Adobe issues ACR 6.7 - final version of Camera Raw for CS5

Why doesn't Adobe offer the option of upgrading just the ACR component for a fee? The new ACR engine looks bomb, but I don't really see anything else in PS:CS6 I want. And yes, I've tried the beta.

Such an option could be at an intermediate price between LR and a full PS upgrade. (although, since it would only be a small component of either, rightfully should be less than either)

This way, Adobe is always only working on the latest version and doesn't have to mess with confusion like this--I mean, you do realize that CS6 is shipping already, ya? Shouldn't compatibility with the latest gear there be priority?

...here they appear to have release a new version of PS and an upgrade for the old version that makes it more useful than the new.

On what planet does this make sense?

May 2, 2012*permalink

SiriusDoggy

The ACR upgrade does not make it "MORE" useful then CS6. It makes it the same. CS6 comes with ACR7 that already has all of these cameras. So for now CS5 and CS6 are compatible with all of the same cameras but what they are saying is this is the last upgrade to ACR for CS5 so any new cameras from this point on and you will be S.O.L. Kinda sucks for some, not me though. I'll be upgrading to CS 7 or 8 before getting rid of my perfectly fine 5dMII.

May 3, 2012permalink

Yeah, that's not my point at all. My point is not the typical whining about compatibility (which isn't completely Adobe's issue). My whining is that I like the new ACR engine and want it with my older PS. That and, why did they release an ACR update to the old PS, when they just shipped a new PS? Shouldn't they have release them at the same time, or concentrated on the new release? Don't they want to make all the people who forked over the considerable money for a new PS version happy they did so?

May 3, 2012permalink

Oh, and no, ACR 7 is NOT currently compatible with all these cameras. It actually includes none of them.

May 5, 2012permalink

Combatmedic870

Soooo...I have ACR 7.0 for CS6....What cameras does that include??

May 2, 2012permalink

...none of what's new in this release. : D

Aren't you glad you bought the latest software?

(that's not a criticism of early adoption, that's a criticism of Adobe for appearing to punish it's early adopters with less compatibility with new gear)

May 3, 2012permalink

Fergus Hammond

Since CS6 isn't actually released yet, your comment seems a little premature!

May 4, 2012permalink

Jerry 39

Where can you download CR6.7 at. I could not find it on the Adobe web site

May 2, 2012permalink

The above links worked for me.

May 2, 2012permalink

AlephNull

My copy of Photoshop CS5 updated itself to include ACR 6.7 on Saturday. I had the beta already installed to support D800E, but I was happy to see the non-beta version install itself.

May 6, 2012permalink

Dick Lund

Where is the ACR file located in cs5 and LR4?

May 2, 2012permalink

in C:/Program files/common files/adobe/plug-ins/CS5/fileformats/

Jun 24, 2012permalink

Kyle Pozan

Is this the last update for CS5.5 as well?

May 2, 2012permalink

rondhamalam

Amazing that Adobe auto-update was updating my ACR before I got confirmation from this site.

May 2, 2012permalink

lylejk

I will admit that I'm a GIMP guy, but I'll further admit you just can't beat ACR. Downloaded/installed the update earlier. Don't believe I needed it for my Leica, but it's nice to have updates. lol

I hope I don't need a new camera any time soon though since I'm not buying Adobe's policy change (I reserve the right to change, but as it stands now, CS5 is my last upgrade). :)

May 2, 2012permalink

BPJosh

Wish the 3200 was on this list......

May 2, 2012permalink

Hmm, why does my copy of LR4 say Camera Raw 7.0? Does that include the 5D3?

May 2, 2012permalink

PixelMover

No, ACR7 does NOT support the 5DmkIII (yet), only ACR6.7

May 2, 2012permalink

AshMills

There is logic for you..

May 2, 2012permalink

Weird. So can 6.7 be installed in LR? Or just CS5?

May 2, 2012permalink

rondhamalam

Strange.
do you use MAC?

May 2, 2012permalink

6.7 Can't be installed in LR4, nor in Photoshop CS6's ACR version. If you want to convert the new file flavors supported in 6.7, you have to either use the old Bridge+ACR or you have to use the DNG converter. I suspect that an updated version 7 converter will come soon since Adobe's releasing the CS6 suite in just a few days.

May 2, 2012permalink

Mac. 6.7 works for me in CS5.

May 2, 2012*permalink

graybalanced

LR4 says Camera Raw 7 because that's the version that's in there. The proof is that LR4 uses the new 2012 Develop controls, ACR 6.7 does not. The Photoshop CS6 public beta already uses ACR7, with the new controls, so it's not like this is some weird surprise. It's all consistent.

May 2, 2012permalink

CS6 has properly shipped now (officially out of beta), yet this is released? Methinks something is out of sync...

May 2, 2012permalink

ELLIOT P STERN

I have the X pro 1 and I agree Clint. It is not that I cannot work with the files in Silky Pix, but the program is just so mixed up. Hopefully Adobe and Fuji will come to a meeting of the minds soon.

May 2, 2012permalink

Clint Dunn

Hmm...as a prospective X-Pro1 buyer this kind of sucks. Maybe this will be a lesson to companies like Fuji to use DNG instead of all this proprietary crap.

May 2, 2012permalink

echelon2004

It's the cfa which is causing the problem, not the file format. Dng wouldn't have helped at all, if it's even allowing non Bayer cfa.

May 2, 2012permalink

DNG allows for non-bayer sensors. Witness the support for earlier Fuji sensor patterns.

May 2, 2012permalink

dimalozz

Hey! Where are chromatic aberration options !!??????????????

May 2, 2012*permalink

graybalanced

If you mean the new ones in the LR4 beta, if those are part of PV 2012, you will never see them in any ACR 6.x, but in ACR 7. But since the current PSCS6 beta went public before the new CA controls, they are not in the ACR 7 we got...presumably they will show up in a later ACR 7.

May 2, 2012permalink

rob_hogen

Possibility for manually correcting chromatic aberrations appears to have disappeared from ACR 6.7

May 4, 2012permalink

ytfelpma

Yeah they removed the sliders and put a little checkbox under Lens Profiles. I don't like the automatic function as it isn't as good as the manual control - it is quicker but I feel I can get cleaner results from the manual adjustments. You have to downgrade to 6.6 to get the functionality back. (I have a mac and just replaced the plugin file with an earlier one /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Plug-Ins/CS5/File Formats/Camera Raw.plugin)

May 4, 2012permalink

I agree, I was desperately searching for the sliders and could not find any. So, I reverted to the former version that I had on my laptop. The checkbox type works good with some lenses and bad with others, manual adjustment works fine with all.

Jun 24, 2012permalink

Now the LR users will finally find out what the 5D3 can really do.

May 2, 2012permalink

bdcolen

I may be missing something here - But I have never imported files directly into PS or LR for conversion, but rather used the free-standing Adobe DNG converter, which just sits on my desktop til I need it. When I have a new card of images, I open the DNG converter, tell it where to find the proprietary raw files, tell it were to put them, what to call them, and what to number them, and hit start - and I get a folder full of DNGs. At some point I drag that folder into LR, and later move some images into PS. So am I missing something, or does this system not avoid the worrying about what version of PS I am using?

May 2, 2012permalink

sfried

If you are using LR, then you can simply insert your card, then in LR go to Import and import the images as DNG to wherever you want them to reside.

May 2, 2012permalink

ELLIOT P STERN

I think that works great but it has to be able to understand the raw format it is importing. In the case of the Fuji x pro 1 as an example, it does not recognize the file and therefore does not convert it. If I am wrong, then any help in pointing me in the proper direction to make conversion happen would be appreciated.

May 2, 2012permalink

You're missing substantial improvements in raw image processing by the newer versions of ACR. ACR 7 in particular delivers big improvements in shadow/highlight handling. You can process DNG files with any older ACR/Lightroom version, but you won't get as good a result as with the new Adobe software.

May 2, 2012permalink

Skroob

Last for CS5. what a scam. "Sure, you can use this software you paid for as long as you wish. Oh, you want to be able to open your files? Well, you will have to pay for an upgrade then."

May 2, 2012permalink

(unknown member)

Boo....hoo. Oh, woe is me, it's so expensive to have a crew clean my mansion, and my golden shoes are too tight. Scam? They continue to put manpower into a product and they have the audacity to want to charge money for that work? The nerve! Quit whining about having a very expensive hobby and then having the misfortune of then being required to pay for it.

May 2, 2012permalink

h2k

@Skroob: This complaint comes up whenever a news about ACR is posted. It doesn't get better by repetition.

Use DNG Converter and you're done forever - use new cameras with very old Photoshops. For details, see the text by bdcolen not far from you in this thread.

May 2, 2012*permalink

Exactly. DNG converter solves the problem. You want added convenience? Pay for it.

May 2, 2012permalink

Dylthedog

Lightroom is so cheap now, why worry about ACR?

May 2, 2012permalink

DNG conversion lets you stay with your old software. However, the newest raw converter is much improved over the older versions. So you can upgrade and get better results, or you can stay with your current version and spend time running DNG conversions. Your money, your choice.

May 2, 2012permalink

AshMills

Is it me or is this much less respnsive than 6.6?

May 2, 2012permalink

Great British Landscapes

Great news!

May 2, 2012permalink

CameraCarl

I tried downloading the upgrade on my iMac running Snow Leopard and the download failed to work. I got a message saying to try again, and still no go. Did anyone else have a similar problem?

May 2, 2012permalink

Dylthedog

Worked fine on mine running Lion.

May 2, 2012permalink

Tomskyair

Couldn't agree more about DNG. But Adobe's policy to terminate support for older versions of Photoshop by just not issuing ACR updates for previous versions any longer does also upset me a little. To me this just looks like a marketing move rather than a real necessity. I'm happy with my current version of PS and would see no need to upgrade anytime soon. However, my next camera will probably be the Fuji X-Pro 1.

So I'm screwed, along with the acquisition costs for the new equipment comes the hefty upgrade price of PS if I want to carry on with my usual workflow and stay on the legal side as well. Clever move, Adobe - but for sure one that annoys the hell out of not to few customers.

May 2, 2012permalink

Nigel Wilkins

I'll be in the same boat soon with Lightroom. There are always alternatives. If people don't change, Adobe won't either.

May 2, 2012permalink

Right and since Photoshop CS6 remains unproven software, it is really arrogant of Adobe to stop supplying ACR updates for CS5. Microsoft managed to drive many away from Office with the release of MS Office 2007. Similarly the Microsoft release of Windows Vista was giant gift to Apple's Mac sales.

(Photoshop CS6 is not likely to be a Windows Vista level disaster, but Adobe can't behave like they're the only game in town, no matter how good ACR is at raw extraction. Glad I spent 20 bucks on the intro upgrade from Bibble 5 to Aftershot.)

May 2, 2012permalink

BaldCol

I agree it's a shoddy policy but can't you just convert to DNR as the first step of your workflow to overcome this?

May 2, 2012permalink

Vista wasn't a disaster except in terms of marketing failure. Windows ME, now THAT was a disaster!

May 2, 2012permalink

Biggs23:

I had a Windows ME machine and it was terrible. Sorry from what I read and my associates experienced Vista was close to ME.

And no Windows 7 is not what I'd call real stable either. 3 hard crashes just yesterday.

May 2, 2012permalink

Dylthedog

Vista was terrible; fat, slow and not very user friendly. It's the reason my wife and I now use Macs.

May 2, 2012permalink

bobby1781

sounds like you should save your money on photography software and take a computer course

May 2, 2012permalink

Louis_Dobson

Love the chap above who is commenting on a thread announcing a new free ACR upgrade to CS5 by complaining that Adobe don't offer free ACR upgrades for CS5.

May 2, 2012permalink

Louis_Dobson:

The complaint is that this is the end of ACR upgrades for Photoshop CS5, and that now one will have to pay $200 for for an upgrade to CS6 just to use ACR 7.xxxx.

(This point is particularly important for those who own the Fuji X Pro1 and want to use that Fuji's raws to their best capacities. Also obviously there will be new raw capable cameras introduced in the fall of 2012. Adobe should have said CS5 users can get ACR 7.xxx free for say 12 months, then they'll need to upgrade to CS6. Remember CS6 is unproven software and Adobe could have screwed up as badly as Microsoft did with Windows ME and Windows Vista etc--not saying Adobe has messed up, but being forced to pay 200 bucks to find out is insulting.)

May 2, 2012permalink

I've been doing all my image editing via PS CS6 public beta. No significant problems. New new ACR is MUCH better at highlight and shadow handling. Get the cheap Lightroom if you're so concerned about PS CS6.

May 2, 2012permalink

bobby1781

If someone gave you a $200 lens you would say it was junk, if someone gave you a $200 camera you would say it was junk. If you think software can be created, supported, updated, tested for free, do it yourself. I have never seen so many people in a hobby who can't wait for lenses to get updates and bodies to get better, then bitch like ignorant fools that they can't use their 7 year old OS that they got for free with their system, and bitch that they can't get free updates forever. You aren't smart enough to understand computers, and you can't afford the photography tools you want. So, it must be everyone elses' fault. There is a free RAW converter that comes with your camera. Use it.

May 2, 2012permalink

BJN:

Good to know that you like PS CS6, but my other objection is having to pay $200 for solely for ACR 7.xxxx. I'll probably buy the "upgrade", but will wait until more people post positive comments about PS CS6.

May 2, 2012permalink

bobby1781:

Photoshop CS5 has been out for 7 years? Not. Sorry I've only had it for 6 months, in my world that qualifies me for a free upgrade.

That old OS known as Windows XP still has a lot going for it as do those manual focus Leica M and R lenses and a bunch of other "old stuff".

Nikon DSLRs come with free raw extraction software? Where do you live?

May 2, 2012*permalink

Fredy Ross

If I have no bugs and no new camera do I need to update?

May 2, 2012permalink

Nope!

May 2, 2012permalink

Greg Gebhardt

I wish they would all go to DNG and end this cr^p!

May 2, 2012permalink

DNGs are still somewhat camera specific. That's one of the reasons DXO is so bad about DNG support.

May 2, 2012permalink

It serves nobody if they go all to DNG and all of them put flags inside that make any of them individual and non compatible, as it is actually. We will never see one single raw format anyway, there is no hope in that direction.
You better stick to the camera's native raw format, at least all common photo-soft have the conversion code and open them, except for the more recent to the soft cameras that await updates.

Jun 24, 2012*permalink

Earthlight

Once upon the time there was a RAW converter called RS, the Raw Shooter. They had a free version called Raw Shooter Essentials. I did not like the colors but the software had an amazing pattern noise suppression tool.

Unless my memory fails me Adobe bought the whole enterprise and ever since then I have been waiting for that magical pattern noise suppression slider to emerge in ACR.

Will it ever happen? DPR, could you ask Adobe? I am certain many people would find it useful.

May 2, 2012*permalink

graybalanced

There's a new Moire suppressor in LR4 local adjustment controls. Do you know if this is related to the RawShooter tech?

May 2, 2012permalink

the new camera Raw noise supression is quite stunning, even compared to the most popular like Imagenomic, Topaz or Noise Ninja. NIK denoiser is the worst.

Jun 24, 2012permalink

bdorichards

Will this now work with the latest DNGs from Lightroom 4?

May 2, 2012permalink

richardplondon

I believe so. Certainly all the various interactions are now supported properly between LR4 and CS5, in that the adjustments made in Lightroom are displayed properly in Photoshop.

Without this update, the "Edit in PS" Lightroom command did at least offer an option to have LR render the adjustments into a bitmap, instead of having PS do it - which sidestepped the incompatibility of "process versions". However this did not work for the other methods available, including the useful option to open multiple LR images as layers of a PS document. Now with ACR6.7 those methods do work, at least in that the transferred image does not change appearance.

Importantly, though, this update (if the release candidate is any guide) probably does not add any ability for the ACR dialog to manipulate the new 2012 processing version. So it seems it would be entirely up to Lightroom to do that, unless / until one upgraded to CS6 and ACR7.

May 2, 2012permalink

PixelMover

No, ACR 6.7 is for Photoshop CS5(.5) and LR3.xx.
On the adobe site it clearly says so.
ACR7.0 is for LR4 and Photoshop CS6

May 2, 2012permalink

smatty

If they are taking this much time to fine tune the X-Pro 1 Raw converter, it must become incredibly good. And they probably include all the film JPG simulation modes at 100% Fuji accuracy, too.

... and then I woke up and realized it was only a dream ;)

May 2, 2012permalink

ZAnton

I assume it depends more on the Fuji programmers, than on the Adobe.

May 2, 2012permalink

PixelMover

...Been waiting for LR/ACR to recognize the Panasonic Film modes since I bought the LX3... still come out green instead of 'Dynamic B&W"...

May 2, 2012permalink

AJG

Elinas - winners and losers unfortunately - I'm a winner this time! Saves some money

May 2, 2012permalink

cxsparc

It is a pity that Adobe still thinks in CS release versions. Their intention is obvious, forcing people to buy a new major version after 2 years if a new camera has to be supported.
The only alternative to my knowledge is using the Raw to DNG converter and then open the DNG file in the old CS version.

May 2, 2012permalink

You haven't been following Adobe very closely. They're pushing "Creative Cloud" very hard and they're trying to motivate people out of retail apps. One thing Adobe has promised for Creative Cloud subscribers is continuous features and enhancements that break the version model that most software providers have used for decades. I'm dubious since frequent subscription app changes will put Adobe customers out of sync with each other, and I think Adobe will essentially be beta testing on the cloud subscribers. But Adobe wants you to abandon CS versions and become a subscriber.

May 2, 2012permalink

Elinas

Cool... so the day that they will decide to make Camera raw available for the Fuji X-Pro1, this means I will need to buy CS6...

May 2, 2012permalink

Robert Hoffman

Why screw around with these idiots, when C1 updates are free.

May 2, 2012permalink

CriticalI

Because C1 takes even longer to support new cameras...?

May 2, 2012permalink

Kevin Fitzsimons

So will Lightroom 3 get an update so I can use it for the Canon 5D III? If not, will LR4 work seamlessly with CS5 and the new update?

May 2, 2012permalink