John,
How is your experience with landscape shooting on a6000? What lenses do you use?
I am currently using Sony SLT and is moving towards mirrorless. I am either looking at a6300/6500 or going up to FF with a7ii. My main subjects are nature and landscape photography.

Hi,

I use a a6000 and i love landscapes. Personally, I am thinking about switching to FF from APSC. Wide angle lenses are somewhat limited and FF can just capture more light.

Main reason to go to the a6xxx series are action shots, though of course they perform more than good on street, landscape, portrait shots.

I agree the A7R II would be better for landscapes. The a6000-series cameras aren't bad, but landscape is not one of their strong points (people do use them for landscape, but the A7R II would be better if your budget allows it. The a6000-series, in my opinion, is for people who want a walk-around camera for things like street photography, or for things other than landscape and astro photography, as it's good enough for pretty much everything else.

Tomkalsjo
I use mostly the SonyZeiess 16-70 and the Sony 35/1.8. I like the results on the A6000 but would like to improve resolution so I can confidently print larger prints, i.e. 24x30".

The A6500 is an exciting new product which should have been put on the market 2 years ago. I suspect that recent management changes at Sony may have resulted in new decisions about the future of the NEX-type APS-C cameras. All is good.

@Mike Geir:
You think that 5-axis stabilization on the A6500 is useless? Try telling that to anyone with an Olympus OMD model.
Many e-mount lenses do NOT have OSS. And of course none of the manual or adopted lenses except for Sony A-mount, have OSS.

Some examples of the Sony Zeiss 24-70/4 were defective. Poor in-house quality control. A traditional problem with some of their factories, and sadly, Zeiss was not in charge. Maybe the sample is better these days. A very inexpensive and reliable alternative is the FE 28-70 kit lems.

I love my Zeiss 16-70, but I agree we need some more stellar APC lenses.

Ive bought and sold two sub standard copies of the 16-70 zeiss. Won't go near another until they up their quality control.

My question is really about the rolling shutter in the A6500, as the A6300 was just about the worst ever.

I have no idea how Fuji pulled it off, but generally speaking, rolling-shutter is affected by the sensor read-out rate. You may simply increase the read out speed, which would increase heat and noise, or you could decrease the amount of data, to decrease rolling shutter. Both Fuji and Sony are reading 6K or almost 6K and downsampling. This is a huge amount of data to read for each frame, hence the potential for high rolling shutter. I suppose if you crop heavily only the center at 1:1 you could decrease rolling shutter and this is exactly how Nikon tackled 4k.

Can u set image review to automatic zoom for all image?
so can check if image blur by hand shake

if can. would be a very useful feature

As a landscape photographer I am especially concern about DXO "color depth" score
That's how many color a sensor can capture, if one eye is sensitive look at how many shade of green in a real nature scene

80D vs A6300 color depth is 0.8 bits lower
dyanmic range 0.5 Ev lower

If one don't go full frame and use APS-C as compromise, than better get the best APS-C sensor

Sony maybe weak on lens but with metabone adapter can use EF lens and now with IS

There is still hope, maybe Canon can up the performance of M5 sensor compare with 80D

Although the A6500 should sell relatively well because of it's price point, I can tell you the A mount zealots were making a lot of noise over it's placement on the Amazon sales rankings and it's not even on the Top 100 of DSLR's anymore, forget about ILC's including mirrorless, just DSLR's.

So that means the A99 II is selling fewer units than used Canon XT's and XTI's, selling less than certain neck straps and even less than Olympus Evolt E620's! Seriously, how many people are looking at Amazon for used XT's? And the A99 II is selling significantly LESS than that. Sheesh.

I am looking at B&H/Home/Photography /Digital Cameras sorted by Best Sellers

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ns=p_POPULARITY%7c1&ci=9811&setNs=p_POPULARITY%7c1&N=4288586282&srtclk=sort

And in Amazon. Should have said mirrorless camera's. It is now # 6 though behind the highly discounted EM10 and other Sony A6000 and Sony A6300

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Mirrorless-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/3109924011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_4_12556502011

@Interestingness it seems your list is for established product that have been sold for years different than @JunzInc list that is for new products.

@bakanecko

Which list? @junzinc did give a link to a different best sellers list, thanks! I'd like to know how B&H comes up with that list. As you can see, the Canon Canon 5D III is still in 8th amongst numerous new releases. I can't believe Sony has sold more A6500's in a few days than say Nikon has sold D810's since release.

On Amazon link, it's updated hourly and models ebb and flow all day long. The 5D IV has been on the Top 10 since it was available AND it's the most expensive camera on the Top 100 DSLR list. The folks using low price as the reason some of the other cameras are on the list need to explain this one. A lot of other cameras have fallen, specifically the Sony A99 II did well for a few days and now it's yesterdays news and off the Top 100 of just DSLR's. Think about that - it's the flagship and it's below ONE HUNDRED new and used cameras in sales, that's shocking. The 5D III is also consistently up there and that's how old and still selling better than most.

Also on the Amazon lists, in fairness I'll link to just ILC camera's;

https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Interchangeable-Lens-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/12556502011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052

You can see Sony sells a lot of A6000 and A6300's, Nikon sells a lot of D3300 and D500's, Canon sells a lot of 5D IV, 5D III, T5i, 80D, T5, T6I and T6's and Olympus is hitting it out of the ballpark with the sale on the E-M10.

@Interestingness - The B&H list is not a cumulative list. I see it getting updated more than couple of times a day. It is similar to amazon best sellers list which is updated every hour. All it means is that people are placing pre-orders for the A6500 and in the last N hours that they update the list, the A6500 had more orders than any other camera on B&H except the 5D MIV

GX7 shoots at ISO 125, but fair enough...

@abortabort - Let me clarify, it's what I meant, not what I said ;)

Why does Sony cripple their latest and greatest, most expensive, TOP OF THE LINE E mount APS-C body?

"I suspect it has something to do with the fact that this is a particularly small APS-C body, that also had to have a redesigned shutter to accomodate the IBIS."

Does this mean the A6300 had a 1/8,000th shutter since it didn't have IBIS?

I happily use Canon, Sony, Panasonic etc. More fool anyone who misses out due to misplaced brand loyalty.

BBQue is kinda right. Just be careful about import duty/taxes/fees (they can add an extra 30% here in the UK), and make sure you check out the warranty situation before you buy. Grey market products often don't get decent warranty support. Sending things back to HK or Japan for warranty repair is slow and expensive.

Yes - I love in US so tjere is no import tax here. Dealer return warranty is 30 days, after that you are on your own. Just make sure the eBay store you order from has thousands or tenthoisands of positive feedback. These are big photo stores, just loke B&H in US and their shippong to West coast US is as fast as from NY.

Don't think IBIS would be much help for street photography. Most importantly are fast primes which will render IBIS unnecessary. Well unless you are into slower shutter speed to have that blurry people walking & vehicle movement effects.

Focal reducers were great fun before FF mirrorless cameras came out (I used to use one extensively on my NEX-6), but after the A7 series were released they lost their appeal to me. Why push the light through another piece of glass at the cost of image quality (some minor, some major) when you can just mount directly in front of a FF sensor?
(Even the cheaper A7ii (not R) has IBIS, and would likely offer better image quality despite being a 3 year old sensor, due to sensor size)

@abortabort
While all true, I don't think those adapting older manual lenses are necessarily the ones interested in out right speed. I use my A7 almost exclusively with manual m-mount lenses, when I need speed I pick up my A6000 /SEL1670. Two completely different beasts ;-)

@abortabort
Apologies, I didn't realise there were autofocus focal reducers available. The one I used was manual.

Fujifilm has a good section of f2.8 zooms, shoot with X mount. Or Samsung NX mount. If Sony wanted your business they would make f2.8 zooms for you. But they don't nor does EOS M so they don't want your business. Bye

What features of the 6300 are more desirable over the 6500?

So do you think it is worth buying an a6300 now for $400 less?

Personally I don't see $400 value in IBIS, 4K, and limited touchscreen support. The greater buffer is a good feature but I don't shoot very long Raw+JPG bursts so all the deeper buffer would do is make the camera ready to shoot a little sooner.

So I would rather spend the money on glass which would have a more meaningful impact on my photography, so yes I would buy the 6300 over the 6500. I would wait for the discounts on the 6300 which are bound to come now that it is such an inferior camera. :D

That makes sense.

So for you having the two cameras at the price difference works.

I'm a Fuji user so for me this is largely an academic discussion, but I think having the choice now is a good thing. Of course that doesn't help the people who would have waited on, and paid the premium for the 6500 had they known it was coming; for them this upgrade sucks.

Think about it this way, Sony still sells the older versions of the RX100 around for just this reason.

Who forced you to buy the a6300 if you weren't happy with the feature set?

Interesting Trek, good point about the SAR roadmap. Those 4K overheating issues that supposedly delayed the a6300 were never fixed (apparently ameliorated, but not fixed) until AFTER the camera came out, and even now people fuss about it. I think there's still a bit of a rush job, as in incomplete product, to the a6300, even if I find it minor now after the firmware update.

I believe you can select any AF point in an absolute way by touching it directly when you are not using the EVF (i.e. at arm's length or on a tripod).

It is only when you are using the EVF that you must swipe to move the AF point in a relative fashion.

My Panasonic works this way (though you have the choice of absolute vs. relative positioning while using the EVF) and it works very well indeed.

Well, the X-T2 has a joystick to move the focus point which can be more useful than touchscren.

It can also be less useful than a touchscreen...

The joystick is better in cold and wet weather when you're wearing gloves, but slower and less precise than the touchscreen in other conditions.

Interestingness, I am certain. Your interpretation is incorrect. Read the article again.

"you can now use the screen to quickly place an AF point, move your AF point around by acting as a 'touchpad' with your eye to the finder"

Notice the comma.

"That said, in touchpad mode, the control of the AF point is unfortunately always relative, rather than (at least an option for) absolute,"

Here they are describing specifically the touchpad variation on the functionality, while using the EVF.

I can't comment on the laggy implementation on this camera, all I know is that the touchpad AF concept is an excellent one, and well proven. Panasonic started it, Olympus copied it, and now Sony are copying it too. The more the merrier, it works very well.

@Androole - agreed, the more the merrier, it's useful technology. DPReview have said the touchscreen focus point on the Canon M5 is particularly well done, so it's going to be interesting reading the full reviews when they come out.

I got to play with an M5 in Toronto a couple of week ago and it was nice but in my excitement, didn't even think of trying to move the focus point around via the touchscreen or to test manul focus.

@ Interestingness - You got so excited by getting to touch a new Canon camera you forgot to see if it was any good or not? Oh but also keep repeating how much 'better' it is than a Sony.

You hate Sony, we get it. But I still find it funny that the mere opertunity to touch a Canon made you lose your mind. Fanboys be fanboys I guess. Hope you enjoy your new M5 and leaves you less time to lurk around telling everyone how much you hate Sony.

"Amazing fast native lens (many of them stabilized) make up for its absense, while poor native Sony lens selection would make we want to adapt third party ones, so ibis is a big plus."

Sorry what? There is exactly ZERO 'amazing fast native lenses' that has IS for Fuji. Yes, zero. Not one prime has IS. Their 'amazing fast' f2.8 standard zoom (really wouldn't call that amazing fast), no IS. At least the 50-140mm f2.8 does and the slower and not constant aperture 18-55mm f2.8-4 does, but they are the fastest stabilises lenses you're strong from Fuji.

@abortabort

Yeah, nice troll attempt. Maybe if you were there you would have seen the lineup of other folks excited to get some hands on with the M5 as well. Next time I go to a photo show I'll monopolize the camera and refuse to give it up until I test every single function so I can report back here, OK? I'm sure the other people waiting won't mind.

And heck yes I was excited! You should have felt how nice the build was and how densely solid the camera felt. My 'use' of the M5 there for the time I tried it was to use it as I would use my DSLR's and for that, the M5 performed quite well. If you go back and read the M5 preview here, DPReview staff seems quite smitten with it, I can understand why.

Geez it really sounds like you pee'd yourself getting near such glory. Well done! Did you get an autograph and a picture of you with the camera?

Too bad it isn't half the camera this is, but that's ok because it has a great touch screen that you never tried...

@abort:
Would you please rewrite this entire paragraph. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

"Sorry what? There is exactly ZERO 'amazing fast native lenses' that has IS for Fuji. Yes, zero. Not one prime has IS. Their 'amazing fast' f2.8 standard zoom (really wouldn't call that amazing fast), no IS. At least the 50-140mm f2.8 does and the slower and not constant aperture 18-55mm f2.8-4 does, but they are the fastest stabilises lenses you're strong from Fuji."

@NoMirror99 - Exactly as I said. Melchiorum above stated they have fast lenses with IS, they don't unless you count the 18-55mm f2.8-4 and 50-140mm f2.8 as 'amazingly fast glass'?

@abortabort

You are so cute tripping over yourself trying to be insulting! Here, have one of these for your effort;

http://www.justaonegirlrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/img_3901.jpg

"absence of a good selection of quality lightweight lenses"

I have a hard time deciding among the many compatible lenses at B&H. There are some very high quality lenses but they aren't cheap and many are not very lightweight. BTW there is good reason high quality lenses are not lightweight (esp fast and or long) - you can't cheat physics. (I can already hear the howling noise with demands for f/1.4 85mm pancake lens weighing 6 oz. <g>)

If you insist on being able to chose from a multitude of lenses then get adapter to mount virtually any lens from nearly any manufacturer.

The Squire: I have been carrying the Canon 5dsR with 24-70mm f/2.8. It weighs 4lbs altogether which doesn't seem like much but gets very heavy after 5 miles of steep trails. Also a smaller rig would allow more gear...tripod, lenses... I do hate to give up the resolution but would love the addition of 4K video.

AstroStan: Yes good quality and weight go together but my thinking is that if a lens is designed for the smaller sensor, it would be smaller and lighter than one adapted from full frame.

"But reality is disappointing in that regard. I often use the original 18mm pancake lens for NEX (now A6xxx) because the entire camera easily fits in a pocket. Images are noticeably superior to phone but don't stand up to a true high quality lens, which adds considerably more heft."

Yes but does it have to be like that? Let me go way way back to the Olympus half-frame camera. Reviewers raved about the quality of the lenses, saying that because they were designed to cover a smaller image circle, the resolving quality was better than those designed for the SLRs of the day. And they were also small to match the camera's size.

@photo_rb - then look forward to lugging this camera around with it's lenses on your mountain hikes. Sony WANTS you to buy full frame lenses.

If you really want smaller and lighter with excellent native lenses - look to m4/3's.

"If you really want smaller and lighter with excellent native lenses - look to m4/3's."

Agree, I have a Panasonic GH2 and I like the lenses. But quite a resolution hit from my Canon and interestingly, the GH4 is 100grams heavier than the a6500.

@Interestingess - Appreciate your thoughts. I also have the Sony a5100 which I use on my drone but it is a terrible outdoor camera because of the lack of viewfinder. So I do have lenses for both Panasonic and Sony and could go either way but I don't feel the Sony lenses I have compare to my Canon. I would agree the Panasonic are probably better although I haven't done much testing.
Regarding the 5DsR, I have been getting very sharp images off tripod down to 1/60 and sometimes lower and ISO good to 400 or 800 which is very high for an old film guy. Can't beat a tripod though except for having to lug it around the mountains.

Yeah, a 24-70mm f2.8 equivalent would not be small! In fact there are very few examples of an equivalent lens on APSC, which has always struck me as odd. The Sigma 18-35 f1.8 is a rare example of something that gets close. But it's basically as big as a 24-70 f2.8 because... physics.

If I had a A6x00 I'd go light with the good 17-70mm f4 if I needed a zoom.
The 10-18 f4 is good for landscapes, and f4 is fine if youre doing hyperfocal anyways.

Otherwise a couple of primes. Pick two from these decent lenses: 50 f1.8, 35 f1.8, 24 f1.8.

All the above are APSC-specific lenses, so size will be kept to a minimum.

If that doesnt work for you, go M4/3!

If light weight is the goal and you don't super high ISO then something like this camera is going to get you the closest to your 5DSr. I love my 5DS, but it wouldn't be what I would lug around on walks or trips.

A6500 with say Samyang or Touit 12mm (f2 or f2.8), Sigma 30mm f1.4 and say Sigma 60mm f2.8 or Sony 85mm f2.8 on a cheap LA-EA1 would cover most uses. With IBIS and no shutter shock you can probably ditch your tripod as well for the most part.

Yes a 5DSr on a tripod will do better, but if you want something decent enough that is small and light this would do it and probably have greater DR and stabilised 4K video into the bargain.

Of course if money were no object an A7R II would get you to the same level and with many of the same benefits.

@mateus1. Faster af point selection than a touchscreen? Come on...

Actually the joystick is not only faster but more accurate. I have a Panasonic TZ110 and had a Panasonic GX8 which focus with the screen and even have an option of relative/absolute positioning which is superior to what this Sony offers. My X-T2 gets my focus point to where I want it faster than the touch screens and is less fiddly to do so without continuously poking my face or nose with my knuckles. I still want Fuji to introduce a touch screen for image playback and autofocus when using the LCD which is a nice feature of a touchscreen.

Nah, you can't be that much of a fanboy... the touchscreen requires a single tap, or a quick swipe against several joystick button pushes

uhmm try using that touchscreen in the rain...

You keep coming up with excuses. U shoot under rain all the days? For those instances, u still can use the back cross button. Though you can't make the xt2 screen touch sensitive

How exactly is rain 'an excuse'? other than in the desert it rains at least for a quarter of the time, some places even more and for some types of photography almost all the time, if your requirements are such that you don't spend a lot of time in adverse conditions that's fine and I'm happy for you, but there are a lot of us who shoot in the rain or when it's cold enough that gloves are a necessity making the touchscreen useless. Sure, I'd appreciate a touchscreen for a few things like playback and focus checking etc. and in some instances it's very useful like selecting focus on the LCD (not the EVF as it's still not as efficient in that area) when framing a landscape in good weather etc. but then there's enough time to do it with a d-pad or joystick so it's not a 'must' either...

.. As for street I don't use a focus point but rather a focus distance set manually with enough DOF not to have to worry about whether my shot is in focus or not. No excuses just real world use and experience. If you don't agree with how I use my cameras that's your problem and I'm happy if you choose to work in a different way, although with your gear (as listed) I can't see how touching the screen is doing anything at all.

Excuses in the way that you are justifying your choice, convincing yourself that you got the best.

I have a couple of 1Dxii and a bunch or L glass which I use for work and that beats any of the little cameras we are discussing here by quite a wide margin. I don't think the Fuji is 'the best' but it sure as hell is more enjoyable to shoot than any Sony camera and even my Canon. Go and play with the touch-screen on your little Sony Electronics' appliances now...oops neither of them has them, oh well. Goodbye!

Eheh, sure. I have no doubt you got a couple and a bunch of the best on the market. People like you is always a step ahead ;)