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Budget lighting: Flashpoint 180 Monolight review

Published Apr 1, 2014 | dpreview staff

Adorama's Flashpoint 180 Monolight is a battery-powered 180-watt strobe designed for on-location shooting in the middle of nowhere. The kit comes with everything needed to provide adequate fill light for scenes or soft key-light for portraits, minus the stand, which must be purchased separately. Despite its budget price tag, does the 180 Monolight have what it takes for professional use?

Read our Adorama Flashpoint 180 Monolight review

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xelarox

In the recent past, when you decided to buy a flash, you could be allowed to compare among the various offers of the market, knowing that the standard GN was (i.g. in meters) for 24x36, 100 ISO, 50 mm. (45°) = f. aperture to be used at 1 meter subject distance.
Now is a mess!

Mar 21, 2016permalink

ross attix

Not sure what daysatsea meant in the post beginning "As far as I remember..."

If the GN is 48, it means your flash exposure is f/4.8 at 10 feet, using ISO 100. Good luck getting an exposure of f/45 from a guide number of 48.

Feb 2, 2016permalink

daysatsea

Dear Sir......

Following previous post:

Unless my technical memories are completely wrong, I would say it is quite misleading to write that this Flash unit will give you "usable" light up to a distance of 48 meters !

Other way round: let's boost the ISOs!! OK so at 4 meters, shoot around f 2.8,
at 8 meters, still at f:2.8, but ISO @ 1600. Cool !

Now your subject is twice as far, 16 meters! You still want to shoot @ f:2.8. Easy, boost the ISOs: remember, 4 stops: now we reach ISO 25.000 +/-.....

So how could, even boosting ISOs, such a flash unit give a "usable" light at a distance of 48 meters....

Jan 25, 2016permalink

daysatsea

Dear Sir,

As far as I remember, the Guide Number (GN) is giving the f stop thas has to be used for a subject situated at a distance of 1 meter from the flash unit, with ISO 100.
So with GN 48, it means that you should use between f 45 and f 64 if your subject is 1 meter away.
Now if the distance from flash unit to subject becomes 2 meters ( double), then your light amount falls 4 times, = 4 stops. You should then use between f 11 and f 16...
Now if you double again the distance from falsh to subject, say 4 meters, then the light hitting (softly) your subject will again be divided by four, and you should then shoot between f 2.8 and f 4. !
We are talking here of a 4 meters distance between flash and subject.
Now if we wish to double again the distance, to reach 8 meters, then let's say it is getting difficult to find a lens four stops brighter than f2.8.....

Jan 25, 2016permalink

snakephoto

I own a pair of these lights..purchased from adorama when they were clearing out their stock… Any idea which Chinese company makes them???

Jan 6, 2016permalink

En Trance

There is no good way to support the battery pack. Generic bungie cords work best.

I had a battery failure after using the kit the third time. The H Batteries (High Output) that came with my kit are no longer available. Until they are replaced, I do not recommend the standard replacements. They are like night and day. Takes like 9 seconds for recharging between shots.

The kit is as good as the price. DC input is very convenient for field work.

Nov 12, 2015permalink

obsolescence

Why would I buy something that is likely to break?

Jun 18, 2015permalink

(unknown member)

nice

Jun 9, 2014*permalink

Dasher

I still gloat over my garage sale purchase of 2 1600 w/s Balcar strobes with power pack. Cost $2.00

May 11, 2014permalink

Big Sun Photography

Question to Anyone:
What advantage does this have over simply using a speedlight?

With a guide number of 48 which equates to even most cheap speedlights in the $100 range it's not producing any more light.

At five seconds for recovery, it's slower than any speedlight I have (even my cheap'o Yongunuo).

And it's still five times heavier and larger than a speedlight...

I fail to see any advantage here.

Apr 10, 2014permalink

hellocrowley

I had this light.

First you gotta remember that it's not very useful comparing GN between strobe and speedlight. It's best to compare them inside a softbox. In practice it's a bit more powerful than a Yongnuo 560.

Its strengths are: more efficient and even in a light modifier, can be used with many Bowen modifiers, more shots per charge, can be used in semi-barebulb mode. Anyway it's an ok strobe to learn on, I eventually upgraded to more powerful portable ones.

Apr 19, 2014permalink

digilux

Great dirt bike indeed

Apr 5, 2014permalink

KamilKokosz

this one is too clear for me too

Sep 24, 2015permalink

GEAH

That's a clean KDX200!

Apr 3, 2014permalink

Mike Perlman

Thanks. I rebuilt it from the crank up.

Apr 3, 2014permalink

JerryShots

I hope you managed to get that cotter pin in the rear axle...

Mar 17, 2016permalink

nycgazelle

I used this for a couple weeks until I returned it. I really like the price, the weight, the quality of light. Pared with a Chimera foldable octa 2 beauty dish it was heavne. I could fit a whole light kit and camera in a backpack...witha tiny fooldable light stand. The only issue i had was the wire from the battery to the flash unit. It was too short...and the battery did not clip well to the mono light...it fell multiple times with the slightest movement and the housing for the battery cracked. Had they a longer chord where I could just put the battery on the floor I would have kept it. Anyhow...tiny flash, great power, great price. I hope they release a better longer chord.

Apr 2, 2014permalink

snakephoto

Just cut the cord and extend it… simple really..

Jan 6, 2016permalink

disraeli demon

alberto_neconi - not sure about ancient Greek, but in modern Greek "mono" can mean "single"or "only" - so "monolight" could mean only the light, without an integral power source (hence the second pack for the batteries).

Apr 2, 2014permalink

alberto_nencioni

Monolight is the official name for flash torches that include everything into the same unit, where "everything" stays for condensers and power circuits, as opposed to "power pack" kits where power and control unit are housed in a box connetted by power cables to a generally light torch.
See a clear article by Adorama in http://www.adorama.com/alc/0008105/article/What-are-Monolights

Apr 2, 2014permalink

tripodfan

This story isn't funny. What kind of April Fool's is this?

Apr 2, 2014permalink

alberto_nencioni

A MONOlight is a self-contained unit (mono= one).
If you have TWO boxes it is not "mono".
This is a purely linguistic observation, but not a minor one: expecially if you work "in the wild" loose power cables mean oxidised connectors, people tripping over, wires kinking and internal copper threads breaking. For that money I would get a bucket of chinese thinghies on AA penlights and a good wireles trigger, and get better flexibility, more total light and a decent recharge time - with 5 secs you may only shoot still life. A guide number of 48 is nothing to boast about, while 250 bucks with QC issues and not even an el-cheapo stand is a matter for serious meditation.

Apr 2, 2014permalink

semorg

1 star for the review.

This light unit doesn't have much power and as stated by others it has a rather slow cycle time. For the same price you can buy couple of decent used Nikon strobes. They also use off the shelf batteries (AAs) and it gives you a of different options as far portability, etc.
I do a lot of strobe photography with cheap used strobes. Here's one example: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151843425982673&set=a.10151842731197673.1073741843.766737672

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Infared

Hey....after reading the whole review...This is a no-brainer for someone who wants to learn strobes....Sounds like there are some quality control issues...but definitely a good system to learn with. I just don't know how reliable this would be if you were out on any kind of serious shoot...it could let you down....

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Jacques Cornell

For the price, it's hard to argue about the value of this unit. I love the idea of using cheap, widely available camcorder batteries. The main thing that would put me off if I were in the market for a 180W flash (which I'm not) is the recycle. Five seconds is an eternity when I've finally got a portrait subject warmed up and they're laughing and moving.

Thing is, 180W is only about one stop more light than a good hotshoe flash. For the same price, I can get a pair of very nice Neewer TT850 manual hotshoe flashes that recycle in 1.5 seconds and, together, will give almost the same output as the Flashpoint. Faster recycle, more flexibility, smaller package, and remotely adjustable output. Also, no extra battery packs dangling and cords to trip over. OTOH, a monolight is a bit easier to set up, and, crucially, it offers a modeling light that can assist focus when working in a dark environment.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Photog74

"It carries a guide number of 48, which means it can cast usable light from a maximum of 48 meters"

That's a bit of an oversimplification, don't you think? The correct definition would be something like this. "At full power, it can provide proper illumination from a distance of 48 metres when using an f/1 lens and a sensitivity setting of ISO 100/21°, as long as you shoot without a light modifier."

Otherwise a fine review (though I do believe Biowizard has it right and you ought to substitute Watt seconds for Watts). What I do miss are the t0.1 and t0.5 figures, even if I realise they do not matter much when using a 5D Mark III with its measly 1/200s sync speed. Some of us use cameras that sync at much higher speeds and it does matter if the t0.1 time at full power is 1/200s or something closer to 1/500s.

Apr 1, 2014*permalink

Nikonparrothead

Kind of. an interedtng product and half the price of the Godox bare bulb options ( that Adorama is marketing under its Flashpoint brand now too). It's clearly just a fill light outdoors but definitely a bargain.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

daddyo

I've had one of these lights for about a year and use it regularly for location portraits (Head and Shoulders, etc.) -- it is an absolute bargain, since it has everything you need except a light stand in a small carrying case.
The modeling light is a bit of an afterthought, but adequate for light placement.
I will probably be ordering another just to have as a backup -- it's a bargain in my opinion -- especially it you catch it on sale at Adorama.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Jacques Cornell

Good to hear from an actual owner. I'm intrigued by this kit. Would you fill me in a bit? How quickly does the modeling light deplete the battery? Can you leave it on for an all-day or half-day shoot? How long is the power cord? Also, what's the recycle time at half power? Thanks in advance.

Apr 1, 2014*permalink

daddyo

Jacques,
Sorry for the slow response -- been busy.:-)
I have not tried leaving the modeling light on full time, so can't answer your first question. The modeling light is pretty token, but is useful for initial lighting placement.
The power cord is 5 ft. long. However, I simply keep my battery pack in a Think Tank lens pouch, and bought a spring locking 'S' clip from my local Container Store. When shooting I simply clip the lens pouch w/battery pack to the light stand.
Recycle time at half power is a second or two at most.
The beauty of this set up is that the batteries are Sony video batteries that are easily available and not expensive. I recently bought a couple spares on sale for $25/pair!

Apr 2, 2014permalink

TLD

That's a strange choice of subject mater for a strobe review. With all their curves, angles, and shiny bits, I thought vehicles are generally lit without modifiers, or in a full blown cyclorama.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

aroundomaha

This seems like a good value. It wasn't that long ago I paid more than this for just a portable battery to shoot outdoors. At this price you get a low cost strobe that doesn't make you paranoid to use in uncontrolled outdoor environments. Watching a $500-$1000 mono light topple over in the wind isn't a good feeling.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Infared

I say go with this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SMDV-Speed-Light-PS-360-Bare-Bulb-Flash-aka-Godox-Wistro-AD-360-PB960-Battery-/321311581242?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item4acfa9a43a

or this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/By-UPS-Godox-WITSTRO-AD-180-Flash-Light-Speedlite-w-PB960-Black-Battery-Pack-/261181051986?pt=Digital_Camera_Flashes&hash=item3ccf9a9452

You are TOTALLY portable with lots of power and fast recycle!!!!!!

Apr 1, 2014permalink

brn

and a lot more expensive.

Apr 3, 2014permalink

Biowizard

I really WISH people writing technical reviews would understand their units. If this flash REALLY produced just 180W of power - for the 1,000th of a second or so that it is illuminated, it would be of no use to anyone. What it DOES produce is 180Ws (Watt seconds), or 180J (Joules - same thing as Ws). And 180J in (say) 1,000th of a second is actually 180,000W.

Brian

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Philip Nash

err... have you seen the price?! 3 SB900's are going to cost serious money compared to this!

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Clueless Wanderer

Hmm.. 180w. Given that an sb900 is around 78(ish) watts and a three flash bracket is relatively cheap, I find 180w to be too low a power to warrant the purchase of such a unit.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

AshMills

Oh, can you get 3 sb900s and a three flash bracket, etc for $200 now?

Apr 1, 2014permalink

luxor2

He says he is clueless!

Apr 1, 2014permalink

TLD

See Biowizard's comment above. It should have read 180Ws. I don't know how many SB900s you'd need to match it, but it would be heaps more that two or three methinks.

Apr 1, 2014permalink

Daniel Lauring

Also, this is an open bulb so it is more efficient than a speedlite in enclosures designed for open bulbs and of course it already has a Bowens mount built in so you don't need the bracket. Then there is the fact you get way more cycles from it and the rechargeable batteries are included. Overall, this is an incredibly good value, if you are OK with the light output.

I bought two of these kits for outdoor portrait lighting. I find they run a little bit cool but otherwise work well. I liked the concept of a small light so much I ended up buying the more expensive Godox open bulb lights so these will go.

Apr 1, 2014*permalink

Clueless Wanderer

3 speed lights are way more compact/easily transportable and are AA battery friendly. So for this lights given output I side on speed lights. An engineer once told me that due to the size of the capacitors in the SB900 he guestimated the watts second to be around the 78 mark. If this is true, that's 3 speedlights punching 234 watt seconds.

On the surface, the unit does seem value for money, but without knowing its colour consistancy and durational speed, I couldn't pass comment of its true value at that price.

Okay, my original posting was not without bias. I already own 3 speed lights, are looking for more power and 180 watts would not be enough to make a real difference to me, hence my remark.

Apr 2, 2014*permalink

StanRogers

The SB900/910 is nowhere near the same class until you group a big bunch of them (not 3). Watt·seconds (Joules) aren't the sole measure of output, and aren't directly comparable between units of different designs. For instance, you would need to use a dome diffuser on the speedlights to even approximate the spread of light in a softbox or reflector unit (other than the built-in reflector+Fresnel), so you lose light there (and throw another flash on the barbie). So now you're up to $2-2.5K in speedlights (plus bracket, accessory adapter, and multiple triggers/splitters, plus 48 to 60 batteries if you plan to shoot for any length of time) to replace a single $250 monolight. That's great if you're shooting with Joe McNally' budget; not optimal for Joe Blow.

Apr 2, 2014permalink

Steen K

The endless pain with almost all of these battery powered flash units are the unusable slow sync speeds which are only suitable for indoor use unless you are prepared to use heavy ND filters to avoid stopping down. I very often work at allmost fully open aperture and find that only speedlights are practical, lots of them to compeed with the sun. So come on, makes us some reasonable priced high power ETTL compatible flash units! What a releif that would be...

Apr 2, 2014permalink

rockjano

OF COURSE NOT SB 800-900 but cheap and good Yongnuo 560II or rather 560III 2-3-of them makes similar amount of light… BUT forget the reflector it cannot mak really hard light (you will see the 3 light source) and it is not very light either and could be cumbersome with the bracket. And no modelling light. But IT IS an option. Or the Godox 180-360 but they are not very cheap. Or the Godox Wing that is also great…

Apr 2, 2014permalink

macaddict

I'm not promoting this particular unit, but don't even consider replacing something like this with a speedlight if you'll be shooting quickly at full power- speedlights experience heat stroke very easily and shut down until they feel better. I've had SB900's seize-up mid-shoot and take 5-10 minutes to come back. Their compact design is tempting for convenience but completely inappropriate for rapid fire with a significant discharge.

Apr 2, 2014permalink

Clueless Wanderer

@ macaddict. With Alkaline batteries, sb900 suffer's less over heat issue's and has faster recycling times. I use NiMH and if it shows over heat, I pop the batteries out to speed up cooling. If I have a fridge or freezer close by, I pop them in that, to speed up the cooling

Apr 5, 2014permalink

ttbek

Those saying the amount of light isn't comparable. .. they give a guide number, the entire point of which is such comparison. As for overheating, good speedlights have built in overheating prevention where they increase the recycle time rather than suddenly shut down on you (e.g. Metz flashes). Metz 58 or 64 would provide more light unless someone can give me a genuine reason why the GN here cannot be compared. They are also more expensive new though.

Apr 2, 2015permalink

ttbek

For Steen, have you considered that technique of using a flash with HSS at low power to trigger studio lights (at fairly high power so they have a duration longer than your shutter speed) via optical triggers?

Apr 2, 2015permalink

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