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Pentax MX-1 hands-on preview

January 2013 | By Shawn Barnett


Preview based on a pre-production Pentax MX-1

With a rich history in camera design, it seems fair that Pentax would seek to recapture the two-tone camera designs of the last century with its MX-1 enthusiast compact. A metal top and bottom and a leather-like band around the middle provide a gripable surface as well as a classic look. Thanks to the painted brass top and bottom plates, we're told users will enjoy that old tendency toward 'brassing' exhibited in well-used vintage cameras as the MX-1 accumulates wear. We haven't yet bashed the Pentax MX-1 around enough to test this feature, but there's still time.

Following the near extinction of the standard pocket digital camera in the wake of the smartphone juggernaut, camera manufacturers are aiming more squarely at the enthusiast market, and the MX-1 is a clear sign that Pentax considers it an important segment to serve. Dominated largely by cameras like the Panasonic LX7 and Canon Powershot S100, and more recently by the Sony Cyber-Shot RX-100, the enthusiast pocket camera market consists of cameras with larger sensors, premium lenses, raw capture and a bias toward manual controls and modes, in addition to the usual auto and semi-auto modes.

One only has to look into the lens of the Pentax MX-1 to see it shares a lens with the Olympus XZ-2: a 28-112mm equivalent with a relatively bright F1.8-2.5 aperture across the zoom range. Aside from the 12-megapixel sensor, though, that's about all the Pentax MX-1 shares with the XZ-2. The MX-1 is both wider and thicker, lacks a hot shoe, and surprisingly has only one control dial, skipping the trend toward a customizable control ring around the lens. In the MX1's favor are a slightly larger LCD (thanks to its 4:3 aspect ratio), that flips up and down in the same way as the XZ-2, and an EV adjustment dial that hangs over the right rear edge ever so slightly for quick changes to the auto and semi-auto capture modes; it's also stiff enough that it doesn't turn by accident.

We were a little disappointed to see no hint of Ricoh's influence on the interface (Ricoh purchased Pentax 18 months ago, so we'd expect to see some of the fruits of that deal appearing soon). In particular, some of the GRD and GXR's control features, with customizable access to key menus and simple, smart controls would have been welcome. But several other omissions show that the MX-1 wasn't quite aimed at the same market as most premium pocket cameras.

Built as much as a premium camera for the casual snapshooter as it is for the photographer craving more control, the Pentax MX-1 makes accessing its high quality optic and potentially good sensor less intimidating. It looks cool, and if it measures up to expectations, particularly from its lens and sensor, it will make a good street camera for semi-auto shooters, and a reasonable substitute for carrying an SLR everywhere.

Pentax MX-1 key features

  • 12MP backlit CMOS sensor
  • 4x 28-112mm equivalent F1.8-2.5 lens
  • ISO 100-12800
  • 3.0 inch, 920K dot LCD screen
  • JPEG, RAW (DNG), RAW+JPEG capture
  • 1080p 30fps video recording with stereo microphones
  • Rear control dial and EV dial
  • Pentax SLR-like interface
  • HDR mode

CMOS sensor

The Pentax MX-1's 1/1.7" backlit CMOS sensor has a total resolution of 12.76MP, outputting a 12-megapixel image measuring 4,000 x 3,000 pixels. Many of the Pentax's rivals, including the Olympus XZ-2, Nikon P7700 and Samsung EX2F also use 1/1.7" 12MP BSI CMOS sensors. Given that these are not huge mass-market products, it seems likely that most of them share a single sensor, such as the one Sony published details of in October.

Sensor sizes compared

The diagram below compares the size of the MX-1's 1/1.7" sensor to those in its nearest competitors - in general larger sensors potentially offer better image quality. The MX-1's sensor is equal to most of its direct competitors, like the S110, XZ-2, and LX7.

The MX-1's sensor is smaller than recent premium pocket leaders, but on par with most premium pocket category competitors.

Enthusiast compacts: lenses, sensors and background blur

The table below compares the MX-1's lens specifications and sensor size against its main competitors and the X10. Along with the familiar 35mm-equivalent focal length, we've also included a 35mm-equivalent aperture range, which gives some idea of the control over depth of field offered by each camera's lens.

  Sensor area, mm2
(dimensions)
Focal length range Focal length range (equiv.) Aperture range Aperture range (equiv)* Dimensions (mm)
Pentax MX-1 41
(7.4x5.6)
6.0-24mm 28-112mm
F1.8-2.5
F1.8-2.5 F8.4-11.6 122x64x51
Fujifilm XF1 58
(8.8x6.6)
6.4-25.6mm 25-100mm F1.8-4.9 F7.0-19.1 108x62x33
Sony
DSC-RX100
116
(13.2x8.8)
10-37mm 28-100mm F1.8-4.9 F4.9-13.4 101x58x36
Canon S100 41
(7.4x5.6)
5.2-26mm 24-120mm F2.0-5.9 F9.3-27.4 99x60x27
Fujifilm X10 58
(8.8x6.6)
7.1-28mm 28-112mm F2.0-2.8 F7.9-11 117x70x57
Panasonic DMC-LX7 34**
(6.7x5.1)
4.7-17.7mm 24-90mm F1.4-2.3 F7.1-11.7 111x76x46
Samsung EX2F 41
(7.4x5.6)
5.2-17.2mm 24-80mm F1.4-2.7 F6.5-12.5 112x62x45

* Equivalent aperture, in 135 film terms - this gives an idea of the depth of field control offered by the lenses when the sensor size is taken into account.
** Panasonic DMC-LX7 sensor area figures based on 4:3 aspect ratio mode

Photographers tend to be interested in how well a lens can blur backgrounds when shooting portraits at full telephoto, and in this respect the MX-1 is among the best in its class - matching exactly the ability offered by the Olympus XZ-2. This isn't the sort of shallow depth-of-field that a DSLR will offer with a specialized lens, but at the long end of the lens it'll give about the same flexibility as most DSLR kit lenses will offer.

The equivalent apertures also give a rough idea of how the cameras might compare in low light; to a degree they indicate how far a larger sensor should be offset by a faster lens. Obviously this isn't the whole story; the characteristics of the individual sensors matters too, as does the quality of in-camera processing for JPEG shooters. But the story is essentially the same - the MX-1 should do a bit better than most small-sensor cameras, but not as well as the RX100 over most of its lens range.

Size compared

The MX-1's larger lens and articulating screen means it's a little thicker than most cameras in this category, as well as a little wider. It's also thicker than the XZ-2. The Pentax MX-1 is still small enough to slip into a shorts or jacket pocket, and there's enough space on the back for a few extra buttons and controls. We have a feeling many users are likely to want to take advantage of the camera strap to show off this good-looking camera.

The Pentax MX-1 is shorter than the XZ-2, with a wider stance, which draws attention to the lens, making it appear somewhat larger. Note the infrared port on the front, right next to the AF-assist lamp.
While the XZ-2 tapers in specific places to make it feel slimmer - and ultimately be slimmer - the Pentax MX-1 embraces the idea of bulk, probably for the sake of a more retro look and feel.
Though both cameras have a control dial on the back, the XZ-2 has another dial on the front, customizable to adjust focus and either aperture or shutter speeds, while the MX-1's main 'extra' control is the EV dial. Like its SLRs, Pentax has included the green 're-center' button for quickly jumping back to the default setting regardless of the exposure mode.


If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

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Total comments: 207
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Jack Simpson
By Jack Simpson (3 days ago)

So, Simon, I gather you're finding Seattle and it's netherlands a tad different than London and it's outlaying areas :) I'm referring to the snowshoeing pics :D

And, cool pics, no pun intended :)

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (4 days ago)

It may be a fine compact camera but surely it's a stupid idea to call it MX.
The original MX had one of the best SLR viewfinders ever made and while I'm quite happy with the recent trend of "retro" designs this one does not deserve its name. If Pentax has no better use for such an illustrious piece of their legacy, they should let it rest in peace...

Olympus is making much better use of their iconic names.

(I am a Pentax user by the way)

3 upvotes
Jack Simpson
By Jack Simpson (3 days ago)

Ah Boris, it's an MX-1 ;) and love my MX's ... although not used for a number of years and, truth be told, I like the idea of reusing some of the plasts from the past :)

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 days ago)

Yes, they've started counting, that makes it even worse. They'll ruin the name forever!
I would love it if Pentax would built a line of "retro" cameras... but when I say cameras I don't mean point-and-shoots.
If they use all their venerable old names for point-and-shoots they rob themselfs of the chance to use them to sell real cameras.

1 upvote
SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (4 days ago)

Yet another viewfinder-less box (without even an optional over-priced EVF) for people who like to stand around waving a camera at arms' length. It can't be long, surely, before phones have completely displaced these things in this market sector.

1 upvote
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (4 days ago)

Bend your elbows.

The camera is no longer at arms' length.

0 upvotes
webrunner5
By webrunner5 (4 days ago)

You must be a LOT younger than I am to say that!

3 upvotes
Ipsofoto
By Ipsofoto (4 days ago)

Impressed by the quality of the photos and very nice looking body - I hope it will be successful. These retro inspired compact cameras by Pentax, Fuji et al really are special, not sure which one to choose, but this would definitely be worth a try.

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ozdean
By ozdean (3 weeks ago)

Beautiful and knowing what Pentax can pull out of a sensor - Classic.

2 upvotes
Kursun
By Kursun (2 months ago)

Absolutely beautiful!

I think all modern DSLR look like black plastic blobs, very much unlike the early elegant SLR designs.

1 upvote
MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (3 months ago)

If this thing could record 1080P 50/60fps video and had one more control dial, it would be perfect. So I had to get an NEX 5R instead. Always liked Pentax handling since my K10D and wanted a pocketable camera, but need full frame rate video for my needs. MX-2?

0 upvotes
siriyoham
By siriyoham (3 months ago)

Newest Sony sensor, great zuiko lens (FEDman from prohardver says it's ordered from olympus, the same as in xz-2 and xz-1) and time lapse mode with 1/4000 shutter speed, all I can say is wow. The jpegs on photographyblog are very pleasing. Can't wait to see more.

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jimr
By jimr (3 months ago)

Given the size, weight and price of the MX-1, a hot shoe and external EVF option should have been included.
This is much larger than the Canon S series and the Sony RX where their is a size reason for not including a hot shoe and an EVF option.
No excuse for these omissions on the Pentax MX -1.
The smaller and cheaper Olympus ZX 10 lacks both, but it is smaller and cheaper.
This Pentax will fall between the cracks.
If you are going into the non pocketable grouping, the Fuji X 20 with a hot shoe with a built in EVF that has loads of information shown in the EVF and that had an extremely fast AF and an even larger sensor would be the way to go.
The Fuji X 20 even weighs significantly less than the Pentax.
If you want pocketable, this camera is too big and heavy and the Canon S and Sony RX are your choices.

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marike6
By marike6 (2 months ago)

Too "big and heavy" for what? The MX-1 is 122 mm wide, only slightly more than the X20, but it's much shorter.

X20 353 gr
MX-1 391 gr

MX-1 vs X20 Size comparison

http://camerasize.com/compare/#396,404

The X20 is much taller, and the lens protrudes more. The X20 has a VF, but the MX-1 has the extremely useful tiltable LCD, a feature that the G15 removed, much to the chagrin of G-series fans.

IQ wise, the MX-1 scored better than the S110 and G15 on DxOMark, the same as the XZ-2. It has the best high ISO ability of any 1/1.7" sensor camera, only slightly worse performance in low-light than the excellent X10, which is superb for this class of camera.

You seem be having a hard time understanding why people are interested in the MX-1. I'm not sure why, but at least get your facts straight.

2 upvotes
blosshapperter
By blosshapperter (4 months ago)

I think it's endearing that the XZ-2 is shown as size comparison but not in the list of sensor size/focal length etc.

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

Since they share the Sony 1/1.7" sensor, and a similar (or identical) lens, the MX-1 and XZ-2 focal lengths, aperture ranges, DOF equivalents, etc., will be the same.

Both nice cameras, but i much prefer to design of the MX-1 and don't see myself putting an external EVF on a compact.

2 upvotes
WhyNot
By WhyNot (4 months ago)

I always enjoyed using my Pentax SLRs and this seems to be a very nice camera; but, I wish it had, at least, the option of a VF like the XZ-2. I've yet to see an LCD that worked well in the sunlight (the tilting LCD helps maybe) ... It also seemed strange that the review compared this camera to the XZ-2 but didn't include that camera in its table ???

0 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (4 months ago)

You know, the more I look at this, the more I like it. I just think the price needs to settle. Maybe I can get it for $300 next Christmas on sale.

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

Just saw some full-size MX-1 sample jpeg and raw and they look fantastic. The f1.8-2.5 zoom seems to be extremely sharp, and files, particularly at low to mid ISOs look terrific. Sharp, detailed, with good colors.

MX-1 Full-size sample images (see link below)

http://www.quesabesde.com/noticias/pentax-mx-1-analisis-fotos-video,1_9433

6 upvotes
Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (3 months ago)

Nice website. Muchisimas gracias.

0 upvotes
digby dart
By digby dart (4 months ago)

Like many others I cut my teeth on a Pentax slr in my teens, so its always good to see the brand still plugging away, no matter who owns it. :-D

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (4 months ago)

Well - its BACK TO THE FUTURE - OM1 (now OM-D) MX (now MX-1) good luck to Pentax for 2013 - I look forward to the ME Super -1 and the FULL FRAME LX- 1 !!

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Dan Goga
By Dan Goga (4 months ago)

Thought I never reach to see it. Two years ago I posted a request more like a wish to Pentax and ex-owner Hoya for a retro camera series ( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/36628247 ) and now it's finally here ! The mirror less design finally allows it ! Thank you Pentax and now also to Ricoh for making this come true ! Looking forward to Pentax LX-1 !

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ozdean
By ozdean (4 months ago)

What is it about the brassing through the black paint that looks so good?
A well used pro journo quality - nice.

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marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

The brassing does look cool. The only thing is that film cameras like the Nikon FE or Pentax 67 that show wear marks on the top plate are many years old, whereas the typical digital camera has a much shorter lifespan because sensor performance is always improving. So I don't know if any MX-1 buyers will actually use the camera long enough for it to get that well used look with paint worn off.

Very nice looking camera though that will likely perform great.

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sattva
By sattva (4 months ago)

totally agree with you marike6. the digital cameras of today are toys...expensive ones too! and the sensor performance is not improving as camera manufacturers would like us to believe...its the ancillaries around it that are being improved...software and interfaces etc. and it is more profitable for companies to keep churning out newer cameras than offer software upgrades to the older ones...

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marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

@sattva I'm glad you agree with me, but I never said any of that. I meant that digital camera have a much shorter life than film cameras so how do we get our MX-1 to show brassing?

I think that digital camera technology and sensors have improved to incredible levels so it is now possible for amateurs to have the exact same tools that pros have to achieve unprecedented IQ at prices that are the lowest they've ever been. I never said anything about toys, and don't believe that's true AT ALL.

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ozdean
By ozdean (4 months ago)

Beautifully simple and knowing Pentax it will shoot the same way.
They seem to get more out of a sensor than anyone else.

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LaFonte
By LaFonte (4 months ago)

Not half bad. Show me the samples.

0 upvotes
Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (4 months ago)

Yawn. Sorry, what?..yeah looks great...snore...

1 upvote
chida
By chida (4 months ago)

Though I am a Nikon user for more than three decades, I love this camera because of its simplicity in every respect and a high-class professional look. Wish this camera will be a great super hit all over the world.

5 upvotes
aytackurtuba
By aytackurtuba (4 months ago)

That camera has very good specification realy , i wonder its performance in a dark room for iso successfulity ...

0 upvotes
marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

I really like this new MX-1. I'm in the market for a high end P&S, and I'll either get this camera, the X20, or possibly the XZ2. When I saw the images of the paint worn off, and the brass showing through it reminded my of my Pentax 67. Nice. If IQ is as good as the XZ-2 or G15 it will suit me just fine. The X20 is my top choice, but I keep coming back to this camera.

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gtw1
By gtw1 (4 months ago)

Looks like a great camera to me. Seems to have a aura of desirability to my eyes. Sometimes you just have to own something that looks right, or is different from the norm, if you can combine both, all the better.
Pentax is an icon, Sony and Canon are not.

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DeanAllan
By DeanAllan (4 months ago)

Love the look! I love the idea of a camera made to wear**

Judging on how Pentax many to coax a decent quality out of the q10, I think it'll be good enough for me to bring everyday.

It would have been cool if they had the assignable lens ring but I guess they want to make sure the camera can be worked one-handed, which is great too!

Meh, the lack of external flash shoe doesn't worry me, I can always get a cheap Yong Nuo flash and use the flash trigger or even better get a hammer head camera flash and use it with that.

I'll be getting it for sure.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (4 months ago)

Pentax is recycling names from its glorious past, but whether its current products will live up to those famous names depends on their feature set. The MX was a great camera that was better than the Olympus OM-1. It was smaller and yet more solidly built. Unfortunately, the new MX-1 does not seem to be competitive. It has a smaller sensor than its competitors, and that could be fatal. Looks like Pentax is blind to the recent trend of bigger sensors in new cameras. It is trying to minimize manufacturing cost while trying to convince users it has a superior product. I believe that is simply penny wise and pound foolish.

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jalywol
By jalywol (4 months ago)

My film MX is wincing in its case.....

3 upvotes
Luftbrenzer
By Luftbrenzer (4 months ago)

Well if they going to name it MX at least viewfinder would be nice........

2 upvotes
brelip
By brelip (4 months ago)

There's definitely hints of Ricoh on this camera. The power button lights up in green!

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brelip
By brelip (4 months ago)

There are cameras that exist to meet a need, then there are cameras exist to inspire process of photography. This camera is more of a latter than the former, unlike RX100. Sure, with 1inch sensor would make it better, but it's too early, wait till 2014-2015.

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brelip
By brelip (4 months ago)

The camera's placement of controls reminds me of Olympus OM-D E-M5 and even E-5. Record button on top, compensation dial, wheel on back, and direction controls on back instead of wheel. I like it.

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bb42
By bb42 (4 months ago)

There is one more feature that was left out compared to the XZ2: The plug for the electronic viewfinder. I got one for my XZ1 and having the possibility to attach it to a camera that is still very pocketable (without it), is really a nice option.

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unlearny
By unlearny (4 months ago)

Wow, the RX100 still seems like the best camera of this class. They should have included the RX1 to the sensor chart, just for laughs.

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marike6
By marike6 (4 months ago)

The RX100 definitely has the best sensor of this class, but with no VF, hot-shoe, slow f4.9 max aperture at full telephoto, less hard buttons than some other enthusiast compacts, I'm not sure it's the best camera.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (4 months ago)

When you're a late entrant into this space, you'd better be offering something better than what is out there, or you're just inconsequential.
Yet another 1/1.7" sensor... good grief! Fuji has been offering a 2/3" for years now, and Sony just came out with 1"... it's about time this category left the smaller sensors behind.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (4 months ago)

I hope not!
A small sensor with a bright lens is an excellent combination that is hard to beat in terms of size and quality.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (4 months ago)

It is amazingly boring how people (like you) can just read the specs of a sensor side and pass judgement. These are different technologies, and they are not made by the same manufacturer. There are variants here. You also get a faster lens.

Same story with the Q yet the Q does *way better* than many people like you who just read a paper sensor spec size expect.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (4 months ago)

You wish!

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gillamoto
By gillamoto (4 months ago)

my pentax Q with 1/2.3" sensor (released 2011) produces much better image quality than my new Lumix LX7 with 1/1.7" sensor (released 2012). so I personally optimistic about this new MX-1 (maybe better than 1" sensor Sony RX-100?). stop thinking bigger is better. it is the technology that matters, not the size.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (4 months ago)

Looks time-tested -- classic, proven 1958 body design.

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Arijit Banerjee
By Arijit Banerjee (4 months ago)

It sure is pretty and I have this feeling will shoot very well!

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (4 months ago)

General consensus seems to be:

If it's a Pentax, shoot it down. I really don't get the mindset of some people.

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brelip
By brelip (4 months ago)

If Pentax were to make the exact same cameras as Canon, Nikon, Sony, on one would buy them. They have to be different.

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Anepo
By Anepo (5 days ago)

I shoot some of the "after ricoh purchased pentax" cameras down without hesitation but this one does deserve respect, but i feel often that ricohs design choices for example the newer dslrs, the "pentax wtf is its name again thats supposed to compete against the micro four thirds" and the mark whatever "artistic mirrorless" all deserved to go down in flames, i used to own the k10dnand k20d and those had a great look imo.

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (4 months ago)

It is about the same body size as a Nikon D series APS-C SLR- only the lens stops them being pocketable, but the IQ will be garbage in comparison. Do we hate our wives and children this much that we buy them these baubles, this bling, these trinkets??!!
They now ALL only last 10 years max as to cheat the rich guys with their full-frame machines and lenses these products are being made with lead-free solder that degrades growing whiskers that short-circuit everything. Irrepairable too.
Your CHOICE??

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (4 months ago)

Uh, any SLR is going to be at least almost twice as thick as a compact....

besides, modern small-sensor cameras are getting better than some technology buffs thought they would be.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (4 months ago)

Egad , these commom cameras sound absolutely ghastly and not even good enough for the memsahib and children. Fare makes you swoon. Pass me the smelling salts. These rich chaps have probably made their money in trade and are not true gentlemen. Degrades your growing whiskers as well, sounds utterly appalling if a chap cannot grow his moustaches to a point.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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Anepo
By Anepo (5 days ago)

Alizarine i think that olympus might disagree with you, a film slr brings better quality and can be just as pocketable with the right lens and slr body.

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R Thornton
By R Thornton (4 months ago)

OMG, it is a camera!
For a second I mistook it for an Iphone rear sticker...

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (4 months ago)

At the bottom of the back wheel on the right, there is a remote controler port?. Am I wrong?

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R Butler
By R Butler (4 months ago)

Page 5 seems to suggest it.

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (4 months ago)

What kind of pictures does this camera take? Good? Bad? :)

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (4 months ago)

What kind of photographer does this camera require? Good or bad?

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (4 months ago)

You tell me.

I await your devastating reply.

Comment edited 45 seconds after posting
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raimaster
By raimaster (4 months ago)

when 1/2.3" sensor on Q outperform most of 1/1.7 " camera (near to sensor 2/3" on X10), can mx-1 macth fuji x20 with sensor 2/3"? http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/(appareil1)/733%7C0/(brand)/Nikon/(appareil2)/722%7C0/(brand2)/Pentax/(appareil3)/683%7C0/(brand3)/Panasonic

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R Butler
By R Butler (4 months ago)

The 1/2.3" BSI CMOS sensor is pretty recent, the 1/1.7" CCD in the Nikon is three years older.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (4 months ago)

Why do you believe DXO values?
My experience is that they are pretty useless.

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Paul Pasco
By Paul Pasco (4 months ago)

Three things this camera (or one a little bigger maybe) should have: 1" sensor, CX lens mount and a hot shoe. Actually just the hot shoe seems like a necessity in this market. I know, no way will there be a CX mount on a Pentax. LOL

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (4 months ago)

No it should not have a CX mount with a bigger sensor, cause then it would be too large.

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dstate1
By dstate1 (4 months ago)

If the soviets had made a fake Leica X1 this is what it would look like.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (4 months ago)

They can make curves you know. Many Leica III copies are the proof. Anyway if you ask me it looks like a Nikon SP.

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backayonder
By backayonder (4 months ago)

How can we pretend these camera's have a retro look about them when there is no viewfinder?

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Pat Cullinan Jr
By Pat Cullinan Jr (4 months ago)

"Retro look" is hoke.
"Brass" is hoke.

No VF is a shortcoming.

This tweedle-dee of a camera is something of a snore.

For an extra $150, you can have an RX100 (also sans VF).

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tinternaut
By tinternaut (4 months ago)

Why the small sensor? I think the RX100 points the way in terms of minimum sensor size in this class of camera.

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Michael_13
By Michael_13 (4 months ago)

No it does not.

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KieranGee
By KieranGee (4 months ago)

The question is, will the camera innards last long enough to make any brassing 'worthwhile'? An old mechanical camera with some brassing on it, has probably seen many years of use, due to it's lack of battery, LCD screen, digital sensor, circuit boards, and myriad other things to go wrong. I'd wager that not many MX-1s will be operational and looking well loved in fifty years time for example.

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T3
By T3 (4 months ago)

I have yet to see a digital cameras "innards" wear out from use. It's mechanical cameras that have an issue of "innards" wearing out because those are the cameras with actual moving parts that can wear out. Today's electronic cameras have very few, if any, moving parts inside them. Circuit boards don't "wear out." Digital sensors don't "wear out." Your statement reminds me of people who, years ago, used to say that top-plate LCD screens on film SLRs were a bad thing because those screens would not last long and would "wear out." LOL.

Plus, it looks like the construction of the MX-1 is a bit above your average throw-away plastic compact digicam.

At any rate, I think some of the people who buy the MX-1 will manually brass the camera with some steel wool or a Brillo pad in order to get that "brassed" look without having to wait years for it to happen naturally. It'll be a way for them to give their cameras a very personalized, aged look sooner rather than later.

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KieranGee
By KieranGee (4 months ago)

Perhaps "wear" is the wrong choice of words. Fail, would be better. Working, as I do, in camera retail, I do get to see an awful lot of older digital cameras that simply stop working, be it a sensor issue, or a connection between one board or another failing.
Also I'd say battery lifespan might be an issue. Sure you can pick up a spare Li-On battery now, but how easy will that be in five years time? Ten? If you can't get a manufacturers own brand battery after that period, will there be third party batteries, and if so, will you want to trust them in your lovely, antique looking MX-1?

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Anepo
By Anepo (5 days ago)

T3 tell that to samsung, my s2 i purchased a few months ago shorts out and turns off right away if i take 3 photos in a row with the led on.

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (4 months ago)

Is it just me, or does the bulbous tilting/spinning/flipping LCDs on these retro designs kind of ruin the look a little??

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Anepo
By Anepo (5 days ago)

Believe me it's not just you.

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Ken Chin
By Ken Chin (4 months ago)

Auto Lens cap (Olympus LC-63A) would be nice. Q10 top design (middle peak) to include Pentax name and hotshoe. Optional grip like XZ-2. Silver dials like X20. Wifi like Samsung.

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (4 months ago)

WOndering if Olympus XZ-1 / XZ-2 lens adapter (CLA-12) would fit on it too... I might buy this.

But i also getting ready to buy a Pentax Q as well, whch s very affordable now.

Pentax, good to have you back. Give us more, we will buy YOU.

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