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Designs compared

Naturally, it's worth illustrating how the GX7 compares to its predecessor, the GX1. In addition, we'll take a look at how it sizes up next to three competitive mirrorless cameras.

Compared to the GX1

The most obvious difference between the GX1 and GX7 is size. The GX7 is significantly larger (not to mention heavier) than its predecessor, which allows it to accommodate the articulating LCD and EVF.

The GX7 towers over the GX1, and has a less boxy design. Most of the front elements are in the same place, aside from the AF-assist lamp, which has switched sides.
If you exclude protrusions, the GX7 isn't that much thicker than its predecessor. Throw in the EVF and larger (and more comfortable) grip, and the thickness increases quite a bit. As you can see, the location of the shutter release and mode dial have been swapped, with the GX7 having a control dial around the release button.
The most substantial differences between the GX1 and GX7 are found on the back. As you can see, the GX7 sports both a tilting LCD and electronic viewfinder. The GX1, on the other hand, has a fixed LCD, and supports an optional EVF via the accessory port you can see on the rear. While the placement of buttons is roughly the same, many of their functions have changed.

Compared to the Fujifilm X-E1, Olympus PEN E-P5, Sony NEX-6

Fujifilm X-E1 Olympus PEN E-P5 Sony NEX-6
The Lumix GX7 may be a comparatively big camera, but the Fuji X-E1 is even larger, especially with its substantial kit lens attached. The opposite is true when comparing the GX7 with Olympus and Sony's offerings.

Three of these four cameras have tilting LCDs, with the X-E1 and NEX-6 also sporting electronic viewfinders. The E-P5 has an optional (and pricey) EVF that attaches to its accessory port. If you want an Olympus mirrorless camera with a built-in EVF, you'll need to step up to one of the OM-D models.

In terms of controls, the E-P5 and NEX-6 go for the minimalist approach, while the GX7 and X-E1 have more physical controls.

Body elements

Panasonic nearly ran out of room on the mode dial. In addition to P/A/S/M modes, there's also a 'creative video' mode, three custom spots, scene and 'creative control' modes, and the excellent Intelligent Auto mode.

The movie recording button and shutter release / top dial combination can be seen at left.
This switch on the back of the camera toggles between auto and manual focus. As you'll see later, you're able to enlarge the frame and use focus peaking when in MF mode.

Pressing the button in the middle of the switch will lock focus and exposure (by default - other iterations are available).

Just under the hot shoe is a button for switching between the LCD and EVF. If you prefer, you can rely on the eye sensor (which offers two sensitivity settings), and have this button handle another task.

Just to the right of that is the release for the pop-up flash.
The GX7's pop-up flash, which is released manually, has a guide number of 7 meters at ISO 200, which is typical for a camera in this class.

This flash can be used to control compatible external flashes wirelessly.
There are three ports on the GX7, which are under a plastic cover on its left side. They include USB + composite A/V output, mini HDMI, and an input for a wired remote control.

Something that bothered us about these ports is how you get to them. The latch for the door is hidden by the LCD, so you must first tilt it out of the way before you can access the ports.
Panasonic cleverly put the battery and SD memory card slot at the bottom of the grip. This gives you easy access to both while the camera is on a tripod.

The GX7 uses the 7.4Wh DMW-BLG10 lithium-ion battery, which is also used by the DMC-GF6. Panasonic lists the battery life as 350 shots per charge when the 14-42mm lens is attached.
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Hen3ry

This focus on the EVF's "tearing" effect is ludicrous. Is if going to affect your photography 99% of the time? No!

So what’s the big deal? This is a reviewers' nitpick, something they are trying to hang their hat on because the camera is so darned good.

Where is the silent mode of the much lauded E-M5? How does it compare for size? What about its pop-up flash (reported here as flimsy -- ALL pop-up flashes of that type are flimsy, but it is way, way better than none at all!).

Then there is the nonsensical expectation that you should be able to see through the EVF with glasses. Come on!!! I've been photographing for 50 years with glasses, and I have NEVER had an eye level viewfinder that works with glasses! The glasses used to go into my pocket; nowadays, they!).

As for the necessity to have the optional eye cup for sans glasses viewfinding -- OF COURSE!! I have been using them on every camera I have had for 50 years. Literally.

Give the GX7 the gold it deserves.

Cheers, geoff

34 upvotes
Andy Crowe

Yeah, when I wear glasses I don't actually look through the viewfinder with them, that's what the dioptre adjustment is for!

5 upvotes
hayely

Tears, Jeff!

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Bram de Mooij

I wear glasses. The em5 viewfinder does not give me problems. I keep my glasses on. If the gx7 viewfinder requires me to put my glasses off, that would be a major disappointment.

3 upvotes
babalu

No it does not require you to put off your glasses, unless you wear them very far down your nose, like some reading glases are worn.
The tiltable EVF has some real advantage, as you can use it with just a little bit of tilt, which may provide a better and less conspicious appeareance while shooting and better ergonomics of neck position at that, and , because it's tiltable, it offers a GREAT advantage to left-eyed viewers. Finally, it is a fine aid when it comes to viewing in bright light conditions while shooting macro subjects.

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vesa1tahti

Problems in opening samples and starting slide shows. Explorer 9: samples sites don't get opened at all. Firefox and Chrome: individual images can be opened but slide shows not. What to do? Thanks a'lot. BTW: Windows 7.

1 upvote
inorogNL

same problem here, I just updated to latest adobe flash and still slideshow not working

0 upvotes
babalu

Show me a better, more flexible viewfinder camera with exchangeable lenses at this price point. There simply aren't any, and that is something the reviewer did not consider.

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Daniel Alenstein

Sony Nex-7? "Better" is of course a relative term. The Nex-7 has the raw image qualtity in it's favour and is quite a bit cheaper today. GX7 still looks very nice. Envy the silent mode.

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greenarcher02

Although NEX-7 and GX7 RAW are very close. Close enough that it's the system that matters most, not the sensor size and RAW quality.

And besides, NEX-7 and NEX-6 aren't that flexible in terms of buttons and menus, and the NEX menus are the worst for a camera.

0 upvotes
Artistico

If this camera had existed a year ago, i probably would have got it instead of the Olympus OM-D EM5. I see Panasonic even fixed the awful dynamic range that used to bother me with the GH2 I had before. As it doesn't improve on the E-M5 in more than really tiny ways, and possibly the IBIS isn't as good (which remains to be seen), I'll stick to Olympus for now.

3 upvotes
Andrew Butterfield

The EVF is hard to see outdoors? This is a bit of a shocker, since the point of the EVF is that it should be for when you can't see the LCD outdoors. It's hard to believe this is the case.

5 upvotes
babalu

I agree, you can VERY WELL see the the image in the EVF outdoors, and it's invaluable at bright light conditions.

2 upvotes
MikeInRomsey

This is totally ludicrous. I have used it outside with no problems whatsoever. I was worried about the tearing issue but again have not experienced any issue when using the EVF. I do not wear glasses however and this may help.

6 upvotes
AlpCns2

I agree. I think maybe they meant the LCD is hard to see outdoors?

0 upvotes
AlpCns2

I agree. I think maybe they meant the LCD is hard to see outdoors?

0 upvotes
babalu

I think the scoring is a slap in the face of those who appreciate things like a tiltable EVF (which can be used in bright light conditions better than the rear LCD) and can also improve life for those who due to physical limitations cannot really crouch, squat, bend like young children anymore; and an electronic silent shutter that is not available in most of the compared brands. A gold award was due, I believe I am not alone in that assumption.

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5 upvotes
rpm40

A slap in the face? Over an arbitrary award for a camera? Come on now, you're taking it too seriously. Take a breath.

2 upvotes
babalu

Right. Arbitrary award is the right definition for this.

1 upvote
MGJA

This is silver, but Canon 70D is gold. Heh.

Really, I am ever more convinced that dpr just hands those out in order to maximize page reloads as irate fangurls battle it out in the comments. Fine, whatever puts food on their tables is a-ok with me.

10 upvotes
HelloToe

No kidding, these days Canon's APS-C cameras can't even keep up with the image quality of little MFT sensors. But I guess we have to keep the legions of Canon fanboys visiting the site!

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Dave Oddie

It's got IBIS and it's got an EVF which makes the camera far more useful than similar cameras that lack one or the other or both yet these have aspects of them listed in the cons?

IBIS is great and the fact you don't see a stabilised image from it is just how it works and how it has worked to the best of my knowledge on all IBIS based cameras including the Oly Pen cameras and it isn't listed as a con in the el p5 review so why here?

The EVF adds bulk? Well I have seen one of these cameras in the shops and its a very small camera regardless and it gives you the option of shooting in (to my mind) a far more natural way. External EVF's cost a lot and add even more bulk.

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pdelux

Non stabilised VF is a con probably because it is up against the EM-5 and not the PENs, however the P5 does have stabilised view

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Ray Sachs

I liked the GX7 a LOT, despite mostly being an Oly user since I got into m43 a few years ago (I really liked the GF1, didn't much like the GH2 or G3, and haven't spent much time with a Pany since until the GX7). But the stabilized viewfinder is a pretty big deal with longer lenses. When I first used the EM5 with the 100-300, this was a revelation. The whole view calms down and lets you much more easily pick out a focus point and lock focus on it. Before this, working at extremely long focal lengths was often more bother than it was worth unless you were using a tripod and a relatively stationary subject. I never got how great BIF shooters did what they did. The EM5, EP5, and EM1 all have this feature and it's an awesome feature. And when I had a GX7 for a month, the lack of EVF stabilization was the one negative I immediately noticed and was bothered by. This is a pretty big deal with long lenses...

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zigi_S

"No kidding, these days Canon's APS-C cameras can't even keep up with the image quality of little MFT sensors."

No matter what a score says. My canon apsc camera takes better photos than a 43 and m43 ever did. IQ is not only about sensor noise. Bigger format captures also more detail and colour information.

1 upvote
MarkyM

But the 100-300 has OIS so the view is stabilized even on my GX1. I have no trouble picking out a focus point.

0 upvotes
Alpha Whiskey Photography

I was curious about this camera when I heard it announced, but the IBIS and LIVE TIME functions on the Olympus EM5 are so useful to me that I don't regret my purchase. Having captured a variety of subjects with m4/3, I think this format is just great. My FX Nikon is a paperweight.

http://alphawhiskey.slickpic.com/photoblog/

1 upvote
fatdeeman

They damn it for the ibis, a bonus feature nobody would have even expected of a Panasonic m43 body 6 months ago, cheap move.

18 upvotes
Anfy

It would be interesting to compare GX7 IBIS to that of the newer Olympus cameras, i. e. the 5-axis system; once DPR made this kind of tests.
Maybe a future addition to the review?

2 upvotes
Raist3d

I think that answer is known- at least of which one will be better. The Olympus 5 axis will be undoubtedly better. By how much? Probably not all that much. Enough to be of difference I suppose.

0 upvotes
Impulses

Yeah, why was this not tested?

0 upvotes
Infared

R/ead this...It's SURPRISING!
http://tysonrobichaudphotography.wordpress.com/2013/10/17/the-gx7-vs-the-om-d-e-m5-battle-for-my-affection-round-1-ibis-evfs-lcds/

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Anfy

Yes, I already read the Tyson Robichaud article, and found the results surprising (I thought GX7 IBIS could be equal to E-M5, but not better, let alone vastly better). Kudos for Panasonic if this is true, but the E-M5 should fare a little better IMHO.
That was the main reason I was hoping in another test, this time by DPReview.

0 upvotes
cruz031

What's worth having a gold award camera if your imagination is ony worth a bronze? ;)

1 upvote
SirSeth

Or if the opinion of a reviewer is going to sour your milk because he dosn't validate your bias.

0 upvotes
JudgeDread

These silver/gold awards certainly are the most absurd ratings a technical review could ever use. This camera paired with a 20/F1.7 is really an excellent (maybe the best) sub FF mirrorless combo, really small, excellent rendition of human skin at high iso.

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petr marek

Agree, it is best M43 camera to date...

0 upvotes
Pixnat2

Why you people bother with Gold or Silver awards? This is very subjective.
The most important is reading the review and make your own mind.

2 upvotes
John Driggers

Oh yeah...the flash doesn't work in silent mode as a criticism???? Why, pray tell, would you want the flash to fire when you are being "stealthy?"

In fact, if the flash would fire, THAT would be a valid criticism.

There are just too many really dumb observations in this review.

41 upvotes
intruder61

exactly.

2 upvotes
Jeff Keller

I don't see how pointing out a trade-off of the e-shutter feature is a 'criticism'. It's not listed as a 'con' and rest assured that we're not knocking points off of the score because you can't use the flash in silent mode.

6 upvotes
MikeInRomsey

In fairness the review states that the flash wont work when the electronic shutter is selected. The electronic shutter can be used outside of the 'silent' mode.

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Raist3d

Because it's not a trade-off. It's part of the concept of silent mode as a feature.

A trade-off happens when you are losing something, compromising- whereas losing the flash in this context is not a disadvantage, but a complete advantage, as designed.

There is probably some photographer in a parallel universe that would have required the flash to fire in silent mode but that's probably one in several billion humans :-)

2 upvotes
babalu

Or, that the flash would be fired, but without light, as deems in silent mode.. :)
Really, the review tends to belittle the camera .

2 upvotes
M Irwin

If a flash goes off in silent mode in the woods, would anybody see it?

4 upvotes
Digital Suicide

Exactly. The same thing with cameras having "clickless" ring. Why on earth would you want to manual focus with ring that has steps...?

0 upvotes
Jorginho

I did notread the whole review, but I did read the part of the negative points. However: I cannot understand that this cam just gerts one point more than the Oly EP5. EP5 does not have an EVF (so no rainboweffects there..), EP5 has far worse video. EP5 has a shuttershock problem. And if EP5 menu is anything close to my EPL5 menu, it is clearly worse than even my GH2 menu. By far (can work with it though).

A remark like ËVF adds bulk to the camera...come on! That applies to any camera with any VF!

30 upvotes
alendrake

Now I get it - as long as Olympus didin't release a rangefinder styled calera, DPreview considers GX7 as a competitor for E-P5. And not to hurt the sales of Olympus, they had to give similar marks.

3 upvotes
John Driggers

Panasonic makes great cameras that are the be all, end all for video. Then they make a stills oriented camera (the GX7) and everybody moans about it not having every video capability (mic inputs, etc). If you want a video oriented camera go buy the one that's video oriented--that's not what this camera is supposed to be.The new Nikon doesn't even do video so it should get a score of 50-bet that doesn't happen. This effort to list as a disadvantage an aspect of a camera that's not part of it's design brief happens too often.

You don't know why a tiltable EVF is useful, as the LCD tilts? Guys, how useful is a tilting LCD when you are doing a low level shot in bright light and can't see the LCD? I bought this camera via preorder because it had both a tilting LCD and EVF. I was tired of using my tilting EVF from my PENs on my OMD-EM5 when the tilting LCD washed out in bright light. If you don't why having both viewfinders tilt is useful, don't embarrass yourself by telling us.

13 upvotes
yabokkie

very like GX1, marketed as a high end with compromised features.
don't know if it has same capacity for deep price plunge as GX1.

0 upvotes
panos_m

If you want to be successful in bashing a camera you have to say something that is believable, something near the reality but a little uncertain or something that can be difficult to prove. Saying that GX7 has compromised features won't work. Try harder.

15 upvotes
yabokkie

should stand in user's shoes and look for them again.
then you will see more and understand more.

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Raist3d

So yabokkie- what exactly are the compromised features of this camera?

3 upvotes
Impulses

Well, it does have a worse EVF than the G6, and IBIS could be more advanced... But I guess that's what the next GX model's for! Just hope Panasonic keeps the line alive.

0 upvotes
Raist3d

How does the EVF is worse than G6? (not a rhetorical question).

0 upvotes
Impulses

G6's OLED EVF suffers much less from the rainbow effect visible to some on field scanning EVF, and it's better sized for stills (vs video).

1 upvote
Raist3d

Thanks. I would have expected them about the same on that. Good to know.

0 upvotes
Aleo Veuliah

Should had a Gold Award, from what I have seen on other camera reviews.

But things are not linear in this reviews world.

17 upvotes
cornellra

Noted that the daylight and lowlight comparison pages are identical. Can that be fixed?

0 upvotes
Jeff Keller

Fixed, thanks for the catch.

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Najinsky

Remember Guys, the scores and awards are just DPR's own take on how it all comes together.

The real gem in these reviews is the effort DPR put into making it, and time spent documenting it in all those pages before the conclusions.

I remember the Ricoh GXR review, where it got a shockingly low score (bad DPR)

I had the GXR/A33 APS-C and it was fantastic. Great IQ, a belter of a lens, superb ergonomics with the twin control dial and grip. It was a great camera hidden inside an unusual and for some, flawed, concept.

The conclusions and scores were as much a reflection of DPR's take on the concept and what they chose to treat as its peers. But behind the scores it was all still there, in the detail of the review. Great IQ, great ergonomics and so on.

And so it is with this GX7 (which has hardly been given a bad score).

There's plenty in the review to help you reach your own conclusions. So just be happy all this work has been done for you, look at the detail and take what you need.

16 upvotes
Joel Halbert

First, I want to thank DPR and Jeff Keller for posting this review, despite the fact that "my camera" didn't quite get a Gold.

We all weigh pros and cons differently. For example, no Panasonic before (or Nikon or Canon or Fuji) has missed a Gold because it _has_ IBIS (in addition to most of its lenses having OIS) - but just not in preview or video mode(?!)

I do see most of the listed cons as minor - the pros may have been slightly under-appreciated.

Now specifically regarding the tilting EVF - it's a bit frustrating to read reviewers who can't fathom this feature. I find it to be a great help. Here is a thread where several of us addressed the topic:

Whys and Wherefores of a Tilting Viewfinder
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52233239

Also, I find the EVF to be very relaxing to use at the height of a sunny day here in AZ, clearly more so than using the screen. I have family in Seattle though; from my travels I understand that the screen may typically be more usable there.

3 upvotes
RichRMA

The minutiae of the GX7 is debatable but for people really interested in image quality, compare the only Pentax there, the K500 with anything in APS and smaller sensors and it's just far above them in all in RAW at ISO's of 400 and up. It's probably the one non-FF that you can set on Auto ISO and not worry about it.

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white shadow

I was looking anxiously for an upgrade to my GF1 but I think I may have to wait or get the E-P5.

I am not so concern about having an EVF but having one may be useful at times if it is good. In this case, the EVF is only "so-so" and worse, even suffer from "rainbow effect". Besides, the protruding eyecup gets in the way when one is trying to put it away in a pouch.

Panasonic's first attempt to include IBIS is not too good so the additional feature is a waste of time.

Although I shoot in Aperture Priority mode most of the time but I do shoot in P or Auto mode sometimes. Its tendancy to choose unnecessary smaller aperture while at these modes is disappointing.

Overall, its not too bad but would not convince me to rush in to buy one. Meanwhile, I will carry on using my faithful GF1 for Micro 4/3. The Oly EM-1 is tempting but maybe just a bit big for the format.

I may consider an E-P5 once I find out more about the "shutter shock" problem.

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0 upvotes
ageha

The IBIS in this one is actually pretty good, not a waste at all.

4 upvotes
cheddargav

No disrespect, but it's kind of sad that you would read this review and decide that the camera is not for you. It's really very very good. And the negatives they throw at it (as others have said, the comment regarding the added bulk of the EVF is just bizarre?)

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G Davidson

I think you should try it out in a store and see if the viewfinder is as bad (for you) as you fear. I personally prefer the E-P5/EM1 one a lot more, but you pay a price in size.

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Dennis

I tried both the Oly EM1 and the GX7 at Photoplus in October - the first time I'd seen either. The EM1 had a confusing array of buttons, like the EM5, but was more refined and the EVF was really nice. The GX7 was unimpressive and the EVF was very mediocre. It did not feel like a $1000 camera. Autofocus was sluggish and uncertain compared to the snappy EM1. I also tried the GM1 and thought it was too tiny with really fiddly controls. To my mind, Oly *is* micro 4/3 these days, at least for stills, with Panasonic appealing to video-oriented shooters.

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HelloToe

Now if only Olympus didn't charge an extra $300 to put an EVF on an E-P5. (And if you want a viewfinder that doesn't stick out from the body, forget Olympus entirely.)

1 upvote
blohum

Oly are currently running an offer for a free VF4 with an EP5 in the UK at the moment...

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HelloToe

Fat lot of good that does the rest of the world. I remember hearing about Oly UK running a free prime lens deal a while back, too.

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jerrysdean43

I totally agree it does not feel like a $1000.00 camera, I returned it after 1 day, I thought the efv was terrible, and the tilting feature added bulk to the camera. To be fair though this was my first and last experience with an evf, I just don't like them, if this is one of the best, they have a long way to go IMHO. I am looking at a 5ti, I miss an optical viewfinder. IMHO mirrorless is overpriced & only has a size & weight advantage.

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HelloToe

Gosh, that must mean that a lot of us really like having a smaller & lighter camera!

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jerrysdean43

I like a smaller and lighter camera also but I want the viewfinder to actually work and for $1000.00 I expect more quality. If I need to carry a larger bigger camera to use a working viewfinder and can track moving subjects that is the price one has to pay. Smaller and lighter and struggle with an evf or larger and heavier and able to use the optical viewfinder. Of course I am almost 70 years old and have been in photography for many years and have a lot of experience with optical viewfinders, a lot of photographers today probably have only used an lcd or evf to compose with. It comes down to a price/value ratio and for me the value does not outweigh the price.

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Dennis

Nothing wrong with liking the camera - it has its own unique set of features that no other camera has. But some people are griping because it didn't get "Gold" and I can fully understand it not getting gold; it doesn't feel as well put together as other cameras. There's nothing wrong with that ... two out of my three cameras have "Silver" ratings from dpreview. And one of them barely deserves that !

Generally, I agree with jerrysdean's comment that mirrorless is overpriced. It might sell better if it didn't cost more to go small. The Panny G series is probably the best deal going. Sony tried with the A3000 but the result is - apparently (I could kick myself for not finding one to try while at the expo) pretty lousy (EVF & LCD).

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srados

I do not own this camera and I agree there is review bias to some other brands.Sometimes DP is leaning to Fuji NIKON,Olympus cameras.I judge cameras by their picture quality and I do pixel peep.To my eye these sample images are comparable and better than Fuji...Fuji seem to me to be a hassle to operate with all mechanical failures (like stuck shutter leafs on some models unreliable WB and focusing). And this is all based from reviews and B&H and Amazon reviews as well...As I said I am not a troll, but I am trying to understand the sentiment of the testers and their preference towards cameras.All above brands,do pump up yellows and reds and maybe share similar sensors.

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harold1968

Fuji is one of the benchmarks for APS-c
Look harder

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Olymore

All the latest cameras with a large sensor are pretty good for IQ nowadays. In my opinion, unless you have specific needs (e.g. very low light) the important bits are things like the viewfinder, ease of use, functionality etc.
Coming from the film days I think Fuji have the best interface for basic functions (caveat, I don't own one) and I believe they have sorted a lot of the quirky behaviour in their earlier models with FW updates.

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lazy lightning

Good point Olymore. Just think how popular a Olympus camera would be with a large sensor!

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Olymore

Yes, it's only been the last five years that anybody has been able to take a decent quality picture. And then only with a FF camera. All those Nikon D70 and D90 and Canon APSC cameras were obviously useless as their sensors were the same or worse than current m43 cameras.

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Kurt_K

Do we even need silly awards and percentage scoring? I'd be happy with just the pros and cons list and the IQ test results. Pretty easy to make up my own mind from there. Oh, but I guess I'm forgetting that most of the folks here don't want to make up their own mind; they want the camera aficionados to make it up for them.

10 upvotes
Simon Joinson

you are free to just ignore the scores

26 upvotes
Digital Suicide

Pros and Cons list is personal (DPR's) point of view as well. You might find them different.

0 upvotes
panteraaa

I always ignore the score.

2 upvotes
babalu

Yes, I might ignore the scores from now on.

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LWW

I get my jollys just reading the comments - this font of knowledge is much more insightful than a any 'ole Dpreview review :-)

2 upvotes
Raist3d

I am it sure why this camera didn't get the gold. You get a built in evf at the usd $1k bracket, ability to focus in dark (-4 ev according to panasonic) and panasonic traditionally has the IS in their main lenses. Is ibis in light of this really that crucial? Is Ibis that crucial anyway?

Then it has the quite unique silent mode which as mentioned is great for street life- or even if you are shooting in a classic music concert or theater play. I don't get it.

Lack of in camera raw converter? (For the record, I love that feature myself but how many people really use it and is it really such a key feature to get out the gold?)

Don't understand.

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36 upvotes
BJN

And Panasonic does the touch interface very well.

9 upvotes
alendrake

Totally agreed. This camera is a leap forward from all previous G GF and GX models, with everything on right place and finally an EVF in small body. And the reason for not giving Gold are a bit ... well, lousy.

12 upvotes
alendrake

By the way, probably DP reviewer didn't know that Panasonic sells DMW-EC1 rubber eyepiece which "cuts extra light between the view finder and the eye and provides an excellent fit for both the naked eye and glasses".

http://panasonic.net/avc/lumix/systemcamera/gms/gx7/optional_accessories.html#eyecup

It costs 15$ , adds more bulk to the camera, probably easy to lose, but anyway NEX-6/7 they both seem to have same issues and same rubber cup solution, however it was not mentioned as a negative point in their reviews.

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Raist3d

alendrake- to be fair, the reviewer did mention the cup in the review.

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Treeshade

They do:
"...This makes the optional DMW-EC1 eyecup a must-buy, in our opinion."

About the award, it seems that DPR really don't like faults. Mediocre features get gold. Superb features with minor fault get silver.

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Impulses

What is in-camera-RAW conversion most used for? I'm curious what situation in comes in handy where shooting RAW+JPEG isn't a viable alternative... Genuine question btw since I've never had a camera with said feature. If I was gonna ding the GX7 for *not* having something it'd be weather sealing... Makes the choice between it and the EM5 just a little harder.

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Raist3d

For me in-camera raw conversion is good for a few reasons. One, I don't want to shoot JPEG+RAW all the time- takes more memory on the card, takes more time for the camera to flush the shot (this depends on camera model in a way that it impacts me or not).
Two, very often I want to experiment with the RAW file in several ways with different settings and see how flexible it is for post processing in the camera. Or I may want to get a JPEG ready to send someone.

If the camera has filters and effects (say, the Pentax Q, K-5), I like to experiment with some of them to get an idea of some of the overall treatment of the shot, what would work better, less better.

It all depends. Finally I like the idea of a camera system that does not really ultimately in a computer in case you are not carrying one around.

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alendrake

Raist3d, Treeshade - you're right, hence disregard the bulk of my second comment. However I still wonder, what makes the viewfinders of NEX-6/7 in terms of protecting from sunlight without eyecup.

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alendrake

I can't stop coming back to this slightly unfair conclusions in review: "...It's marred by a so-so viewfinder, lack of in-camera Raw conversion, and a disappointing in-body IS system".
DPReview team was equally disappointend in GH3 viewfinder. Moreover, what is better - to have a nicely working IBIS in photography mode, which doesn't activate in video and in liveview (GX7), or not to have any IBIS at all (GH3, all Canon, all Nikon DSLRs, you continue)? So why these issues were not in GH3 conclusion?

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deleted-13120401

Happy to see this - was waiting for the DR curve above anything else. Looks like a worthy upgrade to my trusty GX1 with nearly 2 stops more DR, and an i.Dynamic feature that actually does something measurable. Like the GX1 a lot and will keep it as backup, but the DR was starting to get on my nerves vs every other camera on the market today. Thanks!

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Baron LaCat

"This brings diffraction into place, which can noticeably soften images"

When does diffraction begin to appear ??
I just checked my GX7 jpeg images taken in P mode, and most seem to be around F7.1 to F8. At what focal length should I go into A mode and drop it down ??
Baron

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Brigcam

Nothing beats seeing for yourself, just go out on a nice day and take set of the same shot with different apertures.

Personally I felt that F8 was the sweet spot for 4/3s, the point of maximum lens sharpness before diffraction kicked in. That said diffraction up to around F16 isn't that big of a deal.

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wansai

for m4/3 optimal is F4/F5 and you should not see any problems at F8. Once past that, you'll start noticing softness pretty easily.

A good rule is to stick below F8 for the format, preferably around F5; which already brings pretty much everything into focus any way.

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white shadow

For landscape, I shoot mostly at f/5.6. F/8.0 maybe stretching it a bit. For portraits, I would usually use the wide open aperture at f1.8 or f2.0 using the 20mm f/1.7 or 45mm f/1.8 lenses.

It all depends on the lens. Most Micro 4/3 lenses are optimised to be used at the wider apertures. The 75mm f1.8 is excellent when shot at f/1.8.

Even the older (but the best) 14-45mm f/3.5-5.6 perform its best at the wide apertures below f/5.6.

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Hentaiboy

Still don't understand the awards. 79% & Silver when the Fuji X-M1 received 77% & Gold? And the Fuji had slow autofocus and mushy greens?

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marike6

Don't know if I agree with the GX7 scoring, but the X-M1 AF really is not slow, and it has superb IQ (Search Fujifilm X-M1 on Flickr).

No VF, but a great little camera.

X-M1 AF Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTXCJ9TmUIg

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Jimmy jang Boo

Fuji X-M1 got silver.

Truth be told, the DPR gold, silver and bronze designations are definitively meaningless. There's no podium, no metal, no reason nor rhyme. Someone, much like a magician, reaches inside a hat and pulls out a make belief award.

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AbrasiveReducer

I think the gold/silver thing distracts people from the individual scoring which really tells you something. For example, the Nikon Df will receive a gold award (with some reservations) so there's no point in sitting on the edge of your chair. What will be helpful is how the individual features are scored, and it's the same with this Panasonic.

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tsammyc

There is an error in the review. The built in flash can be used as a wireless master flash. I've successfully used it with the Metz MS-15. In the menu, there is a setting for "wireless flash"

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Danut Tiparu

I think that GX7 score is unfair. Same thing has happend with GH3, too.

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marike6

> Fuji X-M1 got silver.

No, the X-M1 received a Gold Award (copy-paste link below):

http://www.dpreview.com/search/?query=Fujifilm%20X-M1&product=fujifilm_xm1

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