Canon EOS RP added to studio test scene comparison, sample gallery updated

The usual Canon, Nikon, Sony, Fuji spec heads doing what they do best. I'd bet a paycheck if you subjected any one of them to a blind test all this spec mumbo jumbo would fall to pieces. Either a photo looks pleasing to the eye or it doesn't....that is all...point blank period.

Apr 8, 2019permalink

DavidIllig

Bingo. I have an M5, an RP, a 6D II, and a 5D IV. While they may be suited to different purposes (to some extent), there is no difference in image quality between them. And on a computer display, you can add my old 6MP Nikon D100 to that list.

May 8, 2019permalink

micsmics

The problem downloading more than half of RAW samples (by Richard Butler)

Mar 16, 2019permalink

Reactive

I'm very impressed by the RP's noise at ISO3200, RAW, for example. It's easily comparable to the 5D MkIV. If you compare it to the Olympus OM-D EM1 MkII, and an APS-C (the 80D for example), the RP makes a very good case for itself... while the expensive OM-D should run away and hide in a corner.

Mar 16, 2019permalink

eno2

So this is how the new Canon EOS cRaP performs (like it's name).

"c & a" being implied by everything Canon has crippled to hell out of this camera.

Mar 10, 2019permalink

LeicaBOSS

That's a really insightful comment! You seem to know a lot about cameras. I'm in the market - which other $1200 full frame camera performs better?

Mar 12, 2019permalink

eno2

Fist of all it is 1300$ not 1200$ and that's for USA only! If you add the kit lens it's 2200$ (BH prices).
In Europe it's more expensive at 1500eu body only or 2500eu with the kit lens (Amazon DE prices). For about the same or less money you can get the Sony A7RII, which is vastly superior in any department (including battery life). By the I've got the Sony A7III on a quick February deal and it costed as much as the EOS cRaP in Europe.
For what it's worth the Canon EOS cRaP is actually very expensive especially with the kit lens and offers so little in return!

Mar 12, 2019*permalink

LeicaBOSS

I came from the Sony ecosystem. Nothing wrong with Sony. The Sony bodies even have a few more gizmos and better sensors if you peep charts and expose poorly. All true.

What really blew my mind is how much easier the shooting experience is, and how I got more value and performance from $1,200 of RF lenses than Sony was able to offer in years (24-105 + 35/1.8.) I anticipate some kind of argument that my personal experience is objectively wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If you need to be a superfan, that's fine. You'll always have better DxO scores and spec sheets.

Mar 12, 2019permalink

$2000 lens versus $300-$600 lenses

I guess the RP needs all the help it can get?

Mar 9, 2019permalink

After School Sports

It's really quite a nice camera for the enthusiast market. Overall I think this is going to be a market changer, not in terms of feature sets or performance, but in consumer spending behaviour. They will sell them faster than they can produce them.

I find the raw results from the low light scene to be quite good above ISO 800 (and below as well tbh), which is generally where I shoot. I tend to agree with other members comments regarding the lens influencing the results. I also agree that yes the 6D1 appears to be an exceptional sensor.

Mar 9, 2019permalink

iRanN

6Di hurt canon’s sales on pro bodies, in my opinion that’s the reason they’ve been crippling cameras since, 6Dii, this RP is the perfect example. Regardless of that this camera will sell well do to price but people shouldn’t hope to get an RPii for less than $1699 next time around, probably sporting the now old 30mp sensor from the R

Mar 9, 2019permalink

LeicaBOSS

The whole concept of a camera being "crippled" is kind of absurd. The images we all see here make it really clear that spending 3x the money on a nominally "pro" camera doesn't amount to much from a photography perspective.

Mar 12, 2019permalink

RLight

2nd side note, that EF 24mm f/2.8 IS USM looks good on the RP. Punchy.

Mar 9, 2019permalink

Bob 1

Thank you Carey/DPR for the Studio Scene test(s)... these are great and, for me, provide what I use to determine if I need/want to upgrade for image detail/quality. Feature sets alone have almost convinced me to upgrade in the past... even to switch brands. However the image scene tests (along with price) always seem to bring me back to reality! I'll stick with my 6D (org) for now. Again, thanks from a hobbyist just having fun. HAGD :)

Mar 8, 2019permalink

RLight

@Carey

Special request:

If you guys find the time, could you do a EF 85mm f/1.8 USM adapted on the R and RP on the studio scene and post somewhere? I have a hunch the optic itself (RF 50mm f/1.2L) is coming into play between t-stop and native rendering after closer review.

Btw, I agree with moving forward with the RF 50mm f/1.2L or whatever RF suitable comes to bear in the future. But, curious to see if perhaps a CFA change is coming into play, or not.

Thanks!

Mar 8, 2019permalink

captura

And while you're at it, that same lens adapted on a Sony A7, for comparison?

Mar 8, 2019permalink

After School Sports

Yeah I'm starting to get a bit of that impression myself.

Mar 9, 2019permalink

SeekingSharpness

Anyone know how to find out which lens was used for each camera in this comparison? Did i miss that detail?

Mar 8, 2019permalink

chavim

Hover over the little "i" icon to see which lens was used.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Viggo

Pic #26 and #27; how and why do one screw up the exposure that bad when using an EVF, I see this aaaaall the time when people are posting both raw and JPEG, or edited vs non-edited. It’s just setting oneself up for failure and to show IQ of a camera is the worst thing to do....

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Carey Rose

I mean, sometimes it's a choice between an underexposed photo and no photo at all. And come on, that puppy is too cute to choose 'no photo.'

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Viggo

Yes, well, that’s poor technique. Anyway, if it’s was ONE shot here and there, fair enough, but this happens aaaall they time.

Also remembering that all cameras underexpose as default. I’m shooting with the R and usually I’m at 1 and 1/3 stop over, using the histogram in the VF and having the controlring on the lens, it’s a simple 1/10th of a second adjustment .

I agree that the puppy is cute enough to forgive a little under :oP

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Joohan

I’ve noticed that the EVF is usually much brighter than reality in the default settings. I’ve had quite many shots taken that looks great in the EVF but are underexposed when viewing on the lcd. I don’t bother troo much since it is only a tad adjustment needed in Lightroom. I know the information is there since it looks great in the EVF.

Mar 9, 2019permalink

Viggo

Joohan:

I always adjust the brightness of EVF and screen to match the histogram, that way you can easily see what is clipped in the file, directly on screen or evf. On my 1dx2 the screen was set three stops below max. A flat picture profile also helps the histogram match the raw file better.

One should NEVER have to give the exposure a plus bump in post, only down. Preserves color and detail and gives less noise no matter what camera. Again, poor technique in camera gives poor results...

Mar 9, 2019permalink

kodakrome

I especially like shot #30 in the samples gallery. That's the one of the Waste Management dumpster and garbage can. Very classy.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

sixstring

What can we learn comparing photos with a $2000 lens (RP) vs a $300 lens (6DII)?

Mar 7, 2019permalink

photomedium

That the 300 bucks lens is more than plenty good enough and that the original 6D may very well be Canon's best sensor ever. ;-)
Great question.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Constantine e

still using the 6d (mark I) and not planning to change it before DR improves. EOS R (not RP) on the other hand can be a good step up from 6D, not RP though...

Mar 7, 2019permalink

@Constantine e
Yes, Canon failed to offer anything new that could be worth upgrading from my 6D. The R seems OK. But not for $2399. While there are better options for $1998 or $1997, with some new budget primes available. Both the RP and 6D2 are a downgrade really, no matter what lens you put on it.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

dansclic

Comparing the Sony A7 ii , Nikon z6 and Canon RP, it seems the resolution and contrast are as following
1. Sony
2. Canon
3. Nikon
Changing jpeg to raw does not show any difference and positions remain the same
(Eye test with color circles)

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Peak freak

I would say that the best images are from the RP - thanks to the lens, no question.
I'll admit, the A7II is almost as good, probably no AA filter(?)

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Urbex Mark

@Peak freak A7II has an AA filter, I'm pretty sure.

Personally I don't see much difference at all at base ISO. Z6 is clearly better at higher iso (6400+)

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Max Thunder

I can read smaller lines from the text in the middle with RP at iso100. Good lens/sensor combo.

Mar 9, 2019permalink

FrancoPhoto

Well.....here I am again....I really don´t know why. How does it feel, DPR staff? How does it feel to have only 13 year olds writing silly comments about your life´s work?

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Nas from the Valley

Image quality almost identical with APS-C Fuji and Canon has 1 stop worse dynamic range... so what is the advantage of having RP full frame?

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

dansclic

See test with color circles and you will see a HUGE difference between Fuji xt3 and canon, it is so obvious ! Fuji has a very low contrast and lacks of precision compared to Canon

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Where are you seeing this? Lowlight performance is better, and dynamic range is only higher in RAW files at base ISO then starts to be identical. Then if course there"s the biggest IQ difference which is getting the FF lens image circle, meaning wider angles and shallow DOF (FF aesthetic).

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Strolic Furlan

Fuji is mushy.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

xTrans is the worst. You must be blind if can't see that.
FF rules!

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Nas from the Valley

@ecka84 haha all I see is same image quality and imagine if Fuji's RAW was converted with CaptureOne (not ACR) RP will be lost somewhere in the shade an its miserable dynamic range but good luck with RP anyways lol

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

Dynamic range isn't image quality. The RP has plenty of flaws, but FF beats crop no sweat. Maybe you don't need higher definition images. But that doesn't change the fact. Get a larger / higher resolution monitor and you'll see.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Thank for wishing us luck with the RP!

No really, I think the XT3 stacks up incredibly well. I didn't know it had high ISO performance near identical to 6D/D750 rather than M50. There isn't much in it just a little less detail at 12800+. Great chip on the Fuji. I still prefer the RP for the FF images. An RP + RF 50/1.2 gives an image that's entirely untakeable by a Fuji system. But these aren't cheap lenses!

Mar 7, 2019permalink

@Ebrahim Saadawi
XT3 high ISO performance is full stop behind the RP. I don't care about ISO 12800, but if you download RP/6D2 ISO 6400 you will see how much better it is than XT3 ISO 3200. Regardless of the lens. There's similar graininess, but the color and contrast in Fuji image is basically crap.

Mar 8, 2019*permalink

To some, image quality = Underexpose by 3-4 stops at base ISO and adjust in software.
You'll be surprised but there are far more parameters. I mean, far more.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Don't get me wrong. Great dynamic range is a fantastic feature. But that's what it is, a feature. Not image quality. IBIS doesn't compensate for having a tiny m4/3 sensor instead of FF. And great DR doesn't compensate for having APS-C image quality instead of FF image quality.
However, there are high contrast situations when you just have to underexpose some parts of the image and overexpose other parts. So that you can bring everything back in post. Not every camera is capable of such DR, but you can always use exposure bracketing and then produce a nice quality image with veeery deeep dynamic range, as deep as you want, no matter what camera you have. And it works perfectly well, specially when you need to do some focus stacking too, at the same time. While a great DR camera can only let you skip this extra step when you don't really need a super deep DR to make it work. But it's not as good as bracketing. Not even close.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

So, again, it's a feature and I'd rather have it than not, but it doesn't affect the image quality as much as all of the local dilettantes think it does.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Nas from the Valley

I don't get how people say such stupid statements that RP is 1 full stop better in high ISO performance than Fuji, here is what I see (https://i.imgur.com/siongJd.jpg) and to me it is 90% identical maybe RP has more sharpness than Fuji but that's due to bad ACR conversion as we all know it is the worst Fuji converter. Not to mention the awful colors on RP but that's another subject...

Mar 8, 2019*permalink

@Nas from the Valley
Stop fooling around with the comparison tool. You can't see $#!T there. Download the RAWs and then we'll talk.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Take a look https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/3827214348/albums/ff-vs-crop

Mar 8, 2019permalink

@Nas from the Valley, sharpness problem of Fuji is due to Adobe but colour problem of Canon is not? Yeah...

Mar 8, 2019permalink

$DiffractionLtd$

If this were 10 years ago, it would have be hailed as the new 5D, Canon's revolutionary inexpensive FF of many years ago and what nearly did in Nikon. But today, not so much. But at least it bucks the increasing trend toward more and more expensive cameras.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

about skintone: compare Fujifilm GFX 50s and 50r with the same tool. They have identical sensor and profiles. Notice how much more yellow the 50R is?

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Yeah weird! The skin tones on the RP don't look similar to the fleshy red 6DII/5D/1D

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Crey23

There were some photos Jared P published on his YT channel that noted that his images on the 6DMKii were more magenta.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

dpr4bb

I wish Canon would stop dicking around with their color profiles. I am no longer sure what “Canon colors” are.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

This!

Mar 7, 2019permalink

SETI

Last Canon colors are 6D, 5D mk III and 5Ds/R

Mar 7, 2019permalink

...and 6D MK2

Mar 7, 2019permalink

What's wrong with 5D4 and the R? Same colors ...
Are you talking about OOC JPEG colors? I don't care about OOC JPEGs and who does ...

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

always RAW. And no, 5D4 and the R have a different look

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Are you sure it's not just a WB thing?

Mar 7, 2019permalink

very sure

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Well, I don't believe you. Can you prove it?
All the color palettes in DPR comparison tool look the same, or at least close enough, while other things may change their color over time.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

The R has amazing JPEG colours. BTW, the R samples have a white balance tint applied in the EXIF data. This was discussed in the R days back then and DPR was pointed out.

The RP however, the flesh does look greener than 5DIV/6DII. Weird.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

@Ebrahim Saadawi
Green shadow tint helps hiding the purple noise. Which the 6D2/RP sensor produces a lot (because of the low DR). Therefore, it might have been done on purpose, to make it look better.

Mar 8, 2019*permalink

ecka84: The tint was actually a WB shift added by DPR because they thought it would make the testshot more neutral. Which of course it didn’t.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Well, I'm just suggesting the possible reason. Making the RP gravitate towards more greenish look (no matter how it is done) reduces its low DR noise appearance and makes it less obvious.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

mpb002

I think the best way IMO is to evaluate the RAW photos using Canon’s DPP software. I know some people do not like it and some do. I use it with the Canon profiles from my RAW files from ny 5DIV and like the look compared LR. Evaluation is a higher subjective process. There is so much variability now with so many RAW converters. For me, I have found that after making the adjustments to a properly exposed file in DPP, results in just typical brightness, contrast and occasional masking later in Photoshop.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

$DiffractionLtd$

Canon appears to have more resolution than the 24mp cameras, obviously, but is still about 3/4 of a stop behind the top sensors for noise control. But the camera will allow those not smart enough to just buy a good used FF camera to get into FF, probably with lenses that are too cheap to do it justice.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

quiquae

“I do not like this product, therefore anyone who buys one is an idiot.”

Mar 7, 2019permalink

$DiffractionLtd$

No, I just don't see the point. Much as most Nikon buyers never saw the point in the D600/610 and instead opted to stay with APS or buy into the D750.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

quiquae

“I don’t understand the appeal of this product, which makes me smarter than those who do.”

Mar 7, 2019permalink

SwedishPhoto

@DiffractionLtd

How come it's "smarter" to buy a used camera?
Some (many) are fully aware of the used market, but want a new and unused camera with full warranty.
Always risks with buying used. With that said, I've bought both used and new myself. But i would never act condescending against people for buying a new camera. The EOS RP is priced right (it's quite a bit more expensive here in Sweden though.........).

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

Dianeimagen

The RP is priced right, I will get one eventually to travel and leave the the 5Dmk4 at home. It's stupid to think that because someone use a RP it will use cheap lenses, I used the m50 as my second camera when I traveled and used my best canon glass on it when needed, and I found that the lenses in the Canon M system lineup are very good too.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

$DiffractionLtd$

So everyone buying the thing will buy it as a back-up to a more expensive camera? I hope you are wrong for Canon's sake, they need a lot more buyers than that.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Camley

@DiffractionLtd.
Are you ever positive about anything. Why don't you tell us what camera you use?
As far as I can see this is a good, small and reasonably priced addition to Canon's Full Frame lineup.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

RubberDials

Why do people keep saying 'the Rebel users who buy this camera...'

Rebel users are not going to buy this camera. It costs £1399 body only. It is going to be bought by enthusiasts - which is whom it was designed for.

That's why the only native kit lens available is the 24-105L and nothing cheaper is on the road map. You only have to think about it for two seconds.

Canon isn't stupid, they don't bring out cameras without lenses.

You've just got to remember that Cameras take more than a year to develop, so this began development BEFORE the A7III hit the market. It's clearly aimed at the same user.

Entry level FF is enthusiast level. There is no mass of Rebel users 'dying for the Full frame look' but in a 'friendly' low spec body. The M50 and M5 is the Rebel market.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

No. Enthusiasts prefer semi-pro type of cameras. Not consumer level. In Canon marketing, enthusiasts do not exist. They only make cameras for consumers and professionals. They have nothing to compete with the A7III or the Z6. Most of us have a nice FF camera or two already and this Rebel RePlacement isn't appealing to us for many reasons. Starting from the tiny Rebel battery, which we would need to get more than one and the RP would be the only use for it. While all the other serious Canon cameras take a much nicer LP-E6.
Plus the unreasonably "castrated" 1080p video.
Plus no 4k oversampling.
Plus the inferior sensor tech that makes it even less interesting.
Plus a single card slot.
Plus no battery grip.
(Maybe some third party will make a grip for it that takes E6 batteries)
Plus as an enthusiast, I have no intent of buying a bunch of huge professional RF L optics and there are no budget options other than adapting EF lenses, which I don't need an RF camera for, thank you very much.

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

Plus no IBIS.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Peter1976

@Ecka "No. Enthusiasts prefer semi-pro type of cameras. Not consumer level. In Canon marketing, enthusiasts do not exist. They only make cameras for consumers and professionals. "
- hm... I would say the 6D was kind of an "enthusiasts" camera :)

Mar 7, 2019permalink

@Peter1976
Yes, it was. It replaced the 5D2 for me. But it is still a very crippled camera even compared to the cheaper APS-C options like the 70D/80D. But at least it has/had a decent sensor back then in 2012, even better than 5D3. Unlike the RP.

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

photomedium

ecka84,
your comment puts into words what I think but I am too dumb to express. ;-)
I think Canon divested from R&D back in ~2012 after the overnight disappearance of the point-and-shoot sector which, it seems, was financing it.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Ross the Fidller

I have no comment on the camera, but that photo of the old type block assembly brings back memories.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

George1958

Is this the camera world version of the Statler and Waldorf show? Its only a camera, not a bad one in my book either.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

NJOceanView

Re: New Studio Test Scene Comparison: I'm pretty stunned that the IQ at ISO 6400 is not even as good as the already not-very-impressive 6D2.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

I'm seeing way less purple fringing in black & white places like the 6-20 ruler. The RP has better IQ than the 6D-2.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

Stu 5

Have you looked at the Raw files because it is actually better than the 6D2 not worse.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Och Elo

I think it comes down to this. The RP and R before it are probably good enough products to keep Canon users in the ecosystem if they have lenses. Even Canon APS-C shooters looking to upgrade to FF.

They probably are not good enough products for Sony, Nikon, etc shooters to jump ship unless the Sony shooters were mostly adapting Canon glass.

And that's probably all Canon really wanted from their first two forays into FF mirrorless. To stop defections.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Michael B 66

A very good argument and it works: I have some EF glass which I like. And an old 5D I bought 2nd hand 4 years ago. But I would like to explore FF with DPAF - DPAF is great because there are no longer "statically implemented AF points at the wrong position".

EOS R and EOS RP do not convince my by themselves but I know now that Canon is comitted to FF mirrorless looking at the interesting lenses - so no longer looking the A7 whatsoever to adapt Canon glass but waiting calmly for new EOS R series cameras.

At the moment I enjoy my EF-M 32 and EF 70 200 4.0 L IS m i lenses with the M50 which give great IQ with ease and IQ is most times good enough for crisp 60 x 90cm (24 x 36 inch) prints.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Maybe the RP is made for getting the EOS M users out of the M system. To let them taste and get addicted to FF :). Without scaring them off too much with size and price.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

SwedishPhoto

Never underestimate ergonomics and general user experience. I'm a big guy (199cm tall), with huge hands. And I'm getting more and more annoyed using my Sony A7iii (had the MK1 and MK2 before). The grip has gotten bigger and bigger, but now it's instead too cramped. I can't fit my fingers between the grip and lenses (especially the bigger lenses ). I love the tech and speed in the A7iii, but I LONG for a better grip and user experience without having to attach a battery grip (still won't solve the tight space between the grip and lenses). I still have some EF lenses, and I'm actually considering an EOS R or RP with bottom grip.. I know they're "worse" cameras from a technical standpoint. But I have a feeling ill enjoy using them more.

Then again, I will miss the video on the A7iii (which I'm only using 10-20% of the time, but still).

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

This kinda describes me. I was eyeing Sony and Nikon, but couldn’t afford to cash in all my Canon glass to start a new system. The RP reeled me back in. The price is right, I get to enjoy the benefits of mirrorless and I have no doubt I’ll get some great photos.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Marximus

I'm with you, SwedishPhoto. I own the A7 III and the ergonomics, even with the L-bracket I installed, are still garbage, which is a bummer, considering all the tech goods packed into the body. I picked up the RP last Friday. Yes, battery life isn't great, and it doesn't have IBIS, and high-ISO performance is inferior to the Sony, but I think it's tied with the Lumix G9 I tested for most comfortable grip I've ever tried (with the extension). I will never fault Canon for ergonomics issues.

Mar 9, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

A ton of comments by people who are lamenting that this camera will do well because the bulk of the camera market cares about things different than they do. Canon is successful because it understands the market. No company has an obligation to design products specifically for YOU. And people who buy this camera will find that it will be capable of great pictures even after they evolve from JPG to RAW editing. Just like I found years ago that my Rebel was very capable once I learned how to use its potential.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

I don't have a problem with the camera, but Canon should have released an inexpensive kit zoom.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Arun, why would I, as a consumer, prioritize manufacturer's interests (maximization of profit) over my own when commenting on the latter's product? I have no sense of subservience or obligation to the corporation.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

PhotoDiod: You shouldn’t. Nobody is forcing you to buy this or any other camera. It is YOUR money and you should spend it as YOU wish. The issue I have is with people expecting camera companies to cater to their individual needs. No, every company will cater to a certain segment of the market that they think is large enough to generate a profit. If you are not among those they choose to serve, then either switch or temper your expectations.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Ross the Fidller

"was very capable once I learned how to use its potential." That applies to most cameras though & some aren't willing to gain the most out of their gear buy knowing all the available adjustments & settings etc.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

"The issue I have is with people expecting camera companies to cater to their individual needs."
Isn't that the foundation of most consumer-manufacturer relationships in free market economy? Whose else needs would a person talk about but his own?

Mar 7, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

"Isn't that the foundation of most consumer-manufacturer relationships in free market economy? Whose else needs would a person talk about but his own?"

Do you expect companies to interview you specifically, and develop every product with you personally in mind? No, of course you don't. Like any other company, Canon develops products for a sufficiently large segment of consumers to make a profit. If you don't like their products, you don't have to buy them. If they are right in their market analysis, other people will. If they are wrong, the product will fail. The issue I have is with people acting as if the world has come to an end because Canon dared to release a camera they personally have no use for. Other people do or might.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Ross the Fidller

Don't I know that. It isn't just with Canon though. E.g. the latest from Olympus had whingers coming out of the woodwork & yet the cameras are selling, to those that appreciate what it offers.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

photomedium

@Arun H,
"Do you expect companies to interview you specifically...blahblah"
no one expects that and you know it.
As PhotoDiod was saying, company generally aim to introduce some innovation and new features while making the product more affordable, trying to strike the middle of the bell curve and increase the sales. I consider myself very much average customer and something doesn't quite work for me with the Canon product lineup and it hasn't for quite a few years. I am just saying...

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Arun, you resort to a lot of truisms and outright exaggerations, while missing the point completely. You are saying that consumers should not voice their opinions but rather vote with their wallets? Why do you voice YOUR opinion then? Just go and buy this product. (see, I can type in all caps too :))

Mar 7, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

@PhotoDiod: you appear to like attributing to me things I never said. You keep doing it because you like arguing with yourself because it is easiest to refute points that you make versus those others do. I never said people should not comment. I expressed my opinion about their comments. Just like they expressed their opinions about the camera. See how that works? This is a free comment thread.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

photomedium, yet here you are on a product-specific post discussing why said product doesn't work for you.

Apr 8, 2019permalink

mosc

I seriously think if canon had debut'd an R-mount 28-70 f3.5-f5.6 that was fairly tiny to go along with this and was a $1,500 MSRP Kit, the RP would be much more of a hit.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

Kharan

Indeed! Canon should've postponed the 28-70mm f/2 to 2020, the 50mm f/1.2 to 2019, and instead released a 28-70mm kit, 70-300mm consumer-grade zoom, and stabilized 50mm f/1.8. The current lens lineup and roadmap are ridiculous.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

If you're rich the RF roadmap is the best new lens mount line-up ever made by any manufacturer. That thing was completed so damn fast!

However, not rich here. I really want that rumored 50mm f/1.8 IS USM

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Swerky

The EOS RP skin tones do look yellowish as members are saying compared to the 6D II, which is supposed to have a similar sensor. And so does the X-T3 when I compared it to the X-T2 at the time. Although not as yellowish as the RP. But now I’m noticing that the X-T2 image is noticeably sharper than the X-T3...
But that EOS RP makes only sense for existing Canon users who wish to get the advantages of full frame and mirrorless tech with touchscreen focus without breaking the bank.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Eric Calabros

DPR seriously needs a solution for studio links. Its ridiculous to post these large comments just to show people what part of the image we're talking about.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

mpb002

Eventhough this is Csnon’s most inexpensive FF mirrorless camera, I think some experienced shooters will get great results out of RAW files. Canon’s color science even of this sensor will blow away even a Sony A7rIII. Im not talking about dynamic range. Sony has that covered, but Sony colors are like cartoons unless you work them. You dont need to do much of that with Canon RAW files, especially, if you prefer to use their excellent profiles.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

It used to be like that

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Mpb002, what do you think of the skin tones in this gallery?

Mar 6, 2019permalink

RandyPD

Ahh, the myth of the Canon 'Color Science'......

Mar 6, 2019permalink

That's always struck me as a dumb, dismissive comment. Canon's been making cameras for over 70 years. Of course they have color science. And their color science is different from Nikon, Sony, Fuji, etc.

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

Hugo808

I can't believe they're still in business. Fuji put the same sensor and processor in every camera from the same year, what you pay more for is weather sealing and a few extra features. If they were deliberately releasing sub-standard gear for any reason we'd see it is a criminal attempt to segregate the market and take our money elsewhere.

I say "We" but mean me obviously ;-)

Mar 6, 2019permalink

RedFox88

Fujifilm not fuji

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Hugo808

Gosh, you're right. I should have been more specific in case anyone thought I was talking about the mountain or the bicycle manufacturer.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Question...sub-standard for whom? As a business-minded person, I see nothing wrong with Canon's strategy? They're not holding anyone hostage and the customer still has choice. What's the problem?

Apr 8, 2019permalink

The Fat Fish

Canon Exec: "We have crippled just about everything with this camera, what do we have left to cripple?"

Canon Employee: "You know how the only thing we now get praised for is Colour?"

Canon Exec: "Genius!".

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Hautedawg

I think "Canon colors" is just a trope automatically thrown out at this point. I bet if dpr did an experiment and labeled all these as Sony, people would be saying the color is bad.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

J A C S

I would bet the same... because what we see here is as bad as Sony, indeed.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

PPierre

Quite disappointing, but it's still better than the A7II (which is 4 years-old, I know). I compared with the A7III, A6500 and Nikon Z6 also, and I'm actually very surprised by how good the Nikon is, btw (sorry for digressing).

Back to the Canon RP : I see it as a camera to remain in Canon's lands if you don't want to spend too much on the body first and invest in lenses first (if you're on a tight budget, $1000 can make a difference, even though you're ready to pay $4000 for your kit). It still looks good enough to take great pictures (the sensor may be the worst, but it's still better than that of an A6500 for instance), especially when you consider the lens you can use it with.

I won't buy it, since I have too many Sony lenses, but some years ago, had I been a Canon shooter, it would have made me stay with Canon.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

RandyPD

After scanning the box all over the picture, it is not better than the A7II.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

It's PRECISELY the reason why I stayed. I can still a great picture, it's lighter, has much better focus and I don't have to invest in lenses right now...I can wait until they put out a few more affordable ones comparative to the 35mm f1.8 and 24-105 f4.

Apr 8, 2019permalink

Cripple-cam strikes back! ;)
Canon I wish you to go bankrupt and Olympus to take you over :D :D

Mar 6, 2019permalink

So you wish a bunch of people would lose their jobs...nice.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Now that's hate.

Apr 8, 2019permalink

The Fat Fish

Looking at the ISO-invariance testing, this is possibly the worst performing full frame sensor we have seen in 7 years, performing noticeably worse than the 7 year old Canon 6D. Even the majority of APS-C and some MFT cameras outperform this one. Such a shame that even for $1300 it's still not good value for money.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

Yes, this camera is a joke but Canon will sell it like hot cakes. One more sad story of modern consumerism! 8/

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Michael G2

Exactly the reason I still have my 6D and added a Sony A7RIII and Metabones adapter. I'm not buying another Canon until their sensors are on par with Sony and Nikon

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Their sensors are fine but they need to stop selling crippled bodies.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

UncoyDP

There's about 3 stops of exposure latitude there. Much worse than the EOS R, a somewhat worse than the 5DS R, Fuji X-T20 and X-T3. Looks like if an "enthusiast" is buying into RF the right model for now is the EOS R. Both of them look wrong to me as the EOS R has spoiled the great 5D line ergonomics with no joystick, wheel controller and that silly touchbar (which is next to useless on MacBooks as well). I'll be on the sidelines enjoying my second system (Fuji) for another two years and still shooting my Canon DSLR.

Colour are also a mess. The 5DIV and EOS R and EOS RP don't even look like Canon cameras. 5DS R, 6D Mark II have completely different and traditional Canon colours in RAW. I'm not very tempted to buy into lines of cameras which won't match my 5D, 5DS R and 5DIII. Strangely the new Canon colours are much closer to Fuji X.

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

RedFox88

Fujifilm not fuji

Mar 7, 2019permalink

DPReview007

@Michael G2, I'm in the same boat. I own two 6Ds. I really wanted to buy the 6D II. But when that piece of garbage came out, I got so upset I bought an A7R III. That thing is beautiful!

Kudos to Canon for helping us see the light! Even in the shadows! :)

I could never go back to a low DR camera. It's literally day and night.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

DualSystemGuy

Took the words out of my mouth, this sensor is garbage by today's standards. Canon just doesn't seem to care anymore though - there isn't even anything left to cripple on a body like this. Even that eye AF test floating around the web had Canon performing *by far* the worst compared to it's cheaper and much better featured peers.

Mar 7, 2019*permalink

I think that you guys are too harsh in judging today camera's sensors. There is difference in DR but that difference is not that huge and "must have" at all. If I need to push shadows for 3 or 5 steps that's mean that I've made some big mistakes in my shooting. And even that new Canon sensors (5d mkIV, EOS R) keep up very well. Compared with 6D and 5d mkIII sensors they are way better and that's ok.
For me is more important general color output than pushing shadows like maniac. Yes I know, okay, all files you can make to look whatever you like BUT for huge cost of time. Time is expensive today.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

thoth22

The only way this sells like 'hot cakes' is if all the cureent canon shooters buy it. The allure of Canon has eroded. Young people coming into the camera world don't seem to be clamoring for Canon. As a lyft/uber driver I bring my a7 everywhere and it's surprising how a few years ago only a few would recognize an a6000 but now young people hear A7 and they think it's the cat's meow (1st gen is certainly not). It's interesting how the perception has changed particularly in the younger ages. We will see if it sells like 'hot cakes'.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

The Fat Fish

This is the big problem with Canon. They are making cameras just good enough to keep the majority of their loyal customers. Unlike Sony, Panasonic, Nikon and Fuji who are making cameras for new buyers, those looking to switch and existing customers.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

I have rather good vision and according to what I'm seeing in their sample the RP holds right along with the venerable highly touted Sony A7III. Just a pinch perhaps a half stop behind the Z6. Not too shabby for a $1300 body

Mar 6, 2019permalink

janist74

Then check this: http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm#Canon%20EOS%206D%20Mark%20II,Olympus%20OM-D%20E-M1,Olympus%20OM-D%20E-M1%20Mark%20II,Sony%20ILCE-7M3

For me it does not look good at all for $1300...

Mar 6, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

I think ProDude spoke about noise level and not DR. In this regards, the EOS RP performs pretty well indeed.

Regards

Mar 6, 2019permalink

jonby

My vision puts the RP just under a stop worse at high ISO than the A7 III in raw.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

I doubt the RP is even a half stop off of the A7iii in noise from what I see

Mar 6, 2019permalink

lacikuss

But the Sony colours have that usual purple luminance tones that need to be corrected in post, although the a7 iii has finally improved on this. Just check the faces at ISO 100...
The RP is barely discernible from the other FF at ISO 100 and it is certainly indistinguishable in JPG which is the target market for this camera. Regarding High ISO performance it is 1 stop better that any APSC camera, so for the price it is a great FF worthy for upgrade among Rebel users.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Digital Ride

janist74 If you did a sanity check by looking at actual photo examples, you'd see that the olympus m43 sensors are not on par with full frame, even canon.

below the chart you referenced it says:
"Note that the x-axis is ISO Setting and not a "measured" value. Keep this in mind particularly when comparing to the Ideal lines."

I don't know why they don't adjust for that.

Olympus has skewed their ISO values by over a full stop compared to canon/nikon/sony which are also not following the ISO standard but at least agree with each other, check the DXOmark iso sensitivity charts.

If the RP sensor measures the same as the 6d ii at high iso it is very similar to the A7R iii up to 12800 according to DXOmark measurements , but I can definitely see a difference in this tool.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

Johans81

Good enough for me

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Yup low noise not talking about dynamic range. The RP seems impressive in the low noise department

Mar 6, 2019permalink

golfhov

Pro dude.......
Your SPECIFIC complaint about the a7rii was pulling up your shadows in real estate. If the a7rii wasn't good enough in this category the RP is FAR worse. You confuse me

Mar 6, 2019permalink

GinoSVK

I am totally fine with my 77D sensor, this is even better with all FF advantage, sadly, only margin thing I complain at rebel is battery life, RP has same battery, which is not great really.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

LookintotheMirrorlessoften

Golfhov. NO from all samples I can dig up at say a native iso1600 for starters the RP Trump's the lack of noise in shadows period ! No shadows being boosted. I've downloaded and compared dozens of samples including my own samples. The Sony is NOT for me thanks. Their noise characteristics are not as easy to process out either something I've also tried

Mar 6, 2019permalink

miggylicious

surprised to see the age old a7m2 faring better than the RP at least while looking at the JPGs. canon tends to overdo the noise cleanup leaving the details slightly soft and washedout.

also, does it seem like canon renders skintones on the yellowish side?

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

illusiveman

I've compared all three generations of A7 with RP and I think Canon's noise level is somewhere between A7 II and A7 III.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Spectro

I only look at the raw and that is a different story. But the A7 II is an older camera, but I guess it is priced closest to this model.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

illusiveman

Spectro, i mentioned raw too. Comparing noise level of raw capable cameras by jpeg files is useless for me.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

(unknown member)

well, RAWs are better on the EOS RP..

Mar 6, 2019permalink

miggylicious

at their very low pricepoints, a lot of the users of RP and A7m2 will be shooting JPG only

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Now we can see the famous canon colors.. oh wait... what?

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Spectro

color looks different (little muted) compared to other but the noise level is ok for the price. the A7 2 tho

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Lessiter

I recommend throwing some old cameras in the mix. Even put apsc cameras like a Nikon D7200 and a Pentax K-3 II in the matrix. Quite interesting to see how little has improved.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

OK, so, I did it. There's like a day and night difference really. The RP has over a full stop better high ISO performance and much better detail clarity.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

I agree. The sensor development has matured and the advances are slower and in smaller steps. If you throw in a K-1you can see how this camera with a sensor from 2016 still tops all of this comparison.
Quite amazing for a camera you can buy on Amazon for EUR 1.300,- at the moment.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosrp&attr13_1=canon_eos6dmkii&attr13_2=sony_a7ii&attr13_3=pentax_k1&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=3200&attr16_1=3200&attr16_2=3200&attr16_3=3200&attr126_3=1&normalization=compare&widget=661&x=-0.5277395184838302&y=0.2859610165309646

Mar 6, 2019permalink

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosrp&attr13_1=pentax_kp&attr13_2=fujifilm_xt3&attr13_3=nikon_d7200&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=1600&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=1600&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.49364773290727787&y=0.3056336869808371

@ecka, okay, would you like to point me to this? If I put in a KP with it's APS-C sensor from 2017 I don't see an advantage for the new RP.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

KrisAK

IMO detail does look considerably better:

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Don't be lazy. Download some high ISO RAW files and you'll see it.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

@KrisAK, the right side of the KP seems softer than the left. More due to a lens thing than the sensor.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosrp&attr13_1=pentax_kp&attr13_2=fujifilm_xt3&attr13_3=nikon_d7200&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=800&attr16_1=800&attr16_2=800&attr16_3=800&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.7383064293978295&y=-0.7340241796200346
The green fluffy stuff is the only part where differences are discernible. If you go to the copper engraving or the beatles the Fuji and Pentax APS-C are at least equal, if not showing more detail
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosrp&attr13_1=pentax_kp&attr13_2=fujifilm_xt3&attr13_3=nikon_d7200&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=800&attr16_1=800&attr16_2=800&attr16_3=800&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.4933612473141976&y=0.27954601529731055

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Anyhow, @ecka, the comparison tool is quite a neat thing providing normalized image side by side.
However, there is no intention to downgrade the performance of the Canon, just agreed with the original poster that the jumps in IQ are getting diminutive. Which is just natural and not a bad thing for users, the cameras keep their value as imaging tools a longer time. It might be a problem for commercial companies, who rely on sale of new equipment...

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Alwina H

@KrisAK: indeed, but it's from the edge, where the lens come into play (e.g. field curvature). Apart from this, I think that one can always find an area where one camera seems to do better than the other (in both directions), be it on the left side, the right side, up, down, corners or center.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Ref:
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentax-55-1p4-p15/5

"the right side of the KP seems softer than the left."

It's a lens thing. $2000 new canon against decade old $600 pentax that dpreview noted has inconsistent focusing across the frame in every copy they tested.

Another example of why these lens tests are useless across manufactures and made even more useless by using botique lenses such as the $2000 RF 50mm F1.2

"we've looked at three samples of this lens, and each has shown a clear tilt to the focus plane; this was most pronounced in the first sample, but relatively minor in the last (indeed in this sample it was only really detectable in our studio tests). This does more than simply mess up our studio tests - it clearly results in real-world image quality and focusing problems too. In fact we've never before seen a lens so capricious when it comes to focusing - we're used to F1.4 primes being challenging for cameras' AF systems, but the 55mm was most difficult of all."

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

"the comparison tool is quite a neat thing providing normalized image side by side."
Honestly, the comparison tool is neat only for downloading RAW samples. The actual comparison (in Lightroom or something) shows absolutely different world of differences. If all you do is the comparison tool comparison, then you are missing pretty much the whole thing entirely.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

@ecka84, right. The thing is, you refer now to " like a day and night difference really" which you observe only in your own Lightroom processing with your settings and so on. I compared the file of the RP and the one of the KP @ISO800, no chance there is such a difference. But I don't doubt that you might have exactly this with your PP-pipeline. We will not know.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Lessiter

KrisAK if you move down to her feet the KP looks better.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosrp&attr13_1=pentax_kp&attr13_2=fujifilm_xt3&attr13_3=pentax_k1ii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=1600&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=100&attr126_3=2&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.49605421188915205&y=0.08350357759684171

Down by the money the RP looks better again
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr18=daylight&attr13_0=canon_eosrp&attr13_1=pentax_kp&attr13_2=fujifilm_xt3&attr13_3=pentax_k1ii&attr15_0=raw&attr15_1=raw&attr15_2=raw&attr15_3=raw&attr16_0=1600&attr16_1=1600&attr16_2=1600&attr16_3=100&attr126_3=2&normalization=compare&widget=1&x=-0.49605421188915205&y=0.08350357759684171

This is just to show that the sensor improvements aren't clear cut or visible by a margin. It's better but not by much.

Edit:
Would cure GAS sufferers if dpreview included older gear.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

@tinetz, Comparing noise is pointless. I'm comparing what's left after I remove the noise. The data. The image quality.
The comparison tool doesn't show you the "whole picture". Some cameras apply noise reduction even to their RAW images (like Fuji). You can't evaluate sensor performance based on DPR comparison tool. It only shows you some kind of a default output. Not the essence of it. You have to download and process the RAW files. Otherwise, you just have no idea what's the actual difference there.

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

jonby

RP is around a stop better than the D7200 at high ISOs. In terms of dynamic range, the D7200 is much, much better. For a sensor more than double the size, that's hardly impressive. It depends what you think is important, but personally, I would see the best performing APS-C cameras as having slightly better image quality than the RP.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr144_0=fujifilm_xt3&attr144_1=sony_a7iii&attr144_2=olympus_em1ii&attr144_3=canon_eosrp&attr146_0=160_5&attr146_1=100_4&attr146_2=200_4&attr146_3=100_4&attr177_0=off&attr177_1=off&attr177_2=off&attr177_3=off&normalization=compare&widget=633&x=-0.3289590254706534&y=0.37844756399669693

@jonby - BS! The dynamic range is not image quality. Objectively, RP produces higher definition images than any crop. But it disappoints when compared to other modern FF sensors and even some older ones from Canon. Which is tragic.

Mar 8, 2019permalink

Gianluca Grossi

Great camera, as usual the best colors in the market...good high iso and good Dr...most amateur can't ask for more in this price point...and one of the best looking camera design too.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

janist74

You mean the "good DR" what under iso400 is on the Oly EM1 mk1 level? Actually the EM1 mk2 has better DR than the RP. And you know, it is a tiny sensor MFT camera...

Mar 6, 2019permalink

miggylicious

colors look slightly yellowish to me

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Gianluca Grossi

I mean a very usable file that with good exposure it can handle everything...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCDUqmHs2eI
With super calibrated monitor these colors rock...

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

(unknown member)

@janist74. try the DR tool rom DPR. The EM1M2 (while a great camera) has a lot of worse DR as the EOS RP..

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Michael B 66

Finally convinces me to wait another product cycle: M50 has all the great things like DPAF and usable 1080p in 24 fps + 120 fps in 720p and my old 5D mark i has the full frame advantage when it comes to thin DOF and good low light capabilities.

The difference between IQ of cameras with same sensor formats is very close IMO - it is much more about my capabilities and the ergonomics and the lenses. So I will stay with the EF and EF-M system for now because I like them for IQ and compactness + for ergonomics of both cameras and lenses.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

??????????
Why the heck aren't you using the 85mm F1.8 for the test scenes?

As it is when we compare to the Canon DSLRs we are we are left wondering if we are comparing the RF 50mm versus the EF 85mm instead of comparing the sensors.

Why use one of canon's most expensive primes on their least expensive FF body? It's not a very relevant or useful comparison to 99.99% of your readers.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Slideshow Bob

Because it's a test of the camera, not the lens. Ideally, the best lens available should be used, so that all the characteristics of the sensor can been seen. You can't judge potential aliasing / moire due to the strength of the OLPF if the lens isn't resolving enough detail to show aliasing and moire.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

> the best lens available should be used,

That's not the dpreview methodology.

For the M50 they use an ADAPTED 50mm F1.4 designed 30 years ago.

Is that really "the best lens available"

For the DSLRS they use the $300 85mm F1.8

Is that really "the best lens available"?

For comparisons consistency is an asset. As it is we are left comparing apples to bumblebees.....

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Slideshow Bob

Actually, the 85mm f/1.8 has been an excellent performer when stopped down to f/5.6 as DPR have consistently done. The idea behind the test scene is that there is consistently high sharpness across the frame, with low chromatic aberration, and the 85mm f/1.8 has provided that for a long time. You need to be able to look at any part of the test scene to see how the sensor is performing (checking for shadow/highlight noise/recovery or whatever), so there's no point in using a lens that has soft corners. The 85 has performed well, but I'm not surprised DPR have decided to use a more modern lens on the new mount ML cameras.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Carey Rose

The key is that we use native-mount primes whenever possible. With the EOS M50, there was not a native mount prime at the time that would give us a 50-90mm field of view (the new EF-M 32mm F1.4 may be our new standard prime, we'll investigate when the next EF-M camera comes out).

The details for the RF system lens use - as well as a comparison of the 50mm F1.2L and 85mm F1.8 USM on the higher-megapixel EOS R - can be found here: https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-r/7

Mar 6, 2019permalink

> use native-mount primes whenever possible.

When you have an adapter that makes the adapted lenses act as if they are native (as advertised by dpreview and canon) what's the point of not using the same lens as the DSLRS?

You are diluting the value of the studio scenes for all current canon users, the biggest market for the R/RP.

> With the EOS M50, there was not a native mount prime at the time that would give us a 50-90mm field of view

And yet you picked literally the oldest and one of the cheapest options for your non-native lens. Doing no one a service as practically no one uses that combo (huge breaky 50 with a small body). If you are going to go huge at least go decent.....

Mar 9, 2019permalink

@DPR: Since RP is not supported by ACR yet, did you use a beta-version of it when creating the RAW preview?

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Carey Rose

We have a advance copies of the final profiles for the RP from Adobe, including all the Adobe profiles (color, standard, etc) and Camera profiles (standard, faithful, etc.). As with all other cameras, we use the Adobe Standard profile. These profiles all run under the latest build of ACR 11.

Mar 7, 2019permalink

bokehmon22

Compared to 5D IV, the color look worst.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

High-ISO performance looks better than A7 II and all APS-C sensors which is as expected. A little behind the latest 24MP Sony sensors but then those cameras are more expensive anyway.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Ryuhoshi

Although if you take dynamic range into consideration, the minor iso performance advantage goes out the window the moment you need to raise the shadows more than 1EV in post. And i'm talking even about the A7II.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/image-comparison/fullscreen?attr144_0=canon_eosrp&attr144_1=sony_a7ii&attr144_2=nikon_d7200&attr144_3=canon_eosr&attr146_0=100_2&attr146_1=100_2&attr146_2=100_2&attr146_3=100_2&normalization=full&widget=327&x=-0.2118541235267723&y=-0.18026108662186632

Mar 6, 2019*permalink

"Minor Iso advantage" is about 1 stop.
I had 6D II and I was comfortable until 3 stops of underexposing. And remember underexposing and then adjusting exposure in the post isn't very common among RP's target customers but high ISO is more common.

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Slideshow Bob

In all fairness, the A7 II is, and always has been, a poor performer. It's a 2014 camera that performs about 1 stop worse at high ISO than the 2012 Nikon D600. There are APS-C cameras that outperform that thing from a noise perspective. The A7 III is so much better it's laughable!

Mar 6, 2019permalink

Ryuhoshi

True. Still, even the slightest changes in exposure removes the 6D noise advantage. If it doesn't matter, why even shoot raw at all?
Also if you check the link i sent earlier you will see that 6D actually has worse dr than D7200 which has a crop sensor. What i mean is, pure, out of the camera raw iso performance is only half the story.
Especially since A7II does have ibis(even though one of the worst ones).

I do have to agree though that after i played around with it in a camera store, RP is a wonderful camera to shoot with, it feels great in the hand. And in my opinion ergonomics > sensor performance(to a certain degree).

Mar 7, 2019permalink