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Nikon Df Review

December 2013 | By Richard Butler, Barney Britton
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Review based on a production Nikon Df

The Nikon Df is, at first appearance, the camera that many people have been asking for, for years - a classically styled DSLR with traditional external controls. But, for all Nikon's talk of a return to 'Pure Photography,' an awful lot of what's under the Df's confidently retro skin is pretty familiar. The Df is built around the 16MP full frame sensor from the company's flagship D4 with the processor and AF system borrowed from the comparatively affordable D610.

The camera's appearance is inspired by a much earlier generation of film cameras. In fact, from the front the Df looks like an oversized Nikon FM (and not dissimilar to Canon's F1N). And, as well as the styling and dedicated external controls, the Df's other nod to the company's history is the inclusion of a retractable meter coupling tab, allowing the use of pre-1977 non-AI lenses.

For those of us raised on film SLRs the effect is rather intriguing. We understand that the Df has been at least four years in the making, and the glee of its creators is almost palpable in the many specific design cues obviously taken from earlier SLRs including the FM/2 and the long-lived professional-targeted Nikon F3.

Nikon Df key features

  • 16 megapixel full-frame CMOS sensor (same as D4)
  • ISO 100-25,600 (expandable to ISO 50 - 204,800 equiv)
  • Maximum 5.5 fps continuous shooting
  • 39-point AF system with 9 cross-type AF points (same as D610)
  • 3.2-inch, 921k-dot LCD screen
  • Physical shutter speed, ISO and exposure compensation dials
  • Compatible with virtually all Nikon F-mount lenses (including pre-Ai standard)
  • Single SD card slot
  • EN-EL14a battery (quoted endurance of ~1400 exposures)

According to Nikon, the 'F' in Df stands for 'fusion' - specifically, fusion of the old and the new. We know all about the old - the 'retro' styling - which leaves us with the 'D'. This of course stands for 'Digital'. The Nikon Df boasts a full-frame sensor, 39-point AF system and a maximum shooting rate of 5.5 fps. The LCD on the rear of the camera is a 3.2", 921k-dot display and, despite its 'fully manual' pretensions, the Df boasts front and rear electronic control dials alongside the dedicated physical dials on the top-plate. It's a thoroughly modern DSLR for the most part, but with one major difference.

What, no video?

That major difference is video - the Df cannot shoot it (making it one of only two current DSLRs which don't - the other being the Sigma SD1 Merrill). In conversation with Nikon engineers, we were told that video was never on the table as an option for the Df, apparently as much a philosophical point as anything else. This is a serious camera for serious people which is to be used for 'pure photography', not videos (oddly though, the Df still boasts a full complement of retouch options including the decidedly lightweight fisheye and miniature effects).

While it's true that many potential Df owners might not care about video, if you can add a function, why not do so? Since it's based around a video-capable sensor and shares its image processor with a camera that can shoot video, it's reasonable to assume it could be added via firmware, but the question is probably academic, since the Df has no built-in microphone nor a jack for adding one. Equally, the Df's relatively low-capacity EN-EL14a battery wouldn't last terribly long, even if such a feature were enabled.

Df - a D4 in F3 clothing?

If you look beyond the Df's outward appearance, another aspect of its appeal is the relatively inexpensive access it gives to the image sensor used in the company's flagship DSLR, the D4. And while that's true, the omission of video and high-speed frame rates mean you don't get to take full advantage of its capabilities. Even without those aspects, the well-respected low-light capabilities of the D4's sensor should lend some appeal to the Df.

Viewfinder

The Df's optical viewfinder is very large - the same size as the D800. The magnification is 0.70x and, naturally, coverage is 100%. We've also shown the viewfinder of the film-era F3 here for reference. As you can see, the F3 offered an impressively large finder, and even the high eye-point viewfinder that glasses wearers tended to prefer was still larger than the Df's. When a DX lens is attached to the Df, the viewfinder shows frame-lines indicating the DX image area.

One real shame (although perhaps not a surprise) is the fact that the Df's focusing screen is fixed. We had hoped for an accessory split-prism focusing screen for manual focus, but it's likely that the additional cost and incompatibility with modern pattern metering modes ruled that out at the design stage. Instead the Df has Nikon's standard 'rangefinder' display in the viewfinder, which uses the autofocus sensor to indicate when it thinks the lens is correctly focused.

Kit options and pricing

The Nikon Df comes in two color options - silver and all-black, and in the USA, both will be available for $2749 body only. Nikon has created a special edition of its AF-S Nikkor 50mm F1.8G to match the 'retro' look and feel of the Df (optically it's identical to the standard version) and this is available separately for $279, or bundled with the Df for $2999.95.

The Df is being sold with a cosmetically reworked version of the AF-S Nikkor 50mm F1.8G, with some 'classic' (but entirely cosmetic) design accents to match the look of the new camera.

In the UK, the Df is available only as a kit with the 50mm lens, at a suggested price of £2749.99 - only £50 less than the recommended price of the 36MP D800 and revamped 50mm F1.8. Unlike the US figure, this includes 20% VAT, but that still works out as around the equivalent of $3660, even if you take this into account. That said, prices change at different rates in different markets so, once the initial rush of customers has subsided, the prices might begin to look less unreasonable.


If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

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GPW

I applaud DPREVIEW for their honest review, and not catering to the people who might get upset because it's not what they wanted to hear, it is what it is.

4 upvotes
ravduc

It is what it is for these reviewers but not necessarily for all reviewers and users. You are giving DPR too much credibility without even looking at what other reviewers have said. They are not the Holy Grail of reviewers.

5 upvotes
G1Houston

Thom Hogan's review largely agrees with DPreview's.

1 upvote
ravduc

I really don't think so since he has chosen to keep one for himself.

1 upvote
G1Houston

"I always look at what could have been, what should have been, as well as what we received. I don't think Nikon got the Df right, frankly. That doesn't make it a bad camera, it just makes it a disappointing camera to what it could have been."

He listed the reasons why some people may like it, but he also pointed out many issues in the Df showing evidence that it was rushed to the market before it is ready.

0 upvotes
mike kobal

interesting to see so many comments about af performance and very few complaining about the exposure compensation dial on the wrong side and to rub salt into the would - you need to unlock it before you can turn it, now THAT was the real deal breaker for me. Most current DSLR's and ILC's have it on the right hand side, it won't matter if the Df is you only camera but using it as a second body on a shoot this sure throws a wench in your workflow

2 upvotes
wetsleet

In case you hadn't noticed, this camera is not looking towards "most current DSLR's". It looks back, to non-current non-D SLRs. Back then the compensation dial was on the left, forming part of the ISO selection mechanism, and it locked.

2 upvotes
mike kobal

of course. what was I thinking......
as logical as pairing drum brakes with Ducati's 851 engine

3 upvotes
Zamac

Ha! Not everyone even had an exposure dial. For 25 years I used an OM-1 where exposure compensation was moving the exposure pointer off centre. Before that it was Sekonic.

5 upvotes
G1Houston

" It looks back, "

it is indeed backward looking.

1 upvote
sandy b

And forward as it has as good IQ as any camera available, and better AF in any camera except Nikons 51 pt.

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wetsleet

@mike
in your sarcasm you overlook the essential: it is the the camera's control layout and ergonomics which hark back, whilst its technology is modern. So your analogy with drum brakes, an old technology, is inappropriate.
If you would have the Df ape the modern camera's control paradigm then very little would be left of its 'retro' appeal.
If you don't like the control and ergonomics of a 30-40 year old design I can well understand, but to criticise a camera, whose aim is to reanimate that design, for succeeding in that aim, seems odd.

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Aleo Veuliah

This is a camera that I don't need any review to buy it. The look and the specs are enough for me to buy it without doubts.

Extremely Well Done Nikon.

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5 upvotes
HBowman

Aleoluyaaa

1 upvote
Digital Suicide

So why you're here? :)

4 upvotes
MPA1

If only money was so unimportant to all of us....!

1 upvote
kadardr

I used to be a marketing guy and one of the anticompetitive strategies was repositioning the competitor product.
From the pros and cons Df is much worse than D610, lame, out of style, there is an imbalance of sensor, processor, and af speed and coverage, it is out of anything, especially of scope. Cheap selection of materials, bad handling, too expensive.
From the review I envisage Nikon Df to be a camera for meticulous old farts with a bunch of old Nikon lenses. This vision simply cannot be true. There is no company on earth that want to put such a product on the market.

It is obvious that this time the review went too far.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

And still the Df is better at high ISO lowlight shooting than the D610.

"Cheap selection of materials", huh? So you've not handled it then. Magnesium is not cheap to work with.

1 upvote
ravduc

I don't think that you can say that they used cheap material. The camera is extremely well put together. The battery door thing is an exception. I haven't had any problems with this and I would think that most are not having any problems. Handling is excellent as far as I am concerned and I use quite a few dslr's. The handling is just different which doesn't equate to poor handling. The reviewers imho do not understand the essence of this camera. My only complaint with the camera is the price. They could have priced it lower, instead they decided to make into an exclusive item.

0 upvotes
tjbates

I'm all for the retro approach to modern digital cameras, but I just walked past the window of my local camera store where the Df sat next to the latest lineup of retro cameras and the Df looked cheap and a little silly - like a wedding cake of buttons and dials. I don't know why, but the silver finish - to me looks cheap. That said, I'd love to try it out but with poor low light AF it wouldn't make it onto my Santas list.

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kadardr

I wanted to say that I do not believe Nikon wanted to screw up everything of this camera. I do not believe that the AF is failure. Simply too much criticism only to bring the df down.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

kadardr:

So you've not used the body? Many people in these comments think the AF is good in lowlight, me included. And I've shot with it--albeit only test shots.

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HowaboutRAW

tjbates :

Looks can deceive. Looks "cheap" doesn't mean made on the cheap.

Test the lowlight AF yourself.

0 upvotes
AlexBakerPhotoz

I still have a Nikkormat EL and some classic pre-AI lenses from the early '70s - 135mm f/2.8, 55mm f/3.5 Macro, 50mm f/1.4, so when the Df was announced, I was pretty excited about it. But now that I have calmed down some I realize that my D600 (dust problem all fixed now) is really wonderful. I traded my D7000 for a Sony Nex-6 that fits in my pocket and amazingly I got a Fotodiox adapter that allows me to use all the old Nikon lenses on the Nex-6! So I'll pass on the Df, but I think it was courageous of Nikon to make it. If anything, I may wind up getting a D7100 as a backup for the broader AF area and no anti-aliasing. If I were starting all over from scratch, I'd have to say the new FF Sony's sure look tempting.

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HowaboutRAW

Great if those Nikon DSLR bodies work for you, why would anybody jump at the Df except for lowlight high ISO shooting, or I guess if you didn't already own a good FF DSLR?

0 upvotes
JDThomas

If all you're looking for in the D7100 as a backup is broader AF area and no AA filter, save yourself some money and get the D5300. Basically a D7100 in a tiny body.

I like mine a lot. Not as a main camera of course, but as a secondary camera.

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Matt

Who are those people who cant do "pure" photography unless some modern controls are stripped away from their camere?

"Oh noz, I cant take good photos because my camera offers all those features that I dont want to use but must use!"

give me a break. If someone is such an accomplished photogrpaher that the pure thought of modern controls ruins their photos, then either give it up or put your D800 rig in M and MF or whatever else.

The ultimate idiocy is the use of a cable release instead of a wireless remote shutter release. if someone is so stuck in the past that they must use a cable remote release and by doing so risk vibrating their camera slightly instead of a RF or IR remote release that would assure the camera isnt shaking then its pretty clear that the retro camera is just a fad to show of that they are some photo master because they dont use any modern gizmos that would distract their superior artistic skills. Those people should give it up

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Jogger

I dont think Nikon implied "can't" sounds like you just made that up.

0 upvotes
Samuel Dilworth

Matt: look up how a Bowden cable transmits energy. Used right, a cable release transmits no appreciable vibration.

Additionally:
• it’s non-proprietary and works with other cameras
• it’s dirt-cheap
• it’s tiny and weighs almost nothing
• it requires no batteries
• it lasts forever
• it doesn’t need fixing.

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Matt

@Samuel:

Why would I attach a cable to my camera risking to jerk or vibrate it just for the sake of "Hey look at me, I am so retro and artistic!".

To give up technological benefits just to look retro-hip seems a bit silly to me ...

Its dirt cheap? Great but if you cant foot $20 for an RF remote, maybe buying that cool retro camera was a poor choice to begin with ....
A RF remote is small and weighs also almost nothing. If you can lug around a retro hip camera and a tripod (and I am sure we not be using carbon as thats not retro and would take away our artistic skills ;) ) than an RF remote will do
great it uses no batteries, but your camera does anyways and batteries in IR remotes last years, so thats hardly a concern.
it doesnt need fixing until you bugger up the threads or kink it ...
You know if you must screw a cable release in your retro styled camera to take really artistic pictures, then great. Whatever helps.
For my part I will use all features that help me taking photos.

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Samuel Dilworth

Matt, I have no interest in “retro” and in fact dislike it. I am interested in functionality. For me, the traditional cable release is more functional for the reasons I mentioned (and by “doesn’t need fixing” I meant it was a solution to the problem that didn’t need to be changed).

I’m not obsessed with this, mind you. It’s just another small aspect of camera design that manufacturers changed to follow fads or make more money, rather than to thoughtfully improve usability.

0 upvotes
justmeMN

The camera wasn't good enough to get an Award, but DPR should have at least given it a Participation Ribbon. :-)

3 upvotes
Jogger

It didnt get an award because there arent any DSLR shooters left on the DPR review team.

3 upvotes
retro76

I didn't get an award because it doesn't do video lol, you know the feature that every photographer secretly can't live without (rolling eyes)

1 upvote
D1N0

Maybe it should get the booby award. But dpreview doesn't have that. I would say Gold IQ and back to the drawing board.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton

It didn't get an award because the reviewers didn't end up loving the camera. Simple as that. I can't wait for the Df2 though, if and when it appears.

4 upvotes
babalu

@Barney
Thanks, I call that a clear statement .

0 upvotes
D1N0

Clearly Nikon wants everybody to buy a D800. A D800 functionality body with d600 size with a 24mp kick ass sensor is what Nikon should have made. Use a scaled down version for the 24mp aps-c sensor and the longed for D400 is also a fact.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Drop the requests for more mega pixels in this body.

As you clearly already know, Nikon has bodies with full frame sensors with a greater MP count.

0 upvotes
D1N0

When you would have read my post comprehensively you would have known that I am not requesting this body at all. I could care less how many mega pixels it has.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

D1NO:

Reread what you wrote above. You specifically asked for a D800 with a "24MP kick ass sensor". That is a request for more mega pixels.

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D1N0

you said "in this body" meaning Df. I don't care about the Df, not even with more mp. Nikon should have made a different Camera. That was my point.

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HowaboutRAW

D1NO:

And a "D800" that's actually good at high ISOs would have a pixel count of from 12MP to 14MP--not the more MPs you asked for.

The request for a different body is fine, the request for more MPs is not.

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D1N0

The d800 is very good at high iso. Almost as Good as the D4. The greatest con of 36mp is slower operation and large file sizes, not noise.

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HowaboutRAW

D1N0:

No the D800 is not anywhere near the high ISO performance of the D4. It's a preposterous claim, and it's tiresome to see it repeated. That's why I spent the effort responding a month later.

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photo perzon

Nikon should make a smaller AFS retro for the rest of us.

2 upvotes
Nukunukoo

True. It's called "Fuji"... ;-)

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4 upvotes
Digital Suicide

Can you mount AI lens on your "Fuji"?

0 upvotes
Jonathan F/2

Umm, actually you can.

1 upvote
rhlpetrus

Hmm, the X-Pro? No thanks, feels awful in my hands. And ugly as well.

0 upvotes
JimmyDP

I assume that pro's will not buy this as their go to camera. However, looks as if it makes a great backup to the D4 since it sports the same sensor. If I were a "pro" my first choice would be the D4 as my living would depend on it. And, as a "pro", you have to have a backup. Try telling a "the bride" "Sorry folks, I have to go back to the studio ...". Your next camera would be a point & shoot.

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JDThomas

I'm a pro. And I bought one as my go-to camera. I have no need for a D4. I shoot lots of different things and while the D4 is a nice camera my living doesn't depend on having one.

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Jogger

I think a lot of the hurt is because the likes of Sony, Panasonic, Oly, etc.. would absolutely kill to be able to sell a $2700 SLR/ILC camera body. They simply cant because no one would buy one from them... although, Sony is doing well with their RX1/r.

I also suspect the Df will easily outsell the flagships from those companies as well.. let me know when these companies start profiting from their ILC cameras.

2 upvotes
Pritzl

So it's a Frankencamera?

Such a shame to handicap such a great sensor with so-so AF and confused manual controls. I just hope that this is not the last foray into retro design because with a little more thought (e.g. non-locking, better placed dials and removal of the redundant mode dial) the directness of control would have been nice.

2 upvotes
optic67

i dont recognise the camera in this review , mine is fantastic and performs superbly , especially in low light

7 upvotes
nikheat

You obviously dont use your camera in low enough light, my D600 struggles to AF in low light situations my D4 has no problems in, and so the Df sensor and its AF are mismatched in my opinion.

I would love a camera in the Df form factor if it could AF in low light better, no point of a great low light sensor if the AF reduces your chances of low light focus. The D4 is just a bit to bulky for for band photography in small venues. The D600/610 has very good low light performance up to ISO3200 and costs half the price. Function is more important than aesthetic, and the sensor to AF mismatch in the Df kills it for me, so sticking with D600 and D4.

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Bamboojled

@nikheat
The focusing system on the Df is improved over the D600 as EVERY review has said.
So once again we have individuals that have never shot the Df giving their opinion.
Interestingly no other reviewer has had any issues with the Df focusing

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HowaboutRAW

@nikheat:

The D610 is not half the price of the Df, really now. (Don't here claim you referred the D600--no one in his right mind will buy one of those, hence the discount.)

And frankly for a full framed DSLR ISO 3200 is not considered high ISO any more.

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JDThomas

I haven't finished my review yet, but I have had some issues with the Dƒ AF in low light. It could be better. The far AF points are especially prone to hunting in low light.

Since the AF array is so cramped, for concerts I've resorted to focus/recompose anyway, so using the center AF point (which works great in low light) is the only logical workaround.

I like my Dƒ a lot, but it isn't perfect. Really the weakest link in my book is the AF.

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Bamboojled

The focusing points on all DSLR's are weakest at the edges, that's a given.
The review did not specify the far edges, it said focusing in low light was poor (as in all Points)
Based on your comments the center points focus fine in low light.
So I believe this is where you and the review differ.

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JDThomas

The far focus points on the Df are worse than on any other camera I've used. In my opinion that makes it poor for focusing in low-light. Yes, the center point is fine. But if I can ONLY use the center point in low-light, which is what I shoot 80% if the time then YES. The AF is poor.

My assessment of whether an AF system works is based on the AF system as a whole, not bits and pieces. And on the whole the AF kind of sucks in low light.

You're so insistent on calling people out about this. Let me ask you, how many times have you used the Df in a low light situation? And I mean a real working situation, not strolling around the block at night.

3 upvotes
Cailean Gallimore

So it's a triumph of form over function.

Good to know.

9 upvotes
drummercam

Yes, obviously:
"The Nikon Df is a product that's as much about invoking nostalgia as it is about capturing the moment."

1 upvote
mpgxsvcd

Is this the first camera that Dpreview didn’t even give a Silver or Gold award to?

4 upvotes
drummercam

They had a gold stamp on it for a while, at least. I saw it. Maybe it was pulled.

0 upvotes
marike6

No. The Pentax K-01 and the Nikon V1, the first mirrorless camera that with a quality PDAF system and blazing fast processing/fps got zero love from reviewers.

But in general, almost every half way decent camera gets at least a Silver Award. But with Amadou seemingly gone, and few DSLR shooters on staff I expect we'll see more negative reviews like this one to come.

8 upvotes
Bamboojled

@marike6
Wow you hit the nail, the reviews on this site definitely have a slant to them.

1 upvote
Barney Britton

@ marike6 - you've been trolling our reviews for years - do you need me to explain our scoring system to you again?

8 upvotes
JakeB

Wow.

marike6 officially called out as a troll.

Well done, Barney, for exposing that tiresome know-it-all.

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Digital Suicide

Thanks DPR for the right review. Got your final words. They speak to me in only way: D610 is much clever choice (for me).

6 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

The D610 a good camera, but not great above ISO 10,000 and not on sale for $1200.

Consider too the Canon 6D.

And suggestion: Handle a Df.

1 upvote
Nukunukoo

Seriously, how many DSLR people will use anything above 3200 regularly?

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HowaboutRAW

Nukunukoo:

Many do, or would like to. That you don't isn't important to the general point.

In the 35mm film era until about the year 2002, ISO 400 was the limit for colour film. Higher ISOs existed but had real problems--particularly in lowlight.

Then came decent Kodak ISO 800 colour film. So by your logic you'd never go above ISO 800 with a DSLR.

Technology moves on.

2 upvotes
Digital Suicide

What is wrong with people obsessed with huge ISO numbers?
I don't need 10'000. It's ridiculous. And why would you offer me canon for my MF Nikkor lenses?

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rhlpetrus

@Nukunukoo: just any dark venue where you need high SS to freeze action, like ballet, concerts, etc., especially with longer lenses. Actually, ISO 3200 is the minimum requirement for such shooting.

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dyoon153

I'm not a pro but enthusiast... I don't carry any flash nor use on-camera ones that often either, and often I cannot carry tripod around (it's too burdensome after off-work shooting) Which means I occasionally have higher ISO settings (3200, 6400, 12800, sometimes higher on extreme cases). I'm not obsessed in numbers, but good high ISO performance is a perk for someone like me to keep on shooting..

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HowaboutRAW

Digital Suicide:

Higher ISO numbers make for better lowlight shooting, like concerts. Or higher shutter speeds for things like indoor sporting events. This is all really obvious. And in fact 35mm film had advantages over digital, until about the year 2003 when digital's higher ISO capacity permanently won the race. Yet again: Technology moves on and improves, irony Kodak TV screen tech is about to replace all monitors.

You didn't say that you were limited to Nikon. Right the D610 is a plenty good camera.

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the Mtn Man

I love the retro styling. This might be the perfect anti-theft camera design. What thief is going to want to steal what at first glance looks like an obsolete, 35mm film camera that wouldn't fetch more than $10 at the pawn shop?

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Red5TX

Thieves are smarter than you think.

5 upvotes
audijam

they use dpreview you know....geez

4 upvotes
stevens37y

a nostalgic thief

6 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

stevens37y:

Kinda think most thieves are interested in a quick sale.

0 upvotes
nikonhudson

Rating this review, I give it a 62% with no bronze, silver or gold award. The quality of reviews on DPR has declined and this one hits bottom.

5 upvotes
JakeB

Or you could stop being a child and provide REASONS why you disagree with dpreview's assessment.

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Maji

How about the speed of AF in low light... here is an excerpt from an Df user shooting a gig in low light - "Ray your question is most important - how is autofocus in low light. Tonight I shot with stage lighting and the Df felt quick and responsive in both focusing and tracking and very similar to the D800 or D3s. After tonight (stage lighting of course), my confidence level in Df focus ability went way up. Only a handful of images were out of focus and it was because of user error and small grip (my thumb came off the af-on button)."

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3594551#forum-post-52746911

I think DPR may have gotten a faulty camera. I can't believe Nikon's QC will be sloppy after the other problems they faced recently.

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PicOne

How does one digest the apparent contradictions?

"Conclusion - PROs
...Good blend of traditional and contemporary controls
...Fairly accessible menu system, considering the camera's complexity

Conclusion - CONs
...Locking exposure comp dial is inconvenient (especially with large lenses)
...Front command dial not terribly comfortable to use
...No two-button card format option
No 'live' aperture control in live view mode presents inconsistencies between lens types
No time-lapse option (available on D610)
No infrared remote trigger option"

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rhlpetrus

Re AF, maybe reading this thread would help people get a better perspective:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52746911

1 upvote
mpgxsvcd

For the people who want a camera like this it is perfect. For the people who don't there are so many other options. That sounds like a success to me.

4 upvotes
agentul

"a camera like this" meaning "interesting looking but of poor quality build and without basic functions like battery level indicator"? all for $2750 before tax? perfect indeed.

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marike6

> without basic functions like battery level indicator

Of course the Df has a battery level indicator, just no percentage of charge left. It also gets an extremely high number of shots per charge (CIPA 1400), something I didn't see mentioned in the review.

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Samuel Dilworth

Page 4, marike6. They even mention the necessary caveat (which you omit): the CIPA battery-life test fires any built-in flash every second shot, and the Nikon Df has no built-in flash, so its 1400-shot rating is not directly comparable with the CIPA numbers of cameras with built-in flash units.

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stevens37y

"For the people who want a camera like this it is perfect."
Theory Of Relativity of the camera world.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

mpgxsvcd:

I like this camera plenty, but see some problems: No separate SD compartment, a battery door that interferes with a tripod mount, having to send it into Nikon to have the screen changed and in some situations, particularly with the silver body, I can imagine having difficulty reading the knobs. So that list means that it’s not “perfect” to someone, me, who really likes the camera.

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marike6

@Samuel Dilworth

Yes the Df has no flash which contributes to the extremely high 1400 shot rating. That said, DPR complains about the lack of a battery percentage meter (causing confusion like above), but unlike Thom Hogan in his Nikon Df review, they don't mention the excellent battery life it gets from such a small battery. Kind of an odd omission wouldn't you say?

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Samuel Dilworth

That the battery charge isn’t described as a precise percentage doesn’t matter to me. There’s no pressing need for that kind of granularity. Evidently DPReview thinks slightly differently, which is hardly an unforgivable difference of opinion. The reader can make up her own mind.

In real life most of us chimp and check histograms and autofocus five times before we take a shot, and we almost never use a built-in flash. In this kind of usage, it would surprise me if the Df lasts any longer than a D600 or D800 – or even as long – but hey, maybe pushing fewer pixels really does offset the lower energy capacity.

Apparently the Df’s battery life wasn’t remarkable enough, one way or the other, to make the conclusions page.

0 upvotes
JDThomas

I use the percentage meter A LOT. If you shoot all day music festivals or sporting events it's a very handy feature to have.

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marike6

From Page 11

"...but the Df costs as much as the D800, *which* does include the more sophisticated 51-point Mulit-Cam 3500FX system."

Nikon D800 $2996
Nikon Df $2746

Adding emphasis via italics can help drive a point home, but it won't make a false statement more true. :-) But seriously, why the claim that the Df is the same price as the D800?

2 upvotes
xpanded

In Europe the Df is almost 50% more than the D800.

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marike6

Yes in Europe. In the US, where DPR is mostly based these days and has a Gear Shop, the Df does not cost as much as the D800. Not sure why the reviewers are making this confusing claim in the region where they are based.

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Samuel Dilworth

B&H Photo or Amazon price for Nikon D800: $2,796.95
B&H Photo or Amazon price for Nikon Df: $2,746.95

That’s a difference of only fifty bucks.

In Europe prices are set by the retailers (competition law and all that), so initial prices are always very high. The Df price will collapse after the first few months, as the price of all recent Nikon cameras and lenses has done after the early adopters pay through the nose and availability improves.

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marike6

The D800 released at $2996 and the D800E at $3296.

The D800 price of $2,796 on B&H you are quoting is a special "Instant Savings" for the holidays, something you didn't mention.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/842926-REG/Nikon_D800_D_800_SLR_Digital_Camera.html

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Toccata47

I know three pro's that are using a df to at least back up a d4, (in one case replace). All three circumvent the retro dials in favor of manually programmed buttons and menu diving.

I think this is probably an excellent camera despite the handling hiccups, but the "pro" column in the summary here seems rather well padded, not something I expect to see in a dpr review.

Classic styling
Good blend of traditional and contemporary controls
Gives sensible choice for using aperture ring or command dial
Fairly accessible menu system, considering the camera's complexity
Screw-in shutter release socket
In-camera Raw reprocessing

6/12 pro's seem either superfluous, subjective, obvious or even dubious. Given the tone of the review I'm quite surprised to see the camera score as highly as it has.

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marike6

If anything a number of the Cons are padded and completely dubious:

* SD card slot under camera awkward for tripod work
* No two-button card format option
* No time-lapse option
* 1/4000th sec maximum shutter speed

These things are true for tons of cameras. I mean the 6D, D600, X-E1, X-Pro1 have the same 1/4000 max shutter. 1/4000 is typical for this class of camera. Heck the Nikon F2 and FM maxed at 1/1000 so a retro Df with 1/4000 makes complete sense. But they needed to find "Cons" to fit their narrative about this camera.

In the Pro section they absolutely should have added:
* Extremely quiet shutter
* Class leading battery life of CIPA 1400 images
* Smallest, lightest FF DSLR on the market

And THE most surprising omission from the "Pros" list:

* Lowest noise high ISO performance of any camera to date including the previous low-light king the Nikon D3s (See DxOMark sensor ratings)

But they had a set narrative and stuck with it.

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Horshack

Maybe those cons were listed because they're expected features on a $2,750 body but not on bodies costing much less?

Would a reviewer for a Porsche 911 use the same criteria for cons as he would for a Toyota Camry?

* Fits only two people
* Suspension too stiff
* Trunk is small
* Cup holder can't accommodate a Big Gulp
* Poor gas mileage

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Samuel Dilworth

If I hear another weak car analogy I’m going to throw myself under the wheels of the next passing skateboard.

2 upvotes
Biowizard

Lack of time lapse is fairly obvious, considering that video is not supported. Or did you mean an intervalometer? Which is different. And thanks to the threaded shutter button, should be easy to arrange with any number of third-party, mechanical devices.

Brian

0 upvotes
VBLondon

I have a Df I am delighted with. I do think this is a good and useful review.
I happen to value the Pros of the Df and not really care about the Cons identified.
That weighting is a personal preferences, DPR's overall conclusion reflects the reviewers' judgement (and I guess the price), which is fair.

I've found the AF in low light just as good as the D3S I had before, but, to be fair, I think that's only using the centre focus point.

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retro76

Dpreview, I used to worship your reviews, but I feel as though bias now plagues your site. A site that praises the SL1 which uses a dated sensor that can't even produce the dynamic range of many mirrorless models ( a glorified repackages T3i from years ago). A site which gives praise to Olympus mirrorless models which also have quite a steep 'retro' tax applied and many models continue to suffer from shutter shock which in my experience with the EM5 led to countless OOF shots. I don't own the DF, but I can't help to feel as though their is inconsistency and/or bias in your reviews. I dunno, maybe I am wrong, if so I do apologize in advance.

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plevyadophy

Well they scored the camera over 80%, and you're still whining?!! Wow!! That's a darn sight more than I would have scored it. I think the cam is a mess. Great concept, great looks, great compatibility with old lenses (notwithstanding the lack of interchangeable focus screens), but overall poor in execution (e.g. what's with the falling off battery door?!, the mismatched materials on the top plate of the silver version, and why can't Nikon still not get live view right?!!!)

I think this cam is Nikon's "Fuji X100 moment".

Now the fact that you whine about bias, and Fourt Thirds fanboys whine about bias (in favour of Canikon), and Sigma fans whine too, tells me that there is no real bias here at DPReview, and that they are obviously getting things right overall.

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Tonio Loewald

Can't really say dpreview is biased against nikon or retro cameras, but i do agree it's a tad inconsistent. Frankly, I think "value" should be set aside when rating things — prices change. Is this a good camera or not?

Many of the criticisms stand, even ignoring price: why use an inferior AF system? Front command dial is poorly designed. Design of back is inconsistent with rest of camera.

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retro76

plevyadophy, i am not whining, nor am I biased. I have owned too many brands to be biased. You yourself admitted to the inconsistency - that they scored it 80% and yet listed a ton of CONS with the camera and admitted at the end they really didn't like it.

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Bamboojled

What is funny is that the inferior focusing system as many are stating, is still far more advanced than pretty much all cameras reviewed by DPreview from Olympus, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, Ricoh, and even over some Nikon and Canon models.
So everyone that is making comments on the focusing system and have never used the focusing of the D610 or Df have no clue as to how accurate it is.

0 upvotes
Barney Britton

Every time we post a review that is perceived as unusually positive or negative, the accusations of brand bias start flying. If you actually track the specific conspiracy theories, we're supposedly anti-Canon, pro-Canon, anti-Nikon but also biased in favor of Nikon, we were anti-Olympus for a long time (until Olympus started making really good cameras, oddly, at which point we were pro Olympus)....

It's all very tedious.

6 upvotes
JDThomas

"It's all very tedious."

Welcome to the interwebs Barney.

1 upvote
whawha

You have to be truly insane to buy a £2700 camera with lousy autofocus and bits that fall off...

17 upvotes
marike6

The Df doesn't have "lousy AF". Lousy AF would be something like the original Fujifilm X-E1, one of DPR's Gold Award cameras. Sighs. The X-E1 AF even after the firmware update is pretty mediocre in ALL kinds of light. Using a consumer grade camera like the D600 or Df, it's a question of knowing when to use the center AF point (or one of the other 8 cross-type sensors).

But I do agree that the UK price is high. In the US, the Df is absolutely NOT the same price as the D800 as the review incorrectly states, its $250 less.

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Bamboojled

What is funny is that the inferior focusing system as many are stating, is still far more advanced than pretty much all cameras reviewed by DPreview from Olympus, Sony, Fuji, Panasonic,
Ricoh, and even over some Nikon and Canon models.

So everyone that is making comments on the focusing system and have never used the focusing of the D610 or Df have no clue as to how accurate it is.

2 upvotes
Coliban

I find this Review close to reality and the main issues DPR is complaining are the same features i am missing: The too small AF-Area. The AF-Module from the D610 (Low ISO and problems with the AF??). And, for me, one of the severe issues ist the fixed focus screen, and, very ridiculous, no split-prism focus screen. That the..., is the sense in building a camera also for manuell and old lenses without a split-prism focus screen? Had Nikon never tried to screw a Zeiss lens on a Nikon and tried to focus with a shallow focus area of several mm? I do not understand this. This camera is in the right way but Nikon stopped at the wrong milestone. And the dimensions like depth could be a little more Analog like, a little bit less.

Nevertheless, i think 81% percent is not quite fair, about 90% this camera has deserved more, it still has one of the best sensors. It is a step in the right direction, but i will wait until the DF2.

1 upvote
Revenant

81% may not look impressive, but according to DPR's explanation of their scoring system, everything above 80% is "outstanding". I don't think any camera have ever been given a 90% score.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

Coliban:

With the D700 one could send the body into Nikon for a screen swap. The Df sure looks the same.

I don't own the Df, but I've tried it and had no particular problem with lowlight AF. Manual focus is pretty easy too.

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Ryan Harkin

> No infrared remote trigger option

Interesting that you should mention this. It's something I was surprised by when I moved from a D50 to a D300S. I would have thought that the IR sensor should be present in higher models, but it never has been.

Looking back, I don't see it listed as a "con" in the D300S, D600 or D800 reviews.

More surprising, you didn't mention the lack of 10-pin connector or the poor positioning of the accessory port for those who use an L-bracket.

And as a Df owner, I mostly agree with the conclusions.

However, I don't have a problem with my battery door falling off. And the position doesn't seem to be a problem when I use a tripod. But time will tell on that one.

I haven't noticed a problem with AF, it outperforms my D300S in terms of speed. But perhaps my expectations are lower having not used a wide variety of cameras? The poor coverage is the biggest drawback, IMO.

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babalu

Why isn't there an award ? I am interested in the reason for not qualifying the camera with an award, like most other cameras .

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agentul

for awards to exist, there have to be some losers in the competition. unfortunately modern western society has imposed the idea that even participation deserves an award, in effect rewarding mediocrity and rendering awards meaningless.

0 upvotes
InTheMist

81 is pretty good. But they just didn't like it overall.

I'm ok with that.

I disagree, tho.

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babalu

@agentul
Thanks, interesting statement, really.
Still, I'd like to know the real reason for not establishing an award for this camera.
The final conclusion space seems void without that award.
I cannot help think that the feeling was : either Gold or nothing . In the given situation this camera , running as quite unique -and maybe without a planned sequel at this point in time - may indeed not warrant an award, having no direct concurrence . Was that the reason?

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agentul

i think the reason was the impression the camera left on the reviewer: good image quality, but badly designed and built for the money.

i would have liked to see the Df get a good review. i'm actually disappointed that Nikon believes design omissions at that price deserve to be looked over because of nostalgia or trendiness. i mean, i would expect a $2,750 camera to not receive complaints on the build quality. quite the contrary.

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snow14

it may be beauty in past but it looks ugly as hell today

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mma173

I call this camera Ken Rockwell's edition :D

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marike6

From Preview day, I knew DPR was going to give this camera a bad review but few could foresee that they would totally pile on ridiculously pedantic Cons like:

* No two-button card format option
* No time-lapse option

But if it has the same AF module as the D610 and D7000 I can't imagine AF would be any different. Besides in extremely low-light the center point AF point (or other cross-type sensor points) is your friend.

Anyway, just like I take their Gold Awards for mediocre cameras like the SL1 or the absurdly small GM1 with a grain of salt, I'd be inclined to take this Df review with similarly small grain of salt. After all, when you call a camera "silly" on Preview day, you then need to back it up in your review.

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Richard Butler

We'll ignore the fact that the preview and review were helmed by different people.

5 upvotes
Bamboojled

So R Butler,
are you saying that the opinions expressed previously are not the opinions of DPReview?
If not, then you cannot ignore the statements made.
I have called DPreview out on a few reviews because of obvious pre-bias before the review, and it was pretty obvious early on that this was going to be the case with this camera.
The funny thing is that no other reviewer has had issues with the focusing system of this camera.

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Barney Britton

Hello again marike6. So, the Df was marked down for things like no time lapse option, a single card bay, etc., because these are features that can be found in cheaper Nikon cameras. At which point to find them left out of a premium model is frustrating, and worthy (we think) of being called out.

@ philharris - care to elaborate?

11 upvotes
intruder61

92 have it, 62 rid themselves...speaks for itself.
forget the in-between wannabes, they'll always be there.

5 upvotes
Adrian_Pentchev

I saw it in the shop the other day. From what I see it is no more capable than D600 but has edges and therefore higher price tag.
I would skip.
Although I am no fan of Sony, I would say the last Sony's compact full frames are the most interesting cameras at the moment. The images I see are way better than the ones produced by Nikon d800. As functionality they seem quite able cameras. The only thing which sucks is the dedicated exposure compensation scroll - as I shoot always in manual.

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HowaboutRAW

So you don't care about lowlight high ISO performance. That's fine. But that is your choice.

Not one of the cameras you mention comes close to the high ISO performance of this body.

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Biowizard

There is one set of amazing Nikkor lenses that the Df can't accommodate ... and I would KILL for a digital Nikon body that could ... and that's the Nikonos series of waterproof lenses.

C'mon Nikon, make me a DIGITAL NIKONOS. And with today's technology, it should be possible to design it so that it does NOT need to be opened up just to download images (WiFi?) or charge the battery (induction?).

[ed. spelling correction]

Brian

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Carlos Loff

Now that would be great and since there is no competitors in techs and brand for the Nikonos - That would be wise and successful

0 upvotes
iBuzz

The new Nikonos is the Nikon AW 1 and it's an amazing camera for outdoor photography and sport photography...

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HowaboutRAW

iBuzz--

A real Nikonos can be used hundreds of feet below the surface. And frankly, a real digital Nikonos would have at least an APSC sensor.

Right, the 1AW is for "sport" and "outdoor". Fine little camera, shoots raw and can be used snorkeling.

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Biowizard

The AW1 doesn't go down to 60m unaided. And sure, I have an Oly TG-1, which is pretty much a go-anywhere camera - but its 10m maximum depth rating is again well short of that of my old Nikonos III. Besides which, I was thinking full-frame (D4 sensor) in a Nikonos-mount body, able to use those wonderful underwater Nikkor lenses. Manual focus only, of course, so should be easy to implement.

[edit: correction - mine was the Nikonos III, not IV as I originally said. The III was fully-mechanical, with NO electrics (not even an exposure meter)]

Brian

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rhlpetrus

I think for DoF considereantion in water I'd use a smaller sensor, an APS-C Nikonos makes more sense. The AW1 with the filter aid looks very interesting.

0 upvotes
mangofrefav

@chooflaki
DPR are not the first ones to comment on the poor AF performance when light is lacking. Quesabesde reported the same as an example.

0 upvotes
temm

I love this camera. I love the sensor, the size, the weight. I never shoot video.
The problem is, i cannot aford it.

2 upvotes
chooflaki

Bjorn Rorslett has posted quite a scathing retort to the Dpreview review. Basically questions the reviewers competence as photographers. Makes some valid criticisms on their methods and is in complete disagreement with the alleged poor AF performance.

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PerL

@ chooflaki
Where, do you have a link?

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Samuel Dilworth

I’m not going to search the whole web to discover what you’re talking about, but I suspect this is the same Bjørn Rørslett who thought the Df was easier to focus than the D600 (same viewfinder), and easier than the D800 (which has a different viewfinder – it’s slightly dimmer but slightly more accurate in its rendition of depth-of-field).

I’ve tried all the full-frame Nikon viewfinders, and I have a critical eye for this kind of thing (unlike 90 % of camera reviewers: their statements on viewfinders amaze me sometimes). They’re all very similar, which is to say inadequate; and to the extent they differ, the D800 is the best of the lot for manually focusing. That includes the D3-class viewfinders, unfortunately (though those have other advantages, again minor).

Compared to the stunning eye relief, perceived angle of view, and aberration correction of the latest wide-angle binocular eyepieces, all of these cameras have pathetic viewfinders. I wish Nikon would try harder.

0 upvotes
chooflaki

Bjorn posts on Nikongear forum.

0 upvotes
marike6

I'd take Bjorn Rorslett's assessment of a DSLR over DPR's any day. Sorry guys.

3 upvotes
Samuel Dilworth

Don’t be sorry, marike6. Nikongear is thataway!

1 upvote
EssexAsh

Bjorn who? just some other internet non entity who found out how to write a blog.

1 upvote
G1Houston

Thom Hogan's review largely agree with Dpreviews, as both care about the overall design, not just sensor performance.

http://www.dslrbodies.com/cameras/current-nikon-dslr-reviews/nikon-df-review.html

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groucher

"While it's true that many potential Df owners might not care about video, if you can add a function, why not do so?"

The counter argument is that, if a function (of any kind) is of no use to the targeted purchaser, then why add it? Some people like lots of features, others don't. The latter have currently no choice other than to ignore 99% of the functionality that their camera provides. This is both annoying and leads to the danger that an unwanted mode will be selected, particularly if you're photographing in extremis.

The Df is a fine camera and a step in the right direction but it would be good to see Nikon create a digital FM - a purely manual camera with no rear display screen.

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Samuel Dilworth

I would love to see a fully manual digital camera – even Leica hasn’t done that, much less removed the rear display – but Nikon’s timidness with the Df seems to rule out anything that adventurous in our lifetime.

I realise my wishes are a bit off-piste, so I would have been content if Nikon had merely provided a better viewfinder in the Df: one with optical focusing aids, a larger magnification, and greater eye relief. Instead Nikon reused the D600 viewfinder, which is actually slightly worse (though brighter) than the D800 viewfinder for manual focus.

Otherwise I agree that features need to be removed, not added. Feature-creep is out of control. The Df user manual, sans video, has nearly 400 pages! The FM2 user manual (a stapled leaflet) has 50 pages including sections devoted to “Duplication work and photomicrography”, “What depth of field is”, and nine pages of accessory ads.

A genuinely simple digital camera would be a wild hit – partly for the wrong reasons, but who cares?

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Adrian_Pentchev

Purely manual sounds well in a way. But i would not drop out the autofocus and speaking about dropping the rear display is... well why? I am sure even Ansel Adams would not drop the display if he could have one.

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Samuel Dilworth

Removing the rear display would terrify broad swathes of the camera-buying population. You’d be entering seriously niche territory with a move like that.

But since you asked, Adrian, the purpose would be to cut out all chimping, forcing you to look up, engage with the world, and keep shooting until the opportunity disappears or you keel over from exhaustion – because you won’t know if you’ve got the shot. The hope is you might end up with two good shots by working like that.

With a display on the camera it’s almost impossible to keep shooting once you’ve got a good shot. You feel your job is done. Here, listen to an expert talk about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bP4twN7187g#t=726

Fully manual operation is much less radical, and such a camera might gain a cult following among luddites, hipsters, artists, gearheads, and anyone with the grace to admit they’re ill at ease in the 21st century.

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Al Downie

@ Groucher & Samuel: great to hear my own views articulated so well. Also worth noting that removal of the LCD screen from the backup would enable Nikon to market a range of external chimping screens!

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Adrian_Pentchev

Samuel, I see your point. It is similar to the point that you must better shoot with limited range of prime lenses than use zooms.
I do agree with this and tend to take on a shoot only one prime.
However one can always switch off the rear display and have it just in case. It is a matter of discipline.
I would not deprive myself of the display when shooting in studio or for any other critical work. It is also quite useful for learning a new camera.
So, no, the problem is not in the rear display but in the photograph.
In this line of thinking I would rather get rid of any mode different than M and metering different of spot as I never use them. This somehow renders 90% of the functionality of the modern camera useless to me since I would never let some kind of black magic as the matrix metering do the exposures for me.

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jadmaister2

well done DP review. Nikon; Please read and think before bending any further toward the backside of fashion. Thanks.

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alenis

I have a questions for the experts. I own 5 old (60s-70s) Nikon lenses: 105 f2.5, 35 f2, 24 f2, 55macro f 3.5, 200 f2. Questions are:
1) are those old lenses still good, compared to the new ones? Does it make sense spending 2700$ to buy the DF, just to be able to use them?
2) Is it possible to use them (with obvious limitations) on a Canon Dslr (400d)?

Thank you very much in advance

0 upvotes
groucher

I know nothing about the Canon 400d but the performance of some of these old lenses is amazing. They are just as sharp as the best modern lenses and they have a much better feel, being metal bodied. They are not as resistant to flare though, so care is needed when shooting into the sun. I'm using them with the D800 but am not sure whether they need to be modified to Ai for use on the Df. The mod is very simple and easy to do. Instructions are easy to find on the 'net.

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chooflaki

The 105, 55 and 200 versions you have can be highly regarded depending on the exact version. Need more precise info.

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Andy Westlake

It's entirely possible to use these lenses on a Canon EOS 400D, but the limitations are so severe that it starts to look distinctly impractical. Most importantly, manual focus with a viewfinder that small isn't much fun, and won't be sufficiently accurate for shoot them wide open with any confidence. The lenses also have to be manually stopped down for shooting.

In general, it's far easier and more practical to shoot old manual lenses on mirrorless bodies than it is on SLRs.

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yabokkie

either Nikon or Canon should be good for serious shooters
but very few pre-2007 Nikon products are still good today.

you can mount Nikon lenses on Canon bodies which are currentlly inferior to Nikon ones (though 1DX looks better than D4). many Canon shooters use Nikon lenses, from 85/1.4, 70-180, to new 14-24/2.8G.

for MF using 85/1.4, carefully leaning forward/backward while firing a burst works well for me, same for AF (leave thumb from the AF button so that only the first shot is different), and continuous AF will have the same effect for random AF error will basically work the same).

24/2 wasn't a good lens. new 70-200/2.8 lenses from either Nikon or Canon beats the hell out of 200/2 AI-S ED stopped down to f/2.8 (where it's mostly actually used I think).

D800 + 24-70/2.8 + 70-200/2.8VR2 looks a good starting kit,
with some primes like 60/2.8 micro.

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Richt2000

81% for a camera with duff AF?
I guess it looks pretty (to some).

2 upvotes
yabokkie

a Nikon user for decades I didn't know Nikon cameras were so ugly.
there are so many fans of retro cameras but old designs mean ugly.
ugly for they are not good for use, why we abandoned them.

1 upvote
mailman88

"The Killer"....Disappointing AF performance drops off in moderate light

6 upvotes
ovatab

consumer-grade AF module combined with pro-grade sensor makes a consumer camera for half price of pro-camera

1 upvote
JamesVo

I like the retro look but for the same money I can get better value from another D800, or satisfy my lust for a small retro styled body with a Fuji XE-2 and 3 Fuji XF lenses.

I know the Fuji won't match the D4 sensor capability but I already have a D800 which is not far off the D4's pace in poor light.

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HowaboutRAW

The D800 loses value above ISO 6400, and has dynamic range troubles.

For better both and a compromise consider either the D610 or Canon 6D if good, not extraordinary, high ISOs are important to you.

0 upvotes
km25

I the AF really that bad in low light? If it is why have camera that is good in low light? I think the camera is over priced by a lot. A split image on the focusing screen is really needed with the older lens, as a matter of fact interchangeable would be best. The camera has too may problems to be corrected by firmware.

I like the idea, maybe Df ll. 20MP, better AF, interchg. focusing screens and a grip.
And all the stuff in the review to bad.

Is this camera silver, gold or what?

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new boyz

"Is this camera silver, gold or what?"

Stone.

Kidding... hehehe.

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Alexis D

The AF is amazing, wonderful, compared to old classic cameras 40 years ago! ;-)

A shutter speed of 1/4000 sec is also matching the best there was 40 years ago, like the FM2. And one SDcard slot only, and no histogram, heavy ... This is nostaligic spec indeed. It does look fantastic though.
With so many faults, it still gets 81%. However that score apparently has no co-relation with Gold or Silver or whatever award.

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Richard Butler

The image quality is very good, which is what keeps the score high. The lower marks it gets for ergonomics and AF performance (which are most of the things wrong with the camera), don't make a big dent in that.

However, the overall reviewer's summary (the award), can more readily factor that in.

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sgoldswo

In answer to your question about low light AF, not on my camera. For comparison I own a D800E and a D600.

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Richard Butler

@sgoldswo - I've shot the D600 and D800 a fair bit, while Barney owns Nikons and used to shoot professionally with them. Both of us found the AF doesn't work as well as we'd expect in low light.

It's fast, but as soon as you move away from the centre point, it's not unusual to find the camera simply won't lock focus (and in focus priority this leaves you sitting there, finger on the shutter with nothing happening).

This seems to be the main point you disagree with about the review. We're happy to ask Nikon for another unit to check this against, but nothing about the Df's AF felt broken, just not quite good enough.

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Richard Butler

Further to that point - lots of people will buy the Df because of its traditional controls and will love it because of them. Equally, you shouldn't be surprised to find that people who have spent a lot of their money on a product like it more than people who haven't - it's human nature (and a well studied psychological effect).

I agree entirely with Thom Hogan when he says people respond to this camera emotionally, so the practicalities of it won't really matter to them. But, as a reviewer, I have to at least try to see it as a rational alternative to a D610 or D800 and, for the reasons stated in the review, I just don't think it fairs well against either.

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ovatab

AF is not broken - it is not good enough ©R Butler

... for the hype

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caspianm

@R Butler, a second copy should have been attempted already before publishing the AF weakness and ditching the camera as a result. Why rush your work?!

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rhlpetrus

Richard, I think a second body for checking AF is in order. Many users that have it and either D7000 or D600 report at least as good or better performance. You usually are not so strict re AF ;-) (check your mirrorless reviews).

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tjwaggoner

This camera isn't scored against mirrorless cameras. DP scores are relevant against other cameras in its class. A $2800 FF slr isn't in the same class as a panasonic g5. I think the review is just saying that the camera doesn't hold up against other FF models where af is concerned. It's not saying that mirrorless cameras have amazing af and the DF doesn't.

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Bamboojled

@ R Butler
So you agree with Thom's assessment of the camera?
Thom's assessment was that it focused as well as his D800 in low light, something DPrwview says is a weakness, so which is it?

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sgoldswo

Richard,

One of the D600 bodies I owned had a duff AF module. It did work, but focus was a hair slower with AF-S lenses (almost imperceptibly), but more importantly the camera was prone to hunt in low light. I was only sure it wasn't working properly when I tried I with some AF-D lenses, where at least 50% of the time it wouldn't focus at all. I'm left wondering if that's what was wrong with the Df body DPR tested.

I think it would be worthwhile retesting AF with another body.

Best

Simon

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D 503

They had me at , "it's in my hands again." Pity about the camera.

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RichRMA

The only shortcoming is AF, apparently, so those who shoot action would be advised not to buy it. But as always, don't blame the camera.

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RFC1925

How come every Nikon DSLR doesn't have a flippable Ai tab? Such a cheap and simple feature.

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technotic

Could DPReview put the pros/cons and score at the top of page 1 and save most people those few extra mouse clicks?

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