Adobe adds Perspective Warp and 3D printing to Photoshop CC

nailed it!

@BaldCol .. never say never,a new CEO is all it could take..

To say that people who don't want to pay a monthly fee have "probably" pirated their software is "probably" false because you have no way of knowing this.

I needed the newer version of Lightroom so I went for the $10 a month deal. So far, I have to say I'm impressed at how much slower Photoshop 6 runs, compared to PS 5.

"the people crying about it probably pirated their version"

How braindead can you get? Firstly, legit software for a pro is a tax write-off. Second, Adobe has BOOSTED piracy with this renting model. They admit themselves they have done nothing to reduce it.

No' I wouldn't complain to the cost of CS7.
I don't need all tools from Adobe, so for me upgrade was about 40% of CC, and little more than CC for photographers.
I don't ask how much You spend on chocolate - it is not my problem. I don't accept any constant charges, because my "cashflow" is not constant.
Finally, the way that Adobe renews subscription is not acceptable to me, and it looks like the model taken from the least customer-friendly companies.
FYI, getting cracked CC is not a problem, even with last updates. But for some reason me, and many critics of "perpetual pay" model are not going use hacked CC - at least in a foreseeable future :)
Finally, I will be pleased if You could show me how pro photographer can benefit from 3d printing. And I will explain You, how pro photographer can benefit from eating chocolate.

That's great. So you're happy with that and it's of no real consequence what Adobe does with Photoshop.

So why does CC Pi*SS you off so much?

Adobe big for our money. And now blackmailing us - just pay cc
or get lost ...

This is BS about cracked software. This is to show them that subscription based sales are not the way future is going to be.
Imagine most people say it is a great way to get software and they start pouring money into subscription. I can guarantee that soon after everything else will turn into subscription model and soon you will realize you can't do anything on your computer if you don't pay every month.
You think i am exaggerating a bit? If adobe says the subscription model works beyond expectation and they make billions, I bet every one else will want to jump on board.

In previous years if you wanted to skip an iteration or two to save money - or if the new features didn't appeal - or if you simply could not afford an upgrade, you could. The subscription model takes away that choice. It also takes away the option of voting with your feet if prices suddenly jump - unless you want to abandon your existing investment.

Those Adobe customers who don't like this model for perfectly legitimate reasons are either permanently locked into using CS6 or seeking an alternative. Once you have bought into CC, there's no turning back [unless you have an older version of the software which ultimately will not work on new hardware.

Adobe used to be one of my favourite tech companies - very customer focused, reliable and offering great support. That changed quite a long time ago when the founders retired and the principal aim of the board became maximising profit above all else.

I am happy my employers are not subscribing - I hope this model fails.

jadot has got to be kidding or working for Adobe. The crack will be out in a week or so.

What? Would you like to repeat that using English so I can understand what you are trying to say?

Adobe właśnie tego chce aby się zamknąć i nie odzywać. Według Ciebie mamy schować głowę w piasek jak strusie? Są monopolistą i nie dają nam wyboru CS lub CC czyli zabierają narzędzia. :) Może ktoś to ładnie przetłumaczy na Angielski?

Google translator: Adobe wants to just shut up and not speak. According to you we have to hide your head in the sand like ostriches? They are a monopoly and do not give us a choice of CS or CC or take the tool. :) Can someone translate nicely into English?

Only if they are stored as photoshop documents and use extra features. But all the same, you could rent it for years and if you stop you have no program to show for it. At the least they could let you keep using whatever version you were currently on forever and simply just cut off future updates (at least so long as you had owned CS6 prior or, if not, then rented it for say three straight years).

Should be a Photoshop Reader program that will open and allow export of the files. Reader standalone programs were quite common in the olden days of software.

"your files are trapped without anyway of opening them". Why do poeple continue to peddle this untruth? The only files you will not be able to open are those saved in Adobe propriety formats, ie PSD. If you never use PSD you don't have a problem. If you do then all you need to do is convert the files before stopping your subscription.

Excuse the use of capitals in this post. Apparently whining always has to be done in FULL CAPS like a toddler. I'm just learning how to do it so here goes.

Goddamn automobiles. If I stop putting petrol in it, it stops working. I bought the thing, I want it to work forever. And I paid my satellite TV subscription last month, then the TV company wants more money this month. And if Amazon goes bust I'll lose all my Kindle books FOREVER. Wow, I'm really confused about all these different business models BUT IT MUST ALL BE SOMEONE ELSE's FAULT.

Personally, I'm very happy committing to Adobe for a good while. If I ever decide to move, I'll just export the PSDs. What is the problem? OH BUT THAT IS TOO DIFFICULT WAAAAH.

And wouldn't you rather upgrade to CS7 in a year or so and OWN it?

Standing up. I still don't like software rentals. I don't care what they add to it or what the rental price. And I don't yet see anything they've added that makes me miss CC one bit. And for those who also more than just PS this new model appears it would cost more than interleaved upgrading a partial suite and stand alone PS every few generations.

They can't add ANYTHING convincing enough to make me rent my software. In fact, the reason the introduce the rental model is that they KNOW the software is mature and they can't get people to keep upgrading. Same reason people are not buying new PCs. Their old ones do everything they need.

I am mixed on the subscription only model. I like that a subscription model allows them to develop functionality that may be extremely helpful to users, but might not help them sell a big update. With the cycle of selling new versions every 6 to 12 months broken, they can focus on real user related issues, not just what looks good on the the bullet points of the box. But at the same time this biz model removes control from the user to upgrade at a time or price that works for them. I wish Adobe would allow upgrade points for those who would prefer ownership to subscription.

Not everyone needs the latest and greatest or is interested in constantly having to upgrade computing power to handle such "all-everything" programs.

Your cable bill is 200$/month and you're ok with that?!
If you need a reality check, here it is: http://youtu.be/0ilMx7k7mso
Don't get me wrong, I'm not paying less; it doesn't mean I'm ok with that.
The Adobe subscription makes as much sense as your cable package deal

I am with you looks interesting & Most of the bad mouthers still live in their mom's basement and this is the only place they believe and wrongly I might add their small pecker opinions matter .. It's usually the same D wads saming stuff ..

There is a lot to like about Adobe Photoshop CC. It's a great application. It's just the Adobe money gouging that people are giving out about.

I'm a pro user who's stuck with Photoshop because for Mac there's nothing else that offers such sophisticated CMYK editing on a per-channel basis.
Photoshop for me was basically perfected at version 7 (2003), so I'd just upgrade to keep in line with hardware updates (usually every other version, or about £140 every two years, sometimes longer.)
The best deal I can find for Photoshop CC is the photographer's one, which is what? £8/month or so? That's about a 50% increase over 2 years, adding no features I need for my work. (I know I get Lightroom as well, but I wouldn't pay for Lightroom as a stand-alone). Last time I looked, my income didn't shoot up by 50% this year.

You can hardly call what they are doing money gouging. Is it a little more for some people? Yes, obviously so. Its very much worth it for me, because I so the whole suite and as much as they are updating everything, its a dream.
Prices do get raised sometimes tho, most photographers raise their prices fairly regularly.

Its just the cost of the huge adobe team maintaining and improving their product. I don't see how its a problem.

The problem is that that could have continued the old model but they switched to this one to make more money. Thats it, no user benefit just more money (probably because they saw less and less people were upgrading). Sure its relatively cheap but if they pull this off you can expect almost everyone to try follow. Suddenly you're renting the operating system, software, pc, home, car etc and there is no option to buy. Now you've become a slave of cosumerism

@JWilkinson Studios. You do know that the vast majority of the big team that you mention are in sales and marketing? No? Well, now you do.

You may have guessed that already from the rather limp new features that have appeared in many of their products over the past number of years.

That's been a problem for Adobe. Few important new features means fewer upgrades. That problem is solved by making you pay a recurring fee on a subscription.

I do like the Adobe creative suite I use (non subscription). But sometimes you feel you have to spell things out for the Adobe fanboys.

The new model not bringing any benefit is relative, they're rolled out an update week or so since i subscribed last year.

Same as any company? Adobe also has other services, specifically related to marketing. Thats probably more of the core of their business then software anyway.

Maybe I'm a fanboy, I don't really care. They put out a amazing product line that lets me do what I love. I expect them to do what it takes to stay in business and expand.
That's my goal with my business, I expect nothing less from another.

@attomole - you had a typo there "of the irrational hate" should be "of the rational hate".

@Just a Photographer - if so then why are they desperately extending the deals again and again and again?

There's one born every minute. The $9.99 deal is only good for a year, and then it goes to $19.99. P. T. Barnum was right. I will continue to use my CS6. It's more than enough.

Maybe because they're actually somewhat interested in giving people a good deal?

A supplier is in business as long as there are clients/customers to supply too. No customers, no suppliers. That's business model rule number 1. Everybody that purchases anything Adobe does from simple amateurs to corporations are Adobe's partner's. They should never forget that but like most quasi monopolistic corporations, they tend to do until they see important drops in their sales. Then they either adjust or die slowly.

"This model isn't going to change in your foreseeable future."

I'd bet you are wrong.

GaryJP: Good luck with that. Think it through - Adobe took YEARS to get to the subscription model they wanted and have ironed it out so it actually makes sense to professionals and companies. You think they are going to risk telling all of those customers that they now have to go back to buying a new license every 18-24 months?. If that appeals to you the option to stick with CS6 is already there. i.e. when CS7 would be released you'd have to pay to upgrade or moan that it's too expensive to get latest features. CC is here to stay

Michel F : Adobe does not have zero customers. It really is a minority that has complained about CC, but it's potentially the future of the majority of professional software. Customers are who a company sells a product to. If some customers stop buying the product others take their place. If they see drops in sales, they diversify. It's their product, and their business plan.

"People don't know what they want until they see it and use it" - Steve Job

"How do you want to do image manipulation with Lightroom?"
Like most who use it, I don't. I use it to develop, and lightly modify the images I work hard to capture.
Paint Shop Pro is more than adequate for the occasional manipulation.
YMMV, of course ;*)

Use Photoshop for some time and then you'll know why.

Because there are tons of basic photo processing things that LR can't do. LR isn't much more than ACR really. And for photo ingestion and initial sorting it's so deadly slow! It makes you render previews for everything! Other programs let you instantly zip right through and sort on the spot without waiting.

I ask the opposite question; Why use Lightroom when Bridge and Camera RAW can handle the same tasks of Digital Asset Management, RAW conversion and basic image processing as Lightroom, and Photoshop offers much greater image editing capabilities than LR?

PS and LR are tools, just like cameras lights and lenses, and each photographer has different need and requirement. So while Lightroom may be adequate for one, it won't meet the needs of others.

For wedding, portrait or other high volume photographers who need an efficient workflow, then LR may be the right tool. But for those who put a lot of effort into creating a small number of very complicated and creative images, efficient workflow is not an issue. Instead, they need the capabilities of Photoshop more than they need the efficient workflow of Lightroom.