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Samsung NX mini First Impressions Review

March 2014 | By Allison Johnson
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Preview based on pre-production Samsung NX mini

Samsung has a history of trying something unexpected every once in a while. This is the company that gave us the Dual View series, point-and-shoots with small secondary LCDs on the front panel, as well as the first cameras to run full Android operating systems with LTE connectivity. In a similar spirt they've introduced the Samsung NX Mini. Using a BSI 20.5MP CMOS sensor of the 1"-type, it nabs the title of 'world's slimmest interchangeable lens camera.'

The NX Mini gives the world yet another lens mount, accepting NX-M lenses. There are three planned at launch - a 9mm F3.5 (24.3mm equivalent) prime, 9-27mm F3.5-5.6 (24.3-72.9mm equivalent) collapsible zoom both available in April with the camera, and a 17mm F1.8 (45.9mm equivalent) prime slated for July. An NX mount adapter will be sold separately for $149.99.

Samsung engineers have clearly put an emphasis on the 'slim' aspect of the camera. It's only 22.5mm thick, and with the diminutive 9mm prime it's well within the bounds of jacket-pocketability. The body itself is the size of a compact point-and-shoot, and the couple of lenses we saw in the office inspired the same kind of 'those can't possibly be real lenses!' reaction that the Pentax Q7 and its lenses did when we first laid eyes on them.

Samsung NX Mini key features

  • 20.5MP 1"-type BSI CMOS sensor
  • Wi-Fi and NFC
  • 1080/30p HD video
  • P/A/S/M modes
  • Raw shooting
  • Capacitive 3.0-inch 460k-dot touch screen LCD, tilts upward 180 degrees
  • Electronic shutter with 1/16000 max shutter speed
  • 650 shot battery life with 9mm lens, 530 shots with 9-27mm lens

It may be a fresh face, but the Samsung NX Mini isn't the only super-small interchangeable lens camera game in town. Nikon's 1 series uses a 1" sensor and proprietary lens mount, while Panasonic offers the GM1 with a larger Four Thirds sensor and Micro Four Thirds mount. The intrepid Pentax Q7 came before them all, though it uses a 1/1.7" sensor - smaller than any of the above.

 
Samsung NX Mini
Panasonic GM1
Nikon 1 J3
Resolution
20.9MP
16MP
14.2MP
Sensor
1" (13.2 x 8.8 mm)
Four Thirds (17.3 x 13 mm)
1" (13.2 x 8.8 mm)
Lens mount
Samsung NX-M
Micro Four Thirds
Nikon 1
ISO range
100-25600
125-25600
160-6400
LCD design (tilt up/down)
Tilting (180° up)
Fixed
Fixed
Screen resolution
3.0" / 460K dot
3.0" / 1036K dot
3.0" / 921K dot
Max burst rate
6 fps
5 fps
15 fps
Video resolution
1920 x 1080 / 30p
1920 x 1080 / 30p
1920 x 1080 / 30p
Battery life (CIPA)
530 shots (with 9-27mm)
230 shots
220 shots

Kit options and pricing

The NX Mini will be sold in white, brown, black, mint green and pink. A kit with 9mm lens will be offered at $449 US / €399. Bundled with the 9-27mm zoom and external flash, it will cost $549 / €499.

The Samsung NX Mini will be offered in several colors with the 9-27mm kit zoom.

As with Samsung's recent advanced cameras, the NX Mini ships with a full version of Adobe Lightroom 5.


If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

Conclusion / Recommendation / Ratings are based on the opinion of the reviewer, you should read the ENTIRE review before coming to your own conclusions.

We recommend to make the most of this review you should be able to see the difference (at least) between X,Y and Z and ideally A,B and C.

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ggggee
By ggggee (4 months ago)

Someone has trouble with the measurements. 3.3 inches and 110mm are far from equivalent. 3.3 inches is quite small and 110mm is not. Which is true?

Comment edited 20 seconds after posting
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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (4 months ago)

Sorry about that - we're fixing.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (4 months ago)

just a typo. 4.3"

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Shamael
By Shamael (4 months ago)

3.3 inches is 84mm

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

I think people talk about selfies too much, which isn't the nature of the new camera/mount. the most important thing about NX-M is it got a very short flange-back which will allow better lens design, way better than NX and m4/3" at least.

also, Samsung effectively says that those 1" P&S (or 2/3" or even 1/1.7" ones with small f-number lenses) should be safe from mobile attack, for now.

Comment edited 13 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (4 months ago)

"Leading a new ‘Selfie’ trend, shoot outstanding images in style with the world's slimmest interchangeable-lens camera"

It's literally the first line of their press release.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

so "people" includes Samsung marketing.

Comment edited 15 seconds after posting
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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (4 months ago)

What is the flange distance? It's not even been made public. With the same flange to sensor size ratio as m4/3 and NX it would be 14mm for a 1" sensor.

Plus many lenses have recessed rear elements anyway...

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

> recessed rear elements

basically the bayonet plus some protruding (EF-S) and 7mm may be a good guess. the depth of NXF1 is 22.5mm including tilting LCD and sensor that the back focus could be 1mm if Samsung wants it.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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captura
By captura (4 months ago)

So, potential of adapting these lenses to Nikon 1 system cameras?

0 upvotes
tjobbe
By tjobbe (4 months ago)

BTW: the new NX mini draws more attention to the DPR public compared to the OM-D E10 when you just count the number of comments

...and remember: any news is good news

1 upvote
retro76
By retro76 (4 months ago)

Personally I think it's because the m43rds buzz has fizzled out. All you see on for sale forums these days is piles of m43rds bodies. I think the 1 inch sensor is the new craze and has more potential. Nikon has proved that the Aptina sensor can offer pro level focusing and shot to shot times and Sony had proven that DSLR quality can be obtained from the 1 inch sensor. People want small, but they don't want to compromise on performance, the 1 inch sensor is proven to have this potential and big names like Nikon, Sony, and now Samsung are behind it.

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captura
By captura (4 months ago)

Yes, the M43 people seem scared as heck!

0 upvotes
Matt1645f4
By Matt1645f4 (4 months ago)

I love the idea, just purely from a personal perspective i'd prefer to see the lens mounted in the centre. It would be interesting to see if in time Samsung launch a slim line collapsible lens to make i even more pocket able.

1 upvote
tkbslc
By tkbslc (4 months ago)

It's usually off center on a compact body to allow for the battery, which usually won't fit behind the lens mount.

0 upvotes
SWSF14
By SWSF14 (4 months ago)

Bigger but cheaper for selfies, Sony NEX 3N can be had for less than $300 nowadays.

1 upvote
Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (4 months ago)

The samsung will also be discounted eventually.

Except it has a touchscreen, wifi, nfc, software suite to auto-upload your pics.

1 upvote
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

very true with a APSC sensor. the only problem is the people taking sefies its too fat

1 upvote
CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (4 months ago)

I like it.
If I am serious about something I carry a big DSLR. But as a step up from a PS its and interesting option.

4 upvotes
PazinBoise
By PazinBoise (4 months ago)

This is not designed to be a hard core enthusiast/pro camera which is why lots of folk seems to be ready to tear it apart. It is designed to be a camera that appeals to people that like new gadgets, do a fair amount of social media sharing, want a "cool" camera, and want better IQ/more flexibility than their phones/P&S offer.

I think this is a pretty neat looking camera and am interested in seeing what kind of pictures it can produce. I do think the price a little high but heck, within a year of release I'm sure the price will come down. Hopefully enough of these sell so that Samsung keeps developing the system.

3 upvotes
marc petzold
By marc petzold (4 months ago)

Does the Zoom Lens have a Filterthread integrated?

At least, it looks so if you check the picture of the 9-27mm 3.5-5.6 Zoom from the side:

http://geizhals.at/p/1087504.jpg

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tjobbe
By tjobbe (4 months ago)

the zoom would have a 39mm thread

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MFiftysomething
By MFiftysomething (4 months ago)

Samsung v Nikon 1 = a race to the bottom $amsung alway discount fast, there are so many J1s on the market at the moment Ebay is awash!

1 upvote
retro76
By retro76 (4 months ago)

Yes, and people are picking up Nikon J1's left and right due to the firesale which is only helping push recognition of the system. I bought a Nikon J3 on discount and everyone I show it to wants one, but know one really ever heard of it (bad marketing on Nikon's part). To be honest, I think the 1 inch sensor will win the mirrorless sensor war, you have to remember this about consumer adoption and not what forum enthusiasts on dpreview like, we make up a very small percentage of the market. it's your "soccer" mom and dad that will eventually migrate away from the DSLR and they will want something portable in the process.

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Shamael
By Shamael (4 months ago)

There is no doubt that the Nikon 1 is of interest and a good system, only the price makes it unaffordable. In the fire sales, when prices dropped to 300$ for the 1V1, they sold like hot dogs. I would buy a V3 right away for 350$ for the camera only, or 550$ with EVF and grip.

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MFiftysomething
By MFiftysomething (4 months ago)

What is the point in a slim slippery body and a huge lens? why not just give it a built in zoom or if you must have inter changeable lenses give it a proper grip -that thing is going in a camera bag anyway.

3 upvotes
jonikon
By jonikon (4 months ago)

The Nikon One J1 with 10-30mm VR lens can be purchased for under $180 in the US, and the V1 with EVF for less than this Samsung as well , and (unlike the Samsung), both have fast and accurate on sensor phase detection auto focus capability for stills and video. The Nikon NI cameras also have a much larger and better native lens selection going out to 300mm (same FOV as 800mm on FX), and the ability to use Nikon FX and DX lenses in full auto mode with the FT-1 adapter. For these reasons, I don't see Samsung's 1" sensor cameras competing successfully with the Nikon 1 system cameras, (especially in the US where Samsung is only thought of as a television and appliance company.)

2 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Canon 5dmrIII?? forget that i can pick up a 1ds for £300.

great logic

THIS IS NOT A CAMERA FOR PROS OR PEOPLE LOOKING TO INVEST IN 1000 LENSES. COME ON

2 upvotes
Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (4 months ago)

yea and the J1 came out @ $650 for the body + kit lens with no touchscreen, wifi, or NFC with a screen that cannot be flipped up

This isn't a camera made for serious buyers that spend their free time wasted complaining on the forums comparing it to a failed system from a manufacturer that knows nothing about connectivity and doesn't know which direction it wants to compete in the mirrorless market.

It's made for people who want a lightweight, "connected", easy to use camera with 600+ shots of battery life and can fit into most pockets with the smaller prime.

4 upvotes
retro76
By retro76 (4 months ago)

I don't look at it that way. I believe this is good for Nikon. I think there is a growing trend towards the 1 inch sensor. Sony, Nikon, and now Samsung is aboard.

1 upvote
Brigcam
By Brigcam (4 months ago)

So is this all electronic shutter, or does it have leaf shutters in the lens?

1 upvote
Allison Johnson
By Allison Johnson (4 months ago)

All electronic, all the time.

1 upvote
Brigcam
By Brigcam (4 months ago)

All electronic and sync speed of 1/200? That's pretty impressive.

1 upvote
Digitall
By Digitall (4 months ago)

Up to now, 5 users have had this camera supposedly already sold :)

5 upvotes
SammyToronto
By SammyToronto (4 months ago)

You know you're an early adopter when you buy (and sell!) the product even before it's commercially released :)

5 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (4 months ago)

Nice complementary camera to my father's wife's friend's daughter's boyfriend's lover's Canon Powershot N!

0 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

daughter's boyfriend's lover??

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (4 months ago)

Yea, which is a teenager who takes selfies and share on the interweb every hour.

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BG_CX3_DPREVIEW
By BG_CX3_DPREVIEW (4 months ago)

There must be a market for these things,

Nikon keeps investing in their 1 series, now Samsung.

I don't get it really, The NX300 costs almost the same, with a18/55.

Probably a style exercise, a model to create as thin lenses as possible.

Now their engineers have a platform to try thsoe thin lenses, if it fails, than it is because of the mini, so the mini dies and the other cameras do not suffer from it.

Still i don't get it, there is absolutley no benfit whatsoever in using a 1 sensor over a 1/1.7.

Enough enthousiasts cameras in the same price range that perform just as good.

A 1 cannot create bokeh with these small and slow lenses anyhow.

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Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (4 months ago)

The market in asia is much different than the one in the west.

ILC's are doing much better, and females want better image quality in small sizes and have the pics easy to share...

This camera is all of that, and more.

1 upvote
samfan
By samfan (4 months ago)

1" sensor is a pretty good compromise between 1/1.7" and APS-C regarding to IQ, size/weight of the lenses and (in theory) price.

You can actually have some background blur with a 1" sensor, not much worse than m43 but way better than 1/1.7". It just depends on lenses. I'm a proponent of this sensor size, it just needs to be done right.

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technic
By technic (4 months ago)

"no benfit whatsoever in using a 1 sensor over a 1/1.7."

really? So all the buyers of RX100, Nikon 1 and similar cameras are delusional and should buy a 1/1.7" compact/ILC instead??

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

if one thinks that f/2.8 on 35mm format should be the minimum for bright lenses (medium/low cost mass market), then 1-inch format can do it with f/1.0 lenses (which will be quite good for 4/3"). one of reasons why 1-inch is chosen.

the sensor is large enough for 8K (1.7um pixel size) and beyond, all depends on good lenses and not the sensor area which is large enough (sensor area affects adequate light performance, lens aperture affects available/low light performance).

even at lower resolutions, super/hyper zooms will be popular for 8K video, too, and large apertures are very difficult for heavy weight (e.g., we have > 50 lbs lens for 2/3" format).

also, there is f-number cheating that many users insist they deserve to be ripped off. it's not a bad idea to make use of it.

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jonikon
By jonikon (4 months ago)

"no benefit whatsoever in using a 1 sensor over a 1/1.7."
I disagree.
The 1" sensor in the V1 has greater dynamic range and better high ISO IQ than any of the dozen 1/1.7 sensor cameras I have owned, so I can't agree with you.
In fact the Nikon 1" sensors IQ is superior to the older DSLRs like the Nikon D40, but with better AF and much higher frame rate with video capability as well, all in a much smaller package. As an owner of APS-C DSLRS, I was skeptical of the the 1" sensor as well, at least until I actually purchased and used the Nikon V1.
I have been favorably impressed with the Nikon One image quality to the point that I now use it more than my DSLRs and I never use my drawer full of P&S cameras anymore. Different strokes for different folks!

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retro76
By retro76 (4 months ago)

Easy answer. We assume that Fuji or Olympus or Panasonic will take the cake, but you need to think about the average consumer and what he/she wants. Fuji/Olympus are catering to enthusiasts, camera geeks, and hipsters - not average joe consumer. For mirrorless to take off, it needs to reach a broader user base. I believe the 1 inch sensor is the absolute best option. Nikon has proven the speed and performance of this sensor, Sony has proven SLR like quality from this sensor and now Samsung has decided to jump into the game. I just wished their was a univeral lens mount for the 1 inch system.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (4 months ago)

Samsung deploys a sensor 1" (13.2 x 8.8 mm) vs the Four Thirds (17.3 x 13 mm). We have seen the gap between APS-C and Four Thirds to narrow in dynamic range and IQ. Four Thirds is in the between of 1” and APS-C, stuck around end-of-lifecycle 16 MP sensors.

The 1” sensor size today has got enormous potential by recent advances in manufacturing and software.

I personally believe that miniaturized APS-C mirrorless cameras will grow, Four Thirds get squeezed. On the opposite, the Canon and Nikon mirrorless feel like a half-hearted add-on to their mainstream hardware expressing <we must do something against the mirrorless danger>. I got the feeling, the Big Two have decoupled from market reality, cultivating their “good old times” of classic Corporate behavior. Retracing to FF and pro high speed APS-C may be.

Therefore, congratulations to Samsung for their courage and risk taking. We are in need of those initiatives with new insights and the drive for realization with the hearts behind.

5 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (4 months ago)

> we must do something against the mirrorless danger

they don't have to think that way. Oly and Pana will take a certain market share with SLR type cameras, too. why Pana chose m4/3" was because it didn't like the idea to buy mirror box from Oly which followed for their SLR 4/3" mount was really a bad design, probably the worst in camera history.

the thing is quite simple. mirror or mirrorless we need good cameras and makers need profits.

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Tonkotsu Ramen
By Tonkotsu Ramen (4 months ago)

620 shots in that size? thats at least 2x the shots of most compact with smaller sized sensors

5 upvotes
dyoon153
By dyoon153 (4 months ago)

perfect for selfie-frenzy

3 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

Probably because the built-in flash is extra weak to cheat CIPA testing (which fires flash every second shot), or they simply did not follow CIPA method as Samsung usually does (like for example cheating on sizes of their cameras, excluding depth of mount and/or grip and putting depth at the smallest point instead).

1 upvote
dyoon153
By dyoon153 (4 months ago)

Flash does look tiny, but why would you need strong flash for selfie anyway? ;)

0 upvotes
technic
By technic (4 months ago)

Great to see more competition and some new ideas in the 1 inch sensor arena :-)

3 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

comment 300

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Gesture
By Gesture (4 months ago)

Neither fish nor fowl. Competes best against premium compacts like Panasonic LX7, Olympus XZ-2, Samung's own EX2, Pentax MX1-what with the much larger sensor.

Adapter should be $50-OR LESS. Anyone buying will be invested in NX system. Why punish your early adopters.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Right, but the EX2f was discontinued.

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SRT201
By SRT201 (4 months ago)

Let's hope Samsung actually cares enough to test this new camera thoroughly. The EX2F was very well designed but hampered by the buggiest firmware I have ever seen in a camera and as per Samsung's MO, they never fixed many of the major bugs. They simply move on to the next model.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

SRT:

Hadn't heard of the firmware problems with the EX2F.

Samsung has fixed various firmware problems with the NX cameras.

0 upvotes
Dimit
By Dimit (4 months ago)

Too big for too few physical controls.
Too expensive for what smartphones will be anytime soon.
Too immatured as a system for what 1'' is good at: telephoto capabilities(forget adapters!).
Too much trouble for nothing!
..............................Get a GM1 instead.......................

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Panasonic GM1

Too expensive
much thicker (even thicker with lenses)
not connected at all well with wifi
no flippy screen
Panasonic UI
No hotshoe

and im a GM1 fan aswell

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
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plasnu
By plasnu (4 months ago)

This camera is obviously for someone who just walk in BestBuy and grab a camera. GM is for educated users. Completely different market.

2 upvotes
AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

Very funny plasnu !!

Its exactly the opposite. Someone without knowledge will go to bestbuy and buy Panasonic because of it brand name. Educated users will see following before buying camera (not brand):

1. Samsung has 20 MP vs Panasonic has 16 MP sensor
2. Samsung ISO 100-25600 vs Panasonic ISO 200-25600
3. Samsung Flash Sync 1/200 sec vs Panasonic 1/50 sec
4. Samsung mechanical shutter vs Panasonic electronic shutter
5. Samsung NFC vs Panasonic no NFC
6. Samsung ships with Lightroom for free vs Panasonic no LR
7. Samsung has tilting screen vs Panasonic no such thing
8. Samsung has hotshoe vs Panasonic no hot shoe
9. Samsung has remote control vs NO for Panasonic
10. Samsung 650 shots vs Panasonic 230 shots (battery life)

If you want more, see AndreSJ's lists as well. How can I tell you educated??? LOL

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Panasonic GM1

Too expensive"

It actually fell in price.

"much thicker (even thicker with lenses)"

No, actually the 12-32 lens is smaller and lighter than Samsung 9-18.

"not connected at all well with wifi"

Yes it is.

"no flippy screen"

True. Can use a smartphone for this though. And NXM has only FLIP-UP screen anyway, useless for overhead shooting.

"Panasonic UI"

This is a good thing.

"No hotshoe"

Just as NXM - no hotshoe either.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Samsung has hotshoe vs Panasonic no hot shoe"

Wrong, it is not a hotshoe. It is a useless propitiatory port.

As usual, Samsung hires shills for new product releases.

Comment edited 34 seconds after posting
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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

£600 is still expensive!!

the NXMini body is 20% thinner then the GM1, and Panasonic has made that 1 lens dedicated to the GM1 we shall see if they make any more

Panasonics wifi is a pile of crap

obviously the flip out screen isnt for overhead shooting but for the people who this camera is aimed at a 180o flip screen is great. better to have it then not to have it surly??

Panasonic UI is overly complex

propitiatory port better then nothing at all!!

Like i said im a fan of the GM1 but im not a fan boy that has to say thats the only camera and is better in everyway, i can see the advantages on both sides. unlike some apparently ^^

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AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

peevee1: be careful in your remark. This is utterly offensive and uncivil:

"As usual, Samsung hires shills for new product releases."

Whatever I wrote are not wrong at all (I compared both camera side-by-side in DPR), if anything wrong you can always correct it, but not in stupid way.

0 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (4 months ago)

AP7, I believe you're working for S. Good luck with your career!

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
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AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

peevee1, which company are you working with? Are you a fanboy or troll? Perhaps, I feel too bad for your Panny GM1 purchase. Don't worry, you may sell it in Kijiji or Craiglist and can buy NX mini later. I really feel sorry for you. Oh, poor guy completely devastated by Samsung NX mini release and looking for some peace of mind. Really feel sorry for you buddy.

Can you STOP trolling here? Samsung NX mini is not from your company. So why bother? You can be active when your company release something. You can continue trolling if your company pays for bashing other company's product (otherwise you may loose job I believe).

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AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

Previous reply is for plasnu (although plasnu and peevee1 are the same person)

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 3 minutes after posting
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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"peevee1, which company are you working with?"

I am working for a company which has nothing to do with cameras.

"Perhaps, I feel too bad for your Panny GM1 purchase."

I never bought GM1 and probably never will - too small for my hands, while the lens makes it not easily jeans-pocketable (just like with NXM) without any benefits over what I already have.
But I am very interested in technology and know a step back when I see one.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

peevee1 doesn't work with cameras he just hates Samsung and wants everybody to know about it

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darngooddesign
By darngooddesign (4 months ago)

@Peevee1
"True. Can use a smartphone for this though. And NXM has only FLIP-UP screen anyway, useless for overhead shooting."

1. Turn the camera upside down
2. Take the photo
3. Rotate the photo

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DenisBBergeron
By DenisBBergeron (4 months ago)

What? No GPS, No android or photo apps and 500$ price tag!
No way. even with all this feature.

1 upvote
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

It has 620 shot battery life, put in GPS you can say goodbye to that

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

It has that battery life because built in flash is, well...

0 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

is what??

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

Weak, not using much power on every second shot as per CIPA testing (even if Samsung used Japanese CIPA standard, which is not given - they don't follow it for reporting their sizes for example).

0 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

I honestly dont see the complaint, i think lowering the Built in flash power to increase battery life is a good idea. only your average joe will use the built in flash and 1 of the bundles comes with an external flash if you want more power. I personally would almost never use a built in flash so im happy if a camera can offer me 500+ shots per battery life

0 upvotes
mauritsvw
By mauritsvw (4 months ago)

"only FLIP-UP screen anyway, useless for overhead shooting."

Just turn the camera upside down so you can see the flipped up screen, and press the shutter button with your left thumb.

0 upvotes
Hannu108
By Hannu108 (4 months ago)

"While it's great that the mini will be available with the 9mm prime, F3.5 is awfully slow."

Is it sooo awful???

0 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (4 months ago)

The 28mm end on the Sony RX100 is f1.8.

2 upvotes
Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (4 months ago)

"The 28mm end on the Sony RX100 is f1.8."

Yup... and other, comparable, even APS-C kit primes are faster; for example, Sony's E-mount 16mm. Of course, it's not the best IQ-wise and, just like Sammy's new 9mm prime, doesn't have OIS, but is at least small and cheap.

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technic
By technic (4 months ago)

"The 28mm end on the Sony RX100 is f1.8."

and how bright is the 24mm end? ;-)

Also, it really depends on quality - the RX100 zoom isn't very good in the borders/corners until about f/5.6. If the Sammy prime is sharp at f/3.5-4 (including the corners) it could be attractive.

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mosc
By mosc (4 months ago)

Why do you think a cheapo kit lens is going to be sharp wide open at the corners? What possible reason do you have for saying that? They all have that weakness. It doesn't have anything to do with the aperture advantage.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

The reason one might think it would be sharp is that Samsung has done quite well in making lenses that are sharp across the frame. Hopefully they do the same here, though as you say, it's not to do with the aperture. The NX 30mm is also a very cheap lens (got mine from B&H for ~200 USD), and it performs very well in terms of edge to edge sharpness, especially for a pancake.

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Horshack
By Horshack (4 months ago)

The phrase "Little Wonder" can be interpreted several different ways.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Im confused why they have said this on a first impressions review also with no tests, it could end up being crap haha

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

Could? Like everything Samsung, it is plastic crap. And I owned a Samsung phone and own a Samsung TV. Expensive ones. Bad mistakes.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

^^ stop trolling please its embarrassing.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

It is working, isn't it? ;)

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

hahahaha

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Frank C.
By Frank C. (4 months ago)

the same way I would not buy a phone from Nikon I would not buy a camera from Samsung... funny eh?

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Cheers for your in depth review on brand capabilities

You seem to like commenting on Samsung camera reviews though??

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (4 months ago)

"the same way I would not buy a phone from Nikon I would not buy a camera from Samsung... funny eh?"

Well, you lock yourself out from some goodies... the "real" NX APS-C cameras are pretty good. So are some of their lenses.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Apparently 3 people have already had this camera and got rid of it hahahahahaha

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (4 months ago)

Things move very quickly in the Internet World!

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qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (4 months ago)

Marty, you are a funny dude.

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viktoriskra
By viktoriskra (4 months ago)

I don't want to troll, but I really hate the grip on my 5D Mark VI.

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Erick L
By Erick L (4 months ago)

Would be more interesting if it had a phone in it.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

No, it wouldn't, specifically because the OS for a smart phone would gum up the works--and have to be left on all the time.

I guess it could work with a normal dumb cellphone.

It's Samsung's replacement for the well liked serious P&S cameras known as the EXF2 and EXF1(TL500).

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

it would be interesting but it would fail. Phones and Cameras have different tax codes and have to marketed differently, as well as stores buying them in differently. it would be in Carphone warehouse in stead of Jessops.
+ it would make it more expensive to buy, more expensive to run and more complicated to handle
Sad facts but a camera will probably never have a phone in it

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ageha
By ageha (4 months ago)

Oh no, it wouldn't obviously.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

AndreSJ:

"Sad facts but a camera will probably never have a phone in it"

Give it 20 years and the introduction of instant-on for computers--it's coming thru RAM that can remember when off and faster solid state storage.

Then allow one OS to run the phone with a quick switch to a nearly separate OS running the camera thru physical buttons.

Quickly uploading say 3 gigs of raws is still going to be a problem for much longer though--barring the mass release of secret communications tech.

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Erick L
By Erick L (4 months ago)

You guys have no imagination. ;-)

My phone isn't "gummed up" so I don't see why a camera would. They could always make the camera operable without having android on or vice-versa.

I bought into mirrorless to travel. I still have to carry a phone for the odd call, checking email, maps and other touristy stuff. There's no reason this couldn't be done with a camera. It would be just a phone with a larger sensor and interchangeable lenses.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

@Erick L thats what my first comment covered. Its a completely different tax code which means different marketing and buying by stores. if you put the capability to call in a camera it becomes a phone no matter the size of the sensor or the fact you can change lenses

So few people would buy a phone because it acts like a camera and doesnt have any other smart phone characteristics the same way so few camera consumers would go to a phone store to look for a camera just so it has the capability to call.

There is no money to be made here

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Erick:

The problem remains start up time from fully off, and fully off is something you want with a camera.

Then, right they could do a separate OS for the camera, but it hasn't happened yet.

The Samsung Galaxy NX has good image quality and there are very good lenses for that system, however Android gums things up.

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Erick L
By Erick L (4 months ago)

Of course it hasn't happened yet. Nothing happens until it does.

Not sure what you mean by "fully off is what you want". Why? Camera phones already exist and they're pretty damn popular. I'm just asking for a bigger sensor and a zoom like the RX100 or interchangeable lenses.

As for tax code and marketing. Well, I don't know about tax codes but B&H, Amazon, Best Buy etc, all sell both phones and cameras. People don't buy a phone to talk anymore. The camera and web access is as, if not more important than the phone.

I think there's money to be made, more so than with this "Little Wonder". If this is targeted at facebook and instagram users, why not cut the middle man? (the phone, that is).

I'm surprised no one said it would look silly talking with a big camera to one's ear. Well, I don't care if it looks silly, but for those who do, you could have a bluetooth ear piece. Add a button so it doubles as a remote release.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

I think you guys haven't been following things. The NX-Mini probably runs Tizen, as the NX30, NX300, NX2000, and some others do. Tizen is also running on some Samsung TVs and is destined for some of their future smartphone models. So the NX-Mini is in all likelihood running a smartphone OS already (one that is more efficient that Android in my opinion, but that's another big discussion). What it is lacking to be a phone is some software for making calls (already developed for the Tizen to be running on phones anyway) and a GSM module or the like. Whether it is marketed as a phone or as a camera it wouldn't be impossible to see a device with a 1 inch sensor and calling capabilities in the next few years.

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Joseph Mama
By Joseph Mama (4 months ago)

I dunno. It seems pricey and I am not seeing a lot of advantages to this format being played to.

2.7x crop factor is awesome for long range. Nikon 1 has the 30-130 which is fairly small but great hitting range. They can also adapter to use a 300mm giving them 850mm equivalent which hits superzoom territory.

This camera doesnt have anythhing longer than 80mm. For that, I mine as well stick with a micro 4/3rds or APS-C that ALSO has relatively small lenses and takes much better pictures.
OR, as many have said...get an RX100 which is totally fire-and-forget, with no need for lens swapping or lens capping, folding, storage, etc.

To keep me from just buying an RX100, this would have to offer SOMETHING. Range seems like an obvious bonus that I cant get from an RX100. That they are ignoring altogehter.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

Samsung also has an adapter, though their NX lenses only go as long as a 50-200. So like 540mm equivalent. This is actually a good improvement in range for those that are shooting mainly with the NX system.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Joseph Mama:

The RX100II is a good bit more expensive and mighty slow when zoomed. (I guess the RX100 is cheaper.)

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Tbh as much as im a fan of samsung i doubt many people will buy this for its Tele capabilities as the NIKON 1series has faster shooting anda grip. this camera is simply aimed at young people who want better photos then their phones, young families who want something lightweight and CSC users who want a pocket camera

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

AndreSJ:

It's a lot cheaper than Nikon 1 cameras, and good Samsung lenses are much much better than good Nikon lenses, including the good Nikon 1 32mm f/1.2 (a lens for the Nikon 1 system that aint cheap).

Right, Nikon will win on raw frame rate.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

true i just really dont think people should assume because you can do something with the NXMini that it should be used in that way.

If i was doing Tele shooting i would prefer nikon V2 over the NX mini simply because it would be much better to handle in that situation. just as the NX Mini will be much better for pocket everyday use

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

AndreSJ:

Right, I like the grip on the Nikon 1 V2. I just want Nikon to introduce more faster lenses, and ideally reduce the pixel count.

Clearly, Samsung has designed this body for putting in one's pocket easily. If this Samsung has a 1/4" tripod mount, one trick to making it grippable is to screw a small tripod head into the mount.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

Well, I'll try it out and let you know if it works out well shooting with the 50-200 on it. I'm not certain it will work out either, also considering that there is no PDAF. The Nikon is a bad pick for me on 2 counts, investing in an entirely new system, and the smaller resolutions allows for less "crop zoom." I tend to handle a setup like this by the lens rather than by the camera, which I find I need to do anyway for stability when handheld even with a DSLR like the 5D Classic. Pluses to the Nikon are frame rate, focussing, and even longer lens options, which made me seriously consider it, but I haven't got that kind of budget right now.

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Frank C.
By Frank C. (4 months ago)

just use you cellphone for snapshots, why buy this? for more pro like and better IQ pics just use your dslr

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Maybe i want better photos then my Phone can give me?? And y DSLR doesn't fit in my pocket??

your assuming that all people do is take snapshots or pro like photos, nothing in-between

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Frank C:

This is a bit more than a "snap shot" camera, and it will of course shoot raw, unlike almost every cellphone. Bigger sensor too.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Maybe i want better photos then my Phone can give me?? And y DSLR doesn't fit in my pocket??"

With the 9-27 lens on, it will not fit in your pocket either. And with the lens starting from f/3.5 and going to f/5.6 quickly, I would not be so sure it is any better than a decent smartphone camera (like Nokia PureView).

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

STOP TROLLING!! and i don't wear skinny jeans it will fit in my pocket.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

No kidding people, NX300 with the 30mm fits in any of my pockets, thought it's a bit bulky for pants/shorts pockets it does very well for hoodies/light coats/sports jackets and anything else with pockets around that size. SL1 would fit in my coat pockets easy (old Russian army coats have nice big pockets, might even take a 5D).

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Cameraderie
By Cameraderie (4 months ago)

what people would say if this camera's brand is a:

Sony: crowd says great product by Sony.
Nikon: crowd says great product by Nikon.
m4/3: crowd says great product by Oly/Pana.
Canon: crowd says great product by Canon.
Fuji: crowd says great product by Fuji.

crowd's reaction for camera being a Samsung brand:

Samsung copied everything.
it is a Samsung
might as well buy an RX100.
1 inch sensor?
slow lenses
no lenses
more interchangeable mount?
every negative thing that can be said about the camera

now all of a sudden, the camera turned bad just because of the brand name. surely this judging has nothing to do with the camera's real capability but more on judging the camera for it's brand. come on people. just make it easy for yourselves and say that you don't like the brand rather than mention cow dung excuses.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

hahah soo true but hey thats part of product politics today and its down to Samsung to change that. 1 GREAT product can change everything. The NX300 changed a lot of minds so they have it in them

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (4 months ago)

I think you have too much faith in other forum posters, this is how it usually seems to play out:

Canon/Nikon DSLR: "Boring old camera dinosaurs need to die!"
Nikon 1/m43: "Sensor too small lol f-stop cheating!"
Fuji: "Fuji lens cost $9999 best ever 50mm dslr lens cost $100, Fuji rip off!"
Sony: "Ha lens selection isn't as good as (insert other system)!"

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

As far as I'm concerned, I won't spend on Samsung anymore, unless:

1) they make a rangefinder styled APS-C camera with a non sequential OLED EVF at least as good as Oly, Fuji or Sony ones
2) they have CAF at least on par with A6000 and Fuji X-T1
3) they have at least the same high ISO iq and dr as A6000
4) the model with 1+2+3 features cost as much as (or less) Sony A6000

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Cameraderie
By Cameraderie (4 months ago)

why not buy the A6000 now if you are not that into Samsung?

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Then you wont be buying Samsung again simply on your first point.

Samsung like SONY, Like PANASONIC have no experience or previous rangefinder cameras to go to. FUJI, NIKON, OLY, CANON all made rangefinders in the past, if Samsung did it would just be a Frankenstein of what they THINK a rangfinder is like.

ok a bit of education on OLED. OLED doesn't have a life line, hens why you don't find it in many systems yet (even tvs) so it could die in 1 year or 10 years no body knows. OLED also gives you higher contrast then you are going to receive in the final image because OLED pixels turn off to get their blacks which isnt needed in EVF just on LCD Screens to impact surrounding light.

If you read any review on the NX30 taht is currently out you will hear how great the VF and LCD is, you don't need and its actually a bad thing to have OLED in the EVF

Anyway why dont you just buy the a6000 or a T1 they are great camera

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

I think it's safe to say that there's Samsung tech in other products.

Don't see what the complaints are about the high ISO performance of the NX300.

Then the EVFs in the NX30 and Galaxy NX are excellent.

Too bad about Sony Nex lenses and Fuji X video, including that from the X-T1.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

howaboutraw: have you tried the EVF of Fuji X-T1 or sony A7? Those are excellent. Huge and w/o rainbow effects, like the one in NX30 has. Please try those and then we'll see if you still think that NX30 has an "excellent EVF".

Andres: to you as well, I say that EVF in NX30 has rainbow effects and is small compared to X-T1 or A7. I'm not buying into other systems (for now) since I still have many NX lenses, which are the good part of the NX system, so I'm hanging up there for at least one more year to see if samsung can do some decent body. Otherwise, I'll happily switch to one of those other two (which imo are now much much better, body wise).

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

They arnt 'much' better but agreed they are definitely a step ahead, it seems to me Samsung are being the turtle and playing it slow and steady which may be a smart thing but we'l just have to wait and see. Remember the NX1 is still coming later this year who knows what that will bring to the table

But like i said i HIGHLY doubt Samsung will ever produce a Rangefinder style camera for the reasons i stated above Fuji are the best option atm imo although they make switching to them hard as each lens is like $1000000000000000000

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pixelpushing
By pixelpushing (4 months ago)

Notice when Tecno is made to cite data based examples of how terrible NX products are vs. same price/niche competition, he cannot.

How's that neverending anti-Samsung crusade going for you, man? Tilted any windmills, lately? Of course, it's perfectly natural to call up $450 NX300 (KIT) vs $1500 X-T1 (BODY ONLY) comparisons in an NX1 comment thread.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

tecnoworld:

Yes, I've tried the EVF on both the Sony A7 (months ago) and the Fuji XT1, they're not significantly better than that on the NX30. (I've noted no rainbow effect on the NX30.)

The LCD based EVF on the NX20 was also excellent.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (4 months ago)

What's wrong with a sequential viewfinder? The contrast, clarity and colour reproduction is great and colour tearing is no worse than popular DLP projectors.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

In fact I can't use a dlp projector :-) it gives me headache.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

tecnoworld used to be a Samsung fan, now he finally sees the light.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

@peevee1 we are discussing product to product and possible future products not brand to brand.

We all get you dont like Samsung even if they brought out the D4s you would come on their reviews and troll them 30 times in the comments.

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cyco2
By cyco2 (4 months ago)

Tecno is right for the size of the EVF of XT-1 - is really huge!
But Tecno, I'm really really sorry for you... I tried XT-1 in a shop and its not so sharp as EVF of NX30 (which makes sense since they have the same resolution but the size is different).
AND EVF of XT-1 showed rainbow effects on the white slick wall. To be fair it was under "shop light"conditions - but NX30 didn't shows this effect...

I think. You have very specific problems with your eyes/brain. But why Samsung should change technology for just a few people? Especially when this technique offers a lot of advantages...
An owner from a german forum mentioned about bad noise in the EVF under low light conditions...

Last but not least: If you have Problems with Samsung Bodys - just switch - maybe i will take your 10mm.

@all:
strangest thing between ILCs and DSLRs:
DSLRs Crowd says: - there is nothing about good lenses. I dont care that I'm not Using the best body.
ILC Crowd: I REALY REALY NEED BEST BODY OF ALL BRANDS

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

cyco2: I recognize that the problem is with my eyes. Indeed, I can recognize a DLP projector, even if of the latest gen, after few seconds I watch at it. But there are some EVFs that don't give me that effect, and the ones from Fuji (X-T1 and X-E2) and from Sony (A7 and A7R) are among those. Both the ones from NX20 and NX30 give me a big rainbow effect even on still subjects, provided they are bright enough.

For sure I'll switch brand. Not now, since I want to squeeze my nx300 until there is life in it, but I won't stay with NX for long, since the other brands are moving (much faster) in a direction that I like best (fast AF, better IQ, better body shape, better EVF, all IMO of course).

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

tecnoworld:

Assuming you use the best Samsung lenses on that NX300 and shoot raw, which other APSC mirrorless bodies have better image quality? (Perhaps the Fuji X T1 with the best Fuji lenses I guess--but here the best Samsung lenses have greater colour
subtlety than any Fuji lens I've ever seen.)

Just to be clear, the NX300's kit zoom isn't great. And yes the Fuji system does excellent image quality.

I've not used the latest Sony APSC mirrorless, but Sony suffers from lens problems.

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photoreddi
By photoreddi (4 months ago)

Your table shows Max burst rates of 6, 5 and 15 fps for the NX Mini, GM1 and J3. The J3 though has a higher burst rate of 60 fps with the limitation of not refocusing between shots. So do the NX Mini and/or GM1 also have higher max "non-focusing" burst rates? Since the press release and specifications only mention "6fps Continuous", it's probably reasonable to conclude that this is its actual maximum frame rate, but it's not reasonable to conclude from the table that the J3's maximum frame rate is 15 fps when it's actually several times faster than this.

Both types (refocusing and non-refocusing) have value depending on which is more useful for the situation, and it would have been more useful to your audience to have listed both types of maximum frame rates.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

Actually through some other sources we have been hearing 22 fps for the NX mini (that's probably focusing once). 6 fps continuous is a new number for me to hear, sounds pretty decent though.

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photoreddi
By photoreddi (4 months ago)

I don't know whether it's better to say probably or possibly, but if it does do 22 fps it may also be at reduced resolution. If it does shoot that quickly (whether it's at a reduced resolution or not) it should have been mentioned in the press release.

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

Considering the amount of time that has passed without further news, it probably doesn't do 22 fps. In reduced resolution it can do up to 30 fps (5 MB), like the NX300. I wonder what the non continuous rate will be though, maybe it will also be 6 as you say though.

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jorg14
By jorg14 (4 months ago)

Am I missing something here?
The Sony RX 100 ll doesn't have an interchangeable lens, but doesn't need it. It's 28 - 100 covers almost the same range. It's f/1.8 vs 1.7 is hardly a big difference. It has the same sensor. Is has the 'flippy' screen. Its actually smaller considering the two lenses. It's cheaper if you figure the extra lens cost, and it's user interface is better.
So you want to pay more for a heavier camera (camera + two lenses), want to change lenses, and have a harder to use interface, then buy the new Samsung?

BTW, I've had Samsung cameras in the past and they've been great, so I'm not knocking the brand.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

I bet it also has better JPEG engine - the one from Samsung is the worst in the industry.

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AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

Not all the cameras have to be designed in the same way you want. Sony RX100 is good for you, but Samsung NX mini is good for others.

Samsung is cheaper and has lots of flexibility. Only thing I wish Samsung may have included is Stereo mic.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

Im sorry but you are completely wrong when it comes to the interface Samsungs is probably the easiest on the market and SONYs is probably the most complicated.

RX100 has no flexibility and you have to upgrade every time a new one comes out instead of investing in lenses that has always been the advantage of Interchangeable lens cameras. the NX Mini will get better with age where the RX100 is what it is thats it.

+ when you have a camera that you can change lenses you can make it your own, for eg. i would sacrifice zoom for a fixed portrait lens

+ the Samsungs WIFI implementation is by far the best on the market

+ the NX mini is actually lighter at 194g without a lens the RX100 MII is 281g (i doubt the lens weighs 100g)

your right the RX100 doesn't need interchangeable lenses but maybe the user does

You seem to be missing a lot

dont get me wrong i love the RX100 but the NX mini like the Nikon 1 is completely different Market and has definite advantages over the RX100

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (4 months ago)

The big problem with the RX100 is that it turns many owners into tremendous bores who try to sell the camera by churning out the same old facts to everyone else whenever any other new camera of any type comes out.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

jorg14:

Most zoom lenses, in particular the one on the RX100, let less and less light in the more they're zoomed out. This is a particular draw back of the Sony.

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pixelpushing
By pixelpushing (4 months ago)

Before you say the Mk2 doesn't need an IL system, check out the corner distortion and clarity. I got rid of mine due to that. There's only so much you can do with an all-in-one retracting zoom lens.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (4 months ago)

"Most zoom lenses, in particular the one on the RX100, let less and less light in the more they're zoomed out. This is a particular draw back of the Sony."

... and the fact that it only starts at 28mm...

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Samsung is cheaper and has lots of flexibility."

Actually, NX mini with 9-27/3.5-5.6 is more expensive than RX100 with 10-37/1.8-4.9, which can be had for about $500 now. 2 extra stops of light, more controls, more reach and more compact for $50 less. Only a total moron would choose NX mini.

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

i want to put a nice portrait lens on my RX100.... oh wait.

I want to Put a wide angle on my RX100.... oh wait

I want to put a tele on my RX100.... oh wait

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jorg14
By jorg14 (4 months ago)

Am I missing something here?
The Sony RX 100 ll doesn't have an interchangeable lens, but doesn't need it. It's 28 - 100 covers almost the same range. It's f/1.8 vs 1.7 is hardly a big difference. It has the same sensor. Is has the 'flippy' screen. Its actually smaller considering the two lenses. It's cheaper if you figure the extra lens cost. You don't have to change lenses, and it's user interface is better.
So if you want to pay more for a heavier camera (camera + two lenses), want to change lenses, and have a harder to use interface, then get the new Samsung?

BTW, I've had Samsung cameras in the past and they've been great, so I'm not knocking the brand.

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (4 months ago)

Can the screen flip 180? Is the Sony f/1.8 at 45mm? Will it be able to mount telephoto/superzooms/fisheyes/macros lens etc. in the future? Can it go wider than 28mm?

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Jogger
By Jogger (4 months ago)

@stray ... hahaa.. if you want it to do all of that it will certainly cost more than the RX100 and you certainly will not be able to fit in your jean pocket.
most people who want a pocket camera shoot in the 24-50mm range and they zoom by moving in.. their subjects consist of food, people, and pets.

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mosc
By mosc (4 months ago)

do people serious want a telezoom on a camera this small? I mean why not just carry around a separate body for your 1 pound lens?

I wish camera makers would wake up and smell the manure. Cell phones are starting to pack 1/2.3" sensors and fast lenses. Digital zoom is perfectly reasonable for folks who never look at more than 2mp at a time and post processing might as well be words from a different language. This belief that changing lenses is a feature on a camera for the fun of it has got to die!

Compacts that make sense in the cell phone era have got to deliver in conditions where cell phones cannot: Low light, action, and true wide angle.

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AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

Then Samsung NX mini is designed perfectly. Sony has redundant tele-zoom (100mm)

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

@Jogger Maybe he doesnt want to do all of those things, maybe just one of those things, at least a small interchangeable lens camera gives you the option??

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

PLEASE SAMSUNG MARKET THIS WELL!! This seems like a great little pocket camera, it has a clear aimed market and has smart pricing.

This is Bloggers, Instagramers, Facebookers, Hipsters and Twitterers dream pocket camera but also i believe great for young families to

Very Slim (poketable)
Great Design
MUCH better Quality the phones or CCs
Instant access through the best camera wifi system
Selphie Machine!!!!!

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Frank C.
By Frank C. (4 months ago)

why not just use your phone for all that? why carry around two things? pointless

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AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

urm pointless you commenting if you obviously didn't read the whole of my comment as it clearly says 'MUCH better Quality then phones or CCs'.

I like getting great quality photos even from my snapshots and i don't mind carrying a camera with me (hens im commenting on a photography website) i have more then 1 pocket.

you stick with your phone il have the NXMini and lest see who comes out with beter shots and more likes

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AP7
By AP7 (4 months ago)

Real winner!

Flash sync is 1/200sec as compared to Nikon's 1/60sec. Nikon is useless in fill flash situations. It has also more powerful flash than Sony, Panasonic and Nikon.

Go ahead Samsung! Good luck!

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Jogger
By Jogger (4 months ago)

I've always said that interchangeable cameras with smaller than APSc sensors make no sense. Might as well get an RX100.

6 upvotes
AndreSJ
By AndreSJ (4 months ago)

RX100 has no flexibility and you have to upgrade every time you need a new one comes out instead of investing in lenses.

1" sensors mean you can get much smaller cameras

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Everlast66
By Everlast66 (4 months ago)

2-3 years after the launch of RX100 there are still no smaller 1" sensor cameras than the RX100. RX100 is a bit slow at the long en, but apart from this it covers all other needs. Name at leas one smaller and more flexible camera!

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ttbek
By ttbek (4 months ago)

Actually with the 9 mm the NX is smaller: http://camerasize.com/compact/#545.414,467,ha,t
And it is more flexible because you will be able to use not only the 3 lenses for it, but also all the current NX lenses via an adapter. Of course that makes it larger overall, but that's how flexibility goes.

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technic
By technic (4 months ago)

"Name at leas one smaller and more flexible camera!"

that does depend on what one considers 'flexible'. If you need 24mm wide, or a better aperture at tele than f/4.9, the RX100 isn't flexible at all...

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papa natas
By papa natas (4 months ago)

Well, I just went & see the 3 new promo videos of this camera on Youtube.
Young upbeat music,
rich, cookie grown up children (sons & daughters of Mother Consumerism)
Shooting selfies and to each other.
Facebook material.
So, why the large sensor and the interchangeable lenses for such a banal task?
Iphone or android are vastly sufficient.
Yeah, I see those sticky fingers changing lenses at the sushi bar..

9 upvotes
Red5TX
By Red5TX (4 months ago)

Interesting post on a gear review site. Mother Consumerism: Thy name is DP Review.

1 upvote
straylightrun
By straylightrun (4 months ago)

why the negativity to today's youth?

"papa natas"

oohhh, that explains it

0 upvotes
papa natas
By papa natas (4 months ago)

Some call me Papi...
"dame mas, Papi.."
"asi me gusta, Papi..."

0 upvotes
CarVac
By CarVac (4 months ago)

I could see this as a move into an interchangeable mount that in the future would sensibly fit in an actual smartphone. If you think about it that way, it's not so unreasonable.

3 upvotes
papa natas
By papa natas (4 months ago)

Yes, I agree, nevertheless I wasn't thinking of unreasonable: neither the camera nor the customers. It's because of the advanced technical data of the camera I was expecting a little more semi pro dedicated ad.
You are right about the future of smart phones: the future is here.
My niece asked not to give her a wrist watch for her graduation. Why to carry that thing that ONLY tells time & date?
She asked me to wait for the new iphone 6, pleeease...

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Fixx
By Fixx (4 months ago)

papa natas, see http://moto360.motorola.com/

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"It's because of the advanced technical data of the camera"

Huh? It does not have a single dial. Point-and-shoot at its worst.

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papa natas
By papa natas (4 months ago)

To Fixx:
I WANT ONE!!!!

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papa natas
By papa natas (4 months ago)

To peevee1:
I meant that it comes with RAW, and the 1" sensor.
Better facebook shots?

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (4 months ago)

The Nikon 1 as launched was ridiculous, it took Sony's RX100/100II/10 to make the 1" sensor show its value, when made right and put in great worthy bodies. It's good to see Nikon has reacted well and is getting it's act together now, in spite of a still ridiculous price. I hope this Samsung is just the first iteration of others to come, it shows a very nicely simple concept.

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Reinhard136
By Reinhard136 (4 months ago)

Just checked camera size.com, it is only about 10 % bigger than a Pana GM1 (and thinner -if no lens) , the sensor is only about 30% smaller, maybe one day they will have as many as 1/3 as many lenses , and the spec sheet is wrong it actually does have a flash too (albeit tiny) ........ please fit a phone and make it worth buying.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Why is it not worth buying?

Also did Panasonic/Oly start their systems with a dozen lenses?

Lets avoid the [smart]phone and a bloated OS, like the Galaxy NX from Samsung.

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Rehabdoc
By Rehabdoc (4 months ago)

Body style and flip screen are much nicer than the Nikon 1.
20MP vs 14MP
Price is closer to J3 than V3.
Takes $150 NX mount adapter with full function so you can put a $250, OIS 50-200 on it for 135-540 equivalent.

Most important questions:
(1) how fast is the AF? CDAF
(2) how good is the mid ISO performance compared to RX10/100 or Nikon 1?
(3) how is the video (specs aren't great but what about the quality?)
(4) how sharp are those new lenses, esp the kit?

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SHood
By SHood (4 months ago)

Samsung video has never been that good, so expect it to be less quality than Nikon1, Panasonic and Sony.

According to IR hands on, it is CDAF only and can do 6fps for 10 shots. So no where near Nikon 1 territory.

Here is what Dpreview had to say in their summary.

"They (Nikon 1) also offer extremely fast AF and full frame 15 fps burst shooting, and the NX isn't positioned to keep up in either of those ways"

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

Samsung caf is usually subpar. Nx30 has much a slower caf compared to lower priced a6000. So I guess this camera will have slow caf compared to nikon, but we'll see,

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

SHood:

Except the video on the new NX30 is excellent.

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Jokica
By Jokica (4 months ago)

If Samsung is my company, I would buy Pentax along with Ricoh.

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Matt1645f4
By Matt1645f4 (4 months ago)

Why?

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Prognathous
By Prognathous (4 months ago)

ermm... what?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Jokica:

Perhaps Samsung wants to do its own lens, body and sensor development. Samsung lenses are many times excellent and sometimes extraordinary. And the APSC sensors are excellent.

Does Pentax/Ricoh make sensors?

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Jokica
By Jokica (4 months ago)

Exactly. Pentax/Ricoh don`t have what Samsung have (consumer electronics giant, cell phone giant, LCD, resources, etc). Samsung don`t have what Pentax/Ricoh have: Good photo brand, legacy, army of loyal users, etc. Ricoh copy machines and other products will came as bonus to Samsung.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Jokica:

Even the best Pentax and Ricoh lenses can't touch the best Samsung lenses. So Samsung is vastly ahead in lenses (mirrorless) already. And sensors.

Bet Samsung already makes photocopiers.

Samsung already had a partnership with Pentax, and it didn't go far+Samsung did better image quality with the same sensors.

Right, Pentax has some loyal users with old lenses. But be honest, 20 years ago did you think of Samsung as a TV maker?

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drummercam
By drummercam (4 months ago)

"Even the best Pentax and Ricoh lenses can't touch the best Samsung lenses."
I'm afraid that is, at best, merely comical.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

drummercam:

The best Samsung NX lens, the 85mm f/1.4, is the equal of very good Zeiss and Leica lenses, not the best Zeiss and Leicas.

Pentax-Ricoh's best lenses are a joke compared to just good Zeiss and Leica lenses, therefore...

So clearly, you're both not familiar with excellent optics and also not familiar with Samsung NX lenses.

Samsung also has some other very good lenses, like the f/2.0 30mm, the f/1.8 45mm, and likely the new fast small zoom. The big zoom aint very good.

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ZAnton
By ZAnton (4 months ago)

Samsung... good in a digital technologies, but total loosers in optics.

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (4 months ago)

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (4 months ago)

Seriously...they makes some really good NX lenses.

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Rehabdoc
By Rehabdoc (4 months ago)

Optics are good.

Bodies are a mixed bag in my opinion, but there is a lot to praise. Just not quite photographer friendly enough to make a huge bang pioneering a new mirrorless format in the face of Sony's offerings to date in the similar time frame.

But its still early in the game and Samsung will eventually catch up or surpass. They almost always do. Both seem to recognize that traditional photography is changing a lot with technological revolutions. Samsung seems to be placing the most emphasis on nailing down connectivity, while Sony seems to be hammering away at absolute top sensor IQ/size ratios. We'll see how the long race plays out. Sony seems to have big (and deserved) profitability now, while Samsung can afford to do the Microsoft approach of throwing money and reiterations until they get it right someday.

Samsung would look more successful and innovative if sony hadn't done so well thus far.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

Rehabdoc:

Sony "top sensor", um good yes.

But challenged by Nikon/Renesas, Toshiba, Aptina, Panasonic and irony Samsung--there are probably others.

The good Samsung NX lenses are a bit more than simply good; the best are only surpassed by the best Leica and Zeiss lenses--and not by much. (Technically, Optron is the Samsung lens maker.)

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Hannu Liivaar
By Hannu Liivaar (4 months ago)

ZAnton - you should consider re-investigating your opinion about optics, try the NX primes which are really sweet lens.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

I'd rather say the opposite. The optics are really good, but the bodies are vastly surpassed by competitors like Sony and Fuji, at least for the most interesting functions (AF speed, CAF, EVF, body style, IQ at high iso, DR).

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peevee1
By peevee1 (4 months ago)

"Seriously...they makes some really good NX lenses."

Actually, Samsung does not make NX lenses. They are made by a little Korean company called Optron-tec.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (4 months ago)

peevee1:

Absolutely, and when other camera manufacturers start putting Optron lenses into their systems the optics will improve, while now in 2014, it's safe to call Optron lenses Samsung lenses.

Clearly some party at Optron/Samsung knows something about optical design and even the best lens manufacturers (German) should be very concerned by the optical quality of the best SamOpt lenses.

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Shurato
By Shurato (4 months ago)

Ok, that's it!!
/Finally/ a worthy successor for the Fujifilm FinePix F31fd, at least from the quick looks of it.
As I was once asking in this thread here:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51842826
Especially regarding battery life, that is something I truly appreciate on my F31fd.
Only thing to wish/hope is that there is no slow battery drainage whilst the camera is off and stored away; works perfectly with the F31fd, I put it away for couple of months, then I can use it again where the battery capacity left off. Most modern camera seem to have some kind of hidden voltage consumption even when the camera is off, only thing is to take out the battery.

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Artistico
By Artistico (4 months ago)

I used to have the F30, which was pretty much the same camera as the F31fd. I think it was way ahead of its time, and still most digital compacts can't really compete with it. I still think the F31fd will be a better camera than this, though. Better ergonomics, smaller as there is no protruding lens, smaller files that actually have the resolution of the sensor when the bloated 20MP 1" sensors only resolve about 8-10 megapixels in ideal conditions.

I sometimes wish I'd bought a few extra f31s when they cleared them out in photo shops. They could be sold for almost double that on eBay a few months later, and I would have liked to have kept a few for myself too.

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Glen Barrington
By Glen Barrington (4 months ago)

I have no interest in this camera. You've heard all the objections before, too much trouble to write them again.

2 upvotes
straylightrun
By straylightrun (4 months ago)

cool story bro. tell me more about your life.

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Wally Brooks
By Wally Brooks (4 months ago)

Looks good and it's half the cost of a Nikon V3.. Maybe Samsung can come up with a built in EVF version and I will dump my v1 and switch to Samsung.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (4 months ago)

If so, it'll have a dslr plasticky bulky shape...samsung does not believe in rangefinder style :-) only ugly cameras with evf, not stylish ones :-)

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TomasJacko
By TomasJacko (4 months ago)

Interesting review of an interesting camera...

But guys, it seems to have slipped your mind, today again, to put online your review of Canon 1DX.

Such absent-mindedness must be annoying also in ordinary life, am I right?

Really, do think of it tomorrow, ok? It's just one click..

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Rehabdoc
By Rehabdoc (4 months ago)

Its just a press release combined with a short preview. Putting these out takes no effort. Actual reviews of cameras are entirely different and take serious time and work using the camera.

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TomasJacko
By TomasJacko (4 months ago)

Serious time? Like what, two years? No, I'm sure they have it ready, they just forgot to put it up today, with all the work they have with news about memory cards and such.

Tomorrow they'll certainly upload it, I mean, why wouldn't they?

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bzanchet
By bzanchet (4 months ago)

Another great inovation!

The 1" sensor killed the 1/1.7"...

I love the IQ/Pocketability of the 1" sensor cameras.

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aradilon
By aradilon (4 months ago)

I Like it and for one thing: the kitlens is so small! Most brands that make these tiny interchangeable-lens camera include a "huge" kitlens and that means u can't put it in your pocket with the kitlens attached so u need to buy a new lens to do this.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (4 months ago)

Just don't forget it isn't stabilized and is only f/3.5. Otherwise, it'd indeed be EVRY tempting, particularly because it's 24mm (my preferred FoV).

4 upvotes
aradilon
By aradilon (4 months ago)

On my Nikon D7000 i have only 1 VR lens and i never use it so i know what i can do with a non-VR lens and with 24mm i never had the need for much stabilisation.

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