Twice as good? What you need to know about the Canon EOS 7D Mark II

After reading through many forums on the new Canon 7D MKII I've found clear demarcation between three different mindsets:

1) Professionals and serious hobbyists who welcome the updates, who need a rugged, fast camera for specific use cases. This group dismisses the vitriol over sensors and DR, knowing that talent is as big a part of photography as the technology. And they're right - nobody looks at a photograph and says "This sucks, must have been captured with a Canon sensor". This argument only exists on paper, from spec sheet peepers and those who never intended to own a Canon.

2) Hobbyists, pet and family photo enthusiasts who care more about Wifi, tilt and touchscreen, 4k video. Their arguments are valid, but other cameras are suited to their niche, the 7DMKII is not the tool they're looking for.

3) Many call them fanboys, sometimes trolls, who don't particularly care, they just want to complain about the competition.

Canon did well, this is a worthy upgrade for many.

Sep 25, 2014permalink

Vinci71

I'm already using a 7D "old", and honestly I don't think I'd need all these wfi/gps/touchscreen, but I'd like, and I hope, I can buy in the future a 7D2 (better high ISO, frame rate, better AF, I don't know what I'd need more...)

Sep 26, 2014permalink

Hibiscusbloom

I owned the 70D for about a year - I didn't like the files when compared to the Mk3. I really do wonder if the 7d2's sensor is exactly the same as the 70D's? Any expert opinion?

Sep 25, 2014permalink

same size
same pixel count
and same high ISO in jpeg on image resource.
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
just put in 70d and 7d mark 2
and compare. they seem identical so much for "a completely new designed sensor"

Sep 26, 2014permalink

dual12

10-1 it's just another high noise, low dynamic range sensor...typical of canon.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

naththo

Utterly Rubbish! You haven't even take your time to check raw file even based iso shadow noise. Lazy bone!

Sep 25, 2014permalink

coreyhkh

Typical Fanboy!

Oct 7, 2014permalink

willmore

Wait, the "Gear in this story" says 21 people have already 'had it'. It's not even out yet! Are there that many people who had a preview version of this camera here in this thread?

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Michael D Beckwith

Meh I'm sick of the Nikon/Canon fanboy wars. I shoot with Canon 7D MK I and love it to bits. I will say that BOTH Canon and Nikon make fantastic cameras. As for the Canon 7D MK II it is far too early to tell how good/bad this camera is. The fact is that no one really knows how it performs in the field in detail yet, it is just too early. All we have so far are spec sheets and quite literally only a few photographs (taken by Matt Granger et al) so far.

Personally I'd wait a few months and let the initial reviews come in, then give it a few more months for more reviews and time for a large group of people to really give it a good thorough test, then we will really get a sense of what the camera is like and how it performs.

I think most of the comments by a lot of people tell you more what camp the person has their tent in than what the camera is like in general.

I look forward to the long lengthy reviews and am prepared to wait to get a better sense of what it is like.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

For diversity, we should see some Nikon / Canon fangirls wars, too...

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Hibiscusbloom

Can anyone confirm if this statement from the review accurate? I have read conflicting reports. Thanks.
"Despite the advanced metering sensor, the 1.8% spot-meter unfortunately cannot be linked to the AF point (as it can on the 1D X)."

Sep 24, 2014*permalink

Helalwi

I think that this is true. In different forums this has been discussed

Sep 24, 2014permalink

http://learn.usa.canon.com/resources/articles/2014/eos7dmkii_intelligent_viewfinder.shtml

From Canon:

Spot metering circle

This circle is at the very center of the viewfinder, indicating the approximate area covered by the EOS 7D Mark II’s Spot metering. This only appears when Spot metering is active; Spot metering on the 7D Mark II is only at the center and cannot be moved elsewhere in the picture area.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Hibiscusbloom

Thanks. I assume that other metering modes can be locked onto the AF points - like centre weighted, and segmented. Thanks.

Sep 25, 2014permalink

I suggest the readers that want the 7D II to read this: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Photography-Tips/canon-eos-dslr-autofocus-explained.aspx

It explains the AF systems very nicely and is easy to understand.
Marketing and the interviewers are driving this camera to unrealistic expectations. In Canons marketing I understand ( sales ). But for a reviewer to compare it to the 1Dx and then ask Canon? VERY misleading and untrue.

Sep 24, 2014*permalink

Alcantariya13yum

That is also very old info.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Karl Gnter Wnsch

Why not take the new PDF explaining the 7DII autofocus in depth:
http://www.brochures.canon-europe.com/getFile.php?productid=9090&languageid=-111

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Compare it to the 1Dx...
http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/eos_1d_x_explained/AF_guide_EOS-1DX_eng.pdf

21 - F/2.8 dual cross type, 20 - F/4 cross type.

I will pick one up. But, I will wait until the price is much better.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Ozi Jim

Having had the opportunity to play with a 70D for about six weeks I found myself very fond of the variable angle touchscreen.
It seems like an odd omission on a camera like the 7D.
I can understand it on the 100D but a bit more size/weight on the 7D, an already sizeable and weighty camera, seems minor.
I would really like to know their rationale as I am struggling to understand this decision.(I would have thought a touchscreen was a given)
Otherwise this thing looks like it'll be the business.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Keith Colgan

I have a request into Canon for the answer, but until I hear from them, does anyone know if the 7DM2 will have a new RAW file type that will require the software people to accommodate?

Keith

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Ross Murphy

all new cameras require an update

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Peiasdf

I wish Canon shrink it down to K-3 size.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

oysso

Why? I find the size of a 1D series body very nice and I have not large hands. 7D is a bit smaller.

and I would buy the battery grip for the 7D making it even larger, but then the pinky is not falling below the edge of the camera making the holding of the camera much better.

I am saving up to a 5D III or the follow up camera though. I have only an old 1D mark III right now.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

In hydraulis

I would like to know about the in-camera menu fonts. Are the fonts to your satisfaction?

Sep 23, 2014permalink

halc

Sub-par sensor performance, not up to par with Sony.

Canon has become a laggard, they need to start innovating to catch up.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Camley

Cheer up it's a nice camera.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Alcantariya13yum

So forget Canon, why bother posting, Canon is not for you.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

bed bug

Hey, at least Canon has not got the Sony reputation of inglorious unreliability...

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Helalwi

At least in the new G7 X we see a 1" Sony Sensor ;-)

Sep 24, 2014*permalink

naththo

Canon sensor in the 7D MKII is MUCH better now than the 7D and is a lot better than Nex 7 so far. It is as close as Sony A7 for the high iso noise and the shadow noise. Your comment of sensor being a sub par is utterly nonsense! And in fact Canon AF is much better and the lens line up are excellent. Sony isn't. Grow up!

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Cameras INCREDIBLE

"start innovating to catch up", Canon has gone a big step forward with its dual pixel AF system. In my opinion it will eventually be much better than Sony's translucent mirror technology. You really get the best of both worlds with Canon's. What more is there to in innovate? As for "Sub-par sensor performance" I really don't know what you are talking about, maybe Sony is close to Canon, but not as good. Do you know what you are saying?

Sep 25, 2014permalink

In various tests on various websites including DPReview.
Sony has fared better. the difference in Dynamic range at lower ISO's is big. You can push shadows much further and extract detail that was lost.

Canon is not close to Sony in this regard. and then we have the 36mp fullframe sensors. that simply outresolve anything that canon has on the market.

I give you the dual pixel. it does the same thing as SLT i just wished Sony kept to the system used in the A580
That was proper engineering
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydslra580/

Sep 26, 2014permalink

naththo

The problem is AF and good quality lens is the most important part that we need for high end camera. Not just the dynamic range and high iso. We need all of it in one to make a perfect system. So far I found this Sony 28-70mm isn't as good as Canon would be. 24-70mm maybe a bit better but not much due to issue problem with both vignetting and distortion. Yeah BarnET I wish Sony should quit stuffing around with different mount but it seems too late now since some people now got E and FE camera body series. So Sony is pretty slow starting new lens on mirrorless. It will take time. It will get there slowly. Im looking forward to more new Sony lens for my camera A7 I need it with MUCH less distortion that would be awesome! But A7 AF isn't as good as 7D or 7D MKII though.

Sep 26, 2014permalink

landscape and architecture shooters do not need AF at all.
but they do need Dynamic range an good quality lenses.

Sony FE can adapt to every 135 lens you can think off. That includes the Canon EF range. which has some nice tilt-shifts for this purpose.

And even though the A7r AF doesn't come close to the 7D.
The 7D doesn't come close in image quality. The 24-70mm LII Canon is a great lens possibly the best in class. But awkward on the crop of the 7D. And it isn't as good as a cheaper 24-70mm tamron on the D810. when mounted on the 5d mkIII

Sep 26, 2014*permalink

Entropius

I wonder how the AF compares to the system in the D7100, the closest thing Nikon makes? AF speed and accuracy, more than anything else, is the killer feature for the sort of action work that this thing is designed for.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Unfortunately the D7100 only has 6fps and a small buffer. Yeah I also wonder how the two AF systems compare but the 7Dmkii would keep shooting at a higher frame rate longer than the D7100. Waiting for D400 - then we can talk.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Jonathan Brady

The D7100 can't do what the 70D can and the 7D Mark II will outperform the 70D. So, the D7100 is quite outclassed by the 7D Mark II.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

gunkan

Yes Jonathan, but not in the sensor. The D7100 is much better than 70D or 7D Mark II. That's is the problem with Canon. The have the technology: 1DX, but they don't give to APS-C so easily... in the other hand, Nikon use the best sensors in APS-C.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

Jonathan Brady

"much better" huh? mmm.... I think you're overstating it. There's about 2 stops worth of shadow recovery difference when processing RAW images to the extremes. If that's your bag... awesome. Me? I don't push my images that hard because I don't need to. HOWEVER, I do depend on the AF capabilities of my camera and I'd rather nail the image I want and only be able to push it about 3 stops in post vs miss the image entirely. Your needs may be different. If you enjoy Nikon... go enjoy it. Push those shadows until your heart is content. I'll continue enjoying my REALISTIC looking images.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

plasnu

In my experience, Canon AF has never been as good as Nikon's, but this camera may, who knows.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

autochrome

@ Jonathan , 2 stops of shadow recovery is unrealistic? There are plenty of scenarios where trying to lift the shadows in post without having horrible base noise is a necessity. I wished i could have as clean images with my 7D and 5DmkIII as Nikon, Sony users have with the Exmor sensor. Credit where credit is due. If Nikon and Sony users want to do astrophotography, night time photography, street photography, even landscapes, any kind of photography where they have no control over illumination and might find themselves dealing with a scene dynamic range exceeding vastly the sensor/film capability, then the fact is that Nikon and Sony users are better positioned to be able to address these shortcomings in post than Canon users. That is a fact, nothing wrong with this. Let's just hope Canon addresses this as soon as possible instead of continuing trying to milk their customer base to the last penny with the same sensor technology over and over again.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

jaykumarr

The original poster clearly wrote his intention : 'AF speed and Accuracy' .
Every reply talks about fps.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Scorehound

The 7D mkII's AF looks to be one hell of a beast based on first tests. As far as Nikon and image quality is concerned, I have never had a problem bringing shows up in post if I need to from my RAW files with my Canon cameras, Canon recovers shadows very well in their newest cameras.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Jonathan Brady nailed it up top- the 70D is a more consistent tracker than the D7100 (itself no slouch), and the 7D II is likely to be 1D X class- as in competitive with Nikon's newly released and top of their line D4s.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

oysso

The 7D II have same or upgraded AF from the 1D series, which is very good. If you have large set of Nikon system lenese I would not go for Canon just because of a camera. If you have yet to choose, then it is a matter of taste and what subject matter you do. For sports and wildlife, the 7D II is about the best that have been presented, ever. And at a very reasonable price.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

thebustos

I'm curious to see how this compares to the accuracy of the A77ii. I expect that the 7Dii's AF system is great, but how much better will it end up being compared to something like the A77ii, A6000, or NX1. More importantly how do these new crop of high fps and fast focusing APS-C cameras compare to things like the D4s or 1DX.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

tonywong

Pretty sure the 7D2 will be very good in AF performance. Not very many complaints about the 1Dx AF and the 7D2 is derived from that.

I think the 7D2's AF performance will be a significant step up over the D7100.

As for the 7D2 rivalling the 1Dx in AF performance, there are more f2.8 sensors in the 7D2 but the 1Dx uses a dedicated Digic 4 processor for AF alone (and dual Digic 5+ for the rest) whilst the 7D2 has to 'make do' with dual Digic 6 processors for everything.

Still at 10fps, the 7D2's AF might be as good if not better than the 1Dx's AF at 12fps. Since DPR has never reviewed the 1Dx (ahem) I guess there won't be a head-to-head comparison on AF.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

@tonywong - I don't think any review house does scientific testing of AF systems. This needs to be done. AF systems are very important - for some people more important than sensor performance. We need a review house to devise a scientific repeatable AF test setup. That way we can benchmark the AF performance of many cameras. And end all of this guessing and "gut feeling" stuff.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

tonywong

@brownie314. This is true, there hasn't been a decent repeatable test of AF systems because there are many different modes and situations that make AF testing difficult and cross comparisons tough as well. I'd guess that finding an indoor arena that can be controlled with decent lighting and dressing up a drone or RC model would be a good start in controllability and repeatability to test various AF systems.

It could also be complicated by the choice of lens to use and whether the system was fixed or handheld.

Nonetheless, I'm guessing the 7D2 will have great AF since it is primarily targeted at wildlife/sports shooters, and eschews other trends like 4k and touchscreen/swivel screens/wifi etc.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

tonywong - it might not be as difficult as you think. There are only 2 or 3 things we ask of AF systems. 1 - track a subject. 2 - using a single focus point - how fast can the system follow focus distance changes. 3 - focus in low light. Devise a test for those 3 things and it would go a long way to getting this benchmark system worked out.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

tonywong

The measure can be done ad hoc but repeatability of the system test and the metrics of the AF test might show lots of strengths and weaknesses of various systems (and versions of firmware).

Given the complexity of configuration options of modern sports bodies, one system may be better at detecting objects of a certain size, colour, movement speed or directional change, and being able to repeats those tests between days and weeks will be difficult if there is a lot of human variability.

Even multiple objects or other interference in between the subject and camera can be testable, but the complexity and cost involved certainly gives me pause.

I think that simple metrics (lowest light AF and speediness of acquisition) wouldn't give a full picture (no pun intended) of how well a modern sports cam works in the field.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Tony - it might not give the whole picture - but it is a start - when we have nothing right now.
Yes, I know the AF systems are very complex (they should be they are doing something very complex) but there must be simple ways of testing them that are repeatable. Even if it does not flesh out the entire system - it will at least be a start and give some picture (no pun) of the relative performance of different systems.

Sep 25, 2014permalink

ozturert

Expanded version of 7DMarkII brochure... I love Canon, but you cannot compare a 2014-model camera with a 2009-model "ex" version. Absolutely the new one will be better, but compare with others.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Mediocre

So the beat goes on.

The 7D-II has some great features that the action-sports-wildlife crowd has been looking for, and maybe it's tough enough to pound nails. The AF, in particular, is a Big Deal, followed closely by FPS and buffer depth. All else is nice, but maybe less important for the target audience. IQ, in particular, may not be up to the Latest and Greatest (still unknown), but may be good enough.

Nikon, on the other hand, outsources their sensors and generally seems to be doing very well in the IQ wars, but seems weak in features - FPS and buffer in particular. Their bodies might not be quite as tough as the 7D, but then again, Nikons were used for literally years-long Arctic duty in that movie documenting glacial retreat, Chasing Ice. Tough enough for most of us, I suspect.

Pentax has built a very good camera in the K3, but, despite the long Pentax history, can't quite claim the system development offered by Nikon and Canon.

We need a merge function for cameras!

Sep 23, 2014permalink

autochrome

@ JSees , Nikon weak in features? Not entirely sure about this. I'm not a Nikon user but their offerings seem very interesting. Remember the difference in specifications of the D600 vs 6D when both came out? My main concern is reliability, though i confess i had no idea that "Chasing Ice" was shot with Nikons, so that is reassuring.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

For those that need the 7D II's featureset, neither Nikon nor Pentax has a camera and lens combination that could get the shot.

A narrow set of circumstances to be sure, but that's what makes the 7D II special.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

AbrasiveReducer

Darn. Was going to delete this and it won't let me.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

"spot-meter unfortunately cannot be linked to the AF point"
Exact question I asked on Canon stand at Photokina.
I won't buy it.
:-(

Sep 23, 2014permalink

To anything but the center AF point. I can live with that. I'm bummed for sure, but it doesn't stop me from being very interested.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

Is this a software issue or a hardware issue? And why, please. Thanks.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Pure software. Costs (almost) nothing.
Highly usefull in live events.
Or for instant portraits in difficult (ie interesting) lightings...
One could live with(out) that, for sure. Just MY disapointment. I use it a lot.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

(unknown member)

Thank you. So, firmware update can fix this...

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Absolutely ! But marketing won't allow it. Or it would have been there from the start.
DON'T ask me why; for me it is just plain stupid :
It will have them sale LESS 7DII camera instead of more 1DX.
People (like me) wanting the 1DX will buy the 1DX anyway.
People (like me) wanting a second APS-C body to go with 1DX will NOT buy the 7DII.
Well, LESS people wanting a second APS-C body to go with 1DX will buy the 7DII.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

By the way, it is sad.
I never was convinced by the 7D (I did own a 1DII then).
I tried the 7DII at Photokina and it is a nice camera.

OK, I also tried the Zeiss OTUS 85mm 1.4 and so on... ;-)

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

Olgierd

Perhaps v2.00 firmware will enable AF linked spot-metering.... Sometimes in December of 2017...

Sep 24, 2014permalink

DiverDown

I think this is a fantastic camera and I'll be happy to part with my money to replace my 30D.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Donnie G

Do I like Canon's 7D MKII enough to buy one? Absolutely, positively yes! Am I going to run out and buy one as soon as it becomes available for purchase? Heck no! I plan for my camera purchases years in advance of actually parting with my hard earned money. That's why I like the fact that Canon's prosumer cameras have years long product cycles instead of the every 6 months cycles of most amateur grade products. I'll be able to buy the 7D MKII new 4 or 5 years from now for under $1,000 and still have an up to date version of one of the finest APS-C pro-grade action cameras ever made. Meanwhile, the whiners will still be crying over price or the lack of a shiny new feature they felt was omitted just to hurt their feelings or some other petty silliness that failed to push their instant gratification button, while I, much like Canon, will be laughing all the way to the bank. :)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Yep 5 years time we will be shooting FF Mirrorless on 36mpx sensor with 99% phase 15FPS 30 RAW buffer and the whole thing will weight less than 1KG and cost just over 1.5K while you go buy your 5 year old 7D MK2......have fun.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Hum. Almost there: Sony A7R. Well, if you forget the 15fps. Rather 1.5fps.
OK, forget phase AF too... ;-)

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

John Nall

I did run out and buy the first 7D when it was released. I had just returned from a trip to Alaska and realized the value of a video option that my 40D did not offer. That said, I have concluded that camera manufacturers are now (maybe always?) upgrading their equipment pretty much on the margins, leaving people like Mr. G wonderful opportunities to pick up great equipment at low prices. I see no sufficient improvement to the 7D Mkii that would motivate me to sell off my old 7D, like I did five years ago when I sold my 40D. Even though I've sold off almost all my Canon equipment last month so I could "go light" with the Sony RX100 and RX10, the old 7D remains in my camera bag...just in case. A fantastic camera that will more than meet the needs of 95% of the picture-taking population.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Donnie G

@ Serious Sam,

While you dream of some day owning a FF mirrorless camera that maybe, somehow, almost, might eventually be the equal in performance to Canon's APS-C pro-grade 7D MKII, I prefer to dream bigger. What if there were a 7D MKII equivalent pro-grade mirrorless medium format camera equipped with an all electronic lens mount that accepted ultrasonic autofocusing, image stabilized lenses and did 4K video too? I'd be willing to bet that such a camera would take over the medium format market practically overnight. Never mind that the market for medium format is shrinking and there's practically no chance to make a profit from the new camera system. It's my dream, so some company should (innovate) and make my pipe dream come true too. See, I can relate. :)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

MrG not sure what year you are living in but what I outlined is not a dream unlike your medium format illustrated.

I am not a sony fanboy and I don't even like sony but they possess most of the technology I outlined. Just not in one body. Won't be hard for them to put together the technology in A7S, A6000 and A77mk2 together. Wether they will do it or not is a different story. Then there in the increase in phase coverage, FPS and Buffer which is just simply tech progression. The whole idea is not far from reality.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

Eric Hensel

Look at the size of that thing! ;)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

Yes. It's not a planet. It's a 2014 camera. ;)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Karl Gnter Wnsch

A tad on the small side...

Sep 24, 2014permalink

TheDevil

Looks like the height might be a tad smaller. But the width looks good. I like the location of the back button focus on the original 7D, its a little tight on the 70D. Looks like its in a good spot on the MKII.

Sep 25, 2014permalink

DABlodger

I have a 7d and will buy the 7d Mark II because of the upgrades in ISO and AF and the balance between cost and it meeting my shooting style. And since it is easy for me to get caught up in all the spec comparisons, I sometimes have to remind myself of a quote from a guy who was considered a fairly decent photographer and who used only one camera and one 50mm lens over most of his career.

“It is an illusion that photos are made with the camera… they are made with the eye, heart and head.” - Henri Cartier-Bresson

Sep 23, 2014permalink

ThomasSwitzerland

Hi DABlodger
Good to remind us of Cartier-Bresson. He is a genius like Ansel Adams. And if you are unable to get through with one lens, say 50mm, a full day; then you might have an artistic problem. On the other side, most of us don’t have those creative capabilities. Doing snapshots as in the 1950s. But the pictures today are much better by the aid of technology. And the wonders of PP allow pictures with the full variable taste of personal expression.
Cartier-Bresson communicated more with less. Our clouds today are filled with billions of pictures. No one gets noticed individually anymore.

The Canon here is the right camera for the “more with less” style and a wise choice in this sense. Nevertheless I had expected more from Canon being a powerful conglomerate in such a rapidly moving marketplace. I have the feeling they might turn to a market laggard. And this would become a real danger for them not too far away.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sony+alpha+slt-a77&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ps

Don't say "he is a genius like Ansel Adams". Say Is is a Genius and Anselm Adams is a (very differend kind of) genius.
They do very different things. With all respect.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

xzoup

Have used the 7D since 2009 with only an AF fix, and the 5DM3 since 2012. I just hope the 7DM2 will match up to the 5DM3 in IQ, because everything else I've read sounds great. Will give it a short time on the consumer market, read some reviews, and if everything looks good I know the 7DM2 will be my next EOS DSLR Canon camera.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

ThomasSwitzerland

If you need a fast action camera, durable, this is a perfect tool and worth the money, priced right for those specific purposes in dynamic environments.

Else, I feel the latest EVFs are more than ok. I like smaller and lighter bodies, and fun with some connectivity gadgets. Like a great lens with an Android back (intelligent embedded system, 7” hi-res screen to zoom in). Allowing for scripted post processing out-of-the box on the spot. For the fans of bricks and heavy lenses, can also be larger and better balancing as an option. I think something like that this might be the future. This Canon reminds me on my last huge analog Canon with the “super racing” shutter 15 years ago. I don’t know - Canon seems to neglect our fast modern times. But, if they make good money, why not. We got choices.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Robert Krawitz

Everyone talking about EVF or video -- remember what the 7D (and 7DmkII) is targeted at. These cameras are designed for action shooting -- sports and wildlife in particular -- for people who want crop sensor/can't afford the 1DX. As such, improvements in AF performance, frame rate, and low-light image quality are *very* welcome. The samples I've seen suggest, not conclusively, that ISO 6400 performance is much better than the 7D. If the AF is as good as claimed, that will be a tremendous upgrade. The anti-flicker will be great in marginally lit sporting venues. When you're shooting basketball from the baseline in a badly lit gym, or football under the lights, you'll know what I mean :-) And this matters for event work in general.

An EVF just would not cut it for this.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

white shadow

This is a great camera for those people who cannot afford the Canon 1DX or who like a lighter body.

Great for fashion shows, sports and wildlife photography.

Canon knows how to fine tune the 7D to be even better. There is no need to join the megapixel race. Those who want a flip screen can always buy the 70D. Those who prefer an EVF and even lighter camera can buy a mirrorless camera. Those who prefer what the 7D Mk2 can offer are happy that they have the camera they want.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Photomonkey

Spot on analysis.
It's interesting to note that there is no comment on how the flagship models of any manufacturer need to have EVF, IBIS, tilt screens, GPS, 4K video and the other must-have items of the hobbyist.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

oysso

@ Photomonkey

I presume you are joking.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Scottelly

It amazes me that Canon would under-spec a camera so much. At least they put two memory card slots in this thing.

They STILL haven't caught up with the Sony A77, which is 24 MP and shoots at 12 fps, has a fold-out, completely articulating screen, and comes with a really good, weather sealed 16-50mm f2.8 lens . . . for $1,400.

. . . and the new Sony A77 II body, with Wi-Fi, is under $1,100.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1047080-REG/sony_ilca77m2_alpha_a77_ii_dslr.html

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

AbrasiveReducer

I think Canon is cautious by nature, especially in this lousy market environment. But maybe Canon can hire someone away from Sony, to show them how, with cutting edge innovation, they can move from first place in camera sales, to third place.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Miike Dougherty

I use the Sony A77 II with 70-400 GII and Tamron 150-600. It has one weakness when shooting at 12 FPS. The camera has to be at maximum aperture. The problem is that most lenses, especially the Tamron 150-600, really need to be stopped down to at least F8 to get maximum sharpness. It's not so much a problem with the Sony 70-400 as it is reasonably sharp at maximum aperture.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

How much FPS you end up with if you shoot at F8??

Sep 23, 2014permalink

...and then you'd have to attempt to shoot action through an EVF.

It'll work for some people, while it'll be absolutely useless to others. And then you'd have to live with Sony's glass selection :/.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

@ John

You have a point there as Lee Jay put it is a cheap 1DX which make the 7D2 sensible.

The problem I guess is market perception. When you are asking over 2K for a standard kit, people expect you to have stuff like tilt screen, WiFi and state of the art sensor etc. After all Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, and Sony all mange to do that and even if you compensate that with 1DX features...you are still in the wrong. If Canon cannot learn from this. They will be in trouble I assure you that because customer will be even more demanding in features and price in the coming years.......especially in this class of customers.

Sep 24, 2014*permalink

A tilt-screen is for live-view; useless for an action focused camera, and compromises durability.

Wifi- sure, not sure why they left that out, but it's also extraneous.

Canon worked on making the sensor more useful at high ISOs, where it meets and possibly exceeds the D7100 (as a benchmark); it's no low ISO king, but again, it's not a landscape-focused camera either.

Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, Sony, Pentax, and Samsung (at least) have to throw in every bullet-point feature they can to drive sales. The 7D II is about being an excellent action camera, not about winning bullet-point battles.

(at least that's what Canon would have us believe)

Sep 24, 2014permalink

"Canon worked on making the sensor more useful at high ISOs, where it meets and possibly exceeds the D7100"

Sample from DPR ts suggest different. Look at the RAW noise SD between 7100, 70D and even 5D3, very similar while D7100 is the cheapest out of the three.

"Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus, Sony, Pentax, and Samsung (at least) have to throw in every bullet-point feature they can to drive sales. The 7D II is about being an excellent action camera, not about winning bullet-point battles.

(at least that's what Canon would have us believe)"

Can Cannon camera division survive with just selling 1DX and 7D?? No..

Everyone else throw in every bullet-point feature because that is what the market wants. Look at D750, Nikon is learning fast (although still conservative). From Pro P&S, Mirrorless, APSC DSLR and FF will be all like that. Canon don't like the game, they can die hard trying to resist which I bet now they will lost...or just P off and hang up your boots.....

Sep 24, 2014*permalink

Keith Reeder

Tell you what, Scott: you and me, shoulder-to-shoulder, shooting (say) Grand Prix, Super Bikes, or the like - me with a 7D Mk II, you with any Sony you want to choose.

I'll.

stomp.

you.

into.

the.

ground.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

DPR a77 mk2 has been mention so many times. As a competitor. Please include a test between the two so we can have an idea of actual performance difference. PLEASE!!

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Miike Dougherty

Serious Sam, the A77 II can shoot at 8 FPS at F8 or any other aperture if the there is enough light. Keith Reader, there is no doubt that the 7D II will be the preferred body for cropped frame sports shooting (especially with Canon's lenses), but for only $3,400, you can buy an A77 II for $1,200 and 70-400 G with peizo auto focus for $2,200 which is sharper and more modern than Canon's 100-400 push/pull zoom. At 12 FPS, the electronic viewfinder takes a little getting used to but what you see in the electronic viewfinder is what you get for post processing. Keith, you have some extraordinary images. I think you would be pleasantly surprised with the capabilities of an A77 II and Tamron 150-600 combo for photographing birds. The flexibility and speed are incredible.

Oct 1, 2014permalink

I'd love to be surprised by the A77 II, if I were in the market for such a camera (I'll stick to my 6D for now).

But the jury's still out; I've seen complaints about the EVF with respect to tracking, but I haven't seen a good comparison with a known quantity like the D7100/70D etc.

Oct 1, 2014permalink

Len_Gee

How is it that many "own it" or say they've " had it " when it hasn't even been released yet?
I don't understand how that could be so.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

lem12

Welcome to anonymous world with no boundaries!

Sep 23, 2014permalink

AbrasiveReducer

One might infer that not everything on DPR is entirely accurate.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Stephen787

As irrelevent as 5D3. One look at the spec, 5 years for scant.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Barney Britt on

13 times large in yellow.

"Twice as good?"

What is this for a hype article?
It's not even that innovative.
Actually it has been stripped of all recent common features.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

What I really like about the internet is. It makes this advertising BS much easier to dissect. People want to get a product at a fair price, and not something that is hyped up and doesn't turn out to be up to snuff. If the 7D II is a success then it will have to meet my an others idea of a good investment and something that is worth 1800 U.S. dollars.
If not? People will know about it VERY fast.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Yes, I just started a forum post on exactly this topic. It has to do with why anyone would make a crappy lens in todays instant information age. Everyone would know it right away and no one would buy it.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

KW Phua

7D II is a action capture gear. Help you capture the moment. Responsive is the most importance factor for this type of camera. The photographer need to anticipate and trigger at the right time + high fps increase the chances to get the right moment. EVF may be very advance but a slight slag may cost you miss something that may not be repeated in the rest of your life time. Most of the time even in good light I still seldom set the ISO at base in order to increase the Shuttle Speed. If you are not a wild life or sport photographer, if will not understand what I said. Get the right gear for the fight photography. Cheers

Sep 23, 2014permalink

SeeRoy

The "slag" will get you every time you try to "capture the moment" no matter how low you set the "shuttle speed" when you're doing that "fight photography". Phew; it's all so awesome.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Joe Mayer

I guess it makes a great headline and it's clever referring to the mk2 as twice as good? But sadly, no, it's not. I doubt it could ever have been and really, at the price point, does anyone realistically expect it to be so? If you'd like it to be better, it existed before it's announcement. It's called the 1DX. Oh, but no one wants to pay for it. They want a 7D that does what the 1DX does for the price of an SL1. Never gonna happen (though it does a lot of what the 1DX does). So, it's a little better in some ways (iso over 800 wasn't very good at all), a lot better in others (the 7D AF could be flaky) so the mk2 is what it is. Twice as good it isn't but better it is. Another thing's for sure is that the price isn't twice of the 7D. In fact, it's debuting for less than the mk1. Not a bad deal at all.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

I would pay more for a 1D crop sensor camera. With 1.6 crop factor. I would not hesitate a minute. I just don't understand why they will not make one?

Sep 23, 2014permalink

But it could have been twice as good. Upgrade the 2009 era sensor performance (just buy the stupid Sony sensor please) - and everyone would be clamoring for this thing. I think most people who would want this body care more about stills IQ than they do about the dual pixel AF thing.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Scottelly

I think it's just pathetic that Canon couldn't match the Sony A77 spec . . . even after three years. How sad. And on top of that, the Sony includes a good, weather sealed lens . . . and costs $400 less.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

@brownie314 - about that 2009 era sensor performance
Copy / Paste (one of my previous posts):
"I have learned that: using Irfanview you can open the CR2 files from the 7D Mk II, available on the Imaging Resource site. Opened the high ISO and compared with 7D,70D and a6000. My current conclusion, as already posted, is as follows:
"OK... Here is what I SEE at ISO 6400:
a) vs 7D - clearly better;
b) vs 70D - marginally (but quite visibly) better;
c) vs a6000 - draw, because, indeed, there is LESS visible noise on the a6000 image but there is also visible loss of detail in some instances, too.
That's it for now. Temporary verdict: possible winner."

So, what do you think? Check that and please tell me about your subjective (or objective) opinion.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

white shadow

@ Joe Mayer

You are right. The 7D Mk2 is an improvement to the 7D. It does not have to be revolutionary. If one want a high performance camera they can get the 1DX but as usual the average joe would not want to pay for it. Professional requirements are also very different from amateur ones. The 7D Mk2 closes the gap further for those on a budget.

Good that Canon remain focus on the need of its target market.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

KW Phua

Cook the RAW to cheat DXO. I prefer to see the picture noise and the detail rather then just the number from DXO.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

@zerg2905 - so what are you saying? Who did this analysis? You? What lens was on the A6000? And what lens on the 7Dmkii? So you are saying this Canon sensor is an even match for the Sony sensor in the A6000? I am not going to call you bias or a liar. But I will wait for the real test results - thanks. My guess is that this sensor may be marginally better than the one in the 70D - but still way behind the newest Sony sensor.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

@brownie 314
Here:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-7d-mark-ii/canon-7d-mark-iiA7.HTM
AND
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
Hint: please check the olive oil bottle details at ISO 6400... In a head to head comparison.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Zerg2905. Well, I compared it to the D7100. Indeed noise does seem to be well controlled at high ISO - but all the details are gone too. It is difficult to compare directly because the D7100 has a higher resolution sensor - but I am seeing more detail in the D7100.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

Maybe Nikon JPEG conversion engine is better than Sony's...

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Sony? You mean Canon?

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

audiobomber

You're looking at the manufacturer's default jpeg settings at IR. It's a useful comparison only for noobs who never shoot raw, and don't know enough to adjust jpeg settings in camera. Plus manufacturers diddle with ISO settings. The only realistic ISO comparisons are done by DXOMark.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

OK, Canon AND Sony. There is something weird with Sony JPEGs... But that's just my take. I'll stop here, it's late and I'm sure there will be more to discuss when 7D II will be more... Tangible.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

(unknown member)

@audiobomber: I ALWAYS shoot RAW. And about DxO: if you say so... I only know this: if 10 fps at ISO 6400 will look good, far better than the 7D, on print, I don't care at all about what DxO says.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Photomonkey

Canon did not set out to build an A7. They set out to create the next generation DSLR and as such seem to have improved every aspect of it.
Not adding the features that the hobbyists are clamoring for is not an oversight but a deliberate statement about their idea of what the camera should be.

If you are looking for the Swiss Army knife of cameras, look elswhere.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Der Steppenwolf

"They set out to create the next generation DSLR and as such seem to have improved every aspect of it."
With 3 generations old sensor.
There I fixed it up for you.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

"Oh look. That photograph must have been taken with a 3 generations old sensor".

Said exactly no one when looking at a professionally captured image, from any manufacturer.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Tim Gander

I see a lot of commenters on Canon products complaining about the age of Canon's sensor technology. I'm not too sure what their current technology is, or what anyone else's is and frankly I don't give a monkey's cuss!

I have a 5DMKIII as my main camera and the results I get from it are great. I also have, and still use, an original 5D which also gives me great results. Its sensor is less than half the resolution of the MKIII, but for one thing it's a great backup camera, secondly I never had a client complain I was using an old camera with old tech inside, and thirdly I know inside and out what that camera will do in any given situation. Which is far more important than worrying about whether it has some technology which has no bearing on what my clients pay for my work.

I'm sure Sony, Nikon and all the others make lovely cameras, but I cannot express deeply enough how very little I care about sensor tech and how much I DO care about photography.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

"next generation" - how is this next generation. It is like putting a racing stripe on an old cavalier and calling it a new model. New AF - great - good job Canon (no seriously). But all for nothing when they have the oldest, worst sensor tech in the business.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

lynmay

I agree with you, photomonkey. I shoot and have shot travel and nature photography for many years. If I want a lightweight good quality DSLR I use my 60D, which is still excellent by the
If I'm working 12 hours days at 10,000 feet I want a brick solid DSLR that will handle almost anything that comes at me or it.
Flip out screens/touch screens have little value if they can break or cannot be used with gloved fingers at 0 degrees.
Canon made this for serious pros that can't afford the weight, or don't want to invest their money in 1D series gear when they can buy better lenses.
Most of my investment is with L series lenses. The camera will always be secondary for most applications.

Thank you Canon for creating a serious tool for people who need to depend on their gear and NOT making a toy that wont last 5 YEARS.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Just Ed

Tim, I think the problem is that you actually care about taking photos, many here just care about looking like they are photographers.

Mkiii is indeed awesome if the person behind the viewfinder knows what they are doing :-)

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Photomonkey

"old technology sensor"? As there have been no real tests AFAIK it seems a bit premature to make such claims but this is the internet so I expect that.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

Potemkin_Photo

Also, it's inevitable that this will be marketing boilerplate for the makers. DPreview is no longer an independent site.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Potemkin_Photo

Cow-towing? Or Kowtowing?
I didn't people still towed cows. :)

But I agree: no variangle touchscreen and no EVF = major FAIL.

0.1 x as good.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Lee Jay

I can add and EVF to the 7DII. Can you add a through-the-lens OVF to a mirrorless camera?

Sep 23, 2014permalink

viking79

Theoretically you could, make some adapter like the Sony LAEA4, but with an SLR mirror and OVF instead. It would probably be an ugly thing, but someone could if they really wanted to.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Lee Jay

I can just go buy a Hoodman Cinema Kit Pro for $150 and snap it right on to the 7DII and instantly have a HUGE and bright 720x480 EVF.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

josikim

I get a feeling it has something to do with their weatherproofing. As for the touch screen, I'm not too sure. Maybe it's to keep their profit margins high?

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Cane

This sounds like a marketing packet from Canon. Is it?

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Joe Ogiba

Maybe by 2020 Canon will put 4K in the 7D Mark III like the Samsung NX1.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

jnd

By that time Samsung will have already 8K video or whatever full size resolution the sensor will have. At 120 fps.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

ThePhilips

APS-C lives on. Take that.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

JackM

Yep. Sorry all you APS-H piners.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

SteB

I agree that the Canon 7D mkII looks a good option for anyone with a big collection of Canon lenses, or anyone looking for this class of camera. However, given the long product cycle of this camera, and the only slightly incremental step up in image quality sensor wise, Canon is getting a bit behind the curve. It's still good enough for me, but you do wonder how it will look in a few years time. Although if I upgrade my DSLRs I think I'd probably be more tempted by the 70D. I checked comparison images elsewhere, and the 7D mkII sensor doesn't appear to have any clear advantage over the 70D image quality wise.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Rob Turner

I agree that there is no clear advantage over the 70D in regards to sensors but there does appear to be an advantage to the 7D mkii sensor at the upper end of high iso. I used http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM to compare the same scene between the 70D and 7D mk ii. :-) Of course it the difference could be in the processing of the data and not the sensor.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

If you held both cameras in your hands, you'd know why you wanted the 7D II- I've seen people go back to their 7Ds over the 70D for the same reason.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

jenbenn

I dont really understand why people are complaining.

For the last months I have been shooting a 5D III and a sony A7. After testing Sony's "innovative" camera I am utterly disapponted and decided to stick entirely with my 5Ds despite their higher weight. Reasons?:

1. Optical Viewfinder. If you shoot more than the casual amateur, you need an optical viewfinder. Staring through a Mini-TV- Viewfinder for hours a day is not an option, no matter how good the TV is. EVF may have an advantage in near to total darkrness but the lag of the EVF in darkness also makes you miss shots.

2. Operability. Canon handles much better and quicker. Sony takes ages to power on or zoom into a pic for checking focus.

3. Lenses.

In view of this the 7D II is another solid, camera, with specs you need to get the shot. Sure I would love a Foveson Sensor with 36 Mp and no noise up to iso 102,400. But I happily take the cam as is because I know it will let me get the shots easier than its predecessor.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

kangoo1707

1. You just can't get used to shooting with EVF. In contrast, I cannot shoot with an OVF either. Lag doesn't matter that much, under/overexpose does (as regards spot metering) and I don't need to review my shots with A7 (my friends with 5d2 do that everytime)

2. It's personal again. To me, apart from the startup delay, everything else is just fine. The control is exactly what I want, and it's almost customizable. I do want aperture ring like Fuji, but Canon doesn't have this either.

3. Of course, but 7 lens (28-70, 24-70, 35, 50, 70-200, 16-35, 28-135) plus 2 Loxia lens (35, 50) in the first year of the FE mount is not that bad.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

BaldCol

kangoo1707 - lag matters very much indeed. It's the difference between an oh so close but not quite image and a keeper.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

ThePhilips

@jenbenn, You basically picked the worst of mirrorless to compare against handling of the 5D3. A7 cameras are way to immature at this point of time. Unless you need the IQ right now, then wait for the mk2. And if you do not need the IQ, then there are other (non-FF) mirrorless which handle better and have better lens selection.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

jenbenn

Further to my post:

1. EVF makes me personally feel somewhat detached from the subject. With an OVF I can much better transform my imagination into the image I want.

No.2 is also not exhaustive: start-up and zoom in are only examples. Everything on the Sony reacts only after a shorter and sometimes longer lag. Even changing the aperture doesnt feel smooth. In addition, the camera feels very unfomtable with longer and heavier lenses. A 70-200 for example is downright a pain to use, except from a tripod.

As to the other mirrorless option: I actually need the high IQ because I print for galleries and agencies. I also do a lot of portriature, so FF is kind of a necessity. The only alternative to Sony would be Fuji. They indeed have great lenses. But the EVF is kind of the same and I dont like the rendition of foilage and greenery. Looks sort of plasticy in all usable raw converters.

I think mirrorless are not really a replacment of a DSLR and lack the universailty of usages.

Sep 23, 2014*permalink

Cane

You know you can ever take pictures without EVF or OVF? Yes, it's possible without jamming a camera to your face and looking through a little hole.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

kangoo1707

Yes, lag matters because 7D people shoot birds, action, right?

But people have different needs. The A7 series are better for portrait (high mpx, eye-AF), landscape (high mpx, DR) or macro (focus magnification.), but the OP has generalized too much here

@ThePhillips: wow, the worst of mirrorless? Is handling so much important to you, cos' I can get used to any camera within a week

Sep 23, 2014permalink

ThePhilips

@jenbenn: "I think mirrorless are not really a replacment of a DSLR and lack the universailty of usages."

They are not replacement for YOUR gear. So much is clear. :)

But they are replacement for 95% of the other DSLRs, with which, believe me, you would have even more problems than with the A7.

Or you want me to believe that a Rebel with a kit lens and tiny, tunnel-like OVF, would do better job for you needs? Somehow I doubt it. Doubt it very much.

DSLR (and now mirrorless) are very mature these days and have lots of different cameras to offer. Blank statement like "mirrorless doesn't work for me, only DSLR does" doesn't make any sense for many years now. Because you can't extrapolate and generalize it like that - even for the DSLRs themselves.

@kangoo1707, actually, yes. Handling is quite important to me. And no, you can't get used to the camera reacting only eventually to your commands. I'm spoiled by fast cameras and fast AF. Panasonic FTW.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Doesn't Nikon use Sony sensors? Can have OVF, great body, and sensor...can't think of which Nikon maches 7DII in speed though for sports (I don't follow Nikon).

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Shugetsu

In terms of speed and focus reliability, the D4s certainly outmatches the 7DII anytime of day. The only downside is it is too expensive.

Sep 25, 2014permalink

I'm just curious, do photographers participate in these discussions or is it only those who prefer to whine about stats on paper? Seems to me a lot of people rely on the tech rather than talent, and from the level of conversation it's obvious that the tech is unacceptable. By deductive reasoning, so are many photographs.

I'm new around here, my observations may not be entirely accurate.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

TheDevil

I really like the subtle changes they made with the style body. The more I see of this camera the more I want it. I love the touch and flip out screen on my 70D's but understand why it would be left out on this type of camera.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Why would someone shoot sports at weird angles that require a fold-out LCD? This camera is not meant for selfies or taking shots of flowers on the ground. A flip-out LCD might allow rain and dirt to get into the body easier too, who knows.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

tom1234567

Samsung NX1 is a better camera
Samsung’s NX1 camera is ready to capture life as it happens. Thanks to 205 phase-detection points and 209 contrast-detection points, the NX AF System III covers an incredible 90% of the sensor area. This super-wide AF area is superior to those in digital SLRs. With 15 frames-per-second (fps) capture speed, it can track and capture moments that you don’t even see coming. This isn’t for a short burst, either. Up to 70 full resolution JPEG images can be captured at a time,
so beats canon out the park they better go back to the drawing board

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Paul B Jones

I hope you are being paid by Samsung because your apropos of nothing comment is really peculiar otherwise.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

SKPhoto12

His opinion is perfectly justified and not peculiar in any way. The Samsung NX1 looks to be a remarkable camera, which can compete with the D7100, XT1 and the 7D Mk II. One could easily argue that the NX1 is the most revolutionary camera at Photokina, which certainly can not be said about the Canon!

Sep 23, 2014permalink

ZoranHR

Yes,but you forgot to note one thing: NX2 will have 66 core processor and direct pizza button.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

eno2

I really hope Samsung doesn't screw up NX 1 with a disastrous jpeg engine that turns everything into water-paintings (the first samples on the web looked like this).
If you have any connection to Samsung, please remind them this little (very important) thing!

Sep 23, 2014permalink

http://www.dpreview.com/members/9524664271/overview

It's common practice to use quotations when directly lifting content from the web. Otherwise it's called plagiarism.

On a more constructive note, let's see your sample images. I'm curious how they compare to Canon.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

tecnoworld

It's more than evident that the guy is a Samsung advertiser:

No activity older than 1 week and all (and only) posts about the nx1, even in other forums.

Samsung is used to this, forums and blogs are full of this kind of ppl. It's easy to spot those, they simply will talk about how good Samsung nx is, negating all the defects and hoping that prices will never drop :-)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

tom1234567

Your talking a load of BS
I'm a Pentax k3 user that see's the NX1 for what it is
A great camera that beats the 7DMk11 for features
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH Samsung
as a Pentax K3 camera user which also beats Canon aps-c
why are you telling lies I posted on the Pentax forum today and yesterday and 4days ago so ur talking CRAP
because your a Canon user no doubt??????????????

Sep 23, 2014permalink

tecnoworld

Don't be offensive. In the list of your messages, only 1 is on the Pentax forum and starts like this:

"I'm happy with my K3 my next camera will be the Samsung NX1,...."

So, as you see, not very Pentax related :-D

Sep 23, 2014permalink

eno2

You are probably right, heck, not probably but sure :). I really hope They don't screw up NX 1. Anyway, 7D mark 2 is a very nice photographic camera and will make a lot of Canon shooters happy, I'm sure of it.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Hmmm... Two camera that I am bashing lately, what do I do...

OK seriously, from field reports the AF on the NX1 is just not going to cut it and even you can say that there are so much feature on the NX1, the name Samsung and the term pro camera just don't mix.

The AFC between NX1 and 7DMk2 i am guessing the 7D2 witll win but if I am picking these type of camera, I am still more likely to buy an A77 Mk2.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

tecnoworld

Agreed. I read several reports of terrible AF performance for nx1, when the subject moves towards/backwards (while the AF seems decent when the subject swings left/right on the same plane, but in that case...even manual focus could do!!!).

Previous nx cameras are pretty poor in tracking/continuous AF and I don't expect wonders here.

Besides, at 15fps the buffer fills in one second and takes a good while to clean, so it's a no-no for action/sport photography.

Last (bnl) the IQ of the pictures posted on several websites is really low. OK, it's beta fw, OK, it's jpg, but how mhuc better can it be in one month, when it's released??

At that price, I don't see anyone jumping on Samsung's bus, just to try!

Sep 23, 2014permalink

knightsJayTana

We are living in the world where "Ecosystem" is the primary key to success. Give us lenses, Samsung! LENSES...

Sep 23, 2014permalink

JimBob0

"is ready to capture life as it happens'

Technically, with an EVF it's capturing life after it happened.

Anyway, what sort of person writes "is ready to capture life as it happens". Troll.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

samfan

Well, other brands have fanboys to do the same job, Sony in particular. Poor Samsung, everyone still regards them as fridge makers so they have so few fanboys they need to pay them.

(tongue in cheek)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

http://www.camerahouse.com.au/blog/index.php/samsung-nx1-debut/

One can put phase detectors to the edge of the sensor, but the question is whether they actually work when so far off center...
Samsung has no lenses comnpared to Canon and do any of their snesors have good IQ? Specs looks fantastic but I would hope people on here know better than buying based on specs.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Shugetsu

Samsung’s NX1 camera is ready to capture life as it happens. Thanks to 205 phase-detection points and 209 contrast-detection points, the NX AF System III covers an incredible 90% of the sensor area. This super-wide AF area is superior to those in digital SLRs. With 15 frames-per-second (fps) capture speed, it can track and capture moments that you don’t even see coming. This isn’t for a short burst, either. Up to 70 full resolution JPEG images can be captured at a time,
so beats canon out the park they better go back to the drawing board

Sep 25, 2014permalink

Zerixos

Great to see that Canon is getting back on track again.A aps-c with 10fps, its really is something some users where waiting for, and some Nikon users still waiting for there D400 might just jump ship! I hoped Nikon would come with something like this but instead they came with a D750. 7DmkII closes Canon's market as it should.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

white shadow

@ Zerixos

Nikon is late in the full frame DSLR market. They were focusing on their APS-C for too long while Canon was already in the full frame market. It looks like they are going all out to try dominate it, thus, the D750. The D400 may never come. That's good for Canon.

Sep 24, 2014permalink

BeaniePic

Thank you Canon for making a Camera that will do the job it's designed to do. As for not having a Vari-Angle Touch Screen I get it. This camera will be used by Sports and Wildlife Photographers who shoot in all types of harsh situations. If there was a Vari-Angle Touch screen on this it probably would have issues with letting in moisture and also affecting the Touch Screen. I wish the Spec lead photographers would think before making comments. And as for Mirrorless, well I wont go there again as I've already made my statement on that...

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Eelco van Vliet

Unlike most of the other moaners, pixel-peepers and spec junkies that has flooded this site. I still use a 40D and I am actually using it what Canon intended it for. Taking pictures...

Although the 40D might look like a dinosaur to most of us, it still manages to do a great job, as well as my 10D did before. So in short the 40D will soon be on sale as the 7DmkII ticks all the boxes for me.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Naveed Akhtar

agree with you .. 40D is the excellent camera after which Canon started losing the track.

Another friend of mine got 40D and she is extremely happy with it. But this also tells what little Canon did after it. I don't think any of the Canon APSC DSLR after that improved on IQ dpt. even though it's the biggest complain!!

Sep 23, 2014permalink

badi

Naveed, his point is not that specifically the 40D was a great camera and next models not so (by the way, i still use a 50D, and i can say the same - it was and still is a great photo camera).

What he means, is that if you take real photos and not shoot test images, if you enjoy/work photography and not pixel peeping, it is more important that the camera fits your needs and not have some 3.7% advantage in some chart comparison of some professional comparison.... you got the idea :)

Sep 23, 2014permalink

olypan

No, the 7DmkII looks like a dinosaur to most of us.

Sep 23, 2014permalink

Eelco van Vliet

Olypan, no gear listed, no submitted photo's and no reviews. You made my point exactly clear....

Sep 23, 2014permalink