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Launched last month, the Nikon J1 and V1 small-sensor mirrorless cameras have created a lot of discussion among our readers. We've been using both the Nikon J1 and V1 for some time, and ahead of our usual full review treatment we have prepared a brief hands-on preview, preview video and a 3-page article about using the higher-end V1 model.
I think that smaller-sensor cameras should cost less than larger-sensor cameras.
The Nikon 1 V1 has a list price of $899.95, and the Nikon D5100 DSLR has a list price of $849.95. (The Nikon D3100 has a list price of $649.95)
Entry-level DSLRs are a better value than smaller-sensor mirrorless cameras, offering much more performance bang for the buck. DSLRs are obviously bigger, but mirrorless cameras aren't true pocket cameras, reducing their size advantage.
Every time a small-sensor mirrorless camera comes out I'm hoping that the optics prices will go down. I hoped some 28-200 mm 2.8-4.5 equivalent like the one seen on earlier cameras like Pro1 or A200 will emerge. It seems it will never be the case though. This is also ridiculous how companies develop huge grenade launchers to be put on tiny cameras like that.
I attended a presentation of this 1 series at the PhotoPlus Expo and it was HUGE, easily took over one third of Nikon's entire stand! There were 3 hot, stylish models posing at all times and tons of elderly men gawking at them, pretending to check out the series. It was pathetic. On a prominent display, the cameras were shown in about 27 different colors, some of them included silly external flashes in yet another set of colors. I felt like I was attending a presentation of a new line of Cover Girl lipsticks.
overpriced, small sensor(very much affects picture quality, i have compared noise performance with my nex and friend's GF). Why it is so hard to not defends their blunder? I just want to save humanity in hope that Nikon will come with better products:) I am fans of their AIs classic lenses
Just got my V1 with the 10mm and 10-30. Played with the 10mm.
1. I love the feel of the body. Solid. Dense. (Different from my X100. But similarly satisfying.) 2. Motion snapshot is cute but useless. You choose from a small selection of background music. And you really have to think hard about the choice of the final snapshot, because the movie uses the midpoint as that snapshot. 3. Slow-motion movie is very cool but not a daily use for me. 4. Oh and currently Lightroom does not recogize the camera's RAW images. Oops. 5. Smart photo selector. This too is promising. Will see whether it proves to be useful.
Between the Sony NEX 5N and the Nikon J1, for photo quality and fastness? Anyone? Pays to spend $300 more instead to go for the G12? again, when photo sharpness is the matter.
How come so much negative comments and put downs for such a minor niche market camera?
Anybody's answer, but let me put in some:
1. Consumers are going to get angry when manufacturers insult their intelligence. 2. Buyers are smart enough these days to sniff a raw deal. 3. Loyal brand followers are upset the brand they learned to love, admire, follow, support, endorse and be proud of, has LET THEM DOWN on this 1 series.
Nikon should immediately REMOVE from their payroll the DESIGNER of this 1 series and replace them with anybody decent enough to work the hard yards and design the camera from their HEARTS and not with their empty minds.
Have you actually used it ..? If not , your opinion is meaningless There are now a number of reports and samples from actual users. The conclusions are starting to come in. It's very high quality , fast and takes excellent images
@Maaku there's thing called 'reviews' and 'specifications'. I dont even have to read bunch specifications to knowing that other systems with similiar(or even cheaper) pricetag offer bigger sensor, better compactness, better noise performance etc. Theres no unique advantages here, yet it obviously overpriced
The AF Servo, high FPS is impressive....and the board DOF allows large margins of error. However, I feel pity for such a good feature to be offered in an overall uncompelling package. Think of it in another way, put the best graphics card in a NETBOOK, will it run the most demanding games smoothly? YES.......Will it offer the best gaming experience? NOWAY!
If I shoot sport events unprofessionally and casually, I will seriously consider this camera..... If not, there are just way too many BETTER options in the market With the silly size and pricing, this is at best a niche camera....
YES! I DO SOUND NEGATIVE, BASHING ARE WELCOMED But at a consumer...deep in my heart...I just want options...........GOOD OPTIONS to be precise
Oh please... if you're going to snipe, at least be original. Any suggestion that we get paid for review/preview content is absurd, not to mention profoundly offensive.
I'll buy one and make great images. You will still be complaining about the J1/V1, Nikon and DPR and the gall of people like me for seeing value in the little camera!
There has been much to much immature emoting about what it is and what it isn't. But, undeniably it is a camera. Is it not? DPR reviews cameras. Don't they?
Can't see any reason for olympian_dp's accusation, in fact, this video has quite a critical undertone. It'll be interesting to watch how Nikon's new in-between-system will make it.
By the way: as a Canon-user I'd like to see Canon to go for a mirrorless APS-C-system that competes with Sony's NEX bodys... IMHO that would make much more sense than Nikons new approach as it would make a real use of the big selection of Canon lenses availabl - plus allow for new compact pancake lenses.
The V1/J1 deserve respectful attention, if only because they represent a venture into a new design and niche. But I doubt any praise will be enough to make people forget that both are a bit pricey and have a weak mode dial.
I've played with one This camera's awesome ..! 10 fps with no finder blackout , extremely fast focus With the adapter my 70-200 2.8 becomes a 189-540 2.8 .. 10 fps ..! This thing has the potential to be a really great sports camera. It's very well made and a lot smaller than it appears. The kit lenses are very well made,
The question is ,how long before they bring out the normal fast prime
The speed is the best thing about this camera. Noise levels are OK too - maybe overprocessed - but better than a compact. But the price, depth of focus/fast prime issue, lenses no smaller than M4/3 put me off.
Seems like the only good thing people have to say about this us that it has a Nikon badge. The most common excuse for this is that Nikon made it sub standard on purpose, so it would not compete with their entry level dslr cameras.
Well, I have news for Nikon. Those entry level dslr cameras are as obsolete as their "new" (actually four year old idea) V1 and J1.
Most of these companies take a long time to figure out that what enthusiasts really want out of a compact camera is compact fast primes, like Panasonic's m43 20mm 1.7 and 14mm 2.5. We don't want the same big clunky zoom or a blah F3.5/5.6 kit lens.
I'm not impressed by the camera's sensor size. With its Nex system, Sony managed to make a similarly-sized camera with the same sensor used by DX DSLRs. APS-C lenses can be compact.
I do believe mirrorless is the future of where ALL digital photography is headed. I'll take a wait and see approach before I judge this particular camera. The menus look like a nice change of pace from Sony and Panasonic's. But I can't get over the fact that it will be hampered by a small sensor and clunky slow-aperture lenses.
I can't see the point of a camera that small with a lens that large. If the price gets savaged in the stores it might be worth considering but at this price, no.
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I'm wondering about CX lens sizes (at first glance they look no smaller then m43 lenses) and if anybody know how large is image circle for CX format lenses... and is there a theoretical possibility for Nikon to increase sensor size for V2 or J2 models in following years, something that will slightly reduce crop factor, and increase image quality further...
Not likely. People just have to accept that Nikon has specifically chosen the CX format sensor to be the sensor size that it is, and the CX format lenses are built specifically for this sensor size.
I don't see the advantage of a tiny camera with a protruding, non-retractable lens. Seems to have the disadvantages of both form-factors, without the benefits.
This system really falls short of what I expected. Lousy build quality, lack of PASM, horrible low light performance... Like everything Nikon produces other than DSLRs, this really seems like nothing more than an afterthought. I find it really hard to believe this was 4 years in development, seems like something they outsourced to fisher price at the last minute.
Why on earth Nikon didn't just make a DX format mirrorless is beyond me. They could have kitted them single lens with the 35mm 1.8, 10-24 or 40mm macro, with the same size body as the V1, and made bazillions of dollars in the process.
Probably because they wanted to protect the sales of DX format DSLRs. As for kitting them with the 35/1.8, 10-24, or 40mm macro from the DX DSLR system, that wouldn't have worked because DSLR lenses have a different lens registration distance than these new mirrorless systems, which have a much shorter lens registration distance.
I agree. If they are trying to protect DX sales, that's ridiculous. It will take the public a long time to leave traditional DSLRs. By then the competition will have established mirrorless systems.
My love of Nikon is based on the old FM/FE/F3/F100 film cameras and the great AIS manual focus lenses. This is why I stick with Nikon.
When it comes to this new format, the Nikon name means nothing to me.
But what is so good about removing the greatest feature from a DSLR, if there is no compensating gain? I mean, lose the optical viewfinder and gain, er, what...?
I guess I just don't get how trying to view the moment of photographic creativity through anything other than a decent viewfinder is a step forward. To me the viewfinder is the camera, the rest just gets in the way as little as possible.
The one thing that this system have as a strong point is on-sensor PDAF.
How long do we expect this feature to be unique? When this trickles down to other Nikons, and sideways to other brands, what happens then?
I would have loved to see all Nikons Dxxx DSLRS get a twin lineup, Mxxx . Mirrorless with PDAF and EVF. Reuse all lenses and get good video at a much lower producion cost. And leaving the choice to the customer.
I'm sorry, but the two-handed picture with that massive zoom lens says it all. Unless they can make some seriously smaller zooms for this thing, it really falls behind m4/3 too far to be taken seriously. Well, that's from me, there's no telling what the consumer response will be and the lack of controls mark this out as a consumer-oriented product.
It seems that Nikon's latest foray into the compact world shares the Coolpix mix of innovative features yet a final package that photographically falls behind the competition. Perhaps the combination of small sensor and fast operation will be just the ticket for the intended audience. But will anyone non-enthusiast be willing to spend so much on a consumer item? It really is a long shot and they ought to sort out the pricing, $500 would be about right, which is where I see it ending up in a couple of months.
"I'm sorry, but the two-handed picture with that massive zoom lens says it all. Unless they can make some seriously smaller zooms for this thing, it really falls behind m4/3 too far to be taken seriously". ... ... Well, the 30-110VR seems to be very compact -- even more so than the Olympus m43 40-150 equivalent.
I remember Mick Jagger once answered about the his 20 years playing with the Rolling Stones, "Yeah, its was great — 5 years of hard work and 15 years of fooling around". When Nikon says they've spent 4 years thinking, then at least 3 years marketing and engineering team spent fooling around bars in Tokyo trying to think to which bar they should be going next ...
I think this explains a lot, from the dpreview preview: "According to Nikon, the 1 system has been four years in the making. Tracking back, this means that Nikon started work on its new mirrorless system in mid-2007 - about a year before Panasonic launched the pioneering Micro Four-Thirds system with the Lumix DMC-G1."
They spent too long on this. Now 4 years have passed, Nikon has launched it's cameras but oops, seems like some other manufacturers have had better ideas that make Nikon's 4 year old obsolete. Thankfully there still seem to a lot of folks out there who are willing to buy the Nikon cameras regardless...
Now I understand why Nikon didn't just make a micro four thirds camera. Micro four thirds didn't exist when they were choosing the specs for this thing. Maybe Nikon will eventually launch a micro four thirds camera. Hope it does not take them four years.
If Nikon could just release a camera phone then they would have all the imaging markets covered. Called the 0.01 System, it would have nano-coated prime & zoom lenses the size of your thumb, VR3 (a necessity), and a pop-up Boba Fett flash like the J1. Can't wait!
I don't think we'll ever see an m4/3 compatible camera from any of the big brands (Nikon, Canon etc.), can you imagine such large companies using a competitor's lens mount?
4/3 is a standard, not a competitor. If they think their lenses are any good they would make some with a 4/3 mount. If the market thinks they are any good they would sell like hot cakes. There is nothing stopping them, IF they are competitive. Panasonic/Leica and Olympus already make some good lenses for 4/3.
@Jorgen E: If I want to use APS-sized lenses, I'll use one of my DSLRs OR buy other much superior mirrorless system offering much better APS-C sensor with more compact package than SLR. And hey, they have cheaper price tag than this V1! :D
Can you fit *all* Nikon lenses without AF/VR limitations on the G12? No, I don't think so.
It seems you have missed one great advantage of this new camera, which is the possibility to use *ANY* AF-S Nikkor lens with it, while with the G12 you are stuck to that single zoom lens. Also compared to the G12 with its pea size sensor, this camera has a huge sensor... The Nikon 1 system is much better than the Canon G series in every aspect except price and size.
"It seems you have missed one great advantage of this new camera, which is the possibility to use *ANY* AF-S Nikkor lens with it ..." It seems you have missed two points: (1) You can use *ANY* AF-S Nikkor lens on a Nikon DSLR. (2) You can put G12 in a big pocket while you cannot put V1/J1 with the zoom lens in a pocket.
This would be an interesting, albeit expensive, camera if not for the micro 4/3 cameras and other mirrorless systems. Also, the zoom lens dominates, making the camera look awkward.
Picked one up in the Nikon showroom in Shinjuku and it is a surprisingly heavy and a beauifully made camera. Not the camera for me but for those it suits they will be getting a very nice little device.Don't lose it in your bag though.
I'm a m43 user and where this camera fails for me is price point.
I do think some of the features are interesting and the image quality is "good enough" for me (and I'm sure most of us, except, well, pixel-peeping is the life blood of this forum).
I also like the idea of a very small sensor camera with interchangeable lenses, because of the advantages for telephoto.
But this camera is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too high priced, especially considering all of the excellent dslrs in the used camera market.
And if it is for non-enthusiasts, then why are they trying to sell it with a couple of esoteric features that even the majority of enthusiasts care little about?
This camera is obviously not aimed at Olympus or other system users. Its obvious advantages, apart from the built in features, can only be used if you already have a few Nikon lenses or aim to use it as a "digital TC", for which it is excellent. The camera works without AF/VR limitations with any AF-S lens, so as a system, it is indeed very interesting for some people, much more interesting than MFT or NEX is... but it is a very ugly design. For that price I think Nikon should have made a better, much nicer and modern design.
I have 4 Nikon legacy lenses, two 50mm 1.8s, one autofocus, one not, and the 100 2.5 and the 180 2.8, both manual focus.
I bought a Panny G1 on ebay for $200 used with the excellent kit lens, then a Panny G2 body new for $300 at the end of the run. Both cameras have excellent viewfinders, excellent focus assist for manual lenses, and slightly better image quality than the V1. The G2 does video, with a 3:1 optical zoom if I want it, which makes my 180mm a 1,080mm 2.8 equivalent for video. For that matter, it makes my 50mm 1.8 a 300mm 1.8 for video
Personally, I'm not rushing out to the store to buy a Nikon V1 at $900 or $1,000 or whatever it is.
However, I don't think it is fair to bash this camera based on IQ alone. I'm sure this camera will print very well at A2 size.
I've wanted a Nikon camera for a while, but this is not it. If I had $1,000 to shell out for this camera, I would probably put it towards a full-frame Nikon, like the D700.
I think there is a danger of missing the point here. Nikon has introduced a new and competent system. To me it means a different perspective to photography and is welcome. Some people will find it useful others will not, or just think so. Had Nikon produced another equivalent mirrorless, it would have meant nothing to me.
My main system is and will remain DSLR based (FX and DX). But I also use film SLR, a u4/3 system, an ultrazoom and occasionally I borrow a pocket quality camera from my daughter. All have their space depending on the situation.
Hmm, maybe you missed the point. What does the Nikon bring new to the table? Mostly nothing at all. Existing products offer superior sensors, have a form factor just as small, and a re priced far cheaper. This cameras is till not pocketable so again I fail to see it's worth. They should have just joined the m4/3 group, or at least have the sense to cut the price in half. It's a product for a products sake.
I think it's you who are missing the point. Nikon started developing this system 4 years ago, before m4/3 was introduced. Nikon simply took too long to introduce this camera system. They missed the mark. Other mirrorless systems that are equal in size but use much larger sensors beat Nikon's system to the market, leaving Nikon's system behind. Advancements in mirrorless AF technology and specs will continue to advance throughout the industry, but the Nikon 1 system will always be stuck with that tiny sensor.
Nope, pretty sure thx1138 hit the point pretty well and T3 seems to be telling him that his point ("This introduces nothing new") is not valid and then telling him ("Nikon took too long") it's completely valid.
Unfortunately I foresee every Nikon fanboy salesman pushing this inferior product and the unknowing masses gobbling it up because of the logo on the camera.
I use already and appreciate a u4/3 mirrorless system. Infact I love it as is great fun. But on my experience it cannot replace a DSLR system in 85% of cases. It is instead a very useful complement to it. A DX mirrorless system complements it less well for me, which is why I chosen the u4/3. This new Nikon allows even more crop factor to explore, it has a good EVF (so it seems) which I may hate less than others I tried. It is fast with a fast AF. Long lenses can be made small. From What I have seen on the web, noise, colours and details already exceed the real life requirements. Price is always an issue of course but also a moving target, as it is technology performance. Lenses should and could be cheaper as well. The point is that there is a new CX system to look at, not just another camera with some small improvement on ISO latitude.
All I want is a pocketable mirrorless, with a perfectly balanced feel, the IQ and bokeh of a FF SLR, a pancake 24-210 zoom, 12 fps stills, 1920 x 1080 60 fps video, a superior EVF and zero lag-time shutter for less than $600. In short, everything. Why is that so hard?
And when you get done building that, I’ll have a brand new request list for next year’s model. Don’t disappoint me.
Nikon has filled a yawning gap in the sensor-size bestiary, but the pricing isn't consistent with the technical positioning or the users apparently targeted by Nikon for the System 1. Nikon needs to correct this mismatch if the system is to be successful.
Are you sure? Judging by some comments below there are a lot of people who could care less about the "technical positioning" and the pricing. As long as it has a Nikon badge, they want it. Maybe Nikon should be charging $500 more for those cameras...
magnumgf, the problem is that there aren't going to be enough of those fanatical Nikonians to support this camera. And it's one thing for a Nikonian to say they want it, but it's another thing for them to actually plunk down the money to buy it.
A point and shoot with no flash (The V1)??? Who exactly do Nikon expect will buy that thing? Serious photographers? No, sensor size smaller than similarly sized cameras made by other manufacturers and the lenses don't seem to be very good. (See samples posted earlier, top of Martini bottle). People looking for a camera for holiday snaps? No, you can get cameras that are a lot cheaper and better suited to that purpose. Cameras that have an integral flash and are a lot more compact. The only people I can imagine buying this are this are those who want a Nikon badge and could care less about anything else.
They are going to take one look at it, ask why it costs more than X, Y and Z and when they don´t get an explanation that makes sense they will buy X Y and Z. I don´t know about Asia as a whole but I have some insight into the Japanese market. To the Japanese Nikon is nothing special. There is much more awareness of brands such as Sony and Panasonic.
Maaku, you know what else is "gold" in Asia? Money. 4 billion "potential customers" aren't going to toss their money at the 1 system just because it says Nikon on it. In fact, outside of their DSLRs, Nikon is actually pretty week in their other camera products, even in Asia. So while the Nikon name might be "gold" when it comes to SLR's, it doesn't necessarily mean "gold" when it comes to their other camera products.
Im looking for a small mirrorless system to compliment my D7000. so I have looked carefully at all that are available. I had a chance to play with the J1, It's really a very nice little camera. It's small, , equal in size to the NEX5 and the Pens. The lenses are small and very well made. I don't know why DP's testing the 10-100. the kit lenses are very small. It's very well made, the controls are solid and you get the impression that it will last..It's really fast, the focus is excellent , and 10 fps is cool in a mirrorless camera, you get instant feedback, I'm anxious to try the V1 with the EVF. As far as IQ there are dozens of sites that have samples and it's the equal of 4/3's . They will be very successful . Sure , they're probably $150 overpriced but so what..?
magnumgf, it's smaller sensor with the same IQ as M4/3 but PDAF AF tracking (in good lights), 10 fps with AF, 60 fps with fixed focus. Don't play idiot.
One may remind a few people how much MFT cost when first released. As with all first releases the price is high, but sales will start before xmas and it will reach its level soon enough. Had a chance to play with a J1 yesterday and the AF is very impressive. Build quality is very impressive too, including the lenses. Nikon just need to market this thing right. However I think they should include a free mini-flash with the V1.
I am Compare the price of the V1 to the NEX and the Micro 4/3, It's not all that out of line when you figure in the cost of the add on EVF, You can get the V1 and both kit lenses for $1,149.00 , The Epl3 going to set you back $1169.00 . and the kit lenses are very poorly made, The EP3 $1369.00 and the NEX 5 will top out at $1399.00
I need a viewfinder and an integral flash. Neither of those cameras has both. I also want to get the biggest sensor I can get for the price and size of the camera. For some reason Nikon has made a camera costs more than most other mirrorless offerings, is the same size but has a smaller sensor... Now, why did they do that, and why would I want one? Oh, yes, because it has a Nikon badge on it!
But the Nikon 1 have the fastest autofocus on the market. You will need to spend 5000$ on a D3s to get similar speed. Its why I'm considering buying this camera. And the fact you can take pictures when you film is another good reason too.
Maaku, regarding the added cost of an EVF for the other mirrorless systems, you're forgetting that the additional EVF is a one-time purchase that can be transferred to other cameras as you upgrade bodies. Plus, the add-on EVF's can be tilted for variable-angle viewing. Also consider that an Oly E-PM1 kit ($499) with VF-3 viewfinder ($179) is /much/ less expensive than a V1. And as I mentioned earlier, that VF-3 is a one-time purchase that can be transferred to other Oly Pen bodies. Plus, you get a much larger sensor, and a much larger selection of lenses.
It sounds like the signal is completely out of phase between left and right channel. Very, very obvious problem. Not the first dpr video with this problem either. Opera on OS X.
You nailed it Johan Borg! I went to my sound panel and as I turn the balance to left or right, the volume increases to an almost acceptable level on my monospeaker laptop.
Ok, we couldn't experience the problem until we tried listening back on system with a single speaker. It should be fixed in the next video. Sorry about that.
Usually...you can argue about lens size depending on sensor size...
"Ohhh Sony E-mount lenses are bigger because they cover an APS-C sensor size with a small registration distance" or "Yeah, m4/3 got the task easy to make smaller lenses due to reduced sensor area so it's an advantage here and it's very convenient.."
But.. what's the reason for the size on those Nikon 1 lenses? I hoped for a further smaller package compared to other mirrorless...And that price...WOW. It's just insane.
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OM System Ambassador Peter Baumgarten visits the wetlands of central Florida to photograph birds with the OM-1. Travel with Peter to see how he shoots, and view some of the spectacular photos he captures along the way. (Includes sample gallery)
We go hands-on with Sigma's latest 'Digital Native' wide-angle lenses for L-mount and Sony E-mount cameras to see what features they have and what sets them apart from the rather limited competition.
Sony has announced in-camera forgery-proof photo technology for its a7 IV mirrorless camera. The technology, aimed at corporate users, cryptographically signs images in-camera to detect future pixel modification and tampering.
CRDBAG's CRDWALL is a thin, space-efficient storage solution that you mount on your wall. It uses tracks, cords and hooks to store your gear flat against the wall without hiding it from view.
The new Sigma 24mm F1.4 DG DN Art has a brand new optical formula designed for mirrorless cameras. Check out our sample gallery to see how sharp it is, as well as how it handles flare, chromatic aberrations and sunstars.
Sigma’s new 24mm F1.4 DG DN lens for L-mount and E-mount features a physical aperture ring that can be de-clicked, stepping motors with full support for Sony MF assist modes, a rear filter holder and more.
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