Fujifilm X-T3 is three-time winner in our updated buying guides

Gosh so tempting. at that price

I'd wager an A7ii with a $1200 lens would could be a better tool for some things than the similarly priced A7iii with a kit lens.......

3 days agopermalink

wy2lam

Does the A7ii has a silent shutter?
Just saying. Sometimes 1/32000 is quite useful.

3 days ago*permalink

Not really a winner in all 3 so the title is misleading. It’s two first and a second.

4 days agopermalink

Unfortunately this is "par for the course" with dpreviews click bait titles these days.

Another example is the recent lens roundup titled "best lens" then when you read the comments it's the best bang for the buck lens so not even close to the best.

3 days ago*permalink

dpreview: You claim to have updated the buying guides but they are a total mess as you are not tracking current MSRPs (let alone street costs.).

The only way the XT-3 makes the $1000-$1500 buying guide is because you put it on that guide based on the price without lens ($1499). But the only way other cameras make the same list is because you are using the price of the camera with lens (the pentax, olympus, some of the canons etc)

At the extreme is the Canon M5 Currently selling (body only) for $579 from canon USA with a MSRP of $979. Either price would exclude it from the $1000-1500 guide but given the street prices you are grouping a $579 camera with a $1499 camera; a totally useless comparison to most of your readers.

Yeah it's hard to track street prices, but given you update these guides for xmas they should at the minimum accurately contain cameras based on the end-of year MSRP, and consistently be based on with kit lens prices or w/o lens prices

4 days ago*permalink

Richard Butler

We base our buying guides on launch price because that gives the clearest indication of where a model is intended to sit in each company's lineup and the market as a whole. The alternative would be recommending cameras against wildly mis-matched peers just because they're being flogged-off cheap at the end of their product cycles (then annoying anyone in a country where they're not yet discounted or have already run out).

Basically there are downsides to every way of categorising cameras, especially when it comes to price.

However, I agree it's important to be consistent. We'll check our categorisation.

4 days agopermalink

Hi Richard. Wouldn't it make more sense to use current pricing rather than launch. For example, a potential buyer of the X-T3 or any other new camera isn't considering competitors at the launch price, they look at the now. They don't care if the launch price was $10,000, if the current price is the same as the X-T3, that is what is important.

3 days agopermalink

photofisher

Richard, product life is considerably longer than it was even 3 years ago. Many manufacturers are now doing what Sony does......they don’t discontinue older models, they just lower the price. I really think that you should change your methods to current MSRP to reflect this change in the industry. It would match more accurately what both consumers and manufacturers view as the competition for a given model, which is the whole point of these buying guides.

2 days agopermalink

> product life is considerably longer

Exactly. For example sony still lists the A7 as a current model with a body price of $800 and the A7II with a body MSRP of $1300. But neither are mentioned in the below $1000 or below $1500 guides.

If you think about it that's fairly incredible a new, current full frame camera for $800? (and who knows how low it will go with holiday pricing).

1 day agopermalink

Mr PapaBear

That X-T3 is very tempting. I wish their F2.8 zoom was 200mm instead of 140mm though. It is a 210mm F4.3 equivalent zoom (1.21 stop difference between apsc and ff).

But the 100-400mm F/5.6 looks appealing. If the X-H2 is as good with IBIS. I might not be able to pass it up.

4 days agopermalink

Richard Butler

In fairness, there's a historical precedent to suggest 75-210mm equiv is a range that people find useful.

4 days agopermalink

I own the 50-140 and 100-400 and both are wonderful pieces of glass. Also, the OIS in these lenses is very good.

2 days agopermalink

Best for events? Seriously? Do you even shoot events? Do you understand the importance of battery life at events, and how the X-T3 doesn’t have it?

Do you just fish these titles out of never never land?

4 days agopermalink

LightPriority

Battery grip? Couple of spares in your pocket? It takes seconds to change them.

4 days agopermalink

Banh Mi

I shoot many events and never miss any moment with Sony A6500 / A6000.
LOL. Battery is small, and take me second to change them. Also, shooting events, u are already know all the schedule and what will happening already. With the lightweight of mirrorless , I can stand more than 8 - 10 hours no issue. Unless someone is a noob on events shooting, then grab a canon and go home, spend like 7 days editing their photos. LOL. DSLR can't even spot the face focus, and auto adjust / increase shadow / light when backlit behind subject. The only reason I use Sony on Events is backlit light on event, I need the face of my subject brighter automatic, and I don't want go home and spend 1000 hours edit.
P/S: I had shoot fujifilm X-T10 in the past, and turn it 's also nice, when choosing film color mode, go home and just copy JPG, send to client. Colors are perfect.

4 days ago*permalink

I have an A6000 and it's a total PITA keeping multiple batteries charged and juggling them while shooting.

The fact that you put up with it is fine, but don't pretend short battery life is a non-issue.

4 days agopermalink

Battery grip is fine but it adds extra weight and if you are an event photographer doing long events, that’s not fun, hence the reason so many event photographers use the D750 over the D5. As for the batteries, that’s great in theory but it comes at a price, you have to keep track of which have and haven’t been used, and you have to keep them charged. Then you add in the cost of your battery grip and twice as many batteries as the A7 and suddenly the X-T3 isn’t all that cheap.

4 days agopermalink

I shoot events.

My A9 and XT2 easily go through a 2 hour show, with about 6-7k images, on a single battery. I don't chimp while I shoot.

My only gripes are that sometimes these cameras get hot, and it's the battery compartment area where the heat appears to accumulate in.

4 days agopermalink

arjunmehta

It’s one of the few cameras available with always-on USBC power delivery (18W). Meaning you can hook up an external 20000 mAH battery to it kept in a pouch and have nearly unending power.

Most cameras with USB charging can only charge when the camera is off.

3 days agopermalink

myfujilife, then stick with the Sony system. The battery life bitching is getting very old. I carry multiple batteries with my Fujifilm cameras. What a concept!

3 days agopermalink

Racin06, thanks. You just proved my point.

You have to carry "multiple", which are more costly than Sony's battery, despite Sony having twice the battery capacity, so you have to buy twice as many. And Sony still managed to fit a full frame sensor, ibis and a battery with twice the capacity in a camera the size of the xt3 which had a smaller sensor, no ibis and half the battery. The Fujifilm battery hasn't changed since the xt2 and yet fujifilm uses it across multiple models so the economy of scale means it should be dirt cheap, but it isn't. It's damn expensive and fujifilm continue to rip off their customers.

But you continue to support that from fujifilm. I believe they have a term for that.

3 days agopermalink

Yes, the term being a very satisfied Fujifilm shooter for two years now. Also, $65.00 per battery is a fair price to me, in which I have no problem paying.

3 days ago*permalink

You can buy 6 third party batteries for the price of one Fujifilm battery. Fujifilm must love people like you. You're so easy to satisfy you'd buy stale bread for twice the price and be happy.

3 days agopermalink

LOL this site has now degraded into battery arguments?
Maybe we should call it dpbreview.com

2 days agopermalink

myfujilife, I would never purchase POS third-party batteries. Nothing but the best for me.

2 days ago*permalink

Relaxed, you made me laugh with that comment!

2 days agopermalink

entoman

Haha, so now all the dicks who say you are biased in favour of Sony, Nikon, Canon or Pentax will be claiming you are owned by Fujifilm....

4 days agopermalink

bladerunner6

I can honestly say they seem to favor some brands, including Fuji and they absolutely show a bias against Pentax.

It has been nine years since Pentax introduced Composition Adjustment and seven years since Astrotracer and never a review.

4 days agopermalink

bladerunner6

But I will say they are getting hot and bothered over Fuji lately.

4 days agopermalink

Aleks7

well deserved, sweet camera for APS-C

4 days agopermalink

beavertown

Best aps c system that is better than some FFs.

5 days agopermalink

nimo_or

Which FF you are talking about here ?

Full frame sensor with comparatively less number of pixels ( 20 MP in 6D) offer big pixel size and so better low light capability and DR.
Has this fact been changed or challenged by Fuji? 😯

4 days ago*permalink

len_streets

nimo_or,
That's it? All that matters?

4 days agopermalink

nimo_or

@len-streets,

Not yet.

4 days agopermalink

larkhon

Pff... last time I was arguing about the lower pixel density it got heated and I had to concede that it doesn't matter that much anymore. Between a 42mp A7r III and a 20mp Canon 6D, the technology in the A7r III is compensating for the smaller pixel size, and if we compare them at the same resolution it is again an advantage for the A7r.

Now, I can only say, I've shot again with the A7 II last weekend and to me there's not the same difference with my X-H1 I had with previous Fuji cameras, at least not in perceived sharpness/resolution.

4 days agopermalink

It's a flaw to say better than full frame. Full frame will always have better low light and dynamic range given the same megapixels. The question isn't whether it's better than full frame, but rather whether it's "good enough" and that it has been for years already

3 days agopermalink

larkhon

just for the sake of arguing I don't agree. One might argue that X-T3 is better than Canon 5D for instance. It's not only about sensor size alone or even pixel density.

That being said, a way to read your comment would be "do I need FF? if FF is better is it worth the price for the kind of photography I chose?"

2 days agopermalink

I think if you compare full frame to APSC, you can't compare selectively because there are always going to be good systems and bad systems, good dynamic range, bad dynamic range, outdated systems due for replacement etc. At any point in time, a brand new system is going to be better than other systems that haven't been outdated. Personally I always think it's better to test the best of the best, for same genre obviously, so not comparing a D5 with an X-T3, maybe maybe the D750, A7iii, and other 24MP-30MP sensors.

That said, the X-T3 doesn't have to be better than full frame. The X-T2 was good enough to be a pro camera, so obviously the X-T3 is and the majority of photographers aren't constrained by APSC, they are constrained by their own skill and their egos tell them the full frame part makes a difference.

2 days agopermalink

larkhon

yes, of course, what I meant to say was that it's not wrong to say that those X-T2/X-T3 are better than some FF cameras (what was claimed above, not all FF but some). Does it matter? for some probably but as you mentioned those cameras are good enough for most people.

2 hours agopermalink

PostModernBloke

Damn, here we go with the "buying guides" on a review site.

Christmas must be coming, and another 20 or 30 "buying guides" doubtless on their way to show us the way to the checkout. 'Tis the season & all that...

5 days ago*permalink

The Fat Fish

It's cameras like XT-3 that make APS-C cameras more appealing that cameras like the EOS R make full frame.

5 days agopermalink

Each their own. If given an XT3 I would sell it that day and buy an ancient 6D instead. And given the price of an XT3, a 24-70/4L and 70-200/4L with it.

5 days agopermalink

lotzi

Geerlings,
I assume that you see some kind of performance advantage for the 6D on some dimension. What would that be?
---
Sorry, I have seen your other comments below - if I understand correctly, you argue that the still image quality is better. That doesn't show up for me in the dpreview compare between the XT3 and 6D, but ok.

4 days ago*permalink

The Fat Fish

I own the original 6D and it's a fantastic camera. My issue is 6 years later and there's still no compelling upgrade from Canon.

4 days agopermalink

You are basing image quality of a camera on the DPR Compare Tool. Why not talk about some MFT charts and some DXO scores, next? (yes, I realize XTrans has no tested sensors).

Instead, try to compare a few hundred of the best landscapes you can find from each camera. Maybe you'll disagree, but when I compare a XT3 (or any Fuji) search and a 6D search on flickr, one of the cameras is compelling to me, and the other is not.

Do the majority of photographers still using a Canon FF have bad eyes that simply can't see flaws the test charts can point out? Or that numbers and test chart images aren't representative of real life image quality?

As far as the lack of compelling upgrade - I agree completely. I really wish Canon would release another FF with their old sensor design, but alas.

4 days agopermalink

The Fat Fish

I recommend looking up the work of Andy Mumford who is a fantastic photographer producing work with a Fuji camera. He does that because he’s a great photographer and the gear doesn’t matter.

My work has changed over the past few years and I require a hybrid stills/video camera. Canon simply don’t make one that’s suitable but the Fuji X-T3 very much is. I also worry about investing more in a brand that with each release becomes less and less competitive. Long gone are the days of the 5DII, 550D and 6D. Now Canon cripple and segment as much as they can with absolutely no desire to compete. That’s bad for the consumer.

4 days agopermalink

Sergey Borachev

Olympus, Panasonic and also Sony saw the X-T3 coming and did not bother releasing anything in this enthusiast category. 😉

Well done Fuji! Can't wait to see the review of the XF 8-16mm f/2.8. 👏👏👏

5 days ago*permalink

AlexisH

I can understand the mention of Sony/Canon/Nikon, but not that of Olympus/Panasonic.

What exactly do you find in the T3 that you cannot find in Oly/Pana cameras and why do you think it's an essential feature for the enthusiast category?

5 days agopermalink

Craig from Nevada

@Sergey
I am curious to see a review to learn whether there is a reason to upgrade from the excellent 10-24mm other than 2mm at the wide end, 1 stop and some weather sealing.

5 days ago*permalink

Sergey Borachev

@Alexis, Way too many things to list. Larger sensor with 24MP, superior PDAF, much better IQ in both stills and video, a 3-way articulated screen that stays behind the body, ... ... ... ... and a very reasonable price of $1500. Read the review. The only thing lacking in the X-T3 is IBIS. If Fuji can add IBIS with all these features in the next X-T4, or X-H2, it's game over for M43.

5 days ago*permalink

Sergey Borachev

@Craig, That's enough justification to upgrade isn't it - "2mm at the wide end, 1 stop and some weather sealing"?

Those 2mm make a big difference, and from what I read from the early reviews (from ambassadors tho), the new lens has very low distortion. It's an intriguing lens, very expensive, and I wish Lenstip would be able to find a copy and review it.

5 days ago*permalink

Very reasonably priced $1500....?

I know it's old, but the 6D still obliterates anything Fuji (medium format aside) with L glass. Compared side by side on image searches, I can pick the FF every single time. For $1500 I could get a 6D and a full 24-200/4L IS coverage. Or a bare XT3 body.

Fuji does make great glass, but the fact it's MUCH more expensive than L glass... why? Less glass and a smaller sensor for more money. Where do I sign up?!

5 days agopermalink

Dexter75

Dont fret, the a7000 (or whatever it will be called) is coming early next year and is expected to top the XT-3. Should be interesting.

5 days agopermalink

AlexisH

@Sergey: I wouldn't upgrade for those features that you enumerated, much less change systems.

But maybe by enthusiast category you meant those people that get enthusiastic after reading about cameras? I don't belong to that category.

5 days agopermalink

3pgrey

@geerlings

If I was buying into a system that wasn't going to cost an arm and a leg, and be enjoyable to shoot and had the lenses I needed I'd go Fuji. They've got a nice range from pancake to telephoto and some great portrait lenses. I wouldn't buy a 6d because then I'd have to spend x4 the price of the body on every lens to justify... full frame?

4 days agopermalink

Craig from Nevada

@Sergey:
'That's enough justification to upgrade isn't it - "2mm at the wide end, 1 stop and some weather sealing"?'

The key selling point here is the low distortion throughout the 8-16mm range. This will determine if people are willing to pay the premium.

4 days agopermalink

M Chambers

The Nikon zealots on this thread are very offended.

5 days agopermalink

True, because XT3 IQ is better that the Z7. LOL

5 days agopermalink

entoman

People who end their messages with "LOL" tend to be plonkers. Try finding something intelligent or constructive to say, and prove me wrong.

4 days agopermalink

mgblack74

Nope. Fuji is a great system. You're more likely to hear objection from the FF crowd.

4 days agopermalink

photofisher

@entoman

LOL

2 days agopermalink

entoman

photofisher :-)

2 days ago*permalink

Oh no, now I have to sell all my equipment AGAIN and move to Fuji.

5 days agopermalink

Mateus1

Three serious issues:

1. Freezing - even with new firmware and different cards. Fuji is not able to fix it right.
2. Week battery - for video you need extra 4-5 ones.
3. More PP work to set colours pleasant for skin tones vs X-T1/2 (awful purple)

5 days ago*permalink

Week battery: If my camera battery lasted a week, I'd be quite satisfied. ;-)

5 days agopermalink

Mateus1

Weak of course.

5 days agopermalink

None of the 3 issues there.

well, of course, video recording requires a lot of power. Nothing surprising..

5 days agopermalink

Same with me, I've experienced none of these issues with my X-T3. Also, the needing 4 or 5 batteries to shoot video...what does that mean? It all depends on what and how long you will be shooting. I shot video (4k 60P) with my X-T3 of every play of an entire college football game and expended 1 and 3/4 batteries. Yes, shooting video is power intensive. I currently own 6 Fujiiflm batteries for my X-T3. All of this BS talk about battery life is just a bunch of bellyaching. Get over it and buy multiple batteries or don't invest in the Fujifilm system.

5 days ago*permalink

dabhand

@racin06 - too true - doesn't matter what system one is using - to use (most of) your words, people and reviewers should "Get over it and buy multiple batteries or don't invest in the XXXXX system".

5 days agopermalink

Nas from the Valley

@Mateus1
1. A7III freezes, A7RIII freezes as well, Nikon freezes which camera doesn't freeze?
2. All mirrorless cameras have the same battery + who would record more than 2 hours constantly??
3. What are you talking about?? Fuji has the bets colors I handle Fuji RAW files without any issue on LR and CaptureOne.

What a stupid arguments you say just to prove to yourself that you want to hate that camera because you can't accept that Fuji made better camera than yours.

5 days agopermalink

Strolic Furlan

Canon EOS 6D does not freeze, believe me.

5 days agopermalink

Lenses that need to be updates is another issue.

5 days agopermalink

@TogLife: Obviously not an issue from the camera.. :-P

4 days agopermalink

Nas from the Valley

People want to hate on Fuji so bad that they say stupid things like lens caps are ugly therefore the camera is bad lol

4 days agopermalink

Nas, the Sony’s battery is twice the capacity of the Fujifilm. To say all mirrorless have the same battery is an outright lie. 710 CIPA on the A7 Vs 350 on the X-T3

4 days agopermalink

ales82

2. Week battery - for video you need extra 4-5 ones.

Video on any camera requires a lot of power. And the more the professional video you are aiming at, the more power needs you have to account for: it's almost an exponential increase. Just imagine the power needed to feed 48V phantom power to professional mics or the power needed to light a set up.

2 days ago*permalink

KCook

- 'people and events'

I guess event photographers no longer need flash??? TTL choices for Fuji are almost non-existent.

5 days agopermalink

imagei

Check again. This was true several years ago. On top of brand-specific solutions if you want cross-platform you can go Cactus and use pretty much any flash.

5 days agopermalink

seacow2001

I believe goddox and flashpoint have some fuji trigger options with ttl and has. It is compatible with all their strobes.

5 days agopermalink

FJWoods

NISSIN has had TTL for some years now, and ELINCHROM now support Fuji for HSS and (I believe) TTL with their smaller, portable flash system.

5 days agopermalink

Hähnel works great here.

5 days agopermalink

lazerbean

You forgot to do your homework before posting. Only occasional need for flash during events with modern cameras, and Fuji is well covered these days with TTL flash support from themselves, Godox, Profoto, Nissin and possibly more.

5 days agopermalink

noshea

Meike also works, even if it's not a Fuji-specific one i.e. not TTL.

4 days agopermalink

Do you shoot much flash? If you did, you would know that fuji’s TTL is VERY immature. You cannot control settings on whether you want TTL to do fill or ambient. With Nikon an example, if you set the metering to spot, it only does flash for fill, if you set it to matrix it does flash for ambient. This is one of the reasons why you have to set the ISO manually on Fujifilm, where with Sony, Nikon etc you can leave it on auto ISO. In short, yes it has TTL but it’s TTL is terrible compared to the competitors on the market.

4 days ago*permalink

The Jimmy 86

You shouldn't be using ttl anyways.

4 days agopermalink

Lol. Just because Fuji’s TTL is crap doesn’t mean the rest of the market shouldn’t use it. Wedding photographers have been using TTL for years. Outdoor shooters have been using it for years. I shot an entire prototype softbox in TTL in bright changing sunlight. Profoto implemented TTL on their pro gear for a reason.

4 days agopermalink

The Jimmy 86

@myfujilife I shoot nikon for work with SB910s, and I still don't trust TTL. I'll make my own flash choices thanks. Therefore, fuji's TTL failings mean nothing to me.

2 days agopermalink

Great. I’m sure you have fun metering between each photo while you’re at it. TTL works and has worked for ages.

2 days agopermalink

Don Mario

go fuji! and don't forget about a rugged/ waterproof x100!

5 days agopermalink

Fidibus

Where light is - there is shadow. And so I have a little rant about my otherwise very pleasing X-T3. Its about the USB 3.0 C cable. Fuji has a socket for transferring data to your PC, in my case iMac, which can also be used for charging the battery. So good! But why on earth did they not include the cable for it? I ordered one via -bay which was the wrong one, since it can be mixed up with the bigger plug for USB 3.0 hard drives. Now I have the right one and find it very useful.
One can say that Fuji wants as to transfer our photos wireless, which can easily be done to your smartphone or table. But has someone ever tried to transfer photos via "PC Autosave"? What a fiddly, complicated task and once you succeed its sooo slow. So why not include the right cable??
Just a little rant for the otherwise gorgeous camera.

5 days ago*permalink

Aaron801

I've never bothered transferring images onto my computer since my very first digital camera, before I learned that it could be done much more efficiently by moving the card. With any other camera I've had since then, that cord has sat in a drawer...

For charging though (I've never owned a camera with USB charging), I could see it being useful. I always like to have a few batteries charged up and that way one or two could be sitting in chargers and the other charged in-camera. Nice too if you forget or loose your charger on a trip.

5 days agopermalink

Aaron801

5 days agopermalink

Fidibus

Using the SD card for transferring depends on where your slot is on your computer. I find it rather inconvenient to always fiddle the card on the nearside of my mac. So I got accustomed to using a USB cord.

5 days agopermalink

black pearl

It is becoming quite common for cameras to come without USB cables (at least Fujifilm supply a handbook) as few people ever use them. The one for my other X bodies are still in the boxes.

5 days agopermalink

Fidibus

What has become quite common is not necessarily user friendly. Besides my Fuji XT20 had a cable.

5 days agopermalink

Richandhiscat

"which can easily be done to your smartphone or table"

I transferred photo's to my table, but it was fiddly, I had to get them printed first....

5 days agopermalink

taruaS

Why not rant against Apple who no longer include an SD card slot in their newer imacs? I still use my imac from 2010 using OS 10.6.8. They have gone downhill since this benchmark.

5 days agopermalink

https://camerasize.com/compare/#800,777

"Using the SD card for transferring depends on where your slot is on your computer."

Actually quite a valid point. I use a small card reader with a USB cord as a solution.

5 days agopermalink

oscarvdvelde

With the cable you can also use Fuji X Raw Studio to use the in-camera raw conversion from your PC or laptop.

3 days agopermalink

Nikoncanonfan

Such a pity it's not full frame...

5 days agopermalink

io_bg

That's what makes it so great.

5 days agopermalink

davesurrey

No, that's what makes it so small. ;-)

5 days agopermalink

Nikoncanonfan

I LIKE the look of it, it’s just got a small sensor and the GFX is tricky to use needing great discipline. It’s like Fuji is deliberately self harming it’s products and sales potential

5 days agopermalink

BlueBomberTurbo

@davesurrey

"No, that's what makes it so small. ;-)"

Huh?

5 days agopermalink

davesurrey

@BlueBomberTurbo,
I guess that in your rush to hit the keyboard you failed to notice my smiley at the end of the post ie it was to be taken tongue in cheek. A light hearted comment.
Oh well!

Also I've no desire either to play any comparison size games which usually end up by selecting cameras that "prove" one's point.

5 days ago*permalink

BlueBomberTurbo

Good thing that ALL Sony FF mirrorless is the same size. ;)

5 days agopermalink

FF is not the ultimate solution for everybody. APS-C will always have its place as a very good compromise between cost and quality, if you choose carefully. Most people don't really need any better quality than APS-C and good lens can provide.

5 days agopermalink

lazerbean

I kind of agree, although I understand why Fuji did what they did and it is probably the right strategy, and I love what they are doing, but just because I so much love their cameras and lenses I just can't help thinking that a Fujifilm FF line of cameras could be just perfect. I still think it is a future possibility, once the X and GFX lines are mature and Fujifilm has become an even more established cameramaker.

5 days agopermalink

ekaton

Size matters. A sensor surface of 368 square millimeters compares unfavourably to FF's 860 square millimeters. The laws of physics apply, even to Fuji.

3 days agopermalink

NickyB66

Fujifilm makes some excellent, all round cameras these days. I have an X Pro with a few X prime lenses and they are excellent. Thought about the XT3, but will await for the X Pro 2, as sorts and fast action focus are not my thing.

5 days agopermalink

The XPro2 has been our for years.
You want the XPro3.

5 days agopermalink

dscobie62

No need to wait for an X Pro2 it's been out for approx. 2 years. I assume you mean a possible X Pro 3?

5 days agopermalink

LMAO. Is this you Patrick?

5 days agopermalink

HB1969

xpro1 released 2012, xpro2 released 2016....if the trend continues, we may not see an xpro3 until 2020.

4 days agopermalink

Geekapoo

Dpreview.com was "spot on" with the D750 (loved it) and again nail it with the XT3. It is a wonderful camera.

5 days agopermalink

semorg

X-T3 has a bad reliability issue.

At least according to a thread on the EOSHD. Users are seeing multiple failure only just after a month.

I’m curious if others are seeing a similar issues?

5 days agopermalink

panther fan

Well the X-T1 and X-T2 didn't have a stellar reputation, and for the X-T3 the production moved to china.
That said Fuji services seems good if your model is affected and without any hard data we cannot say how large the problem really is. Could also just be overblown

5 days agopermalink

FuhTeng

The threads on the X forum was why I kept my Z6 pre-order. random freezing, purple pictures, random other bugs? Sheesh.

5 days agopermalink

So far, no issue with the 1.5 year old X-T20 and with the new X-T3.

I just dislike the frond sync connector..

Regards

5 days agopermalink

User8796835794

People here talk as if Fuji is the only one with issues from time to time. Surely Nikon had no oily shutter problem? Sony had no star eating problems, ovedrheating.? etc etc etc. theres tons of examples.

5 days agopermalink

Tom_A

Re: comments about the grip. I have the xt2 which I believe is ergonomically similar. The small grip is sufficient to me. But, for people who prefer a bigger grip, Fuji offers an accessory with a bigger grip.

5 days agopermalink

Androole

I understand the idea of accessory grips - I use a hotshoe thumb grip on my GX7 to simulate a much larger grip - but they always seem like an iffy compromise to me. You're taking space that could be very usefully taken advantage of to incorporate a larger battery, better heat dissipation, extra cards or I/O ports, or additional circuitry and instead filling it with a dumb hunk of metal and plastic.

Ergonomics are a very valid reason for adding that dumb hunk of material. And reduced size for cramming your camera with a pancake lens into a purse on a night out is a great argument for NOT having the prominent front grip in the first place. But I feel like there has to be a better way.

Maybe an even slimmer, perfectly flat front with no grip (and thinner battery to match), and an accessory front grip that could incorporate a 2nd identical battery in it, as well as providing really good ergonomics?

5 days agopermalink

Tom_A

But ergonomics depend on hand size. For my average hands the xt2 is ergonomic. Trump with his small hands might find a big grip unergonomic.

4 days agopermalink

Androole

I think I have relatively small hands, and don't consider any Fuji other than the X-H1 to be ergonomic in the hands without add-on accessories.

The reason the hotshoe thumb grip on the GX7 works is because it gives me a new handhold that is displaced upwards by 1" and back by 1/2," giving a lot of leverage and allowing me to move my whole grip upwards so that my pinky doesn't fall off the bottom. In effect, it simulates a prominent - both deep and tall - front grip.

Without a very prominent front grip, or a very prominent hook-like thumb grip on the back, none of these small-ish, short-ish mirrorless cameras are really very nice to hold with lenses that weigh more than, say, ~200g.

Just my opinion, though, albeit one supported by experience as an industrial designer. The Camera Ergonomics blog would also support this perspective.

4 days ago*permalink

User9362470513

DPR certainly has a love affair with this camera.

has the grip changed much since the XT1? I bought the XT1 and hated the small grip and with the shutter button on the top of the camera, it meant stretching the forefinger back to release the shutter. I couldn't find a comfortable way to hold the camera and took it back. I also thought the AF was awfully slow, but understand that has improved immensely since.

5 days agopermalink

otto k

Awkward - article about Fuji camera ends with (on mobile at least) a link to the lens buying guide, but with no Fuji... Or R/Z/m43...
You need to step up your game before the shopping season starts.

5 days agopermalink

Mariano Pacifico

Now that Fujifilm garnered three time winner in buying guides .... I am now confident of my photos. See, photo viewing is actually more about psychology despite objective findings.

I did a scientific test on how people react to pictures.

I put up a picture absent of camera brand, another picture with lesser known China brand, another with Leica and another picture with Canon and Lens brand including aperture and speed ... and those techie thingie ordinary viewers cannot know what those numbers are ... Guess which picture garnered the most votes ...

Pictures that garnered the most votes are those pictures with the most expensive camera first, 2nd to the last was unbranded picture and the last of the last picture branded with China-made camera.

5 days agopermalink

Just watermark your images with DPreview’s camera score... :)

5 days agopermalink

kodachromeguy

So funny, Mariano. The perception of owning a "winner" is why so many of the pseudo photographers here spend hours arguing about whether the new brand XYZ camera is silver or gold or "deserves" it's score of 89%, and on and on. But then they complain that the XYZ only has "outrageous" or "ridiculous" lenses. Sigh.....

5 days agopermalink

So the cheapest solution is to just tell people you used a Leica when showing them your pictures.

5 days agopermalink

FuhTeng

Cue fanboys mad that it's not the winner for EVERY category - best point and shoot, best camera over $2,000, best astrophotography camera, best sports camera, best coffee maker.

5 days agopermalink

panther fan

Probably also best drone ... :D

5 days agopermalink

otto k

If you throw it just right

5 days agopermalink

Aaron801

It slices and dices!

5 days agopermalink

... a hole in your pocket!

5 days agopermalink

a user

With 18-55 (cheapest kit lens option) it has pretty much the same cost as full-frame D750 with 24-120... But is it as good? (excl. video ofc)

5 days agopermalink

badi

depends ...
For once you had to say "video excluded", so that is a one big win for the T3.
On IQ alone, i think the nikon lens is better, and coupled with the larger sensor it clearly has a better output fie. A big win for nikon here.
But on every day use, i would chose the T3 every day - smaller package, what is now a beautifully focusing machine and as responsive a DSLR. The responsiveness and AF speed were my main problems in miror-less compared with DSLRs.
Also Nikon wins on the battery life, but Fuji on the dual slot card :))

5 days agopermalink

coolguy4747

(for the record, D750 also has two card slots)

5 days agopermalink

badi

tx for the correction!

5 days agopermalink

Yes, the XT3 beats the D750. Especially when you take XF lenses into account.

5 days agopermalink

Serban Claudiu

Keep dreaming. What lens has Fuji equivalent to Nikon AF-S Nikkor 800mm f/5.6E FL ED VR?

5 days agopermalink

better than the D750? I can't XD

5 days agopermalink

There are a million combinations better.

$1500 -
6D + 24-105/4L + 70-200/4L
EOS M5 + 11-22 IS + 28 IS Macro + 55-200 IS + 32/1.4
Sigma DP1 Merrill, DP2 Merrill, DP3 Merrill, and $150+ spare for a P&S

Just a few examples of what could replace an XT3 bare body kit.

I mean to be fair I feel this way toward most brand new cameras. I can get them used a year later for 65% the price. But even that aside... I would take any of the 3 combos listed over an XT3 body.

5 days agopermalink

I don’t care about the 800mm. I wonder how many people care about that focal length anyway.

As a camera body, the XT3 beats the D750 hands down.

5 days agopermalink

Serban Claudiu

For what is good 800mm lens? Pro shooting soccer, wildlife pictures, for better compression...

4 days agopermalink

HB1969

@ Geerling: I'm calling BS on your claim that a 6D+ 2 lenses is cheaper than the XT3
NOWHERE can I find the canon combo for less than 3200AUD (approx 2200USD).
I would checked out your other claims but you lost credibility on the first one.
Secondly, you've chosen to compare old camera models with one that's just released. Why not compare the XT1 price with your other options in that case.

4 days agopermalink

princecody

No Real Grip? No IBIS? No buy!

5 days agopermalink

photomedium

For the year, can we return to the era of absolutes have a single category and a single winner and call the XT3 the best camera of 2018?

I don't care about the other categories such as what the best camera that can't autofocus is, or the best camera with the worst 4K cropping or the best weather sealed camera with the most banding artifacts, or the best camera with the worst ergonomics etc etc.

5 days agopermalink

Androole

But the A7 III is a better camera in many ways, so I don't think that single category would turn out how you're hoping...

5 days agopermalink

panther fan

The categories make sense.

For example there are 5 on price: 500 / 1000 / 1500 / 2000 / over 2000
Why should we compare 500$ cameras to 2000$ cameras in the same category?

Cameras also differ vastly in capability across fields. Seperating landscape, sport, video etc... makes a ton of sense. There is not a single camera best in all of them

5 days ago*permalink

photomedium

Panther, the categories grading is one of those things that work 50% of the time, everytime.
It involves more math but there used to be a parameter called price/performance ratio. That now has been supplanted by the 'target audience' concept, basically brand boytoys will buy whatever they like, money is made in the process, no feathers are ruffled by the reviewers and everyone is happy.
Call me old fashion but sometimes life requires more than a finisher's medal.
I think the XT3 is that product for 2018.

5 days agopermalink

photomedium

Androole,
Aw shucks! I got confused I thought both the A7III and A7RIII came out in late 2017. ;-)
Well then it is a deathmatch between the A7III and the XT3, I am fine with that as long as a winner is picked.

5 days agopermalink

Carol T

I wouldn't vote for it as best camera.

5 days agopermalink

ADW59

Is there such a thing as ‘the best camera’ yes we can compare specs but it’s how easily an individual can use it to get the best result. I am a Fuji user and really like the whole system but it just works for me. I have friends with canon, Nikon etc and they are equally happy. Concentrate on the end result and you’ll enjoy using any camera

5 days agopermalink