Pentax MX-1 hands-on preview: Digital Photography Review

Might be our next Passport camera :o

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I like the far corners if the MX the best !

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just a casual look at the comparison in RAW with the coin on the bottle
to me
LX7 is the clearest whether this is because of lens or processing I don't know

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Why didn't they put at least an electronic hotshoe for crying out loud, seriously, it's a fatal omission, and you can see theres plenty of room for one, it's a pretty cool camera,,,,,,,,sigh.
I would have bought this cam otherwise for a pocket rocket etc. But got to have evf/ovf when needed.

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So, Simon, I gather you're finding Seattle and it's netherlands a tad different than London and it's outlaying areas :) I'm referring to the snowshoeing pics :D

And, cool pics, no pun intended :)

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The day Simon goes snowshoeing, I'll eat my icepick.

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Well, ya never know, Mr. Britton, perhaps, Simon will indulge and bring along some appropriate condiments ;)

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It may be a fine compact camera but surely it's a stupid idea to call it MX.
The original MX had one of the best SLR viewfinders ever made and while I'm quite happy with the recent trend of "retro" designs this one does not deserve its name. If Pentax has no better use for such an illustrious piece of their legacy, they should let it rest in peace...

Olympus is making much better use of their iconic names.

(I am a Pentax user by the way)

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Ah Boris, it's an MX-1 ;) and love my MX's ... although not used for a number of years and, truth be told, I like the idea of reusing some of the plasts from the past :)

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Yes, they've started counting, that makes it even worse. They'll ruin the name forever!
I would love it if Pentax would built a line of "retro" cameras... but when I say cameras I don't mean point-and-shoots.
If they use all their venerable old names for point-and-shoots they rob themselfs of the chance to use them to sell real cameras.

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Yet another viewfinder-less box (without even an optional over-priced EVF) for people who like to stand around waving a camera at arms' length. It can't be long, surely, before phones have completely displaced these things in this market sector.

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Bend your elbows.

The camera is no longer at arms' length.

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You must be a LOT younger than I am to say that!

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I really wish people would stop with this "waving a camera at arm's length" non-sense. Bend your freakin' elbows, just like countless millions of people have been successfully doing with their rear-LCD digicam cameras all around the world.

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Impressed by the quality of the photos and very nice looking body - I hope it will be successful. These retro inspired compact cameras by Pentax, Fuji et al really are special, not sure which one to choose, but this would definitely be worth a try.

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Beautiful and knowing what Pentax can pull out of a sensor - Classic.

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Absolutely beautiful!

I think all modern DSLR look like black plastic blobs, very much unlike the early elegant SLR designs.

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If this thing could record 1080P 50/60fps video and had one more control dial, it would be perfect. So I had to get an NEX 5R instead. Always liked Pentax handling since my K10D and wanted a pocketable camera, but need full frame rate video for my needs. MX-2?

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Newest Sony sensor, great zuiko lens (FEDman from prohardver says it's ordered from olympus, the same as in xz-2 and xz-1) and time lapse mode with 1/4000 shutter speed, all I can say is wow. The jpegs on photographyblog are very pleasing. Can't wait to see more.

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Given the size, weight and price of the MX-1, a hot shoe and external EVF option should have been included.
This is much larger than the Canon S series and the Sony RX where their is a size reason for not including a hot shoe and an EVF option.
No excuse for these omissions on the Pentax MX -1.
The smaller and cheaper Olympus ZX 10 lacks both, but it is smaller and cheaper.
This Pentax will fall between the cracks.
If you are going into the non pocketable grouping, the Fuji X 20 with a hot shoe with a built in EVF that has loads of information shown in the EVF and that had an extremely fast AF and an even larger sensor would be the way to go.
The Fuji X 20 even weighs significantly less than the Pentax.
If you want pocketable, this camera is too big and heavy and the Canon S and Sony RX are your choices.

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Too "big and heavy" for what? The MX-1 is 122 mm wide, only slightly more than the X20, but it's much shorter.

X20 353 gr
MX-1 391 gr

MX-1 vs X20 Size comparison

http://camerasize.com/compare/#396,404

The X20 is much taller, and the lens protrudes more. The X20 has a VF, but the MX-1 has the extremely useful tiltable LCD, a feature that the G15 removed, much to the chagrin of G-series fans.

IQ wise, the MX-1 scored better than the S110 and G15 on DxOMark, the same as the XZ-2. It has the best high ISO ability of any 1/1.7" sensor camera, only slightly worse performance in low-light than the excellent X10, which is superb for this class of camera.

You seem be having a hard time understanding why people are interested in the MX-1. I'm not sure why, but at least get your facts straight.

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I think it's endearing that the XZ-2 is shown as size comparison but not in the list of sensor size/focal length etc.

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Since they share the Sony 1/1.7" sensor, and a similar (or identical) lens, the MX-1 and XZ-2 focal lengths, aperture ranges, DOF equivalents, etc., will be the same.

Both nice cameras, but i much prefer to design of the MX-1 and don't see myself putting an external EVF on a compact.

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I always enjoyed using my Pentax SLRs and this seems to be a very nice camera; but, I wish it had, at least, the option of a VF like the XZ-2. I've yet to see an LCD that worked well in the sunlight (the tilting LCD helps maybe) ... It also seemed strange that the review compared this camera to the XZ-2 but didn't include that camera in its table ???

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You know, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I just think the price needs to settle. Maybe I can get it for $300 next Christmas on sale.

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Just saw some full-size MX-1 sample jpeg and raw and they look fantastic. The f1.8-2.5 zoom seems to be extremely sharp, and files, particularly at low to mid ISOs look terrific. Sharp, detailed, with good colors.

MX-1 Full-size sample images (see link below)

http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/pentax-mx-1-analisis-fotos-video,1_9433

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Nice website. Muchisimas gracias.

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Like many others I cut my teeth on a Pentax slr in my teens, so its always good to see the brand still plugging away, no matter who owns it. :-D

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Well - its BACK TO THE FUTURE - OM1 (now OM-D) MX (now MX-1) good luck to Pentax for 2013 - I look forward to the ME Super -1 and the FULL FRAME LX- 1 !!

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Thought I never reach to see it. Two years ago I posted a request more like a wish to Pentax and ex-owner Hoya for a retro camera series ( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/36628247 ) and now it's finally here ! The mirror less design finally allows it ! Thank you Pentax and now also to Ricoh for making this come true ! Looking forward to Pentax LX-1 !

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What is it about the brassing through the black paint that looks so good?
A well used pro journo quality - nice.

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The brassing does look cool. The only thing is that film cameras like the Nikon FE or Pentax 67 that show wear marks on the top plate are many years old, whereas the typical digital camera has a much shorter lifespan because sensor performance is always improving. So I don't know if any MX-1 buyers will actually use the camera long enough for it to get that well used look with paint worn off.

Very nice looking camera though that will likely perform great.

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totally agree with you marike6. the digital cameras of today are toys...expensive ones too! and the sensor performance is not improving as camera manufacturers would like us to believe...its the ancillaries around it that are being improved...software and interfaces etc. and it is more profitable for companies to keep churning out newer cameras than offer software upgrades to the older ones...

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@sattva I'm glad you agree with me, but I never said any of that. I meant that digital camera have a much shorter life than film cameras so how do we get our MX-1 to show brassing?

I think that digital camera technology and sensors have improved to incredible levels so it is now possible for amateurs to have the exact same tools that pros have to achieve unprecedented IQ at prices that are the lowest they've ever been. I never said anything about toys, and don't believe that's true AT ALL.

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Beautifully simple and knowing Pentax it will shoot the same way.
They seem to get more out of a sensor than anyone else.

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Not half bad. Show me the samples.

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Yawn. Sorry, what?..yeah looks great...snore...

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Though I am a Nikon user for more than three decades, I love this camera because of its simplicity in every respect and a high-class professional look. Wish this camera will be a great super hit all over the world.

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That camera has very good specification realy , i wonder its performance in a dark room for iso successfulity ...

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I really like this new MX-1. I'm in the market for a high end P&S, and I'll either get this camera, the X20, or possibly the XZ2. When I saw the images of the paint worn off, and the brass showing through it reminded my of my Pentax 67. Nice. If IQ is as good as the XZ-2 or G15 it will suit me just fine. The X20 is my top choice, but I keep coming back to this camera.

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Looks like a great camera to me. Seems to have a aura of desirability to my eyes. Sometimes you just have to own something that looks right, or is different from the norm, if you can combine both, all the better.
Pentax is an icon, Sony and Canon are not.

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Love the look! I love the idea of a camera made to wear**

Judging on how Pentax many to coax a decent quality out of the q10, I think it'll be good enough for me to bring everyday.

It would have been cool if they had the assignable lens ring but I guess they want to make sure the camera can be worked one-handed, which is great too!

Meh, the lack of external flash shoe doesn't worry me, I can always get a cheap Yong Nuo flash and use the flash trigger or even better get a hammer head camera flash and use it with that.

I'll be getting it for sure.

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Pentax is recycling names from its glorious past, but whether its current products will live up to those famous names depends on their feature set. The MX was a great camera that was better than the Olympus OM-1. It was smaller and yet more solidly built. Unfortunately, the new MX-1 does not seem to be competitive. It has a smaller sensor than its competitors, and that could be fatal. Looks like Pentax is blind to the recent trend of bigger sensors in new cameras. It is trying to minimize manufacturing cost while trying to convince users it has a superior product. I believe that is simply penny wise and pound foolish.

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My film MX is wincing in its case.....

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Well if they going to name it MX at least viewfinder would be nice........

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There's definitely hints of Ricoh on this camera. The power button lights up in green!

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There are cameras that exist to meet a need, then there are cameras exist to inspire process of photography. This camera is more of a latter than the former, unlike RX100. Sure, with 1inch sensor would make it better, but it's too early, wait till 2014-2015.

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The camera's placement of controls reminds me of Olympus OM-D E-M5 and even E-5. Record button on top, compensation dial, wheel on back, and direction controls on back instead of wheel. I like it.

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There is one more feature that was left out compared to the XZ2: The plug for the electronic viewfinder. I got one for my XZ1 and having the possibility to attach it to a camera that is still very pocketable (without it), is really a nice option.

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Wow, the RX100 still seems like the best camera of this class. They should have included the RX1 to the sensor chart, just for laughs.

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The RX100 definitely has the best sensor of this class, but with no VF, hot-shoe, slow f4.9 max aperture at full telephoto, less hard buttons than some other enthusiast compacts, I'm not sure it's the best camera.

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When you're a late entrant into this space, you'd better be offering something better than what is out there, or you're just inconsequential.
Yet another 1/1.7" sensor... good grief! Fuji has been offering a 2/3" for years now, and Sony just came out with 1"... it's about time this category left the smaller sensors behind.

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I hope not!
A small sensor with a bright lens is an excellent combination that is hard to beat in terms of size and quality.

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It is amazingly boring how people (like you) can just read the specs of a sensor side and pass judgement. These are different technologies, and they are not made by the same manufacturer. There are variants here. You also get a faster lens.

Same story with the Q yet the Q does *way better* than many people like you who just read a paper sensor spec size expect.

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You wish!

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my pentax Q with 1/2.3" sensor (released 2011) produces much better image quality than my new Lumix LX7 with 1/1.7" sensor (released 2012). so I personally optimistic about this new MX-1 (maybe better than 1" sensor Sony RX-100?). stop thinking bigger is better. it is the technology that matters, not the size.

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Looks time-tested -- classic, proven 1958 body design.

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It sure is pretty and I have this feeling will shoot very well!

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General consensus seems to be:

If it's a Pentax, shoot it down. I really don't get the mindset of some people.

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If Pentax were to make the exact same cameras as Canon, Nikon, Sony, on one would buy them. They have to be different.

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I shoot some of the "after ricoh purchased pentax" cameras down without hesitation but this one does deserve respect, but i feel often that ricohs design choices for example the newer dslrs, the "pentax wtf is its name again thats supposed to compete against the micro four thirds" and the mark whatever "artistic mirrorless" all deserved to go down in flames, i used to own the k10dnand k20d and those had a great look imo.

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It is about the same body size as a Nikon D series APS-C SLR- only the lens stops them being pocketable, but the IQ will be garbage in comparison. Do we hate our wives and children this much that we buy them these baubles, this bling, these trinkets??!!
They now ALL only last 10 years max as to cheat the rich guys with their full-frame machines and lenses these products are being made with lead-free solder that degrades growing whiskers that short-circuit everything. Irrepairable too.
Your CHOICE??

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Uh, any SLR is going to be at least almost twice as thick as a compact....

besides, modern small-sensor cameras are getting better than some technology buffs thought they would be.

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Egad , these commom cameras sound absolutely ghastly and not even good enough for the memsahib and children. Fare makes you swoon. Pass me the smelling salts. These rich chaps have probably made their money in trade and are not true gentlemen. Degrades your growing whiskers as well, sounds utterly appalling if a chap cannot grow his moustaches to a point.

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Alizarine i think that olympus might disagree with you, a film slr brings better quality and can be just as pocketable with the right lens and slr body.

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OMG, it is a camera!
For a second I mistook it for an Iphone rear sticker...

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At the bottom of the back wheel on the right, there is a remote controler port?. Am I wrong?

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Page 5 seems to suggest it.

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What kind of pictures does this camera take? Good? Bad? :)

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What kind of photographer does this camera require? Good or bad?

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You tell me.

I await your devastating reply.

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when 1/2.3" sensor on Q outperform most of 1/1.7 " camera (near to sensor 2/3" on X10), can mx-1 macth fuji x20 with sensor 2/3"? http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/733%7C0/(brand)/Nikon/(appareil2)/722%7C0/(brand2)/Pentax/(appareil3)/683%7C0/(brand3)/Panasonic

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The 1/2.3" BSI CMOS sensor is pretty recent, the 1/1.7" CCD in the Nikon is three years older.

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Why do you believe DXO values?
My experience is that they are pretty useless.

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Three things this camera (or one a little bigger maybe) should have: 1" sensor, CX lens mount and a hot shoe. Actually just the hot shoe seems like a necessity in this market. I know, no way will there be a CX mount on a Pentax. LOL

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No it should not have a CX mount with a bigger sensor, cause then it would be too large.

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