Nokia has shown-off an app including photographic features unlike anything yet available in compact cameras - suggesting camera makers will need to consider apps if they're to remain competitive. The Camera Extras app includes a 'Smart Group Shot' mode that takes five images and chooses the 'best' faces for each of the subjects. It's also possible to manually select which face you want for each of your subject. It's a useful and consumer-friendly feature that helps to underline the challenge that compact camera makers face - competing not just with the convenience and connectivity of smartphones, but also their app-based approach that allows extra features to be offered, separately from the normal model development cycle.
This flexibility, and the increased software development effort that a potentially profitable app market can help to foster, means smartphones risk making conventional compacts look out-of-date almost as soon as they're released. While several camera makers are looking to offer the convenience of improved connectivity, the existence of this kind of feature-adding photo app suggests that they might need to offer app-ready cameras, if they're to really compete with the rise of the smartphone.
Camera Extras was developed by Scalado (a software maker all-but bought-out by the Finnish handset maker last week), which has caught our attention before for its difference-based 'Remove' technology (that sadly hasn't appeared as a standalone app, despite the company recently starting to sell apps to the public). The Smart Group Shot feature appears to be an implementation of the company's 'Rewind' technology, that is also likely to underpin a similar feature RIM has demoed for its forthcoming BB10 operating system.
Most people seem to have not read the article correctly. It clearly states; It's also possible to manually select which face you want for each of your subject. So you don't have to let the camera choose. You can choose. I am a 'single camera' guy. Done my time carting around enough kit, so I really want an 'all in one' deal. For me the phone will never replace my camera. However my camera is not always used for serious photographic work. Sometimes I am simply taking 'record shots' and often I find that I have captured one person in the group blinking. I think that this could be a useful app in many situations. And....yes....you would be surprised how in many instances only the head or facial expression moves. Well done Nokia. A useful and interesting little app. Maybe not for the serious creative photographer, but certainly for us mere mortals.
Optimally it would be a great thing personally to have a camera only model, phones change too quickly anyway. I'd love just the camera as I hardly use phones. I'd love something like this made more compact without the phone guts that can take high quality images that I could carry in a pocket with ease. Dream on ;-)
Nokia could have a camera only line I suppose, likely not their forte'.
Yes you are correct and more especially when you consider Nokia 808 PureView which pretty much blows all viewfinderless cameras out of the water in both useability and image quality together with amazing photo print quality shots which print A3 size prints at 5 MP from the original 38/41 MP by using interpolation and the very advanced Carl Zeiss optics that provide an f2 aperture opening right through the zoom range. Why would one buy an advanced Panny LX5 or similar class camera when the smartphone camera is superior and has apps with it when it gets to LUMIA windows phone 8 Smartphones? Add to that the fact that many cameras of that class can not be operated very well unless you have Asian sized fingers and that counts me out for most small cameras.
I've seen some nice daylight pictures with the 808, but...
F 1/2.4 is not F 1/2.0.
"Asian sized fingers", really?
The Panasonic LX5 and the Canon S95 have optical zooms. You can mount filters on the LX5 and a flash too.
Also I'd like more information on the successes and failures of plastic lenses--the Nokia 808 uses a plastic lens. (It may very well work, but to use plastic in purportedly high quality optics raises the immediate question of other plastic lens examples from Zeiss.)
I do not believe compacts are getting out of date. What about optical zoom ? phone cameras do not have optical zoom. Besides compact cameras will get larger sensors . In other words : They will keep their edge compared to cell phone cameras .There always will be enthusiasts that are prepared to carry some extra weight in order to get better quality. Billions love photography.
One big problem with camera phones ...they are expensive or you have to pay a monthly fee ...my little panasonic p&s doesn't comes with a monthly charge and I don't have to keep it under a two year contract ...and it was under 200 bucks ...most of the camera phones we are talking about are more than the price of an SLR.
I will give you this one ;) What makes you think that other camera phone lenses are not made from Plastic? I would think all phone camera lenses are made from plastic after reading the explanation on how the lens was made
The point is I want to know more about high quality optics done with plastic--I did not assert anything about other cell phone lenses, nor did I assert that plastic is necessarily a bad choice.
I agree with you I would not have known about the benefits of plastic optics before reading the process of making plastic optics and the limitation of glass, very interesting
Thats fine. The good thing about modern cameras is you can turn off all the auto features and be left with manual focus, manual aperture selection, manual ISO selection, manual white balance selection etc etc and have complete control.
sir_bazz: That is exactly what I prefer, I shoot fully manual, to RAW, post-process every image. And about 1/3 of my pictures are focused manually anyway. I take AF as a nice to have feature, but do not depend on it. If the camera had a focusing screen suited for MF like the old models, I would use MF even more.
Isn't Nokia doing its own OS now? Don't think that's Microsoft leaving Nokia behind, unless Microsoft has developed a better version of the PureView idea.
I like how camera makers need phone companies to force them to be innovative.
Honestly, how long did they think they could just keep increasing zoom range, adding in even more silly scene modes that work well less than half the time, and adding in more pixels?
You know what, maybe they don't need innovation since "real" photographers are inspired by the creative aesthetic of making your own work, not automating it, but for other people not on their pretentious high horse all the time, it makes life a lot easier to be able to focus less on getting good pictures to save memories, and focus more on doing the things that make the memories.
Photography isn't just an art; it's a way to remember your life.
One day a major photojournalism prize is going to be won by a chap who held his iPhone over his head and clicked the shutter two dozen times, without knowing what he was shooting; the images were selected by the phone's app and transmitted directly to the picture desk. It'll raise all kinds of issues.
why? because pros don't rely on a little luck as well?
a good picture is a good picture. an iPhone is a tool that gives you a higher chance of being in the right place at the right time. from a business perspective, it makes sense to pay some guy who was there as long as the quality is doable than to pay some pro for some prettied up version of the same thing.
i'm not degrading the work and quality of pros; i'm just saying, an event is an event, a moment is a moment, a company isn't gonna sell less articles just because the highlights could have been better exposed and the DR could have been greater and the composition could have been more creative. big events sell themselves.
@jj74e: "i'm not degrading the work and quality of pros". Sorry - you are. There are people who make a living out of photography. They made a huge investment, not just in gear, but also in acquiring knowledge and skills. Like many professions, photography requires study and often sacrificing one's free time. If, say, someone in a magazine prefers to use a photograph he just downloaded from facebook rather than paying a professional to photograph a particular scene or event, how does that sound to you? If that magazine pays a few bucks to a kid with an iPhone, rather than paying a professional, is it OK for you? Photographers' fees cover all those hours spent studying and honing their skills, and incorporate the knowledge obtained and, of course, the investment in gear. And, if you think the quality of a photo taken by the kid with an iPhone is comparable to that taken by a professional, well... your "business perspective" is a twisted one.
Nothing wrong with that either. And he'll be thankful that he still had a decent camera that day after opting against taking his bulky DSLR kit.
What many people here are failing to realise is that these "tools" aren't meant as a replacement for a DSLR kit but rather an addition to one's photographic tool kit.
VilardeMacedo says "...If, say, someone in a magazine prefers to use a photograph he just downloaded from facebook rather than paying a professional to photograph ... how does that sound to you? If that magazine pays a few bucks to a kid with an iPhone, rather than paying a professional, is it OK for you?"
It sounds perfectly fine to me. Technology has displaced economies and professions for centuries - from Gutenberg's press leaving monks without work (and loosening the grip of the church) to elevators with buttons eliminating the need for elevator operators - to site but two examples.
Why should photography be any different. There is still, to this day, a need for calligraphists (very few) and a need for lift operators in certain circumstances (very few). There will continue to be a need for skilled, dedicated image capturers; but some cases will be better addressed by spontaneous "amateurs" who now have the ability to be in the right place at the right time. Get used to it.
These "apps" are going to change things - perhaps not for professionals who don't use processing - Manual with RAW....
But in reality we have had "aps" for years - Aperture Mode, Automatic Mode, Zone metering - with huge profiles to pull from and all the other auto functions of the camera including flashes and metering all panned by "purists", but they have allowed mere mortals to get better shots.
Anyone who has used any of the panoramic modes, or Multiple exposure HDR has to be impressed - I have spent hours stitching/stacking photo's and still will for my best shots, but in reality for "documentation" or event photo's it is incredible what cameras can do now.
Forcing people to use/need/feel bad about using apps and such is a bit ridiculous, when I am at a tourist spot and see people taking pictures with their phone it seems a bit crazy to me - especially when they are in my way! While you may not like what phones can do today there is NO denying how much they have improved....
Some people here don't have a clue of what professional photography is, and wouldn't recognize a good photograph if it bit them on the leg. Shame. And they seem perfectly happy with mediocrity replacing professional brio, too. Sign of the times...
At the end of the day the person/group that makes it possible for there to be "professionals" are the ones paying the money for the end product - newspapers, magazines, art collectors, etc.
And if they don't feel the need to pay for a "superior" output because the picture on Facebook meets their needs, then guess what - how "good" a photograph might be is irrelevant.
It may still hold huge artistic value and meet all the criteria of what makes a truly great photo, but that doesn't mean someone is willing to pay for it, or needs to pay for it to achieve their objectives.
The quality of an image is not directly proportional to the value and need someone has for that image. In the past there were few economically accessible alternatives for catching a moment in time, and hence it was greatly limited to "professionals". The ubiquitousness of technology has changed that.
You can either accept that or delude yourself that just because something is "superior" it must be the choice.
Of course, HDF2. And some day lawyers will be replaced by smooth-talking wise guys because the latter can do the same job for much less; homeopathists will substitute for physicians because they make people feel better, and architects will be fired because there are so many teenage kids with great drawing skills. "The future's so bright I gotta wear shades".
I get tired of reading about "Professional" cameras and photographers. Theres way too much snobbery. Professional just means you get paid for doing it. So if you get paid for your iPhone photo your a professional. And just because your a professional doesn't mean your any good. Digital photography has made life more difficult for the "Professional" but hard cheese. Lifes tough these days for all professions. So either live with it or get another job.
Manuel, just to site one example - lawyers. They too are being replaced in droves by technology. There are many activities that have traditionally been the domain of the legal profession which is now more effectively (and cheaply) carried out by technology.
Not everything lawyers do is replaceable and there will always be activities that well trained lawyers will be best placed to carry out. But for all the other stuff, those expensive law degrees of recent grads may prove more difficult to get a good return on investment.
It's no different for photographers who have invested in equipment. Some types of work (eg. portraits) are likely to remain mostly in "professional" hands, but photojournalism is probably on shakier ground given the purpose of those types of images.
You know, the NYT probably doesn't care much if an image has a bit of noise or moire if it captures the exact moment of the event.
You know, one day you'll grow up and see what the world really is like. For now it's alright to go on writing misinformed opinions. That's part of the growing process. Hopefully you'll become a discerning person in a couple of years. Or not.
Manuel, you seem to consider yourself an expert. I accept your superiority. Please elucidate for those of us less fortunate.
You can start by showing me where any of my comments are mis-informed or juvenile in their logic or exposition. Be specific.
You indirectly admit that entities previously using "pros" now also use sources that you consider inferior. Seems your opinion does not hold much sway with these sources, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
The fact is that the more people are able to capture images of their surroundings in cheap, easy and relatively good quality (not professional level, but usable for the purposes required) the more certain types of professionals are going to lose business.
There will always be work for the Leibowitz's of the world or even good wedding photog, just not as much. That's the grown up world you seem to be ignoring.
You may not like the fact that the livelihood of some pros is threatened, but that's life. Get over it.
You misinterpreted what I wrote completely. Besides, this exchange of viewpoints has transcended photography and came to the politics and society arena. I understand you're spanish. I'm portuguese. Both our countries are suffering the pressure of speculation that will lead Spain into a financial crisis (Portugal has already got there). I find it hard to believe there are still people who find this system to be any good for the people. We're induced to buy, buy and buy - only to make stockholders and speculators even richer. Some may conform to it - I don't. Where you see innocuous apps, I see a manifestation of this consumerism that is leading towards an unfair, unequal society. And I'm not a professional photographer. I'm a lawyer who happens to have a passion for photography and knows many professional photographers. If life's hard for me, it's even harder for them. And I'm aware of copyright issues, too - and I don't like it when people applaud its systematic infringement. Vale? :)
The thing about many non-professional photographers is that they are often willing to give away their image or sell it cheap and let others profit from it.
Why is it that they don't understand the value of a photograph as much as the customer (and professional photographer) does? In this way they undermine the profession.
I do not feel any pressure at all. I can easily do without this app stuff. I do not even use my Iphone or HTC one X for photography anymore. Not good enough for me. And i do not even consider myself to be very demanding with respect to image quality.
We need an camera app that will just make up the picture of our ideal friends in an ideal world with lots of sunshine, rainbows, and unicorns. It doesn't need to actually take a picture at all, just render some crud for us that is 'perfect'.
Now, if only someone would invent a camera that would remove distracting elements, perfectly balance exposure without ever needing filters or flash, pose the subjects, use acceptable composition strategies, not only look for missed expressions but also determine when a smile is "fake", then we wouldn't have to do anything at all!
Honestly, if you're investing in a camera, just learn to use the freak'n thing. Why you'd want a piece of software telling YOU whats best in YOUR images is beyond me. Why are you even taking photos if you can't retake it if it's crap? Seems simple enough.
Its amazing what mobile phones can do these days with the help of different apps. Its also a bit surprising that people are still interested in investing on professional mobile phones in spite of the features available on mobile cameras today. Cameras on mobile phones are definitely a big time threat to stand alone cameras thanks to apps such as the one mentioned above.
> Name a phone camera with a sensor the size of the sensor in the Canon S95?
Nokia 808 pureview - it has 1.2" sensor! -- Name a P&S camera having such sensor, 41Mpix with the flexibility to bin them for low noise and/or good dynamic range...
It's a big mistake to imply that raw is limited to dslrs.
Zograf:
Happily, I was wrong about the sensor size in the Nokia 808--it is pro pocket camera sized. Any serious user is still going to want all of the data from the 808, and the software to process that data.
Photographers don't seriously use cameraphones, and this is understandable. Cameraphones are primarily used by non-photographers who are primarily interested in social networking, and this is fine, and perfectly understandable.
There is really no point in knocking Nokia, or any other phone manufacturer come to it, for pandering to this market with ever increasingly versatile phones.
@guyfawkes: You say that but.... OK I may not be a 'photographer' by your definition, but actually if I take out my 5D with the 70-300mm and need an (unexpected) wide-angle view I'm often glad of my Nokia N8. In good light the resolution (and depth of field!) is fantastic......
According to some news I read on a rumour site, Motorola is beta-testing some apps that detect facial expressions in order to exclude faces from the framing. The "Diarrhea" app, which turns the camera off whenever someone who is about to be photographed is having a sudden urge, is expected to be launched soon. Also, they're studying an app to discharge a whiff of Calvin Klein cologne when body odour is detected. It's called "Fart & Sweat". Finally, rumour has it that Siemens has filed a patent of an app that detects expressions of extreme grief and anguish and turns the image of the subject in a sepia portrait of his/her favourite philosopher: there will be the "Kierkegaard" and "Schopenhauer" modes, which turn on automatically when expressions of despair are detected and, for the existentialists, the "Heidegger" and "Sartre" modes, which are triggered when, in addition to anguish, traces of doubt are detected on the subject's face. Casio is said to have shown interest in these apps.
computer (internet) won't allow me to like your comment, understand i'm not a comment liking sort of a person, so maybe the machines are just being helpful, but anyway, you said what i wanted to say about commanders from armies of despotic (robot?) regimes shovelling bodies into open graves correct pathos recognition mode, but in a much lighter way, thanks, i'm off to buy stuff for the faraday cage my non-technical girlfriend has asked me to build and to disconnect the mains supply.
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As much as innovative an invention it is, or as"smart" as this app says it is, I won't let any AI algorithm disturb what my sense of beauty tells me.
I am the photographer. I decide what's beautiful and what's not. I decide which shot to use. I decide which photo is good and which one is bad, NOT MY CAMERA.
I'd hate to say this but apps like this just contribute to making people stupider.
If having your camera pick the shot where everyone has their eyes open steps on your toes as a creative individual, feel free to turn the feature off. :)
You take pictures as a form of artistic expression and want to control all aspects of that proess - makes sense.
However, most people for whom this app is targeted are trying to capture a simple moment in time with friends and family and don't really care much other than to have an image of a particular memory that they can print 4x6 or post on a blog/Facebook.
You don't need it, fine. Others for whom this is targeted will find it a welcome tool with which to ensure they capture the moment they really want to remember.
Still you have to move around and do the framing. So the app is a bit of a disappointment. Fortunately, Sony offers help with "Party-shot Automatic Photographer":
You clearly don't understand the concept, the context and the target market and just saw the opportunity to spill out some empty stereotypes about photography.
Honestly, if an app that corrects faces for you threatens you and makes you feel insecure about your establishment as a photographer, you must not be a very good one.
Convenience is not the same as killing intelligence. If you came down from your photo-throne once in awhile, you would find- GASP- people who take photos just for fun or just to save the memory. Even pros aren't on their pro-mindset all the time. Saving editing/re-taking photo time means more time to make the memories that make life special
But, in defense of the OC (original commenter? lol), actually, stupider IS a word. But that's the only defense he gets.
I am sorry, I can't possibly be the only one who's getting a spinning head by this kind of horsesh**.
Taking photos is something you do in spare time, for your enjoyment. Who in their right mind could possibly enjoy beeing robbed of 90% of the entire process?
Manufactorers act as they're bringing relief to the *chore* that is "mainstream photography". If its such a tedious process of taking a picture, why would you bother in the first place? Because its a social norm to take pictures of shiny happy people in the grass? Come on >_<
Why not take this further and invent something like an automated tennis rack for the hobbyist? It would play 10 times as good as the newbie consumer who cant even get a stupid portrait straight (see what I did there?) and guess what, you wouldnt even have to play on your own anymore! Pffff, stupid hobbies, wasting all your precious time.
Oh, and also make an article on the frontpage of some big website so that people can go apeshit crazy about it >___<
Q: "Who in their right mind could possibly enjoy beeing robbed of 90% of the entire process?" A: Idiots. That's who these things are for. Bravo for the irony, bearseamen.
I'm sure you believe in-camera cropping and on-screen guide lines are also horsesh**?
This is just add-on to make capturing nice moments easier. Instead of taking several shots and asking people to wait and pose for a couple of more pictures, you have the option to combine the best expressions on the spot. Quicker and easier.
Why act like it is a a feature on a Nikon D4 that you can't turn off?
Why is this an argument? "They" are not removing serious camera's when they make these "convenience devices". Every wedding that cares enough (generally) of course will hire a professional photographer as well as put out Kodak box camera's -or be disspointed......
If you "purists" out there want the good old days use film - and then you won't be on this bulletin board - what I would like would be tips on how to get the best out of ANY medium that I am stuck with at the time - I am not bringing my 5D, lenses, flashes and light kit when going out to dinner with friends - no I have not tried it ;)
"the day is near.. not .. use .. brains"???? What is that? I must say when I use my IPhone to take pictures - sometimes in HDR mode - I always get comments that my pictures look good (for what they are) as I can change the exposure level, focus point as well as pick the best lighting, angle and arrangement - not my proudest moment, but they do make some great shots...
What Next?????!!!!!! Why bother? The day is near when we will not need to use our creative brains, can nobody see this coming? What happened to the days when we took pride it the photos we captured?
I really feel this is killing creativity and I hope others feel the same.
Of course this will happen, but it may take another couple of OS before advanced camera features are consistently available to third party developers. Before then we'll have a few models with custom apps provided by the manufacturer (Nokia is in the lead for this, it seems.) In the long run, Samsung and Sony look to be in the best position as making a decent smartphone is much easier than making a good small camera. Nokia may manage, but they'd better hope Windows 8 is amazing. It looks promising to me, but I'm not a big Apple fan and Android's many imperfections bug me daily, so I'm open to a new phone OS.
Well done, Nokia!!! Cannot wait for the next step: millions pictures preloaded, complete with gps cohordinates. A single (virtual) click on the touch screen, the camera sorts out for you the best picture for your gps position and you will feel as happy as you'd taken that picture yourself.
Why is it "Nokia app" does this? How about the bajillion iPhone apps that already have been putting this pressure for several YEARS now?
Give me a break, DPReview, this is just poor reporting. Is Nokia paying you?
Seriously.
It's about time that camera makers open-source their firmwares or at least create an API for developers to run apps on the cameras. I'm so sick and tired of the terrible camera interfaces that Japanese makers come up with. Please just give me an OM-D or 5D Mk III body with a slot for my iPhone instead of the annoying Japanese interface..
There's a total of seven news stories here at DPR that are tagged with the word "app". Of those seven, one of those are for Nokia and the other six are for the iPhone.
Just one use case that I had recently: Overlay an image on top of live view. In the end I had to revert to my Android phone with an app called Camera ZOOM FX and its Composite effect. Of course there are firmware hacks, e.g. for Canon cameras, that add features, but these hacks are comparatively primitive.
Polaroid announced an Android powered camera earlier this year:
Canon's Remote Capture can do this, I use it quite often when I want to copy the setup of a previous pack shot. But having it on the camera could be handy too.
The difficult thing is drawing the line between silly toys (adding flowery borders) and genuinely useful (picking the best faces for a group shot - if it's seamless enough). And of course my 'toy' is another person's must-have feature.
Apps could be nice. I guess Canon/Nikon/Sony etc are to slow to add such a feature very soon. It must had been Nokia/Apple/Google or something like that. A Google mirrorless system camera would maybe be interesting, skip the phone. Or make a camera with basic mobile phone features, not as we got it today the oposit (primary phone, and a basic camera).
But face detection or this "happy face detection" is useless for me who shoot primary landscape. Also I won't smile on demand :)
OK, slight disclaimer, the following could be seen as trolling, but I really do think a lot of people are rather idiotic about such things....
More likely the Canon strategists think "some of our stupider customers will think that our cameras are somehow less professional if we choose to add apps, and these people are likely to be disproportionately vocal on internet forums, so even though apps could usefully enhance the product we'll let someone else do it first".
I loved my nokia 5800 till it started to get stucked by ram, OS, what ever.. It´s better phone that my actual Iphone 4. Better signal. The day nokia provide reliable cellphones, I'll get back them.
camera-phone...I always carry one in the glove box of my car-boat...love to use my camera-phone in full auto mode when my car-boat is running on auto-pilot.
Great. People will now pay $700 for cellphone photos and replace them every two years. Custom firmware I like but I wish editing is still done on computer/iPad
I just upgraded from an iphone 4s to a nokia lumia 900, and can't believe how much better it does everything, nokia just had the wrong operating system on their phones, and with windows phone 8 about ready, it's only gonna get better.
It's true that the Lumia 900 won't get WinPhone8, but it will get most, if not all, of the same features in a 7.8 upgrade. The difference is that WinPhone8 requires a different chipset which is why it won't work on the current Lumia phones.
So, while it's true that current Lumia users won't get WinPhone8, the conclusion that Lumia users are going to be abandoned just isn't accurate.
You can see you know all about pixels in your pixilated world, the fact is there is no competitor near close to Nokia when it comes to cameras in phones
Nokia is for old people? because the young people are sheep who follow the mass of uninformed followers. Good thing we are not all hipsters who eats up everything Apple and Copy Master Samsung feeds us.
Sorry I fell asleep at the keyboard. Maybe they can release a camera that doesn't need human intervention at all. It takes the photos when it wants or sees fit.
The dumbing down of everything we do! Can't be bothered learning a skill, hey we have the app for you.
I really don't want to alter reality that much, in the same way as I dislike photoshop making models look even thinner. Which head do you want to stick on the body ?? Ugh !
I see your point, but is freezing a micro-instant in time actual reality either?
The reality is we don't see the middle person half blinking when we take the photo, we see all three smiling at the camera saying cheese. So maybe think of it more as 'long exposure' to capture what we see with our own eyes, ie instead of being the best over 1/250th second in time, it would be the best over 1 or 2 seconds in time which would be more realistic in terms of matching what we actually see.
I have no real problems with this technique. Taking a rapid series of images and make a photo sounds perfectly fine to me. What concerns me is that it is hard to make it high quality. Things move and areas are obscured. There will be borders where data have to be made up. Maybe its not Hi Fi photography, as so many other fun stuff.
The Nokia 808 does shoot in Raw with 41 MP and Carl Zeiss optics I'm sure Samsung will copy this on your phone with Samsung optics ;) But hey if you listen to Apple, then the only camera you will ever need is an iPhone
Searching the internets I see no raw shooting capacity for the Nokia 808, got a link with samples?
There's the depth of field problem.
The PureView 5MP out of 41 trick does seem promising--particularly in daylight.
Perhaps Sony/Nikon will adapt this for the sensors in the D3200, Nex 5n and the D800, and improve things like shooting at ISO 6400.
I wonder does this PureView technology process raw data, or is that jpeg data?
Samsung is unlikely to make the mistake of pixel cramming in their phones--they already make the world's most popular smart phones.
Anyone who'd claim that the iPhone is the only camera one needs, would likely claim that it's not important to check engine oil quality and quantity in an automobile--the sensors can do it.
I guess Nokia could always add the raw feature and then sell this PureView software as an application for PCs and Macs, then Nokia's 808 camera phone may get some respect from those who care about a picture's qualities.
Samsung is a South Korean company, also many in the south would like a reunited Korea, but one that is open to the world, not ruled by a family dynasty of dictators with a government enforced cult of personality. (Also North Korea is a country, not in need of reuniting--that's another problem with your languange.)
You really need to attempt to present yourself to the world as less ignorant.
It's not fan fiction to say that Samsung makes the most popular "smart" phones in the world.
You clearly haven't bothered to look at the high end Samsung TVs.
Nor have you looked at the colour changes in your engine oil.
Now why would you want someone who'd challenge your "authority" sent to live in a closed dictatorship? Isn't that the inclination of those who hold a less than secure footing in facts. And in fact very like dictators the world over?
That link does not mention the Nokia 808, camera or phone. The link does talk about something called the N900.
Next problem with this purported "proof", this linked webpage mentions raw, but then goes into how this N900 shoots HDR. HDR is not the same as RAW, though HDR can be done to raw files. (Albeit whatever the file type used for HDR there'd be the limitation that the scene would need to be still.)
Some other problems with this "proof", from Wikipedia, the N900 was released in 2008, so is not somehow the same as the N808.
Then of course this 2010 FCamera software is not likely to tweak the N808 to shoot raw. (That some future variation of this FCamera software may be released to allow the N808 to shoot raw in the is certainly possible.)
So getting the terms "Nokia" and "raw" on the same webpage does not mean that the N808 shoots raw.
Last, and simply put, your "proof" is wrong. And the Nokia 808 does not record raw data. Too bad.
You've been proven wrong about the raw shooting capacity of the Nokia 808. You seem confused by what you've claimed and also what you've read. Try putting in more effort at apprehension.
Not claiming that Zeiss lens[es] are plastic just that the Zeiss lens in this phone is plastic. Both the interview I read with the Zeiss designer of this lens and the pictures of the lens cut with a saw back me up.
I think that hits the nail on the head. Today's cameras are very powerful computers that could run apps easily. I always said there should be some basic script language available, but of course having access to the hardware through an app would be much better. I doubt camera manufacturers will go that way. In theory it's great, but it's a nightmare to support from a manufacturer's point of view. Every camera has different features and hardware.
Everything has a time. It took camera phones and tablets. Long past when cameras should have been programmable. Even earlier Olympus cameras (SP-320) had an amazing range of post-exposure processing you could do to an image (Now ... upload that), but that tack seems to have been dropped as software programs like Photoshop Elements prevailed. Now, we can go BACK to the FUTURE.
Yeah revolutionary! I mean, us photographers can't choose what image we like. Thanks Nokia - you guys rock. Cmon DPreview... do you really think this means other manufacturers need to "smarten up"? Geez.
The Leica M11 brings a 60MP BSI CMOS sensor, USB charging and auto-magnifying, stabilized live view to the classic rangefinder form. We dig into the detail...
The Nikon Z 24-70mm F2.8 S is an all-rounder fast zoom for Nikon's mirrorless system. With a versatile focal length range and a fast aperture for low light photography and blurry backgrounds, this lens promises sharp imagery and smooth bokeh with minimal aberrations. How does it actually perform? Find out in our full review.
If you're looking to speed up your editing workflow, few pieces of hardware can make complex masking, brushing and cloning jobs easier than a digital pen. We look at Xencelabs' latest offering, the Pen Tablet Small.
The Great Joy 60mm T2.9 offers full-frame users an affordable option for 1.33x anamorphic shooting, while the 1.35x adapter can squeeze that to 1.8x, or turn your regular spherical lenses anamorphic for an even more budget-friendly solution.
Apple's flagship M1 Max MacBook Pro offers a combination of performance, efficiency, build quality, and screen quality that you cannot find in any PC on the market, full stop.
What's the best camera for shooting landscapes? High resolution, weather-sealed bodies and wide dynamic range are all important. In this buying guide we've rounded-up several great cameras for shooting landscapes, and recommended the best.
What’s the best camera for around $2000? These capable cameras should be solid and well-built, have both speed and focus for capturing fast action and offer professional-level image quality. In this buying guide we’ve rounded up all the current interchangeable lens cameras costing around $2000 and recommended the best.
Most modern cameras will shoot video to one degree or another, but these are the ones we’d look at if you plan to shoot some video alongside your photos. We’ve chosen cameras that can take great photos and make it easy to get great looking video, rather than being the ones you’d choose as a committed videographer.
Although a lot of people only upload images to Instagram from their smartphones, the app is much more than just a mobile photography platform. In this guide we've chosen a selection of cameras that make it easy to shoot compelling lifestyle images, ideal for sharing on social media.
NASA's James Webb Space Telescope has been decades in the making. The ambitious telescope launched from French Guiana aboard an Ariane 5 rocket on Christmas morning, and about a month later, it has entered its final orbital position 1.5 million kilometers from Earth.
The new series of magnetic clip-on ND filters are designed to solve X pattern cross-polarisation and add to your ND effects. Revoring also expands to include a circular polarizer as well as metal front and back caps.
This month marks the 10th anniversary of Fujifilm's X-mount camera system. To celebrate, Chris takes a new look at the system's first camera, the Fujifilm X-Pro1, and discovers that it holds up quite well a decade later.
Digi Swap is a new gadget that attaches an iPhone to the back of a film camera, letting you shoot digital photos through an analog camera. It will be fully unveiled at the upcoming CP+ show in Japan.
Ricoh has announced the details of its new Theta X 360-degree camera, revealing a device that's more standalone than any of its Theta predecessors thanks to a built-in touchscreen, an interchangeable battery and a Micro SD card slot.
BCN Retail (BCN+R) announced the BCN Awards winners, showing how the Japanese camera market shaped up in 2021. The summary shows that Canon and Sony continue to perform well. Are there any surprises in the data?
After introducing a way to look at compositional elements, nature photographer Erez Marom suggests a way of balancing these elements to enable the creation of a better composed landscape image.
When DJI released the Mavic 3 series, quite a few key features were missing. The latest firmware update gives users the ability to capture panoramic shots and digitally zoom in on subjects when recording regular video — among many other upgrades.
The 500mm F8 lens is fully manual and features the signature 'donut-shaped' bokeh reflex lenses are known to produce due to their unique design. The lens is available with mount options for Canon EF, Fujifilm X, Micro Four Thirds, Nikon F, Nikon Z and Sony E mount camera systems.
The winners and finalists for the 10th annual Ocean Art Underwater competition have been announced. This gallery showcases the best imagery from thousands of entries from more than 80 countries.
Is there something special about the depth-of-field offered by medium format? Chris and Jordan look closely at the effect of format size on depth-of-field to find out.
In anticipation of the National Football League's Pro Bowl 2022, drone pilot Johnny FPV and the NFL recently collaborated on a video clip that takes you on a whirlwind trip through the Las Vegas strip.
Hubble has observed a black hole at the center of a dwarf galaxy that is fueling the creation of new stars rather than destroying or preventing their formation. The black hole may hold the key to understanding the origin of black holes in the early Universe.
In a statement shared on Ricoh Imaging Co's website, company President Noboru Akahane said the company is looking to 'renew its manufacturing and sales structure in Japan on April 1, 2022' and will connect 'with customers using "digital" methods and "studio-style" manufacturing.'
In his latest essay on 35mmc, film photographer Matthew Wright breaks down whether or not it's worth it to bulk-load and self-develop rolls of cinema film for 35mm stills shooting in the midst of rising film stock prices and supply chain constraints.
Meta, the company that owns Facebook and Instagram, is looking at ways to allow its users to create and sell NFTs on its platforms. No timeline is clear for when Meta would plan to implement the support on Facebook and Instagram, but it seems it's only a matter of time.
Vision Research has announced the Phantom S991 high-speed camera. While not its fastest camera, the S991 offers a unique blend of speed and resolution thanks to a new and improved fiber cable technology.
In this photo gallery we're taking a visual tour of the M11, and comparing it against two classic M-mount rangefinders, the M4-P from the 1980s, and the M7 – Leica's first true electronic multi-mode rangefinder, from the early 2000s.
After reports Canon was going to partially shutter its Zhuhai factory, DPReview has confirmed with Canon Inc. that it will shut down its Zhuhai factory in south China, which is responsible for the production of compact cameras and some video equipment.
Jordan from DPReview TV was pretty stoked to learn about the EOS R5C, a Cinema EOS motion picture camera and an EOS R5 stills camera all in one. Find out what he thinks of this new hybrid model based on what we know so far.
The Canon EOS R5C looks a lot like an EOS R5 with a fan mounted on the back. Its greatest weakness stems from the degree to which this is true but so, perhaps, does its greatest strength.
Canon has announced the EOS R5C, the newest member of both its EOS line of still cameras and its Cinema EOS motion picture system. It effectively combines an EOS R5 mirrorless camera with a pro-level Cinema EOS camera, all in a single body, and provides use case-specific operation right down to the menu system.
Nikon has officially announced the Z 400mm F2.8 TC VR S – a professional telephoto prime lens for the mirrorless Z mount. Click through for more information.
Sunshine, showers, fog and a civil rights march - it must be January in Seattle. Since it was launched last week we've been out and about with the Leica M11, and we've prepared a gallery of samples from our pre-production camera. Click through to check them out.
Capture One has announced that it is no longer selling brand-specific versions of Capture One. The company has also revealed plans to offer existing customers the latest version of Capture One Pro.
Sony and the World Photography Organization have announced the shortlist for their Student & Youth awards. We've rounded up some of the shortlisted photos into a gallery.
Japanese photo site Digital Camera Life (DC Life) has discovered the sensor inside Sony's flagship a1 camera is the IMX610, a full-frame backside-illuminated sensor that appears to be exclusive to Sony.
What took 12 hours of training two years ago can now be achieved using a single off-the-shelf NVIDIA RTX GPU in roughly five seconds. NVIDIA researchers have demonstrated near-instant training of neural graphics primitives using an adaptable multiresolution hash encoding method.
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