Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM5 real-world samples gallery posted

I am not upset, I just don't get the point of your comment. ISO limitation is something every camera has, for some applications. For some, even the compact cameras are not limited in any way, and for some nothing less than a Sony A7s would do. And I would think if you know what you need you would not waste time in m43 discussions, you'd be outnere shooting a system that is not so limited for you.

The size of flash built into the GM1 would be all but useless for bounce flash, and direct on-camera flash is always a choice of last resort.

The GM5 is half, 1/2!, the weight of the E-M10 or 5. That is what the GM5 is all about. That was the promise of m4/3 and the GM5 is the answer.

And I just sold my GM-1 on ebay for $440. I'm an older guy who lives in the snowy White Mtns of NH and on the snowy coast of Newfoundland--I couldn't see the LCD in the bright sun.

The LX100 EVF is not as good as the one the Oly E-M5 or Stylus 1. I wear glasses and there seems to be something strange with the angle of the glass in the EVF causing reflections.

A center viewfinder will also have your nose pressing against camera body. I much prefer viewfinders on the side. Why are you comparing used prices against new, in a year this camera will be cheap used as well.

The EM10 is a better camera, but the gm5 is made to be as small as possible with compromizes but not crippling compromizes. It depends on where your priorities are.

It's nice to have a choice.

I agree that its a bit silly to compare such different cameras.

Thanks for comments by real world owners.

I don't find my GM1's touch screen to be too small for touch control, although picking a particular value is fiddly. Touch is by far the best way to pick an AF point manually (what I do 98% of the time) so the lack of touch is a major negative in my estimation on the LX100. The GM5's command dial should be a vast improvement over the GM1's multifunction ring, so even with the smaller display it should be easier to dial in values for settings picked on the touch screen. The LX100 images I've seen look great and I don't see anything here that suggests superiority of the GM5 to either it or the GM1 in image performance. And the LX100's lens is pretty impressive.

I have a GM1, the touchscreen AF is its strongest asset. I was very interested in the LX100 until I found out it doesn't have a touchscreen. It's a huge omission. I'm expecting the next version to correct this omission, so no reason to buy this version.

Glad to see they stiffened up the physical controls in the GM5. It was definitely the GM1's main weakness. Not enough of an improvement to justify trading in my GM1, but if I didn't already own a GM1, I would buy the GM5 over the LX100 for the touchscreen alone.

(To Panasonic: Auto-iso in manual mode and a bit of image stabilization in the next GM camera WOULD justify trading in my GM1.)

Bonus ART filter.

This ISO16000 shot shows expected [poor] IQ for GM5+kit zoom @low-light. In this regards, for the very same shot/setting with RX100-M3 using:

- Same Shutter speed
- Aperture wide open @24mm

RX100-M3 should have noticeable better IQ as RX100 only needs ISO3200 [for the same size printing size], and RX100-M3 is a smaller camera if GM5's selling point is small.

I was about to write a long post about smaller sensors vs larger ones, but then I noticed you said kit lens. I agree that its pretty slow.

While I still don't believe that the RX100's small sensor will give you better low-light image quality, as soon as you put a faster zoom on the GM5, the Sony looses except for its conveniently small size. Just putting a cheap f1.7 pancake on in the evening will yield much better results; if you're not making large prints of your "evening at the pub" photos you can crop the GM5 photo to simulate a zoom.

Of course if you aren't into swapping lenses, but still want a zoom, the LX100 beats that RX100v3 in low light. The gallery shows a perfectly usable photo of a person taken at ISO12000.

You can find the f1.7 Lumix pancakes for 250-300. GM1 bodies are down around 460 now, so for the price of the RX100v3, you can get a GM1 + low light prime, and then look for someone unloading their kit zoom on the cheap. Even the GM1 + 1.7 prime will handily beat the RX100 in low light.

The LX100 is $100 more than the RX100, unless I needed the smaller size I would always pay that extra bit for a much more low-light capable camera.

Heck, for the price of the RX100 you can buy an Olympus E-PL5/12-42 zoom kit and an f1.7 pancake prime. And that Olympus has IBIS which will work with any lens you put on it.

16000 at 3.5 and it looks like a "water painting". Hilarious!

You might be confusing 16,000 with 1,600...

Wth jpegs, in certain shooting circumstances, yes. However, with the right raw convertor, such as DXO Optics Pro, you can now get great colour.

EVERY workflow should contain color correction. Use a Color checker Passport, take a reference shot at the beginning of the morning, afternoon, evening, etc, and you'll be perfectly fine.

I must admit, color correction has become much more important shooting with a GH4 than it is with a 5DmkII. With the 5D i could get away with occasionally forgetting to make the reference shot of the passport, but with the GH4 it is critical.

By the way; it's a total waste of time to even bother thinking about color correction if you don't calibrate your monitor.

I think Panasonic could grab some talent from other OEMs who are really good with sensor TO inage: i.e. Olympus or Canon, maybe Nikon. Otherwise, the cameras have many solid innovations and features, especially strong in video, focus precision, integrating compact EVFs (i.e. form factor) and manual focus protocols.

LX100 isn't larger - but it is also fixed lens, which helps to design around issues. That is tad bit more complicated with the ILCs.

Otherwise, I think Pana simply slacked. If they have managed to cram it into the LX100, they could have crammed it into the GM5 too. But they haven't tried hard enough - probably to protect the sales of GH4.

It is a good bit larger, perhaps GX7 size, and if I remember correctly, the LX100 doesn't even use the entire MFT sensor. So it's using a smaller portion for 12mp and has more space, im guessing the LX100 is the limit for this tech right now unless they figure out a better way to cool.

I've run my a6000 several times for almost 2 hours shooting video with ac adaptor and it has never overheated.

Since when are "entry level" cameras with smallish u4/3 sensors $900? The Olympus OM-D E-M1 might define the high end at around $1400, but there are u4/3 cameras starting at half the cost of a DMC-GM5.

+1 for the lack of a built in flash. I don't care much with EVF. May be Panasonic will update the GX7 as their have-it-all compact camera?