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Sony SLT-A77 II First Impressions Review

May 2014 | By Richard Butler, Jeff Keller


Based on a pre-production SLT-A77 II running firmware 1.00

Sony has announced the SLT-A77 II which, as the name implies, is an overhaul of its semi-pro APS-C camera from 2011. The camera itself looks interesting, but so do some of the things it could be taken to signify.

Sony is not a company that could ever be accused of not trying. Eight years on from buying Konica Minolta's camera business, Sony has produced over forty interchangeable lens cameras based on at least three fundamental design approaches: conventional DSLRs, the fixed-mirror SLT system and the mirrorless E-mount models. Those cameras have continued to get better and the company has recently hit a particularly good run of form.

This success in terms of making very good, as well as very innovative, cameras starts to make sense of what has at times looked like a 'try lots of things, see what sticks' approach. The question is: once one of the designs really delivers on its promise, does it make sense to continue the other technologies in parallel?

Clearly Sony believes it does. Despite the leaps and bounds being made with the E-mount Alphas, both in terms of the on-sensor phase detection autofocus of the a6000 and the full frame sensors shoehorned into the A7 triplets, it has continued to develop its SLT cameras. The A77 Mark II features a new autofocus sensor, and it's much more than a refreshed version of an existing design. Instead the A77 II is built around the AF module with the most focus points of any camera on the market (79), covering an extremely wide area of the frame. It's also rated to work in lighting as low as -2EV. That doesn't necessarily make it quite as sophisticated at pro-grade DSLRs, since they have more cross and diagonal sensor elements, but it looks very impressive for a camera in this part of the market.

The autofocus capability combines with the camera's ability to shoot images at 12 frames per second to offer a compelling feature set. The A77 II also benefits from the autofocus tracking advances that have been included on recent Sony cameras, which use information from the main image sensor to identify and follow a given target.

Beyond that autofocus sensor, the A77 II gains an updated 24MP sensor (presumed to be a version of the sensor from the a6000, but without the on-chip sensor phase detection design) and all the benefits that the company introduced with its Bionz X processor. This means it gains three features: context-sensitive noise reduction, diffraction reduction technology and more-sophisticated sharpening.

Sony SLT-A77 II key specifications:

  • 24MP CMOS Sensor with gapless, offset microlenses
  • 12fps continuous shooting with autofocus (up to 60 JPEGs)
  • 79 point AF module with 15 cross-type AF points, covering 40% of frame
  • Increased control over AF behavior
  • 1080p60 movies with autofocus
  • Audio level monitoring during movie shooting
  • 2.4M dot OLED viewfinder
  • Pull-out three-hinge tilt/swivel 1.23m dot White Magic LCD screen
  • Built-in Wi-Fi with NFC
  • 1/8000th maximum shutter speed, shutter rated for 150,000 actuations
  • ISO 100 - 25,600 (Extendable down to 50, and up to 51,200 with multi-image combination)
  • Auto ISO customization
  • Optional, profile-based correction of vignetting, chromatic aberrations and geometric distortion
  • Top panel LCD
  • Stereo microphone and external mic socket
  • AF Micro Adjust

Focus advances

Although Sony stresses that the A77 II shouldn't be compared to pro-grade cameras (not least because it's much less expensive), it is starting to gain the kinds of paper specifications that suggest it could punch considerably above its weight. For instance, the improvements to the A77 II's autofocus system extend a long way beyond the focus sensor itself.

The Mark II gains a range of subject identifying technologies that Sony has introduced in recent models. As such, it offers Eye-AF, rather than just face detection. It also gains the most advanced version of 'Lock-On AF' that we've yet seen, which will use or allow you to specify an off-center starting AF point (previously most Sonys assumed your subject was the thing at the center of the frame, when you started tracking).

Unlike the A99, which used its on-sensor phase detection elements to track a subject's movement when it was between the focus sensor's focus points, the A77 II uses the focus points adjacent to the currently active point. In addition, the A77 II becomes the first Sony that lets you determine how doggedly the camera should stick with the current focus point - an option you'd usually only expect to find on very high level models. Better still, it lets you specify different values for video and stills shooting.

On top of this, the camera has an A99-style distance limiter that lets you specify the approximate range of focus distance over which you expect your subject to travel, to prevent the camera being distracted by near or distant subjects. Also added is an option to prioritise release or focus in continuous shooting, giving much greater control over the camera's continuous focus and shooting behavior. Overall, the A77 II represents a major step forward for Sony autofocus control.

What's in a name?

Interestingly, Sony's marketing implies that it is moving away from the 'Single Lens Translucent' name for the A77 II, instead adopting the phrase 'Translucent mirror DSLR.' This is a slightly unfortunate phrase to use, semantically, but only because the mirror is actually semi-transparent (translucence implies a diffuse image): the camera has all the elements implied by the term 'DSLR.'

The technology remains the same as before: a fixed, semi-transparent mirror redirects a portion of the light up to a dedicated autofocus sensor, while the majority passes through to the main imaging sensor. The light lost to the AF sensor has a slight cost in terms of high ISO image quality, but avoids the complexity of multiple moving mirrors, with the benefit that autofocus remains available at all times, including during video shooting.

SLT-A77 II vs. SLT-A77 key differences

 

Sony SLT-A77 II

Sony SLT-A77
Sensor New 24MP APS-C CMOS 24MP APS-C CMOS
Body construction Magnesium Alloy/Plastic Magnesium Alloy/Plastic
Viewfinder 2.4m dot OLED TruFinder 2.4m dot OLED TruFinder
Rear LCD 1.23m dot RGBW LCD 920k dot RGB LCD
AF Sensor 79 points (15 cross-type) 19 points (11 cross-type)
GPS No Yes
Wi-Fi Yes No
LCD Articulation Triple hinged (hinge/tilt/swivel) Triple hinged (hinge/tilt/swivel)
Custom settings recall on mode dial 3 1
Hotshoe type ISO standard with Multi-Interface connections Minolta-style
Maximum shooting rate 12fps 12fps
Maximum shutter speed 1/8000th 1/8000th
Video 1080p60 AVCHD 2.0 1080p60 AVCHD 2.0


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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (3 months ago)

Is there a fundamental issue which means on-sensor PD is worse than the off-sensor variety? Otherwise you'd think SLT's days are somewhat numbered...

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abortabort
By abortabort (3 months ago)

Yes. The sensors on a dedicated PDAF are much bigger and as such more accurate as well as being more sensitive. There is a reason why on sensor PDAF shuts off at certain light levels. Also those cameras use CDAF for focus, the PDAF are 'assist' points. For a camera with PDAF lenses these are not enough. The 70D with all it's PDAF points doesn't really perform better than the original A77, which had very average (and near lowest in class) dedicated PDAF. Though the extra spread of the 70D OSPDAF does have some advantages.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (3 months ago)

abortabort, if there's one thing traditional PDAF isn't (compared to anything on sensor) it's accurate. As an A77 owner I can't wait for Sony to switch to on-sensor PDAF. The tradeoff between performance and accuracy is much better balanced with this technology.

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WildBill in MN
By WildBill in MN (3 months ago)

Regarding the accuracy of a separate focus sensor, one must keep in mind that it can be calibrated. The light path must be exactly the same length from the lens to the focus sensor as it is from the lens to the image sensor. The a77 has microadjust because of that, but I found it better to get the body calibrated, and then use microadjust if even necessary.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"Yes. The sensors on a dedicated PDAF are much bigger and as such more accurate"

Bigger sensor cannot be more accurate. The sensor needs to be the size of a pixel to provide the pixel-level accuracy.
All those separate PDAFs are not accurate anyway, only 1 point working at f/2.8? How is it going to be accurate for a f/1.4 lens? f/1.2 like the one Canon, Fuji, Pana have?
And all that sensor adjustment, which works on certain focus distance but does not work on others, on a certain FL (for zooms) but off on others... It is simply an outdated film-era technology when you could not read data from film in real time.

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William Koehler
By William Koehler (3 months ago)

A handy specification to include would be maximum video clip length(time).

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (3 months ago)

Most cameras can record a max of 29 minutes video to avoid the higher taxes dedicated video cameras attract.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

Some companies only apply that limit to European models (eg. Panasonic) and models sold outside the EU have no clip length limit.

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 months ago)

I don't think there is a limit. With AVCHD there is a 2GB limit per file but when the camera reaches 2GB it saves that file and without interruption immediately starts recording another file. These files can then be easily combined with a photo editor.

3 upvotes
Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (3 months ago)

Sometimes GPS comes in handy when trying to remember exactly where you took it.

I think people are oversensitive to private data that no one would ever care about. OK, so you went to Yosemite National Park and a TGIF for a company dinner. Guess what, no one cares.

9 upvotes
Martin Brossman
By Martin Brossman (3 months ago)

I am disappointed they took off the GPS. I use it with my A77. Impressed with other additions.

5 upvotes
PiscesNH69
By PiscesNH69 (3 months ago)

totally agree! I was just on vacation for three weeks and GPS helped a lot knowing where the pics came from.

3 upvotes
Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (3 months ago)

I use GPS on my A77 all the time. It is never off. With Lightroom it is very useful to see where photos were taken and if anyone ever travels extensively it is a boon.

Why do Sony do this type of thing?

WiFi to a phone is no substitute as even if the phone can tag the photos or use an app store GPS data for later manual addition most smart phones battery life is not up to the task of long term use.

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srados
By srados (3 months ago)

By PiscesNH69 (2 hours ago)

totally agree! I was just on vacation for three weeks and GPS helped a lot knowing where the pics came from.
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Unless you took 6 month trip around the world so you need to remember, THAN I will find GPS useful.Technology in these devices is underused by ordinary 30-40 year old.I do not use GPS I still use my brain to remember.Also you can look at the image and remember, don't you?

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

Or what if you take pictures of your children, and many years from now they reflect upon any one of those pictures and have the thought...boy wouldn't it be cool to visit that *exact* location again? I have GPS on my 6D and I'm glad its there. Sometimes useful technology is useful.

I wasn't born in a hospital, but in a house in Los Angeles near the Dodger Stadium. And I moved *a lot* as a child through various apartments, condos, and homes and various schools. Had technology been capable of recording GPS with pictures, I would know a lot more about my own childhood than I do now.

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (3 months ago)

The trick is get an app the creates GPX files.. and sync the clocks on your camera and phone. There is at least one plug in that will read the file find the shots that match the time and batch GEOTAG the, and I know my phone GPS is a lot better at locking on even in some buildings than the camera GPS. I liked knowing it was there.. but won't missed it and on a shoot like a vacation .. would set up the GEOTAGGING plug in.

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Jabba23
By Jabba23 (3 months ago)

@Timbukto are you saying that you take such a memorable picture and you or your kids can't even recall where that place is?

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

No I do not know the actual geographical locations of much of my childhood as I did not grow up in the same house or go to the same schools and moved quite a bit. Even if I were to ask my father, I doubt he'd have the best memory of each location! Yet a photo record with GPS coordinates would instantly and easily identify a lot. GPS is not only for you to remember what happened last week, it is for you to remember things 30+ years ago. Or if these pictures interest grandchildren 60 years past and so on. I actually have a very good memory of many *pictures* of myself taken by my father when I was very young, had I also had the ability to see geotagging on each of these pictures, it would be even more interesting. I don't see how anyone who is not a complete narcissist not see the potential value of GPS or geotagging.
Not every picture has to be a 'landmark' picture or be about what happened last week. Not everywhere you go needs to be a 'franchise', or every memory a commodity.

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

To be honest if someone can't remember where they took there photos then they may have a bit of a problem.
I have had GPS on many cameras and switch it off the moment I get it.
The only thing I thought it might be good for was constructing a world map with some points where I have been, but I can do that without the GPS function. To me anyway it's a croc of----------

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contadorfan
By contadorfan (3 months ago)

PaintshopProx6 does a good job of geotagging photos if you decided afterwards you'd like to add a geotag. I think other PP software do also. I never use GPS in camera because of the battery drain issue, but find that I can easily use PP software if I really feel compelled to add GPS coordinates. Sometimes I can remember the location precisely. Other times, no, but exact precision isn't necessary -- town name is good enough.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

I can't believe the key differences table above does not include the new "standard-style" hot shoe! The old A77 had the proprietary Sony slot-style hot shoe. WTF?

6 upvotes
antares103
By antares103 (3 months ago)

Why would we not expect the new style hotshoe? Sony has not made a Minolta style hotshoe since the A99 was introduced (at least)

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (3 months ago)

The table also fails to mention the removal of the AF Assist lamp and 3D Sweep Panorama mode.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

The "key differences" table is SUPPOSED to identify the DIFFERENCES, of which the hot shoe for the flash is one. They should have listed the removal of the 3D Sweep Panorama mode and the lack of the AF Assist lamp too. If there are things that shouldn't be listed in that table, such as stuff that is not different, like the viewfinder and the video mode, and there is stuff that should be listed, such as the issues I just mentioned and things like the locking mode dial. I see they have edited the chart now . . . or I was mistaken and the information was there, when I read it, but I missed it. It's difficult to tell with these "live" articles! ;)

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

WTF?
No panorama?

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 months ago)

Yes it does Panorama just not 3D panorama, a rather useless gimmick.

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new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

I have no complaint about using pre flash as focus assist. When focus lamp is needed, you're doing flash photography anyway. Serves as red eye reduction mechanism as well.

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Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (3 months ago)

Speaking as someone who virtually never uses flash and sometimes needs a focus-assist light, I have to disagree.

6 upvotes
SteveY80
By SteveY80 (3 months ago)

My ring flash doesn't have a focus assist lamp, making one on the camera useful occasionally.

The biggest issue, though, is that using the flash generally doesn't work that well. At least that's my experience of this feature on the A57.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

I have a serious complaint about it. They should include an infra-red-only bean projector and NOT have pre-flash for every use of a flash for shooting in auto-focus. Why? Because at a party, like a wedding, someone often wants to get candid shots, and they CAN do this, if there is no warding to the people that someone is taking their photo, until the flash goes off. Then it is too late, and the moment is captured. That alone is a good reason for NOT requiring a "pre-flash" for shooting in auto-focus mode in really dim light. Other reasons abound . . . such as when someone is trying to capture photos of animals in the dark. Yes, some animals don't care, and some animals see infra-red light, so they might be startled by infra-red light beams anyway, but many animals would run off, if there is a series of flashes fired for the camera to focus, making it useless to shoot the photo. Another reasons is: using the flash is likely to draw more power from the battery.

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abortabort
By abortabort (3 months ago)

You only need the assist beam when there isn't enough light to focus. Being that the new AF system can focus down to much lower light levels this is unlikely to be any difference between A77 with assist beam and A77 II without (except the advantage of not having to use the assist beam of course).

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (3 months ago)

Not sure how someone would get a AF lamp to work with the RING FLASH blocking it.. The reality is that a lot of the newer lenses with the wider aperture's people want.. with the hood along with hands often blocked the AF light.. So if it were in a good position I like it.. but this may be more annoying and more reliable.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (3 months ago)

abortabort, I'm sure the new AF systems does work in really low light, but only when the subject is high contrast test pattern. It'll be a completely different matter when the subject is of the more common (breathing) sort, where the pattern projected by the AF Assist lamp makes a world of a difference. I can tell you from experience that it does when you approach lower "supported" EVs with other cameras, including the original A77.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

@Scottelly Don't most pro grade flash guns have a built-in IR flash assist bulb? Wouldn't a wedding photographer be using one of these?

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Andy I use a radio remote and light the whole room with flash, and I've seen other photographers shooting weddings this way too, but I still need to focus, and frankly, the flash popping up would be a hindrance (maybe not even work for me). At least this camera should focus better in low light, without the assist beam. Sometimes people want to use the on-camera flash to capture a candid moment though, but a pre-flash is going to kill that moment. I'm talking about using this camera in all sorts of situations, not just a specific type of shooting. There are SOME situations where this new "feature" is not a problem or where it is actually an advantage, but I don't like it at all.

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maxeythecat
By maxeythecat (3 months ago)

Sorry but GPS belongs in your car, not your camera. ' Nuff said.

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Photoworks
By Photoworks (3 months ago)

Sure ... but what if you have a really bad memory and forget where the Grand Canyon or Eiffel Tower is located? I was recently looking at some images I shot of the Colosseum and, for a minute, I thought it may have been in New York. Thankfully I was able to resolve this conundrum by making use of the all important GPS data.

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Ben Ramsey
By Ben Ramsey (3 months ago)

Sorry, but the Sony name belongs on your Walkman, not on your camera.

Hey look, I can say absurd things too. Some like it and find it useful (as Sony also did before), so why does it 'not belong'?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

There are places in the world--not many--that are not as instantly recognizable as the Grand Canyon or Eiffel Tower. So, for those rare occasions, GPS might be useful. Even if you don't use it, its hard to see what harm it causes, unless you're concerned the folks from Area 57 are tracking your photos.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

WRONG. I have dozens of photos that I have NO IDEA where I was, when I shot them. But it would be nice to be able to identify the location some day, when/if I publish those photos in a book or something. Many of these "pro-sumer" cameras are used by people to shoot photos on vacation. After 6 or 7 vacations, it's nice to be able to look at the map and pick the photos of places by location. This is easily done by programs that can map the locations of where photos were shot . . . like iPhoto and Aperture. Even Google's Picasa does this, I believe. There are other reasons, but that is just a start. You can turn off the GPS if you're afraid it is going to drain your battery, but from my own experience with a Sony A55, which was known for having terrible battery life, because its battery was so tiny, the GPS does NOT draw a lot of power. I was able to shoot hundreds of photos with that camera, and if I shot a lot in a few hours I could shoot over 1,000 per charge. (RAW+JPG)

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SteveY80
By SteveY80 (3 months ago)

A natural history internet circle I belong to asks that the location where pictures were taken be included with any images submitted.

A year after taking the shot, I'm not necessarily going to remember the location of a butterfly I snapped while walking in the countryside. The sky behind a bird in flight doesn't generally contain any famous landmarks to use as a reference for its location.

If nothing else a GPS would save some detective work, like having to look through landscape shots taken on the same day to work out where I was.

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Antony John
By Antony John (3 months ago)

Once upon a time one used to use something called pencil and paper to make notes where one took a photograph.
Not only could one record the location but also pertinent information about the subject - perhaps things like atmospheric conditions.
Now a recording facility on a camera would be a good idea for the same purpose.
BTW, As for 'Area 57' I assume everyone knows that when one turns off one's mobile it doesn't mean that it's actually shut down just because the screen goes blank?

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

"Sorry but GPS belongs in your car, not your camera"...so says the guy who doesn't own a smart phone, and who still lives in the year 2005, LOL!

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braisim
By braisim (3 months ago)

I have to say I don;t understand why GPS has been replaced with WiFi/NFC. I am an A77 owner and I do find the GPS useful. Frankly I struggle to see what real benefit WiFi would give me. The best quality images from the A77 measure some 24 MB. So I can transfer this to my phone (after having set all of that up on my smartphone) and then post it on flickr or facebook. And then have that transfer take 10 minutes as I'm in an area without 3G let alone 4G and then have my carrier charge me for all of that data transfer, because I'm abroad. And then have my smartphone battery last only 6 hours instead of a full day. I don't see the point. On a camera like this, unless one wants to use remote control (which seems like a pretty niche activity) I don;t see the value of WiFI/NFC. Please educate me.

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ZoomZoom Diva
By ZoomZoom Diva (3 months ago)

The NFC is tempting to be as an easy way to communicate with my LG Smartphone. I also don't take pictures where GPS matters much as they are generally of events and historic sites.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Dear braisim, if you really don't understand the advantage of having the ability to wirelessly control the camera as well as transfer the photos (or preview versions of the photos) to a remote device, maybe you need to think a little about the ways people use their cameras. Here is just one example:

A photographer who shoots small birds with a long lens usually uses a blind, but can not take the blind everywhere that she shoots, so she buys a very long telephoto lens. Still, the birds she shoots are very wary. She got the new Sony A77 with Wi-Fi, and she was able to set up her camera and move far away and control the camera via wi-fi with her smartphone, controlling where the camera focuses and when it shoots photos. Another photographer uses a series of cameras to photograph races remotely, using an iPad. Another photographer uses the wi-fi for shooting from very high positions, where the screen on the back of the camera is too far away to see well. These are all valid scenarios.

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zubs
By zubs (3 months ago)

I don't care for GPS data on a photo. Not a show stopper. Main thing is image quality.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Do you know that the GPS can be turned off? Many people WANT the GPS feature. Why not include it? It's not like it can be put in there with an upgrade later! They put GPS in little point-and-shoot cameras and lesser A-series cameras, like the A65. Why WOULDN'T the include it in this high-end camera?!?

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

Yeah, well, people like yourself used to say the same thing about EXIF data in digital photos. "I don't need no stinking digital photos that have all the image data embedded in it! My film photos ain't got it, so I don't see the point of it!" LOL.

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Claudio Galli
By Claudio Galli (3 months ago)

Who cares if you don't care?
Claudio

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

I have no practical experience of GPS and battery drain, on the other hand I positively know that Wifi and 3g-4g etc drain your phone battery visibly... something that can be seen and verified simply by toggling on/off for a short while... big difference. Not so with GPS. Try it on your phone..it will show.. the same applies to camera too and yes Geo tagging nature shots are very useful with hardly any price tag...why not. I only commented on this earlier as I find it one of the less important specs for a quality and autofocus minded person. Image quality and speed of focus cannot be put on the same value plane as GPS or WiFI for that matter.

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Gesture
By Gesture (3 months ago)

These cameras are so refined, full-featured, technolgically advanced. What's the "end game" of the modern camera?

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William Koehler
By William Koehler (3 months ago)

There is no end game. It is the treadmill all of them walk. If there were an end game, then the cameras would become commodities and at least half the manufacturers would go out of business.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

It will be completely automated, following you around and doing your bidding, based on your thoughts, which will be read by a series of sensors implanted under your skin and projected via ultra-wi-fi through a chip in the back of your neck to the cam-bot drone, which follows you around. The drone will be able to "fly" under water and far away from you. There is more, but I don't want to write a book here.

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

Art, creativity and knowledge of photography be damned. I might as well have been brain dead these past 45 + years clicking a button.
Ha ha! You got it right there.
Takes all the pleasure of knowing what you are doing and getting there by learning smart. Camera's should be under your command not expected to do everything by themselves duh!

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (3 months ago)

With an IBIS, advanced AF features, and continuous viewing in the viewfinder, this looks like the perfect camera to use the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

They took away the GPS?!? WTF?!?

Though I am glad they have made a new, updated version of the A77, I can't understand Sony. I won't buy it without GPS. I will get the old one instead . . . or I'll get a Nikon D5300. I don't really need the speed shooting capability, and until I see that Sony is committed to this line of cameras by making three or four new, kick-ass lenses for them, I will stay away from their newest cameras. The mirrorless cameras don't have two of the features I have come to expect from Sony - in-camera image stabilization and GPS, and now Sony drops GPS from their newest A77! I think they dropped the ball too.

I was thinking Sony should make one of these without an anti-aliasing filter. Hopefully they will make an A79 with that and GPS . . . and a bigger buffer . . . and two memory card slots (fast ones - maybe UHS2).

I wonder how fast the memory card slot in this camera is.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (3 months ago)

They swapped it for "wifi." Because God knows, you HAVE to get those 24mp raws onto a smart phone immediately!!!

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Photoworks
By Photoworks (3 months ago)

Seriously? Who has time to wait for WiFi data transfers. I want my camera to incorporate a smart phone so that my images appear instantaneously on my Twit-ter account.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

I think the main reason for wi-fi is the ability to control the camera via smart phones and tablets. Cameras should be able to transfer compressed JPEG images that are down-sized to your choice of small, medium, or large "preview" images, so the wi-fi can transfer them at a reasonable speed for reviewing on a tablet or other computer screen during a photo shoot.

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PaulDavis
By PaulDavis (3 months ago)

I use the wifi on my a7 way more than I have ever used gps so if they to put one or the other they made the right choice. Seems like they could fit both in though. It's always disturbing when they remove a feature that was in a previous version.

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camcom12
By camcom12 (3 months ago)

Totally agree...no GPS, no sale. GPS 'was' one of the defining features of this line of cameras.

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Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (3 months ago)

"Totally agree...no GPS, no sale. GPS 'was' one of the defining features of this line of cameras."

Same here. May have been tempted to upgrade but not now.

They lost me from the compact mirrorless area with Nex minus IBIS (another feature I won't do without having used it) and now they just lost another potential sale.

This is par for the course with Sony though who have done it before. Debates used to rage about what was missing from the A2xx/A3xx/4xx/5xx cameras compared to what the old A100 had.

Why don't they understand "upgrade" does not mean removing useful features from a camera?

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abortabort
By abortabort (3 months ago)

Cool, so I guess you will buy the 'other' DSLR type cameras with IBIS and GPS then?

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leonche64
By leonche64 (3 months ago)

If something has to go in order to hit a price point, GPS was the logical choice. Wifi gives you a lot more functions than just GPS, and may be able to via an app of some sort. Much like the old hot shoe was just for flash, while the new one has many additional functions.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

This camera is $400 more than the old A77. NOTHING had to go in order to make it. GPS and wi-fi fit just fine in some of the smallest cameras Sony makes, so they would both fit in the A77 just fine. The A65 is MUCH smaller than the A77, and it has GPS. You don't think they could fit both in the A77? You would have to be on crack to believe they HAD to delete GPS from this camera. They didn't. This is just corporate stupidity. Sony suffers from it, just like Nikon and Canon and Sigma and just about every other company does . . . unfortunately. Presumably Sony has seen the acceptance of their mirrorless cameras, which do not have GPS, as an indication that people don't care about GPS. Let's hope they don't also make a decision to remove image stabilization, which is missing from their mirrorless cameras too. What I can't figure out is how they put GPS in cameras that cost $300, but leave it out of cameras that cost over $1,000. It just doesn't make sense.

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (3 months ago)

GPS is important to me...seems like in this day and age they could at least incorporate it into a very compact purpose-built hot-shoe accessory with in-camera firmware support.

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

@Scottelly..Regarding your point about transfer of images.. I see the point of instant transfer to a largish tablet or iPad when seated inside a hide for hours on a nature shoot. It would be something invaluable. Like taking a tethered shot in a studio. But can any camera really do that in real life... would be fantastic!

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DaytonR
By DaytonR (3 months ago)

Interesting camera , it seems Sony is hell bent on removing GPS from its cameras - sad ....

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Photoworks
By Photoworks (3 months ago)

Yes, so very sad. What is the world coming to?

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abortabort
By abortabort (3 months ago)

Wow, honestly people will always find something to complain about. Want GPS and don't want any of the other new features... Buy an A77. Really, really simple.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

NO. It's NOT really really simple. The thing is people out there with A77 cameras and A65 cameras would LIKE to be able to upgrade to the new camera, which has the standard hot shoe, which they wish they had, but they won't do it, because they love the GPS feature. Sony is STUPID for not including GPS in this camera. THAT is what is really simple.

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photogalleryonline
By photogalleryonline (3 months ago)

Does it allow manual control of the Iris (Apetrure) during Video shooting? How does the 12 fps work compared to the A77 which had some terrible blackout (image review) while shooting at speed thus impossible to track/pan anything at speed?

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SteveY80
By SteveY80 (3 months ago)

Whether there's still a slideshow when shooting at faster speeds is definitely one of the things I want to know.

I've been looking at various hand-on tests, and despite them talking about the high burst speed, none have made it clear whether this old SLT problem has been solved.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Have you ever used a Sony SLT camera? I had an A55, and at 10 fps it did not suffer "black-out" at all. It may have had a little lag, which meant you would have to lead the subject a little, but try shooting with a Canon 1Dx. I don't think you can even see through the viewfinder at all.

The A77 that I shot with didn't seem to have any "black-out" problem either. This mystery "black-out problem" seems to be a bunch of malarkey! Stop spreading rumors, unless you have first-hand experience with one of these cameras, and you can explain exactly what it does.

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pheanix
By pheanix (3 months ago)

The real question is, have you ever used an OVF camera to know the difference? I've used both and there IS a slide show effect when using fast burst and attempting to track with the A77 (I own one and the A700). It's only a mystery in your mind.

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photogalleryonline
By photogalleryonline (3 months ago)

Mate I have a A77, D300s a 6D and recently OMD, all cameras could shoot faster than the A77 consistently, the OMD got binned because its AF sucks in low light, but try shooting A77 at even as slow as 3fps in jpeg mode and its stuffed at 1.5 secs while the write speed catches up, all while you are watching this slow slide show of the images you shot, not looking at what you are shooting, don't get me wrong I love this camera but its not a sportsmens tool, its a great travel camera and thats what I use it for. The Nikon is awesome at sport, will shoot 3fps non stop until you run out of card or battery...neither of which will happen for min 500 shots.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

If you can only shoot for 1.5 secs at 3 fps then there is something wrong with your A77. That camera has a large buffer for shooting raw which has a huge capacity for shooting JPEGs. I have shot with them, and I had NO PROBLEM shooting a lot more than 6 frames or even twice that, and I was normally shooting at about 8 fps, which is what the A77 shoots at when in M mode. I was shooting in RAW mode too! Here is a gallery of photos that PROVES that even the A65 can do a lot better than what you were talking about. (I was testing the focus ability, while shooting fast in dim light.) Just look at the EXIF data on these photos after downloading them, and you will see the time is the same for the first half-dozen, and the next second for the rest. This proves how fast the camera shoots and that you DON'T get stopped after shooting for just a few frames. The A77 is of course better, with a deeper buffer. Shooting raw at 12 fps is another matter.

http://ffphotos.zenfolio.com/sonya65

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Deliverator
By Deliverator (3 months ago)

Perhaps the slide show effect is the product of leaving image review on in the finder when shooting in burst mode? It's easy to see how this could be forgotten, and obvious how this would be a problem.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"How does the 12 fps work compared to the A77 which had some terrible blackout (image review) while shooting at speed thus impossible to track/pan anything at speed?"

If image review (which is not the same as blackout at all) is presented to you at 12fps, it is the same as using 12fps viewfinder with zero lag (because it offers to you the actual results of your tracking after the shots were taken, eliminating the difference between what you see in VF - no matter OVF or EVF - and what you actually get in your pictures).

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gwbert
By gwbert (3 months ago)

My A77 has done over 50k sports images (RAW only) in last 12 months, mainly motor sport & aerobatics. Mainly pan & track activity. Has been excellent, & the features that let me use old glass easily in manual mode have been a god-send with big, old, telephotos. No criticism of write-speed from me IF you get fast cards. Class 10 isn't good enough - write-speed must be rated at 40+ to make most of body.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

Is the A77II's IBIS configurable for work with non-chipped lenses of different FL?

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Axion
By Axion (3 months ago)

I don't believe that it is technically possible: the amount sensor movement required is partly determined by the focal length (similar to the movement we see through the VF with wide vs. tele lens).

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

In Pentax SLRs you can set the lens FL via the menu. I assume the camera will apply a different amount of sensor shift depending on your setting. You can play with it to achieve the best results with every lens. In any case that is better than nothing. The A77 will lock at default 50 mm which makes its IBIS almost useless already for a 100 mm lens.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

All a-mount lens must report a lens-id back to the camera.
3rd party with licenses get their own lens-id in the database, others resort to reusing a lens-id, preferrably a lens with similar focal length.

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (3 months ago)

I have used adapted lenses on my a55 via chipped adapters, which in turn is useful for IBIS (and the lens FL shows up in EXIF as well). I do like the Pentax solution better... allow users to plug in the FL, although, they would have to remember doing that every time.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

What adapter model did you use? I mean, it should be programmable for FL.

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Deliverator
By Deliverator (3 months ago)

It seems to me the SLT cameras should be better when it comes to vibrations from mirror slap. Does anyone have any insight to offer on this?

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (3 months ago)

There is no mirror slap.. mirror never moves..

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John-Nguyen
By John-Nguyen (3 months ago)

Oh no, I really dont want my image goes throu anything other than my len.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Compare the images in tests or do tests for yourself. The A77 compares favorably against the Nikon D5200. The Nikon D5300 and D7100 both have the missing anti-aliasing filter, so they are slightly sharper, but it is difficult to tell a difference. As far as the light traveling through another piece of glass, even if it is a mirror, the results in the photos prove that it does not matter.

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Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (3 months ago)

There have been tests done I believe that show mirror slap can be an issue with traditional DLSR's but not the SLT's.

The other bonus is the electronic first curtain shutter.

That reduces the chance of shutter vibrations affecting the results which can apparently effect the 36mp A7 which does not have this feature.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

It really is about time Dpreview stops focusing on making the same old everything looks exactly the same when resized to print studio shots, and do more tests on both autofocus and both mirror slap/shutter shock. Yes we get the point, all camera's are about the same at high ISO (or start to cheat at the ISO game).

The fact that they are so enamored with Fuji's baked in NR and inflated ISO scores seems to indicate to expect more of the same pointless ISO comparisons.

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Deliverator
By Deliverator (3 months ago)

Yes, I realize there is no mirror slap in an SLT. My thinking this should improve sharpness when compared to DSLRs.

I too would like to see more testing on AF performance (speed, accuracy), though I do find the high ISO tests to be informative for comparison purposes.

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Marco Fisico
By Marco Fisico (3 months ago)

I wish they would have added a touch screen. An OLED back screen. A phone app to remotely control your camera. The ability to PC tether and it would be interesting if they released a battery grip that had an additional SD card slot.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

Both PC tethering and control through a remote (phone, tablet) app will be possible IIRC.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

They have put a different back screen, which is even BETTER than an OLED back screen. Read about it. It has white pixels as well as red, green, and blue pixels. This makes it brighter and apparently it appears sharper. I'm looking forward to seeing the difference at the Sony store near me.

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (3 months ago)

Are there any decent lenses for these things? I have recollections of most of the standard primes being a bit below par compared with similar from Canikon...

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antares103
By antares103 (3 months ago)

Yeah, I think they only have those hack Zeiss branded lenses.

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (3 months ago)

.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

Or Sigma.

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Charrick
By Charrick (3 months ago)

Try the Sigma 50mm 1.4 Art. It's second only to the Zeiss Otus in image quality (but cheaper and has autofocus, thus making it a better buy for most people), and better than anything Canon or Nikon have at that focal length (although this lens is also for those systems).

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

And as a bonus it will be stabilized, just lik every prime (or lens in general).

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (3 months ago)

Ah yes, good point. I forgot those new Siggies are available for a-mount. I have to say this is an interesting camera - I suppose its high ISO performance will make it or break it, given that you're sure as hell going to find yourself needing higher sensitivities than on comparable cameras. (It'd better be good or you'll just buy a Pentax K3 won't you!)

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Olymore
By Olymore (3 months ago)

I believe the fixed mirror loses one third of a stop. Hardly an onerous amount which is not going to make much difference to your ISO settings.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Of course there are. The Sony 16-80mm f3.5-4.5 is a reference lens . . . the best in its class. The Sony 28-75mm f2.8 is spectacular! It produces image quality as good or better than the Canon 24-70mm f2.8 L II or the Nikon 24-70mm f2.8 G. Sony also has the amazing 24-70mm f2.8, which beats the Canon and Nikon competitors. What Sony needs to do is put their 36 MP sensor in the A99 body and call it the A99 II. They need to make an A79 with all the features of the A77, but with more buffer memory, two UHS2 memory card slots, built-in GPS, and a sensor with no anti-aliasing filter. 14 fps and 4K video capabilities would be nice too.

I'd like to see more new lenses for these babies too, like a kick-ass 600mm f4 or a class-leading 800mm f5.6 (not that I'll ever have the money to buy one).

BTW, I forgot to include the 16-50mm f2.8 - that lens is amazing! It's incredibly sharp, and it's one of the few Sony lenses that is weather sealed.

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Emacs23
By Emacs23 (3 months ago)

@scottelly fanboy detected
No test so far confirms this Sony Zeiss branded lens is better than Nikon or Canon. All test shows it is slightly behind the Nikon and Canon trounces them all. Just don't bee blind or stupid.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Thank you for making your comment Emacs23. I am correct about what I said . . . except where the new Canon 24-70mm f2.8 L II is concerned. THAT is the new king of the 24-70mm f2.8 lenses, from what I can tell. Just take a look at how sharp they all are:

http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1181/cat/83
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1121/cat/13
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/143/cat/11
http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1494/cat/11

Here are some other people's opinions:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/860184

BTW, I AM indeed a Sony fanboy, becauase they make awesome stuff . . . though I am upset with them for taking out the GPS from the new A77 and not putting GPS or in-body stabilization in their mirrorless cameras. I'm also upset that they have not been introducing more, better lenses for the SLT cameras. I will get an A65 and possibly an A77, eventually.

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fabio riccardi
By fabio riccardi (3 months ago)

To Richard Butler:

If you want fast autofocus in not so good light, you need a mirror of some sort.

The mirror, flipping or not, allows to use large, dedicated phase detection sensors, which work much more reliably in low light situations.

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Cheng Bao
By Cheng Bao (3 months ago)

What's your point? SLT is a kind of mirror.
And also, SLT or SLR, there is only a small part of light will be used on AF, the major part (~70%) of light have to be used on view finder, evf or optical.

w/o mirrors, all light could be used as AF and view finder in same time in theory, so in the end, on sensor af will be better than standalone AF

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (3 months ago)

Sony claims that A77II auto-focuses down to -2EV, which is much better than most of the competition with flipping mirror.

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

The Panasonic gx7 I own actually focusses better in low light then my DSLR. -4ev. However tracking with contrast based systems is still terrible.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"The mirror, flipping or not, allows to use large, dedicated phase detection sensors"

If they are that large, the focus they provide cannot be pixel-perfect.

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (3 months ago)

Three cameras, same price: $ 1199

Sony A77II: 12fps
Nikon D7100: 6fps
Canon 70D: 7fps

SLT rules, flipping mirror sucks!

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Cheng Bao
By Cheng Bao (3 months ago)

Pentax K-3: 8.3 fps
and D7100 can achieve 7.1 fps on 1.3x (over 1.5x sensor) crop mode

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Juck
By Juck (3 months ago)

Umm, no Frank. Let's wait to see how well the AF tracking algorithm works before we get all excited. 12 FPS means ZIP if half the shots are OOF.

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (3 months ago)

The maximum fps depends on mechanical limits of the mirror- shutter system, not on the performance of the AF system.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Canon 1Dx is a full-frame camera and it has a flipping mirror. It shoots at 14 fps.

But it costs more than five times the price of the A77 II.

What is the limit? Huh?

The Nikon V3 shoots 18 MP photos at 20 fps while tracking subjects, and it can shoot 18 MP photos at up to 60 fps without tracking. Mirrors suck!

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Frank_BR
By Frank_BR (3 months ago)

Canon 1Dx shoots at 12 fps in high speed mode.
To achieve 14 fps the mirror must be locked up.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (3 months ago)

you are talking prices instead of classes. The a77 is along side the old d300s and 7D both are on the verge of being replaced but will cost a bit more than the a77. sony has been trying to tempt buyers with low prices on cameras for quite some time now without huge gains. Low prices and high quality, high performance rarely go together.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

The fact is these camera makers have been using old technology, making huge profits, for a long time now. The "new" Nikon D5300 is barely an upgrade. The so-called upgraded D7100, while better than the old D7000, has a sensor that is about the same as the old Sony A77 sensor from years ago. It is crippled by a tiny buffer, which is smaller than the much older, cheaper Sony A77. That is indeed PATHETIC . . . but Nikon knows that they are not offering anything better, so their customers will buy it. I am surprised more people do not buy the Sony A77, but I guess it comes down to marketing, which is something Sony seems to be dropping the ball on. For just a $300 million investment Sony could build 300 new stores across the World. Instead they are closing down their stores. Stupid. I will not buy a camera I can't see first, and Sony can not get into camera shops, because they use strong-arm tactics to try and force dealers to sell other Sony products, like televisions!

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Dimit
By Dimit (3 months ago)

I say Sony gives exams for its SLT technology.
It's an excellent evolution vs A77,wouldn't consider it as a revolution though.To stand over competition from Canicon (60D,7100) needs a bit more..a bit..

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Stephan Def
By Stephan Def (3 months ago)

waiting for some hard data.

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DaddyG
By DaddyG (3 months ago)

12fps in jpeg. Anyone know what does it does in RAW & buffer size? thx

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ET2
By ET2 (3 months ago)

12 fps in raw (25 or 28 frames buffer - seen different numbers on different sites)

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

26 RAW at 12 fps, 28 RAW at 8 fps.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

So they DID increase the buffer size! Yay!

Now . . . did they increase the memory card slot write speed to UHS104 cards? (That's what people seem to call the fastest UHS-1 cards.) I'll choke if they put a couple of UHS2 card slots in this thing. That would be AWESOME.

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ImageAmateur
By ImageAmateur (3 months ago)

Well the Nikon D7100 does plenty JPEG continuous but only about 7 frames RAW buffer...

Lol.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (3 months ago)

I think Sony's SLT A77 II will be as good as any of the other enthusiast DSLRs out there, especially if the new AF module can deliver on the performance promised by the camera's 12fps burst rate. The problem is that the enthusiast DSLR market is over saturated with really good cameras from all of the DSLR makers. So, other than keeping the Sony SLT fans loyal to the brand, I don't see how the A77 II is going to attract enough attention to take marketshare from the other camera makers. What Sony really needs is a high end professional model that strengthens their brand identity by making them stand out from the crowd, similar to what the Pentax 645Z will do for that brand. And no, the SLT A99 is not it. Still, I think it's great that fans of EVF equipped cameras have a camera to choose that offers all of the advantages of a traditional DSLR. Nice update Sony!

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

The A99 II could be it. If Sony were to put the 36 MP sensor in that, increase the shooting speed in manual to full 10 fps, add wi-fi, bigger buffer, and upgraded auto-focusing capabilities, like this new A77 II has, it would kick-so much ass that just about EVERYONE would want to shoot with it. Where Sony REALLY needs to push is their line of lenses. They need to make a few kick-ass super-telephotos and tilt-shift lenses.

I would like to know why you think the A99 is not a high-end DSLR competitor. It's fully weather sealed. It has a full-frame sensor. It is 24 megapixel with excellent image quality as good as anything Canon has to offer and better than anything from Nikon except the D800 and D800e (matching the D600/610 and D3x). It has better high-ISO performance than the D800 and shoots faster than anything else under $5,000. In fact, it shoots faster than any full frame camera that captures 24 megapixels or more. It is the ONLY full frame camera with a fold-out screen.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

I can not figure out why Sony refuses to add the on-chip PDAF feature to its A-mount models. For now, it seems the only way to make the AF ultimately correct while enough fast (like on the A6000). Now I see again that cr----- AF microadjust which means that the user won't be able to shoot reliably with fast lenses. If one needs 12 fps with tracking he can use the SLT system. But in a different situatuion he may be interested in the ultimate reliability of the AF system. Will see how fast the A77II's conventional CDAF system is.

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pew pew
By pew pew (3 months ago)

A mount lenses would not work in a mirrorless camera, the only solution would be to make a slt with the E mount, but still theres room for mirrorless and dslr \slt because they are better with moving objects.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

Why won't the A-mount lenses work in a mirrorless camera? The Canon 70D has the on-chip PDAF detectors and uses the same EF/EFS lenses adapted for the standalone PDAF detector.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

Even with a dedicated STM lens, the 70D is about 5 times slower to focus than the old A77. With the non optimized lenses that difference can grow even further.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

For me, the only question is, whether the on-chip PDAF would be faster than the CDAF (btw, does the A77II really have at least CDAF?)

If it would, Sony should have added it. I do not care about the SLT in this respect.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

TrojMacReady I think you are mistaken. I have not used the 70 D yet, but I have seen it demonstrated, and it appears to focus VERY quickly, like as fast as my A55 could focus.

As far as using A-mount lenses on the mirrorless bodies goes . . .

YES YOU CAN.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1008166-REG/sony_laea4_a_mount_to_e_mount_lens.html

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

Controlled measurements done by IR showed over 0.6 seconds with an STM lens in LV mode. Not what I would call fast when an A77 takes little over 0.1 seconds for the same exercise. But it is faster than previous iterations which could take 1 to several seconds to focus.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

One of the main reasons I switched to Sony was the fast focusing, while shooting with the fold-out screen. What matters is real-world use. Canon seems to have fixed their slow live-view focusing. Unfortunately Nikon has not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beXzpeixvhE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGktCLL6-Lo

From what I see in those tests, it appears that low light focusing speed is an issue with the Canon. I KNOW from using my Sony A55 that low-light focusing is NOT an issue on the Sony SLT cameras.

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Jurka
By Jurka (3 months ago)

AVCHD is sooo yesterday...

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pew pew
By pew pew (3 months ago)

now its AVCHD2 and its pretty decent, look at videos from the a6000 they look identical to the nikon 5300.

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Henrik Herranen
By Henrik Herranen (3 months ago)

Hmh.
I know I sound like a broken record, but how is sensor size not worthy to be on the list of "Key specifications"? Isn't that pretty much the #1 specification of a camera without a fixed lens, even much more important than the number of megapixels?

Really, please, don't assume everyone remembers the sensor size of every camera series of every manufacturer. Yes, some of the nerds know (almost) all of them by heart, but not everyone, not by a long shot..

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DStudio
By DStudio (3 months ago)

It must take a lot of effort to look slightly down the page at the first chart in the article, or at the full specifications that immediately follow it on the next page.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (3 months ago)

APS-C sensor size isn't something to boast about. If it's an FF camera that information will be shown prominently at the top, otherwise it will be buried somewhere.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

I agree. If "Top panel LCD" deserves to be on the list then "Sensor size - APS-C (1.5 x crop factor)" does too.

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Hawaii-geek
By Hawaii-geek (3 months ago)

No two(2) card slots?

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samhain
By samhain (3 months ago)

Do hobbyists/enthusiasts really need 2 slots? That's more of a pro feature me thinks...

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antares103
By antares103 (3 months ago)

Sony's implementation of 2 card slots has been rather pointless anyway. I would love to see it happen.

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

I had a card failure or 2. These things happen and all your shots are gone. Dual SD is a must at this level both the k3 and d7100 have it.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

Yes, two slots. One SD and one Memorystick.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Two multi-card slots would be better. The one slot they have now is a multi-card slot. Why not just put in another one like that?

1 upvote
pwilly
By pwilly (3 months ago)

With the engineering folks from KM, there is a lot of talent for extending the legacy technologies. Add that to the bright folks at Sony Imaging that think in terms of electronics anyway. How is it surprising that there are multiple forks in the Alpha line?
I say more power to them. They need to scare Canon and Nikon to death. Competition is a good thing!

9 upvotes
Hawaii-geek
By Hawaii-geek (3 months ago)

Minimum Shutter Speed in Auto ISO would have been nice. and a Stainless Steel Mount like the a7s ?

1 upvote
Cartagena Photo
By Cartagena Photo (3 months ago)

Why does everyone want stainless steel. If only you knew. Stainless steel are softer and not as hard as the steel you otherwise would use for the mount. It is therefore not as durable as normal steel.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

Wrong. It is the chrome plating of the regular mount that is hard . . . not the regular steel. Stainless steel is VERY hard . . . unless the high-carbon steel is hardened steel, and I seriously doubt that is the case, since it is coated with chrome anyway. Titanium would be best. That stuff is harder than almost anything! Actually, if they were to make it out of carbon 64 nano-tubules they would have the ULTIMATE mount - stronger than steel, lighter than titanium, and harder than diamonds! ;)

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Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (3 months ago)

While I don't necessarily need the AF assist lamp on all the time, i'm a bit disappointed by it's removal.

Is the af sensor good enough to work in nearly no light?

How intrusive is using the flash as an af assist light?

I know some of the newer canon compacts switched to white LED's for their assist lamps, just wondering how it will work with the A77II

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (3 months ago)

The new AF sensor is rated to work as low as -2EV, which is pretty impressive. We can't really test it with a pre-production unit, though.

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tagomilonga
By tagomilonga (3 months ago)

You mean you can't publish results, surely you can test it, can't you?

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macclesfieldman
By macclesfieldman (3 months ago)

I agree... also for the IQ in RAW...

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Lab D
By Lab D (3 months ago)

Is the aperture during video (and AF) still fixed at F/3.5 or widest available?

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pew pew
By pew pew (3 months ago)

I would like to know that too.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (3 months ago)

I've checked and yes, it is: the camera needs to hold the aperture open in order to ensure the AF sensor is illuminated. It's a requirement of the SLT system.

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Azurael
By Azurael (3 months ago)

It's not the fact I can't stop down and have AF in video, I understand why that is - but my a99 uses f/3.5 even on a larger aperture lens...

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

That's pretty stupid, huh? Why can't you use f2.8 or f1.4 and still have auto-focus?

0 upvotes
Candle11
By Candle11 (3 months ago)

What is the future of Sony A-Mount System? are there anymore lenses and equipment coming out?

1 upvote
Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

Focus have for sure been to establish the FF e-mount for a while. But the new AF module send signals of long term commitment.
Time will tell.

2 upvotes
Impulses
By Impulses (3 months ago)

And FF A, and APSC E? Sony has a lot of balls in the air right now... Wonder if they are just gonna let the market decide.

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antares103
By antares103 (3 months ago)

I hear they have an A77 replacement coming.

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

I'd like to see an A79 . . . but sold as a step up from the A77. Faster shooting speed and some other upgrades maybe . . . dual card slots, bigger buffer, no anti-aliasing filter, built-in GPS, better viewfinder, 10 fps in manual shooting mode, 4K video, etc. They could probably sell something like that for $1,499 all day long.

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xlabsmedan
By xlabsmedan (3 months ago)

in this class of camera, speed and the accuracy of focus is number 1, i hope a77 ii can prove the SLT system worth to still production :)

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Akpinxit
By Akpinxit (3 months ago)

on paper it miles ahead of Canon 7D (which suppose to have best AF system in class) , but we should wait for RAW samples , there can be "strange" (if not nasty) surprises : compressed RAW data , CA or oversharp edges and small details artifacts

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repdetect
By repdetect (3 months ago)

Looks like it's still crippled by a lack of audio controls for video.

I am wrong, Sony page says it does. How about that!

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buratino
By buratino (3 months ago)

at least for original a77: not only lack of controls, but any monitoring as well: plug an external mic and you get no indication if sound works!

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D1N0
By D1N0 (3 months ago)

No weather sealing?

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WetCoast
By WetCoast (3 months ago)

I assume weather-sealed, since the a77 is.

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antares103
By antares103 (3 months ago)

in the "specifications" it lists "environmentally sealed" and "yes" right next to it.

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

@antares: yes, but is it WEATHER-sealed :p?

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Scottelly
By Scottelly (3 months ago)

It obviously isn't B.S. sealed.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (3 months ago)

All fine except the naming.

I don't get the "II" name? This and the RX100 II seem to be suggesting Sony's doing something new with the naming. The A7/A7R/A7S set is also a different naming scheme. And of course they dropped the NEX names. To add further to the confusion, long after announcing that all full-frame E-mount will be called FE, Sony's own web site uses phrases like "full-frame E-mount."

You'd think a company able to so cleanly engineer complex new camera systems would be able to come up with a better naming convention for them.... ;-)

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AlphaTikal
By AlphaTikal (3 months ago)

Yeah, I don't understand the naming scheme. But who cares? I mean, if the naming is the only issue you have, it is the perfect camera. To me. This is true, besides it does not have GPS anymore.

2 upvotes
RandyPD
By RandyPD (3 months ago)

Well. II is the Roman numeral for '2'. Does the Canon system of naming a newer camera after a guy (Mark) makes sense also?

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (3 months ago)

Canon has bigger problems than dumb names. ;-)

The A77II would be a great upgrade from my A55... except I have my NEX-7 and A7 with LA-EA1/2/4 adapters for that. All I'm really missing is the sensor-movement anti-shake and the pivot on the LCD. In trade for that, I get the ability to use tons of lenses that can't be adapted to A-mount. Good trade for me.

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FRANCISCO ARAGAO
By FRANCISCO ARAGAO (3 months ago)

How about low light performance. How does it compare with the "old" A77?

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hippo84
By hippo84 (3 months ago)

We know it when there will be RAW support and cameras with final firmware

3 upvotes
pacnwhobbyist
By pacnwhobbyist (3 months ago)

At least they brought the price down from the original model. It should have better high ISO performance that its predecessor too.

0 upvotes
Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

This A77II is a near perfect camera for most things i've been doing.
But there are some quirks that i just don't understand why sony is delaing it so much.
Why no touchscreen?
Why no ISO info on the top LCD?
Why use the same battery from the A700 times?(A new battery is an urgent upgrade, to make it more competitive, my D7000, i can shoot more then 1000 shot per battery easily and was launched 4 years ago)
Other than that i really don't understand the order of AF mode MF, C, A, S?

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

The only way to up battery life for these cameras is a larger battery, which would mean it's no longer backwards compatible and will require a larger body.

The same battery has a >1000 CIPA rating in an old A500 too, but that's because OVF cameras simply require a lot less battery juice. Set a D7000 to LV all the time and the battery life will be cut in half (or more) too.

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hippo84
By hippo84 (3 months ago)

I've done more than 220000 shots with my A77. In real life A77 usually does 700-1200 shots per 1 battery, and it's very acceptable result for camera with EVF

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (3 months ago)

Another good way to improve batter life is to stop chimping and turn off automatic postview. In a way it's similar to using the camera a film camera. I only use postview if you have a very good reason to (e.g. checking critical exposure). That's what I'm doing with my A77 and I find it to be a very liberating experience.

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

Yes, but the technology evolves, and i assure you that batterys now can last longer with the same physical size, and this type of cameras that relys on evfs and lcds need to have a proportional bigger battery power, not having an ovf its not an excuse for less shots.
Backwars compatibility in this case is kind of a dumb thing because its diferent tech used, wich needs much more battery life to be competitive.
Looking at the specs, 79 AF with FASTER and more RESPONSIVE af, should need more juice from the batterys, much more processor intesive calculations, even when the processor is probably a much more energy eficient. The lens has to move at a faster pace and for that only making a much lighter lens.
Lenses are for lifetime people don't change lenses as they change cameras, so i guess a new battery is needed.

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

Well, 700 to 1200 thats waaaay more than what they claim, i have to verify that

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

I only chimp, (i think chimp is to look at the photo review on the lcd)
when i change exposure (in a dificult light situation), WB or take a photo with very thin DPOF, i guess theres no need to chimp on evf, you are realtime chimping.

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TheVoid
By TheVoid (3 months ago)

The backwards compatibility is an attractive feature, not a limitation in my opinion. If they introduced a new battery for this camera you'd be reading the complaints of folks who regularly carry multiple bodies and really like having them share the same battery, charger, etc. The vertical grip is recommended for those who need extra life, and lots of us carry spare batteries too when travelling...it's something we live with these days.

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

I think the benefits of keeping the old battery, so that most people have easy access to a couple of spares accumulated over the years or gotten cheaply off Tinterwebs, greatly outweigh the benefits of introducing an entire new battery.

But in the end this being Sony they'd get slated whichever way they choose :|.

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

Well, i have an assumpition that sony have two missions, get more newbies on its system, and catch pros from the other systems.
For the newbies case, my first interchangeable sony was nex 3, was a very very bad choice, the system was very imature and much worse than my d60 that i hated because of its size and bulkiness, in the end d60 was a much better performer, mostly because it was much more reliable, much more in focus picks, much more easily acessible buttons, faster auto-focus, battery life...
Well, i sold my nex3 and hoped to someday get back to sony, but some works needed more lenses and the thing goes on now i'm with nikon, my d7000 has some problems, with AF, when in live view for some time or long shoot the screen gets crazy and the camera locks. This is increasing, i guess i got faulty camera but as i live in Brasil nikon has a terrible repair service here...

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

Then, now as i work as semi-pro photographer and make money with it, to change to another system i need to re-sell everything that i have, buy new expensive products, learn the equipment and everything, its a burden. So expect sony, or other manufacture to bring a system much better than the one i have. I want less problems, not more.
One of the things i really like with D7000 is the great DR, good high iso perf, "Good AF", and battery life. I have grip and 2 batterys, never had a necessity to have more then 2 batterys for a day of shooting, in the worst case the first battery was charged beffore the second one was discharged.
So i want the same experience on this side of things and better experience on the others. Long time sony users are not a huge consumer base. So i can't see a new battery as something that would hurt sony, i guess this would be beneficial. For them, to continue this pursuit to be in the market, and maybe became a market leader.

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SteveJnerChicago
By SteveJnerChicago (3 months ago)

Have used A77 since November 2012. Glad Sony kept old Battery. I shoot Birds. Always in Continuous AF mode and always get at least 2000 and have gotten up to 3050 images on one battery.To get the most out of Battery...
Keep LCD turned into body. (Only use when needed.)
Turn on Eye Start EVF
Turn off GPS (An almost useless feature. Unless you're lost)

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

And Gary Friedman advises to NOT switch the camera off/on repeatedly but instead set the power save to its shortest setting.

The rationale (which makes sense) being that every power off/on makes the camera go through the entire power off/start up protocol including sensor shake etc.

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En Trance
By En Trance (3 months ago)

Certainly not going to make me replace my A77. This one seams to be focused on the noise issues for the A77. I don't need the GPS or WiFi, I have a Cell Phone, Duh! Sony really has not convinced me that they are loyal to my A-Mount either, with this "Nothing Upgrade". I am glad that my A77 still has 2 years of life left for me. After that time, Sony better have 36 MP covered or I may consider a switch. Disappointed!

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Sammy the Seal
By Sammy the Seal (3 months ago)

I've been a A77 user for a year and a half. Learning about the loss of GPS and AF assist lamp dampened my enthusiasm somewhat but I'm still very interested to see how they've addressed viewfinder brightness and high ISO noise. Although there is intrusive noise on the A77 starting around ISO 1600 (isn't that true of most APS-C cameras?) I have found that with the 16-50 f/2.8 lens it's not a major problem. If the new sensor/processor combination provides noise improvement as they claim it will be a welcome update, as will be a brighter and sharper viewfinder. To the people who dismiss these cameras out of hand because of ISO noise charts: In side by side tests with my Canon 60D I found that using the same aperture and shutter speed, I was able to get the same exposure on the A77 (based on the histograms) at an ISO setting a stop lower than that of the 60D, and the resulting pictures on the A77 were much better to boot. I hope they've also addressed the underexposure problem.

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bawboh86
By bawboh86 (3 months ago)

Hmmmmm... I'm still using my OG A77 and see no real reason to upgrade. Maybe if they fix some of the ISO performance so I can feel more comfortable shooting above 1200 without drowning in so much noise (most of which can be easily removed post-processing, but that's an extra step in editing that I'd like to skip). That was the only complaint I've ever had with the SLT version of the Alpha series. Again, I LOVE LOVE LOVE my A77. :)

0 upvotes
SteveJnerChicago
By SteveJnerChicago (3 months ago)

While it certainly could be better ( High ISO noise ) I've found that setting the "High ISO Noise Reduction" setting to "Low" gives a much improved noise reduction in camera. The normal and high settings actually induce amplifier noise. Still not great but much better. I love my A77 also but the II version has some nice specs. Still, will wait to see real world image samples and test results before I buy one.

0 upvotes
HaroldC3
By HaroldC3 (3 months ago)

Curious how this compares to the AF system in the A6000.

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123Mike
By 123Mike (3 months ago)

People that want the A77ii to be better are making claims that it is better, and they're claiming the A6000 can not be as good unless backed by evidence. And then every bit of evidence that the A6000 is downplayed. In other words, a lot of wishful thinking.

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

For the people missing the assisting lamp please read the entire first impressions, the flash now has, somehow, the funcion of it, so people stop complaining, and about the gps, NFC and smartphone, if use an iphone, i don't know if apple is addept or will add NFC in the future, but is a fairly common feature of the last 2 years smartphones or so, use it for GPS. Its a better choice in my humble opnion, uses less batery for the tool while not consuming too much from the phone either and probably with accurately results in any country of the world because GPS is not the standard for all the countrys and because cell phones can use "triangulation" with the phone companies.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (3 months ago)

The flash is not a good replacement for the AF Assist lamp as it's very distracting and far less effective (as it does not project patterned light). It's really a terrible option if you're shooting using ambient light you don't want to blind your subjects with the flash.

Apple does not and says that it will not support NFC.

Using the phone GPS is not confirmed to be supported by the A77, but in any case it'll use *more power* as the camera and phone need to constantly communicate, where they don't if the camera has a built in GPS.

GPS is not country-dependant. It uses satellites and is available all over the world. Where did you even come up with the notion that it's not?

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Ben Ramsey
By Ben Ramsey (3 months ago)

Built in flash has been used as an af assist on many models for many years now and has always been the less desirable option. In lower light it's even more unpleasant to have a flash of white light hit you than a beam of red light. Besides annoying/blinding your subjects, it also is acts somewhat as a false trigger and can tell your subject you've already taken the picture when, in fact, you haven't. Hopefully the camera will focus well enough in low light that af assist can just be turned off.

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

Well, i probably missread about the GPS, Glonass, was the "GPS" in Russia, where the implemantion is not in cameras, only in smartphones, but other than that, you don't have to constantly, and you will not do that with NFC, using the GPS, when you want or have to, you will conect to the phone and make mark. And probably, if sony already dont have an app to make it, some third party app probably has.
OBS: NFC uses very low energy, so even doing this will consume less.
Phones are faster and easier to recharge, and you don't have to wait until it recharges 100% to get it off, neither cameras but is prefereable to wait auntil its fully charged.

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (3 months ago)

Marcelobtp, there's no way in hell I'm manually using NFC to transfer location after each picture. The only valid option is for the phone and camera talk in the background. Anything that require me to be an active part in this communication (other than a single one-time pairing) is not an option.

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Marcelobtp
By Marcelobtp (3 months ago)

Well Prognathous, for me is, but maybe i'm not the normal type of GPS user. My process is, i've changed the location, i make a mark and start shooting. It's not like i'm travelling at 100km/h, and shooting at the same time. When i'm trekking, i just map the way. Generaly my phone don't map correctly on places that are not well populated, like forests and mountains.
If this kind of conection, like touch the camera to phone and auto mark my gps location (and aditional info) i would be very pleased.

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Deicide
By Deicide (3 months ago)

Steve Jobs was opposed on putting HDMI on devices excluding Apple TV for obvious reasons, but look where we are now, every MacBook has a HDMI output port.

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ppapageorgiou
By ppapageorgiou (3 months ago)

This camera is at a point on the product line that's now pointless. Who needs a high-end APS-C camera? They should discontinue the A77, revise the A65 instead, and maybe introduce a cheaper full frame like an A85.

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hippo84
By hippo84 (3 months ago)

Why is it pointless? A77II with 16-50/2.8 costs like cheapest FF. Are 7D and D7100 pointless too?

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

If you need reach, APS-C has a real advantage.

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SteveY80
By SteveY80 (3 months ago)

APS-C definitely has an advantage for wildlife photography.

Even with a long lens it's often necessary to heavily crop when shooting a bird in flight or a skittish little creature.

At the same distance, with the same lens, a 24mp APS-C sensor will provide a much higher resolution cropped image than a 24mp full frame like the A99.

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SteveJnerChicago
By SteveJnerChicago (3 months ago)

Ditto! APS-C is a must for Bird Photography.

1 upvote
Tetraodon
By Tetraodon (3 months ago)

@ppapageorgiou: The irony-tags are missing ;-)

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a Michael
By a Michael (3 months ago)

Do they not let you raise the mirror if you want to just use contrast detection auto focus to increase IQ for high ISO? That would be an awesome feature. You get the best of both worlds, depending on your needs.

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tjwaggoner
By tjwaggoner (3 months ago)

These cameras dont have contrast detection AF systems. PDAF only. The a99 being somewhat of an exception but still only uses PDAF but it has the dedicated module as well as on-chip. You can pop the mirror out and the cameras work just fine, just no AF so you have to use the focus peaking to manual focus. Plenty of tests done on this with crops posted and there is such a tiny amount of difference that it would be insignificant for most peoples use. Somebody who prefers to manually focus or just uses MF lenses, can take it out not lose anything though. Still kind of the best of both worlds

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (3 months ago)

@ a Michael - I agree, that would seem to be the way forward. Although it'll take some design work - see Kai Wong's review of the previous version of this camera on YouTube - if you raise the mirror it protrudes through the flange...

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Juck
By Juck (3 months ago)

MAybe I missed it,,, What's the burst/buffer depth for RAW,, anyone know?

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Jeff Keller
By Jeff Keller (3 months ago)

It's around 25 shots.

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Juck
By Juck (3 months ago)

Thx,, not bad,, about the same as a 7D and only a couple less than a 1D mk IV.

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cplunk
By cplunk (3 months ago)

Also depending on the write speed of the card, if the buffer is able to clear fast enough it will add at least a few more shots to the ultimate number you are able to get into a burst.

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 months ago)

26 RAW at 12 fps, 28 RAW at 8 fps.

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Juck
By Juck (3 months ago)

impressive,, let's hope the AF tracking algorithm is up to the task.

2 upvotes
ArturK
By ArturK (3 months ago)

I just don't get it. If it has an EVF then why the translucent mirror? Can't the image from the sensor go directly into the EVF?

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (3 months ago)

The mirror feeds the autofocus module not the EVF. (Focusing using the sensor is very accurate but slow.)

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a Michael
By a Michael (3 months ago)

The mirror is for the Phase detection auto focus.

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BeeJee
By BeeJee (3 months ago)

It does.
The translucent mirror is for directing some light onto the separate phase detection AF sensor (which still offers faster AF than on-main-sensor AF pixels).

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Shamael
By Shamael (3 months ago)

It does, the AF sensor needs the mirror deviation, the sensing module being on the top. You look through the sensor, but AF doesn't. In mirrorless ILS, sensor with pdaf AF sensing that AF module is not needed. Here you need one for phase detection. I do not know if future A mount cameras will have PDAF only like mirrorless, it would be a big step forward and the mirror would disappear.

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EXX
By EXX (3 months ago)

The image from the sensor does go to the EVF directly. The translucent mirror is just a beam splitter that splits off 30% of the incoming light to the AF module. The remainder goes to the sensor.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (3 months ago)

Dis hear po' guy lyke Sony, but tink da a65 iz mo' beddah bung fa buck.

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (3 months ago)

Very well said!

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topstuff
By topstuff (3 months ago)

Yes - jkoch2 makes more sense than many people on here.. :)

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (3 months ago)

Yes, and I hope at least jkoch2 is not one of those that helps to "improve" Google translate.

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (3 months ago)

The most NEW, attractive feature is ... are the 3 slots dedicated to the custom white balance!

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thebustos
By thebustos (3 months ago)

Do you mean the memory recall slots?

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Claudio NC
By Claudio NC (3 months ago)

Yes, exactly.
I think that it is a typo.
My English say 'settings', not slots that are hardware things, ports, etc.
Is it right?

0 upvotes
EvilOne
By EvilOne (3 months ago)

Not enough bang, for me to be interested. My A77 still wows me.

2 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (3 months ago)

Canon and Nikon better take a real hard look at this camera and figure out how to duplicate it for less money.

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

CaNikon are going to release overpriced rehashed old models, that due to having a 1/3 stop better noise performance at ISO 25600, a 3 frame deeper buffer size or built-in GPS will still be hailed as better cameras by the critics (and hence, the buying public).

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