Leica M firmware 2.0.1.5 released

Sony A7R is just a "gas station"; just compare pictures issued from this A7R and from LEICA M and you will make the difference between a camera and something made for disabled people

quadraticadder:

That's an approach, assuming you owned an M9 to begin with.

But you're confused about how reputable used dealers work on pricing and buying of used items: I suggest you watch a few episodes of "Pawn Stars".

Now if I wanted to sell my hypothetical M9 for $3700 on Ebay, I expect I'd have to wait a while to get the price.

Never trade in our sell used gear to a dealer.
Best,
Steve

quad:

Why if the dealer is offering a good price and cash that day?

Cash/check in hand is a big motivation, and is much better than waiting months to see if something sells and is then paid for on Ebay.

$2000 today is better than possibly having $3700 in few months--unless you're running some kind of Ebay camera store.

Again: I suggest you watch "Pawn Stars".

@richrma

Plastics - well there are plastics and then there are plastics. As your blueray player whirrs at 10k rpm think of plastic.

But - you don't like plastic and you'll be happy to know the a7r has no plastic - it's metal - lovely malleable metal.

And having used it in a variety of professional situations , I'm happy to report no light leaks.

And since I hear the calvary coming: I've used it on and off tripods and never experienced shutter shake.

What I have experienced is incredibly detailed files that I can print 4' wide without effort. Color separation that is immaculate (maybe 10% too much yellow saturation). An almost transparent evf - it's that good - and the ability to fully customize it to my needs and the ability to use almost any lens I want (I guess not symmetrical UFA RFs - call the whaaaa-mbulance.)

As Abe Lincoln said - "The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones". Or was that Winston Churchill - or maybe it was Ghandi...

HBR:
Watch pawn stars all the time. I wouldn't sell them my spit. Camera Stores, Pawn shops try to buy for 1/3 of what they can sell it for. If you sell to them, the cost of the store, employees, handling, mark up for their profit comes out of the seller's pocket. Never do it, unless you are burning for the money or for the trade in on the next camera/thing. Pawn stores stay in business because the sellers either need the money, or don't want to go through the trouble of selling themselves. You persist that is isn't worth the wait or effort to sell on Ebay or other ways. Yours is not the only viewpoint. If you want to, by all means, sell your stuff to the camera stores or Pawn shops. I won't.
Best,
Steve

quad,

Ebay is fine, if you can wait.

My experience with serious gear, is that the resellers offer half of what they can sell it for.

@HowaboutRAW

When you refer to color I think you're referring to corner issues with symmetrical range finder ultra wide lenses. Pretty specific.

I use a variety of lenses including a samyang 14 and a zuiko OM 24 and there are no issues - almost needs no sharpening at all. The Tokina 17mm RMC needs a bit more sharp but the corners are fine (f8 - f11).

The color I'm referring to is regarding the sensor and camera processing. I shoot copy work and have critical color matching needs. Apart from a slight saturation of yellow the a7r is flawless. 7 -10% yellow saturation reduction in ACR and perfect.

Also in terms of dynamic and tonal range it is pretty incredible.

I will cop to a loud shutter. After a while you forget about it.

probert:

The A7r is okay for colour at base ISO, but the Leica is amazing thru ISO 6400, so that's a big difference.

It's a subtly and DR thing, more than saturation, and that's using the Zeiss lenses on the A7r.

@HowaboutRAW

The A7R is not "OK" - it's superb. I only mention saturation because it's the only flaw I can find.

We'll have to agree to disagree. But many would agree that the sensor in the sony is the finest ever made for a FF. And that includes subtlety etc..

My experience bears this out. Objective testing bears this out.

Horses for courses - or something like that.

probert500:

No, the finest sensor ever made is the one from the D3s, and now the D4s. Unless you want to count Foveon sensors.

At lower ISOs the A7r is a good camera. I don't dispute that for a second. But colour is most interesting really down in the ISO hundreds, not in the thousands.

HowaboutRAW

SO we'll agree it's on the podium.

I'm curious s to why color critical images would be shot at ISOs in the thousands. I'd think a tripod and long exposures would be the ticket at that point.

Of course if a noise free image in the thousands is the goal - it can be done but the output is a jpeg - and I'd still use a tripod.