For our latest Field Test video we took the Sony a7R II not-quite south of the border to Marfa, Texas and into Big Bend National Park.
There we met photographer Theron Humphrey (Maddie on Things, This Wild Idea) and his internet-famous dog Maddie to help us test the a7R II with a collection of Sony FE lenses. Despite the oppressive heat and rough roads, the impressive sunsets and incredible starlit night skies were well worth the trip. You've read our full review of the Sony A7R II - now see how it performs out in the field in a range of shooting situations.
I don't get why people can't handle that this is not an advert. They are spending more time looking at the most advanced camera with the most advanced sensor that has ever been made (35mm at least). It is actually good enough to be a professional movie camera as well. That is just amazing any way you look at it.
I don't have any investment in the Sony company or Sony gear, but I can recognize when a camera is a game changer. There are cameras that represent a leap forward - the 5Dmk2, D800 and this are the ones that come to mind from the last few years. I would expect each of those to get a similar level of coverage if they were to come out today.
Anyway, we live in an extremely exciting time for camera gear. Stop complaining and enjoy it. You can always skip the sony articles, but you can't say that they are not popular or justified - just look at the number of comments on each of them.
Well said. I really don't get the animosity towards any brand and at the end of the day it all comes across as a bunch of petulant children arguing about who has the coolest toys. Sony is getting a lot of coverage now because Sony is the brand that's pushing the envelope. We all benefit from these advances in technology as other brands will be forced to adopt and potentially improve on the advancements that Sony is bringing to the table. No, the A7RII isn't the perfect camera, and it still has its weaknesses, but that doesn't change the fact that the camera is one of those game changing cameras that photographers of any brand loyalty should be celebrating.
Some people don't like change. Especially when it might be a change from what they've become accustomed to (such as mirrorless vs DSLR, or EVF vs OVF, or all the camera attention being mainly focused on Canon and Nikon, etc.).
I personally like that camera equipment is evolving. DSLRs are great, but there really should be other options in the ILC market. And there really ought to be other players besides the old conservative stalwarts (Canikon) that can bring fresh ideas to the market. Thank goodness for companies like Sony, Fuji, Olympus etc. I like that they are bringing cameras and equipment to the market that reflect a unique point of view that deviates from the standard DSLR point of view. We should really be embracing this diversity, not attacking it.
Very enjoyable read and great way of explaining the strengths of this camera - I'm still on fence re video but some of the scenes in here really helped whet the appetite to explore more.
Once again you guys are hitting the nail on the head with these videos.
This is by far the best of the videos you have produced (my other favorites being the NX1 and a6000). The mix of outstanding locations, great photographers and technical aspects of the camera make it for a very balanced view.
My only niggle with it: make it longer than 15 minutes. :D
Nice job. I really liked the architectural shots, the wigwams at night, the mobile home and the art gallery. Wish that they'd been able to get some shots of the Donald Judd sculpture museum.
It's getting to the point where, after reading all the people's comments complaining about the Sony A7RII receiving "disproportionate" attention on DP Review, that I can only offer the Interwebs basic reply of:
Congrats DPR and your photographer dog pair true believers in the creative process as am I. He has it right, we are the camera and the camera is our assistant. Wonderful. And the dog is essential, the pair bond teaches us to be in the moment something that is so pure and so pristinely important.
And yes, I think this camera is a true ground breaker. I has flaws as do all cameras, but a major break thru. Very innovative and in the next year as they improve and refine it, look out Sony is truly moving forward. Their new FS5 coming out is simply amazing looking for example.
Really nice video guys, congrats and thanks. When I see things like this, I'm sad for you when I see the comments of your news, where photography is far behind the war between trolls and fanboys of all kinds... When I see you respond calmly in the comments, I'm all the more respectful for what you do. Continue like that please !
A lot of useful info in this tastefully done video. The series is just getting better and better. A pleasure to watch, contrary to mundane studio scenes (although they have their place as well). A very nice and effective attempt to balance photography and gear talk.
Very nice! I soon forgot that it was a Sony-specific test as I enjoyed wathing you guys go about shooting and filming. I think we all can agree that the A7 rII is a fantastic piece of technology even if most of us will never afford to get one or it´s Ziess lenses. I am really looking forward to the weekend and getting my own gear out, even though it´s "just" my beloved Olympus m43 camera. Thank you for inspiring me!
Heh, if I had 5 grand to spare I'd be all over that A7R II + 35mm Distagon combo... Tho in all likelihood I'd still prefer MFT when opting for zooms since they're positively tiny by comparison. Maybe one day I'll pick up an A7 and some primes, at the pace Sony is going they're definitely on track to leave a trail of old models on clearance out there...
Video itself was definitely a good watch, frankly it's one of the least spec focused field tests so I dunno what others are complaining about.
Very well made video, thank you. Enjoyed every minute of it with no regard to the equipment used or talked about. That is probably how reviews should be, not about the gear, but what can be done with it (not the window, but what can be seen through it).
People have to remember that there are several A7 II models. Even though they may look the same and start with the same name (A7), they are not the same camera. A7 II, A7S II, A7R II are all different cameras. So it makes sense that each would have its own articles or reviews.
Sony is the only company bringing something new to the table. What's there to say about Olympus or Panasonic, with their same old same old 16mp sensors? Does Oympus even bother to offer 4K? FUJI are still banging on with with their good ol' 12mp sensor, now 5 years old, that's barely good enough for stills and incapable of video. Samsung have quit for good. And Canon and Nikon are asleep.
When you see Sony on the sidelines of a football game, at a lot of weddings, or anywhere professionals are, you'll know they've made it. So far, not that I've seen.
@Photoworks Why don't get your info right before speaking? And now all of a sudden. a photo camera is judged based on wether it has 4K video or not. Not just even just video!! Seriously? Who are the DPR audience these days? This is not Engadget or The Verge!
Well, Rich, the photographer (Gene Lower, Google it) for the Arizona Cardinals is using it as his main camera. As far as weddings, it's popping up all over the place, both for video and stills (nice to have something that's versatile!). I don't know why people are so threatened by this camera - it's a piece of gear, and while I own one, I wouldn't hesitate to go back to Canon or switch to Nikon if they would start INNOVATING, instead of just creating cameras with bigger sensors. This was a nice video, although I don't think I would go so far as to call it a review (but that's been done a LOT, so why do another?). Really inspiring and enjoyable to watch!
@RichRMA - There is always a beginning to everything. And the beginning often looks as if nothing is really happening.
I think it's a bit silly to compare the "number of pros currently using..." You have to remember that the number of pros using Canon and Nikon equipment is literally the accumulation of decades of Canon and Nikon systems being in the market, whereas the Sony FF mirrorless system has only been in existence since October 2013. These so-called "mass shifts" do not happen overnight. But as I said earlier, everything has a beginning. And we are at the beginning, as we speak. The writing is on the wall. And you can tell your grandchildren that you were there at the beginning.
Actually, it's not silly IF you buy into the arguments made by the Sony users about this product being "revolutionary." If it were, then people would be dumping their old systems en masse and adopting the Sony. At least pros would. The Sony does offer some unique attributes, but they are not enough and it is still not good enough in some areas to promote rapid change.
@RichRMA - "dump their old system en masse"?!? No. It would be a gradual transition that will take years. There will be a steady attrition of DSLR users over the course of time. That's the natural, realistic course of things. Any expectation that thousands of users are suddenly going to dump their existing system "en masse" is simply foolish and unrealistic. The transition is going to take some time...more time than the transition from film to digital probably; with the film-to-digital transition, you just bought a digital version of your film body. Plus, let's not forget that the Sony FF MILC system was only introduced 2 years ago, and the cameras are still evolving and maturing. In 5 years, I think Sony FF mirrorless bodies will be far more advanced than they are now, and only then will the bodies be truly attractive to a wider swath of pro users. We are still in the very, very, *VERY* early days of this camera system. As I said early, it's only the beginning.
@@RichRMA - the Sony camera bodies are still maturing, the lens system is still filling out, and even the adapters being made for the system are still evolving. The system is like a child just learning to walk, and you're expecting it to run! Give the system some time to mature a bit more. It still hasn't reached the point of critical mass where it offers all the things that a wide range of pro users would need or want. But they'll get there. I think that point will come when the lens system is fleshed out more, the smart adapters for the system are more mature, and they migrate to larger batteries (the current ones are absolutely tiny). They'll also probably roll out a "pro" body, like an A9. A "halo" body. But like I said, the bodies are still evolving and maturing.
Why is the epitome of photography taking photos of adults playing children's games? How pathetic that Ansel Adams was, he only took photos of landscapes.
Ironically, the Sony system has the potential to be the camera with the most lenses for it. Not only do you have the growing FE system (8 more FE lenses due by Spring 2016), but you can adapt a huge variety of lenses to it, from Leica M rangefinder lenses, to Canon EF lenses, and now Nikon F lenses with the new Commlite adapter being the first (probably the first of many) to offer full compatibility with Nikon F:
Read through all the comments. Yikes, there are alot of people who really do need to get a life. I switched from Canon to Sony this year and never saw this as a video about a camera, but more about shooting out doors. I'd be delighted to see more videos like this and I don't care which camera is used. Videos like this inspire me to use my camera. Yes the a7rii is nice, I love mine. But in the right hands any camera can be wonderful.
I really loved this. Thanks so much. hats off to Barney as we can really see you developing into this role. I, of course envy you. I found myself feeling inspired to use my camera more. No higher praise than that!
Minor point-Tell Humphrey he got his film terms crisscrossed. It was expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights. If you didn't have shadow detail in your exposure, you weren't getting any in the developing.
But yep...last time I shot film I was using Portra VC 4x5 and I was putting the highlights in one of those "zones" (maybe, IV? I forgot these days) and then pushing the development...or something like that! Been years now
... and digital should be exposed for the highlights, and pushed in post, for LDR displays anyway.
This shift in exposure philosophy or, more to the point, the lack of doing so has, in my opinion, caused a lot of DPs to think that neg film still far surpasses the DR of digital sensors, because of a perceived lower number of stops between midtones and clipping. But really, the two mediums need to be exposed differently. And if anything, almost all tones had lower SNR to boot with negative film, as DXO rather eloquently showed
Log gamma capture is, at least, trying to help videographers expose digital more optimally, by brightening shadows/midtones so much as to essentially encourage underexposure to protect highlights. It's a very interesting topic.
I thought you suppose to expose to the right in histogram (highlight should be hitting close to the edge that is). So it reduce the post processing of shadow recovery with minimal noise and perhaps a touch reduce of highlight to look better.
Yes, that's correct, highlights should be hitting close to the right edge. That is exposing for the highlights - I'm not suggesting exposing highlights as middle grey :-P
And for high contrast scenes, like sunrises and sunsets, even when you do get the highlights up against the right, the shadows are black when displayed on our LDR/dim monitors. Doesn't mean they're even really dark shadows per se - these shadows may be visible without any shadow pushing whatsoever on future, bright HDR devices. Recall that the post-processing step is to work around our dim/LDR output devices, as well as for artistic intent.
This is why the argument of 'shadows shouldn't be pushed' is wrong on so many levels - not only does such an argument ignore artistic intent, it also ignores the realities of our limited output devices, and the role the output device plays in the photographic imaging chain.
Seems like these videos are a big hit for you guys. Good job. This also says a lot of the future of the still cameras, if it can't do video well (dslrs) you are way behind the times and need to get your act together.
Excellent video. You are really getting good at this, DPR folks. Informative, fun, well paced... well worth the time. And that is very rare on the net, where video is almost always a waste of time that would have been much more productively spent on text. Nice to see someone has a firm grip of what makes the medium sing, as it were.
Although that accent does simply not go with the lumberjack shirt and the cowboy hat. I kept hoping Barney would switch to a tweed jacket with suede elbow patches, a bow tie, and round Oxford commie glasses. Oh well.
I go every year. The birding is unreal. I am surprised you did not go to the Chisos Basin? The sunsets in the mountains there are otherworldly. Very nice video that makes me homesick. :)
I noticed a reddish cast, or warmth, to much of the video. It was not evident in most stills. Is there an inherent bias in the sensor (as I seem to notice in many A7R2 videos)? If you want a more neutral appearance, is it as easy to filter out the color cast as it is in stills? Or is the video deliberately warm to create a mood?
I very much enjoyed the production; it's the best example of the camera's capability I have seen.
So Barney are you telling me that this Sony is 100% prefect with NO faults or criticisms ?..i watched this for a second time and at no time was an any type of negative comment levied at this camera ....Sony cannot have made a better "informercial " To me it look just like an advert ...or the only other explanation is total Sony fanboyism Disclaimer ..i am not anti Sony as i was debating weather to pull the trigger on a A7ii or not
@dave8, go watch a few of the field test videos on their youtube channel. They are generally a positive impression of what its like to use the camera. Its is apparent they chose cameras that they genuinely like for this type of piece.
I don't think they are intended to be an end-all be-all assessment.
Their list of cons for the a7RII can be found here:
I was given 100% off my next purchase of a cactus. Also, as the director of this series I would like to point out that while these are not meant to be exhaustive reviews of gear, I literally have zero bad things to say about the a7rii. If I had an extra 3.5k laying around, I would buy it in a heartbeat. This camera is getting a lot of coverage because Sony listened to what people like me wanted and delivered.
@davev8 If you want a negative review, wait until they do one on one of your Canon bodies. They'll have plenty to discuss! Your own bias is incredibly obvious.
DAPAL I have no bias i not say any brand so how on earth do you get that?????(please tel us how its so obvious) i own canon, Sony, Nikon, Fuji(dslr &mirrorles). Olympus...very nearly get a Sony A7ii..just recommended a panny GM1/5 to a friend . yes i like canon ..thats my point i can make a list of canon short comings...in fact the camera i have slagged of the most on DPR is the Canon 50D......this vid i liked watching BUT i cannot see it going towards helping any one to make in informed buying decision ..sony will love it so will sony fanboys as it must prove that its is the best camera in the world....ever
Oh man, how to *I* get 100% off my next purchase of a cactus! Do they come filled with plate sized spiders that explode out of it when I take it through customs? If they don't they're useless to me :D
The a7r version 1 is an incredible camera that I really have no qualms with and work with professionally. I don't really see any setbacks or negatives with the improved version. It has everything a camera could ever want to be. Finally content I really enjoyed watching on DP review. Great job.
I respect a person that is always ready to make a great cup of coffee no matter where they wake up. When traveling my camera and coffee gear takes up more room than my clothing.
Also, I really like the review. I actually find this format more digestible than the normal written reviews. I'm becoming more of a video nut and appreciate the added context of the review being produced with the actual device.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I really don't see how the Pentax K-1 can gain traction in the current market with a mirrored FF body. Which seems like a really bad case of too-little too-late to me. ie, it seems as though Pentax had all the time in the world to enter the full frame market but chose to stick with the low lying fruit in terms of product development. Which came at the cost of making an entry point into FF appear next to impossible. And more importantly, why I believe Pentax's new FF camera won't make and impact for all but it's existing user base.
Having said that, I also question what possible features Pentax could bring to the market that could allow them to stand-out and compete with the current market segment?
My take on Pentax is that they should be focusing on mirrorless rather than outdated tech so as to enter a current competitive market. Otherwise, it looks as though the K-1 will only extend on the same market trend that they had in the past.
That is self-evident, Barney ;) And Esstee, a lot of people have a lot of opinions on what Ricoh Imaging (= Pentax) should or should not do, but they have been building very fine DSLRs for years and in contrast to some of their competitors are actually profitable. They've had a looong time to consider this step, and in terms of unique features there are rumours of a hybrid viewfinder (optical with several overlays). Other than that, Pentax has always featured great ergonomics, weather sealing and in-body SR (which also enables tilt-shift simulation, AA-filter simulation, astro-tracing etc.), and the MSRP of its recently released 24-70 f/2.8 ($1,300) is pointing towards a very affordable package. If Pentax can deliver a camera that performs somewhere in between D750 and D810 level for the price of a D750, then quite a few people might be tempted.
I think what it shows is that full-frame is the new APS-C and eventually APS-C will just kind of go away. Don't forget that once upon a time, the Kodak Instamatic was everywhere and now you hardly ever see them anymore—let alone Flashcubes.
The sticky label placed over the spot where the name is peeled off a bit on one of the exhibited models, and most people agree that it looked like it said K1.
@SmilerGrogan - it's absolutely absurd to compare APS-C to Kodak Instamatic. 110 film had terrible image quality compared to 35mm film. It went away because the IQ simply wasn't there. That's not the case with APS-C sensors. APS-C offers abundant IQ for the overwhelming majority of users. In most cases, you'll never be able to tell the difference between an image shot by FF vs an image shot by APS-C. There's no *reason* for APS-C to go away. But there was a reason for smaller film formats such as 110 film to go away: the IQ just wasn't there.
Also, people forget that a FF sensor is considerably more expensive to produce. Therefore, FF cameras will always be more expensive than their comparably-spec'd APS-C camera counterparts. FF lenses are also larger. Not everyone wants to use larger FF lenses. Nor does everyone want to pay FF camera prices. An A6000 that shoots at 11fps is now as low as $400, new. Meanwhile the price for a FF A7 which does 5fps is still $998.
@@SmilerGrogan - rather than thinking of FF as being the "new APS-C", I see FF as the new medium format, whereas APS-C has become the new 35mm. FF is going to be for users who have more specialized needs, such as ultra high resolution (28+ megapixels) or ultra-high ISO shooting or shallower DOF. For everyone else (ie, the vast majority of shooters), there's 35mm film...or in the digital age, APS-C format sensors.
Barney and staff, thanks for these video reviews. Maybe next time you can make it to Alpine and or the Santa Helena Canyon. Keep up the good work and keep the videos coming.
I realize this video showcases the A7rII and many have rightly pointed out the camera is receiving a disproportionate amount of coverage on dpreview. But for this particular video I recommend putting the gear talk aside and watch it for everything else it offers, which IMO is an inspirational story about an independent photographer making his way through the country with his best friend, taking great images along the way. At three minutes into the video I found myself completely zoning out the camera and focused on the content, which is the first time that's happened to me watching a dpreview gear-oriented video.
It must be extremely depressing being a DPR journo and reading every other morning that you're a Sony or Amazon company man, penning needless articles about the A7rii to keep the backhanders coming in.
Please try for a minute and let some of the enthusiasm and quality journalism that this camera has generated amongst the editors and contributors of this site into your life.
The camera is not getting disproportionate coverage - it's a big deal, and responsible journalists are keeping you informed about it.
The A7rII is receiving more coverage on dpreview than any other camera that I can recall. I don't attribute this to any nefarious Sony bias - I'm guessing it's a combination of authentic enthusiasm for the camera in combination with more editorial resources available now vs previous time frames. In terms of proportionality of coverage vs technological advancement things may be a bit off - in reality the A7rII is an incremental upgrade to the A7r, with slightly better resolution and DR, plus the incorporation of technology available in other cameras (IBIS and 4K). Perhaps by dint of all this is being packaged into a single camera is what makes it stand out and worthy of the extensive coverage.
Since the A7R II really is a big deal in terms of camera evolution, this results in the discrete reviews that were seeing now. The first being the stills side and now the video aspect of it.
That said if this feels unfair, then you really need to ask yourself why rather than blaming the reviewers.
Fairness never entered into the equation for me; that connotes a personal perspective on a matter I consider rather dispassionate since we're just talking about inanimate objects. My POV is whether the level of coverage is commensurate with whatever dpreview's strategy/goals are.
If the primary goal is to rightsize coverage vs interest and the site's metrics indicate the majority of visitors are looking for information about the A7rII then that makes sense.
If the primary goal is to be on the leading edge of the camera industry and technology reporting even if that technology is in an expensive body with relatively low volumes but with an eye toward that technology eventually trickling down into lower-end cameras then that makes sense.
If the primary goal is to provide review information for the types of cameras currently searched/purchased most often (esp during the holiday season) then I would venture to guess that the A7rII's coverage relative to other models makes less sense.
The term "fairness" was with respect to the conclusion that comes from bringing new innovations to market. That said, when looking at the current state of the digital camera segment, I'd simply ask "where are the class leading camera's" and leave it at that.
From what I can see, Sony's brute force approach is making waves. And this is precisely why were seeing so much backlash in the comment sections. But the fact remains that no other camera manufacturer has brought anything comparable to the table, and so the conclusion logically follows.
As for the video promo and it's focus, it is identical to the D800 stills and video promo DPR ran back when it was first introduced.
Horshack - I'm a little surprised you think the a7R II is an incremental upgrade over the a7R. I think much the opposite: the a7R is a camera I cannot recommend at all, while the a7R II is a camera I would recommend possibly above all others - so they're quite the diametric opposite in my opinion.
The a7R's shutter shock is very real, and limits your ability to use the camera at long focal lengths over a wide range of shutter speeds. AF is so slow that when I've taken it with me on a wedding shoot as a backup to the 5D Mark III, I literally had clients asking 'what camera are you shooting with?' in disbelief at how long they have to stand still while I wait for the camera to focus, constantly missing candid moments due to the delay from focus hunting.
The a7R II is the exact opposite: electronic shutter not only removes shutter shock, IBIS makes even slower shutter speeds hand-holdable. And AF for candid people shots is literally faster than a DSLR. Wish it had IR-assist AF though.
Rishi, you're right, I forgot to mention the vibration and AF improvements. In terms of delta to the A7r for those two aspects I would agree with your assessment. However in terms to delta to what's already available in other cameras including Sony's own A7s/A7/A7II the improvements seems less impressive to me. For AF I suppose I'm spoiled but having owned an E-M5 for several years now I'm accustomed to having an AF system that never misses for the static subjects, so Sony's improvement from a rather poor base seems less like a technological advancement to me and more just fixing issues. I think that's the general theme I feel about the A7rII as a whole - an A7r with first-generation bugs fixed. Taken as a whole that makes the A7rII a very impressive camera. Taken as the individual parts it strikes me as a camera that has just caught up to everything else on the market.
Excellent! Really enjoyed it. Lots more in this vein please... Instructive, entertaining, and fun. And clearly the IQ is there to see in this camera. Thank you DPreview.
I liked your NX500 video better. It costs about 1/8th of the A7R2 with only a 1 stop difference for image quality. 4K video looks sharper/cleaner too. There are too many more mainstream options to consider like Panasonic.
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The NONS SL660 is an Instax Square instant camera with an interchangeable lens design. It's made of CNC-milled aluminum alloy, has an SLR-style viewfinder, and retails for a $600. We've gone hands-on to see what it's like to shoot with.
Recently, DJI made Waypoints available for their Mavic 3 series of drones, bringing a formerly high-end feature to the masses. We'll look at what this flight mode is and why you should use it.
Astrophotographer Bray Falls was asked to help verify the discovery of the Andromeda Oxygen arc. He describes his process for verification, the equipment he used and where astronomers should point their telescopes next.
OM Digital Solutions has released firmware updates for the following cameras to add compatibility support for its new M.Zuiko Digital ED 90mm F3.5 Macro IS PRO lens: OM-D E-M1 Mark II, E-M1 Mark III, E-M5 Mark III, E-M1X, and OM-5.
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