Adobe releases Camera Raw 8.7.1 with Sony a7 II support

MP:

GIMP doesn't have Selective Colour or Vibrance, PhotoShop has both.

GIMP is a raw converter, UFRaw is one that can work with GIMP and UFRaw aint good. At say ISO 100 it's not a disaster, I guess.

I did a quick search and there are many ways to achieve "Vibrance" in Gimp and I've done Selective Colouring in Gimp many times (there are tutorials all over youtube for that).

just one example - vibrance tutorial in Gimp:
http://fy-gimp.tumblr.com/post/49747519909/tutorial-vibrance

MK:

And all of those tricks for Vibrance are misleading.

News to me that one can fake Selective Colour in GIMP. But I'll check the video.

These eHow directions for GIMP and selective colour ARE NOT PhotoShop's Selective Color:

http://www.ehow.com/how_5554983_use-selective-color-gimp.html

Besides PhotoShop, I've only ever seen selective color as a feature in my Minolta film scanners' software. (It is called something different.)

Clearly whoever developed selective colour has a much better understanding of colour than is widely known.

Just type this into youtube: Gimp selective colouring.
You'll get dozens of ways to achieve it.

You can say things like "are misleading," "are not Photoshop," or is "faking it," but if you can achieve the same results with tutorials and plug ins, then what's the difference ?

Michael:

If you can achieve the same results then yes.

But that's not what those vibrance substitutes do whenever I've checked.

I'm not taking about "selective colouring". Selective Colour aint that. (Nor do I dispute that GIMP can selectively colour image areas.)

Selective Colour (as it is called in PhotoShop) is more like being able to manipulate the yellow content of the colour blue. It is a very different understanding of colour.

Show me a tutorial or video of what you are talking about and I will come back and post a tutorial or video of someone achieving the same result in Gimp.

MK,

Unlikely: But I don't rule it out entirely.

You can find the feature in Photoshop and please try to duplicate it.

I'd really like to know how.

HowaboutRAW, I've been reading and keeping up on the debate between you two, and it appears as if you are unable to post a link of a tutorial or video of something that Photoshop can do that Gimp can't.

One question: Why did you ask him to find the feature in Photoshop and try to duplicate it? He uses Gimp.

johnqadams,

Simply a Google search of the term "GIMP selective color" turns up nothing useful.

Now, Michael P, if free to Google search "Photoshop Selective Color" and from there figure out what it does, or find a copy of Photoshop to try.

But be forewarned:

Such links as: http://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-effects/selective-coloring/

Are NOT the selective color feature of Photoshop.

Various other links generated from Google search can mislead too. That is why one has to look at Photoshop.

My example of yellow out of blue, from above, is a good one. I have yet to see that anywhere else but in very good film scanning software. (Careful, I don't want to read claims that there is no yellow in blue.)

It's really quite simple:

Post a url to a tutorial or video of something Photoshop does that Gimp can't.

All your talk of doing google searches about Gimp or doing google searches about Photoshop prove nothing.

You're the one that said Photoshop can do things Gimp can't, so show us the url to the web pages proving that.

Simply give me a url (an http:// page) of things Photoshop does that Gimp doesn't, then we'll go from there.

I could care less about google, show me the webpage of the tutorial or video.

MP,

Found this:

https://fstoppers.com/post-production/selective-color-possibly-best-tool-photographers-7954

The above describes what selective color does in PS CS6. (I'll be pleasantly surprised if GIMP can be tweaked to do this.)

Found with Google, and it's "couldn't care less".

So is Selective Color defined as "to cross blend your individual color channels" as your link to that website suggests ?

John125:

I don’t spend a lot of time looking at the terms Adobe uses to describe the process. Or whatever that particular website said.

I look at the changes, that’s a big reason I suggest actually using selective color in Photoshop before just assuming there must be a way to do the same thing in GIMP. (There indeed may be a way, but I more than suspect that way would involve some extra programing code.)

Or get a Minolta film scanner and find their version of the same effect. You’ll need the Minolta software too. (VueScan won’t do.) You can use the last iteration of the scanner line, so Konica-Minolta too, you’ll need an XP computer or one running Win7 Pro. (Don’t know the last Mac OS that will work.)

To my mind “cross blending” is indeed available in both GIMP and PhotoShop through the Color Balance feature. Selective Color is not the same.

HowaboutRAW,

I must admit, all I can come up with when I search for tutorials about selective coloring are the ones where you produce an image for example where all is black and white and something in the image is colored.

This, I admit, is different from the Selective Coloring you speak of, but the term is so confusing since it was already defined as creating an image where a color is selected in and the other colors are minimized or selected out or toned down to black and white.

This is like you defining an Apple as one thing and me searching for "Apple" to try to find it's other definition. Quite confusing.

For the sake of argument, I will concede that Photoshop will do it and Gimp can't.

I would add though, that with Gimp, things that Photoshop does is quickly added to Gimp. For example, give me credit where I linked that Gimp can do "Vibrance" now.

My final statement is that still I believe Gimp is a powerful retouching tool. It can do the majority of what photoshop can.

Some time ago I asked Julieanne Kost (from Adobe) about this issue (to be able to paint on the graduated/radial filter masks in LR as in ACR) and she answered in his blog that, according to their product policy for Lightroom, they will not introduce any new feature in 5.x releases, so the "paint on mask" is not expected to appear in Lightroom until their next major release (be it 6.0 or just a "CC" version).

To expand on Carl bcd's answer, Adobe has claimed they are treating LR and ACR differently, at least in part to comply with revised US federal revenue recognition rules. Because ACR CC is under subscription it gets new features any time, like the painting on the mask feature, but because LR has a standalone version it can only get new features on a paid upgrade.

Apple referred to the same federal revenue recognition rules some time ago when they charged for certain updates.

grayb:

Yes but ACR was also updated in PhotoShop CS6, that's not subscription.

Bet the limited ACR was also updated in PhotoShop Elements 13 (or whatever the latest PSE is). And PSE is not subscription.