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Samsung NX mini First Impressions Review

March 2014 | By Allison Johnson
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Preview based on pre-production Samsung NX mini

Samsung has a history of trying something unexpected every once in a while. This is the company that gave us the Dual View series, point-and-shoots with small secondary LCDs on the front panel, as well as the first cameras to run full Android operating systems with LTE connectivity. In a similar spirt they've introduced the Samsung NX Mini. Using a BSI 20.5MP CMOS sensor of the 1"-type, it nabs the title of 'world's slimmest interchangeable lens camera.'

The NX Mini gives the world yet another lens mount, accepting NX-M lenses. There are three planned at launch - a 9mm F3.5 (24.3mm equivalent) prime, 9-27mm F3.5-5.6 (24.3-72.9mm equivalent) collapsible zoom both available in April with the camera, and a 17mm F1.8 (45.9mm equivalent) prime slated for July. An NX mount adapter will be sold separately for $149.99.

Samsung engineers have clearly put an emphasis on the 'slim' aspect of the camera. It's only 22.5mm thick, and with the diminutive 9mm prime it's well within the bounds of jacket-pocketability. The body itself is the size of a compact point-and-shoot, and the couple of lenses we saw in the office inspired the same kind of 'those can't possibly be real lenses!' reaction that the Pentax Q7 and its lenses did when we first laid eyes on them.

Samsung NX Mini key features

  • 20.5MP 1"-type BSI CMOS sensor
  • Wi-Fi and NFC
  • 1080/30p HD video
  • P/A/S/M modes
  • Raw shooting
  • Capacitive 3.0-inch 460k-dot touch screen LCD, tilts upward 180 degrees
  • Electronic shutter with 1/16000 max shutter speed
  • 650 shot battery life with 9mm lens, 530 shots with 9-27mm lens

It may be a fresh face, but the Samsung NX Mini isn't the only super-small interchangeable lens camera game in town. Nikon's 1 series uses a 1" sensor and proprietary lens mount, while Panasonic offers the GM1 with a larger Four Thirds sensor and Micro Four Thirds mount. The intrepid Pentax Q7 came before them all, though it uses a 1/1.7" sensor - smaller than any of the above.

 
Samsung NX Mini
Panasonic GM1
Nikon 1 J3
Resolution
20.9MP
16MP
14.2MP
Sensor
1" (13.2 x 8.8 mm)
Four Thirds (17.3 x 13 mm)
1" (13.2 x 8.8 mm)
Lens mount
Samsung NX-M
Micro Four Thirds
Nikon 1
ISO range
100-25600
125-25600
160-6400
LCD design (tilt up/down)
Tilting (180° up)
Fixed
Fixed
Screen resolution
3.0" / 460K dot
3.0" / 1036K dot
3.0" / 921K dot
Max burst rate
6 fps
5 fps
15 fps
Video resolution
1920 x 1080 / 30p
1920 x 1080 / 30p
1920 x 1080 / 30p
Battery life (CIPA)
530 shots (with 9-27mm)
230 shots
220 shots

Kit options and pricing

The NX Mini will be sold in white, brown, black, mint green and pink. A kit with 9mm lens will be offered at $449 US / €399. Bundled with the 9-27mm zoom and external flash, it will cost $549 / €499.

The Samsung NX Mini will be offered in several colors with the 9-27mm kit zoom.

As with Samsung's recent advanced cameras, the NX Mini ships with a full version of Adobe Lightroom 5.


If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

Conclusion / Recommendation / Ratings are based on the opinion of the reviewer, you should read the ENTIRE review before coming to your own conclusions.

We recommend to make the most of this review you should be able to see the difference (at least) between X,Y and Z and ideally A,B and C.

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Asha Rei
By Asha Rei (5 days ago)

I've purchased this on promotion for about 295$ with the 9mm lens kit in white color. I am very pleased with it! Comparing it to my Sony NEX-5R, this camera has a better quality images and it's easy to use, fits into my purse, easy to travel with as that was the purpose of purchasing it.

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Wally Brooks
By Wally Brooks (3 months ago)

I have a nikon V1 and use the FT1 adapter allowing a 2.7 crop factor wondering if Samsung will have similar. An improvement would be multi point auto focus unlike the nikon center focus when using the FT1. Any word on an EVF?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Yes there's an adapter for NX lenses.

0 upvotes
ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

This will be the perfect telephoto companion to my wide angle 5n once Samsung releases a tele lens.

0 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (3 months ago)

I don't get it.

I can see the size and weight advantage, but I don't see a telephoto advantage here. You can do telephoto with your NEX 5N. And, if you want the higher crop factor, why couldn't you just crop a photo from the Sony 5N?

It's pretty easy to turn an APSC sensor into a 1" sensor with either in-camera ("digital zoom") or post processing cropping. Why invest in another body and a whole new set of lenses?

Is there any real advantage to using a 1" sensor over using half of an APSC sensor? To me, they are pretty much the same thing.

I would prefer to stay with one system and use that money towards another NEX lens.

0 upvotes
arbuz
By arbuz (2 months ago)

@Marty4650 - because Sony 5n has 16mpx total, maybe 4-5 cropped. NX mini give you 20MPix on crop. Quality at base ISO is very good, so there is very clear detail advantage.

2 upvotes
Mike FL
By Mike FL (3 months ago)

Does it have lens cap?

0 upvotes
ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

Zoom yes, prime no.

1 upvote
Mike FL
By Mike FL (3 months ago)

Thanks, ennemkay.

0 upvotes
ybizzle
By ybizzle (3 months ago)

The design is a Fuji XF1 rip off! Samsung did not even try to be original in any way. I have the XF1 in brown and it is the perfect compact camera for professionals such as myself who like image quality as well as style.

1 upvote
ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

they are very similar in appearance. but the xf1 itself is retro and therefore deliberately derivative of the styling of other cameras. but yeah, they are surprisingly similar.

Comment edited 55 seconds after posting
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ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

also similar to this: https://www.samsung.com/hk_en/consumer/photography/smart-camera/compact/EC-WB350FDMBHK-gallery

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yesman12
By yesman12 (3 months ago)

Didi you guys forget to compare to Pentax Q? That is probably smaller.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

The Pentax Q aint thinner. Also has much smaller sensor.

1 upvote
fz750
By fz750 (3 months ago)

It looks like Samsung's marketing department is writing some of the comments here now..

1 upvote
Individual1
By Individual1 (3 months ago)

Wow... Seems like the perfect social camera for 2014 for those ready for a step up from the phone's camera (try shooting your favorite singer on stage, a shot out of a car window while traveling, or your cat in the shower). Put on a wide, pocketable, bright prime and party. Put on the zoom and head to a concert. The market for this isn't hard to figure out. Kids (broadly defined) are tech savvy enough to change lenses. Physics seem to be keeping the zoom lens the size it is, but this is a harbinger of what the Kodak Brownie of the Internet age will look like (just add a video phone).

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Mikee
By Mikee (4 months ago)

I'm a professional photographer but this camera interests me solely for the social media aspect of party photos and instargram snap shots but also selfies when traveling.

It's buzzing in the fashion world right now and samsung was smart to get this in the hands of some fashionistas with huge followings.

1 upvote
ennemkay
By ennemkay (4 months ago)

​the 1-inch sensor is the sweet spot for the next generation of the greater-than-smartphone camera market. the ultrageeks who are maligning these types of cameras, don't understand the mainstream (pretty much, by definition). this thing and the tiny ilc sector that is emerging alongside it (nikon 1 gm1) will be enormously successful. this is the first truly pocketable ilc with a reasonably sized sensor. also "1-inch sensor" is sooo much more marketable to the masses than "micro four-thirds". wtf is "micro four thirds".

2 upvotes
Nigel Wilkins
By Nigel Wilkins (3 months ago)

WTF is a 1" sensor?...oh, it's just over half an inch wide. Makes perfect sense.

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ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

Don't get me wrong, i regard m43 as belonging to the successful shift to these mid-sized sensors, was just objecting to the marketing merit of the term "micro four thirds". One of the problems with it, among other things is the number of search term variations. Mft has been successful despite branding issues, but branding and searchabilty can be hindrances.

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Thering1975
By Thering1975 (4 months ago)

Whilst there are some stupid ommisions like a push on lens cap to protect the flat non recessed lens or quirky software issues the IQ is stunning coming from the nx300 its on par. Also the jpg output is the best I've seen ever it stumped me as it took about 30 mins of processing to get the raw file to look as good. Also pleased that there's a good deal in the UK at the most direct from Samsung. Its normally £400 but there is a voucher code for 50 quid off 20 cash back from quidco and £100 back from Samsung for sending in an old working camera all in all a £400 quid camera for £230 can't complain

2 upvotes
Feizhu
By Feizhu (4 months ago)

hi, which retail you are using?

thanks

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Feizhu
By Feizhu (4 months ago)

thanks for reply, but how do you get 50 quid off?

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ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

1-inch sensor, flip screen, sweep pano, auto hdr, nfc, insane battery life, low price. it seems to be the union of all the best features of the competition. it's too bad for sony they didn't patent all their great multi-shot image processing technology. now seems like everyone is doing what they did first (except for canon, who is falling behind). they need to hire some new ip lawyers. ;)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

For later release, Samsung did announce something like an f/1.7 8mm lens.

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Ashuaria Lee
By Ashuaria Lee (4 months ago)

Hey I got this NX-mini! haha
Man, this battery goes forever. The mirrorless had bad energy efficency compared to DSLRs, but this battery is great.

2 upvotes
ericN2
By ericN2 (4 months ago)

I'm a Samsung admirer and enthusiast since the NX-10 but if this won't take the Pancake lens of the originals I'm just not interested in yet another new one.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

It should, with the adapter.

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mosc
By mosc (4 months ago)

That 9mm should be f1.8...

Not good enough for indoor lighting, not interested.

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Ashuaria Lee
By Ashuaria Lee (4 months ago)

Agree. Wish It had faster aperture. at least F2
However, the low light performance is quite well than I expected.
You should see the real images.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

For later release, Samsung did announce something like an f/1.7 8mm lens.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Correction: 17mm f/1.8.

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srados
By srados (3 months ago)

I would like to see some shots from "mosc".Night shots, to see what is amazing quality he is looking for...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

srados:

I can confirm shooting raw it's excellent thru ISO 3200.

So easy to shoot indoors with reasonable light and the f/3.5 lens. Then the f/1.8 17 will be even better.

0 upvotes
Jostian
By Jostian (4 months ago)

looks cute... see what the reviews say!

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (4 months ago)

a camera designed for selfie
BUT FORGOT to add shutter button for selfie

HAHAHAHA
brilliant !

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

What do you mean?? you just use the shutter button on the top of the camera??

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (3 months ago)

a selfie shutter button
is designed to go with HOW you hold a camera during selfie.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

SLR club have taken some sample images of with the NX Mini so anybody wanting to see great sample images from the NX Mini go here

http://www.slrclub.com/bbs/vx2.php?id=newproduct_samsung&no=4127

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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papa natas
By papa natas (5 months ago)

They are SPLENDID!!
Any videos?
Thanks for your feedback.

1 upvote
srados
By srados (4 months ago)

thanks

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zlosyn
By zlosyn (4 months ago)

cheers

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Yarnim
By Yarnim (4 months ago)

WICKED.

Wow. Unbelievable. Pretty sure there is a diff in photographer's capability, but these are putting my NEX shots to a shame. what the heck.

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deckhanddavy
By deckhanddavy (3 weeks ago)

The heck!? Are those jpegs processed in-camera???

0 upvotes
Rehabdoc
By Rehabdoc (5 months ago)

Great second body for any NX user who wants an extra body that can double as a 2.7x multiplier tube to give you reach.

1 upvote
lagalagnewyork
By lagalagnewyork (5 months ago)

this is the camera that the sony Nex should be! i have spent a lot of money on the Nex hoping it will be the standard mini of sony. but for some reason sony went to the sony A7R instead. this is a very good camera but it is bulky unlike the Nex. i want something small with a big sensor. the samsung NX mini will now be the camera of my choice. small camera with a big sensor. i also have the small sony RX100. the best mini in town but the lens is permanent hence the limitations. kudos to samsung for this.

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captura
By captura (5 months ago)

This new Samsung is really a direct competitor for the Nikon 1 series. It is likewise a small-sensor camera with interchangeable lenses, but may be more affordable, and less quirky. But can they match the high quality level of the Nikon?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

captura:

Um, Nikon has some catching up to do with the high optical quality of better Samsung lenses. Not even the best Nikon lenses are optically close to the best Samsung lenses. For the 1 system that's the 32mm f/1.2 and for full framed Nikon DSLRs that would be the 85mm f/1.4.

Yes really.

Samsung's sensors are excellent--like the Aptina sensors used by Nikon for the 1 system.

Now Samsung doesn't make the greatest bodies, assuming, I'd posit that, they'll be replaced in a few years.

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probert500
By probert500 (3 months ago)

The nex has a sensor 4x bigger than this samsung. And sony continues to develop the nex line - they just changed the name.

The A7R with the 35mm is quite small - basically just a bit larger than the aps nex - and has a sensor 2.5 times as large as the APS nex. (which means 10x as large as the 1" sensors - but my math might be suspect.) It is a tiny monster.

So, if small with large sensor is your goal - your logic doesn't quite hold up.

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ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

except that nex lenses are big and heavy (i know, i have one)

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probert500
By probert500 (2 months ago)

Apart from the 35mm - which is small and light - I use zuiko OM lenses. Even with the adaptors they're compact and very sharp.

No interested in big zooms so I can't comment on that.

But - I tend to agree that the lens line-up could be better - and internal OSS would be better - but those sensors are just so good...

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wootpile
By wootpile (5 months ago)

"Will its slimmer proportions and Wi-Fi be enough to sway consumers toward the mini? We'll be interested to find out."

Time will tell.. but in comparing, you forgot the price factor. Nikon 1" system is ridiculously pricy.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

Perfect for this camera

https://vine.co/v/MMLwDMmn5PI

2 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (5 months ago)

"On the top of the camera here's a built-in flash nestled under the panel just above the lens mount, and a proprietary accessory port hidden under the cover in the middle of the top deck. "

I see that built-in flash is on the front of the camera. The cover on top of the lens mount is the LCD hinge.

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happypoppeye
By happypoppeye (5 months ago)

...the other cover.

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ttbek
By ttbek (5 months ago)

Doesn't seem so, that's where you would connect the SEF-7 flash, not a popup...

1 upvote
Helena777
By Helena777 (5 months ago)

Another nail in the coffin of standard P&S. I am amaze that still are P&S in the shops.

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SMPhoto
By SMPhoto (5 months ago)

I'll have one until there's something else that will fit in front jeans pocket comfortably. I may not use it much, but still will own one. As a primary FF DSLR user, it's easy to think interchangeable lens is great, and maybe for those who have no other camera it could be, but realistically, how many ppl who buy a camera like the NX Mini with 9-27 kit will ever put a different lens on it? I bet <20%. If not, they are really better off with a compact of equal IQ like Sony RX100 -smaller, no dust worries, etc.

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captura
By captura (5 months ago)

Samsung themselves made some good P&S's, with 18X or 20X zoom; travel-cams, really. I just bought one that had been sitting on a shelf for 2 years, in fact. But that market is gone, with everyone being glued to their cell phones these days.

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ennemkay
By ennemkay (4 months ago)

still need compact for small waterproof camera and for pocketable 500mm zoom (both of which describe my compacts). but i generally agree. between these tiny ilcs and always improving smartphone cameras, the standard compact p&s market is almost gone.

1 upvote
fuxicek
By fuxicek (5 months ago)

it would be more competitive, if Nikon 1 and Samsung Mini could use the same lenses, something like Olympus and Panasonic in micro 4/3 system

6 upvotes
TacticDesigns
By TacticDesigns (5 months ago)

Looks cool! The camera almost looks like a cell phone . . . imagine this lens mount on a phone? LOL.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

I'm sure they've thought of it.

4 upvotes
TacticDesigns
By TacticDesigns (5 months ago)

Yeah . . . I guess I should have put a . . . ;) at the end of that comment . . . ;)

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captura
By captura (5 months ago)

No, Sony has already thought of and marketed that. Q-models that are like lenses that glom onto your smart phone. Sony are such scandalous opportunists!

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

captura:

Those silly Q things don't shoot raw.

0 upvotes
LarryLatchkey
By LarryLatchkey (5 months ago)

I find it hard to imagine the typical customer who'd buy this with extra fixed angle lenses, and then go out and change lenses on the street if the motif suggests it. And later go out and buy more lenses... I guess 98% will only use this camera with a kit lense and maybe a future second zoom.
I always liked samsung's design and how the cameras feel in your hand, but their jpeg rendering is so weak.

What I really fail to comprehend is, why so many ILC's (from Oly PM2 to this one) don't offer a little control dial, at least one, like fuji's XF1. Or a rocker dial, better, two, for index finger and thumb (Ricoh GR...). They take almost no space and turn a sensor/lense combination into a photo camera. Just a little wheel!! Is that asking too much? I guess it's just about protecting sales of higher level models and keeping a range of different prices justifiable.

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ttbek
By ttbek (5 months ago)

When was the last time you checked their jpegs? They have improved quite a lot since the days when that reputation was developed. I agree about the dial though, it would be nice, at least iFn helps fill the gap a bit though.

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dwl017
By dwl017 (5 months ago)

Weak jpegs lol I have a NX300 paired with A 45MM F1.8 that will blow your mind.

Comment edited 20 seconds after posting
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ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

why? how is it different from a gm1 or e-pm2 in that regard?

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LarryLatchkey
By LarryLatchkey (3 months ago)

Yes I have to correct myself, I noticed recently the jpegs have evolved considerably.

@ennemkay: 'in that regard' – what are you referring to?

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rrccad
By rrccad (5 months ago)

excellent idea .. making truely portable ILC's such as the Nikon 1 or this one are really what MILC needs to be, not canon or sony's APS-C or even sony's FF.

balanced lenses and a really really small total system kit, and with IQ good enough unless you are shooting in a bat cave all night.

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captura
By captura (5 months ago)

My Nikon 1 1J1 is larger than my Sony NEX-5R with an APS-C sensor. Except for the lenses, of course.

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rrccad
By rrccad (5 months ago)

lenses make up a "system kit" .

body is immaterial after you add a few lenses.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

would love to mount a 5 lbs high quality super zoom on it.

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flipmac
By flipmac (5 months ago)

"balanced lenses and a really really small total system kit, and with IQ good enough"

I agree but instead of the Nixon 1, I'd rather go for M4/3. Better IQ, more lenses, more bodies, more accesories, etc. for similar size and sometimes smaller depending on body/lens combo.

Comment edited 12 minutes after posting
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jaygeephoto
By jaygeephoto (5 months ago)

I always offer my clients a "menu" of three choices: good, fast, and cheap - I tell them they can pick two. For those who are so inclined, we can look forward to some quality selfies I suppose.

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PepsiCan
By PepsiCan (5 months ago)

This is incredible value! Networked, reasonably priced and includes Adobe.

4 upvotes
Ashuaria Lee
By Ashuaria Lee (4 months ago)

I got the bundled Adobe Lightroom! Yeah!!!!
However RAW+JPEG saves quite fast.

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BJN
By BJN (5 months ago)

As to the tedious nature of making exposure settings using a touch screen per the above First Impression, I can testify that that touch screen operation is by far the less frustrating option on the Panasonic GM1, where the rotary control is badly designed and difficult to turn without accidentally pushing too hard and making a selection you don't want.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (5 months ago)

NX was so popular that Samsung decided to split the effort. /s

5 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

*DANGER DANGER*

If you are going to leave a comment BE WARNED! The bellow section is filled with Trolls that will bite your head if you say anything positive.

The trolls names are GM1, V1 and the RX100 brothers, Keep your eyes open and report anything suspicious

Comment edited 51 seconds after posting
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hc44
By hc44 (5 months ago)

Must be a lot of good lens glass is rendered junk because the body it's attached to is soon outdated. Makes abstracted lens a good idea.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

At base ISO, even just shooting jpeg, my Canon G2 from late 2001 still produces excellent images.

My Samsung NX100, shooting raw, takes amazing still photos thru ISO 2000.

So what's the "outdated" thing?

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hc44
By hc44 (5 months ago)

See the dictionary; I'm using the word in its usual meaning and nothing you've written invalidates my point.

Picky picky picky... what's with camera forums attracting the world's biggest toasters?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

hc44:

No, you've misused "outdated". In particular the still image quality of the NX100 is excellent through ISO 2000 in year 2014 terms.

Now, if you were making claims about video or above base ISO work for the Canon G series you'd have a point, but you didn't make those claims.

Comment edited 25 seconds after posting
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PLAMBERT
By PLAMBERT (5 months ago)

I have a 2006 four thirds Digilux 3 slr from Leica/ Panasonic/ Olympus with the firmware updated. It has a big Leica zoom lens and produces first class pictures reminiscent of Kodachrome. The images don't stand high on-screen magnification but on my 24 inch monitor the full image is certainly sharp.
It's a pity it needs to be carried in a small zoomster case but I can't get the same pleasing results from my various modern small cameras.
Philip

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hc44
By hc44 (5 months ago)

It's a general observation. People tend to buy new cameras and let their old ones gather dust. Good lenses though tend to be useful even on newer cameras, especially if compatible with the mount.

Is that wrong?

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One_Oldman_4U
By One_Oldman_4U (5 months ago)

I hope they become popular. This will make Nikon and Sony think twice about their future pricing strategy. I also hope that Samsung will come out with road map regarding this NX Mini to include a "Pro-sumer" version to compete with the Nikon 1 V3. One advantage Samsung will have is that they can flood the market with these inexpensive cameras by a much lower prices than it's competitors and hopefully will drive the prices down.

I waited to upgrade my V1 to the V3 but the price kept me out. I just wanted the body since I already have some lenses but yet no body only option here in the U.S. Even if Nikon will sell the body only, I bet it will still be in the $850.00 - $950.00 range.

Competition is great for all consumers. It's always great to have choices, good or bad.

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (5 months ago)

This camera has nothing to do with current offerings from Sony Nikon or Canon. It's a simple camera with a 1.0 Type sensor and slow lenses. The closest thing to this NX-M is the RX100 and has a 28mm f/1.8 lens in something as small (if not smaller) thant this camera.

SO nope. Nothing will change.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Rooru S:

17mm f/1.8 is slow?

You do realize that this takes interchangeable lenses, including other Samsung NX lenses? And that the adapter allows control of those NX lenses.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

> 17mm f/1.8 is slow?

it's definitely not fast on a 4/3" sensor (it might be called moderately fast more than half a century ago).

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PLAMBERT
By PLAMBERT (5 months ago)

On 4/3 that's equivalent to 35mm- I doubt you could get a 35mm f1.8 fifty years ago.
Phil

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

> I doubt you could get a 35mm f1.8 fifty years ago.

definitely not, and there is no 17/0.9 lens for 4/3" yet.

this 17/1.8 can do no better than 35/3.5 (and no worse of course). an f/3.5 prime was considered okay, good for entry-level users more than half a century ago.

an example may be Hexar 50mm f/3.5 (1948, I think standard kit lenses used to be 50mm f/1.8 or f/2 in 1950s and 1960s).

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (5 months ago)

Well, if cheap, tiny and thin internet social media connected mirrorless compact system cameras are truly the new must have devices that are destined to take over the world, then Samsung should be able to sell a gazillion of these NX mini cameras easily, and I hope they do. The problem, as I see it, is that the big box store, bargain hunting customers that this camera is aimed at are the most fickle and least brand loyal consumers on the planet. How does Samsung make a profit and keep prices low when it has to dress the camera in new model updates every 90 days or so just to keep those kinds of customers interested? Disposable cameras were the answer during the film era. Are disposable digital cameras a workable solution for today's legions of bargain basement price hunters? I think maybe yes.

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Simonsimon
By Simonsimon (5 months ago)

Wish the lens was faster, reminds me too much of my annoying sony nex-5r that I want to get rid of.

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (5 months ago)

I guess its the old dilemma, you want it fast and you want it good, but then of course it won't be light and it won;t be small then ..

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Rooru S
By Rooru S (5 months ago)

You want to get rid of a camera just because the lens is slow? What about changing lenses then?

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captura
By captura (5 months ago)

I really like my NEX-5R, except for the annoying UI (menu.) But the newest in the line is the A6000 which should cure all ills.

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ennemkay
By ennemkay (3 months ago)

I agree about the ui. The ui on cyber-shots is great but horrible on nex.

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dynaxx
By dynaxx (5 months ago)

Is there any technical reason why they could not have switched to the Micro 4/3rds lens mount ?

Such a wasted opportunity.

If the Samsung lenses are as good as some of the posts below would have us believe, Samsung should be confident they can see off the challenges from Olympus, Lumix and all the third-party lens makers for M43.

Perhaps the Korea / Japan ( Kodak and Leica are/were the only non-Japanese participants in M43 ) aggro is still too powerful.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

m43 would cannibalize with their own NX system (same quality but smaller). Oly/Pana/Sigma lenses would compete with Samsung lenses. And due to biggish sensor and required shutter, it could not be made for less than $100 unlike this plastic fantastic.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

> why they could not have switched to the Micro 4/3rds lens mount ?

for NX-M is a much better mount than m4/3" (though it's not clear if it's a good idea for Pana/Oly to trash m4/3" for a new design).

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (5 months ago)

Why should Samsung go for M4/3, they have their NX and the NX pretty much gunned for the same market the M4/3 had and its not the camera or system that's the hurdle. Its Samsung's own marketing and product placement. It made little sense for Samsung to do M4/3 , it won't differentiate enough against the NX. The NX-Mini though is a good fit betwen the NX and their Galaxy devices. I can see down the road Samsung would quietly but gradually exit the P&S / compact market. That sector is dead for camera Mfr, but there is a demand, not yet met by anybody, but now looks like Samsung trying that with the NX-Mini and they might actually hit it right. At least for me if I am to choose between the very top end prosumer compact today like Samsung's own EX or Panasonic's LX ; I might as well gun for the NX-Mini. Not to discount it also allow me to move up to NX and its distinctly better than the mobile device too while keeping pretty much that form factor in check

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peevee1
By peevee1 (5 months ago)

yabokkie, you seem to think that lenses cannot dare inside the mount. On the contrary - they do it all the time, especially when there is no mirror to clear (have a look at rangefinder lenses). You should not go all the way to the sensor anyway because of color shift on sensors with color filters and because of minimal focusing distances required. And even if you are willing to sacrifice these qualities, if you shorten the mount, what you win on WA you lose on standard and tele lenses.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

the only thing that m4/3" has is fast readout contrast AF which is very good but simply not good enough without dual-pixel AF.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

> lenses cannot dare inside the mount,

if you don't already know it, in general it'll be difficult to go beyond what the mount was designed. Samsung people used to tell me the same (just rubbish talking as any maker does, that they know well it's untrue) and now we see NX-M, a right thing to do.

it may be possible for a strange m4/3" lens with a small protruding rear element nearer to the sensor but NX-M planned it as standard and I'm sure Samsung should have simulated some designs for wide angles and super-zooms.

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captura
By captura (5 months ago)

1" sensors have their place in the world. Just look at the performance of Sony's RX100. An M43 based model would have been larger/heavier and more expensive.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (5 months ago)

@yabokkie check out the m4/3 lens diagrams, many of the wide angle lenses have rear elements that extend beyond the bayonet

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

for m4/3", the flange-back is about 19.3mm and I think back focus should be about 14-16mm (maybe 13.x mm the shortest?). this is about the body depth of NXF1 (minus LCD).

but what's important is "equivalent back focus" which is more than 26mm equiv. for m4/3". I don't have data for NX-M but it looks just a couple of millimeters, then maybe < 6mm equiv.?

> An M43 based model would have been larger/heavier ...

not necessarily be true. like we have ultra zoom lenses for 2/3" format (9.59x5.39mm) that weigh over 50 lbs.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (5 months ago)

> but what's important is "equivalent back focus" which is more than 26mm equiv. for m4/3".

How is that important? I measured an m4/3 mount just now and there's almost 10mm between the flange and the frame around the shutter, so potentially a lens could have it's rear element ~10mm from the sensor.

How would it be any different with a shallower mount?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

I feel embarrassed to have write these simple things that it's obvious a rear element has to be made smaller protruding beyond electric contacts for you have to rotate the lens to mount it and you need good holding of that protruding element, even smaller if the rear element is not fixed. these bring problems to lens design though the current fashion prefers retrofocus design that won't need too short back focus.

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ChrisKramer1
By ChrisKramer1 (5 months ago)

I think I'll wait for the S5 - or the Iphone 6!

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (5 months ago)

Apples to oranges: small-sensor phones, at least WRT the S5, without even OIS to larger-sensor ones with, if you don't go for the 9mm prime, OIS and zoom.

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Tapper123
By Tapper123 (5 months ago)

It's kinda nice, but as an RX100 II owner it doesn't make sense to me. It's bigger once lenses are attached, and the lenses are slower. If it had faster lenses and an EVF it would be more attractive.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (5 months ago)

If you need 24mm, _assuming_ it delivers proper IQ, this may be a good alternative - particularly if you get it with the 9mm prime.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

There is a 17mm (45mm) 1.8 coming out aswell. that thats a nice portrait pocket camera.

Thats was my only draw back from the SONY, I like a product that i can make my own. as i like shooting street and portrait i just need a fixed low aperture 35mm 45mm 58mm eq.

The RX100 tries to be 'good' at everything but not great at anything

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Franka T.L.
By Franka T.L. (5 months ago)

Not everyone use zoom , and that's where things diverse. RX-100 hit a sweet spot because it's significantly better than the prosumer and smartphone but keep it not quite as much as say NEX or M4/3. The NX-Mini is pretty much the same idea but as a more setup approach. I am looking at that 9mm lens and the 17mm and I say now add that NX adapter and the 30mm/2.0 I am back to the good old classic trio. I like the RX100 also , in fact wanting to buy one but the fixed lens is somewhat limiting still.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

I think it's cute and with that sensor, probably takes decent photos too. I can see it selling to people who don't follow cameras much, catching their attention in places like duty-free stores. As for the thin body, people loved those super thin Casios.

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shaocaholica
By shaocaholica (5 months ago)

I'd rather have a better phone camera than this.

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agentlossing
By agentlossing (5 months ago)

It will sell, because it's Samsung (and Best Buy will shove it in our faces).

What's the point of a slow (f/3.5), wide (24mm!) prime? Who wants it, beyond someone who will shoot the occasional landscape, and who would be served better by a larger sensor for that purpose?

Odd. Just odd. I think Samsung knows they can take market share away from the more serious mirrorless manufacturers just by releasing something that the lens comes off of.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

Its been made to be 9mm thick not outstanding optical quality. il have the 17mm (45mm eq) f/1.8 when its available

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

what has the thickness to do with optical quality?

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

I just mean their focus on this lens was to get it as small as possible and at kit lens quality. Has there ever been a Interchangeable lens camera kitted with a low aperture high quality lens at launch??

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technic
By technic (5 months ago)

"what has the thickness to do with optical quality?"

Most pancake style lenses have compromised image quality, especially in the borders/corners of the image. But who knows, maybe this one is an exception to the rule. If it is really sharp I'm definitely interested. It would be a bit like the Ricoh GR concept, but with a bit smaller sensor, tilt LCD and wider view (and with very different ergonomics, but that's another story).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

> what has the thickness to do with optical quality?

it means short back focus, the distance between the rear element and the sensor, which in turn means more freedom in lens design and we have examples of some excellent non-interchangeable lenses, primes or zooms.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (5 months ago)

So? It's wide angle lenses that benefit from being closer to the focal plane, and they don't need huge elements (f1.4 on an 8mm lens? It's a waste in almost all cases). Any lens from the "normal" focal length onwards (m4/3 17mm and above) doesn't benefit much, and the Olympus 17mm f1.8 and 25mm f1.8 have rear elements that recess several mm into the body anyway.

You really must stop with your ruler fetish, these made up metrics really have no bearing on image quality :)

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

> wide angle lenses that benefit from being closer to the focal plane

that's only your idea.

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N13L5
By N13L5 (5 months ago)

what good does the slim camera do in my pocket if it has a soda can style lens that won't retract?

There are some high quality cameras with built-in, bright, retracting zooms.

For having a DSLR sized sensor in a Sony Nex camera I can understand the design compromise. For a 1" sensor, what's the point?

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

Not everybody is going to have the zoom lens on there and you cannot have a larger sensor with a fully retractable zoom lens its that simple.

If you want a camera that fits in your pocket as small as possible and dont really care about the quality stick to your smart phone.

If you want below average quality but alot of flexibility get a good quality P&S

if you want something that is pocketable with good quality photos but has no flexibility get a Premium compact (RX100)

If you want something pocketable/small with better quality photos, flexibility and a choice of style lens get the NXMini"

if you want to expand your photography but want to stay small get a CSC (Nikon 1, NX, NEX, X, PEN)

If you want Pro like photos get a high end CSC or SLR with quality lenses

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

Those collapsing zooms have compromises, eg the slow aperture of the lens, when fully zoomed out, on the Sony RX100.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

a slimer camera will enable better lenses.

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hc44
By hc44 (5 months ago)

Camera body is pocketable by itself, detachable long zoom is pocketable by itself. Two pockets... (OK it's not perfect)

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

you can't have it all, but wait the first pancake to come.

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b craw
By b craw (5 months ago)

A predictable amount of individuals who can't fathom Samsung as a quality camera maker, most of whom have never used a higher end Samsung camera. The potentials of the NX system have been compelling with my use of the NX300; excellent functionality and feature set (with the exception of the lack of view finder or VF adaptability) - a camera with IQ outpacing competitors such as Fujifilm X-M1 and all but the highest Sony NEX models. I will wait and see to evaluate this newest Samsung NX offering, but specs do seem encouraging. It really is time for those that dismiss Samsung so immediately take a look around and acknowledge the mere possibility that it can be a very capable player in the camera market. To my mind, Samsung already is.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (5 months ago)

I think it is pretty obvious but many people seem to be missing the point of this camera.

It is aimed at young people who want a pocket able camera that takes great quality photos, either portraits, landscapes, selfies, which is connected well through WIFI implementation. Facebookers, Bloggers, Twitteres, Instagrammers, partiers and young families.

Atm moment you have a choice between the SONY RX100 where you cant chose your lens style, GM1 with bad connectivity and lack of Flippy screen is lacking and the Nikon 1 series which aren't quite pocketable

THE NX MINI IS NOT AIMED AT PRO OR SEMI PRO PHOTOGRAPHERS

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Tardyvar
By Tardyvar (5 months ago)

Im liking it much

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Nice new camera, 1" sensor compliments APS-C NX perfectly (about same difference between 1" and APS-C as APS-C and FF), and I could see adding one to my bag just for some extra tele reach with some existing NX lenses, and it is really small and handy when you want a nice compact wide/ultra-wide.

The huge benefit of this vs a fixed lens compact is I have a reason to carry both it and the NX30. It makes no sense for me to carry both a compact P&S and an NX30, but this I could do.

For those without an existing NX system, the small size, weight, and ability to change lenses could be appealing along with excellent connectivity (Samsung is among the best in this regard).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

it's interesting some Nikon users that I know got E-M1 instead of Nikon 1 as third-level camera (for recording/memo, like the set-up and environment, casual snaps, that is not one of their working gear).

1" cameras could be good third-level cameras for those who use D610 or D7100 as main gears.

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viking79
By viking79 (5 months ago)

Not sure what you mean by third-level camera.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (5 months ago)

I don't exclude possibilities that 1" cameras may develop into huge systems with high quality lenses that weigh 5 to 50 lbs but that's a long way to go and currently they are busy fighting with P&S.

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Ammarz
By Ammarz (5 months ago)

the ISO is good
the design is good
the burst is poor
the screen is bad
the battery is good
I give it 8 out of 10 for this line
waiting for sample photos

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

That's a bit of a rush to review, without samples and seeing the body+lenses in person.

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Shamael
By Shamael (5 months ago)

I know many people who use dslr's of high quality and level, more than 90% have never shot in burst or multiple exposure mode. So, if you want to shoot sport, get a fast dslr or a NEX/a

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AVISAN
By AVISAN (5 months ago)

Other than weight, I don't understand cameras that are thin with big lenses. There are so many options available that have most of the same accouterments as a multiple lens mount without all of the "stuff" that needs to be carried with you and are a lot more ergo.

I owned a Samsung NX7 that was the precursor to this type of camera minus the interchangeable lenses. It was neat but cumbersome and not all that pocket-able. Sensors have since improved and low light and Wi-Fi abilities have become common place.

I have a Cannon S120 with nearly all of the abilities of this new Nikon Mini with a versatile low light capable lens and sensor. It fits neatly in any pocket and shoots raw/jpeg snap shots.

There are more convenient options out there. If you want exchangeable lenses, use your full size DSLR. The last thing I need is to cart around more lenses. As for battery life, buy a couple extra batteries; they're small and fit in your other pocket. I like the flip-up LCD but it's a gimmick.

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Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (5 months ago)

So, you discovered this camera isn't for you and needed to tell people about it?

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (5 months ago)

So, you discovered this comment isn't for you and needed to tell people about it?

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Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (5 months ago)

yea.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (5 months ago)

AVISAN:

Canon S120, is that realistic to use at say ISO3200? Judging by the Sony RX100II, this Samsung will likely be perfectly useable at ISO 3200.

Is the lens faster than f/2.0? One of the Samsung lenses is.

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