Video: A quick look at the Sony a6300

If I compare what A6300 has more than A6000, and if I look at what it has not and many awaited to find, I see not valuable reason to change from one to the other. Same reworked sensor for better AF, some improvements in VF, and moist sealing, is all it offers more, for a lot more money. And still no Ibis, no touch screen, no better high ISO values, no tri navy system, no bigger battery. Well, let's then wait and see, the real improvements all in all occurs at Nikon in this moment, D500 seems to offer more and since I ow both systems, i thing that my choice to upgrade goes towards Nikon, this Sony A6300 does no offers to me what I was awaiting from Sony. Possibly I am not the only disappointed one in this matter.

Feb 8, 2016permalink

"I see not valuable reason to change from one to the other."

Then you shouldn't change from one to another. I am a long-time Canon user who now also uses Sony. Back in my Canon days, I used to upgrade with every other DSLR model. For example, I had a Canon 20D, skipped the 30D, got a 40D, skipped the 50D, got a 60D, etc. Most people do not, or should not, upgrade with every single new model that is introduced! That's just not realistic, and most newer models don't offer that much reason to upgrade. So for your case, yes, definitely skip the A6300 if you don't see any reason to upgrade. Wait for the A6500 (or whatever they call it). You'd be upgrading every other model, just like I used to do with Canon DSLRs.

Feb 8, 2016permalink

norman shearer

It is a bigger upgrade than many other camera models but whether it is worth it for you personally is entirely dependent on what you consider weaknesses on the A6000. Personally I found it too noisy for street shooting so the A6300 option for silent shooting is a major plus. It also sounds like it could be a better action camera and may even sway a few OVF fans but that remains to be seen. Battery life is apparently a bit longer too..

Feb 9, 2016permalink

Do more research. There are a LOT more changes than that.

Feb 10, 2016permalink

(unknown member)

Will the battery last more than five minutes?

Feb 8, 2016permalink

Sure, just don't use it in sub zero temps. :)

Feb 10, 2016permalink

Angrymagpie

Would love to know what Sony did to make the a6300 weather-resistant. The pop-up flash is still there - which I thought was the primary reason that the a6000 was not label as such? The exposed hotshoe is still there, too.
Did Sony add some sort of gasket underneath the flash? Would love to find out.

Feb 8, 2016permalink

fooddudeone

I am looking fwd to the Dxomark speed/ISO scores for this a6300.

I've only found out, just yesterday, that even the older a6000 has a fantastic Dxomark ISO score of 1350. That is pretty impressive for an APSC sensor (Fuji X100 has a 1000 score for example). To put it in better perspective - the 5D classic has a similar ISO score of 1368.

If the new a6300 scores a little bit higher, maybe somewhere in between the 5D classic(1368) and 5DII(1815), I would be very happy with this and wouldn't mind giving up my old FF camera for it.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

Steveau

Did they at least put the in built electronic compass back in this one????

Feb 5, 2016permalink

If you mean electronic level gauge, then yes.

Feb 10, 2016permalink

donipock

I can't wait to get a pair of 6300's to replace my two a6000's. If performance is anywhere close to marketing claims, I'm likely to be happy for several more years. As a working pro since 1978, I'm amazed when I read these forums and see all the nit-picky B.S. from people. I couldn't be more happy with the numerous upgrades and refinements that will be offered in the a6300.

What's not to like about doubling the EVF resolution, improved sensor for better low light high ISO IQ, faster & more accurate focussing, magnesium body that only weighs 2 oz. more than the a6000, moisture and dust seals, 4k video, etc.? How about the refined top mode dial that now includes M1 & M2 modes, adding an internal level, improved shutter release action? I don't know about the pixel peepers out there, but in my world of making a living with a camera, I find these new features to be well worth the price.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

JoseCarrasco

As a working pro, What lenses are you using with the a6000?

Feb 5, 2016permalink

fuego6

That's what I"m curious about too... I love my a6000 but the lack of lenses remains an issue.. just bought a 40-150 2.8 Pro and em5 body and boy oh boy... that a combo!

Feb 5, 2016permalink

Martin JC

I was interested in the a6000 and now this a6300 too. Do you have a normal zoom or one or two primes that you frequently have used in your work?

Feb 5, 2016permalink

art99

It lacks a wired remote. Sony is famous for adding this but taking away that. Also missing is a PC flash terminal. A shutter speed dial on the top would be great. A BSI sensor and IBIS would also be great along with a touch screen. Oh, and a real OVF ( hybrid) would be the icing on the cake. Sony just doesn't read these posts.

Feb 7, 2016permalink

Sony doesn't make Fuji cameras. Only their sensors. ;)

Feb 10, 2016permalink

DAVY793

PS. I shoot birds in flight, ice hockey and motor cycle sports with my A6000. The A6000 will be even better and easier to control. It's the big lump behind the viewfinder that counts. Lol

Feb 5, 2016permalink

filmrescue

Yep...that "big lump" is a key factor. Really what matters at this point because all of the cameras are at least pretty damn amazing. Love sony's direction though.

Feb 8, 2016permalink

DAVY793

I'll use my LA-EA3 and Alpha mount lenses like I do on my A7ii which works a treat. Not worried about IBIS for my work.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

Voluap

This one is really make me confuse...
For a long time I photograph with canon 5 dii. Now I was trying to get the jump for video, I was thinking to buy a 2 hand Sony fs100.

But now...
This pretty one is make me think twice...
Please can stop to improve cams for 6 months!!!! :)
Greetings for all and keep going with the great job dpreview

Feb 4, 2016permalink

TheWhiteDog

I know this is nuts but it could be a very viable idea. We know the weakness of this system is lenses, we also know that Fuji(with their brand new, 400 million dollar lens making plant in the Phillipines) has lots of lens making capacity, and, much more important, a line of highly regarded lenses. So, Fuji should make their lenses available in the SONY mount also, can you imagine how many a6300 users would buy the 56mm f1.2 lens? I know what you are thinking, this would be suicide for Fuji's cameras, but I don't think so. Those interested in the XPro2 or the forthcoming XT-2 I doubt would be interested in the a6300 and vice versa. The controls are so different and they are aimed at totally different buyers that I doubt this would have any effect on sales of either, the handling, menus, control dials etc couldn't be more different. SONY would get a cut of the increased lens sales and Fuji would have a great revenue stream(beyond INSTAX) for their photo division.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

eazizisaid

I like your thinking but in this industry it's more like shooting its own foot. Relatively to other camera manufacturer, Fujifilm is still small. Making one of its strenghts available for other system reveals from the world of craziness.

Rebranding X lenses and selling them or only selling the design might be considered but again, following you suggestion as is, you will ultimatly kill your own system because there won't be a need for your bodies (especially when Fuji aims at number three in the aps c category) thus, needs for your name on the lenses afterall... Fuji won't stand against Zeiss so why bother pay them royalties...

This type of strategy works when, what you sell to your "competitor" doesn't carry your name on top for the mass to see... Same thing goes for sensor, evfs... even engines in the car industries... how many knows that Mercedes is using Renault engines in its A and C class cars ? That BMW uses french Peugeot engines in it's Minis ?...

Feb 4, 2016permalink

whensly

If not fuji which I would love because I love their glass, then somebody (Sigma) please offer up some fast primes. I have the Touits . the 32 is nice but not as nice as the Fujis, the 12mm is a little too wide and the 50 macro should be a 70 macro and is WAY to expensive. Love to own the 6300 (for the improved EVF and focus points alone) but not buying $2000 lenses for it.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

TheWhiteDog

I personally think the Fuji bodies would still sell the same amount, they are very different to anything else out there and have a very loyal following. Obviously the lenses made for SONY would be rebranded as such. Also, to mantain separation Fuji could do that with half their lens lines thereby keeping certain lenses exclusively for themselves. It would be a great revenue stream for them and would be good news for SONY owners. No one else, including SONY is going to be making new lenses for this system.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

How about one single mount for all DSLR and one mount for all APSC MLC systems that just any manufacturer uses. If that happened, we would live a real competition in lens marketing, and all manufacturers could improve their sales in lenses. It is unbelievable that the 4/3 policy can not be applied to the other systems and an interchangeable mount will certainly not be a problem to realize so that one can use old mount system and universal mount on same camera, just the same as you change an adapter at the moment. This mount proper to manufacturer policy really sucks.

Feb 8, 2016*permalink

BubbleGum

I don't know if anyone noticed, but the camera got 60g heavier according to specs. Considerable negative for me.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Really? No, really? Do you understand what 60g translates to in pounds?

Feb 10, 2016permalink

BubbleGum

No, I don't know how much a pound is, but I know exactly how much 60g is. It's a 17.4% increase over the last model. Also, it's the mass of the Sony 20mm 2.8 lens.

Feb 10, 2016permalink

Naos

Why they didn't add Bluetooth is beyond me. Is it that hard to implement geolocation sharing from Smartphone into the camera by Bluetooth ? That way all the photos would be nicely geotagged in the camera without need for GPS module.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Pitchertaker

Thankfully Sony is not the one and only.

Sarcasm aside I debated buying an A6000 or an EM-1 but after seeing the prices and limited number of lenses available for the Sony I opted for Olympus instead.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Gonzie

I did the same, well EM10. The sales team at cardinal camera really tried to push the A6000 on me, but Sony seems to only be focusing on full frame glass right now and the cost is much higher than I would like to spend. Their APS lenses didn't seem to get great reviews either, at least from what I have seen.

Now if Sony purchases the company I work for and I get a nice discount I may change my story :)

Feb 4, 2016permalink

QuFourTwo

After purchasing the Sony a6000, and two prime lenses: I switch to Olympus OM-D E-M10 II. The main reasons are the outstanding line of lenses, and interchangeability between Olympus and Panasonic. Plus the price, and a large reason is the built-in 5-Axis image stabilization for sharper images

Feb 4, 2016permalink

fuego6

the 5 axis on my em5 is simply amazing... love my a6000 and its great ergonomics... but love my em5 camera more for the photos I get from it.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

Siobhan A

Take away all the unproven marketing hype and the only real difference between this camera and the A6000 is 4K and 120FPS video.
Since the A6000 has been on sale for $400 recently, one must decide if they want to pay an extra $600 for a similar camera.

What is the real deal breaker I see is the lens situation. For the past couple of years it hasn't improved and instead of the F/2.8 zooms and affordable portrait prime lenses, Sony is announcing rather large $1800, and $2400 lenses without IS. They'll work on a $400 A6000, but not many people with that camera want 2 really large lenses that lack IS and cost over $4000.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Elaka Farmor

I agree. For a photographer who does not care about 4k video and 120fps in 1080p, there is no point to pay 600 dollar extra for A6300. But for a videographer it´s another story.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

davepanorama

I totally agree with you! Just another hype supported by nothing

Feb 4, 2016permalink

probert500

If you ignore the new sensor, new autofocus, improved EVF, and fast burst rates with live view ,you have a good point.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Yeah, just ignore the stronger magnesium body, better AF system, new sensor, better EVF, silent shooting mode, etc! Sheesh.

But the A6000 is a great buy. For those who don't want or need what the A6300 offers, just get an A6000. Great camera for $500.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

AstroStan

" A6000 has been on sale for $400 recently"

Often when a new camera version is announced, the about-to-be-obsoleted camera is sold at substantial discount for a short time as the retailers empty their inventory (B&W). Sony increments cameras pretty frequently and getting one of the slightly older models can be a real bargain.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

art99

If Sony would also have a rear mounted ir remote sensor then one can control the zoom and pause/rec from a distance as in video requiring a crane or overhead monopod. But Sony did not include a wired remote functionality there is no way to control the camera when it is not facing you. Too bad but it would have been a sweet setup shooting 4k videos especially with the 18-105 PZ on a crane. My money goes elsewhere just for this seemingly unimportant feature. Perhaps next time Sony.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

thx1138

Take away the hype and poor old dpreview staff would have nothing to write about. They believe God made the world in 6 days and on the seventh he made Sony - like wow like amazing.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

What Sony does at the moment is ancient Canikon patch work, same old stuff just dusted on some places and much higher price just for almost nothing. Nikon's D500 is to me a real improvement compared to D300, but it took long time to come, and I do not know if this new revided and redusted camera policy every 6 month that Sony does will pay off, specially not if they do not at first target a better APS-C affordable lens offer. Not anyone wants to run a an affordable system camera with lenses that only oligarchs can afford to buy.

Feb 8, 2016permalink

Silat Shooter

I have mixed feelings about this new announcement. The video side of this camera is outstanding and the AF appears to be greatly improved. All those wonderful AF points, but no quick way to access and move them. Sony has pitched hard their IBIS system on their A7 cameras hard, but sadly it's not here. The new lenses they introduced are FF lenses and do NOT have IS function in the the lenses, so on the new A6300 no stabilization... Sony took a long time before they brought this camera to market, after such a long time and guessing a great deal of discussions how did they not address some of these things. I like Touchscreens, so for me that's another omission. As others have noted, battery life, you'll have to carry spares. Then another crummy kit lens, really?!?! This great sensor in this new body and that's what they paired it with?? I have an NEX 7 and in good light the IQ is great! Aside from the video, I was hoping for more.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

TrojMacReady

The announced 70-200 DOES have built in stabilization and would have been equally big if it just covered the APS-C circle. Which is why neither Canon, nor Nikon has APS-C only tele lenses.

More features would mean even higher price tag, which wouldn't make it a true successor of the A6000. Arguably, there's still room for another A7xxx series camera above it, with a larger body (more direct control) and IBIS.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Siobhan A

The 70-200 does have IS, but as Sony says, it works best when the camera has built-in IS too. The A6300 lacks that.
But with a probable MSRP of around $3000, this lens is not for A6300 owners anyway.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Silat Shooter

I missed the 70-200 having IS, my mistake. I agree the price point is where it should be, any higher and it would have impeded on their A7 series. For me, if they could have given a toggle to move the AF point (a la XPRO2) and a touch screen for say $100 more, I would have been very excited. I'm sure the AF and IQ will be great on this one. They were so close to what I was hoping for.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

lucky b4stard richard.

we all wanna get our hands on that.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Not that lucky - I wasn't able to take it with me.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

attomole

Actually for me there are no real deal breakers. apart from, possibly that the A6000, will do what i need for half the price.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Ian M.B.

Can't wait to own one!

Feb 4, 2016permalink

PerL

Why does the dynamic range in the 8 fps live view sample (boxing sequence) look so bad (blown out whites)? Does the quality go down in serial shooting or is it just a sample of general bad dynamic range in EVFs?

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

bakanecko

too many variables, and mostly depend on what kind video recorder and what setting used to record that EFV with.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Digimat

its filmed from the evf/display, of course it does look bad.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

PerL

One can see how the DR in the Live View changes the moment the sequence shooting starts.
One question is who filmed it - DPReview or Sony?

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

That was recorded using a phone camera held up to the eyepiece - the blown-out sections are a result of the phone's metering getting confused by the blackout between shots.

We'll shoot something better as soon as we get a camera but this is the best we could improvise during the available time, I'm afraid.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

PerL

@Rchard Butler
Thanks, that explains it.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Favorable Exponynt

No touch screen. No sale. No ibis no sale, no battery life no sale really for $1000 they should be able to make a more complete camera. They don't even need to put a mirror or a pentaxprism in it nor 3 or four motors operating it all. Only the physical shutter still reminds of a real camera. :p

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Mk82

It is action camera for god sake!

It doesn't need IBIS as you shoot anyways 1/500-4000 shutter speeds.

It doesn't need touchscreen as you don't have time to check shots as you fill cards with dozens from same scene.

It doesn't need over 3 hour battery for continuous usage as there isn't such action events where single battery needs such longevity.

It is a camera to fill one niche cap in Sony catalog and it is high speed sequential shooting, continuous autofocus with tracking capability where you need narrower field of view, hence you don't get APS-C lenses like 70-200mm but you use FF lenses to give you the extra reach.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Favorable Exponynt

So it is a GoPro?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Favorable Exponynt

And does it have weather sealing? That would be a no sale as well.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

It's not an "action camera", it's sony top of the line APS-C mirrorless. Most of these will not be purchased solely for action but as a jack of all trades (ref, look at the dpreview forums and see how many action A6000 picts there are versus everything else).

Feb 4, 2016permalink

ZeneticX

it does have weather sealing

" Aesthetically, the new α6300 camera features an extremely solid feel in hand thanks to its robust, magnesium alloy design. It can be customized to fit nearly any shooting style or preferences, with 9 customizable buttons that one of 64 different functions can be assigned to. The camera adds a digital level gauge as well as upgraded dust and moisture resistance "

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Thorgrem

So not weather sealed. It's also not top op the line. The D500 is a top of the line APS-C camera made for pro's. This one is clearly not

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

It's not weather sealed. Sony admits as much in a footnote to the press release. Just like the A7 cameras, there are no seals (rubber gaskets) like you'd find in say a Canon 7D II, Nikon D500, Pentax K-3 or Olympus E-M5, which are all splash proof bodies. That's why Sony uses the expression "dust and moisture resistance", and state explicitly (in the footnote) that the A6300 isn't splashproof or waterproof. It's made to keep moisture and dust out, but there's no guarantee that it will survive rain or a blizzard.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

So it´s like the Canon 70d.

Yeah it will resist some environmental hazards but don't you dare start complaining when the motherboard fries out.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

TrojMacReady

@ Revenant:
False, it does have seals, as also higlighted on the website.

"sealed buttons/dials and double-layered interlocking components prevent entry and moisture, for reliable operation under tough conditions".
And then there's a schematic visualization of all the seals:
http://sonyglobal.scene7.com/is/image/gwtprod/555afbafb0c3fa416623282ad4bd22c4?fmt=jpeg&wid=280&qlt=85

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

My mistake then. I assumed, based on that footnote in the press release, that it was "sealed" in the same way as the A7, in other words not at all (as Roger Cicala of Lens Rentals noted in his teardown of that body).

Thanks for the correction, I jumped to conclusions.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

"Only the physical shutter still reminds of a real camera."

Because a camera isn't a real camera unless it has a touchscreen and IBIS?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

EDWARD ARTISTE

One of those "it doesnt need" argument...just ridiculous.

what if you want to shoot at 1/30, no tripod...oh yeah, who "needs" this and that...

sheesh louise

Feb 5, 2016permalink

if you think changing a battery is hasell ....it a good job you never had a film camera

Feb 5, 2016permalink

Come on dave, Film days are gone history done for.

It's a nuisance one i am willing to take but still.
Not just carrying a second or 3rd battery(considering size i don't give a damn. But making sure i have them charged that's the bigger issue. Especially when you can only charge one at a time.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

know what you mean charging 1 at once..my 3 year old wandered off with my 100D/SL1 charger and i get a cheap double charger from feebay and now i am thinking of getting 2 more for my other cameras like this
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Battery-Charger-Canon-LP-E6-BC360/dp/B00NNF1620/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1454743743&sr=8-3&keywords=Dual+Battery+Charger

Feb 6, 2016permalink

Cheap accesoired may be easy to find for bog standard Canon batteries. But i have a Fujifilm X-E2.
Smaller instal base means hard to get more expensive accesoires.

Feb 6, 2016permalink

bugger...it was for my X-E2 i wanted 1 if i keep it

Feb 6, 2016permalink

Sold it?

Tried it out today with the new firmware.
It's a change. A game changing change.

Feb 6, 2016permalink

no not sold it ..not updated firmware as i not have any AF lenses as yet ..was going to do it after i get one/some so can see the difference . i was a bit disappointed to start with with the IQ as i read many reports of people coming from FF and liking the fuji better so allowing for exaggeration i think it should at least match my 10 year old 5D but it did not (i am saying it will not resolve more detail.) cut a long story short i still like the 5D output better..and yes i try other software apart from LR ....but its growing on me and i like using it ..but for me it wont replace a FF canon and big F2.8 lenses (a XT-1 + 50-140 F2.8 is almost as heavy as as you will not notice the difference as Canon 6D and a 70-200 F4 which will have the same FOV and DOF) but i can see me using it for an every day/travel/street cam

Feb 6, 2016permalink

Yes if you think it's gonna outperform a fullframe you have the wrong expectations. They are very good for Apsc.

As for outresolving your Canon 5D. they can but not with old lenses. They need the lenses that optimized for Apsc which have a pretty high MTF. Luckily most Fuji lenses are L lens territory.

I agree that the F2.8 lenses are very big and heavy. That's why i don't own them. The 18-55 F2.8-4 on the other hand is smaller then a 18-55 STM. And it runs circles around it for sure. It's actually sharper then the 17-55mm F2.8

But again not like a 24-70mm LII.

Feb 6, 2016permalink

Have you had the 17-55 f2.8 to compare with the fuji 18-55? as i find that interesting as i have the 17-55 f2.8 and it is good for a zoom..it was better than the 24-105L i had...as i get the fuji to play with my legacy MF glass and maybe a travel cam i was only going to get maybe 1 AF lens ..but i am having problems deciding between the 27mm very compact so good for pocket and street.. the 18.55 as it will be better at wide angle as legacy glass is lacking here or very expensive if its not ..and just good all rounder ..or the 35mm F1.4 as a like shallow DOF ..in reality a i think the 27mm and the 18-55 with my MF glass will do every thing that i wanted from the fuji

Feb 6, 2016permalink

http://www.photozone.de/fuji_x/783-fuji1855f284?start=1

Yes it's sharper.(just)

The 24-105mm F4 may have the red ring but it doesn't deserve it optically.

The 18-55mm is a great allrounder. At F4 you get some subject isolation at 85ish mm equiv. Unfortunately it's not enough to blow the background out.

It's very sharp across the rest of the range too. Only weakness severe barrel distortion at 18mm.

http://www.photozone.de/canon-eos/425-canon_1755_28is_50d?start=1

Feb 6, 2016*permalink

Photo_AK

Oh, wow ...

Feb 4, 2016permalink

dpreview

Since you have one of these to play with can you tell us if it's possible to control the powerzooms from the body?

Specifically I'd like to be able to control the zoom from the body and idealy specify a starting focal length and have the option to remember the last focal length when powering on.

Using the kit power zoom on my A6000 is a total PITA. On my NEX-3n I could zoom in and out from the body allowing for easy one handed operation. However on both bodies I get arguably the weakest focal length (both for sharpness and distortion) when I switch on the camera.

Thanks!

Feb 4, 2016permalink

drivecancel

I see it still uses that awful eyecup...

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I noticed that too! Almost useless plus loves to fall off. I lost my second and I don't think I'm going to bother to get a third.....

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Romasito

Mine is fine and I appreciate it is there - was good to blocking the bright light when on the ski slopes...

Feb 4, 2016permalink

FiveForm

The eyecup is there (aside from sheltering view from ambient light) so that when it falls off you know you're beating your camera a bit to hard.... ;-)

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

jwkphoto

I put a little bit of rubber glue on each side if the eyecup over a year ago and it hasn't fallen off. With a little push in can be removed if needed.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Don't worry, you lose it within the first week and you forget it after that. They anyway will never learn at Sony, and 10$ for the piece of crap to replace it is robbery pure.

Feb 8, 2016permalink

jwkphoto

Well, not quite, it's been 16 months and it hasn't fallen off yet!

Feb 9, 2016permalink

jango

If it had touchscreen it would be great

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Romasito

What exactly would you use it for? Video focus - yes, but anything else?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I've grown to love the touch screen on my EOS-M. When I switch to my A6000 I especially miss:

Choosing a focus point for stills and video. All of the A6000 hacks (zone focus, poor (in low light) AF tracking) don't make up for me being able to rapidly touch and command the camera to focus on a specific point.

Touch to snap or whatever it's called. Your touch does not just select the focus point, it selects the focus point and snaps the shutter. Not a second lost and great for chasing kids around or any other action. An added bonus is you hand it to a stranger to take your picture, tell them it's just like a smart phone and actually get a decent picture exposed on your face in return.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

Finally the biggest gripe I have with the A6000 is how awkward it is to review your work compared to other cameras. When you look at a picture, hit the zoom and you can almost count to 3 one thousand before it actually zooms (for a raw file) then it's zoomed all the way in on a point you don't care about forcing you to zoom back out and/or pan around to get what you want. On my touch screen cameras (and iphone) I just "pinch to zoom" exactly where I want it and see exactly what I want to see at the zoom level I want in a fraction of the time that it takes on the sluggish A6000.

All that said what the A6300 or entire AXXXX line needs is a decent screen. All of the screens are a movie aspect ratio with a lot of wasted space viewing picts. End result: looking at a pict is like looking at a 2.5" screen on any other camera, way smaller than the competition and silly small for this class of camera.

Feb 5, 2016*permalink

Romasito

Thanks for sharing - valid points. Definitely would love to have the touch capability for reviewing the photos and when asking passers by to take photo of me and my friends :)

Feb 12, 2016permalink

Mirrorless technology is definitely advancing at a very high speed. It's definitely exciting times!

Feb 4, 2016permalink

hwzjerry

How's the startup time compared to the a6000?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I think we are in the wrong forum for any info that may be actually useful. Look at the A6000 review on dpreview, they glossed over every issue. I felt betrayed by dpreview when I got the A6000 and it felt like using a point and shoot in regard to startup time, image review, less than perfect light af performance, and lockup after a burst, none of which was mentined in the dpreview review. Oh how I miss phil's reviews with his timings etc.

Feb 5, 2016*permalink

Raist3d

Richard- any news if the RAW is lossless?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Jeff Keller

As far as we know, there is no lossless Raw support.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Antonio G

As Raist3d asked "if the RAW is lossless", do you think the announced 14 bits RAW are loss compressed or just not compressed (and this way how can it not be lossless)?
When Sony introduced 14 bits RAW to the A7 it left the possibility for user selection of lossless compression and as was implemented by firmware, why should Sony do it differently here?

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

"or just not compressed (and this way how can it not be lossless)?"

'Lossless' and 'lossy' refers to the compression method. If the file isn't compressed at all, it's meaningless to say that it's lossless.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

badi

Because they already updated the raw compression option where they wanted to. If now they release a model without this option it is most likely it will not be added at a later time.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Raist3d

Antonio - because it's not clear from the specs and due to previous issues here they should clarify this.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Antonio G

Raist3d - I fully agree with you and I took your question in that sense and if someone doesn't clarify it before I think that when at least when they make an user manual available we will get the answer, besides at the announced price point itwouldn't make much sense if the camera comes without a looseness compressed mode.

Feb 5, 2016permalink

http://www.sony.com/electronics/interchangeable-lens-cameras/ilce-6300-body-kit/specifications

RAW is compressed ARW 2.3, same as on all other cameras, there is no 14 bit lossless compression format provided, one more reason to forget it. It also has an USB 2.0 port, and 1/4000 th shutter limit, that is ancient stuff, Sony !!!

Feb 8, 2016*permalink

Antonio G

According to the specifications at Sony's sites the RAW output is at 14 bits, besides the RAW format being ARW 2.3, see at:

The doubt raised here is if it is just plain or/and compressed RAW.
You're right about minimum speed but there are some other issues as AF sensitivity range of -1 to 20 that can (?) impact effectiveness under low light.

Feb 8, 2016*permalink

no weather sealing, pity! not a must I guess but it does just add to the overall package... the new AF looks promising though.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

ZeneticX

it does have weather sealing... read the full press release

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Thanks ZeneticX, missed it.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I'll repeat my comment from above:

"It's not weather sealed. Sony admits as much in a footnote to the press release. Just like the A7 cameras, there are no seals (rubber gaskets) like you'd find in say a Canon 7D II, Nikon D500, Pentax K-3 or Olympus E-M5, which are all splash proof bodies. That's why Sony uses the expression "dust and moisture resistance", and state explicitly (in the footnote) that the A6300 isn't splashproof or waterproof. It's made to keep moisture and dust out, but there's no guarantee that it will survive rain or a blizzard."

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Thanks for the clarification Revenant, appreciated.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

TrojMacReady

@ Revenant:
And I'll repeat that your statements regarding the lack of seals are false. Not just because they aren't supported factually (other than the assumption based on the excerpt you mention, which does NOT state there are no seals). It's false because Sony specifically states it DOES have seals:
"sealed buttons/dials and double-layered interlocking components prevent entry and moisture, for reliable operation under tough conditions".
And then there's a schematic visualization of all the seals:
http://sonyglobal.scene7.com/is/image/gwtprod/555afbafb0c3fa416623282ad4bd22c4?fmt=jpeg&wid=280&qlt=85

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Yes, as I replied above, I jumped to conclusions here. Sorry about that, and I retract my comments. Again, thanks for the correction.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Ok so it is weather sealed... sort of??

Feb 4, 2016permalink

User3147923373

There will be A6500 soon, without touch screen, IBIS, enhanced resolution, 6300 is just a minor upgrade/patch on A6000.
Sony management always makes the same mistake in thinking of themselves as market leader. From history, we can see how Sony failed in MiniDisc(MD) market, Walkman market, TV market, Tablet market...etc.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Good upgrade. I'll keep my A6000 as a second body. Looking forward to eventually adding the A6300 is a main body. One lens on each body to cut down on lens changes. Ultra-compact but packs a lot of performance. I'm excited.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

- sorry - wrong post.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Ah man, for APS-C format it will be a hard choice for me between this and the Nikon D500.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

m27x4

How can you compare both cameras? based on sensor size alone? The Sony is an advanced P&S with the ability to swap lenses, whereas the D500 is a pro-level camera, a work-horse built for extreme conditions.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Jun2

Not everybody shoots under extreme conditions. Most people actually don't . Sony cameras don't really breaks down easily. I have/had 5 different Sony bodies total, none of them have broken down in my hands.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

@m27x4 - the Sony is an "advanced P&S"? Seriously? The A6300 packs a considerable amount of power and performance. Also, not everyone shoots in extreme conditions. In fact, the overwhelming majority of photographers will never shoot in extreme conditions. Why buy a Range Rover off-road vehicle if you never venture off of paved roads?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

AdamT

I`d get both..

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

As an A6000 owner I have to laugh at your dilema. Point and Shoot on steroids or pro DSLR? It should be an easy choice.....

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Thematic

Actually wouldn't Sony be flattered?

The a6300 is $1000
The Nikon $2000

Can you imagine someone saying the same thing for any other industry? Nobody has a hard time deciding between a $25,000 Toyota Camry and a $50,000 Lexus. Different market segments.

Both the nikon and Sony are spectacular releases - as is the fujifilm xpro2 and Olympus offerings.. All these Japanese companies fighting for your dollars is fantastic.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

different animals entirely.

if you're looking for a compact solution: a6300 will be difficult to beat in the APS-C segment...

if you're looking at a sturdier construction, better interface, better ergonomics, broader choice of lenses & accessories (a system), and happen to already have nikon compatible lenses... the D500 will be really the better choice.

I think the Sony a6300 will be an amazing choice if you're opting for a smallish camera with a high IQ and lots of features.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Olympus offerings?!

Did i miss something?!

All they announced was style without substance.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

FiveForm

No worries for me, if I'm getting wet or sandblasted I won't let my camera suffer along with me....

Feb 4, 2016permalink

BarnET

Style without substance?
How comes?
Pen-F has a high res. viewfinder, has a lot of direct manual controls, even a two-dial interface, touch screen, IBIS, 20Mpx (which is an improvement over the past m4/3 offerings)...
The design & style may not be to your liking - and that's perfectly fine.... but calling it style without substance?

aside from a better AF, and less blackout in between of shots.,.. the a6300 still has a mediocre operators interface (ergonomics), still has no touchscreen, still has no ibis,...

Feb 4, 2016permalink

High res yeah sure but who cares?!
you mean the same low mag EVF we find in pretty much all mirrorless options priced at 699,- 799,-
Except the Panasonic G7. That one actually has a better 0.67x EVF

It has a lot of direct controls. But so does the XT-10 and G7 and EM10 II for that matter.

then these days everyone has a touchscreen. well except Sony and Fuji

I actually like the Style. But it still lacks the substance. eq. style without substance.

The A6300 however
is moisture resistant
shoots 4k video
Has PDAF

It may be bothersome at times but it has substance.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

BarnET

I think they just have a different feature set and target audience.

As mentioned elsewhere, I don't think the PenF is targeted at the video-crowd. for that matter no olympus truly is... panasonic takes the vote here.

Small VF. yeah sure.
If I peek through either of my FF Nikons these tiny viewfinders are just that: tiny.
(the notable exception being the OM-D E-M1... its viewfinder is pretty awesome for a mirrorless EVF)...
but having a viewfinder over having none at all (like many of the mirrorless sub-1000$ offerings (fuji X-M1 & co) is worth considering.
Also looking at the PenF as a successor to the E-P-series: none of them had a viewfinder (but a shoddy addon thingy).
this is an improvement imho... notable at it.

I'm not sure about you: I've tried the a6000 -it's a nice enough camera but the ergonomics & UI are rather much of a let down in my opinion. I mean a Nikon D5500 or something along the lines gives anyone a much more direct approach... better overall handling.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

This is something that made me buy a Fuji X100 in the first place: it operates like a camera.... exposure compensation dial, aperture control... I don't care if there's an actual aperture ring or a canon/nikon DSLR type two-dial interface (both work well)...
but having to fiddle with buttons to adjust exposure compensation, etc...? no thanks.

For me - and I get that those are personal preferences - the direct access to the bulk of the photographic parameters is one of the most crucial aspects when operating a camera.

One thing for example that I think 99% of the cameras get wrong: lack of a basic classic LCD display (nikon & canon DSLRs have it on the mid to pro models) - backlighted as well.
maybe I'm just too used to this.... but it eats almost zero battery... it's quick and easy and it's on top - I can see it before I lift the camera to my eye...

now the more I have to use the rear screen, menus, etc. the more annoying it becomes.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

The pen-F isn't a sub 1000 dollar camera.
Not a lot of mirrorless lack EVF's below 1 grand. And all mirrorless above 1 grand have significantly larger EVF's.

Gx-8 EM-1 EM-5II and XT-1 for instance. They are also all weathersealed.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

BarnET,
I guess you have a point there... valid enough, at its current suggested retail price it's over 1k$...
And yes, the others at that point have larger EVFs...
hadn't looked at it this way.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

In reply to all of you who say the comparison is silly:

I have shot with everything from an iPhone to an IQ180. A camera is not made "pro" by its weather sealing but by its use.

As a previous owner of the a6000, I know the image quality it can yield, and have no problem grouping it (or in this case, its successor) with any other APS-C sensor body.

Either camera will produce images of similar quality. For my intentions the small body (at half the price) may be more advantageous than weather sealing.

If you shoot wildlife or sports, or if you have a nasty pro camera inferiority complex, this clearly is not the camera for you. No need to knock others for wondering aloud which of two cameras *that likely produce similar quality files* is best for their uses.

Go shoot, troll boys. Or go sit in that fluorescently lit cubicle a little longer, so you can buy your "pro" cameras that will never pay for themselves.

Feb 15, 2016*permalink

Tom,

pro bodies & weather sealing...
well I don't know in what scenario you use your cameras for work... if it's studio stuff, sure I don't see why anyone would bother about weather sealing / Dust etc...
I do a lot of industrial related photography for my work... and a good bit of (outdoor) PJ work...
my cameras have been rained on, exposed to dusty environments, etc... weather & dust sealing is crucial for me.

Also some wear resistance is a good thing... if I look at my old D3... that poor thing has taken a few beatings... it's still working.. same for my D800...
it's a tool and the tool needs to perform its designated task....
for me that includes some tough build quality.

and what does that statement about "I have shot everything from an iphone to an IQ180" say...
honestly I've shot with a most of that and in between too.... so what....

There's a difference: a Professional: somene who gets the majority of the income through that work.
a professional camera... not the same.

Feb 15, 2016permalink

Mike FL

Which SONY 24MP sensor is newer/better?

1. The one that SONY gives to FUJI X-Pro2
2. This one
3. Same

Take your pick.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Thematic

I pick "these cameras are not available yet and both will be excellent and the lens attached will matter most so no need to worry about the sensor."

Feb 4, 2016permalink

new boyz

My NEX-5N.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

It's likely the same sensor, any differences in IQ being caused by the different colour filter arrays and different signal processing.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Zandalee

Hi, I also have to complain with Your excitement!
How is possible that in 2016 Sony introduced a camera that is not self healing or that is not possible to charge via wifi by my Toyota Prius Full Frame while I'm breaking so that is more environment friendly? Why You of DPR are so excited? That camera doesn't take care of biometrical parameter of the flower I'm shooting, it doesn't recognize the breed of the cat I'm shooting and the exif file are not connected with my insurance card! What a shame! And most of all, it does not take pictures by itself! I do not care about 14 stop DR on 6k downscaled to 4 k video! I do not care of 400 focus points since I do not know how to take a pic.... :-)

Feb 4, 2016permalink

cgarrard

Has the startup lag time been addressed yet?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I really hope so. It wasn't obvious at the shooting event.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

pJara

Good for photographers, but the video would put option resampling 6K / 4K to fullHD 50fps, it would be a beauty ?? FullHD is standard and this should be great, right sexy! Who agrees with me ??? :) Já bych to bral !

Feb 4, 2016permalink

KrisAK

Do any add-ons provide a port for audio monitoring? If you're in the field and want to review footage with audio, is there a workaround?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Artpt

the Sony A 5100 has a touch screen and is a great feature to implement in all their product lines. I wonder why they never revisited touchscreen. Like other comments I'm a bit disappointed in this.... everything else seems great.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

new boyz

Sony treated touchscreen similarly as how Canon treated tilt screen - they are for beginners. Which I totally disagree with.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I wonder if SONY are treating the touchscreen and EVF as mutually exclusive. For one, without a toggle to disable the touchscreen's function, the shooter would always be pressing buttons with his/her nose.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Mk82

That's why there is proximity sensor that disable touchscreen when you raise camera to your eye!

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Clearly Panasonic knows something that Sony doesn't.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

FiveForm

The a5100 has a touchscreen since it has so few hard controls on the camera body and is geared more to newbies. There was a touchscreen on my old NEX-5n and I turned it off since every time I moved the LCD I changed the focal point, or some other function. Personally, I like touchscreens on Smartphones, tablets, etc., but not on real cameras...

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Artpt

Some may not like touch screen, so disabling it would satisfy those individuals...but not implementing on a camera is omitting the those consumers that use touch focus from buying up a great camera line....strategically discouraging a broader appeal in an already dwindling market share.....happy photos to all.

Feb 6, 2016permalink

piratejabez

Thanks, Richard! :)

Feb 4, 2016permalink

garyknrd

For a industry that is dying. This has got to be the best time in history to be an amateur photographer.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

I couldn't agree more.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

quicky422

what is the dying industry??? And Why? Are you referring to DSRL?

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

RedDog Steve

It's not quite dying yet, just coughing and wheezing a bit, maybe a little shaky in the knees.
The attending physicians are doing everything in their power ...

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

PhotoUniverse

What industry are you referring to?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

JKPinPDX

I think with the influx of crappy smartphone pics out on the net, those of us with the passion for REAL proper photography are reaping the rewards of true talent and effort. Nothing against smartphone cameras, but IMO... I am glad that everyone "just uses their phone" for most photography. Just makes "our" pictures stand out more! I will get this camera. I have hesitated on jumping into the 4k world, this might be the bridge to start it for me anyways. I do own 2 Sony RX line of cameras. I love em.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

Don Sata

It's not dying it's just recovering it's level after an artificial bubble.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

garyknrd

Guess I should of said suposidly dying!
I'm quite frankly amazed at the current offerings.
Couldn't have asked for a better time to retire as an amateur photographer! It will just get better IMO.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

The market for dedicated cameras has been shrinking since 2012 (the compact segment even since 2010) and will continue to shrink according to most analysts. But it isn't dying, it will settle at a lower level determined by the number of pros, enthusiasts and amateurs with a genuine photography interest. Most casual photographers have already decided that their smartphone is the only camera they need.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Chillbert

Lack of touchscreen (specifically, touch to select focus point) is a frustrating gap. Why Sony?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

VincentMike

No IBIS, No BSI, No Waterproof. Then a6300= no camera. Waiting it's hard !!!!!

Feb 4, 2016permalink

CanonKen

Sony would like to sell you an a7 ;)

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Lan Kasu

Keep on waiting, I don't think there is a single camera that met all your requirement

Feb 4, 2016permalink

https://youtu.be/up8K_xd_iwU

It is in fact weather-sealed.

And the BSI technology has lent only marginal improvements in noise from what I can tell. SONY did re-engineer the readout circuitry on this one. I expect that this will be a top performing APS-C sensor.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

So a camera that doesn't have all those things = no camera? Then I guess that applies to a lot of other cameras, too. There are a lot of cameras out there that are "no camera" to you. BTW, the A6300 has a magnesium alloy body with weather sealing. It may not have extreme weather sealing, but certainly enough to handle a decent amount of moisture.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

bmwzimmer

DPreview, Please do a comparison between the D500, 7Dii, and A6300, & NX1 shooting Ice Hockey (through glass) or a evening football game or indoor basketball game. It's the only way to test if Mirrorless cameras can compete with DSLR's in sports/wildlife photography

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Thematic

Already done last year..... A6000 second only to Nikon D4s.

All the cameras you mention can rock hockey, football basketball etc.

Will be a great year for sports shooters.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

FencerPTS

@Thematic Not even close. Mirrorless enthusiast bodies alone and a D4s thrown in for fun does not compare to 7D.2, D7200, K3, etc...
I for one would love to see a well-done true sports shootout (one that puts CS's amateu- hour video in its place).

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Mk82

Not last year but over a year ago... 2014 you know ;)

And E-M1 didn't have fw3.0 what made it better than any other than D4, even it is shown by some owners hands on both with samples that it beats 7Dmk2.

It would be interesting to see again a one new challenge.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

"By Thematic (10 hours ago)
https://youtu.be/up8K_xd_iwU

Already done last year..... A6000 second only to Nikon D4s."

How is indoor sports equal to outdoor motorcross racing? My A6000 totally sucks at basketball. I call it "sunny day PDAF" because in anything but splendid lighting the auto tracking falls on it's face; almost useless for indoor sports.

Feb 4, 2016*permalink

tecnoworld

Nx1 with fw 1.4 has improved 100% in af on moving targets. My personal hit rate, with in focus subject, passed from about 45% to over 90%, at 15fps, on a child running towards me in mid/good light.

Af in low light improved even more.

It's now really comparable to d4s, if used with knowledge and right settings. Unfortunately, only eosHD cared to test the latest fw and they did for video only.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

DFPanno

Electronic level?

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Everlast66

yes, you can see it in the video

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Karateka

Im also a bit dissappointed. Panasonic's gx8 is not bigger than the a6000 but has ibis and even works with lens-stabilisation together....its a pity but maybe its time for a system-change...

Feb 3, 2016permalink

abortabort

GX8 IS bigger. Has IBIS (basic) but also a smaller sensor.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Rishi Sanyal

Not sure the two are comparable. Completely different sensor sizes, and one weighted toward high fps shooting with (probably) class-leading AF (for mirrorless, that is), and live view with minimal blackout for following action at high (8 fps) frame rates.

And the differences definitely don't end there. Panasonic has much nicer ergonomics IIRC. Very different cameras.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

Karateka

Ok, agree but the panasonic has the 12-40 2.8 lens with oss and its much cheaper (600€) than comparable sony lenses, which actually doesnt exist besides the 16-70mm which has only f4 and bad reviews and the full frame lenses like the 16-35f4 which are very expensive and bulky compared to the 12-40mm.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

tobicy68

Well on the 12-40/2.8 and potentially other m43 lenses that Sony APSC E mount lacks equivalent to, Sony tackles this with the LA-EA3 + A mount lenses. You can use the Sony 16-50/2.8 with the EA3. How fast is the AF and tracking is yet to be tested but definitely faster than on the A6000 at least from what they claim. Size and weight with the EA3 combo is fully arguable when compared to m43 but again we are comparing different sensor sizes, there are compromises.

Feb 4, 2016permalink

cgarrard

People aren't going to use the adapter. Nobody wants to do that. A very small minority of people will.

Sony does need to work on the lens lineup- but they are riding the full frame momentum of FE right now, as they should.

Feb 4, 2016permalink