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This Semi-transparent mirror is at the heart of Sony's SLT cameras. Light hits this mirror and approximately a third of the is sent upward to the AF sensor, while the rest continues on to the CMOS.
The a77 has a built-in flash, which is released electronically. The flash has a guide number of 12 meters at ISO 100. It's also used as a focusing aid in low light, replacing the dedicated AF-assist lamp on the original a77.
This dial, at the bottom-left of the camera's front plate, switches between manual, continuous, auto, and single autofocus mode.
The mode dial has been redesigned and now features three Memory Recall (MR) slots. There's also a locking mechanism that requires you to hold the center button down in order to rotate the dial.
One feature that has become increasingly rare on DSLRs is an LCD info display on the top plate. This backlit display shows things like aperture, shutter speed, drive mode, shots remaining, and battery life.
The a77's electronic viewfinder is one of the best you'll find, with 2.36 million dots and a magnification 1.09x. An eye sensor automatically switches between the LCD and EVF. The diopter correction knob can be seen on the far right side.
The joystick on the rear of the camera is your main tool for menu navigation. It's movement is a bit tight, and pressing inward accidentally can be an issue.
The a77 II has a wide selection of I/O ports, including flash sync, remote control, DC-in (covered here), microphone, HDMI, and USB.
As with its predecessor, the a77 II supports both SD/SDHC/SDXC and Memory Stick Pro Duo cards.

The a77 II uses the familiar NP-FM500H battery, which dates back to the A700. The battery contains 11.8Wh of energy, which translates into 480 shots per charge with the LCD, and 410 with the EVF. That's a 10% drop compared to the original a77.

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Eddi D
By Eddi D (3 days ago)

I've used this site before a long time when searching for my 1st camera. Now I'm back for an upgrade. I currently own a Minolta 7D and Sony A100.
I have the following lenses:
Peleng 8mm fisheye
Minolta 50mm 1.7
Sigma 15-30mm 3.5-4.5 DG
Tamron 28-75 2.8mm XR DI
Sigma 70-200mm 2.8 EX DG
Sigma APO 2X EX DG Teleconverter
I'm going to 'dump' my Minolta and give the Sony to my wife (she's small and it suits her perfectly). The new camera will be for me. I like shooting mostly sports. 70% outdoors (softball, bikingl, etc) as well as landscape (mountains, etc) and 30% indoors (kids volleyball and swimming). I am not currently doing it for money, but do plan on possibly starting.
I have 2 questions:
1. It seems the A77 and A77ii would fill my needs equally. But, is the A77ii worth the extra $300 (I've found both NIB and thinking long term)?
2.Just to verify, my lenses will fit on both cameras, correct? I can't afford to change all my lenses.
Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

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PGGG
By PGGG (4 days ago)

End of August. Alpha 77 II price already goes down in Hong Kong . Can get te Body for 960 USD. Are we going to have a full review before they stop selling it? also would be interesting to compare with Alpha 6000 as apart from a bigger volume and weight the performances of the two cameras appear quite similar....

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Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (20 hours ago)

There are more and more cameras released and also more and more DPR previews, and then more and more First Impression Reviews, hands-ons. The Sony Alpha 77 II has to wait, being a camera that will not sell as well as numerous others. Unfortunately, this is very commercial now. I think a really interesting camera does not necessarily get any priority if it is not considered $ignificant by DPR. The E-M5 was most interesting at its release but also delayed for a very long time while some other big brand cameras get reviewed very quickly. Money talks.

I don't expect the Alpha II review or any full reviews for a very long time, as many people are now travelling to Photokina. My guess is Feb at the earliest.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 week ago)

I did a preliminary review / overview of my new A77ii compared to my A77.
Here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzBHuF_FRg
Feel free to add comments. I am just learning about the camera myself and there is very little information out there for such a sophisticated camera.

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Owen Anson
By Owen Anson (1 week ago)

Hi everyone, My first post on here.... I have to say as a professional photographer and a Cannon user. I'm so impressed with the sony range.. If I was starting again, I would defiantly take these cameras seriously..

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needarealname
By needarealname (3 weeks ago)

Hey, just wondering how long it takes to finish the final review?

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codethought
By codethought (3 weeks ago)

DPReview - It's August already - how about a full review of the A77 II? :)

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 weeks ago)

As an owner of both the A77 and A77ii I have to disagree on one thing. While the EVF module may be the same the image is significantly improved so it now looks totally life like unlike the overly contrasty look of the A77. When comparing the EVF with a naked eye view there is almost no difference making the new EVF much better than the old. It also works much better in low light where with the old EVF shadow areas were often too dark to see anything.

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (4 weeks ago)

I love that Richard was surprised they are continuing with the a-mount / SLT system. The lens releases in 2012 and 2013 (8) matching the best 2 years ever could see Sony was investing in the a-mount. They just are not doing the same camera with a new model number or the same camera with 5 colors like some do to create the impression of innovation.

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SteveCooper
By SteveCooper (4 weeks ago)

does anyone know if & when Sony will do an update on the computer software to fix the "glitch" in conversion?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 weeks ago)

Conversion where? In camera?

Or do you mean IDC4 (Sony's not very good raw extraction software: Image Data Converter v4)?

ACR 8.5 extracts these A77II raws. Those are the only two meanings of "conversion" that I can think of here.

I just checked with a Windows 7 computer: IDC4.2.03 will extract these raws.

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 weeks ago)

The fix is not to use Sony's crappy IDC software.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 weeks ago)

tbcass:

Right.

However perhaps there's also in-camera conversion software.

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rsf3127
By rsf3127 (4 weeks ago)

This seems to be a very nice upgrade over its predecessor only by looking at the noise handling. It has improved by a good margin. If we consider that the previous verison was already a great body for its price, it seems that I shoud look no further.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (1 month ago)

None of the images shown in the example require 79 AF Points nor 12 fps.

If DPReview was serious with their real world samples. Why didn't they go to a football match, motorsports or shoot birds in flight?

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Gesture
By Gesture (1 month ago)

Good thoughts.

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 weeks ago)

Have to wait for a full review for that. I will say from experience the 77ii does track subjects moving toward you better than the 77 does. (I own both)

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Gesture
By Gesture (1 month ago)

Good to see some Sony enthusiasts in the comments. This camera is quite appealing and I like that Sony (and Fuji, although in different ways) are trying to push the technology envelope versus some other OEMs.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

Under specs for autofocus it lists both contrast detect (sensor) and phase detect. Is this right?
Also the wireless and smartphone remote control (Play Memories) is VERY limited at the moment. It is just a remote live view with a trigger. That's it. No apps work with the A77ii yet. But I hope they change that.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (1 month ago)

Bet the contrast detect is for shooting video.

And the phase detect is a separate sensor above the mirror, not on the image sensor.

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hippo84
By hippo84 (4 weeks ago)

@HowaboutRAW - all Sony SLT have phase detect on both photo and video

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 weeks ago)

hippo84:

That wasn't really the question, the question would be: "Is there also contrast AF for video?"

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (4 weeks ago)

Contract detect is from the main sensor.. I know Sony is using shape and color info to make the PD sensors smarter.. But the SLT can AF with PD the entire time Video is shooting too.. There is not live view mode where the viewfinder and part of the focusing system goes away. Its always using PD and and always showing you an image from the main sensor.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 weeks ago)

K E Hoffman:

The OP's question and citation of the specs, quoting:

"Under specs for autofocus it lists both contrast detect (sensor) and phase detect. Is this right?"

So if the specs are correct, there is contrast AF, and that likely would be on the main imaging sensor. So that would be in addition to the phase detect AF sensor above the mirror.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (4 weeks ago)

Thanks everyone for the replies. I Know the a6000 uses the 'same' sensor as the A77ii but 'without' the on-sensor contrast detect AF. It still has live view and video during AF, obviously. The A77ii adds the SLT mirror and phase detect sensors which are better. And is uses the image information from the sensor as well to figure out which phase detect sensor to use.
But what I don't understand is why they wouldn't also use the contrast detect AF point on the sensor as additional information to help the AF system since there are many more of them and they cover a wider area.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 weeks ago)

Vitruvius:

But the A77II may do exactly that, use both contrast on the image sensor and the separate phase sensor, but we don't have access to the logic systems driving the AF, so we can't check.

I've handled the A77II, and for lower ISOs, below, 3200 it's a really impressive camera.

I just wish Sony would wake up to the idea of putting a 14MP sensor in the A99 body.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (4 weeks ago)

I am pretty sure it doesn't use the sensor AF since the a6000 has much wider area of AF sensors. My A77ii does not have AF points as far around the image. But it would be great if Sony had used both AAF technology together with the image information. Perhaps that is the new A99ii but it would need a very powerfull processor.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 weeks ago)

Vitruvius:

Just going by the specifications posted here at DPR, there are both contrast AF and phase detect AF systems in the A77II.

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

It is much better reading when people back up their statements with actual links to their experiences with either screen shots, photos, or links to them. It makes the opinion more valuable to a genuine searcher.
Sifting through a lot of hot air...is a tiresome process.
I do see a few below.. very encouraging.

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Kawika Nui
By Kawika Nui (1 week ago)

Well put, and very true.

I've suggested to dpreview that they make it possible to sort threads by the person posting; this would allow a reader to select the poster who contributes the most relevant material to a thread, and simply read through what that person has written, without all the dross.
If enough people suggest this, maybe it will be implemented.

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solarider
By solarider (2 months ago)

Raw (ARW 2.3). I hope that's not proprietary... why not also have Adobe RAW files availability?

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (4 weeks ago)

No More Proprietary than .CR or .NEF from Canon on Nikon. I don't see the running to do DNG.. which being a catch all .. isn't always are efficient, which is fine for PP not for 12FPS shooting..

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (2 months ago)

This camera isn't serious. It would probably be more so if it had 10-16 megapixel. The ISO performance seems to be worse than A6000. Right now, A6000 looks to be much better camera. http://thenewcamera.com/tag/sony-a77-ii/

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Eleson
By Eleson (2 months ago)

So you came back one week later to dizz' it even more? You must have a lot of feelings for it...

As for the a6000 comparison, your are probably right if your aim is to shoot test targets from a tripod.

It surprises me somewhat that in spite of coming back to thus camera over and over again haven't noticed that this is built to shoot moving targets with lots of cropping potential.
(sports/action BIF etc)
And that is simply not an a6000 task. For starters, it lacks the long reach lenses. But it also lacks the AF system for this.

Take a look around and see what better options you can find for sports/action in this cameras price range. Tell us what you found.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (2 months ago)

D300s with superior AF, or some from canon camp.. 7d? 70d? Body of Sony a77m2 costs 1700 dollars where I live. Spending 340 dollars more you can get 6d body. It may have AF points (like the A6000, both much much much much more than original A77), but it's the "AF accuracy" that is still the biggest question mark.

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Eleson
By Eleson (2 months ago)

AF accuracy is always the question with PDAF. But it was never an issue with the original A77, so I doubt it will be that in this revision either.

I'm guessing $1700 is with the fab 16-50/2.8 DT SSM lens.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (2 months ago)

Nope, only body. It's more expensive than some nikon / canon bodies. D7100 being 1225 dollars, 70d 1300. No point buying sony at this point imo. Not until I can see some serious ISO performance. The original A77 was so soft @ even the lowest ISO, 100 or lower. I think it's been discussed to an end over the internet. Maybe the A77m2 is better, but the original A77 left me a very bitter mark, because I really wanted to like the camera. Hey, maybe I wasn't so good at times, it was my first DSLR after all. Just strange that the moment I get D7000 my pictures suddenly look alot more pleasing to me.. for a week I have sony, return get D7000 = instant better. Strange. Defect or design problem.

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codethought
By codethought (2 months ago)

Eleson wrote:

"I'm guessing $1700 is with the fab 16-50/2.8 DT SSM lens."

Lasson wrote:

"Nope, only body."

1100 for the body only model. I just got mine and have started playing with it.

I'm not sure why you had issues with your A77. Perhaps the lenses you were using needed to be fine tuned with you camera.. perhaps it was the model of lens you were using with the camera. Who knows. Personally I've had excellent results in both portraiture and landscape photography with the A77. And the A77II so far showing itself to be an outstanding camera for me. Everyone's mileage will vary. But for every single complaint I hear about Sony I hear LOADS of people loving theirs. Including Gary Fong who is now a huge Sony fan.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (2 months ago)

@code yeah, probably could've used fine tuning. And yes 1700$ for body only, as that is the conversion from converting the price from euros (live in europe).

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

@ Lassoni - You should stop talking about things you don't have any experience. You say something about what other people said on the internet and by doing so become another one of those people on the internet that other read who have no actual experience with the camera and propagate false information. I OWN the A77 and the ISO performance is actually very good. The "problem" is that the camera does very little in-camera processing compared to other cameras. But if you set up profiles in Lightroom for your RAW files you get much better images than your comparisons. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (1 month ago)

I had a A77 1 for a week, and something like ISO 3200 was very much unusable for me. I always shoot raw, be it sony or nikon. Maybe sony does noise reduction to raws, but afaik nikon doesn't. So if I have both set to normal or no-NR, it can't be the "bad nr" to blame when I personally never use in-camera NR in either system.

Trying to say, I got vastly cleaner images @ 3200 with the D7000 than I did with the A77. For my use that was very important, as I took some of the D7000 photos @ 6400 too.

Regarding the AF.. yeah it had problems. I couldn't get a single sharp picture in the walk on the woods from trees and stuff. The camera/lens either had defect or it failed to get sharp focus at those light conditions.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

For my 'work', I was able to deal with the noise fairly successfully in Lightroom up to ISO 3200. The advantage it had for me was the dynamic range, which is fantastic. I agree that the AF tracking on the A77 was disappointing and that is partially what I bought it for. A few weeks ago my A77 was bumped and fell into a lake. The lake was kind of wet. Just was told by Sony that it is not repairable. So I brought home the A77ii yesterday. I am sorry to hear about the bad price in Europe. Not fair. I hope the AF works better on the new A77ii.
Another feature I look forward to is the AF tracking speed control during video. Something I would really use and other cameras would not have.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (3 months ago)

Here was their hope of catching canikon for sports/action, with possible AF boost. Yet, they just had to use the 24 megapixel number, when they could've dropped the megapixels to 10-12, in favor for the fact that the translucent method is throwing some away. Because that could've regained some of it back. Come on... this is really laughably bad. This could've been the D400 many had asked for, and more.

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duartera
By duartera (3 months ago)

I've been shooting with my a700, for the last 6 years. I shoot mainly landscapes, indoor low-light situations, and infrequent indoor/outdoor portraits. When the a77 initially came out, I couldn't justify upgrading since I had no issue with my camera. However now that the M2 is coming out, I am thinking about it again. For those of you who have shot with both the a700 and a77, how would you compare the high ISO performance between the two? Even though have regularly pushed the a700 to 1000-1600, as we all know, it suffers BIG time and I must use heavy PP to get decent images. I have heard very mixed reviews about the low light performance of the a77. Would you consider the low-light performance upgrade between the a700 and a77 to be worth waiting for the a77 prices to drop even further? Or go with M2?

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Hugo600si
By Hugo600si (3 months ago)

I'd go with the M2, the extra high iso for the M2 will help, the a77 is not bad but its also not a high iso animal if that is important for you.
I had to get used to the noise of the a77, the a700 is a lot cleaner out of camera and at pixel level, part is due to the higher mpix count. With the right post processing settings in LR it is a joy to work with though.
Even though I kept my a700 as a backup I have not shot a single shot with it since getting the a77... that EVF is so much easier to work with for almost anything I personally do.

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cokeaddict
By cokeaddict (3 months ago)

I will stick to my a77. Improvements are good but to remove the ability to have GPS...? That just don't make any sense to me. WiFi is useless to me but GPS is fantastic. I will enjoy using my a77 for a few years until they bring out something that can convince me to upgrade. Until then, I love my camera.

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FD North
By FD North (3 months ago)

I may be incorrect in saying this but my understanding is the WiFi capability will allow Geo-tagging photos from another device like a cell phone but with less battery draw on the camera. The options associated with WiFi are one of a few reasons I will be upgrading. I'm in the same boat as you, extremely happy with my A77. I'm looking forward to parking the A700 and having 2 variations of the A77 in my camera bag.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (3 months ago)

better focusing > in-camera gps

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TwoHerbs
By TwoHerbs (1 month ago)

To me, the GPS was superfluous, never used, zapped too much power. Have shot with other cameras with GPS and usually just shut them off (I usually know where I'm shooting!). I've had my A77 Mark 2 for about 2 weeks, and just love it. It's replacing my loved A350 since at a soccer meet shoot a few weeks ago, a downpour of rain.......thus it's sitting in a container of dry rice and I'm just hoping.... Shot another soccer tournament last weekend.....just loved it.!

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TheEnthusiast
By TheEnthusiast (3 months ago)

Ever since I sold my A77 and all my APS-C lenses to go full-frame with the A99, I've sorely missed the compactness of the A77. The A99 beat the old A77 in low-light performance by a solid two stops, and the colors in the A99 are terrific. But the A99 is a boat anchor. While I can't give it up, I've been looking for something smaller-lighter as a second camera. At the top of my list have been the A7r and the Leica T. Both of those cameras have walk-around zooms that are somewhat compromised, apparently due to an attempt to attain the last measure of compactness.

One of the things I truly loved about the A77 was the superb 16-50 lens. It doesn't have the Zeiss name or even the G-designation, but it is relatively compact and a fantastic value. Its only significant flaw was some mid-image, barrel-like distortion that I noticed most when comparing RAW images to camera-corrected jpegs of the same shot. The A77 II with the 16-50 lens is a tempting package to me.

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Azurael
By Azurael (3 months ago)

I was thinking of getting an a77 (or II, now) to compliment my a99 and replace the a55 that I find difficult to use because of the shoddy viewfinder. Having handled the a77 a few times now, it didn't feel all that different in terms of size and weight to the 99 to me, I'm surprised you noticed such a difference... But I guess that having extensively used both, you're probably in a better position to judge. I can't say I find even the a99 heavy - or at least the weight becomes a lot less relevant once you attach the 70-200G :D I'd love an a7, but I think that might be breaking the bank for a toy I don't need :P Perhaps once the second generation comes out, I'll buy one of the originals cheaply to have some more fun with my OM lenses.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

Top of page 4 - the SLT mirror does NOT redirect 1/3 of the light. It is about 1/3 of a stop of light.

Interesting that they would NOT have included the on-sensor phase detect AF from the a6000 in this camera in addition to the SLT AF sensors. I have about 7000+ actuation shooting action with my A77 and the AF tracking is actually very poor even with fast lenses and SSM / HSM.The only reason I would have spent an extra $400 on the new A77ii was for the same AF system as the a6000. I wonder why they would not have included this on the A77ii? If it is the same sensor why can't they combine the information from both AF systems? But I guess we will have to see how they compare.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (3 months ago)

The A6000 has on sensor phase detect points which only work with few lenses . The A77 II has phase detect points but none on the sensor. That means its faster than on sensor points and works with all compatible lenses including 3rd party options.

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

I think vitru has a point.

If you use the the on sensor system one can flip the mirror up constantly. changing it into an mirrorless. And getting that extra sensitivity.

In action the mirror stays down giving you that fast reliable AF. Best of both worlds.

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Pablom
By Pablom (3 months ago)

AFAIK 1/3 of a stop means 1/3 of the light.

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Bjorn_L
By Bjorn_L (3 months ago)

1 stop = halving or doubling the light. So 1/3 stop would be 1/6th of the available light.

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Michel Aristegui
By Michel Aristegui (3 months ago)

When you lose 1 stop, the light you receive is divided by 2^1=2. When you lose 1/3 stop, the light you receive is divided by 2^(1/3)=1.26, or multiplied by 1/1.26=0.79. So you lose 21% of the light.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

Thanks Michel. Also tested on the original A77 here at 8:30 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1BI82nV9A
@BarnET - great idea but the mirror interferes with the lens, unfortunately. But you are able to take it out fairly easily and forgo AF if you want.

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andy1331
By andy1331 (1 month ago)

The On-Sensor AF-Sensors like in the a6000 or a99 are not that big, sensitive, fast and optimzed as explizit AF-PD-Sensors.
So the a6000 AF-System is really great for such a compact mirrorless camera but the a77II is even better and even more suitable for sports action.

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Peter K Burian
By Peter K Burian (3 months ago)

Why does the review not mention this?? 12fps with continuous AF and ***up to 60 frames in a single burst when in JPEG fine setting (with focus locked at the first shot)****

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

Because that wouldn't be true?
AF is not locked in 12fps mode.

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Simon jackson
By Simon jackson (3 months ago)

dumb question but vs a6000?

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

I agree. I suspect the a6000 might be better AF since they used the same sensor but omitted the on-sensor phase detect AF capability in the A77ii. So the phase detect sensors in the A77ii may be better but they only have 1/3 of a stop of light to work with. Why wouldn't they use both systems ni combination?

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (3 months ago)

Not true. On sensor phase points are smaller and less accurate. The A99 has 102 AF points on the sensor but they can't help to acquire focus. Only track focus once the main focus points lock focus.

The A77 has proper phase sensors which are bigger than on sensor points and works with all lenses including 3rd party ones.

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Lassoni
By Lassoni (2 months ago)

A6000 probably better sensor/low light, but this one has better body. A6000 also has a big lag when changing aperture/shutter speed. It's noticeable and can cause you the miss some shots. Imo we should wait until sony decides to make A99m2, or something with body of this but without the translucent mirror.

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William Koehler
By William Koehler (3 weeks ago)

For those into DSLR class video, the Sony A6000 has no mic or headphone jacks so it is less useful standalone.

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12345ccr
By 12345ccr (3 months ago)

51k ISO cap... not like i'd use anything near that but still 51k ISO cap...

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Kane1972
By Kane1972 (3 months ago)

The thing that seems to get missed on any Sony SLT camera is the fact it had TRUE Live View, which is something Canikon cannot say. In other words, what one sees in the EVF is the image they end up with. No more checking your shot, adjusting the settings and taking another, just adjust first and then shoot!

Also focus peaking. Has this been improved at all? Not sure it needs to be any better, but more colour options would be nice. This feature is invaluable to manual lens shooters.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

Although I LOVE my A77 and the live view, your stament is not accurate. Try looking through your A77 viewfinder at night. Ya, you won't see much. Kind of useless for low light shooting and since there is no optical viewfinder you have to take a shot and then review it to see what the camera is seeing.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

@vit. Turn off "setting effect".

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thebustos
By thebustos (3 months ago)

With setting effects turned off you basically get the view you'd have with an OVF.

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 months ago)

I disagree because I can see more with my A77 in dark situations than any of the SLRs I used to own. The biggest problem with the A77 is the inability to adjust EVF image parameters, a problem that apparently has been resolved with the A77ii.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

@Eleson - Thanks for the tip.

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Abuelo Paul
By Abuelo Paul (3 months ago)

Having owned my A77 for 18months, and fired off almost 30000 frames, I won't be upgrading yet. There appear to be very few benefits in this markII version.
My main criticisms of the A77 are:
Poor high ISO results
Constant problems with sensor spots after changing lenses
Poor after sales service ( lost the rubber eyepiece and can't get a replacement)
But on the plus side:
Easy to use
superb results
EVF previews the shot
Minolta glass compatibility
All in all why change when I'm happy with what I've got. I had the EOS 500D before.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (3 months ago)

I find my A77 does better at preventing dust on the sensor than most other cameras, especially those that have moving mirrors. While not a 100% preventive, I find the non-moving SLT does a pretty good job at minimizing the amount of dust that appears on the sensor.

My A700 had a higher likelihood of getting dust on the senor.

1 upvote
leewardism
By leewardism (3 months ago)

Just the sea of Minolta legacies at cheap prices
is worth staying with Sony, hey and no image stabilisation with in every lens, sometimes less is more.

Comment edited 41 seconds after posting
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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (3 months ago)

The eyepiece part is available for like $10 at B&H http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/850521-REG/Sony_FDA_EP12_FDA_EP12_Eyepiece_Cup_for.html
Change lenses when it's not windy

0 upvotes
Abuelo Paul
By Abuelo Paul (2 months ago)

Thats fine for you guys in the states, but I'm in Europe. B&H don't ship, Sony .EU show part no longer available. I change lenses in house, or in car, not out in the open.

0 upvotes
Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (2 months ago)

I'm sure if you contact Sony in EU and order the part they will be willing to help

0 upvotes
Mike Riach
By Mike Riach (2 months ago)

Hi,

try contacting minolta-mania on ebay as they have loads of Sony accessories.

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

The best feature about A77 (and mk2) is that 16-50/2.8 lens which is a couple of classes higher than the typical 18-55/3.5-5.6 disgraces all other companies like to include in their kits.
Sony should also provide a kit with their 18-250 superzoom for the customers who like such things.

0 upvotes
mosc
By mosc (3 months ago)

It's true, the 16-50 is quite reasonably priced at $750, less as a kit, compared to other versions. It's also much wider than the cannon version, for example (24 vs 27 equiv) which seems much more valuable than 88mm vs 75mm at the long end.

1 upvote
Underdog 3000
By Underdog 3000 (3 months ago)

at 5x the price of a kit I would hope it would be better.

Seriously.... that's the best feature?

0 upvotes
Vamp898
By Vamp898 (3 months ago)

Canon also offers the 17-50 f/2.8 and Sigma also offers an EX 17-50mm f/2.8

I think they can be compared to the 16-50mm. The Canon one is worse and more expensive, the Sigma one is on par but about half price.

0 upvotes
hippo84
By hippo84 (3 months ago)

Vamp898 Sigma is not so sharp wide open and not fast and stable AF.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"Canon also offers the 17-50 f/2.8"

You mean 17-55? Not as a $500-600 kit lens. At $1200, it is not something most buyers would buy for $999 70D body. For $2200 the combo simply does not make any sense, you can buy 6D+24-105/4 cheaper and it will have greater range and greater image quality etc. And 17mm on Canon smaller APS-C is like 27mm equivalent, not 24mm equivalent of the Sony - big diff.

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sabink
By sabink (3 months ago)

No GPS??? Typical! Thanks, but no thanks!
I will stay with my current Sony camera until Sony produces something better without "forgetting" some of the options I currently have and if this does not happen soon I will switch systems to a company that invests in software/firmware upgrades rather than new models with different limitations!!!

3 upvotes
hippo84
By hippo84 (3 months ago)

Is there any camera in the world with no limitations?

7 upvotes
Doug
By Doug (3 months ago)

Cant believe they've removed this feature. Its great being able to geo-tag as per old 77. Sony cant seem to make up their mind. Wanted to upgrade my HX9V which has GPS and the HX60 in the UK has this feature removed so had to get a 'grey' import !!!

2 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

The same battery last 10% less time. Presumably the WIFI and NFC are eating battery power so that might have caused them to toss the GPS. Stupid.

0 upvotes
rhk22463
By rhk22463 (3 months ago)

The fact GPS is no longer built in makes this camera a NO GO area for me.
WIFI/NFC is something I don't need nor do I want to introduce the risk of hackers accessing the camera remotely via WIFI... so to me the decision to trade in GPS in favour of WIFI is a big mistake. I'll stick with my current Sony SLT that still has GPS built-in !

1 upvote
geert56
By geert56 (3 months ago)

What is the benefit of WiFi when i take almost every shot as RAW?
No TV will be able to show your RAW. Leave the WiFi for the people that shoot JPEG's to put on Facebook. If that's all you want from a camera then buy a Experia smartphone. I'll stay with my A77.

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nerkles
By nerkles (3 months ago)

Sony's website says it does have GPS.

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nerkles
By nerkles (3 months ago)

Nevermind. It did for a while, but now it doesn't. Must've been a typo, or errant copy/paste.

0 upvotes
Miguel Rodríguez
By Miguel Rodríguez (3 months ago)

Wow, the noise at 1600 looks terrible... Fuji and Olympus are way better:

http://pliki.optyczne.pl/Sony_A77mkII/16_50/DSC08305.JPG

Anyways at this time the is too much speculation, so let's wait a bit.

2 upvotes
Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (3 months ago)

Sony has far less in-camera noise reduction than Oly. What you gain with Sony and lose with Oly is the dynamic range. Check DXO Mark. I take my A77 RAW files into lightroom and I can selectively reduce the noise as I want and still retain far more information. But if you want out-of-camera JPEGs then Oly is the easier workflow solution.

2 upvotes
Polytropia
By Polytropia (3 months ago)

No 4K? How do they expect to compete?

1 upvote
OBI656
By OBI656 (3 months ago)

4K for $1200.00 ? Right ...

2 upvotes
EthanP99
By EthanP99 (3 months ago)

for aps-c cameras:

Canon, no 4k?

Nikon, no 4k?

Pentax, no 4k?

Fuji, no 4k?

How will they ever compete!

Sony already has several 4k cameras, including the fs700 (aps-c)

22 upvotes
Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (3 months ago)

Dont need 4k for still shots.

5 upvotes
tabloid
By tabloid (3 months ago)

Stills are 4K equivalent.

1 upvote
12345ccr
By 12345ccr (3 months ago)

What is there to compete with?

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naththo
By naththo (3 months ago)

And how can video card cope with 4K nowaday, most video card are STILL not able to work well with 4K video in full screen, they still sluggish. Its a long way off. Plus 4K is over kill for hard drive space, it is utterly stupid. 1920 x 1080 is enough to me for video thats it.

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Polytropia
By Polytropia (2 months ago)

GH-4 is what they have to compete with. If I was buying a sub-$2000 non-DSLR (i.e. EVF-based) like the A-77, E-M1, GH-4, then I would have a real hard time going any direction but GH-4.

Tabloid is right, stills are 4K-equivalent. But what you're all not considering is that 4K is stills. I.e., GH-4 gives you freaking 30 FPS of 8-megapixel stills. Just think about that for a second!

Panasonic is the only company who understands the future. And has been for a long time. The only future they didn't foresee (but should have) was Fukushima, but lesson learned.

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

Panasonic has and now even in the FZ-1000 a good travel camera. Utility with quality.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (2 months ago)

4k for $1k in camera recording is available on the FZ1000. Not APS-C but low light stills performance seems almost as good as any APS-C on the market. Otherwise try Sony RX-10.

1 upvote
OBI656
By OBI656 (3 months ago)

I am always amazed how many people is bashing new cameras design by qualified engineers with many, many years of experience in camera design.

Non of these critics on the other hand can show some outstanding photography-portfolio beside some louse photos of sunset taken with $3000.00 lenses and latest DSLR cameras.

27 upvotes
Leandros S
By Leandros S (3 months ago)

...and yet these engineers try to sell to those inept fools who dare buy $3000 lenses. I wonder why.

1 upvote
xMichaelx
By xMichaelx (3 months ago)

Engineers rarely design; they take a designer's (or a design team's) work and try to make it happen, with some back and forth.

Also, these great designers you worship also have us New Coke, the Pinto, and the Zune.

By your seriously flawed and poorly thought-out "logic", EVERY product is a great product. You can't possibly believe that.

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Antonlm
By Antonlm (3 months ago)

At its inception, the Zune was 10x the mp3 player the ipod was. Had the largest HD at the time and was cheaper. 15 bucks a month subscription to their music store and you got 10 songs free monthly.

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OBI656
By OBI656 (3 months ago)

xMichaelx, when I say : "new cameras design by qualified engineers..." Yes, new cameras design by qualified engineers from concept and inside camera function, element layout and camera internal conceptuality.
You may have in mind most likely industrial design which belongs to collaboration in between Industrial designers and those I have named in first place, qualified camera engineers.

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Leandros S
By Leandros S (3 months ago)

@Antonim: Since when is 15 bucks for ten songs a good deal?

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Antonlm
By Antonlm (3 months ago)

I did not say that 15 bucks for 10 songs was a good deal.

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Polytropia
By Polytropia (2 months ago)

You're really going to defend the Zune? What are you smoking?

It was in NO way "10x the mp3 player the ipod was". By what metric did you judge that?

Certainly not any of these:
• battery life
• reliability
• good looks
• quality of software
• customer service
• music selection

Zune failed hard on all those and they wanted to bill your credit for $180 per year! What a joke!

0 upvotes
nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

Designers and engineers do a great job and are constantly improving and proving More's law. Every enthusiast like me knows that it is not the engineer who decides what is going where... or they would put the best they can into every model...it's the marketing guys who call the shots...guys please don't go shoot the piano player...he is the one who keeps the mood going...even a simple fact like a square format using the maximum a circular lens can afford is not put to use for e.g. Not engineers folks..market trends and marketing heads decide.

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gmke
By gmke (3 months ago)

I am NOT interested in this camera because of some Sony snake oil. Here we have the world's premiere maker of photo sensors building a defect into a camera design that seriously hampers deep ISO. The claim is that the "translucent" mirror only steals 1/3 of an f-stop. Go to the SLT-A77 jpeg noise page and choose the Oly E-M5, Nikon D5100, and Panasonic G3 for comparison, all at normal or standard noise reductions. Note that the noises at ISO-3200 on the E-M5 and D5100 are very well controlled. Then drop the ISO back to 800 and notice how noisy the A77 getup is. Roughly speaking, one might conclude that the translucent mirror makes the A77 as bad as the four thirds sensor in the Panasonic G3. That's a two stop drop, not 1/3. These observations make it very difficult to care about improvements in the AF system.

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OBI656
By OBI656 (3 months ago)

You are funny ...

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gmke
By gmke (3 months ago)

Funny odd or funny haha? Or both? Any answer is good. No prob. I think your point in the other post is well taken. The possession of a great camera does not a great photographer make, nor does the sole availability of an average camera rule out the capture of an awesome shot. One example, I sucked up a smidgen of pride and got a pocket camera, Canon's SX-280HS, that we took on our last vacation. We came home with some very nice shots, counter to what I expected. Peering into the details was a bit of a surprise too. I often thought, I wouldn't have shot this one THAT way, even though the result was very satisfying. It seems backward, shoot and think. Think and shoot is more comfortable to me. The funny thing in the camera market, and with camera journalism, is the game played. That and the fact that you have to fork over quite a bit of money. My priorities are not universal. Although I do not need deep ISO all the time, I am keen to get as much as possible at any given price point.

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (3 months ago)

First, you are not comparing sensor sensitivity as much as you are really comparing JPEG processing capability. I'll admit that compared to the current cameras, the A77's JPEG processing is not the best. The A77II has a much improved JPEG processing algorithm that should help improve image quality. But since I shoot only RAW, it doesn't really affect me either way.

Second, go back to those other cameras and look at their EXIF information using identical ISOs. You will see the shutter speed varies which will add to the discrepancy in sensor sensitivity. This gives as around 1/3-1/2 of extra advantage to the other cameras that are shooting at a slower shutter speed than the A77 at the same ISO.

Lastly, it isn't a 2 stop difference between them when you factor the above. Just look at the other review sites that do a better job at equalizing the playing field.

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123Mike
By 123Mike (3 months ago)

It has nothing to do with "jpeg". It has to do with more noise combined with poor in-camera denoising algorithms. But, times have moved on, and things have gotten better. I'm sure the A77ii will be better both in terms of initial noise and denoising. I have an A6000 and I see see that the denoising algorithm is better.
People should stop calling it "jpeg engine". It's so silly. The jpeg part is just plain old run-of-the-mill compression algorithm. It is all about the pixels that go in *before* the jpeg compression algorithm. Who came up with that anyway? "jpeg engine". Good grief. The jpeg algorithm hasn't changes in, what, 20+ years?

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VirtualMirage
By VirtualMirage (3 months ago)

123Mike, the reason people call it a JPEG engine or JPEG processing is because when saving an image as JPEG, the image processor is applying certain techniques that only get applied to images being saved as JPEGs (they do not get applied to the RAW). So while JPEG compression is a standard, the work done to those images that is exclusive to just the images that get saved as JPEGs are not.

To just call it image processing or processing engine can mislead those that are not informed to think that the same work and processing is being done to every image regardless if it is JPEG or RAW. Calling it JPEG engine or JPEG processing let's individuals know of specific processing steps that are exclusive to images being saved as JPEG (lens correction, DRO, area specific noise reduction, etc.).

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Fri13
By Fri13 (3 months ago)

It is again the same problem as with "dynamic range" or "micro contrast" what are just meaningless terms for actual technical information. The correct ones are "Exposure Range", "Contrast" (need to understand its meaning by content) and then "A/D processor" what is responsible to register photons hitting to sensor pixels based ISO algorithm. And there the "dynamic range" comes to play what gets changes by the uses ISO level by boosting the electricity output for the sensor, without affecting the Exposure Range.

The A/D chip process all the data and is responsible to as well store the digital data as RAW file, JPEG file or Video file and apply different settings and manipulate data following them.
The JPEG can be saved in different look, but with a same algorithm and different compression and other JPEG feature.

The "JPEG engine" is just a mumbo jumbo for those who doesn't get the technology or doesn't care how it works.

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

If Sony had a better noise reduction system, their camera's would have out sold most Canikon cameras long ago. It is their weak link.They have excellent designs, lenses etc. Fixed mirror is not new, the Canon Pelix had it decades ago..it did not succeed then for the same reason it may not succeed now..light transmission. Otherwise the list of advantages that a camera without a moving mirror has, is too long to elucidate here. I started using SLR's in the late 70's late even then but none of us ever took a shot at 1/15 second as the mirror vibration was present during the entire exposure. Even 1/8 second had vibration for only half the exposure making it superior on tripod of course. I could write a page on mirror woes...but enough.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

It is about 1/3 of a stop. See 8:30 here for tests.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al1BI82nV9A
No snake oil, only poor in camera compression. Hope my new A77ii is better.

0 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (3 months ago)

It seems like rather minor update for SONY, but it's much better than adding countless useless marketing gimmick sometimes Sony have done to their cameras. Good job.

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lehill
By lehill (3 months ago)

In Specifications, Autofocus section it lists PDAF, focus point modes and others including "Contrast Detect (sensor)". Is that true?

1 upvote
ZTJ
By ZTJ (3 months ago)

One of the claims on this new camera is significant improvement in AF accuracy. Perhaps, at least in single AF mode, it finalizes with contrast like the mirrorless hybrid AF cameras do?

Or perhaps it's nothing more than a botched copy/paste job.

1 upvote
Underdog 3000
By Underdog 3000 (3 months ago)

Looks like a great camera down to 1 EV.
Too bad its HUGE

0 upvotes
austin design
By austin design (3 months ago)

Huge?! -- what utter nonsense. It's a DSLR. If you prefer some compact camera to keep in your purse, fine, but don't fault this camera for being precisely what it's meant to be.

7 upvotes
William Koehler
By William Koehler (3 weeks ago)

HUGE - compared to what?

http://camerasize.com/compare/#153,31

1 upvote
Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (3 months ago)

You have the wrong image up for VF comparison.

0 upvotes
PhotoLouP
By PhotoLouP (3 months ago)

This may be a good replacement for my A580--I have Sony dSlrs and Samsung NX series. Both are very capable, but different. For the Sony, some things that are extremely important to me:

1. Battery compatibility. Finally the right battery!
2. Flash--rarely need these days with the current sensors. I learned on ASA 64 slide film so anything above ISO 400 is bonus.
3. AF--will see how well it does for action/wildlife.
4. Articulated screen--years ago was a skeptic, but love it now that I have learned to use it.
5. Weather sealed--finally!

Misses

1. Two card slots, still want to write raw to one and jpeg to the other.
2. Price--could have WAF if under 1K, that is the limit for me.

Questions

1. Need to see how the camera works with manual lenses. I love the A580 focus check feature.
2. Smile detect--seems like a dumb feature, but it really is incredible on the A580 for family situations. Sometimes these "non pro" features are surprising.

Look forward to more details!

4 upvotes
alexpaynter
By alexpaynter (3 months ago)

I am struggling to see why this is better than an a6000. I am assuming it has the same processor, same sensor, same autofocus etc.

It has a bulkier body which some may find easier to hold.

0 upvotes
Thoughts
By Thoughts (3 months ago)

More A moutn lenses to choose from?

5 upvotes
Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

Not the same autofocus. These are based on a separate , dedicated AF chip and module, not on the sensor. Allowing it to be larger and basically better.

6 upvotes
Xentrax
By Xentrax (3 months ago)

Why does A6000 claim 92% AF coverage then? A77-II has much less AF coverage area.

I don't know how well AF sensors in the corners perform compared to center one, but still A77-II does not give an option as it does not have any corner sensors at all, at least press release does not mention it.

Besides that A6000 AF system does not really need calibration, while separate AF sensor plate in A77-II will have to be adjusted at the authorized service center. Otherwise, as factory calibration is not very good, one has to introduce microadjustments for every particular lens.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

The coverage is smaller, but the the practical difference is small. On sensor AF sensors are small to not disturb the image capturing. Having a separate AF module allows for larger sensors and much better low light capabilities. Cross sensors are better at locking on to different types of targets, that have contrasting lines in different directions.
Larger sensors make it easier to lock on to subjects, and that allows for tracking of subjects.

Yes , separate sensor module means that there is a risk for alignment issues, but saying that factory calibration is poor is pushing it, and yes the a77ii have micro-calibration for 30(?) lenses, but on my a77 the sensor is spot on.

I would bet that this is more sensitive on a traditional DSLR, as the AF relies on 2 moving mirrors instead of one fixed. Yes, two. One semitransparent that direct half of the light to the OVF, and lets half of thru to the AF mirror, attached to the main mirror. That second mirror directs light to the AF module.

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Wolfgang Fieger
By Wolfgang Fieger (3 months ago)

More and better body controls?
Better view finder?

1 upvote
Lucas_
By Lucas_ (3 months ago)

IMO those are OK! I'm glad Sony kept the excellent form factor (ergonomics) and buttons/dials arrangement. The EVF is also the same, best in industry for this level of camera.
I really think Sony did a fantastic job in not changing what was already great. The price also seems quite reasonable too!

1 upvote
Gaëtan Lehmann
By Gaëtan Lehmann (3 months ago)

Some nice things:
* no more useless non customizable help "?" button!
* enhanced AF
* better frame coverage
* more AF points
* low light
* distance range
* some customizations possible
* wifi
* tethering
* enhanced LCD display
* auto ISO in M mode (?)

Some new bad things:
* GPS is gone
* really good AF assist lamp is gone
* must press the button to turn the dial, really?

Still some bad things from the A77:
* no exposure compensation display on the top lcd

And still many good things:
* triple hinge LCD - this thing is incredibly useful!
* AF in live view as good as in the viewfinder
* high quality viewfinder
* excellent ergonomy
* high quality case
* 1/8000 max shutter speed
* 1/250 sync speed
* very low latency shutter release
* up to 12 fps
* level display

And some unknown:
* less noise in low light in th VF?
* faster switch between the viewfinder and the rear display?
* fixed the very poor flash performance of the A77?

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Ivo Tonev
By Ivo Tonev (3 months ago)

Very well put!
Exactly my thoughts, and I cannot seem to justify the GPS and AF assist lamp been dropped.

1 upvote
Polytropia
By Polytropia (2 months ago)

Maybe it doesn't need to focus anymore. And who cares where you were.

0 upvotes
steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (3 months ago)

OK, are any shooters out there really using Memory Stick media? I wonder if they'd have had room for GPS hardware if they'd left out the MS slot...

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thebustos
By thebustos (3 months ago)

The card slot is SD or memory stick, so just one slot.

1 upvote
whitebird
By whitebird (3 months ago)

Still using MS HG Pro media here. Very fast and reliable (most important thing really) if not compatible with so many other devices.

2 upvotes
Ron Poelman
By Ron Poelman (3 months ago)

Perhaps,
but one $5 adapter, two Micro SD cards,
equals one immense Memory Stick slot;
this is a problem ?

1 upvote
Spectro
By Spectro (3 months ago)

I was impressed the a77 have an IR AF assist light, similar to the one found on speedlights (better then the regular bulb). So they gone from best AF assist light to lesser, with a pop up flash. Having none is the worst. To think of it my A7 doesn't have any AF assist nor a pop up. I manually focus with that camera more anyways. Even that I get some misses.

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ZoomZoom Diva
By ZoomZoom Diva (3 months ago)

The question becomes is this FINALLY the camera that is worth getting to replace my antique Konica-Minolta 7D... and it will be good to see a full review to see if it is a significant step forward from the A77 regular model.

I'm one of the odd ducks who actually is interested in Sony for the on body stabilization and that I can continue to use my existing lenses.

3 upvotes
Wolfgang Fieger
By Wolfgang Fieger (3 months ago)

Do yourself a favour and do the upgrade. I used the 7d in former days, loved it, and still take it out once in a while. But even compared with the A700 it already felt, well very outdated. Image quality is still very good in good light, but avoid anything above ISO 800...
AF speed is lame compared to the usefull quickness and responsiveness of the new models.
And the monitor is just lurky....

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Yoggie
By Yoggie (3 months ago)

Can GPS data be transferred from a cell phone via WiFi/NFC to the A77ii? I realize we probably wont know for sure until a full test, but if it can then I wont be as worried about the lack of GPS on the camera.

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maximuscr
By maximuscr (3 months ago)

It's possible the other way round or afterwards on your pc with several geotagger apps like this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tappytaps.android.geotagphotospro&hl=de

1 upvote
Yoggie
By Yoggie (3 months ago)

That is an option, but I prefer the method of having the GPS data added to the RAW picture at time of capture. It is way easier for the user if the process is fully automated.

4 upvotes
Michael Foran
By Michael Foran (3 months ago)

For that matter, would the WiFi be able to triangulate coordinates from multiple WiFi sources?

0 upvotes
Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

There is room for a playmemories App to do that.

0 upvotes
braisim
By braisim (3 months ago)

I have to say I don't understand why GPS has been replaced with WiFi/NFC. I am an A77 owner and I do find the GPS useful. Frankly I struggle to see what real benefit WiFi would give me. The best quality images from the A77 measure some 24 MB. So I can transfer this to my phone (after having set all of that up on my smartphone) and then post it on flickr or facebook. And then have that transfer take 10 minutes as I'm in an area without 3G let alone 4G and then have my carrier charge me for all of that data transfer, because I'm abroad. And then have my smartphone battery last only 6 hours instead of a full day. I don't see the point. On a camera like this, unless one wants to use remote control (which seems like a pretty niche activity) I don't see the value of WiFi/NFC. Please educate me.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

remote Control.

9 upvotes
laughingor
By laughingor (3 months ago)

wifi does not required to connect via mobile data. it is an internal link between camera and other wifi devices(tab, phone, laptop). I always use it to share few photos taken of the days. instead all photos, so don't worry about battery drain.

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

In my area WiFi hotspots are common. And an tablet is easier to carry as my 15.6 inch laptop.
You have some solid arguments that do not apply to the larger public.

2 upvotes
photogalleryonline
By photogalleryonline (3 months ago)

Its handy when tranferring to ipad for editing and yes upload to facebook, but i agree total waste of time on a smart phone, when i travel OS i take ipad and pocket wifi and buy a sim car OS, that way i can keep up to date with friends and family they can keep up to date with my pics and also it gives me back up on the ipad if the camera or SD card fails or gets stolen. ....provided you don't keep your ipad with your camera gear. Interested in when you use GPS I find it totally useless, slows the whole camera down and sucks battery power, I have an A77 and a 6D and I leave both wifi and gps (on the canon off) and the gps off on the A77, only turn on the wifi on the canon when i need to suck images off it...its is more convenient and quicker than apples stupid sd card reader

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

> but i agree total waste of time on a smart phone

I've used my smartphone as a remote screen / shutter for my GX7 loads of times, it's a very nice feature to have.

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braisim
By braisim (3 months ago)

I guess I'm never in a situation when I would find remote control useful. Maybe for group photos it might be nice, but then there is always the self-timer or maybe the Sony accessory remote can do this too? I like to tag my holiday photos with location info when on holiday so I find GPS useful for that. I can get a day or so of casual shooting out of the battery so I don't find this a problem and I always have a spare. Sometimes I bring a notebook PC with me on holiday to copy photos onto the hard drive but a cable works just fine for this. Everyone's phot needs are different but I find for me that GPS is more useful than WiFi.

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (3 months ago)

Then don't buy the a77 and get a camera with GPS. Problem solved.

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Artpt
By Artpt (3 months ago)

Consider the phone connectivity as useful for securing the camera on an elevated monopod for another perspective....it is a bit of luck, but there are some great shots overhead...using a light camera helps of course....

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steve_hoge
By steve_hoge (3 months ago)

Remote control is a compelling rationale for WiFi - image transfer, not so much. For that there's always EyeFi.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (3 months ago)

I rarely use the gps on my 3 cameras, it sucks too much battery!

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austin design
By austin design (3 months ago)

straylightrun, you mean A77II, not A77. And, FYI, commenting on a camera's design -- whether we like it and why -- is what this section is all about. So kudos to the OP for sharing his entirely germane opinion.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

@dpr. with image quality being toss between the different cameras and sensor sizes, I think it would be helpful to exdend the testing with controlled AF performance tests, split up in video/stills and viewfinder/liveview or something like that.

The differences are much bigger in the AF area than they are in image quality itself.
Testing that could also also drive the (mirrorless) market in the AF area and highlight those who do it well.

The world is more than shooting sleeping cats in the dark. :)

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Treeshade
By Treeshade (3 months ago)

Could this be the long-awaited D400 (D9300) and EOS 7D mk2 ?
( No. Those who want a D400/7D2 are often too heavily invested into the lens system to switch.)

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

Maybe true, but it is a benchmark that they need to beat for sports/action/wildlife.
How long are people willing to wait if they fear that the offer will be late and not up to par, but still more expensive?

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

I'm afraid Treeshade is right though. CaNikon don't need to do anything to beat this Sony. People who have a D400 or 7D are very unlikely to switch - and don't CaNikon know it.

Regardless, as I've said earlier, Canon are going to add GPS and Nikon will have half a stop cleaner ISO 12800 so their cameras will be trumpeted as better because of that anyway.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

True, but try shooting BIF on a tripod using LCD with Canikon. :)
There are simply stuff that is unique for every brand, so it'll find its users.

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MarshallG
By MarshallG (3 months ago)

If it took Canon EF mount lenses with full compatibility... then it would give Canon one heck of a challenge.

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WBateman
By WBateman (3 months ago)

As a Nikon user, I find the A77 MkII announcement to be completely demoralizing. The best Nikon can do in a crop sensor is 6 fps at 24 mp, and the buffer on that is still slow. So how can Sony come out with twice the frame rate at the same resolution, with more autofocus points, at presumably a price very similar to the D7100 that I have? If Nikon released this camera, it would be the D300 follow-up and would be priced around the $2,000 range. I'm on a tight budget and wouldn't be able to replace all my third-party lenses with Sony mounts if I decided to switch over, so it is very frustrating for me.

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

The speed is achieved due the the Sony being an SLT not SLR. It has no moving mirror to contend with so this is where the speed advantage lays.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

@bateman.
That the situation some will need to think about. Does the technology I'm invested in have architecture to ever give me the performance I already can get elsewhere at a lower cost.
And for those who stay, some will feel like they just have to bend over and take it, and can't do anything about it.

I'm not saying 'switch' , but i am saying like the choice you make.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

@ WBateman - Exactly why I switched from Canon EOS to Sony about a year ago. Sold my Canon lenses for one good Sony lens and will rebuild from there. Canon and Nikon are sitting high and mighty on their "we serve pros" perch and I am happy to see SOMEBODY make them actually try to innovate again.

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sunnycal
By sunnycal (3 months ago)

Same cRaw? No lossless comressed (or uncompressed) raw?

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

Yes.
No.

Having gotten that out of the way, please do show us some of your pictures that were RUINED because of Sony's compressed RAW.

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Deliverator
By Deliverator (3 months ago)

"RawDigger: detecting posterization in SONY cRAW/ARW2 files"

http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/sony-craw-arw2-posterization-detection

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (1 month ago)

That RawDigger article is awesome! Thanks you very much. I always wondered why my Sony RAW files were not as clean as I expected. Would be nice if they offered a true RAW output mode as an option and perhaps disable the 12fps feature in that mode as a trade off.

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Boss of Sony
By Boss of Sony (3 months ago)

Is this camera better than Canon 70d or Pentax K3? Can someone help me? I have no idea.

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macclesfieldman
By macclesfieldman (3 months ago)

Difficult question - in some respects, the old A77 was better than the 70D. I prefered the A77 over the Canon, but it is also a matter of taste.

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topstuff
By topstuff (3 months ago)

If you use the back screen of the camera a lot ( live view) then the Sony is much, much better because the autofocus is much faster - this is because the Sony does not have a mirror flapping around unlike the Canon and Pentax. This also means that autofocus on video is also much better.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (3 months ago)

It is very different. Most refined classic DSLR experience, which is also highly enjoyable, is I think one in the Pentax K-3. I believe Pentax makes best DSLRs and delivers top-notch DSLR experience, bar none.

One step below that classic and highly polished experience, and more towards the gadget level that appeases hordes, is the 70D. If you have canon lenses, maybe a good choice. But I think its OVF and usability is rather lacking, albeit there is enough gadgetry inside to keep you occupied for months.

A77 is different than both. I frankly do not understand the appeal of this line of cameras from Sony, because it is not built to provide any special aesthetic experience. A cacophony of technologies without a certain aim. I think Sony has lost the idea what matters in photography after a rather nice A100 camera, perhaps because most of it was designed directly by the ex-Minolta team.

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Eleson
By Eleson (3 months ago)

"A cacophony of technologies without a certain aim. "

I would disagee on that.
The a77 is a long reach (APS-C 24MP) hi speed sports/BIF/action shooter:
- Hi fps rate.
- Good to great AF system.
- Low latency as you don't have to wait for mirror to flip up before the shot.
- Allowing you to use all of this even when you shoot using the LCD,
making low angle shots much easier, and BIF using LCD on a tripod,
to name a few examples.
- AF-D to set min and max focus range to never be disturbed by ostacles passing by again.

Couple this with the 70-400, 70-200, or the 300 mm lenses and you'll be second to none.

But it is not your "Let's-shoot-a-black-cat-in-the-dark-and-count-hairs" camera.

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

Sony hit the nail on the head years ago with it's take on live view by using a second image sensor and not lifting the mirror which was and still is so old fashioned on some other cameras. The SLT is a great evolution and innovation that other manufactures seem reluctant to do. Sony tries all sorts of new an innovative things. Some are good some are not, but they keep on trying.

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 months ago)

"Sony has lost the idea what matters in photography after a rather nice A100 camera, perhaps because most of it was designed directly by the ex-Minolta team."

As a former A100 owner and presently an A77/65 owner I can say with complete confidence the newer cameras are much much much better cameras in every possible way. I don't know what kind of "special aesthetic experience" you are looking for (religious experience maybe?). Me I just want to take photos and let them provide the aesthetics.

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

Agree TB.
Any new Sony I look forward to :-)

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nicolasrao
By nicolasrao (2 months ago)

I shoot birds and other moving things..If the Fps and focus tracking work..I think the other details in the image processing can be worked out easily, actions written etc. It's is the particular frame with the best action point I am interested in...if that works, that is all that is needed...GPS, WiFi I have been shooting before all this was even expected or foreseen. Keep tabs where you have been that is GPS. How can one forget where a photograph was taken?After 45+ years I can almost re-live every frame.

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devonsmith11
By devonsmith11 (1 week ago)

If you like EVF, action shooting with fast frame rates and good buffer, live view shooting in multi angles,decent video,built in shake reduction, A mount lens availability in your area, go for Sony. If you shoot against elements, prefer OVF, shake reduction, low light shooting, fast frame rates with good buffer and K-mount lens availability in your area, go for Pentax. If you shoot loads of HQ video with autofocus, shoot low light, prefer OVF and you have loads of Canon glass, go for 70d.

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srados
By srados (3 months ago)

I hate electronic viewfinder.When I look into, my eye focus on the grid on the screen...from what the screen was made off. #1 reason that keeps me away from Sony.

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JosephScha
By JosephScha (3 months ago)

With 1.2M element (I know, only 300,000 RGBW pixels) I think it is possible that you would not be able to focus on the grid on the screen. Your objection may be from seeing less resolute viewfinders.

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K E Hoffman
By K E Hoffman (3 months ago)

There is no grid with the Sony A77 EVF.. you get more of that with some OVF textures that makes it work was a rear projection screen. IT took me a while to try the EVF and upgrade from my A700 to A77 but now I would never go back to the limited OVF system.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (3 months ago)

You should give EVFs a second change. They are getting better and better with every iteration. I HATED the EVF on my A55 when I moved from the beautiful pentaprism viewfinder on my A700.

I don't love the EVF but I don't hate it either. I no longer go wow when looking at FF viewfinders anymore and I have gotten accustomed to the advantages of the EVF . Shooting with an OVF camera now seems wrong somehow to me.

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Marvol
By Marvol (3 months ago)

For me the cutoff lies between the EVF of the A57 and that of the A65/NEX-6.

I accidentally got sent an A57 when I bought the A65, and that EVF I hated. It still looks like an EVF - low res, tearing, the lot.

But the higher-specced EVF in the 6-lines is absolutely gorgeous and I'm never going back to OVF.

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WildBill in MN
By WildBill in MN (3 months ago)

I didn't know how well I'd like the EVF, but it is now an indispensable tool. I would not go back. With it, I can do a better job of leveling the camera, getting the proper exposure by seeing a live histogram, seeing directly what will be in the image, previewing white balance, out-of-focus highlights, etc.

If the grid or any of the tools bother you, it is a simple user preference to turn one, some, or all off.

If I really like looking at things through nice glass, I'll take binoculars any day over any glass viewfinder on the planet.

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

You REALLY need to look into a modern OLED EVF on these Newer Sony. You can comment back here after doing so. I'm sure you will be impressed. There are no grids, lines or anything they are just wow!

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tbcass
By tbcass (3 months ago)

I used OVFs for 35 years and now EVFs. I will never go back because the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

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ric63
By ric63 (3 months ago)

We agree on so many things Cass.
Even my A700 is ridiculous now compared to RX10 EVF.
JUst wish they put the NEX6/A77 OLED into it :-(

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"I hate electronic viewfinder.When I look into, my eye focus on the grid on the screen...from what the screen was made off. "

Poor thing. Did you dictate this message to your secretary because you cannot work on a computer monitor?

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EinsteinsGhost
By EinsteinsGhost (3 months ago)

Impressive specs, lower launch price than the a77.

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