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Samsung NX30 Review

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As the compact camera market continues to decline, Samsung has focused its efforts on mirrorless cameras, and recent models such as the NX300 show that the Company's products are quite competitive. Samsung's latest flagship mirrorless - the NX30 - is arguably its most enthusiast-oriented camera yet.

The NX30 uses the same 20 megapixel, Samsung-designed CMOS sensor and Hybrid AF system as the compact NX300, and puts it into an SLR-style body, with a built-in electronic viewfinder and generous hand grip. Some of the biggest changes from the NX20 that came before it include a pull-out, tilting EVF, higher quality Super AMOLED display, improved video capabilities, and even more Wi-Fi features.

Samsung NX30 key features

  • 20.3 megapixel CMOS sensor with support for on-chip phase detection AF
  • Hybrid AF system has 105 phase-detect points and 247 contrast-detect points
  • DRIMeIV image processor
  • Tilting, XGA electronic viewfinder pulls away from the camera and tilts upward by 80 degrees
  • Improved fully-articulating 3-inch Super AMOLED display
  • More customizable buttons, plus dedicated drive mode dial
  • 9 fps burst mode
  • 1080/60p video recording with 'dual IS', mic input, and audio level adjustment
  • Uncompressed HDMI output at 30 fps
  • Wi-Fi with NFC
  • 'Smart Camera 3.0' features include improved remote shooting, 'Group Share', and baby monitor
  • Includes Adobe Lightroom 5

While both cameras have SLR-style bodies and fully articulating displays, the NX30 has little else in common with the NX20 that came before it. It's taller and wider, though thinner, thanks to a refined grip design. This grip - along with the thumb rest on the rear - make the NX30 more comfortable to hold. As you'll see later, the NX30 also comes with a new power zoom 16-50mm kit lens.

Perhaps the most significant design change is the NX30's new pull-out, tilting electronic viewfinder. In order to tilt the EVF, you must pull it away from the camera body (from our experience with a pre-production camera we found it a bit too easy to accidentally push back in). Once that's done, the viewfinder can tilt upward as much 80 degrees, similar to the EVF on the Panasonic GX7. In terms of resolution, the NX30's EVF has 2.36 million dots.

The display on the NX30 has also been improved upon compared to the NX20. While it's still 3" in size and fully articulating, it's now 'Super AMOLED', with a resolution of 1.03 million-dot equiv. (vs 614k on the NX20). Samsung points out that this display uses an S-Stripe pixel layout, rather than PenTile. The Company also touts a 33% improvement in brightness compared to its predecessor.

The 'guts' of the camera are considerably different, with Samsung leveraging other divisions of the company. The DRIMeIV processor uses a single-core, 800Mhz Cortex-A9 processor, as well as a SGX540 GPU, which are similar to what you'd find inside a lower-end smartphone these days.

The video features on the NX30 are competitive with higher-end mirrorless cameras. It can record movies at 1080/60p with stereo sound and dual (optical + electronic) image stabilization. The camera sports a mic input, and manual audio level adjustment. Enthusiasts will be pleased to know that the NX30 can output uncompressed video over HDMI at 30p.

One nice extra is that Samsung is throwing in a copy of Lightroom 5, at least in the USA and Europe.

Smart Camera 3.0

Samsung was really the pioneer of Wi-Fi-enabled cameras, and its 'smart camera' lineup is now in its third generation. Notably, if you're using a compatible smartphones you'll be able to take advantage of the NX30's NFC feature, which allows you tap the devices together to share photos.

A new Remote Viewfinder Pro app offers further control over exposure and camera settings compared to previous versions of the software.

Other features include AutoShare (which transmits photos to mobile devices as they are taken), MobileLink (sends a photo to four devices at once), and tighter Dropbox integration. The NX30 can also serve as a baby monitor (or surveillance camera) - something we haven't seen before, for better or worse.


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danieladougan

The pull out EVF is a GREAT IDEA for video shooters, especially those using some sort of stabilization arm, brace, shoulder mount, etc. This makes much more sense than the tilting EVF on the Panasonic GX7.

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HowaboutRAW

It's nice, though the EVF could be better in low light. I'm sure Samsung has the technology.

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HowaboutRAW

Timmbits:

The Canon only has a decent lens, whereas, and I know you know this, several Samsung NX lenses are excellent and a couple are extraordinary.

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Timmbits

Don't want a swivel-out screen (I prefer the vertical pivot type), don't want the larger size, don't want the nx300's buffer lockup.
I've waited a long time for this camera, and now I'm just learning to love my NX20 just the way it is.

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HowaboutRAW

And this buffer is a bitter faster than the NX300.

Also this is a bit better at high ISOs than the NX300.

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Timmbits

I'm at the point where I am about to say "fnck this sh!t" and just get the new Canon G1Xii. Something practical, compact, almost APS, with a good lens, and I don't have to worry about buffer lock ups (although it is much slower) nor worry about switching lenses.

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HowaboutRAW

Tim:

The Canon G1XII only has a decent lens. Isn't anywhere near as good as the NX30 at higher ISOs.

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Timmbits

Raw:
I really do not like to use high ISOs. I hate it in fact. I am more interested in how they would compare at between 100-800. Over that I'm just not interested.

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HowaboutRAW

Timmbits:

The Canon only has a decent lens, whereas, and I know you know this, several Samsung NX lenses are excellent and a couple are extraordinary.

So the point is that the Samsung has this lens advantage across all ISOs.

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Timmbits

some Samsung lenses aren't that good as well (as for many makers). sold off almost all my lenses. now I only have the 30mm f2 and the 45mm f1.8 (which I hardly use). it is kind of like having a Fuji X100whateverversiontheyareatnow only better I believe, as I prefer the 30mm and the samsung sensor is more detailed than xtrans.
so I am faced with either buying their nice bright zoom they just introduced
http://www.dpreview.com/products/samsung/lenses/samsung_16_50_2-2p8_ois
or for the same price, the Canon.
I like the lens better, but I like the Canon format and size too.
I cannot justify both (but I am certainly not going to get a bloated nx30 to replace my nicely designed nx20).

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HowaboutRAW

Tim:

right, not all Samsung NX lenses are excellent, but you've named/have some excellent ones.

that new fast NX zoom is optically extraordinary, but heavy, big, and not inexpensive.

yes the Canon is small and mostly compact. but what about the Sony RX100III, or the Ricoh GR, or the Nikon CoolPix A, or the rumored Panasonic LX8? Or for more money, and APSC, the Leica X-Vario? Bet Fuji comes out with a bigger sensored compact, and the X20 is a already very good.

The NX30 is far from "bloated" it's just not significantly bigger than the NX20 and the menus are pretty much the same.

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Timmbits

HAR: Why would I want a RicohGR or NikonA when, for the same size and lower price there is the NX20+30mm?

The characteristics of the Canon G1Xii are simply very interesting to anyone who likes the NikonA, RicohGR, FujiX100s form factor and as a more flexible replacment to them. I think they are obsoleted by the G1Xii.

As for the RX100, I dislike the ergonomics - (or "no-styling", ie emulating the ugly vanilla Canon powershot 100).

But I think the RX100 still has it's place, and will happily coexist with the G1Xii, depending on whether you want more zoom, or a brighter lens with a bigger sensor.

It is nice to have choices.

I see a nice pair comprised of the G1X and Fuji's upcoming replacement for the X-S1 as a nice pair to own, and never fuss with changing lenses or buying extra lenses.

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HowaboutRAW

Timmbits:

The Ricoh GR is a bit smaller, no evf, than the NX20 with the 30mm lens.

There's also the Samsung NXmini, like the Ricoh GR no evf. The NXmini probably has a somewhat better sensor than the Sony RX100III, though I'm only looking at the high ISO capacity. The NXmini's kitzoom is good, the 9mm not so great, I've not been able to try the 17mm yet.

The Canon G1XII just doesn't have a lens that would attract me.

Fuji and Panasonic will probably both ship large sensored compacts in the fall. The raws I've seen from the Pana FZ1000 look really good.

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Timmbits

Found a good review on the G1Xii...
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/canon-g1x-ii/canon-g1x-ii-shooters-report.htm

I think I'll shut up about it now. :-/

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HowaboutRAW

Timmbits:

I think it a good camera, just not great, and the lens isn't up to the best from say the mirrorless lines of Fuji, Panasonic, Samsung and Olympus, or Leica to be complete (and frankly of course the Nikon 1 system has some very good, not extraordinary, lenses).

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Timmbits

yup, I am beginning to realize that, reading the reviews and feedback.

the most fun camera I ever owned was a Fuji X-S1. just so versatile! so maybe there is a FZ1000 or a RX10 in my future, along with an RX100iv for when I don't want to lug that around. what would I do with my NX20 though?

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Usee

The NX30 is really what it should be...

...the replacement in the Samsung lineup for the NX20...

...and it fills this place very well, for those,
who like that form factor of a camera.

Those who want a differnt form factor have the NX 300,
or the NX3000, or the NX mini etc... to choose from:

It is obviously not meant to fill all needs for everyone,
which is impossible any way... ;-)

-

The NX1 will fill the yet unfilled gap of a pro camera:

http://photorumors.com/2014/05/24/samsungs-flagship-mirrorless-camera-nx1-to-be-announced-at-photokina/

So, everyone can find the right solution for his personal needs...
...amongst Samsung cameras, or a different brand...
...if one is aware of it's own needs.

I love compact lightweight lenses with outstanding IQ and ergonomic camera bodys... :-)

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HowaboutRAW

Let's hope that if the NX1 exists it does NOT run Android in the manner of the Galaxy NX. That's a disaster in many situations.

Also Samsung would need more than just an NX1 body to attract attention; Samsung needs exciting FF lenses.

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tecnoworld

If that rumor is true and finally samsung embraces the rangefinder form factor as the more succesful competitors have done from the beginning, finally I'll also be satisfied.

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Usee

@ HowaboutRAW

First there has to be a (FF) body, which enables the user to mount big and heavy FF (tele-) (zoom-) lenses...

...such a body will require a big, ergonomic grip to use them free hand in a proper way.

Samsung has fortunately shown, that they can build very good leight weight lenses, which may help to reduce the (for ergonomic reasons) needed size of the body.

I seldom use my (via Canon - NX adaptor mounted) third party lenses, simply because of their weight and size, which is unsuited (unbalanced), for the slim NX 1000 body...

...you would need at least the body of a NX20, or NX30, to use them properly.

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HowaboutRAW

Usee:

But I didn't say anything about weight or handling. I only really commented on the failure of Android in the Galaxy NX.

I assume an NX1 body would be at least a bit bigger than the NX30's and the NX30 already makes handling bigger lenses easy enough.

Screw a small ball tripod head into the base of the NX1000, and you'll get better handling.

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Usee

HaRAW:

Yes,

that is why I hinted at that point, which is crucial, if someone is thinking about FF lenses - like you did.

A sluggish software overhead (with Android or smth.) is something one should really avoid in conjunction with a (work horse) pro camera, anyway.

Good that you reminded that point!

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HowaboutRAW

Usee,

Have you handled a NX30 with say that fast f/2.0-2.8 16-50mm lens?

My point is that I think Samsung would consider this problem with an hypothetical NX1 and lenses.

Let's hope that Android is just a false rumor. Even the extra start up time would be a problem with an NX1, even if the menus ran like an normal NX body.

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Timmbits

Not wanting a different form factor!
Just not wanting a mirrorless to be as large as a DSLR!
NX20 was a better size for a mirrorless.

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tecnoworld

Just a consideration from the data here on DPR:

NX30 -> 15 I own, 69 I want, 11 I had
A6000 -> 261 I own, 152 I want, 22 I had

That's a huge difference. I don't say that DPR can be considered a reference for the market, but for sure it's not totally different as well. Market penetration of NX compared to other mirrorless systems is tiny (NX30 market share less than 6% of that of A6000).

I'm curious to see, if they finally make a rangefinder NX1 as rumores, if things are going to change and improve (I guess so).

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HowaboutRAW

But no one disputes that Sony has a bigger market share in still cameras than Samsung.

A lot of people sure showed up for the DSLR trade-in with Samsung. That means people are paying attention to Samsung and still cameras.

In the USA and Europe, Sony has been a significant presence in consumer electronics for 40+ years. And Sony has made camera sensors for at least 25 years.

Sony has made significant commitments to still cameras over the last 12 years. And Sony has been the video cameras maker for 45. Sony also makes full framed DSLRs and APSC DSLRs.

So it's no surprise that Sony still cameras attract more attention than Samsung's.

But look at TVs and smartphones, and in TV Sony used to be the leader.

Then look at music players (and yes I understand that the sound quality of iPods is horrid), but the idea that Apple is the market leader and Sony is nowhere is a joke.

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tecnoworld

My take is that samsung is less interesting for mirrorless adopters, for its shape (most want slimmer humpless rangefinder alike cameras) and for the lack of an outstanding featured body (as noted also in thisnreview). Nx1 can correct both flaws.

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HowaboutRAW

tec:

But there are many Oly and Pana mirrorless without a rangefinder-like VF at the left side of the back. There are also of course Leica and Samsung mirrorless bodies without the fake mirror box--albeit some of the Leicas use permanently mounted lenses and have the option of external EVFs and only one Samsung takes an external EVF.

The problem with the rumored full framed Samsung NX1 would be having enough good lenses. Unlike with the NX mini Samsung can't expect much attention if the NX1 launched with just one or two good lenses.

As I know you realize, rangefinders don't work well for those people who primarily use their left eye to focus and aim a camera.

It's pure speculation, but that's my guess as to why Samsung avoids rangefinder style mirrorless bodies.

Of course Samsung could release an NX400 with an external EVF, but that EVF would likely mount in the centre--like the EVF on the Leica T or NX100+a variety of Oly and Panasonic mirrorless bodies.

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tecnoworld

I read a lot of comments of even left eyed shooters that prefer rangefinder anyway. And the most successfull aps-c mirrorless cameras, for now, are fuji x and sony nex.

Samsung should at least try and release one high end rangefinder body. My take is that it would sell more than all the 'fake' dslr styled ones put together.

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

I don't know any left eyed shooters, I'm sure it's possible to learn to shoot with the other eye but then that's something new to learn.

For right now, the Fuji APSC mirrorless rangefinders all have problems, even the XE2. So that leaves Sony for APSC mirrorless, but with very problematic lenses. And those Sony lenses motivate a serious look at Panasonic, Leica, Samsung and Olympus for mirrorless. (Or one can use the very very audible Sony A7/r. But of course the Sony A7 is shaped like a DSLR body.)

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tecnoworld

You are right, but that proves my theory. Those bodies, even with the problems you mentioin, sell terribly well, since they are shaped that way. Look at how bad the a3000 did on the market. That's mainly caused by the shape dslr alike and the same goes for nx30.

My idea is that market is basically divided in three. Those looking for a dslr (and those would not choose a mirrorless anyway) those looking for a mirrorless (and the reason is usually size and weight, and those would prefer a rangefinder) and those who just look for a good camera, and most of them will end with choosing a canikon.

So you have more possibilities if you sell a rangefinder alike camera.

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

But then the Fuji XT1, Olympus EM1 (and many more Olympuses) and the Panasonic GH3 wouldn't do well.

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tecnoworld

Pana gh3 is not doing so well as, say, pana gx7, at least judging on the enthusiasm raised by the latter.

Gx7: 327 I own it
Gh3: 126 I own it

And the gx7 is much younger.

Both x-t1 and oly are a bit different story. They are, at present, the highest end you can buy in, respectively, aps-c mirrorless and m4/3. And they are quite stylish even if they have the central hump. They wouldn'd do as well if they were average performing products like nx30 is, according to dpr review.

I'm totally conviced that a rangefinder from samsunis overdue and the fact that the new nx3000 is so similar to the nx300, makes me hope that a future nx400 will finally have an embedded evf in a corner, considering that today, even premium p&s cameras feature it.

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Usee

Sometimes it happened, that even before a camera was available, some on dpreview voted, that they own it, or even that they had it.

Beside, that maybe GH3 and GH4 user have better things to do (filming) than messing around on dpreview and placing a comment.

The demand for the GH4, which has the same form factor than the GH3 was underestimated by Panasonic and caused delivery problems.

If you are totally convinced about something,
there is not much to discuss - isn't it?
No room for diplomacy, for pacifism?

I also would love a pop up EVF on a compact camera.
Therefore I considered the RX100 III, however, I had the NX mini in my hands and that made me think, which one to buy,
because the NX mini is half the price - with pop up EVF, it were probably more expensive.

I doubt, that you would be satisfied, if the price is also taken into the equation in comparisons with range finder style cameras and the NX1 - even it it were a well build, nice looking, range finder style camera.

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

But in some respects the NX30 out performs both the Olympus EM1 and the Fuji X-T1. The Samsung is better at higher ISOs. Has optically better lenses than the Fuji. Of course does better video than the Olympus.

For styling and weather sealing no. But the Samsung is a bit less expensive.

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tecnoworld

I know, but ppl on the market for those cameras make a lot of attention to style and look, as an added bonus to iq. And many won't buy a samsung unless it's clearly superior and has better aestethics.

A friend of mine, on the market for a smaller camera than his dslr, after seeing my nx300 and a nx30 in a shop, decided to go for the a6000, since it's as small and light as the nx300, has the evf, much faster operations and higher mp count. I tried to explain that in the long run he'll spend more for the lenses, but he, as most, gave more importance to the body.

If nx300 had been rangefinder like a6000, perhaps he'd buy it, since he wanted the evf in that kind of body.

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arbuz

Compare prices. Sony released A6000 a lot cheaper thans Samung its NX30. And properly so. Samsung should reconsider their camera pricing policies.

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HowaboutRAW

arbuz:

The Samsung NX30 will drop in price. The NX30 has a better kit lens. And there are other Samsung lens advantages over the A6000. (Not even the 24mm SonyZeiss comes real close to the best Samsung has to offer.)

And I like the A6000 body well enough.

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tecnoworld

The price drop is not a right advantage. Samsung must understand that they NEED to compete on prices and NOT offer cameras on par or lower than others at higher prices. This way they'll never succeed.

E.g. I paid 570€ for my nx300, in april 2013. Since feb 2014 it costs about 350€. Instead of dropping it 35-40% in less than one year, they should lauch cameras at 20% less than they do and then drop it 20% in one year, as others do. Much betr price politicy.

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Timmbits

"nx30 is less than 6% of that of the a6000"
where do you get those stats from?
Your store?

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

Yes, that lens kind of shames anything from Canon for image quality. But heavy.

Instead of a better zoom, Samsung could do a fast 135mm telephoto.

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D1N0

It's already being dumped on iBood.nl for €549,95 (including kitlens).

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HowaboutRAW

What was the suggested retail when if first released in Europe?

Is iBood.nl a reputable online retailer?

It remains a very good ASPC sensor, camera body, video camera. The kit lens is good. The buffer is a bit slow.

In the USA a month ago it could be had for $800+state sales tax. But it's back up around $950.

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D1N0

It's suggested retail price is €999,-. The retailers have decided on €829,- Ibood is a site with one day offers. It mainly sells over stocked en refurbished stuf (this was not refurbished).

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HowaboutRAW

D1N0:

So that means that IBood is not a particularly serious web retailer--not a fraud or anything, but very hit or miss.

I just looked at ISO 2000, and above, raws shot with the Sony A5000 and A6000, using the 24mm f/1.8 SonyZeiss. The A5000 is not really useable above ISO 6400 and there were further problems.

With a good lens, in this case the fast+big 16-50mm, the Samsung NX30 produces significantly better image quality at ISO 3200 than these Sony examples with a very good Nex/A lens.

The colour, noise control, and sharpness are all better with the Samsung+the expensive zoom than the Sony with the SonyZeiss. These are my own raws, shot under nearly the same lighting.

Frankly I'm surprised that the A5000 with a good lens doesn't easily better the NX30 for higher ISOs, but nope.

The bigger surprise was the better colour from the Samsung lens.

Right, Samsung NX bodies do drop in price, not so much the good NX lenses though.

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D1N0

I think the a6000 blows this out of the water IQ-wise

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HowaboutRAW

D1NO:

Not from the raws I have, in fact, the A6000 has fairly serious problems (the A5000 too). And remember I wasn't simply using the crappy kit zoom on the Sonys. I was using $1000 lens.

Now, the A6000 has a much higher sustained frame rate and a better buffer than the Samsung.

I'm not simply basing my conclusions on some online posting.

I was indeed surprised that with a good lens the Sonys didn't do better images.

I wouldn't call the Sony A6000 a disaster, but there are many better mirrorless choices for image quality--the Fuji XT1 also springs to mind. So too of course the Samsung NX300, then for lower ISOs there's the Oly EM1 or the Panasonic GX7, or the Ricoh GXR. (And of course the Sony Nex 5.)

Now what I didn't do with the Sonys is shoot raws at ISO 400 and below, nor do I have raws from the NX30 shot with an extraordinary lens from Samsung at or below ISO 400.

Perhaps with that SonyZeiss lens the Sony A6000 can do some magic at ISO 320.

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arbuz

@D1N0 - you think based on what?

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D1N0

based on the iq comparison tool on this website. Also DXO-mark rates the sony higher. The samsung clearly has less detail at base iso.

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HowaboutRAW

D1N0:

So not a real serious source and not one that uses particularly good lenses.

Now as I said, at base ISO the Sonys' performance may improve.

But you can't really make that claim, for either the Sonys or the Samsung, without accounting for the lenses.

It's best to avoid drawing strong conclusions about image quality based on kit lens (the Samsung's is better) DPR studio samples.

The fact remains that at reasonably high ISOs, with very good lenses on both, the Samsung is better for colour, noise and sharpness. Now the SonyZeiss 24mm--perhaps that was a bad sample.

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D1N0

So when a source is in favour of Sony it must be wrong obviously. In that way you can always be right. I waste my time discussing with the likes of you.

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HowaboutRAW

D1N0:

No, I'm basing my conclusions on having tested both the Sony A5000 and A6000 with a very good lens.

That's significantly different than what you claim.

You based your conclusions on very very limited samples, done with not great lenses--for either system, Sam or Sony.

And as I already noted: I was surprised that Sony's A cameras, with a very good lens mounted, didn't do better.

In fact if higher image quality and better high ISOs are important this point is far from a waste of time.

You read like a person who can't let go of being a fan of one particular camera maker (Sony here), it's not a position that's good to claim as your own.

And my liking of Samsung lenses and sensors, for shooting raw, is significantly different than fandom, in that I'm basing my points on having used the lenses and bodies. (And I rarely defend the buffer on Samsung NX cameras or 200mm Samsung NX zooms.)

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arbuz

D1N0 - A6000 is slightly better, maybe 1/3 of a stop. If you compare A6000 ISO 3200 to NX ISO 1600 you can easily say NX is better. If there is less then 1 stop difference no one should say anything about blowing out of water.

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tecnoworld

One thing in favour of what howaboutraw is saying. Since when I'm using the new premium 16-50 f2-2.8 lens, the images from my nx300 have dramatically improved. It's a super fast focusing lens, with great iq at any aperture. Even better than most of the primes I have (probably just the 85\1.4 can clearly beat it, iq wise, but it's slow focusing).

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HowaboutRAW

tecnoworld:

That 16-50 zoom is what I was trying on the NX30, and the Zeiss on the two Sonys just couldn't keep up with image quality or noise control.

Frankly, I was surprised.

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tecnoworld

I agree here. The 16-50 s really enhances the shooting experience on nx. I showed it to a friend owning a canon 5d mk2 and he even was surprised of fast af and great iq. Plus at 16mm this lens is the fastest of its kind, for an aps-c camera.

If only it were 200gr lighter, it'd be my always on lens.

Now we need an equally good 50-150mm f2.8 to complement it and, as I always hope, an outstanding body with huge buffer and top level dr and high iso to go with them (better with a gorgeous amoled evf ala x-t1).

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

Yes, that lens kind of shames anything from Canon for image quality. But heavy.

Instead of a better zoom, Samsung could do a fast 135mm telephoto.

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tecnoworld

I'm realizing just now how handy is a fast high quality zoom when compared to prime leness. Till now, I always used slow or low quality zoom, hence my preference for prime lenses, but the 16-50 is such a good lens, that even the primes, as good as they are, are often left home.

My ideal setup for a travel, now, would be:
1) 10mm fisheye pancake
2) 30mm prime OR 45mm prime
3) 16-50mm S zoom
4) 50-200 zoom

that's little more than 1KG of total weight, to add to the body of NX300 (300gr). Not so bad overall. I'd be glad to exchange 50-200 with a 50-150 (or even 70-150) f2.8, at the same level of the 16-50. I know it would be heavier, but the 50-200 is not really high quality as other NX lenses.

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arbuz

@tecno - same with me, just with NX30 for EVF and better buffer. However I know I'd take 45 not 30mm pancake, as zoom is still bright at 30mm so not much difference to not so fast focusing 30mm pancake. I could consider it for its small size but probebly take 45mm anyway.

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tecnoworld

The nx30 has slightly better buffer capacity, but still subpar with most (eg a6000) and the same applies to evf compared to x-e2, x-t1, em1 or a7.

Plus I don't like the shape, so I'll patiently wait....I hope that samsung realizes that there is big interest for rangefinder cameras (see a6000) and for high end ones (see x-t1) and packs those concepts in nx1 as soon as possible at a reasonable price.

The a6000 is a monster when it comes to continuous af while shooting. I tested it and put my nx300 to shame even with the best performing lenses. That's up to the bodies, and samsung must work hard on this as well.

Finger crossed :)

P.s. I tend to agree about 30 vs 45. The latter doubles as a poor man's portrait lens, while the former doesn't. And I would never bring the 85mm with me, when I travel :)

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

You do remember that there's no Olympus EM1 in a rangefinder style.

Just saying that I think someone at Samsung has made the conscious decision, like Olympus, to stick with the SLR shape.

Do your eyes polarize light? I ask because of the rainbows you report seeing in the NX30's EVF. I only ever see rainbows in flatscreens if I'm wearing polarized sunglasses.

Right the buffer on the NX30 is nothing special, but Samsung lenses are so much better than Nex lenses there's a real reason to go with Samsung unless you know you want to shoot sports with your APSC mirrorless.

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tecnoworld

I never thought about the polarizing issue....for sure I'm more affected by the rainbow issue than most ppl, and the same goes for low refresh rates (I remember noticing everying below 100hz-120hz in crt monitors, while ppl were usually satisfied with 50+). Perhaps my perception is just a bit more enhanced than average? Dunno...

Anyway you're right about olympus, but look at the interest raised by the a6000 and before that, by nex or fuji rangefinder cameras. I think ppl looking for a smaller than dslr camera, on average, will prefer this shape compared to mini dslr style. Samsung should at least put on the market a premium model shaped like this, to see if that's enough to enhance sales (and I guess it would).

I agree on the lenses, but sony is open to third party ones and that's a plus in the long run.

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arbuz

After yusuing NX300 for a while I see how viefinder would have been useful. It's a good capable camera but I see many people looking for EVF version. I don't need many improvements, but EVF + faster AF (esp tracking AF) + better high ISO would be welcome. I am fine in lens department, just need to add upcoming 50-150 and I'm 99% covered.

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tecnoworld

That's exactly the point that I've expressed for many months. Most users don't need/want a bulkier camera for having the evf. They (we) want a camera in a form similar to nx300 but with evf in it.

Sony showed that's possible to have this, in a small body with ultra fast af and great iq. And this camera, the a6000, has many heads turned towards it! Much more than any samsung camera ever did.

Nx needs to be appealing. Most ppl look at bodies, before looking at lenses and nx30 simply is not appealing enough.

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HowaboutRAW

tecnoworld:

Yes, I think if you're seeing 60hertz refreshes on CRTs, then something is enhanced about the nerves connecting your eyes to your brain.

I have nothing against Samsung or Olympus shipping a rangefinder style body, all I was saying is that that those two companies appear to have made a conscious decision to go another direction.

Fuji's X rangefinders have had some deficiencies, the XE2 with no EVF switch, the XPro1 and XE1 with bad video and bad auto focus, various X100 problems. (Of course Fuji can fix these things, and the XT1 is a good start, but not a rangefinder.)

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tecnoworld

I agree, no camera is perfect right now. A6000 is near perfect, but is missing touch screen and has average quality evf. X-e2 is good, but has low res sensor compared to most competitors. The first player with a 'great' rangefinder camera with all the features of nx300 (for touch screen and lenses) a6000 (for dr, af, speed, buffer and form factor) and x-e2 (for evf) wins big time, imo.

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HowaboutRAW

tecnoworld:

There is of course the Panasonic GX7.

Not as great at higher ISOs, but very good lenses and a lot of other things.

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tecnoworld

True. Would probably be my #1 choice now, if I hadn't so many (good) nx lenses. But the slight downgrade in iq disturbs me.

I still hope that samsung realizes that there is a big market for rangefinder mirrorless cameras, and does that using a new sensor and finally implementing a good af and a good buffer.

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

There's no downgrade in image quality with the GX7 if you shoot with the PanaLeica lenses at ISO 1600 and below.

Then there are very very good Panasonic and Olympus lenses for the GX7.

It's not a great kitzoom on the Panasonic GX7--but better than the A6000's kitzoom.

Of course at some point Samsung will introduce a new APSC sensor, but today in June 2014, that sensor in the NX30 challenges both the A5000 and A6000 for image quality and higher ISOs.

Helping with the NX30 versus the Sony As for IQ are Samsung's best lenses, which are optically better than Sony's best Nex lenses--including the various Zeisses.

(The Touits aren't great, and the Sony Zeiss can't keep up with Samsung, or PanaLeica for that matter. Haven't tried the Sigmas. And there's supposed to be a good Sony 50mm.)

0 upvotes
FiveForm

Where's the Sony a6000 review??? That was announced and available well over a month in advance of this camera.....

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HowaboutRAW

May 29, 2014

According to Wikipedia the A6000 was announced in February 2014. (It's only been on display in stores in the US since midMay. However it was on sale before being regularly displayed.)

The NX30 was announced in Jan 2014, and has been in stores, and on display, for months.

2 upvotes
Lassoni

I maybe be wrong, but the NX300 seems to pack more sharpness

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Maybe the lens used matters far more.

3 upvotes
tecnoworld

They have exactly the same hw inside, so that could be due to sample variation and/or lens.

Both have good sharpness, and the old nx200 was even a bit better than both due to seemingly lower aa filter.

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Franka T.L.

That 20MP Senor now seems finally delivering the performance on par with others in most area. That DR however looks still a bit challenged

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HowaboutRAW

You're looking at DPReview samples shot with the kit zoom, right?

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Franka T.L.

am looking at both the samples and the data charted ( RAW )

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HowaboutRAW

Franka T.L.

And which lens was used?

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zinsavage123

Good ol' Samsung. This one is pretty decent from what I hear though.

1 upvote
Thatcannonguy

Where is this a copy from ?

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tecnoworld

Any dslr (non mirrorless), as far as external look is concerned. This was already true for nx5\10\11\20, but this one is really identical to any dslr :)

Samsung's own nx300, for the internal hardware.

Gx7 for the evf.

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Usee

It has a screen and rounded edges...

...it must be a copy of a iPhone!

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ThePhilips

That deserves an extra comment.

The panel showing recently changed camera settings - very very very cool and needs to find its way into more cameras.

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Black Box

We've seen ALL kinds of names for image processors. Suffox, Bionz X (Gosh! Doesn't Japanese Word warn them it's difficult to pronounce?), Expeed, DIGIC... Now "DRY ME FOUR"? For crying out loud, hire an ENGLISH SPEAKING marketing company already!

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stevens37y

You've lost the pill?

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HowaboutRAW

BB:

Samsung is Korean.

How hard is it to pronounce "drim", or if you like "dri-me"?

Those other examples are easy enough to pronounce in English.

Also: There are other markets than the English speaking world.

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Black Box

I know Samsung is Korean. I was talking about the Bionz X which belongs to Sony which is a Japanese company. Either read slower or pay attention.

There ARE other markets, but they're definitely targeting the English speaking audience. And I'm not criticizing how hard it is to pronounce. I'm saying it's silly and useless.

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HowaboutRAW

Black Box:

“Suffox, Bionz X”, preceding Japanese in parentheses with “difficult to pronounce” enclosed in those parentheses , followed by “Expeed, DIGIC..” Followed by complaints about Samsung’s name for their processor more than suggests that Samsung is Japanese.

I’m sure indeed you know that Samsung is Korean.

Just as I’m sure that you’ve not clearly expressed yourself at all.

Look: it’s not like I’ve never garbled the meaning of a comment here, so see what you implied and move on.

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monkeybrain

The use of English by Asian companies is no indication they are targeting the English-speaking market. English words or words that sound English, sometimes mangled, are often used to convey a sense of prestige etc or maybe because the word just sounds nice. Canon markets the 'Rebel' line in Japan under the 'Kiss' name for instance when they could just use Japanese. It goes both ways, with Western companies using Japanese-sounding brands.

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Healthseeker

Black Box:
Why? What does it matter?

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ThePhilips

Good review. Thanks.

Sad to see that with NX cameras it is still better to shoot in RAW and develop JPEG elsewhere. Otherwise, NX30 packs lots of nice features.

Nice to see that Samsung now cooperates with Adobe on RAW support, but unfortunate that there are no 3rd party AF lenses for the NX.

P.S. A camera which doesn't require a proprietary USB cable!? Is that even possible?! /s

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Lassoni

I maybe be wrong, but the NX300 seems to pack more sharpness

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Loring von Palleske

I think you will find that the micro USB cable used in the NX is indeed an industry standard cable. Not proprietary at all. I can use the same cable that I charge my cell phone (Samsung), my bluetooth earpiece (plantronics), my usb hub, my GPS etc...

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cgarrard

Same tired sensor won't do it these days if the end goal is higher camera sales than in the past. It's pretty much a guaranty that IQ should be improved on new camera models these days if that is the goal. JPEG and RAW both disappoint for a camera of this price and class it competes in. Samsung make some very promising ideas happen, they just need to address each weakness one by one and get them to be strengths. Unless they are happy with mediocre camera sales of course, then they really aren't doing anything wrong here.

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HowaboutRAW

It's an excellent sensor.

And indeed improves upon the NX300 a bit.

Far more important: Do you have raws from it? I do. And the ones shot with the 16-50mm f/2.0-2.0 are amazing.

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Usee

Same tired sensors in several Canon, Sony etc. cameras...
...what was their end goal - what do you think?

Have a look at DxO:

http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Olympus-OM-D-E-M10-versus-Samsung-NX-30-versus-Canon-EOS-700D___937_931_870

...or download some RAWs and develop them NOT with standard settings, then you will probably see, that the sensor isn't really tired, despite it is similar to the one in the NX1000:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2331009/nx1000hsli03200-silkypix-downsized-to-16-mp-for-comparison

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2374594/15mp-equiv-4704-pixel-width-12-24-zoom-nx1000

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2368724/nx1000_15mm_-23mm-10mp-adobergb

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/4164548502/photos/2552935/samsung_45mm-3d-f1-8-full-width-15-mp-equiv-_acdseepro6-adobergb

And you will see, that the quality of the Samsung lenses is something, that has to be reached by the competition.

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HowaboutRAW

Usee:

Yes, I realize you're addressing the OP:

In fairness to Sony (and Pentax with the K3); Sony has introduced new APSC sensors. Those can be found in the A5000 and A6000.

Unfortunately for Sony most of the native lenses for that system just aren't very good.

(Yes I know there are some SonyZeiss, Zeiss and Sigma exceptions, but none of those come with a basic kit. Whereas even the not spectacular kit zoom with the NX30 is more than decent. I imagine you realize most of this. I just wanted to acknowledge Sony's new sensors.)

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Usee

Yes,

I was addressing the OP and I also realized, that Sony and Canon have introduced new sensors recently...

...but they (including Pentax, Nikon, Fuji 16 MP APS and the 4/3 for Panasonic and Olympus) used the same sensors (16 MP / 18 MP) for a similar time span, than Samsung used it's 20 MP sensor...

...and Samsung made slight improvements during that time span - so, why pick Samsung out of the bunch and blaming them?

As you also hinted at:

A good sensor without a good (and affordable) lens is wasted potential and not worth the money and bigger RAW files.

-

Whatever one choses, it is good to have more than one choice!

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tecnoworld

Cgarrard: that's exactly my point, and what you say is true especially for a non recognized brand (in photography) as samsung is.

Apart for the few 'brave enough' to go with an unrecognized system, I see almost nobody wanting to try out a brand which has not a long history and whose cameras just perform as good as others (and, iq wise, almost the same since about three years).

I'm stating this since I bought my nx300 over the nx200 I already owned: samsung now needs to become #1 in sensor performance, if they want to get some attention by the masses.

This means innovative tech (ala sigma or fuji) or simply better 'old' tech, ala sony.

But they absolutely have to shine, otherwise they'll remain a niche product, as good as it can be.

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

You've offered no evidence in failed photos that Samsung APSC sensors don't keep up with Sony APSC sensors.

So get adapters for say Nikon F mount to both Sony and Samsung and get a hold of some Zeiss lens for Nikon. With a Samsung NX body and a Sony Nex/A body shoot the same scenes at the same settings with that lens, in raw. Then share your results and ideally the raws too.

Please don't cite DXO scores of various sensors.

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tecnoworld

Here we are again.

Let's try it this way. Many, many ppl choosing a camera of this level know about DxO mark. Samsung is behind Sony, Nikon and Pentax in DxO. Even if DxO is not the bible, why should ppl buy a camera from a non recognized brand, that's behind more recognized brands in a recognized benchmark?? That would be the same even if Samsung were on par with these. Samsung needs to outclass the others to get attention, IMO.

Besides having higher DxO rankings, Nikon, Sony and Pentax all offer 24MP, which is 20% more than Samsung (at no expense of IQ, as noted before).

If I had to start a system from the beginning, today, that would NOT be a NX. And seeing the many comments here, I see that most ppl that are not into NX think this way and, IMO, they are basically correct.

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HowaboutRAW

tecn:

Let me see, clearly you didn't read, or read and didn't understand the meaning of, my last paragraph above, so I'll quote it in its entirety:

"Please don't cite DXO scores of various sensors."

That also means-- obviously--please don't bring up DXO sensor scoring in general.

I'll go further: Unlike DXO lens scoring, DXO sensor scoring is nearly useless, so it's better to skip it.

As for the implication that somehow more megapixels crammed into the same sensor size means the sensor with those extra pixels makes for better image quality:

Are you joking, or do you only shoot at base ISO?

Quite obviously, above base ISO, the Df has better IQ than the D800.

People who care about image quality shoot raw, so would look for raws from whatever brand, then those same people would seek out good lenses, so would avoid Sony, Nikon, Pentax.

Now some people who seek out high image quality have different high ISO shooting interests than others seeking high IQ, so that's a variable.

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tecnoworld

Ok, whatever. Very few ppl actually bought nx compared to those into other system. I'm sure to be right with my market analysis. It would be nice if samsung could put an outstanding camera on the market and see how it beaves.

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cgarrard

Fine, the sensor is barely improved, but this still applies: "JPEG and RAW both disappoint for a camera of this price and class it competes in. Samsung make some very promising ideas happen, they just need to address each weakness one by one and get them to be strengths. Unless they are happy with mediocre camera sales of course, then they really aren't doing anything wrong here."

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tecnoworld

Cgarrard: exactly. That's what I've been saying over and over for one year, and I've been fiercely attacked by fanboys claiming samsung is #1 and is outstanding.

I'd say that nx30 is a good camera, where x-t1 is excellent, a6000 and x-e2 are very good and em1 is also very good to excellent.

So samsung has a good camera competing in price witht the very good ones of others.

Samsung instead needs a camera to be considered excellent or even more, at a price competitive with the very good ones of other producers.

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HowaboutRAW

cgarrard:

The sensor in the NX30 is better than the sensor in the Fuji XT1, at least from the raws I have.

I assume the sensor in the Pentax K3 is basically the same as the sensor in the Sony A6000, and above ISO 6400 neither the A6000 nor the Pentax really keep up with the NX30--it's close.

And here I'll disclose the obvious problem--it's hard to get samples shot with the Sony or the Pentax with lenses optically equal to Samsung. Not impossible but takes work.

tecnow:

But I'm not counting sales I'm talking about the equipment.

Do you really think that in say 1992 Sony and Panasonic executives thought: "Flat panel TVs are coming in the future, but Samsung and LG are going to completely destroy our TV business in 20 years"?

Palm, Blackberry, and Microsoft all had years to develop decent webbrowsing phones, and didn't bother. MS phones crashed all the time. Blackberry's were slow, and didn't get faster.

Back then Google and Apple had zero market share. What happened?

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cgarrard

Technow: I'd suggest that you don't worry about what others say online in reply to you, you have your own opinion equal to them. Most people don't like hearing criticism about something they like, which is why they react the way they do.

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tecnoworld

Cgarrard, thx for you advice, I know you're right, but it's difficult when the environment is hostile (like on samsung forum here, where there are mostly ppl biased towards samsung for their own interest).

Anyway I'm happy to see here on the 'neutral ground' that so many share my own opinion, while there are always the few same ones in favour of samsung's strategy.

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Edac2

The NX-30 has a few must-have features for me. Samsung's wide-angle primes are amazing. The manual focus feature (where the image automatically zooms in) is a joy. And the viewfinders are brighter and smoother than any I've tested. This is the camera that Nikon needs to build.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Well then Nikon would have to launch an entirely new series of lenses. Unless Nikon wanted to build a mirrorless APSC system with a very deep body--like the Pentax K01.

The Nikon One system is far from insignificant. Though no even the optically best Nikon lenses (the 32mm for the One system) aren't close to the optical performance of the best Samsung lenses for the NX system.

And now Samsung has the NX-mini to compete with with the NikOne.

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Desverger

All this Samsung bashing reminds me of how US car makers would make fun of the Japanese auto industry. Now who's laughing? Samsung is a rising star in the tech markets, get over it.

16 upvotes
Usee

It's just fear and envy, from narrow minded people - get over it.

-

The review could also make the following conclusion:

The NX 30 can everything the competitors can and a tad more...

...especially in conjunction with the Samsung lenses.

8 upvotes
Banhmi

Man... even Pentax is better!
Now I know why DPR snubs these things -- they deserve to be snubbed!

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Pentax is better in what way?

Is Pentax shipping an APSC mirrorless? Thought Pentax dropped the K01.

Pentax has some optically decent lenses, but nothing like good NX lenses.

And I like the K5 and K3. Small, quiet, decent high ISO, not great video, good weather sealing. K3 seems to have good AF, good for Pentax.

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Troutguy

Silver award? Has there every been a Bronze award given out?

I give it the "meh" award ;)

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HowaboutRAW

You've used it? You have sample raws?

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Troutguy

I have the NX20, use it mostly for macro with the 60.

The NX30 isnt compelling enough for me to upgrade. As I understand it the evf is smaller than on the 20 and you still cant link AEB to the self timer, so, for me, I gave it a "meh" award. I will now also give it the bronze "shoulder shrug" award aswell :)

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HowaboutRAW

Troutguy:

But then your "meh" award (or the proposed bronze) is only relative to the NX20, which except for the buffer is a plenty good camera. (And the buffer is not incredible on the NX30.)

I owned the NX20 for a week, I don't think the EVF on the NX20 any bigger than the EVF on the NX30.

The NX30 is certainly better at high ISOs than the NX20. And there's the phase detect AF. It's easy to get rid of those stupid bubbles explaining the features. (Perhaps turning those off came with an update to the firmware of the NX20.)

And on the NX30, the top control wheel doesn't have that stupid silver black lettering, which is very hard to read quickly in many situations.

Now, right if I still owned an NX20, I would probably skip the NX30. But that's different than an overall bronze award for the NX30.

2 upvotes
kadardr

This is the camera body what you can use with the Samsung NX 16-50mm F2.0-2.8 S ED OIS, the Samsung NX 60mm F2.8 Macro ED OIS SSA, and the Samsung NX 85mm F1.4 ED SSA. The 30mm f2 and the 45mm f1.8 are also very nice. So using these lenses can mitigate the fact that the NX30 body has a full front branding saying: SAMSUNG. A little piece of tape can handle that issue.

8 upvotes
chillgreg

Mommy!!! DPR reviewed a SAMSUNG!!! :'( MOMMYYYYYYY!!!! :'(

6 upvotes
Greynerd

You really just do not know what sort of people they are going to allow in to the club next.

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UnitedNations

@ Greynerd
How arrogant & Rude.
Sometimes even a stupid nerd can think that he belongs in the cool group himself.
Your rude & arrogant comment is very much like what the white racists once said about the blacks (before full integration) behind their backs, & also reminds me of how the Germans once talked behind the backs of jews (believing in their racial superiority) before the massive which hunt called holocaust.
DPreview staff are not like you.

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Usee

Hey UN,

you think that you are the good guy?

...maybe you should think twice and look into the mirror,
before you repeat the same mistakes, others did...

...take it with a grain of humor - life is too serious to take it serious! ;-)

...always look on the bright side of life...

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Shamael

what a garbage is given here.

@ UnitedNations, the white racists still say the same today about the blacks after full integration. Same for anti shemite reactions, you can not change people's mind just by changing laws and situations.

And please, we are here in the photo business, not in money making by the holocaust industry system. WW2 is over since 70 years now and digging out the death of the past to bundle them to just anything what seems wrong today is the usual crap we should better avoid. In that field, the victorious write the history and you are not allowed to dare call them liars.

So, stick to DPR' Samsung review and tell us what you see different, that is why comments are here, not to make politics and unwanted or useless comparisons to events of the past.

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UnitedNations

@Usee
Was my comment about who was the good guy & who was the bad buy here? No. Please take your arrogant nonsense somewhere else.

@Shamael
Is there something wrong with telling a guy not to discriminate & spread hate on this board with a simple historical example that we repeat 'even today' on a daily basis? NO.
...And did you say "victorious write history", & etc...? Thanks. I can now see where you went wrong in your education.

Next time, both of you, please learn to stick to the subject of cameras(or the well being of this board) & tell me what you guys think about this review/camera instead of sending me arrogant & nonsensical messages again.
You Shamael fail to say anything to the person who started the hate here & said absolutely nothing about the camera & review here..., but you cannot resist your urge to tell me to "stick to DPR Samsung review"? Amusing.

Looks like both of you need to look in the mirror & think about where you guys went all wrong.
Funny.

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Usee

@ UnitedNonsense

Is everybody arrogant, exept you?

...or has your mirror a wavefront error > lambda?

Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdQnuqFlD7U

...and take that:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm2iK60qEm0

...I hope you understand now, what I meant.

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monkeybrain

@ UnitedNations, Greynard and the original poster, chillgreg, were being ironic. They were making fun of the same closed-mindedness that you hate. Greynard is British and chillgreg is Australian, in both cultures ironic language is very common. On an international site such as this it is wise to check the nationality of a poster before firing off a broadside, as something might just have been lost in translation.

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Eric Hensel

"On an international site such as this it is wise to check the nationality of a poster before firing off a broadside, as something might just have been lost in translation."
So there's no responsibility of the OP to notify the reader of the humorous intent of the post...on an international site?
You refer to sarcasm, btw, irony has a much more narrow definition, and the term gets constantly misused these days.

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arbuz

@Unitednations and Shamael - you need to develop a sense of humor. You seriously lack it. The comment about white racist is very racist, suggest you have issues.

0 upvotes
chillgreg

This is the weirdest tangent I've ever seen.

0 upvotes
Aroart

They should stick to tvs . There phones suck to. but i love my note 12.5 tablet although it crashes more than my 4yr old iPad.

3 upvotes
chillgreg

My Galaxy Note 2 doesn't suck. Great contribution dude.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Aroart:

Given that almost nobody complains about Android crashing regularly, and almost nobody complains about Samsung Android phones + tablets, something is likely very wrong with your particular tabphone.

A trick that's easy enough to try on your own: All variations of Android 4 allow you to limit background processes. Learn how to get into those settings for a start. (4.2 and above make it a bit more difficult, by hiding the way to turn the feature on.)

Anyhow Android is a Google variation of Linux, so complain about Google, I just found a huge stability problem in Windows 7 and I don't blame the hardware maker, I blame Microsoft.

1 upvote
shaolin95

AppleZombie alert!

5 upvotes
Desverger

You mean "their" phones? Perhaps you should first learn how to spell before spewing crap about something you know nothing about. Btw, it's a good thing you can't open up that iPad because if you could, you'd see a bunch of Samsung logos in there - including the A7 cpu at the heart of the entire system.

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ArcaSwiss

I once bought a Samdung (sic) Blu Ray player. It failed quickly. I sent for repair and when it came back it still didn't work

Never again Samdung for me.

5 upvotes
arbuz

cool story bro. this must hurt. many years have passed and trauma is still there...

20 upvotes
shaocaholica

I had a bad experience with a Sony camera so I'm not going to but a PS4.

4 upvotes
monkeybrain

I bought 40 canons for my galleon, only to find they didn't fire. Canon tech support was useless. I'm never buying a canon again.

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Zdman

@monkeybrains
Thanks, haven't laughed that hard in weeks.

1 upvote
JaimeA

I do not intend to influence your decisions. I am reporting our personal experiences and what was published in the Wall Street Journal and others. The current issue of Vanity Fair also carries a sizable story on patent abuse. Samsung has a constant stream of lawsuits and not only in America. If you buy Samsung we recommend you get the insurance.

4 upvotes
Alex Permit

Are you just upset because Linda's Galaxy died? Or are you trolling?

I have had no problems with my three Samsung tv's nor has my wife had a problem with her two Galaxy's. Avs forums has no systemic reports of issues with current Samsung TV's.

There was a problem with TV's manufactured between 2006 and 2008. Thats a long time ago, and a very different product line.

If you have issues with a manufacturer because one of their products had an issue, try googling "d600 recall". Its more recent and a more relevant product.

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b craw

Listen, in so far as I believe that you have had negative experiences and that appears to have led to reseach and surface some creditably critical information, I appreciate your concern. However, as a photographer first and foremost, I am compelled to focus on Samsung within a photographic context. And, within that purview I view Samsung in terms of what quality and forward thinking is manifest in their NX line - despite some undeniable misteps, I am left largely feeling positive about existing products and future trajectory of Samsung. I contrast this with a complete breakdown of my faith in Nikon and Canon, particularly philosophically - so disappointing. But also more practically in terms of less-than inspiring current offerings. I say this with decades of previous respect for their products. But I digress, focus here should be on the potential of Samsung cameras - ones I can support in terms of the practical performance I've enjoyed and the spirit embodied. Ultimately it comes down to the photographer, their ability to maximize tools used whatever they be, but my NX300 has consistently not failed in giving me the latitude I've needed as an artist. Very pleased.

6 upvotes
b craw

Additionally, the creeping perception of Samsung being competent in all areas but not top-running in any in their class (a perception supported by DPR, all respect extended) - that is demonstratively untrue. I challenge you to prove that the NX300's hybrid AF, Wi-Fi, AMOLED display, ergonomics ( including the unique lens-located iFn) does not outshine say the Fujifilm X-A1 or even the X-M1. Handled without brand prejudice the NX300 is a superior product (an opinion of course, but an informed one). Add to this an excellent performing sensor, more RAW than JPEG admittedly, and excellent value in NX lenses. I am not directing commentary at tge NX30 because I haven't used it. What it comes down to is that if I can't get it done with the NX system, the visual actualization of concepts (concepts to me the real currency in my work) then it isn't going to get done with any product, even ones much more expensive - let's face it most mirrorless systems have matured to the point of excellent image quality and performance, generally. So, confident that I can achieve high level imaging needs with it, and it feels good with it in my hands - I'm more than satisfied.

5 upvotes
b craw

Further (and I party apologize for a lengthy front loading of this comment thread), if we are talking in terms of brand distinctions, and most specifically NX's ability to compete, one should not discredit that, unlike other makers, Samsung is in a fairly good position to shift capital from other sectors to build this line going forward. That is a potential selling point that should not go unrecognized.

4 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

OP:

And Apple never stole anything? Or Microsoft?

Do you really think Adobe independently developed all of the colour handling ideas in PhotoShop?

The war Apple is having with its supplier Samsung is more about Apple's annoyance with Google than anything to do with Samsung, hence Apple still using Samsung parts.

3 upvotes
JaimeA

Like everything plagiarized and built with others’ technology and patent infringement, Samsung products risk failure. A salesman in the BHV (Paris largest store) told me that the TVs had a high rate of returns because of something going wrong. Our own Linda’s Galaxy has gone bust. If you buy the brand, make sure you check it and have a replacement insurance.

6 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

That's odd you don't see people in the US complaining about the failure rate of Samsung TVs.

Also how is the NX system a copy of whatever? Be specific.

The various Galaxy smartphones all seem to work.

6 upvotes
viking79

I h ave bought a lot of Samsung devices and they have all been fine. Only had one issue which was covered quickly under warranty.

8 upvotes
Mescalamba

Kinda funny. Apparently you dont know that Samsung made first mirrorless APS-C. :)

So if anyone is copying anything, its suprisingly others..

10 upvotes
bimmerhauler

"That's odd you don't see people in the US complaining about the failure rate of Samsung TVs."

If you knew anything about the TV business you wouldn't make such a dumb statement.

Go to your local Best Buy and ask the folks there, or Google "Samsung TV power supply" or "Samsung bad capacitors" Hint: if you buy a Samsung TV, get as long of an extended warranty as you can, you'll need it. I don't normally recommend extended warranties but with Samsung TVs, yeah.....

I have a Samsung on my desk now waiting for new parts. I work in the electronics business, so I can do the repairs myself, and I've done quite a few Samsungs.

But most folks don't bother with the repairs, they just go out and buy another one.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Mescalamba:

While I agree with your sentiments. Both the Leica M8 and Epson RD-1 predate the NX10.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

bimmerhauler:

At least you're citing examples, however in the US, I just don't hear people saying "Samsung TVs don't last," and the same is true of Sam smart phones. And there are plenty of both in use.

Also Best Buy? That's not a reliable source of information.

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The outfitter

I think Wikipedia lists the Epson R-D1 as the first APS-C mirrorless camera.
Technically that is true, but we have to give Samsung their due.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

The outfitter:

Just add AF and Samsung gets the credit, the way Sony gets the credit for the first AF mirrorless full framed body.

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HowaboutRAW

viking,

I figured it out with the Google, in 2006, '07, '08, Samsung shipped some TVs with problematic capacitors.

It's a real problem that applies to a limited set of Samsung TVs from 5 years ago.

Dell Computer had some serious failures of business oriented desktops in about 2006--the Optiplex line I believe. Like with these Samsung TVs there was a significant lawsuit.

(The 2006 Honda Civic had a string of bad engine blocks--but clearly Honda still ships excellently made cars.)

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In hydraulis

HowaboutRAW,

Not quite. Add AF, and Ricoh gets the credit, courtesy of their GXR system.

Assuming we limit our discussion to APS-C-sized sensors, Samsung came next.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

In hydraulis:

I don't think all the Ricoh GXR modules used APSC sensors.

Of course the Leica M mount APSC module was NOT AF.

And Wikipedia is unclear about the sensor size in in each module.

So with the 2009 announcement date you may be right, but there's some ambiguity.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

In hydraulis:

Update:

Found the DPR pages for the GXR, so you are right about APSC sensors and AF. However, I'd point out that this discussion was about interchangeable lens systems, and the GXR module that takes different lenses is not in fact AF.

So yes if counting interchangeable sensors together with with lenses, but it's a somewhat different way of counting.

And using that way of counting could put other earlier big sensored mirrorless non-interchangeable lens cameras into the mix.

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In hydraulis

I'll admit the GXR is hard to pigeonhole. But I can't see a reason why an interchangeable lens wouldn't count, sensor or no sensor.

1 upvote
Desverger

That's really funny considering Samsung makes parts that go into a huge number of products by other manufacturers, including Apple. Apple seems to be happy with Samsung's build quality.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

In hydraulis,

Because one switches the entire sensor too. Also I'm not sure that every GXR module has an APSC sensor.

The GXR is like a series of standalone cameras, with one handle and battery--one variation being manual focus only.

0 upvotes
mosc

"While I haven't taken many videos yet, their quality looks good but not great."
you may want to take that out of page 5 of your "finalized" review.

0 upvotes
viking79

As an owner of this camera I agree with the statements in the overall score box, doesn't really lead in any particular way, but I feel the camera is a strong performer and slap the 45mm f/1.8 or 16-50mm f/2 to 2.8 on it and you will get an impressively fast camera that delivers great results.

Thanks for the review!

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AngryCorgi

And I thought Sony's JPEG engine was crappy. I'd never shoot JPEG with a camera that performed this poorly.

8 upvotes
tecnoworld

Yup, jpg in nx is terrible even at iso 800+. The nx kicks in and there is not a setting to turn it off. Iso 1600 and 3200 are like oil paintings :)

Luckily the raw are better.

2 upvotes
Heaven is for real

You are ill-informed about Sony's JPEG engine...

7 upvotes
viking79

Sony's is pretty comparable. Remember, a lot of people like this processed style of JPEG. Definition of poor is subjective.

9 upvotes
AngryCorgi

I'm ill-informed?? I guess all three SONY cameras (NEX-3, RX100, a3000) I own are freaking liars!! I'm sending them back ASAP!

How can you be so freaking arrogant as to say someone's opinion, a person you know exactly nothing about, is somehow ill-informed??

Welcome to the internet, where the clowns come out to play!!

3 upvotes
peevee1

Look, a review! :)

Of course AF testing is as useless as ever.

"At a common output size at ISO 6400 the NX30 appears to do just a bit better handling noise and detail than the Olympus E-M10"

Huh? Look at the green grass and BW fine pattern next to it. E-M10 is so much better both at common output size and at native resolution it is not even funny - Samsung does not have any grass or pattern left, just greenish cloud and a grey patch.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

raw or jpeg?

1 upvote
peevee1
1 upvote
HowaboutRAW

Okay, but that doesn't have much to do with overall image quality from this camera or any other raw shooting camera.

1 upvote
BarnET

Well raw.

It means the Samsung jpeg engine is falling far short of that of the em-10. Not an issue for you and me. But some people prefer jpeg for the faster workflow. So it should be mentioned as a con nevertheless.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

BarnET:

But no one disputes that there are problematic jpeg engines. Or that Olympus m4/3s cameras have a reputation for good jpegs.

It's the drawing overall image quality conclusions without the mention of jpegs that's the problem.

2 upvotes
Wolfini

I don't get why the conclusion laments that there is only one ("proper"?) command dial. There are two! Ok, the reviewers may not be happy with the rear dial, but it is still a command dial, proper or not. ;-) AND you can also use the iFN button + focus ring for adjustments, so you have a third dial there (which I - frankly - never use).

I agree though that it would make sense to use different functions on the different dials, but that is not what the conclusion is saying.

Disclaimer: I own the NX30 (besides an NX100 and a Canon 5d) and am very happy with it. The "handful of nice wide-angle-primes" mentioned here en passant are the unique selling point for Samsung NX, IMO: incredibly small, great optical quality, and very affordable (10mm Fisheye, 16mm, 20mm, 30mm, 45mm). And although the body of the NX30 alone is not much smaller than small DSLR bodies, there is a huge difference in size and weight once you add the lens and want to carry around more than one lens with you.

5 upvotes
EricKLeung2010

I just wonder how reviewer testing the camera for many weeks and does not release what you have mentioned.

0 upvotes
Marvol

Samsung is running into the same problems that Sony faced when they entered the digital photo fray.

In order to beat any of the Big Two (in mirrorless it's more Big Four now), it's not enough for newcomers to be as good - they have to be better, preferably in every way (I'm not joking).

Sony has only seen success against CaNikon where it managed to have clearly much better products (RX, some mirrorless models). In DSLR/T they simply got (and get) ground down between the millstones of consumer (and reviewer) inertia.

In my view Samsung will be a contender in the mid term - say, a decade from now. Electronics will become more important over time and they can afford to slowly expand, whilst not making money, because in the shadow of their colossal smartphone and TV divisions, the photo division is a hobby they can run on the side.

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tecnoworld

I agree with the first part. I have been saying this for one year or more ( pls read my posts).

2 upvotes
Just a Photographer

We've seen many companies like Samsung come and go.
GE, Sharp, Philips, Sony. All of those companies have been very large in consumer electronics up to the point that consumers don't find them sexy anymore.

Samsung will face the same thing sooner or later - The only question left is when consumers are fed up with their products.

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peevee1

Somebody IS NOT fed up with their junk yet?

2 upvotes
jennyrae

@justaphotogtapher

you mean like Apple? I not know. maybe or maybe not. Samsung very much embed itself into everything. whoever is head of company is very smart. it is not only plain consumer electronics but maker and provider of electronics and semi-conductors. they have resources and investments that keep business going and can allocate anytime. whether people get fed up of Samsung, they may not be aware that product they buy have Samsung parts inside. I think this is reason why Samsung can afford to lower price easily compare to other camera manufacturer because they have resources. given idea and how much NX camera can sell in few months after will tell you how much cameras really are. if Samsung still make money selling cameras for $200-$300, can imagine others selling for similar build quality camera has for profit. XT1 may sell for $400-$500 only. but Fuji cannot afford so because it does not have every resources available to offset cost to profit.

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HowaboutRAW

Just a Photographer:

My understanding is that, like GE, Samsung has significant ties to aerospace.

Samsung's lenses have already embarrassed nearly every camera lens maker.

Like Intel, Qualcom, Texas Instruments, Free Scale, Samsung makes the chips necessary to run many devices, and also makes sensors. Sony only makes sensors.

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peevee1

"Sony only makes sensors."

Funniest statement ever. :)

5 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

pevee1:

What other computer chips does Sony make beyond image sensors? Your implication that I was somehow missing Sony's other products, like camera lenses, is vastly misleading.

Yes I realized later that Sony may make the BIONZ processor chips, but who really knows.

TI, FreeScale, Intel, Samsung, Qualcom, ATI, Nvidia, AMD are all known as makers of various kinds of computing processing chips. Sony is not.

Even Apple is more known as a maker (well engineer) of processing chips than Sony--that's the A7 chips in iOS devices. And yes, Apple bought the company.

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Just a Photographer

@HowAboutRAW

GE, Sony and Philips all still have large Semiconductors division and stil earn a lot of money in providing OEM products. However they have failed to maintain their position in consumer goods.

Yes I am pretty sure that there will be a time that Samsung will face the same thing in consumer products.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW

J. a Photo,

Okay, didn't say much about GE except that it has an huge presence in aerospace.

Also Philips does do some consumer electronics still, not made in Holland though.

Still news to me that Sony does much with computer chips beyond image sensors. Irony Nikon is a significant manufacturer of chip steppers.

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0 upvotes
agentul

that GIF of the extending EVF reminds me of Alien. does the camera bleed powerful acid if you drop it?

3 upvotes
tecnoworld

Yup, it's really a disturbing look. I find it awful as well.

3 upvotes
Just a Photographer

" This is made possible with electronic shutter enabled - the mechanical shutter has a 1/6000sec maximum speed."

So the 1/8000th shutter speed is actually just a marketing trick to let people believe its better then it actually is.

Anyway not a bad camera for a Samsung.

3 upvotes
arbuz

What is say is obviously not true. In my NX20 I set shutter to 1/8000s and take pictures without any problem.

Maybe you can provide real example where this is a problem - but not another "I think that", just show a picture.

2 upvotes
tecnoworld

Just, exactly, in fact 1/8000 just work with nx lenses. With legacy it's limited to 1/6000.

1 upvote
peevee1

http://www.camerastuffreview.com/images/rolling-shutter.jpg

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BarnET

It will create artifacts with fast moving parts. Bending and curving straight lines. Just do your own research many have posted Intel on this topic. Nevertheless 1/6000th is still faster then most.

1 upvote
viking79

electronic first CURTAIN. It is a focal plane shutter with 1/8000. It is not electronic rolling shutter. It will take photos as well at 1/8000 as any mechanical shutter, but with less shutter lag.

5 upvotes
peevee1

viking79, DPR seems to differ.

1 upvote
viking79

I have the camera, it is 1/8000 electronic first curtain shutter (EFCS). Not a slow full rolling electronic shutter (say at 1/30 second). Technically, a mechanical focal plane shutter has the same side effects as a rolling shutter above the max flash sync speed as well, you don't generally notice if the flash sync speed is fast since it sweeps the camera faster then most electronic rolling shutters. EFCS is much faster though, electronic curtain tracks motion of what mechanical shutter does. It is not a "trick". Go look at the specs on Samsung and you can verify this. Yes, if you disable EFCS you can only get 1/6000, but it is still no trick to get 1/8000, just the mechanical first curtain doesn't support it so they use electronic first with mechanical second.

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tjobbe

you can buy a body only NX easily...

in the UK the Article number is EV-NX30ZZBZBGB

I did buy one (and the dealer bundled it himself with the new PZ Zoom, which is possible here with the new 16-50 S as well)

2 upvotes
eozdural

I bought a Samsung NX100 a few years ago and it came with a kit zoom. I want to upgrade to a better body, but if I do buy a body that I want, I have to buy it with another kit zoom. I mean they are all bundled with a kit zoom. There is only one body sold without a kit zoom. This is unique in all exchangeable lens cameras, all brands offer options of buying body only, except Samsung.

Maybe someone can find an example where there is one or two bodies sold separately, or can find a body being sold on ebay, but that isn't interesting for me. If I can't choose the exact new body that I want, without a kit zoom, then I think there is a problem.

0 upvotes
tjobbe

was meant to go here

in the UK the Article number is EV-NX30ZZBZBGB

0 upvotes
arbuz

I think lenses with NX100 and kit for NX30 is a very different lens.

Also if you wnat a new body then will you continue with NX100? Why would you need 2 bodies out of the sudden? And it's easier to sell camera with lens than just body in case you decide to sell nx100.

0 upvotes
jango

samsung nx30 or sony a6000 or olympus e-m10
which one would you buy?
in my country the prices of the three cameras are almost the same
even the lanses price are cheeper for the samsung and most exepensive for the sony

0 upvotes
badi

it really depend on what your preferences are, nobody can really tell you that.
For me the most fun to use camera is the olympus om-d, but the excellent lenses are rather expensive. Also you loose a little on the DOF control, since it has a smaller sensor.
Best advice you can get: figure out how much ($ and kg) your system will be (body + mode likely lenses you'll buy), and compare the cameras at a retailer to feel them in your hand :)

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3 upvotes
Just a Photographer

X - None of the mentioned camera's.

4 upvotes
HarrieD7000

I'm convinced, if you start with a Nikon or Canon DSLR, for the same price, you have a better camera and more possibilities in the future. The quality of the pictures will be better too.

1 upvote
peevee1

"I'm convinced, if you start with a Nikon or Canon DSLR, for the same price, you have a better camera and more possibilities in the future. The quality of the pictures will be better too."

You are apparently "convinced" by advertisement. All those cheap Rebels and D5xxx/3xxx with single control dials and small cheap pentamirror viewfinders and slow processors and shutters are without doubt worse cameras, and the quality is the same (worse in case of Canon with their inferior sensors).

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BarnET

Peevee the d5200/5300 do have an very good AF system.
The safox from the d7000 is very capable and better then all on sensor AF systems to date.

So for some people these do make sense even with those annoying tiny peekholes.

You can also buy an 70d for 999 that is an very capable all rounder with some neat tricks.

All other canon crop camera's are of course complete and utter junk the 1200d being the junklord of 2014.

0 upvotes
Skipper494

A few GOOD sample photos would have been nice....

0 upvotes
Daniel L

Avoid Samcraop at all cause.

1 upvote
b craw

Oh, boy. That sentence is a mess; as might be your logic, but how could we know when you don't bother to elaborate on what might be an acutely brilliant suggestion?

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several underscores dashes and spaces

I want to know what camera was used to take the pictures of this camera, because it did a fantastic job.

2 upvotes
dynaxx

I must agree ; I had the same thought when the first impressions review of the Sony RX100 III was released the other day - superb quality and a similar look to the Medium Format products/studio photography that I dearly love

0 upvotes
Gesture

Today's Wall Street Journal (5/21/13) gave Samsung NX30 highest rating of five cameras compared for "How They Work Connected." Competition was Canon 70D, Sony A6000, Leica C and Nikon D5300.

4 upvotes
Just a Photographer

Didn't it say in very small print 'advertorial'?

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Marvol

"How they work connected".

So if they'd thrown in an iPhone, that would have actually come top.

2 upvotes
BarnET

I wonder how many galaxy s5's they gave away to these "journalists"

1 upvote
123Mike

It costs more and it is not nearly as good as the Sony A6000, which currently is an unbeatable camera ! ! !

6 upvotes
tjobbe

facts:

current price NX30 with Kit 729,-€
current price A6000 with kit 759,-€

Price for the LR5 licence 85,-€

Bottom line: 100,-€ difference

7 upvotes
tecnoworld

Most would not care about lr, sie they already own it. So why not offer a version w/o lr for 100 less? That would be much better.

Of course I fully agree with 123Mike.

3 upvotes
tjobbe

well I had LR4 so it was a nice upgrade and I was able to sell my LR4 licence for a few €....still 759,- is more expensive than 729,- (at least that is how it is seen here purely mathematically)

Of course you have to agee with 123Mike :-)

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arbuz

@technoworld - how can you fully agree witrh 123mike if tjobbe clearly illustrated that even w/o taking into account lightroom NX30 is cheaper. I simply cannot understand how one can agree that 759 is less than 729.

Unless you are so much biased that vene basics facts do not matter.

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tecnoworld

I agree since a6000 is clearly a better camera for the same price.

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tecnoworld

P.s. on geizhals I find a6000 at 739€ and nx30 at 759€. And again, a6000 is higher res, faster focusing, better iq at high iso, bigger buffer, faster fps...

3 upvotes
viking79

I don't like the A6000, nor think it is a better price for features. I would like to see the NX30 priced the same as the A6000 (they are pretty comparable, balanced differently in features, NX30 has 3.5mm mic input, fully articulated touch screen, higher res EVF, etc). I don't know that it is faster focusing in AF-S, mainly AF-C, and looks like only certain lenses are any good with AF-C. Some lenses seem to be showing large out of focus rates (maybe 18-55). For my style of shooting the NX30 is the better camera, and the lenses I want would cost so much more in Sony that I have absolutely no reason to change.

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justmeMN

For comparison, the Canon SL1 /100D DSLR is 8% narrower, 5% shorter, (20% thicker), and weighs 7% less than the Samsung NX30.

So much for the size advantage of mirrorless, at least in this case.

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T3

I'd recommend you take a look at the top-down comparison of these two bodies:

http://camerasize.com/compare/#448,497

What mirrorless does is get rid of the large "dead space" of a DSLR. i.e. that large central volume of space required for the reflex mirror and mirror box. As a result, the flange focal distance is only 25.50mm on the mirrorless NX, while it's a whopping 44mm on the Canon SL1. That's why, once you mount a lens, a mirrorless body feels so much more compact. That's because the midsection of a mirrorless body is so much narrower than that of a DSLR. So your numbers are a bit misleading. A mirrorless body can give still give you a fairly beefy grip, but still offer a slimmer body because the slimness is at the midsection (i.e. at the lens mount). The SL1 downsizes by sacrificing grip size, but you still have the fat central portion of the body required for the mirror box. As a result, once you mount a lens, DSLR ends up being so much larger than comparable mirrorless.

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tecnoworld

Justmemn: I totally agree, that's what I've been stating sie the beginning. Samsung does not understand customers' needs. If ppl wanted such a big camera, they would go dslr (at a lesser cost and wider lens choice).

Ppl on the market for a mirrorless, on average, want smaller and more stylish bodies.

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peevee1

"Canon SL1 /100D DSLR is 8% narrower, 5% shorter, (20% thicker), and weighs 7% less than the Samsung NX30."

SL1 - 407g
NX30 - 375g
What weighs less you say?

Of course SL1 has tiny junky pentamirror viewfinder, a couple control dials are missing and no articulated screen, not even tilting, and its grip is too small to grip it while too big to let you cradle the camera in the base of your palm as you would do with compacts and compact-sized mirrorless (like OM-D E-M5/E-M10 etc).

1 upvote
Michael Ma

I think Samsung, being able to create their own processors, and SSD's in house, they should be able to pull off some game changing products that no one else could do feasibly.

I would love to see them take on the growing video market. RAW 1080p/4K video capture with amazing dynamic range of the Arri Alexa. High speed video camera that can shoot a thousand (or at least a few hundred) FPS in HD. But make it affordable for consumers.

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HowaboutRAW

I have tried the Galaxy NX, and I feel perfectly free to knock it.

The problem isn't so much Android and the touch interface. It's that there aren't enough physical buttons to run the controls most would want to run with buttons or wheels, not touch.

Then there's the start up time.

Not having excellent organization software--libraries.

Having to go into Android, deeply, to format the storage.

A single mSD removable storage option.

I have no problem with the touch interface on the NX-mini but it also has buttons, like the NX30/300.

1 upvote
John Driggers

This is not an Android camera, so your points are mostly shooting at a different target. Your foot?

5 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

John Driggers:

How odd:

The original comment had specifically referred to a touch controlled NX body with a huge screen, so only the G'NX.

0 upvotes
Michael Ma

Samsung's been making good cameras, and it's good to see them get some recognition.

On a related note, I got to play with the very large touch screen Samsung NX this weekend. I really loved the large touch screen for quick change of the controls, smooth pinch previewing of pics, and shooting of video. I know a lot of people thought it looked ridiculous, but the large screen works really well on a camera. Don't knock it till you've tried it.

0 upvotes
maljo@inreach.com

Average in most ways, but it gets a silver award.
Everybody medals these days which means medaling means nothing.

3 upvotes
Ben Ramsey

I give you a silver award for that comment.

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arbuz

One can say average (not tru, since it's much closer to top than to bottom), other can say - consistently performs on high level. There is no fireworks, but no flop. Works well, delivers good performance, very solid camera = silver award.

0 upvotes
tecnoworld

Who buys silver, if for the same price you can buy gold? :)

3 upvotes
jennyrae

Laugh at Ben Ramsey.

0 upvotes
beavertown

Raw 3200 on the Samsung is better than the Olympus E-M10.

I think Samsung sensor deserves more scores than this.

6 upvotes
km25

The camera has 1/8000, flash sync. 1/200. That an XT-1 does not have, but for $200.00 or so you get a much better camera over all.

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Raw Jaw

"Flip-out LCD helpful for video and tripod work"

Sorry, but this 'Pro' comment indicates to me the reviewer has no knowledge of what a fully articulating LCD can be used for.

The real value of the NX30's fully articulating LCD is for handheld vertical stills from floor level to overhead, (eg. Toddlers to Stage Performers).

This is critical for Event Photography and is something a DPReviewer should know about or learn about before picking up a camera to review it.

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jimread

Also in situations where you have to get really close to a wall in order to get the maximum area in a shot. Only a fully articulated screen will do for this. I use a Panny G2, mirrorless is far better than the DSLR crap.

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Raw Jaw
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Barney Britton

We didn't say it wasn't useful for anything else...

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Karroly

@Jimread,
How many pictures do you take "close to the wall" ?
1 out of 1000 ?
Personally, I face many situations were a DSLR is "far" better than a MILC "crap"...

PS : This is just irony. I own both DSLR and MILC...

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Richard Murdey

A flip-out LCD has its uses, from selfies to holding the camera above the crowd of everyone else holding their cameras above a crowd of... but needing them for taking photos of children?

To miss-quote Lawrence Olivier: "have you tried *kneeling*?"

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Raw Jaw

Barney Britton: Please re-read my post and respond to my topic if you like.

A statement in a review which indicates a lack of knowledge by the reviewer warranted my pointing it out.

Your 'We didn't say it wasn't useful for anything else...' made me laugh and cry at the same time.

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abortabort

Raw Jaw - You are an idiot. Go write your own 'expert' reviews champ.

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rurikw

I actually quite frequently shoot architecture ( such as stair rails) in cramped quarters at awkward angles where the fully articulated screen (on my Sony r1) is essential. So, to me the nx30 is unique since (sadly) being the only aps-c mirrorless with such a screen. The other alternative of course is the Panasonic G or GH series with m43 sensor. The advantage of the Samsung in this context is the availability of cheap but good UWA primes (Samyang) whereas M43 have none (waiting for the Kowa 8,5mm but that one will probably be 1000€+). Also the choice and price range of UWA zooms is wider.

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pew pew

The nx30 is packed with features and innovations, I remember watching the pre production autofocus tests and I was wow, this is be best autofocus in a mirrorless ever, I was really impressed with this camera overall, I´m sure if this camera was been released a little sooner It would have been much more acclaimed.

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tecnoworld

Yup, they should have released it in 2020. Nope, even better....never :)

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