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This Semi-transparent mirror is at the heart of Sony's SLT cameras. Light hits this mirror and approximately a third of the is sent upward to the AF sensor, while the rest continues on to the CMOS.
The a77 has a built-in flash, which is released electronically. The flash has a guide number of 12 meters at ISO 100. It's also used as a focusing aid in low light, replacing the dedicated AF-assist lamp on the original a77.
This dial, at the bottom-left of the camera's front plate, switches between manual, continuous, auto, and single autofocus mode.
The mode dial has been redesigned and now features three Memory Recall (MR) slots. There's also a locking mechanism that requires you to hold the center button down in order to rotate the dial.
One feature that has become increasingly rare on DSLRs is an LCD info display on the top plate. This backlit display shows things like aperture, shutter speed, drive mode, shots remaining, and battery life.
The a77's electronic viewfinder is one of the best you'll find, with 2.36 million dots and a magnification 1.09x. An eye sensor automatically switches between the LCD and EVF. The diopter correction knob can be seen on the far right side.
The joystick on the rear of the camera is your main tool for menu navigation. It's movement is a bit tight, and pressing inward accidentally can be an issue.
The a77 II has a wide selection of I/O ports, including flash sync, remote control, DC-in (covered here), microphone, HDMI, and USB.
As with its predecessor, the a77 II supports both SD/SDHC/SDXC and Memory Stick Pro Duo cards.

The a77 II uses the familiar NP-FM500H battery, which dates back to the A700. The battery contains 11.8Wh of energy, which translates into 480 shots per charge with the LCD, and 410 with the EVF. That's a 10% drop compared to the original a77.

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BobFoster

I am an owner of the “old” A77, and I had found that the perhaps strongest feature, especially for video shooting, is the uniquely flexible monitor. I cannot find any obstacles of using whatsoever accessories with that - and I use a lot of them. Exactly the fact that the LCD Screen does not - only - tilt to the side, but rather anywhere you need, makes it so usable.

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Jryskamp93

When can we expect to see a full review of the a77ii?

1 upvote
Everlast66

The were in a hurry to publish the Samsung NX1 promotional video before Christmas so no time to finish the A77II review in the last 7 months :)

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Hawaii-geek

Did I miss where it is "listed" at how LOW of a Light the a77m2 can AF in?

-2EV AF?

* and the Shooting Experience ... maybe now with the NEW FW update. :)

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lightnfast

The worst thing ANY reporting agency of any kind is to be opinionated to the degree of either discounting or omitting a person, a product, a review, a story or a report. Just the facts [Dragnet], now at the end of an article, then present a editorial. . The reason I say this..is that it seems as though no one wants this electronic so called 'toy' manufacture to succeed with the cameras they have brought to market. They call them 'toys', yet...Sony produces sensors for many other brands, electronic up the ying-yang. The are innovative to the point that it is sometimes scary, and they do trip over their feet every once in a while. But they try. I am not about to put down Nikon or Canon, or any other camera manufacture. They all benefit from this, they all benefit from new ideals. They all try to leap frog each other. This only serves the us better. I have to say Sony and this A77-2 is wonderful and a really 'neat' twist to old ideals. Is it prefect? nope !

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Douglas F Watt

what's troubling here are the signs that DPR is simply in over their heads: a) have had to go to 'fluff' 1st impressions reviews for all kinds of stuff and the number of actual substantive reviews per month has really dropped off from the start of the year; b) not able to collect information competently (took JPEGS from this camera with NR turned off, didn't notice - until I pointed that out - same mistake made on the Sony RX1r too) and hasn't reshot the studio images for either Sony camera, leaving everyone wondering what's up; c) neglecting Sony out of a Canikon bias (doubtful given all the Gold Awards to Sony stuff over the last three years).

Bottom line - something is really amiss at DPR. Desperately short staffed? Overextended?

What is going on with DPR???????

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zubs

Hello DP REVIEW, why no review? Is it because it's not a Canon...

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hippo84

Maybe, DPR are waiting for announced FW update coming in december?

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leoshueh08

Some of the pictures in the samples gallery were modified using Adobe Lightroom. I'm wondering what is the value of these samples if the viewers intend to form their buying decision based solely or even partly on these samples. If there is a real need to modify some of the pictures, please as least let the viewers know what have been modified so that misleading can be avoided.

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Brandon23

It's 6 months and just some first impression reviews. More information please.

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Scoots42

The price of this camera is coming down nicely... body <$900. I'm thinking of it for taking photos of my kids and their teams playing sports and just for an all around camera. My son plays college soccer and daughter grade school basketball(darker gyms).

What lens/lenses would you recommend for the above?

What camera would you buy instead in the same price range?

Thanks!

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k1000

I'd recommend pairing this with the Minolta 70-210 f/4 for sports photography. An amazing combo for ~$1000.

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andy1331

Tamron 70-200 / 2.8.
Either the new version for about 1000 € or the older (without ultrasonis motor) for about 500 €.
The camera is absolutely great. Easy choice. Lenses there are also more options depending on budget but the Tamrons mentioned above give great value for money...

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Scoots42

Thanks k1000 and andy1331

I still haven't pulled the trigger... Been back and forth with A77ii versus D7100... Leaning towards a77ii

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SorT

Hello everybody!
I have great troubles with my A77 II camera because it's totally damaged by water inside without using it on rain or in other conditions that could introduce water. Only have used it one afternoon on sea coast when air humidity could be little higher but without raining.
More information about my trouble-story (see .txt file) and photos of the damaged camera motherboard on this link:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ymgxsicwhib2144/AADv3XDkAk5zWoW8TLrQ9BXFa?dl=0
I'd like to ask people on this forum and especially the high specialized guys that make these reviews if this specification ''Environmentally sealed'' (that I find in most every review on internet about this camera) is real, what exactly means and until where goes this kind of protection because I've damaged my camera without using it in rain. Sony service guys told me that technically there is no such extreme dust and moisture protection in my camera! I think there is not such protection at all...
Thank you guys!

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winedarksea

I am really extremely tired of your failure to review this great camera. What the hell is going on? What is your motive? It is beginning to look like you are simply a shill for Canikon. I had hopes that was changing

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Vitruvius

More than SIX months and nothing. Just like in the camera stores where they must get bonuses to PUSH PUSH PUSH Canon and Nikon down everyone's throats, DPREVIEW puts one of the best cameras on the back shelf. I have this camera for 4 months and it is amazing. So I am doing my own tests and review.

Crude video reviews -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzBHuF_FRg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMLU_lFf6gM

Image / lens comparison tests -

https://www.flickr.com/photos/103391919@N03/15694819121/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/103391919@N03/14880460210/

Hey Amazon, I am open to offers too!

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kevin_r

I see the studio images are up for this camera - and they look terrible against the Canon 7D II, Nikon D7100, Pentax 5S II etc.
No wonder DPR kept it back.

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Rooru S

Ok guys, time to put your bets. Who says DPReview Staff gets the 7DMk.2 review done before the a77mk.2????

4 upvotes
SRHEdD

I've had this camera for about three months and love it more every day. After black flakes in my mirror box, and bright spots on my sensors, I finally bailed on Nikon and have never looked back. Less lenses to be sure, but the ones I need are available and work very well. Loving the 16-50 2.8 kit zoom! Having an A6000 as a second body is a dream as well. The lenses are small enough to keep a couple in the A77ii bag, and the flashes are good on both bodies. Excellent video, too (I'm not a video guy... but it satisfies my limited video needs VERY well.). The new shoe takes Sony flashes, video lights and microphones without cords. This is the kind of gear interconnectivity that is a pleasure to use, and delivers image quality every bit as good as my previous Nikons. Even my little Sony P/S takes the same hot-shoe attachments! How cool is THAT!?!

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kevin_r

So far most other reviews give this camera a 9 out of 10 rating.
What's up with DPR?
I suspect there's the small issue of MONEY involved somewhere.

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Douglas F Watt

The silence from DPR about the potential status of a review on the A77II is deafening. Numerous posts on the blog here expressing distress about the lack of a formal review, and not a peep from DPR. Is DPR too busy to respond? Or is no response thought wiser than bad news (that a full review isn't going to happen)?

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Douglas F Watt

Here's another classic mis-step associated with the once-over-lightly treatment. DPR is just plain wrong when they state "The electronic viewfinder, on the other hand, is unchanged" (from the A77). Nope. It's not. Way better control over contrast, and way better in low light.

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tbcass

It may or may not be the same OLED but you are right it gives the user more control over it. I own both the 77 & 77ii and the "2" EVF indeed looks much more natural than the older camera. It looks very close to an OVF.

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Miki Nemeth

With the 79 AF point Sony just missed again an opportunity to add touch-screen. The huge advantage of SLT vs DSLRs is that the PDAF module can be used in video/live view mode, too. Sony should have made the LCD touchable to compete against 70D or GH3/4. A77 is really the most versatile non-mirrorless APS-C camera and a touch screen would make it even outstanding. Sony is the most innovative company, but they cannot exploit their potential completely.

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kevin_r

So what "new" feature will they have left to entice you with for the next iteration?
Of course they knew we wanted the touch screen, they just want to have an ace up the sleeve to entice us to upgrade to the next version.
This will be in combination with the new 65 cross-point only AF system coming next - after the Canon 7D II.
All this in conjunction with the no-anti-alias filter and 28Mpx sensor.

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tbcass

I have to admit that touch control on that small of a screen doesn't interest me.

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ozgoldman

I recently bought this camera, with the new focus capabilities in mind. On Sunday I tried it out for the first time with the lock on focus feature at a car rally event.
It performed perfectly. Very pleased with this camera.

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Eleson

Any chance that this camera will be reviewed at dpr?
Or that atleast the studioscene shoots will be produced?

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Vitruvius

Part two of my personal experience with the A77ii - the remote control options - for those that might be interested. It is not high end production, just my thoughts since DPreview seems to be overwhelmed at the moment with all the new cameras on the market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6ZCTmMAIY

First look is here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzBHuF_FRg

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Eddi D

I've used this site before a long time when searching for my 1st camera. Now I'm back for an upgrade. I currently own a Minolta 7D and Sony A100.
I have the following lenses:
Peleng 8mm fisheye
Minolta 50mm 1.7
Sigma 15-30mm 3.5-4.5 DG
Tamron 28-75 2.8mm XR DI
Sigma 70-200mm 2.8 EX DG
Sigma APO 2X EX DG Teleconverter
I'm going to 'dump' my Minolta and give the Sony to my wife (she's small and it suits her perfectly). The new camera will be for me. I like shooting mostly sports. 70% outdoors (softball, bikingl, etc) as well as landscape (mountains, etc) and 30% indoors (kids volleyball and swimming). I am not currently doing it for money, but do plan on possibly starting.
I have 2 questions:
1. It seems the A77 and A77ii would fill my needs equally. But, is the A77ii worth the extra $300 (I've found both NIB and thinking long term)?
2.Just to verify, my lenses will fit on both cameras, correct? I can't afford to change all my lenses.
Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

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andy1331

Lenses will work.
The a77 II is much better concerning High ISO and Autofocus of moving subjects. So I would urgently recommend the a77 II !

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tbcass

I own both an A77 and an A77ii. The A77ii is easily worth the extra $300 over the A77. Your Sigma lenses may need an update to work depending on their age while Tamron and Minolta will work for sure. Contact Sigma for more info. I used to own an A100 and am familiar with the 7D. The A77 and A77ii are both major upgrades over what you have now.

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mosie

bought the m2 all lenses fit and I find the older manolta ones to give you a better picture.....and yes I own both a77 and a77m2

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kevin_r

You are missing out on the 85mm f/1.4 lens.
Maybe wait for the Sigma ART version.
I have the Minolta version and the images are just brilliant. Pity about the focusing which tends to hunt somewhat because of poor mechanical adjustment.

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PGGG

End of August. Alpha 77 II price already goes down in Hong Kong . Can get te Body for 960 USD. Are we going to have a full review before they stop selling it? also would be interesting to compare with Alpha 6000 as apart from a bigger volume and weight the performances of the two cameras appear quite similar....

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Sergey Borachev

There are more and more cameras released and also more and more DPR previews, and then more and more First Impression Reviews, hands-ons. The Sony Alpha 77 II has to wait, being a camera that will not sell as well as numerous others. Unfortunately, this is very commercial now. I think a really interesting camera does not necessarily get any priority if it is not considered $ignificant by DPR. The E-M5 was most interesting at its release but also delayed for a very long time while some other big brand cameras get reviewed very quickly. Money talks.

I don't expect the Alpha II review or any full reviews for a very long time, as many people are now travelling to Photokina. My guess is Feb at the earliest.

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Vitruvius

I did a preliminary review / overview of my new A77ii compared to my A77.
Here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzBHuF_FRg
Feel free to add comments. I am just learning about the camera myself and there is very little information out there for such a sophisticated camera.

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Owen Anson

Hi everyone, My first post on here.... I have to say as a professional photographer and a Cannon user. I'm so impressed with the sony range.. If I was starting again, I would defiantly take these cameras seriously..

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needarealname

Hey, just wondering how long it takes to finish the final review?

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codethought

DPReview - It's August already - how about a full review of the A77 II? :)

13 upvotes
tbcass

As an owner of both the A77 and A77ii I have to disagree on one thing. While the EVF module may be the same the image is significantly improved so it now looks totally life like unlike the overly contrasty look of the A77. When comparing the EVF with a naked eye view there is almost no difference making the new EVF much better than the old. It also works much better in low light where with the old EVF shadow areas were often too dark to see anything.

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Gatsu81

I agree, the EVF looks terribly better in low light and even at High ISO, where the A77 one was much noisier.

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K E Hoffman

I love that Richard was surprised they are continuing with the a-mount / SLT system. The lens releases in 2012 and 2013 (8) matching the best 2 years ever could see Sony was investing in the a-mount. They just are not doing the same camera with a new model number or the same camera with 5 colors like some do to create the impression of innovation.

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SteveCooper

does anyone know if & when Sony will do an update on the computer software to fix the "glitch" in conversion?

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HowaboutRAW

Conversion where? In camera?

Or do you mean IDC4 (Sony's not very good raw extraction software: Image Data Converter v4)?

ACR 8.5 extracts these A77II raws. Those are the only two meanings of "conversion" that I can think of here.

I just checked with a Windows 7 computer: IDC4.2.03 will extract these raws.

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tbcass

The fix is not to use Sony's crappy IDC software.

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HowaboutRAW

tbcass:

Right.

However perhaps there's also in-camera conversion software.

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rsf3127

This seems to be a very nice upgrade over its predecessor only by looking at the noise handling. It has improved by a good margin. If we consider that the previous verison was already a great body for its price, it seems that I shoud look no further.

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Just a Photographer

None of the images shown in the example require 79 AF Points nor 12 fps.

If DPReview was serious with their real world samples. Why didn't they go to a football match, motorsports or shoot birds in flight?

4 upvotes
Gesture

Good thoughts.

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tbcass

Have to wait for a full review for that. I will say from experience the 77ii does track subjects moving toward you better than the 77 does. (I own both)

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Gesture

Good to see some Sony enthusiasts in the comments. This camera is quite appealing and I like that Sony (and Fuji, although in different ways) are trying to push the technology envelope versus some other OEMs.

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Vitruvius

Under specs for autofocus it lists both contrast detect (sensor) and phase detect. Is this right?
Also the wireless and smartphone remote control (Play Memories) is VERY limited at the moment. It is just a remote live view with a trigger. That's it. No apps work with the A77ii yet. But I hope they change that.

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HowaboutRAW

Bet the contrast detect is for shooting video.

And the phase detect is a separate sensor above the mirror, not on the image sensor.

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hippo84

@HowaboutRAW - all Sony SLT have phase detect on both photo and video

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HowaboutRAW

hippo84:

That wasn't really the question, the question would be: "Is there also contrast AF for video?"

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K E Hoffman

Contract detect is from the main sensor.. I know Sony is using shape and color info to make the PD sensors smarter.. But the SLT can AF with PD the entire time Video is shooting too.. There is not live view mode where the viewfinder and part of the focusing system goes away. Its always using PD and and always showing you an image from the main sensor.

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HowaboutRAW

K E Hoffman:

The OP's question and citation of the specs, quoting:

"Under specs for autofocus it lists both contrast detect (sensor) and phase detect. Is this right?"

So if the specs are correct, there is contrast AF, and that likely would be on the main imaging sensor. So that would be in addition to the phase detect AF sensor above the mirror.

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Vitruvius

Thanks everyone for the replies. I Know the a6000 uses the 'same' sensor as the A77ii but 'without' the on-sensor contrast detect AF. It still has live view and video during AF, obviously. The A77ii adds the SLT mirror and phase detect sensors which are better. And is uses the image information from the sensor as well to figure out which phase detect sensor to use.
But what I don't understand is why they wouldn't also use the contrast detect AF point on the sensor as additional information to help the AF system since there are many more of them and they cover a wider area.

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HowaboutRAW

Vitruvius:

But the A77II may do exactly that, use both contrast on the image sensor and the separate phase sensor, but we don't have access to the logic systems driving the AF, so we can't check.

I've handled the A77II, and for lower ISOs, below, 3200 it's a really impressive camera.

I just wish Sony would wake up to the idea of putting a 14MP sensor in the A99 body.

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Vitruvius

I am pretty sure it doesn't use the sensor AF since the a6000 has much wider area of AF sensors. My A77ii does not have AF points as far around the image. But it would be great if Sony had used both AAF technology together with the image information. Perhaps that is the new A99ii but it would need a very powerfull processor.

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HowaboutRAW

Vitruvius:

Just going by the specifications posted here at DPR, there are both contrast AF and phase detect AF systems in the A77II.

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nicolasrao

It is much better reading when people back up their statements with actual links to their experiences with either screen shots, photos, or links to them. It makes the opinion more valuable to a genuine searcher.
Sifting through a lot of hot air...is a tiresome process.
I do see a few below.. very encouraging.

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Kawika Nui

Well put, and very true.

I've suggested to dpreview that they make it possible to sort threads by the person posting; this would allow a reader to select the poster who contributes the most relevant material to a thread, and simply read through what that person has written, without all the dross.
If enough people suggest this, maybe it will be implemented.

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solarider

Raw (ARW 2.3). I hope that's not proprietary... why not also have Adobe RAW files availability?

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K E Hoffman

No More Proprietary than .CR or .NEF from Canon on Nikon. I don't see the running to do DNG.. which being a catch all .. isn't always are efficient, which is fine for PP not for 12FPS shooting..

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Lassoni

This camera isn't serious. It would probably be more so if it had 10-16 megapixel. The ISO performance seems to be worse than A6000. Right now, A6000 looks to be much better camera. http://thenewcamera.com/tag/sony-a77-ii/

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Eleson

So you came back one week later to dizz' it even more? You must have a lot of feelings for it...

As for the a6000 comparison, your are probably right if your aim is to shoot test targets from a tripod.

It surprises me somewhat that in spite of coming back to thus camera over and over again haven't noticed that this is built to shoot moving targets with lots of cropping potential.
(sports/action BIF etc)
And that is simply not an a6000 task. For starters, it lacks the long reach lenses. But it also lacks the AF system for this.

Take a look around and see what better options you can find for sports/action in this cameras price range. Tell us what you found.

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Lassoni

D300s with superior AF, or some from canon camp.. 7d? 70d? Body of Sony a77m2 costs 1700 dollars where I live. Spending 340 dollars more you can get 6d body. It may have AF points (like the A6000, both much much much much more than original A77), but it's the "AF accuracy" that is still the biggest question mark.

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Eleson

AF accuracy is always the question with PDAF. But it was never an issue with the original A77, so I doubt it will be that in this revision either.

I'm guessing $1700 is with the fab 16-50/2.8 DT SSM lens.

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Lassoni

Nope, only body. It's more expensive than some nikon / canon bodies. D7100 being 1225 dollars, 70d 1300. No point buying sony at this point imo. Not until I can see some serious ISO performance. The original A77 was so soft @ even the lowest ISO, 100 or lower. I think it's been discussed to an end over the internet. Maybe the A77m2 is better, but the original A77 left me a very bitter mark, because I really wanted to like the camera. Hey, maybe I wasn't so good at times, it was my first DSLR after all. Just strange that the moment I get D7000 my pictures suddenly look alot more pleasing to me.. for a week I have sony, return get D7000 = instant better. Strange. Defect or design problem.

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codethought

Eleson wrote:

"I'm guessing $1700 is with the fab 16-50/2.8 DT SSM lens."

Lasson wrote:

"Nope, only body."

1100 for the body only model. I just got mine and have started playing with it.

I'm not sure why you had issues with your A77. Perhaps the lenses you were using needed to be fine tuned with you camera.. perhaps it was the model of lens you were using with the camera. Who knows. Personally I've had excellent results in both portraiture and landscape photography with the A77. And the A77II so far showing itself to be an outstanding camera for me. Everyone's mileage will vary. But for every single complaint I hear about Sony I hear LOADS of people loving theirs. Including Gary Fong who is now a huge Sony fan.

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Lassoni

@code yeah, probably could've used fine tuning. And yes 1700$ for body only, as that is the conversion from converting the price from euros (live in europe).

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Vitruvius

@ Lassoni - You should stop talking about things you don't have any experience. You say something about what other people said on the internet and by doing so become another one of those people on the internet that other read who have no actual experience with the camera and propagate false information. I OWN the A77 and the ISO performance is actually very good. The "problem" is that the camera does very little in-camera processing compared to other cameras. But if you set up profiles in Lightroom for your RAW files you get much better images than your comparisons. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

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Lassoni

I had a A77 1 for a week, and something like ISO 3200 was very much unusable for me. I always shoot raw, be it sony or nikon. Maybe sony does noise reduction to raws, but afaik nikon doesn't. So if I have both set to normal or no-NR, it can't be the "bad nr" to blame when I personally never use in-camera NR in either system.

Trying to say, I got vastly cleaner images @ 3200 with the D7000 than I did with the A77. For my use that was very important, as I took some of the D7000 photos @ 6400 too.

Regarding the AF.. yeah it had problems. I couldn't get a single sharp picture in the walk on the woods from trees and stuff. The camera/lens either had defect or it failed to get sharp focus at those light conditions.

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Vitruvius

For my 'work', I was able to deal with the noise fairly successfully in Lightroom up to ISO 3200. The advantage it had for me was the dynamic range, which is fantastic. I agree that the AF tracking on the A77 was disappointing and that is partially what I bought it for. A few weeks ago my A77 was bumped and fell into a lake. The lake was kind of wet. Just was told by Sony that it is not repairable. So I brought home the A77ii yesterday. I am sorry to hear about the bad price in Europe. Not fair. I hope the AF works better on the new A77ii.
Another feature I look forward to is the AF tracking speed control during video. Something I would really use and other cameras would not have.

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Lassoni

Here was their hope of catching canikon for sports/action, with possible AF boost. Yet, they just had to use the 24 megapixel number, when they could've dropped the megapixels to 10-12, in favor for the fact that the translucent method is throwing some away. Because that could've regained some of it back. Come on... this is really laughably bad. This could've been the D400 many had asked for, and more.

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duartera

I've been shooting with my a700, for the last 6 years. I shoot mainly landscapes, indoor low-light situations, and infrequent indoor/outdoor portraits. When the a77 initially came out, I couldn't justify upgrading since I had no issue with my camera. However now that the M2 is coming out, I am thinking about it again. For those of you who have shot with both the a700 and a77, how would you compare the high ISO performance between the two? Even though have regularly pushed the a700 to 1000-1600, as we all know, it suffers BIG time and I must use heavy PP to get decent images. I have heard very mixed reviews about the low light performance of the a77. Would you consider the low-light performance upgrade between the a700 and a77 to be worth waiting for the a77 prices to drop even further? Or go with M2?

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Hugo600si

I'd go with the M2, the extra high iso for the M2 will help, the a77 is not bad but its also not a high iso animal if that is important for you.
I had to get used to the noise of the a77, the a700 is a lot cleaner out of camera and at pixel level, part is due to the higher mpix count. With the right post processing settings in LR it is a joy to work with though.
Even though I kept my a700 as a backup I have not shot a single shot with it since getting the a77... that EVF is so much easier to work with for almost anything I personally do.

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cokeaddict

I will stick to my a77. Improvements are good but to remove the ability to have GPS...? That just don't make any sense to me. WiFi is useless to me but GPS is fantastic. I will enjoy using my a77 for a few years until they bring out something that can convince me to upgrade. Until then, I love my camera.

3 upvotes
FD North

I may be incorrect in saying this but my understanding is the WiFi capability will allow Geo-tagging photos from another device like a cell phone but with less battery draw on the camera. The options associated with WiFi are one of a few reasons I will be upgrading. I'm in the same boat as you, extremely happy with my A77. I'm looking forward to parking the A700 and having 2 variations of the A77 in my camera bag.

2 upvotes
Lassoni

better focusing > in-camera gps

0 upvotes
TwoHerbs

To me, the GPS was superfluous, never used, zapped too much power. Have shot with other cameras with GPS and usually just shut them off (I usually know where I'm shooting!). I've had my A77 Mark 2 for about 2 weeks, and just love it. It's replacing my loved A350 since at a soccer meet shoot a few weeks ago, a downpour of rain.......thus it's sitting in a container of dry rice and I'm just hoping.... Shot another soccer tournament last weekend.....just loved it.!

0 upvotes
TheEnthusiast

Ever since I sold my A77 and all my APS-C lenses to go full-frame with the A99, I've sorely missed the compactness of the A77. The A99 beat the old A77 in low-light performance by a solid two stops, and the colors in the A99 are terrific. But the A99 is a boat anchor. While I can't give it up, I've been looking for something smaller-lighter as a second camera. At the top of my list have been the A7r and the Leica T. Both of those cameras have walk-around zooms that are somewhat compromised, apparently due to an attempt to attain the last measure of compactness.

One of the things I truly loved about the A77 was the superb 16-50 lens. It doesn't have the Zeiss name or even the G-designation, but it is relatively compact and a fantastic value. Its only significant flaw was some mid-image, barrel-like distortion that I noticed most when comparing RAW images to camera-corrected jpegs of the same shot. The A77 II with the 16-50 lens is a tempting package to me.

3 upvotes
Azurael

I was thinking of getting an a77 (or II, now) to compliment my a99 and replace the a55 that I find difficult to use because of the shoddy viewfinder. Having handled the a77 a few times now, it didn't feel all that different in terms of size and weight to the 99 to me, I'm surprised you noticed such a difference... But I guess that having extensively used both, you're probably in a better position to judge. I can't say I find even the a99 heavy - or at least the weight becomes a lot less relevant once you attach the 70-200G :D I'd love an a7, but I think that might be breaking the bank for a toy I don't need :P Perhaps once the second generation comes out, I'll buy one of the originals cheaply to have some more fun with my OM lenses.

1 upvote
Douglas F Watt

I've had the A65, the A99, and now the A77II. I found that the weight of the CZ24-70 plus the A99 just about a pound more than I wanted to tote around even with a shoulder strap. I could be persuaded back to FF by a A99II if it was a real home run. Loved the 24-70 but like you said, the combination is a boat anchor. It's all tradeoffs. I also think that the AF system on the A77II is better than the A99. Way better sports camera, esp, with the deeper buffer.

0 upvotes
Vitruvius

Top of page 4 - the SLT mirror does NOT redirect 1/3 of the light. It is about 1/3 of a stop of light.

Interesting that they would NOT have included the on-sensor phase detect AF from the a6000 in this camera in addition to the SLT AF sensors. I have about 7000+ actuation shooting action with my A77 and the AF tracking is actually very poor even with fast lenses and SSM / HSM.The only reason I would have spent an extra $400 on the new A77ii was for the same AF system as the a6000. I wonder why they would not have included this on the A77ii? If it is the same sensor why can't they combine the information from both AF systems? But I guess we will have to see how they compare.

0 upvotes
brendon1000

The A6000 has on sensor phase detect points which only work with few lenses . The A77 II has phase detect points but none on the sensor. That means its faster than on sensor points and works with all compatible lenses including 3rd party options.

0 upvotes
BarnET

I think vitru has a point.

If you use the the on sensor system one can flip the mirror up constantly. changing it into an mirrorless. And getting that extra sensitivity.

In action the mirror stays down giving you that fast reliable AF. Best of both worlds.

2 upvotes
Pablom

AFAIK 1/3 of a stop means 1/3 of the light.

0 upvotes
Bjorn_L

1 stop = halving or doubling the light. So 1/3 stop would be 1/6th of the available light.

1 upvote
Michel Aristegui

When you lose 1 stop, the light you receive is divided by 2^1=2. When you lose 1/3 stop, the light you receive is divided by 2^(1/3)=1.26, or multiplied by 1/1.26=0.79. So you lose 21% of the light.

4 upvotes
Vitruvius

Thanks Michel. Also tested on the original A77 here at 8:30 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1BI82nV9A
@BarnET - great idea but the mirror interferes with the lens, unfortunately. But you are able to take it out fairly easily and forgo AF if you want.

0 upvotes
andy1331

The On-Sensor AF-Sensors like in the a6000 or a99 are not that big, sensitive, fast and optimzed as explizit AF-PD-Sensors.
So the a6000 AF-System is really great for such a compact mirrorless camera but the a77II is even better and even more suitable for sports action.

0 upvotes
Peter K Burian

Why does the review not mention this?? 12fps with continuous AF and ***up to 60 frames in a single burst when in JPEG fine setting (with focus locked at the first shot)****

0 upvotes
Eleson

Because that wouldn't be true?
AF is not locked in 12fps mode.

7 upvotes
Simon jackson

dumb question but vs a6000?

1 upvote
Vitruvius

I agree. I suspect the a6000 might be better AF since they used the same sensor but omitted the on-sensor phase detect AF capability in the A77ii. So the phase detect sensors in the A77ii may be better but they only have 1/3 of a stop of light to work with. Why wouldn't they use both systems ni combination?

0 upvotes
brendon1000

Not true. On sensor phase points are smaller and less accurate. The A99 has 102 AF points on the sensor but they can't help to acquire focus. Only track focus once the main focus points lock focus.

The A77 has proper phase sensors which are bigger than on sensor points and works with all lenses including 3rd party ones.

1 upvote
Lassoni

A6000 probably better sensor/low light, but this one has better body. A6000 also has a big lag when changing aperture/shutter speed. It's noticeable and can cause you the miss some shots. Imo we should wait until sony decides to make A99m2, or something with body of this but without the translucent mirror.

0 upvotes
William Koehler

For those into DSLR class video, the Sony A6000 has no mic or headphone jacks so it is less useful standalone.

1 upvote
12345ccr

51k ISO cap... not like i'd use anything near that but still 51k ISO cap...

0 upvotes
Kane1972

The thing that seems to get missed on any Sony SLT camera is the fact it had TRUE Live View, which is something Canikon cannot say. In other words, what one sees in the EVF is the image they end up with. No more checking your shot, adjusting the settings and taking another, just adjust first and then shoot!

Also focus peaking. Has this been improved at all? Not sure it needs to be any better, but more colour options would be nice. This feature is invaluable to manual lens shooters.

12 upvotes
Vitruvius

Although I LOVE my A77 and the live view, your stament is not accurate. Try looking through your A77 viewfinder at night. Ya, you won't see much. Kind of useless for low light shooting and since there is no optical viewfinder you have to take a shot and then review it to see what the camera is seeing.

1 upvote
Eleson

@vit. Turn off "setting effect".

4 upvotes
thebustos

With setting effects turned off you basically get the view you'd have with an OVF.

4 upvotes
tbcass

I disagree because I can see more with my A77 in dark situations than any of the SLRs I used to own. The biggest problem with the A77 is the inability to adjust EVF image parameters, a problem that apparently has been resolved with the A77ii.

2 upvotes
Vitruvius

@Eleson - Thanks for the tip.

1 upvote
Abuelo Paul

Having owned my A77 for 18months, and fired off almost 30000 frames, I won't be upgrading yet. There appear to be very few benefits in this markII version.
My main criticisms of the A77 are:
Poor high ISO results
Constant problems with sensor spots after changing lenses
Poor after sales service ( lost the rubber eyepiece and can't get a replacement)
But on the plus side:
Easy to use
superb results
EVF previews the shot
Minolta glass compatibility
All in all why change when I'm happy with what I've got. I had the EOS 500D before.

1 upvote
VirtualMirage

I find my A77 does better at preventing dust on the sensor than most other cameras, especially those that have moving mirrors. While not a 100% preventive, I find the non-moving SLT does a pretty good job at minimizing the amount of dust that appears on the sensor.

My A700 had a higher likelihood of getting dust on the senor.

1 upvote
leewardism

Just the sea of Minolta legacies at cheap prices
is worth staying with Sony, hey and no image stabilisation with in every lens, sometimes less is more.

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Boerseuntjie

The eyepiece part is available for like $10 at B&H http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/850521-REG/Sony_FDA_EP12_FDA_EP12_Eyepiece_Cup_for.html
Change lenses when it's not windy

0 upvotes
Abuelo Paul

Thats fine for you guys in the states, but I'm in Europe. B&H don't ship, Sony .EU show part no longer available. I change lenses in house, or in car, not out in the open.

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie

I'm sure if you contact Sony in EU and order the part they will be willing to help

0 upvotes
Mike Riach

Hi,

try contacting minolta-mania on ebay as they have loads of Sony accessories.

0 upvotes
peevee1

The best feature about A77 (and mk2) is that 16-50/2.8 lens which is a couple of classes higher than the typical 18-55/3.5-5.6 disgraces all other companies like to include in their kits.
Sony should also provide a kit with their 18-250 superzoom for the customers who like such things.

1 upvote
mosc

It's true, the 16-50 is quite reasonably priced at $750, less as a kit, compared to other versions. It's also much wider than the cannon version, for example (24 vs 27 equiv) which seems much more valuable than 88mm vs 75mm at the long end.

1 upvote
Underdog 3000

at 5x the price of a kit I would hope it would be better.

Seriously.... that's the best feature?

0 upvotes
Vamp898

Canon also offers the 17-50 f/2.8 and Sigma also offers an EX 17-50mm f/2.8

I think they can be compared to the 16-50mm. The Canon one is worse and more expensive, the Sigma one is on par but about half price.

0 upvotes
hippo84

Vamp898 Sigma is not so sharp wide open and not fast and stable AF.

1 upvote
peevee1

"Canon also offers the 17-50 f/2.8"

You mean 17-55? Not as a $500-600 kit lens. At $1200, it is not something most buyers would buy for $999 70D body. For $2200 the combo simply does not make any sense, you can buy 6D+24-105/4 cheaper and it will have greater range and greater image quality etc. And 17mm on Canon smaller APS-C is like 27mm equivalent, not 24mm equivalent of the Sony - big diff.

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sabink

No GPS??? Typical! Thanks, but no thanks!
I will stay with my current Sony camera until Sony produces something better without "forgetting" some of the options I currently have and if this does not happen soon I will switch systems to a company that invests in software/firmware upgrades rather than new models with different limitations!!!

3 upvotes
hippo84

Is there any camera in the world with no limitations?

8 upvotes
Doug

Cant believe they've removed this feature. Its great being able to geo-tag as per old 77. Sony cant seem to make up their mind. Wanted to upgrade my HX9V which has GPS and the HX60 in the UK has this feature removed so had to get a 'grey' import !!!

2 upvotes
Vitruvius

The same battery last 10% less time. Presumably the WIFI and NFC are eating battery power so that might have caused them to toss the GPS. Stupid.

0 upvotes
rhk22463

The fact GPS is no longer built in makes this camera a NO GO area for me.
WIFI/NFC is something I don't need nor do I want to introduce the risk of hackers accessing the camera remotely via WIFI... so to me the decision to trade in GPS in favour of WIFI is a big mistake. I'll stick with my current Sony SLT that still has GPS built-in !

1 upvote
geert56

What is the benefit of WiFi when i take almost every shot as RAW?
No TV will be able to show your RAW. Leave the WiFi for the people that shoot JPEG's to put on Facebook. If that's all you want from a camera then buy a Experia smartphone. I'll stay with my A77.

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nerkles

Sony's website says it does have GPS.

0 upvotes
nerkles

Nevermind. It did for a while, but now it doesn't. Must've been a typo, or errant copy/paste.

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