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Telling from their last round of cameras it feels like Canon golden years are over.
Almost any other manufacturer is offering more interesting options.
Is me or is this for real ?

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Its you ;-)

Its hard to stay at the top. I think sony still has top market share in non DSLRs. Canon is still near the top though.

In DSLRs canon was so far in front that they were bound to lose market share. The new pentax doesn't have anything that hasn't been there before, but like the canon D300 hits a new price point. The Nikon D80 and D200 do this too. The ideas that oly had with 4/3rds look like they are finally getting built. Sony is pouring money into the old minolta line. There aren't any technologies that canon can't add (sensor based stabilization, live view, weather seals) but they need to trade these off of canabalizing sales of higher priced cameras and/or increasing manufacturing costs.

I expect canon to decided to lose some market share in dslrs in order to keep its profit margin high. In the non-DSLR market, canon has not shown much inovation. We can expect market share erosion, but not to the level that companies like oly experienced.
Zarathustra said:
Telling from their last round of cameras it feels like Canon golden
years are over.
Almost any other manufacturer is offering more interesting options.
Is me or is this for real ?

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Thus spoke Zarathustra, amen.
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...this question pops up almost every time someone other than Canon releases a camera that isn't a cosmetic makeover of an existing one.

But the tech has matured; the days when only Canon could put out a dSLR that got the job done for under a grand are certainly gone. Does it mean Canon is in decline? Perhaps, but it'll take more than one product cycle to be able to declare that.

Petteri
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I hope not but judging from Digic III features
seems there is no serious improvement like increased DR.

Also Face Detection is one of the stupiest things I've ever read.

I suggest in Digic IV "Girlfriend Detection"! Some they really need that feature!

21st century. How to make technology for the dummies?

Constantinos
 
Well....all in all, no I don´t think so. It´s up to Canon...

Look at it this way, consumers think Canon is a more prestige brand than the no-name Pentax and your friends think so too. So people will assume you are a better photographer if you buy a Canon. Canon has been selling well up to this point and many have expensive lenses, so Canon owns a lot of customers. Canon is also more likely to have a better market presence, i.e. shelf space, than Pentax.

Times may change though, but it won´t happen anytime soon. If Canon will be selling flimsy plastic bodies while Pentax will offer high quality bodies for similar prices, Canon will get hurt.

Canon is not competing as strongly as they could. I think they design the grip of the X00D badly so seasoned customers buy the X0D instead, which has better profit margins. So Canon has been competing as they owned the entire market, but now the competition is getting very heavy. D200 has e.g. been Nikon´s most successful dSLR and now Pentax take some share.

Sam
 
hardsuit wrote:
canon has yet to step up their game.
still relying on dust reduction technonlgy, instead of
dust elimination as on their GL-1/2/h1 camcorders.

canon - how bout having a aiaf that really works.
show, us an af lock on subject rather off center.

canon when, manual zoom and focus rings on prosumer.
ps g7 missed oputunity.

gee cannot seem to put a top quality lcd on flagship prosumer.
only 2.5' 207,000 pixels, tisk tisk.
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As a Canon owner and someone who would prefer to buy from Canon (based on past positive experience), they are simply lagging Nikon, Pentax, Sony, Panasonic, etc, from P&S to dSLR. Too bad, but at least the competition is giving attractive options.
 
Petteri Sulonen said:
...this question pops up almost every time someone other than Canon
releases a camera that isn't a cosmetic makeover of an existing one.

But the tech has matured; the days when only Canon could put out a
dSLR that got the job done for under a grand are certainly gone.
Does it mean Canon is in decline? Perhaps, but it'll take more than
one product cycle to be able to declare that.
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The technology does seem to be maturing and Canon does not have any unique competence in electronics. So other vendors are catching up to a substantial degree. But the reality is that Canon is still in a very strong position and very likely to remain the leading DSLR manufacturer in the forseeable future. Canon probably will not dominate in electronics. But it is not likely to fall significantly behind either. So there will be no reason for their large base of committed users to abandon them. Both Sony and Pentax appear to be offering competitive cameras at the low end. But they both have a long way to go in offering a range of lenses that can compete with Canon's. It is also hard to see how anyone else except possibly Nikon is going to build the business case for seriously competing with Canon at the high end.
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Canon is not about to slide into the main pack. I'm a Nikon man, but Canon has been the leader for a while and no doubt will stay there. What you are seeing is the maturing of the DSLR market as well as fierce competition in the point and shoots. As these markets mature Canon will lose market share to other companies,

FOLKS, this is good news !! Competition breeds inovation etc... we want this !! Just because the other companies have some successes doesn't mean Canon is losing anything (except share of course).

David
 
As it was mentioned already - the market is maturing. Canon is sitting on the best sensor technology - but it's sitting too still. Canon owns professional market - and I bet there they can be sitting quiet for couple more years - but professional market is not where money is.

When friend asked me today what DSLR he should buy instead of Canon's digicam I recomended D80 with 18-200 as much better consumer's choice than 400D with a couple of lenses.

Now Leica is in the game with exciting alternative to DSLR - things are moving fast - and Canon released G7 which is as boring as it can be.
They should move - or there will be decline, no doubt...

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linuxworks said:
what will that do? provide a soft focus a-la star trek-1, when it
sees a female face? ;)
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lol! It wasn't only female characters that got the soft focus treatment. Kirk got the treatment, too, when he was about to, ahem, make first contact.

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Zarathustra said:
Telling from their last round of cameras it feels like Canon golden
years are over.
Almost any other manufacturer is offering more interesting options.
Is me or is this for real ?
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My take is that Canon has enjoyed a huge market share lead due in part to their head start in the DSLR market. They've taken over the lead spot in digicams and will continue to enjoy the top spot in DSLR sales for a long time to come. Their market share is bound to decline now that the competition is catching up. Pentax has a nice camera. That means they'll sell a few more than if they didn't have a nice camera. It means more, IMO, that the Sony name is on a DSLR (nice or not) as brand names probably do more for sales than features. Having a good lens lineup helps, and Pentax has a quirky love-it-or-hate-it lineup that's a great fit for niche markets. Prime shooters & entry level shooters can find what they want, but I couldn't find anything in it that appeals to me. I'd still buy a Canon 30D (if buying from scratch) for the high ISO capability and the lens lineup. And that's speaking as a 7D owner who's enjoying the AS feature. Digicams ? Canon all the way ... The A610/620, the S3 IS and the SD 700 IS are my main recommendations and my top choices (I own an A610 and would buy an SD 700 IS if I had it to do over). They may not be interesting, but I think they offer the best set of compromises. The competition all compromises too much in ways which offset their "interestingness". If Fuji ever puts the F10 sensor into a compact with an optical viewfinder and a faster lens, it would be the compact to beat. IS would be icing on the cake.
  • Dennis
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Duh. Learn a little about cameras, history, market share, and reputation before you write drivel like this.
Samuel Pondue said:
prestige brand than the no-name Pentax
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