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Panasonic Lumix DMC-CM1 real-world sample gallery posted

Published Apr 24, 2015 | dpreview staff

Panasonic's Lumix CM1 has the potential to break new ground in the territory between smartphones and cameras. It offers a 1-inch 20MP sensor, much larger than the typical smartphone camera chip. It also provides an F2.8 Leica-branded lens encircled by a control ring that can be used to adjust various exposure settings. Rounding out the package are Raw capture and 4K video recording. We got out and about with it to see what its images look like.

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brownie314

I want to like this phone/camera. But with wireless transfer being so easy, I can have a much more capable camera, even a small one like the RX100 and have a much more capable system.

May 23, 2015permalink

LaFonte

The images look pretty good but I fear it would have the same effect on me like the lumia.
Looks tempting on the paper but when thinking about buying it I would rather buy a RX100 for half of the money and just keep my $0 smartphone for the smartphone stuff, like calling, texting and...taking pics that no-one is going to see anyway.

May 6, 2015*permalink

micsmics

Thick and heavy bricks.
Not for the pocket.
The best form factor - L1020.
To this we must aspire. )

May 4, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

It's that "one inch" sensor thing that has so much appeal.

And that Win phone, even though it shoots raw, doesn't have a huge sensor.

May 5, 2015permalink

nerd2

Too little, too expensive and too late. Modern phones are very good for daylight shooting, and 1" sensor with f2.8 sensor are far away from large sensored mirrorless territory either.

Apr 28, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

It's real impressive that this smartphone can shoot easily at ISO 3200 in raw.

A faster lens, as you know, would make it more expensive+heavier.

Apr 30, 2015permalink

teddoman

A lot of photographers prefer to shoot in daytime with a sensor much larger than 1/3". That's who this camera phone targets.

Apr 30, 2015permalink

blazer003

A 1" sensor is far and away larger than any other phone. Current smartphones are great for snapshot photography, and certainly even professional photography with the right phone in the right situation, but this is on the next level. Not for everybody, but I'm convinced and will be buying one to add to my arsenal.

May 4, 2015permalink

nerd2

Now the latest smartphones have 1/2.6" sensor paired with f1.8~1.9 optics. That's roughly ONE stop slower than 1" sensor with f2.8 optics. That's not that big gap as you may think.

And from mainstream mirrorless viewpoint, 1" f2.8 is equivalent to f7.2 in FF and f4.8 in APS. Not very promising for hardcore shooters.

Finally check the price. The rest part of the phone is equivalent to $300 smartphone, so you are paying $500-600 premium for the camera, which is way worse than say, RX100.

May 5, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

N2:

"worse" than a RX100 in what sense? Slower?

Few smartphones shoot to raw.

No, this Panasonic doesn't have shallow DoF.

It's a big deal that the CM1 can easily shoot at ISO 3200--in raw of course. Up until now it's been Windows phones, a couple, for higher ISOs.

For many purposes a $600 laptop is a perfectly adequate computer, except for the Win 8 problem, and the same is true for a $300 smartphone.

May 5, 2015*permalink

DStudio

As an owner of the Samsung Galaxy Camera, I can tell you that these devices have huge potential, much of which may never materialize. While Panasonic may decide to provide better/more Android updates than Samsung, third-party app support can be a problem. Unfortunately, virtually all the potential power lies in these third-party apps. And if you develop your own apps, the time and costs will likely be too high.

For example, it may have all the power needed to stream live video, but even the most popular streaming apps may not support it. Or they may support it without the use of zoom. Or they are buggy on it, while they run OK on more common, "standard" phones. Or they may later abandon support because the non-standard pieces are too difficult to deal with, and the market is too small.

In the end an iPhone can be better in many cases. Even if it has inferior optical capabilities, it has a narrow, well-defined, popular hardware platform.

Apr 27, 2015permalink

SmilerGrogan

Beautiful images from the DPR team!!!

I would have to get into it further, but I think this camera is perfect for people like me who need to post high-quality images to social media outlets during events and conferences where wi-fi is either non-existent or prohibitively expensive (such as at big business hotels where it can be a few hundred dollars a day for high-speed access).

For instance, I was shooting an event last week and the client wanted me to post photos to Facebook right then but no wi-fi for miles. So I put away my D810, f/1.4 lenses and speedlights and shot with my iPhone. She was overjoyed with the results because I was able to post a small gallery on Facebook via LTE within a couple of minutes.

So before you get too critical of this camera, remember that a lot of people make their living doing social media and this seems like a great tool for those people.

Apr 27, 2015*permalink

datiswous

Why not use a WT-5 and your iPhone as a wifi hotspot?

Apr 30, 2015permalink

supeyugin1

Why don't you take G4 enabled camera with you, like Samsung Galaxy NX, or Wifi enabled camera + use your cell as a hotspot?

May 6, 2015permalink

azlover

These pictures look great. I hope that Apple continues to concentrate on imaging and maybe even release a more photo-centric iPhone in the future. I would not mind an iPhone model with a baby bump that houses a better camera/lens/sensor.

Apr 26, 2015*permalink

PhotoRotterdam

Thanks for these real life shooting galleries, those are the most worthwhile when looking at new cameras.

This camera has a very nervous out of focus rendition on the pictures, at least, to my eyes or taste. The high ISO pictures are very noisy, but it is not a very unpleasant noise. Rather photographic kind of noise, which makes it palatable.

Apr 26, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

where are you getting raws?

Apr 27, 2015permalink

Iuri Cezar

I would like to see another approaching ... like a LX200, a GH5 or a FZ2000 making/receiving calls !

Apr 25, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

Bet the Samsung Galaxy NX can work as a phone over a VoIP service.

The GH5 would need a much bigger screen than the current GH4. And you can't slip the GH4 (or the Samsung) into a pocket.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Graham Austin

if my Ricoh GR made calls I would be VERY happy

Apr 30, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

That Ricoh GR would need a bigger rear screen to work well as a smartphone.

But a decent suggestion.

Apr 30, 2015permalink

supeyugin1

Not very long ago, smartphones had a less than 3" screen. My first smartphone had a 2.8" screen, and I was happy.

May 6, 2015permalink

G1Houston

With the current cell phone policy that we can only have one device activated at a time, the vast majority of the people will shop for a good all around PHONE first. So this CAMERA/phone has to compete with top
of the line iPhone or Android phones that have a reasonably goo camera. How well does it make calls?

Apr 25, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

Exactly zero iPhones shoot raw, and big sensors have mostly been a Windows phone thing. Raw is just starting to come to Android phones.

The iPhone was bad as a phone for years, that's for several model iterations, and in the USA the fault was not simply with the weak AT+T network, the carrier used exclusively in the US by the iPhone for years, it was the phone hardware.

iPhones also don't have mSD card slots.

Apr 25, 2015*permalink

Adrian Van

All good with sensor and image IQ except the price.

However expect the price to drop (to more reasonable rate) within a year as more competitors develop similar offering. My guess.

Apr 25, 2015*permalink

George1958

Impressive technology, not something I would consider using myself, I enjoy using a camera as much as I enjoy taking photos. I struggle to believe that a camera phone would give me the same quality end user experience even if the IQ was very good.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Joe Ogiba

APS-C smartphone :
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7641/17078756579_b1626efec9_b.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7657/17078756529_e33652c25d_o.png

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8578/16114141495_619fe19449_o.jpg

Apr 25, 2015permalink

neo_nights

I'm looking for the smartphone on the last picture but I can't find it!
=/

Apr 25, 2015permalink

GodSpeaks

Are you serious, or just taking a pi$$?

Apr 26, 2015permalink

Igor Adamovic

This might be a great solution for us tired from tugging a camera with us all the time, and to avoid getting strange looks from people for the same reason :D But price :S

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Ben O Connor

So expensive for a "telephone" , very much sacrificed for smilar sensor sized "camera".

Well, that happens whenever you want to combine your fish boat with a navy nuclear submarine!!!!! :D

Nokia has the best ;)

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Vino Mishali

its quite good love it

Apr 25, 2015permalink

(unknown member)

Great low iso samples for a point & shoot.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Mike FL

This is not a ping hole size lens as seem from others.

But, does DMC-CM1 ever come with lens cap any kind? Auto? clip on...?

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Hugo808

What no OVF? Count me out...

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Joe Ogiba

OVF on a mirrorless ? Really ?

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Hugo808

It was just a little joke on the sort of comments you get here pretty regularly. It doesn't matter what some company or other has achieved, somebody will wish it had/did/was something else...

Apr 25, 2015permalink

cinemascope

Ooops

Apr 26, 2015*permalink

aris14

Αt the bdsm (before developing social media) times we all wanted small cellphones.
Then came the smartphones and we all got some plates to serve coffee with which we can make a phone call.
Phones had a decent camera 3 to 5 Mp and then up to 8 Mp quite capable for an sm post, allowing an acceptable A4 print even for mags.
It seems they follow the same curve as ultra compacts some 5-5 years ago with a tiny sensor and a zillion Mps.
There is no reason to have zillion Mps for sm nor bigger sensors. There is no need for that except for companies marketeers just for selling phones. Nothing but with that if their phones were good enough to last 2 days heavy use.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

ThatCamFan

You could of found a better term than BDSM surely?

Apr 25, 2015permalink

neo_nights

BDSM for Before Developing Social Media goes as good as M_I_L_F for Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Format.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

GodSpeaks

Personally, I am in favor of MILF :-P

Apr 26, 2015permalink

cinemascope

So we're dealing with an EVIL BDSM MILF? The plot thickens...

Apr 26, 2015permalink

aris14

Bdsm is just fine... M_I_L_F is great... EVIL too...
Thx for the input. Smartphones is rather a boring subject...!

Apr 27, 2015*permalink

neo_nights

@cinesmascope - Now, THAT'S some hardcore s**t!!!

Apr 27, 2015permalink

Adrian Van

More like a 1 inch sensor pocket camera (very thin) which just happens to have a phone in it. Photos do look great in samples. Not like iphone's noisy high iso images in dim light (my wife has iphone5).

Amazing price (unlocked phone) for the priviledge of owning one shown on Amazon link.

Apr 25, 2015*permalink

(unknown member)

The images look like there's a decent sensor in it, but the lens only looks ok.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Serious Sam

For that kind of money, a QX100 plus an iphone 6 is much better option.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

Except the QX100 doesn't shoot raw.

And it's big and clunky, which allows for the optical zoom.

At least in the US, the QX100 has been discontinued.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Mister Roboto

For that amount of money, I would throw away the iPhone and use any smartphone and buy A6000 or LX100. =D

Apr 25, 2015permalink

EskeRahn

I think you simply miss the point. Or are not in the quite narrow target group.

This device is for those that would otherwise have carried a smartphone AND a good compact camera, and do not really use zoom. For them this is the ideal two-in-one compact device.

The one big advance of a phone camera is that it seldom is back home when you need it, but actually is at hand 24/7. Most people would be unlikely to carry say a QX100 around 24/7

But sure it is a niche product! The huge masses just use a phone-camera for mms and/or social media, and most often outdoors in daylight, and thus won't benefit. Many of the remaining would miss a substantial zoom. And as it is qute expensive too, there only remains quite few potential buyers/users.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Impulses

A smaller QX100 with a collapsing prime lens like the CM1's would've been a whole lot more interesting to me and I suspect many enthusiasts. The CM1 is mildly interesting but it's too chunky for a daily use phone and too expensive for a secondary device (might as well get an RX100 etc).

It's like going back to a 3-4 year old Android phone when they first hit 4.3" screen sizes but were like little bricks, think HTC EVO or Sensation (original ones). I hope Panasonic iterates on it, it's doubtful they could make it slimmer but for $650 or so I'd be tempted. The Amazon listing is an import so they're gouging, wasn't the MSRP in Europe like $850 USD?

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Marty4650

Those are the best quality photos I have ever seen coming from a smartphone.

Of course, the real question is.... how many smartphone users want, need, or are willing to pay for better quality photos? Over one billion smartphones were sold last year, and very few of them were purchased to take high quality photos.

You really don't need image quality this good for facebook posts or email attachments. So will these users pay a very high premium price to get better photos?

My guess is.... no.

Nice exercise in proving it can be done, but I think Apple and Samsung are safe.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

teddoman

What's the street price going to be when this hits the US market? People pay $750 for a phone and $1000+ phone for their cameras already. This is a twofer.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

ProfHankD

Better IQ in phones is gonna happen. Up to around ISO400, this is darn pretty, if slightly artificial looking. Higher still works. Overall, I think you'd be able to get really nice images scaling down to 5MP, which is plenty for nearly everything. All good.

Will people buy it in droves? Probably not; it isn't from Apple nor Samsung. Still, it is another step in an inevitable direction.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

xoio

I feel it makes a bit of a mockery of their 'flagship' bridge FZ1000, when they steal the sensor from it and bung it in a phone...

Seems i'm NOT the only one who thinks so either..
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/why-the-panasonic-lumix-dmc-cm1-is-a-bad-idea-1265639

Apr 24, 2015*permalink

HowaboutRAW

One is a camera with an optical zoom, and the other is a smartphone.

I don't see how that's mockery. The smartphone sure costs more than the camera.

That TechRadar review is pretty ignorant, and only seems helpful with the comment about bad battery life. And it says nothing about the FZ1000.

It's tiresome to read lines about this smartphone camera not being noticeably better for things like FaceBook and Instagram. Obviously the reviewer isn't interested in digital cameras and probably shouldn't have done the review. Aint his bailiwick.

It's very likely a Sony 1" sensor in both, so "steal" seems an odd word.

Apr 24, 2015*permalink

zsedcft

That article is the the worst piece if journalism I have ever seen. Everybody in the comments basically ripped that guy a new one.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

(unknown member)

Those were really great high iso photos, for a smartphone.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

Because of the 1" sensor.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

DarnGoodPhotos

Heck, those are good high iso shots for a good pocket camera.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

most good pocket cameras don't have 1" sensors, though some have lower pixel densities.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

Mister Roboto

And you will never ever see these quality photos from iCrap I mean iPhone in few more years. =D

Apr 25, 2015permalink

(unknown member)

@ damgooddesign
That phone IS a very good pocket camera.

Apr 25, 2015*permalink

Lan

Very nice RAW results; disappointing JPEGs.

Assuming these are JPEGs taken with the camera defaults; the JPEG engine seems to apply too much NR at base ISO, and the sharpening appears to be excessively wide radius and clumsily applied. Standard JPEGs in other words ;)

Apr 24, 2015permalink

AshMills

since its 1" shame its not c-mount.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

Great, can we get about 10 real world raws for download too?

Apr 24, 2015permalink

worldcup1982

from previous samples i've seen, the lens is not that good...

Apr 24, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

Sharp in the center and has excellent colour.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

worldcup1982

@howaboutraw:
samples asked:
http://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/panasonic_lumix_dmc_cm1_review/sample_images/
plenty of raws..
the lens is not good at sides and corners...at least from the samples i saw

Apr 24, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

world,

Thanks I did see those some weeks ago. I just want to see more examples. It is after all one of maybe 5 smartphones that shoot raw.

Apr 24, 2015*permalink

worldcup1982

@howaboutraw:
yep, and the one with big expectations, at least on my part...
to substitute once for all, all compact cameras..(to me, lol)
lets see...

Apr 24, 2015permalink

philflashes

Don't forget the DOF is quite small. It's not because the corners aren't sharp that the lens is crap, the corners are simply OOF due to the thin DOF.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

worldcup1982

@philflashes :
yep, i was talking about other samples that atr focused far away
and the ones here seem better than comparisons i saw over the internet

Apr 24, 2015permalink

HowaboutRAW

phil,

That's not how DoF works, and DoF increases with the decrease in aperture and decrease in sensor size.

1" sensored cameras don't have famously thin DoF, even with f/1.4 lenses.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

zsedcft

I looked on Flickr at this a few weeks ago. Everything looked as good as you could hope for a lens this size, but the sun stars were really ugly. Don't shoot this into the sun.

Apr 25, 2015permalink

teddoman

I saw a press release that it's scheduled to get Android Lollipop in May. Exciting, as Lollipop is a great upgrade in many ways.

Apr 24, 2015permalink

philflashes

Oh it comes with a Phone as well? Panny keeps amazing me...

Apr 24, 2015permalink

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