Modular concept camera captures photographer and subject simultaneously: Digital Photography Review

Modular concept camera captures photographer and subject simultaneously

Published Jul 20, 2013 | dpreview staff

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b craw

It is the very purpose of a comment thread like this that we all feel comfortable commenting on the merits - or lack thereof - of this technology; that we should do. But for the overly snarky dismissals of some, I'd suggest a bit of investigation of photo history. I may think that this camera(a) smells a bit like a gimmick, but interesting - both in form and concept - avenues have been explored in photography via "gimmicks". Was not Polaroid technology first seen as gimmick? And has it not been employed in very important work? In fact, the very invention of photography was largely dismissed by traditionalists as not an art form, a mere technical advancement, devoid of the potential or importance of painting. So, please, those of you that poopoo this as useless, please understand that your ideas of application are not the application potential here. I've always been baffled by the quest for exclusivity in photography, the desperate staking out of claims of legitimate means of producing an image. I personally love my Leica and what magic it does to a surface of halides, but I can see the merits in the most experimental of photographic approaches, and how they serve the interests of the individual artist. We need to always be conscious of the fact that we are products of our own limited experiences and extend ourselves in our think of potentials. I don't want to be that guy hunkered down in my darkroom screaming vulgarities at the ways of the "kids these days". [actually hunkered down in the darkroom sounds good minus the latter part]

Still, I suspect this technology will not survive market demands. But I am not the one(s) who will ultimately decide.

Jul 23, 2013permalink

Francis Carver

I have been doing that for years, aiming the camera at a mirror, and capturing both myself and the mirror. Patent infringement?

Jul 22, 2013permalink

edu T

Not the same thing; the proposed camera allows for two independent points of view.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

kofkitt

Does this allow you to take a photo of a specific scene and then without "photoshopping" have your picture appear in the scene?

Jul 23, 2013permalink

MaxiMax

Sounds like.... a useless idea.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

Simon Zeev

The idea to photograph myself together with the subject doesn't interest me.
Maybe the best application for this camera is to photograph 3D pictures, especially of moving subjects when synchronization is critical.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

santeKIM

He doesn't graduated from Korean design school.
Please check the his homepage out.
He graduated from National Taiwan University.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

AngusCNH

Such idea was being used by LG smartphone already....? or different?

Jul 22, 2013permalink

Marvol

So this custom-built prototype does exactly what a smartphone app can make any number of smartphones do already, i.e. trigger the shutter wirelessly?

Even if an app that does this is not written as such, the principle is trivial. And with the advent of WiFi plus apps in higher-end cameras (Sony's NEX for one) this is even already possible in principle in fairly high-end cameras.

In short this gadget is already outdated before it's even left the prototype stage.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

Johannes Zander

So if you have about a 100 of this cameras you can do bullet time? Right?
Any other use?

Jul 22, 2013permalink

CBRWizzer

I'm sure Lytro is thrilled to finally have a competitor in the "Technology that has no need" department.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

graybalanced

I would have posted a snarkier comment myself, except that I actually went to the linked article that describes the concept in more detail. It's a bit more interesting than the way it's presented by DPReview.

As for the specific idea of simultaneously photographing yourself and the scene in front of you and combining them into one photo, that is not news. You can do that with a smartphone like the Samsung Galaxy S4 which has a mode that will fire its front and back cameras simultaneously and combine the result.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Optimal Prime

No hotshoe(s) ?

Jul 21, 2013*permalink

SeeRoy

Q: How have we managed to survive without this?
A: Easily.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Tape5

Actually it would have been easier if we had not heard about it because now I have to spend energy to try and forget it.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

AlanG

Too many people have latched on only to the idea of a simultaneous self portrait that accompanies the photograph. The best I can tell that is not the designer's intention at all but comes from the writer at DPReview who may not fully grasp the concept.

What is being presented are two wirelessly linked cameras - each that can point in any direction - that can shoot simultaneously and combine those photos. This is simply another tool and it will be up to those with creative minds to figure out various ways to use it.

Jul 22, 2013*permalink

JDThomas

I find it interesting that people on this forum sit back and bash every new or different concept that comes along while doing pretty much nothing to further any interesting changes in modern photography.

It may be limited in application, but it's a relatively novel design.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Tape5

Any interesting ''change in modern photography'' will be an innovation in the philosophy of photography and new ideas in photography as an art form, not a ''relatively novel design'' in technology.

If you think some nerd's gadget is going to do it, you are mistaken.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

yabokkie

it's difficult to find a good invention from 999 rubbish.
one is 99.9% correct to call everything rubbish.

Jul 21, 2013*permalink

xMichaelx

Millions of people have a phone that does the same thing. I don't see any need to back new ideas, but this isn't one.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

Mrrowe8

Sometimes the tool changes the philosophical approach of " modern photography " & sometimes it's the other way around ..this is an interesting tool especially the separation part.. The same ass hats bashing this I will bet $$$ where the same ass hats spewing philosophical crap from their moms basement about the camera phone idea and how " real photographers " would never lower themselves to the novelty or how teal photographer never would use auto focus cameras or how digital will never replace film .. " see sometimes the tool changes the medium and some tools like the asshats in mom basement will never change ..

Jul 22, 2013permalink

b craw

As a professor, I am so pleased that you feel ready to declare what will constitute photography's advancement. While I agree that this is gimmickry of sorts, and do prefer rigorous contextual development of the media on the whole, photo history has been advanced by both. Was not Polaroid technology thought to be gimmick when it was developed? And has it not since been employed since in some very mindful and nuanced ways by artists. The market will ultimately decide if this technology featured in this article endures (I suspect it may not for a number of reasons). But do not claim that it cannot have a role as a tool for some artists to push their personal state in photography's future forward. That is not a determination you are in a position to make.

Jul 23, 2013permalink

b craw

I was directing the above commentary at Tape5.

Jul 23, 2013permalink

JDThomas

@Tape5: And what are YOU doing to advance the "philosophy of photography" and while you're at it, why don't you explain to me what the "philosophy of photography" is? Is it not to capture an image? Wouldn't that mean that the philosophy of photography would be different for every photographer and would also change with different applications for each photographer?

And as far as some "nerd's gadget", just about every invention was some "nerd's gadget". Doc Edgerton's electronic flash was just some "nerd's gadget".

@Yabokkie: Just about everything you post makes absolutely no sense.

@Mrrowe8: Spot on.

Jul 24, 2013permalink

electrophoto

yay... another silly concept.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

krikman

Ha-ha-hah!
They still not discovered usage of scotch adhesive tape!

What else they invent after scotch tape discovering?
A hammer with 2 heads? (If electronically drived second hammerhead beat you while you smash nail)
A scothched dual pensil that writes 2 strokes simultaneosly?
A gun that shoots at you and the enemy?
A cup for tea and coffee same time?
.....

Jul 21, 2013permalink

iAPX

Selfie with a context: the idea is interesting, instead foodies or selfies on "social" websites, we will have foodies+selfies at the same time, a great step forward :)

Should I add that's something a simple Android or iOS application could do for free, instead buying these "boxes" ?

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Leandros S

That application already exists or at least was announced at one stage.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

graybalanced

Yes, smartphone apps can already do this by firing the front and back cameras simultaneously. But the idea is more interesting than that, if you read the linked Wired article.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

jjnik

Must be a smoker

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Hassan Al-Rayes

of what

Jul 22, 2013permalink

Raincheck

The guy holding the camera has a small chip in one of his thumbnails, plus his cuticles are not only ragged but desert dry. And what's up with the yellow tinge of his fingernails in the first place?

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Random Asian Guy

I think this makes a much better idea for self portrait and everything around them.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/02/06/Ricoh-concept-camera-makes-Spherical-Panoramic-images-in-one-shot

Jul 21, 2013permalink

cgarrard

Thoughts before reading the comments below:
Hmmmm neat "concept" can't really see it taking off but at least the guy was thinking differently about photography- not that we need to think differently about it just for the sake of it.

Thoughts after reading the comments below:
Hmmmm neat "concept" can't really see it taking off but at least the guy was thinking differently about photography- not that we need to think differently about it just for the sake of it.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

ManuelVilardeMacedo

My thoughts after reading your comment, Carl (with all due respect):
"Hmmmm neat "concept" can't really see it taking off but at least the guy was thinking differently about photography- not that we need to think differently about it just for the sake of it."

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Tee1up

I guess this will fit in perfectly for the insecure Facebook narcissist that can not get enough of her/himself.

Personally, my favorite books, movies and photos are the ones where the author, director, artist disappears...leaving the medium for us to enjoy.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

yonsarh

I think the writer has uneducated background on ASia.
Those names are not Korean. It may be Taiwanese just like
below comments mentioned.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

The Jacal

Of course, the journalist must be uneducated, like any other journalist who says Muhammad Ali is American. Sheesh.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

reginalddwight

Yes, the dude is from Taiwan. But why bash the writer for his unfamiliarity with Asian names? My original guess was that he would be Chinese.

***********************
From designboom.com,
"the ‘duo’ camera by taiwanese designer chin-wei liao splits in half, and integrates synchronized triggers to capture the moment."
***********************

Jul 21, 2013permalink

The Jacal

reginalddwight: It's got nothing to do with unfamiliarity, I'm sure the journalist was working from info he/she was given, not guessing the nationality based on a name.
I guess it's lucky that Yaphet Kotto isn't starting out in the camera industry.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

reginalddwight

@The Jacal, You may be right. This reminds of the recent incident of a San Francisco Bay Area television anchorwoman who read the supposed names of the Korean-run Asiana Airlines pilots responsible for the crash at SFO. The racist names turned out to be a massive joke pulled off by a summer intern.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

iAPX

You'd better consider "journalists", in many websites, press as well as in TV channels, as "speakers" or "rewriters": they are no more journalists, in the way that they don't search for information themselves and don't double-check them.

At the very least, they have a pool of people that look for informations, without double-checking, and usually it's press releases that just are rewritten...

Jul 21, 2013permalink

AlanG

I also think that if he evolves it so that each camera can show a preview of both views, that would be pretty cool.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

AlanG

I think the self portrait idea is pretty pointless. But the idea of being able to easily aim two or more cameras at a subject from different angles and capturing an image at a precise point in time might be useful.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Gesture

Isn't that already possible with wireless controllers?

Jul 22, 2013permalink

AbrasiveReducer

Stereo, maybe. But, seems to me, if you just want a picture of yourself and your subject, you can stand in front of a mirror. Or how about this...you take a picture of somebody and when the shutter closes, both your phones ring and you discuss the photo.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

RichRMA

This really IS the narcissist culture to end all narcissist cultures...

Jul 21, 2013permalink

b craw

I have a(n) MFA and have been teaching both digital and film photography for 10 years at the university level. It never ceases to surprise me how many in the photographic community are ill-tempered and close minded. It is part of the reason I am apprehensive to call myself a photographer despite nearly all my work ending in a photograph.

While I am capable of seeing the lack of practicality or need in various photo contexts of this technology, I can envision some applications for particular conceptual work. But asking some photographers to think conceptually - beyond technical masturbation - may be a bridge too far.

[i suppose I should acknowledge my own ill temper here.]

Jul 21, 2013permalink

jeffcpix

And asking professors to demand technical proficiency instead of conceptual fantasy might be yet another bridge still further.
I guess that would require a PE rather than an MFA

Jul 21, 2013permalink

b craw

Not mutually exclusive - imagine both in balance. Then again, I'm not entirely clear about what is meant by "conceptual fantasy".

Jul 21, 2013permalink

graybalanced

I agree that many photographers, especially in the DPReview forums, can be highly judgmental about any tool that has no immediate bearing on their personal photographic interests.

But I see both sides of the story. I went to a museum that was quite good, but in one room they supposedly had the year's best student work. But the art and the accompanying descriptions were examples of why some cannot stand academia. The art was half-baked and seemed to lack intrinsic meaning unless you read the text description and rationalized them sufficiently to accept the art. The art descriptions were guilty of the worst kind of content-free academic hand-waving. This was in stark contrast to the fully realized, challenging yet accessible works in the rest of the museum.

As for this article, the main reason I am not impressed with it is because taking a selfie simultaneously with your photo is already a feature of smartphones with front and back cameras. You can buy one in any mall.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

jeffcpix

Conceptual fantasy = an idea that a person has no means to execute in a medium he is ill-equipped to manipulate.

It's not uncommon for 'aspiring artists' to choose a 'message'
that might be better expressed in another medium -- except
that medium takes more effort/experience than 'pushing a button and letting Kodak do the rest'.

But these days play=creativity and we wouldn't want to damage their budding self-esteem... or lose those tuition $$$$.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

b craw

In tens years of teaching, I have yet to witness a program that approaches "conceptual fantasy"; as I an others in academic institutions - and I say that because they seem a convenient punching bag - tend to do is to equip students with both a formal and technical skill sets that work in service of actualizing concept. I agree that the latter without the former is a faulty structure. I, and many I know, also teach the structural and historical contexts of photography and its potentials as appropriate or not for for certain types of work. I too occasionally come upon a group of selected student work and wonder what was the basis for the selection, and often question force-fit conceptualism (depending entirely upon external description). But these are curatorial failures, and isolated. Best not to general as emblematic of academia, as a whole, failing in this way.

Jul 23, 2013permalink

b craw

In response to the assertion that students are not pressed critically because it would be an assault on their "budding self-esteem, I don't see that either - that seems a very naive perception. The environments I control are supportive but rigorously critical, as I want students to be challenged and ultimately produce the best work possible.

As for the highly cynical prospect that everything goes because institutions are protecting tuition dollars, I wonder what environments you have been exposed to that give you this idea. I teach my classes. I develop the professional expectations and the criteria for a student evaluation. Never have I been pressured, directly or indirectly, to protect revenue by easing standards. I can only speak from my experience ultimately, but I find this whole notion of the academic agenda to be a convenient myth. Yes, institutions are subject to finance pressures to function, but any real criticism that I might see need be directed at admission policies, etc., not the mechanics within the classroom. I work on the behalf students and their interests (assuming they want to improve their art and photography); institutional politics stop at my classroom door.

Jul 23, 2013permalink

LKJ

"Design" students!

Bless 'em.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

bjhk

very good for 3d photography

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Artistico

So, in addition to the already bad selfies everywhere, we'll now also have photographers taking selfies every time they take a picture. Are we sure this is something we wish to unleash on the world?

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Combatmedic870

I just LMAO when i read this. I agree.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

The Jacal

So it's basically two cameras with a wifi link.

Reminds me of the Blackadder quote, Lord Percy: "only the other day I saw a horse with two bodies and two heads" Blackadder; "Two horses perhaps?"

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Artistico

A camera like this must be the devil's work, surely, so we'd better get the witch smeller Pursuivant on the case...

Jul 20, 2013permalink

powersports

Like & double-like. The most pertinent comment, bar none.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

David Elliott Lewis

The Samsung Galaxy S4 cell phone is already implementing a similar feature with its dual mode video capability. It simultaneously combines its front-facing camera and its rear-facing camera feed for a combined image. It can be shown either picture-in-picture, top and bottom or side by side.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

0MitchAG

And yet there are free apps that can already do it.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

edu T

Not the same thing, for the proposed camera allows for two independent points of view rather than fixed back-to-back.

Jul 22, 2013permalink

Ulfric M Douglas

Who wrote this copy? Sack 'em
"pressing the shutter will record and an image"

What has journalism come to? Oh the horror.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

straylightrun

Go outside.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

b craw

Such petty commentary...please. Yes, do go outside.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

gwcphotography

Umm, I don't think he's Korean (name isn't Korean), and his website doesn't mention graduating from a Korean design school...

Where exactly did that factoid come up?

Jul 20, 2013permalink

f8pc

Yeah, pretty sure he is Taiwanese.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

The Jacal

Which factoid? It doesn't say that he graduated from a Korean design school, he is Korean and graduated from a design school.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Frode Hegland

This is very cool but you can do this with any smartphone already. I made an app called Flipic which takes a picture of both the subject and shows it as a 3d 'card'. It's not on the App Store yet. Maybe I should put it there... :-) http://www.flipic.info is the site.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

RedFox88

"graduates" have such pie in the sky, lofty ideas until the reality of the business work hits them.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

straylightrun

Replace the words graduates with young people and business with old age.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

reality_check

I love it when older folks criticize youth's desire to innovate. Sure, this might not be a good idea (although smartphones do have this feature already as others have pointed out), but, please, don't mock their ambition and creativity (no matter hwo silly it might be). If it were for people like you, we would still be fighting lions around a fire because that was the BEST way to live! :) Wait, who was the idiot who "tamed" fire? Now lions know where we are? :)

Jul 20, 2013permalink

b craw

This generalization says more about you than them.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

b craw

That was directed at RedFox88.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

RedFox88

It's hard to be a start up these days with big business against you. Much harder than in decades past. The mom and pop stores are disappearing because of buyers frequenting big box stores. Just like Canon and Nikon are the "big box" giants that any camera company would have to compete again. Not easy at all.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

RamblingDan

Ha! So wrapped up in the social fun use, the developer seems to have missed the stereoscopic use. One of the early comments in Wired mentions this.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

vesa1tahti

Oooh, we had to see this! Connecting two cameras to take images by one shutter release! Maybe one candidate to get Nobel Physics Price 2014?

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Peiasdf

Peace prize. You got to have merit for Physics

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Mahuna

neat....but i dont see the point

Jul 20, 2013permalink

designer who shoots photos 2

Seems to me there could be some interesting prospects if one introduces a second person to wield the second camera. Team photography. Plus documenting the documenting could be cool in many instances, especially in photo journalism.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

ManuelVilardeMacedo

An answer to a question nobody asked.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

reginalddwight

Doesn't the Galaxy S4 do something like this already?

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Bob Meyer

Yep, nothing new to see here. Move along.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

Mssimo

Photography world has not seen something this revolutionary since the lytro cameras.

Jul 20, 2013permalink

OK3 Fotos

Mssimo how can I contact you I got a question about what you posted

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Mssimo

Sure, PM me

Jul 20, 2013permalink

Bob Meyer

Except for the Galaxy S4, which does this, too.

Jul 21, 2013permalink

bcalkins

Or DuoCam (and apps like it?) on the iPhone...

Jul 21, 2013permalink

georgelien

A Great Idea

The designer, however, is from Taiwan.

Jul 23, 2013permalink

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