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Olympus OM-D E-M10 First Impressions Review

January 2014 | By Richard Butler



Preview based on production Olympus OM-D E-M10

The Olympus OM-D E-M10 is the third camera in the company's OM-D range and represents another tier in the lineup - sitting below the E-M5 and the even more expensive E-M1.

The first of Olympus's OM-D models, the E-M5, impressed us a great deal when it was launched, and clearly struck a chord with our readers - comfortably winning our first annual 'camera of the year' poll. And the cause for the excitement? A combination of the best image quality we'd seen from a Four Thirds sized sensor and a well-considered set of controls that offerred an enthusiast DSLR-style experience in a much smaller body, were genuinely unprecedented. Overall it was the most complete and coherent mirrorless camera we'd seen up until that point.

The bad news is that, as the more basic model, the E-M10 doesn't push the series in many exciting new directions. But the more significant good news is that, with very few exceptions, the E-M10 offers almost everything the E-M5 did, plus a bit more, at a much lower starting price. Whereas the E-M5 debuted at a cost of around $999 body-only, the E-M10 will hit the market at around $699 (or $799 with the collapsible 14-42mm II R lens).

The story is slightly different in the UK, where Olympus is bundling the E-M10 with the tiny 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 EZ power zoom lens that was announced at the same time. This kit will cost around £699, with a £529 price tag to buy it body-only. This means the body-only price is only around $30 more expensive than the US price, if VAT is removed to compare them on an equal footing.

OM-D E-M10 key features

  • 16MP Four Thirds CMOS sensor
  • Twin control dials
  • Built-in flash
  • 8 fps continuous shooting
  • Tilting 1.04M dot LCD touchscreen
  • 1.44m dot LCD viewfinder
  • Wi-Fi allowing remote control and file transfer to smartphones
  • Focus peaking
  • '3-axis' image stabilization

Looking through that list, you'll see that the E-M10 is essentially an un-weather-sealed E-M5 but with a better rear screen and the ability to easily send images off to a smart device. And, in use, that's a pretty accurate way of looking at things. But just looking at what's new or different risks downplaying how much is carried over from the E-M5.

Despite its fairly modest (mid-range DSLR level) pricing, the E-M10 retains not only a full twin dial control setup, giving you plenty of direct access to exposure settings, but also a touchscreen that helps make it quick to change secondary settings (gradation, white balance, ISO, etc.). As usual, Olympus hasn't made any moves to simplify or dumb-down its menu system, with all the advantages and disadvantages that brings.

Model
OM-D E-M10
OM-D E-M5
PEN E-P5
Sensor
16MP CMOS
16MP CMOS
16MP CMOS
Image processor
TruePic VII
TruePic VI
TruePic VI
Image stabilization
3-axis
5-axis
5-axis
Stabilization effectiveness (CIPA)
3.5 stops
~4 stops
~4 stops
Accessory Port?
No
Yes
Yes
Screen specifications
1.04m dot,
WVGA LCD
614k dot,
VGA equiv. OLED
1.04m dots
WVGA LCD
Electronic viewfinder
1.44m dot,
SVGA LCD
1.44m dot,
SVGA LCD
Optional
Built-in flash?
Yes
No
Yes
Wi-Fi?
Yes
No
Yes
Maximum shutter speed
1/4000 sec
1/4000 sec
1/8000 sec
X-Sync speed (external flash)
1/200 sec
1/200 sec
1/250 sec
Movie options
1080/30p MOV
up to 24Mbps
1080/60i MOV
up to 20Mbps
1080/60i MOV
up to 20Mbps
Battery life (shots/charge, CIPA)
320
360
330
Environmental sealing?
No
Yes
No

In the negative column, you can see that the E-M10 misses out on the E-M5's 5-axis stabilization - which means it's not quite as effective (particularly when shooting close-ups). The shutter mechanism, meanwhile, allows a maximum shutter speed of 1/4000th of a second, in contrast to the 1/8000 sec offered by Olympus's most recent models, the E-P5 and E-M1. The good news is that our preliminary testing suggests it isn't prone to the image shake that can occur with the PEN E-P5.

The E-M10 also does without an AP2 accessory port, but this isn't necessarily a huge drawback - with the exception of the SEMA-1 stereo mic option, most of the available accessories aren't terribly relevant for E-M10 owners. The little LED macro lights Olympus sells are a bit of fun (though hardly essential), and we can't see many people feeling the need to add viewfinders and Bluetooth transmitters to a camera with a built-in EVF and Wi-Fi.

However, the things the E-M10 adds are rather nice - the rear screen is a noticeable improvement, as is the inclusion of the 'Adaptive Brightness' viewfinder technology first introduced in the E-M1. This brightens and darkens the viewfinder panel, based on the ambient lighting conditions. As a result, the viewfinder ends up being bright in bright light without then being blinding in low light. It's a little thing (to the point that you don't necessarily notice it happening), but it helps provide a more OVF-like experience.

The Four Thirds concept has been the subject of much debate, right from launch, but in its Micro Four Thirds incarnation, it offers a combination of size and capability that sets it apart from its APS-C rivals. And, although we wouldn't expect a huge number of E-M10 owners to buy lots of extra lenses, there are a healthy number of comparatively affordable (circa $300) lenses available from Olympus and Panasonic.

Electronic zoom

In the UK, the E-M10 will be sold with the m.Zuiko 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 EZ MSC power zoom. It's an very compact power zoom lens, that allows the camera and lens combination to stay small (the lens is even smaller than Panasonic's 14-42 Vario X powerzoom. Despite its size, the lens finds room for both a zoom and focus rings. It also comes with a clever sprung-iris lens cap that gives a compact-camera-like experience. In the US (initially, at least), the lens will only be available separately, at a cost of around $349.


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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

I wonder if the Sony organic sensors are coming in 2015. A new line of Olympus cameras with a sensor like that would make them truly amazing. Fuji and Panasonic are said to be releasing a jointly developed organic sensor in 2015. 2015 should be the next revolution in sensors.

2 upvotes
completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (5 months ago)

I think Fuji is working on those too and I did see a white paper about them from Panasonic at one point.

Comment edited 43 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Michael_13
By Michael_13 (5 months ago)

I think, Olympus cameras already are truly amazing.
How much better can today's image quality get?

6 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

If the available ISO speeds get any higher you won't need to remove the lens cap.

1 upvote
HomoSapiensWannaBe
By HomoSapiensWannaBe (6 months ago)

This is a lot of camera for the money!

5 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

Well, at least it doesn't look like a complete, dedicated hipster camera. Good start. Though I still don't get why they can't build equivalent to Sony NEX 6 - it takes full advantage of being mirrorless - truly small size. Why Oly can't do that and need to pretend that they build a DSLR instead?

5 upvotes
Jeffrey_Sung
By Jeffrey_Sung (6 months ago)

Oly has different line-up for different target customers.
OM-D - EM1, EM5, EM10
E-P - EP5, EPL5, EPM2

8 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (5 months ago)

Because using any kind of larger lens on a NEX is horrible?

6 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (5 months ago)

Some people prefer a camera with a viewfinder in the middle, because they think that it both handles and looks better, than one with a viewfinder in the corner. Personally, I'd choose a faux DSLR over a faux rangefinder any day.

4 upvotes
CharlesTokyo
By CharlesTokyo (5 months ago)

@Jeffrey. I'd make the lineups a little different.
HIgh end - E-P5, E-M5, E-M1
Mid range - E-PM2, E-PL5, E-M10.
I don't think Oly has a low end. Last year models I guess.

Base it on batteries. It makes the upgrades look more oblivious, or the move down for a more compact body. I just there was a E-PM-like model that took the E-M1 battery.

1 upvote
EricAotearoa
By EricAotearoa (5 months ago)

I have an EM5 and, without the added battery grip set attached, it is just too small to handle comfortably. Viewing in-line with the lens (SLR style) is much more ergonomic than being off centre. A bit like the old Mini's and their offset steering wheels. Just didn't feel right.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Mupepe
By Mupepe (5 months ago)

Well, it's probably the size of my nose, but I prefer the evf at the side, like Fuji XEs and Sony NEXs.

0 upvotes
johnparas11zenfoliodotcom
By johnparas11zenfoliodotcom (6 months ago)

i like the built in flash..just in case.. and i like the compact Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 EZ

hhmm.. maybe next year when the prices go down..more.. i have cameras now that I still use.. :-)

2 upvotes
nekudza
By nekudza (6 months ago)

Could somebody tell - does it have low-pass filter?

0 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

We've seen nor heard anything to suggest it doesn't.

0 upvotes
nekudza
By nekudza (6 months ago)

One russian site claims camera goes with anti-moire software - looks redundant if it has solid low-pass filter. Of course source doesn't look trustworthy.

0 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (5 months ago)

Imaging Resource also claims that the E-M10 uses a sensor without an anti-aliasing filter.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (5 months ago)

Is it that hard to find out? I know they've had lots of layoffs but there should be somebody you can ask.

0 upvotes
Dimit
By Dimit (6 months ago)

Nothing special indeed..but then it's irrelevant to the sales volume..imagin,Canon M still sells well !!! Marketing does a better job than any thoroughful examination..

4 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

highest cost performance in the market.

sorry Canon did the AF half-hearted for they have been developing dual-pixel AF for sometime and the current AF in EOS M is just a temporary one, for Canon and for users.

1 upvote
Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (6 months ago)

Looks like a good entry model for the EM series.
The controls look more accessible than EM5 but why is the diopter so large?
This may be better to use than EM5 if you don't need weather sealing.

3 upvotes
olyflyer
By olyflyer (6 months ago)

So let's see...
Pattern?

E-M1 = OM-1 (interesting camera)
E-M10 = OM-10 (not very excited about it)
E-M2 = OM-2 (will probably buy it because it will be matured)

Of course, I mean the E-M series. I already had the OM series and the only one I regretted buying was the OM-10.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Dylthedog
By Dylthedog (6 months ago)

I loved my OM-10, got some great shots with it. Always wanted an OM-2SP but never go the funds together! :)

2 upvotes
photophile
By photophile (6 months ago)

digital OM-10 :-)

1 upvote
Felice62
By Felice62 (6 months ago)

The EM5 os insanely priced for the feaures it sports. The appearance of the EM10 is likely to keep EM5 overly priced to justify the segment...

2 upvotes
photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

EM5 came out 2 years ago. NEX 7 and EM5 are a new breed of cameras with high initial development costs. Now, the EM5 body can be easily had for $799. Which is now a more reasonable cost. Now, they are going down in price fast. Consider what you get with an EM5 at $799, it's a fairly decent deal. It's a technologically advanced camera with high end tech in there.

1 upvote
EricAotearoa
By EricAotearoa (5 months ago)

Yes, bought mine a just over a year ago. Standard price of $1999.00NZ, for camera and 12~50mm weatherproof lens. Just prior to EM-1 release, the price dropped by about $800.00. More than a little annoyed. Mind you, same happened with my MS Surface 1 was $1100.00, then dropped by about $500.00 just prior to the Surface 2 release. Moral of the story, don't buy too soon, just wait till the next model is released.

0 upvotes
Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (6 months ago)

Dear Olympus friends...you have amongst you now a straitjacketed troll with the most bizarre ideas since Mr Bean. You'll work him out from his bizarre sentence construction & rape of the language. Please understand that we, from the Fuji forum did NOT send him here! Thank you. Enjoy yr new camera :-)

4 upvotes
draschan
By draschan (6 months ago)

2 questions: time lapse. flash control
time lapse: important question for me: does it store the RAW data when I use time lapse? this is crucial to me. if anybody knows please let me know.
another question: can the FL600R be controlled with the OM10 like it can be controlled with the OM5 ...? the epl5 does not really control the external flash. so is it 100% as compatible with the EM10.

0 upvotes
LuckyEight
By LuckyEight (6 months ago)

Is it made in Japan or China like E-M5?

0 upvotes
taktak91
By taktak91 (6 months ago)

If it is made in Japan, it means it's made by Chinese workers working in a factory located in Japan.

Comment edited 22 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Orcker
By Orcker (6 months ago)

I think all Olympus cameras are now made in China, just like Apple iPhones

0 upvotes
bofo777
By bofo777 (5 months ago)

Boy they sure most know what there doing both products do work WELL

1 upvote
Carinik
By Carinik (6 months ago)

Someone can confirm that OM-10 cant do 1080p60?!

0 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

All the specs we've seen say 30p and there are no menu options to specify a change of frame rate.

2 upvotes
Akpinxit
By Akpinxit (6 months ago)

RAW IQ still remains to see , but if one looking to shoot in JPGs , there would be no need to switch from smartphone to this model - same smugged details even on ISO200 , same edge artifacts , same handheld combination of 1\60, ISO2000 and high noise reduction erasing everything in its' path.

0 upvotes
BarnET
By BarnET (6 months ago)

Do you have any idea what an µ43 camera is?
It's closer to an crop Dslr then to a P&S. And don't even think about cellphones.

16 upvotes
draschan
By draschan (6 months ago)

hahaha

0 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

The CDS strikes again!

(Cameraphone Derangement Syndrome)

8 upvotes
photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

For most people, they should just stick to smart phones. Dedicated cameras are for photo enthusiasts. You are not one of us, please be quiet.

6 upvotes
completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (5 months ago)

How good is your cell phone with a 300mm equiv. zoom lens?

3 upvotes
Hachu21
By Hachu21 (6 months ago)

A size comparison with the Stylus 1 could be interesting since they are reasonably close in price.
This on-body USB port is still the Olympus non-standard one??

0 upvotes
LarryLatchkey
By LarryLatchkey (6 months ago)

In Germany it's €600 vs €900 (OM D5) body only. That is a distinct price difference even at introduction. Let's wait 6 months...

To me, the PL5 makes even less sense than before!

1 upvote
fmian
By fmian (6 months ago)

More regurgitated Bayer filter trash from a company that's clutching on to it's camera division with its last dying gasps.
Nothing to see here unless you want yet another new camera that will hopefully take a good photo for you.

6 upvotes
zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (6 months ago)

I only agree with Bayer filter trash part.

2 upvotes
caver3d
By caver3d (6 months ago)

Nicely done. Absolutely worthless comments from both of you.

32 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Proof people shouldn't drink and post..

29 upvotes
Mike99999
By Mike99999 (6 months ago)

Fuji fanboy troll..

... doesn't it hurt to see Fuji abandon it's rangefinder designs in favor of an OM-D clone?

12 upvotes
BarnET
By BarnET (6 months ago)

The Xtrans is nice technology. But calling every other camera besides Sigma's thrash is plain stupid.

11 upvotes
Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (6 months ago)

@Mike...why did you call him a Fuji fanboy? (I don't agree with his post - yuk - but what makes you think he's a Fuji user?)

0 upvotes
photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

Cameras don't take good photos. People do. Obviously, looking at your galleries, your cameras never helped you take a good photo. Sorry about the attack, but you deserve it.

1 upvote
darngooddesign
By darngooddesign (6 months ago)

@Mike. I think you mean a Fujica ST clone. I don't see Fuji abandoning their popular Rangefinder designs, only adding to them. Of course if there is no X-Pro2 next year, you might have a point.

0 upvotes
Jorginho
By Jorginho (5 months ago)

Translation: "I want attention. ANY kind of ATTENTION!!

1 upvote
JimBob0
By JimBob0 (6 months ago)

I really like this and I would so like something a bit different for occasional non work use. So torn between SL1 (so I can use my lenses) or this and doing something a bit different.....

0 upvotes
T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

I'm a Canon DSLR user, but I also now use m4/3. For compactness, I don't think a DSLR can compete with the compactness of the m4/3 system. I just love how compact m4/3 lenses are. They truly are tiny compared to my Canon DSLR lenses. For my non-work shooting, for casual around-town street shooting, and especially for travel, I prefer my m4/3 gear.

So, yeah, I'm running two systems. Each has their strengths. And like you've said, it's nice to have something a bit different...change things up.

8 upvotes
photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

SL1 is small, but it's got a small viewfinder and single dial. It's a neutered DSLR. It's not going to be a good shooting experience.

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Cheap Canons and Nikons REEK of cheapness. Crummy plastic, they can't even afford rubber for the grips. Nikon and Canon need to offer some decent mirrorless cameras, but they dislike the concept, based on what they've released so far.

5 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

m4/3" if at reasonable prices could be a good replacement of entry-level APS-C DLSRs as a secondary camera. acturally there is not that much gap between them.

it should be way better if one investments in 35mm full-frame lenses. they are of best performance and best cost performance for now and years to come.

then at an unreasonable premium price, there is no replacement of mZD45/1.8 if compactness is the highest priority (and the absolute number isn't that high).

Comment edited 4 times, last edit 14 minutes after posting
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technotic
By technotic (6 months ago)

Yab buying a camera isn't like buying fruit and veg at the supermarket now is it?

1 upvote
digiart
By digiart (6 months ago)

«Cheap Canons and Nikons REEK of cheapness. Crummy plastic, they can't even afford rubber for the grips.»

IMHO Nikon entry level DSLR do not feel cheap. But I find Canon entry level "aparent" build quality inferior to Nikon. The plastics seem inferior quality.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

Both are garbage, really.
But we're not the customers for them, so I don't care. Besides - cheap plastic got one huge advantage: It's light.

1 upvote
completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (5 months ago)

I too think entry level canons feel cheaper than any other brand. It is especially obvious when you pick up some of their higher-end cameras, which are very well built. Nikon is not perfect either though. Olympus dSLRs had crummy viewfinders and noisy sensors, but they were built so much better than either of the big two.

0 upvotes
b craw
By b craw (6 months ago)

Richard, I enjoyed the preview; thank you. Seems like this model does provide reasonable value. As you suggest in a comment below, I , too, believe that the the few incremental improvements in features might well be worthy of consideration, potentially outweighing the lack of a weather-sealed body, at least for some consumers.

One question: you mention, although very briefly, the inclusion of the sensor triggering the switch from EVF to panel display viewing. Even my older Panasonic Lumix G2 has this. Is this not a feature we should now expect as standard, particularly in cameras otherwise possessing mid-range feature sets? I know the lower end, bare bones Sony A3000 lacked this - and even it caught some flack because of it. Are there any other mid-range cameras that lack it at present?

1 upvote
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

Thanks for your kind comments.

I'm not sure which section you're referring to, about the eye sensor. The only point I can remember making was the fact that this sensor is over-ridden if you flip the screen upwards - meaning the screen doesn't suddenly go blank if you hold the camera too close to yourself or brush a finger too near the eyepiece. It sounds obvious but it's not always done that way.

2 upvotes
b craw
By b craw (6 months ago)

Oh, okay, I misread that.

2 upvotes
PaulDavis
By PaulDavis (6 months ago)

Sony please please take note...

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Is this camera available to anyone right now? I'm wondering about the people who say "I had it" and "I own it." I figure it's come out in Japan or China first?

0 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

Some of those "I own it" people will be posting user reviews before the first EM10 leaves the factory.

Funny how some people are.

2 upvotes
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

I guess they are referring to film cameras not the OMD!!

0 upvotes
SterlingBjorndahl
By SterlingBjorndahl (6 months ago)

Maybe it's just me, but this reminds me of a Dalek. :)

2 upvotes
inorogNL
By inorogNL (6 months ago)

now that you mention it :)

1 upvote
lickity split
By lickity split (6 months ago)

...

0 upvotes
Jose Sentmanat
By Jose Sentmanat (6 months ago)

This is all good as usual with your reviews, I am still hoping that I can get a lot for all of my formerly expensive SLR cameras and lenses to that I can afford to by one decent DSLR or Mirrorless Digital Camera. Sorry I must wait also for a miracle that prices come within my reach. :(

2 upvotes
draleks
By draleks (6 months ago)

Second hand is your friend, my friend.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

m4/3" is made for those who don't need higher quality nor mind significantly higher prices (very poor cost performance). or best balanced solution as Oly and Pana say, for themselves.

1 upvote
caver3d
By caver3d (6 months ago)

yabokkie - Another mindless comment from you. You are known for this, and try to bash other camera brands to feel better about the pathetic cameras that you have. You know nothing about 43 or m43 cameras. Get a life.

15 upvotes
Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (6 months ago)

@caver3d....see my post above. I thought it only fair to give our Olympus friends a heads-up & declare we are not responsible for his being here. The last dinner guest....who.just.wont.leave :-(

3 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (6 months ago)

@yabokkie quality is on-par with APS DSLRs, you just pay extra for a smaller size as with many electronics.

0 upvotes
flipmac
By flipmac (6 months ago)

"Poor cost performance"?
Like a T5i, the EM-10 has an articulated touchscreen but at a lower price and you also get better IQ, IBIS, WiFi, larger viewfinder with 100% coverage, more physical controls, metal case, and so on. Stop your BS.

Comment edited 7 minutes after posting
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Plastek
By Plastek (6 months ago)

"quality is on-par with APS DSLRs" - No, it's not. Go, visit DxO and educate yourself. Nearly every current APS-C DSLR offers better image quality from base to the highest ISOs.

1 upvote
ybizzle
By ybizzle (6 months ago)

Buy a new EM-5 body for $799 (B&H) or a used one for $500 and call it a day. Pricing for this doesn't make sense when the body is only $100 cheaper than the EM-5.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

The E-M5 has been on the market for two years - its selling a long way below its list price (just as the classic product lifecycle graph tells you it would), and probably about as low as it'll go, the odd overstock special offer aside, if it's superseded.

Yet the E-M10's list price is $100 cheaper. It's already below a really low price for the E-M5 and there's only one direction for the price to go, once it's on the shelves.

Usually I have to spend two paragraphs stressing that it's meaningless to compare the depressed street price of an old product to the (ambitiously high) list price of a new model, because that state is short-lived. Here the cheaper model's list price is lower, even on day one - the gap will only get wider.

16 upvotes
RDMPhotos
By RDMPhotos (6 months ago)

wouldn't the focus peaking and the PDAF be better on the EM-10 than the EM-5?
I am just asking, I have no idea about any features of the EM-10. This is the 1st i heard of it.

0 upvotes
ybizzle
By ybizzle (6 months ago)

R Butler your argument makes no sense. The EM10 is being sold as a lower model to the EM5. Yes it has wifi and a couple minor upgrades but you're giving up weather sealing, 5 axis, accessory port, and cannot add a battery grip. If all that is worth $100 in savings to you, then go for it. At the end of the day your $799 is buying you a better camera, even if it has been on the market for 2 years!

Comment edited 23 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

ybizzle - I'm not making an argument that anyone should buy an E-M10 over an E-M5.

But the prices today are only relevant if you're buying a camera today. Soon enough the E-M10's price will drop a bit and the E-M5 will either be phased-out or replaced - either way, the pricing does make sense, because for most of the product's life, it'll be cheaper than the model above it.

As I say, it's usually even harder to recognise, because the preceding model (or an older, higher-end model) is actually cheaper, on the day a new product is launched.

However, unless you're inexplicably determined to pay the list price, the day a product is announced, it makes more sense to take the long view.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
12 upvotes
Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

Though if we were playing the 'which camera should I buy' game, I'm not sure I'd go with the E-M5, personally.

The rear screen on the E-M10 is better, the EVF's behaviour is rather nice, it has a built-in flash and Wi-Fi.

Would I choose that over weather sealing (which I rarely benefit from), an accessory port that can only be used to add a mic to the camera (I don't shoot much video), and the ability to add a battery grip I never felt I needed, when testing the E-M5?

Probably, yes. It would depend a bit on how well the 3-axis system works, but I could put that $100 towards an external flash, (rather than having to faff around with the clip-on one). Or better still, put it towards the cost of a lens...

I'm not saying that would be the right choice for everyone, but the fact it's not clear-cut, suggests the E-M10 is pretty attractive.

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Gesture
By Gesture (6 months ago)

If the E-M10 drifts down in cost after introduction, I would agree. On a different note: Will Olympus ever come out with a newer sensor.

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T3
By T3 (6 months ago)

Does the E-M5 have wifi or a built-in flash? Nope. I really like the convenience of both these features, so for me the E-M10 is the better option over the two-year-old E-M5. I personally hate the add-on flash of Oly's other bodies. In fact, I've even misplaced that add-on flash. No idea where it went. So for me, it's just a lot more convenient to have a built-in pop-up flash like on the E-M10. As for wifi, I think all modern cameras should have wifi these days.

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

Actually. I would buy the em10 over the em5 for a few reasons. Wifi, integrated flash, focus peaking, slightly smaller footprint. I don't need the 5-axis or weather sealing (live in sunny los angeles).

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

The EM5 sold at full list price for over a year. I doubt the same will happen for the EM10. Within three months the EM10 will be down to $649, six months after that, perhaps $599.

Meanwhile, as Richard said, it is unlikely that the EM5 will go below $800 any time soon.

Some folks may actually prefer the EM10 to the EM5, if they don't need weather sealing or 5 axis IS, because it does have WIFI and a built in flash. And it is smaller and lighter and the hump is better looking.

Just remember, the EM10 was NOT designed to take any customers away from the EM5. It is designed for new users, or people moving up from Pen cameras.

Compare the EM10 to an EPL5 + VF4 and it starts looking like a bargain camera.

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showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (6 months ago)

I just want to share the purchasing strategy that has been working FOR ME as a part-time pro on a tight budget. I have been buying good quality bodies exactly at the time of the introduction of a new model to take advantage of the price drop. The savings go toward upgrading my lens collection (at an average rate of $1000 a pop). When the Panasonic GH2 came out, I got a GH1 for half the original price (with a better sensor than the new model according to DxO). More importantly, I purchased a new Pentax K5 for $800.00 in similar circumstances (DxO sensor score of 82). As long as the core features of a camera body are solid, lenses are more important to me and good glass is expensive. I believe that getting the best out of the EM camera sensors requires pro-level glass. A basic set of 2 bright zooms and a prime macro is now worth $3000+. BTW, more than drooling over new gear, I really love to get out there and take pictures.

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Bassam Guy
By Bassam Guy (6 months ago)

And don't forget the two horizontal dials on the 10. That's about the only thing I miss from the Nikon D200 I shot with before going u43.

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R Ortiz
By R Ortiz (6 months ago)

To me, the built-in flash is of supreme importance.
I truly hate the clip-on flash of the E-M5.
I would buy the E-M10 over the E-M5.

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vadimraskin
By vadimraskin (6 months ago)

i guess I have to wait for a budget version of EM1

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (6 months ago)

See my comment above. $500-$550 for gently used EM-5s. Look on Ebay or local/online shops. Best value you'll find!

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vadimraskin
By vadimraskin (6 months ago)

I have a nice collection of FT glass and I love every piece so I want to keep it. Most likely downgraded version of EM1 will have a PDAF sensor so my lenses are useful.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Why the crusade to get people to buy an older camera? Do you own one and now are smarting because a cheaper, somewhat better equipped one is now here?

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Kurt_K
By Kurt_K (6 months ago)

I know it's not weather-sealed but is it metal or is it plastic?

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

The Olympus press release says it's metal, but there are so few expanses of exposed body, it's hard for me to be certain.

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Orcker
By Orcker (6 months ago)

It's solid mag alloy on the outside and plastic polymer on the inside. Same as most 'metal bodied' cameras these days. FWIW, the plastic on the inside is important for shock dissipation - contrary to popular belief, too much metal at the core is not necessarily a good thing.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

Most likely the EM10 has a stainless steel chassis and a high end plastic shell. Remember, you can't have WIFI in an all metal camera. The signal won't make it past the body.

I really doubt a camera at this price point would have a magnesium alloy frame in any case.

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Orcker
By Orcker (6 months ago)

It's injection moulded mag alloy

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citizenlouie
By citizenlouie (5 months ago)

Don't know about the top plate, but the bottom plate of my silver E-M10 already has chipped paint after a few days of use, so I know that part is plastic for sure. This camera needs an eveready leather case to protect it. It's very hard to distinguish plastic and light metal nowadays. The leatherette portion feels quite good and assuring. I don't find the grip too small or hard to grip.

One part I don't like is the built-in flash. It has the tendency to use 1/60" instead of 1/250". Sometimes it doesn't even fire at all even when choose to force fire in the SCP (but gives a weird sound). When the shutter speed is out of the range (not enough power to lit the whole scene), there is no warning (like flashing shutter speed and aperture), and gives you an underexposed photo instead. Maybe I received a defective one.

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67gtonr
By 67gtonr (5 months ago)

Yeah you have to go to the $300 Canon EOS M to get a magnesium alloy frame in a MILC.

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Beat Traveller
By Beat Traveller (6 months ago)

That's a damn good price for a mirrorless camera with an EVF, stabilisation and a small-form body. I like where the market is going.

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BarnET
By BarnET (6 months ago)

It really looks like an canon sl1/Panasonic g6 killer.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (6 months ago)

Panasonic prices usually drop quite a long ways during the product lifecycle, with Olympus prices staying near list for most of their product lives. The G6 prices have been holding up better than many other Panasonic models (possibly because it is basically quite nice), but I expect this to drive them down. The G5 was down to $500 well before it was replaced. While their current prices may look them look like direct competitors, they are only in their positions within each maker's lineup. This should also drive down the price on the E-P5. I'd have a very hard time buying one of those over an E-M10. Even with an evf it is quite small, and certainly much more shapely than the E-M5. This is the first of the Olympus MFT cameras to seem like a bargain at list price. Very attractive, but I do wish they'd offer that tiny power zoom as an alternative kit lens. That would be a great travel combo (though I like the zoom range of the Sony 16-50 better).

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assaft
By assaft (6 months ago)

DPR, do you think it's the same shutter as on the E-M5? It looks like it's the same, since both have max 1/4000th and about 1/200th x-sync, but can you verify that by comparing the max x-sync with the on-board (E-M10) vs supplied flash (E-M5) and by comparing the cameras with the same external flash (eg, FL300r)? Thanks.

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AndyGM
By AndyGM (6 months ago)

It is about time Olympus came up with a entry level EVF m43 cam to go head to head with Panasonics G6

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

Looks like it is not quite head to head (except in price). Better sensor and 3-axis IBIS put it ahead. We will see what G7 will offer.

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (6 months ago)

Indeed. It toke them long enough. This will be an excellent replacement for people who still use the E-620 with kitlens.

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BarnET
By BarnET (6 months ago)

Indeed peevee it kills the g6 on paper. However the gx7 still looks very solid.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

Panasonic's improvements are too incremental. They've had five G's so far.

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BarnET
By BarnET (6 months ago)

That is true RMA.
The G2 didn't offer much over the G1.
and the G6 did not offer anything significant over the G5.
However the G3 was a nice little camera in it's day and so was the G1. The G6 really needs an update ASAP.

Entry level Dslr's like the D3300 with collapsible zoom look very good as well at these prices.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

RichRMA, 6. I bet you forgot G10.

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bobbarber
By bobbarber (6 months ago)

The G6 has a much better video spec and video quality (I imagine) than the E-M10. The G6 does 1080 60p with full manual control, and only the GH2 and GH3 do better video (maybe) in Panasonic's lineup. If only stills matter to you, then yes, maybe the E-M10 is a better camera for you.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

Video matters to me too, but 30p is perfectly fine given that I am in the US and it has a good balance between smoothness and file size.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (6 months ago)

and i thought the 80s and it´s ugly design are long gone.....

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (6 months ago)

Henry, if you want to see a really ugly camera you can take a look at your own gear list. Probably the most ugly camera's ever made in the history of camera's. But such ugly body's fit really nice with even uglier lenses (the yellow-white ones and the plastic fantastic ones).

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

No.. just dormant. Beautiful designs stand the test of time. People will rediscover them sooner or later.

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jeremyclarke
By jeremyclarke (5 months ago)

Henry the most important problem with your suspended, uncapitalized thought is that it implies you didn't realize until this review that pre-digital camera design was having a comeback. Olympus, Fuji and Nikon have all been releasing retro-styled cameras for years. If there is a fastest growing style in camera design it is definitely the retro look.

You should ask yourself "does this imply I'm confused and unaware" before you post trolling comments about fashion.

Also: Those designs were the result of decades of aesthetic, structural and ergonomic evolution. Re-trying them now that we have full manufacturing control over materials makes a lot of sense.

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sean lee
By sean lee (6 months ago)

Hi, Guys. I have a question.
I am not professional photographer. Just like to take pictures.

Now I am using Canon t2i with EF 50mm F1.8, Sigma 30mm F1.4 and Sigma 10-20mm. I am satisfying with their IQ but I want to have little smaller body in retro style.
I was waiting if canon announce retro style SLR so I can keep the lenses I have now, but I don't think canon will announce and I am tire to keep waiting.

If I switch to Olympus E-M10 or Panasonic GM1, am I down grade or up grade? or just same grade in IQ?
Thank you,

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random78
By random78 (6 months ago)

In terms of raw sensor quality, you can expect E-M10 to be a bit better than the T2i, specially in terms of dynamic range. In terms of JPEG quality, you will see a bigger difference as olympus jpegs are excellent. In terms of lenses you could go with Olympus 45mm 1.8, Panasonic 25mm 1.4 and Olympus 9-18mm to replace your current lenses and each of these is superior optics compared to the lenses you have for canon. So you should get a gain in IQ. GM1 sensor falls short a bit and would be a little behind the T2i sensor though not by much. Plus panasonic jpegs and white balance are not that great.

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Cane
By Cane (6 months ago)

The 9-18 isn't a 10-20 replacement, as it isn't nearly wide enough. And it's not better. I am not sure how a body style from 1970 will make the photography better. It's doesn't come with bell bottoms.

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (6 months ago)

Hi, Sean.
I'd say it all depends on your definition of 'IQ'. You'll find little difference in most parameters, but the m4/3 cameras will possibly show some tendency to clip highlights and a bit more noise. I'd say the Olympus will perform marginally better in this respect. You should also be prepared for a 4:3 aspect ratio, rather than the 3:2 you're used to (you can always crop the pictures, of course) and, more importantly, you'll have a slow and erratic autofocus. (Trust me: I've been using m4/3 since 2011.)
All in all it will be a step sideways, except if you really crave retro that much. If I were you I'd be saving money for either the Sony Alpha 7 or the Nikon Df. They're way more expensive than the cameras you're considering, but you'll have better performance in all respects and, in the case of the Nikon, a proper viewfinder. If that's too steep for you, you'll be fine with either of the cameras, but I'd recommend the Olympus for its better ergonomics and integrated viewfinder.

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sean lee
By sean lee (6 months ago)

Thank you random78, Cane and ManuelVilardeMacedo.
It is nice to hear all your comments. ^^ ~
Auto focus speed is important to me, since I am using it most of time.
And it is good to hear that IQ of m4/3 is better than t2i.
I was very curious about....
Thank you all^^

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dmarko
By dmarko (6 months ago)

sean lee,
I don't know what m4/3 camera Manuel have been using but with my E-M5 I don't have any problems with blown highlights and autofocus is far from slow and erratic. It very fast and accurate.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (6 months ago)

The sensors in the Olympus and Panasonic are newer, which to DPR readers means better. If you are somewhat critical, you may see better dynamic range (less tendency to block highlights) with the newer cameras. Otherwise, the larger sensor and perfectly adquate lenses you have will give as good or better results. What these cameras offer is lighter weight, smaller size, and lots of new features, some of which are useful.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

ManuelVilardeMacedo : " the m4/3 cameras will possibly show some tendency to clip highlights and a bit more noise. I'd say the Olympus will perform marginally better in this respect. You should also be prepared for a 4:3 aspect ratio, rather than the 3:2 you're used to (you can always crop the pictures, of course) and, more importantly, you'll have a slow and erratic autofocus. (Trust me: I've been using m4/3 since 2011.)"

You are obviously stuck in 2011. Since the beginning of 2012 (E-M5) Olympus m43 cameras clip highlights LESS than Canon DSLRs (even FF, let alone APS-C) and their autofocus (in S-AF mode) is FASTER.

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

It's an upgrade. Image quality is gonna be at least the same. However, the T2i is more like an entry level body with small optical viewfinder and limited controls. The EM10 gives you two nice dials and customizable button functions. Touch shooting and very fast auto focus makes the camera a joy to use. And the body and lens will fit in a small bag. You'll love it.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

Hi mate .. deffinately go for this OMD-EM10
not just iQ but the whole photo taking experience will be another level higher!! Just try it in a good retail shop before buying ...

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ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (6 months ago)

peevee1: Your claim that micro 4/3 sensors perform better than full-frame is, to say the least, outlandish. It made my day. Thank you.

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Olymore
By Olymore (6 months ago)

They certainly outperform the Canon APSC sensors, even the latest one in the Canon 70D.
The dynamic range of the m43 sensor is around the same as the Canon Full Frame though the Full Frame will beat the m43 sensor in other areas like noise and colour depth.

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white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

I would go for the OM10 for convenience and ease of carrying it around for more photo opportunities but I wouldn't sell my Canon 5D Mk2 with the Zeiss lenses for when I want to take "ultimate" quality photos.

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carlisimo
By carlisimo (6 months ago)

You'll find that the autofocus is a downgrade, especially with objects moving towards or away from the camera, but other aspects are likely to be improvements over what you have now. I'm using an EM-5 with Panasonic's Summilux 25mm f/1.4. Not as narrow a depth of field as you get with f/1.4 on a larger-sensor camera, but just as much light. And the camera's excellent at higher ISO values than I'm used to.

Keep in mind that these cameras' small size is NOT due to being retro, but because they don't have a mirror (which means they're not SLRs).

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (6 months ago)

Modern CDAF autofocus in strong light for single shots is excellent, very fast and accurate in modern mirrorless cameras. What it isn't good at is tracking moving objects because it doesn't k ow whether they are closer or further, so it has to hunt until it finds the subject again. If it's moving fast it probably won't. They're also not great in low light because CDAF relies on contrast to determine sharpness (and thus focus). As light levels drop CDAF autofocus systems slow down, have to hunt more, and eventually may be unable to, confirm focus. Low contrast subjects are worst for this (unfoetunately that can include faces).

Anyhow, if you do most of your shooting in strong light and don't expect tracking of moving objects, there's a lot to like about the AF pwrformance of these cameras.

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sean lee
By sean lee (6 months ago)

wow!!
Thanks to all.
As peevee1 said, I think I am stuck in 2011.
I bought t2i about little more than 3 years ago, late 2010.
At that time Fujifilm x100 was announced and I wasn't give attention to it.
I think it is about time to let go my beloved camera t2i and look for EM-10.
Thank you to all^^~

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Orcker
By Orcker (6 months ago)

@Cane: Agree that the Oly 9-18 isn't as wide as the EF10-20, but corner to corner sharpness wise, the Oly beats the Canon hands down. It's one of the best ultra-wide zooms I have ever used at any price bracket. Plus it's just a really nice small lens for travel.

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jeremyclarke
By jeremyclarke (5 months ago)

Sean Lee, I'm in a very similar position to you. Own a Rebel 450D (2008) and am looking for an upgrade significant enough to justify the expense (since honestly the Rebel is still a great camera, and I the photographer am the real limitation not the camera).

In terms of image quality, go to the "Studio Scene Comparison (RAW)" section of the OM-D EM-5 review on this site and load up the your Rebel of choice as the comparison (also select a high ISO so you can see how noise compares):

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusem5/21

The performance of the EM-10 should be about equal to the EM-5, and to my eyes it has distinctly better noise handling than the t2i for sure, though they are comparable.

The big difference for me is the EVF (to avoid chimping) and the 2x2 dials/configuration options. Canon intentionally cripples the Rebels to maintain market for 7D, Olympus doesn't seem to have that strategy.

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Arahne27
By Arahne27 (6 months ago)

I think that there is a lot of in camera processing of published samples. There is no comparison between these pictures and EM-5. Simply EM-5 is way ahead better. Both situations were on bright days, obviously with different lenses. So, is it possible to run through camera settings again and switch off any in camera sharpening and noise reductions, when publishing review samples? It would be pity that such a nice camera produces low quality pictures.

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

Hello, it's the same sensor. There's won't be any real difference in quality when viewed in RAW. It's possible the JPEGs could look slightly different due to new processing engine. RAW should be almost indistinguishable if not identical.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (6 months ago)

What's the basis to claim raw files will be the same as EM5? The time when raw files were just unprocessed pixel levels are long gone. Every manufacturer nowadays doesn't serve raw, they cooks raw files, you may as well think about raw as yet another manufacturer specific image format.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (6 months ago)

Same sensor. Minor improvements tweaked on the EM-10 over the EM-5. Go compare the EM-5 and EM-1 here at DPReview. Negligible differences.

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Orcker
By Orcker (6 months ago)

The E-M10 uses the E-M1's processing engine and control engine with the sensor from the E-M5. What it means is that it has the E-M1's ability to automatically correct for lens chromatic aberration, as well as that funky diffraction limit correction. It also is able to tease out fine details without the slight overprocessing that the E-M5 with the earlier TruePic processor tends to do. So, JPEG wise, there's an improvement - maybe it's not visible in these early samples. If shooting RAW, Oly's raw converter retains these capabilities of the newer processing engine; you don't experience the auto CA or DL correction with 3rd party raw apps of course.

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mufflon
By mufflon (6 months ago)

cmon, whats that size comparison about?

nikon 18-140 vs 14-42mm?? WHY?
this would be the right test: http://camerasize.com/compact/#490.36,521.92,ha,t

in fact there are much smaller MFT lenses ->
http://camerasize.com/compact/#490.36,521.409,ha,t

thats a DRAMATIC size difference and this is in my opinion a fair comparison.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

mufflon - the 18-140 was all we had for the Nikon, so it's what we had to use. That said, those are the main kit lenses for those cameras (in the US market), so it's not that unfair.

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mufflon
By mufflon (6 months ago)

well, from that point of view it's maybe not that unfair, but i can't get the point of comparing two completely different lenses. btw. the olympus would look much better with the smaller lens in comparison to the fuji.

i understand your trouble with the lenses, but i think the 2 links of my last posting aren't that bad ;)
and i like the 18-140 but it's not the smallest lens on the market.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (6 months ago)

I once compared a Nikon 18-70 a $300 kit lens to a 4/3rds 14-42. The Olympus easily beat the Nikon then too.

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pacnwhobbyist
By pacnwhobbyist (6 months ago)

Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but unless you do a lot of critical low-light work and plan on spending money on additional lenses, I think the Stylus 1 is a better choice in this price bracket for most casual photographers. Not to say this is a poor choice or a bad camera, it's neither. But if you're willing to put up with a smaller (but still good) sensor and the limitations it has you get a lot of the features from the OM-D series and a nice constant aperture 28-300 lens. That sort of lens option just doesn't exist in the M 4/3rds realm right now.

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white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

I must agree with you. The Stylus 1 is a very useful camera to have especially for street photography where focal length cannot be certain. You only get the chance once for fleeting moments and the extra reach is very useful. One either get the shot or not. Perfect image quality is secondary although we would prefer it.

This may work for wildlife as well. I would still like to have the EM10 or a full frame DSLR for that better image quality when there is enough time to use it.

The Sylus 1 would be a good companion to the EM10 as it share the same battery making it an excellent backup camera. One can also use the same external flash.

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showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (6 months ago)

Words of wisdom. I wouldn't take my Nikon P7800 (same sensor size, 28-200mm lens) to a formal photo shoot but I use it almost every day for "fun" photography that regularly gives me publication-quality pics. I do some teaching and recommend beginners to start with a camera with a feature set that allows them to learn the trade but is (relatively) easy to use and comfortable to carry around. Upgrade to a more powerful, expensive, larger and heavyer system only when you are certain of your commitment to photography and your technique has surpassed your first camera (which you should keep as a spare anyway)

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citizenlouie
By citizenlouie (6 months ago)

You're not wrong, but I've seen quite a bit of Stylus 1's photos (it interested me while I was waiting for E-M10 to be announced), so I know its usable ISO range is limited. And due to smaller sensor, so for best photos, you'd be shooting near wide open (f/2.8) most of the time for best IQ, even with ample of light. If you're planning on using kit lens with E-M10, I think it'll be a difficult call between E-M10 and Stylus 10, if you plan on using them as travel cams. But if you are the kind who likes photographic control and pixel peeps, you might want to go for a m4/3 camera.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

"Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but unless you do a lot of critical low-light work and plan on spending money on additional lenses,"

ILCs don't make much sense without having at least 2 lenses (although even with 14-42 this camera will beat Stylus 1 in quality within its range). Thankfully, there is a huge choice of native m43 lenses (by far the biggest most complete non-FF lens system), if you are willing to pay the price . And you don't have to throw them out when your camera becomes broken or simply outdated.

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Orcker
By Orcker (6 months ago)

Hmm, I think there are folks who are just better off with the Stylus 1 if they already have a good interchangeable lens camera, SLR or Mirrorless. And for those with neither, it's about whether you'd ever want to be able to change lenses. The consideration is rather "apple and orange" really.

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Tripeiro
By Tripeiro (6 months ago)

In Norway the EM5 with the 12-50 will only cost 200NOK (25€) more than the EM10 with the new kit lens. Yes, the EM5 is at the end of its cycle, but the EM10 is pretty much just a downgraded EM5. Unless you really need Wifi or a built-in flash, I find it hard to justify to buy the EM10 over the superior EM5. Weird price policy from Olympus, at least in Norway.

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white shadow
By white shadow (6 months ago)

If you need a weather proof body, the EM5 is the way to go but if you need a casual camera for urban / travel use the EM10 with the built-in flash is very useful. I think the EM10 has a faster processor which will speed up everything. The slightly smaller body is also useful especially with the new pancake kit lens.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

out of em5 and em10 .. i would chose em10 .. easily!!

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BarnET
By BarnET (6 months ago)

Why?!
Worse ibis
No weathersealing
And what do you get in return.
An slightly higher res screen and the puny popup flash.

At the same price I would buy the old one.
But I take the gx7 over both at this time.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (6 months ago)

You give up weatherproofing that few rely on, a little-used accessory port, and ibis that is only slightly better. You get the convenient, if low-power built-in flash, a rear screen that is both slightly higher res and also brighter, a newer generation of processor that should speed up most operations at least a bit, and a very good WiFi implementation. All of that in a smaller body. For those of us who don't subject our gear to harsh weather, the E-M5 has not much to offer over the new camera. The fancier IBIS is fairly irrelevant except for hand-held shots at short distances, and then only for longer exposures. And even for those shots it is only a little better, not magic.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

Sorry BarnET, I couldn't read your comment before .. but I must say MarkInSF picked all the points very accurately!!

But smaller size, processor and Wifi are the main reasons!!
and I don't care about the flash or screen!!

have a good weekend!!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

I thought Oly had put this design behind them and expected a mini E-M1. why should they use this design again and again when they know how to make a better one?

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xMichaelx
By xMichaelx (6 months ago)

The are 2 totally separate product lines aimed at different types of users, obviously.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (6 months ago)

or two political groups within the company, one has a good design and the other has not.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

yabokkie, your trolling is just sad and tiring. The big grip from E-M1 has no sense with the tiny 14-42EZ kit or 9 mm BCL or any of the m43 primes and light zooms. But if you want it (for Pana 100-300 or the future Oly 40-150/2.8?), accessory grip is available.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (6 months ago)

@yabokkie huh? This is only the 2nd camera to use this design, how is that using it "again and again"?

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

Andy that's fine, Oly can use it again and again too .. if we like it!!

All Dslr's from either canon or nikon are following the same designs .. people adopt the system for these design differences, so why give up!!

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photosen
By photosen (6 months ago)

Looking good, seems like some smart product planning from Olympus: Nice camera with a few upgrades, at an even more accessible price point, and without diluting the EM-5 brand with a warmover. I found to my chagrin that these cameras are way too small for my hands, but they could work out with the grip.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

I just spotted something on the product photos.

The rubber eyepiece looks like a different design than the one on the EM5.

With any luck, it won't fall off as frequently!

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/olympus-om-d-e-m10/images/topcompare-EM5.jpg

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

This camera looks like it could be a great seller. Price is not cheap but it's doable for enthusiast shooters on a tighter budget. Yes, budget DSLRs are cheaper but few of us want to carry those behemoths around. Budget DSLRs are also crimpy on features with smaller view finders, less dials, less functionality, and less direct controls. They are just plain not enjoyable to shoot with.

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Jogger
By Jogger (6 months ago)

Funny thing is that the only place where mirrorless have gained any real traction is Japan, where they like small novel things and where Gundam-themed DSLRs are viable. Heck, even the Nikon 1 sells well there.

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

Yes, mirrorless doesn't sell well in USA but those who buy them actually use them. Nothing like buying a $600 DSLR and having it collect dust because they are just a pain to carry around anywhere.

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andy amos
By andy amos (6 months ago)

With all these retro, whoops, I mean, cool hipster style, cameras coming out it looks like a good excuse to do an "external-Dial-control" group test later on this year! Oh, and include the Konica Minolta 7D just for good measure, it would be fun to see what we actually get after 10 years of "technical advances"!

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wetsleet
By wetsleet (6 months ago)

The thing the camera is interfacing with, Jo/e Bloggs, has not advanced that much in the last ten years. Not that much has changed with regards to fingers and thumbs that would mandate a move away from external dials. The tech behind the interface, of course that has changed, but it remains behind the interface.

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Zedex10R
By Zedex10R (6 months ago)

This is a really exciting camera I can hardly wait to get mine...!

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Retzius
By Retzius (6 months ago)

I know all the Olympus shooters think they have something to complain about but you don't. At least Olympus actually creates lenses, announces them, release them, and continues to provide you with usable products.

Meanwhile, in Nikon land, we have been waiting for a wide angle DX prime lens for about 10 years or so. That right, not an improved lens or a better lens, just A LENS period.

Meanwhile, in Nikon land, we have been waiting for the D300 to be updated for about 6 years or so. Thats right, SIX YEARS.

Meanwhile, in Nikon land, this years updated camera bodies are the same ones from last year just without a OPF filter. The Liveview still focuses slower than an 80s camera, there is no live view histogram, you can't change aperture while shooting video because that would require a new part, and the viewfinders on the low and midrange bodies are like tiny tunnels.

If you want the right to complain, come to Nikon land. There is much to actually complain about :)

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G1Houston
By G1Houston (6 months ago)

This is why many of us start to buy m4/3 cameras!

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (6 months ago)

Yes indeed, Nikon sucks! They just redesigned 35mm FF lens after 25 years....

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Entropius
By Entropius (6 months ago)

Meanwhile I switched from Olympus to Nikon waiting on a proper telephoto... if Olympus made a 300 f/4 I'd be using m4/3.

Olympus, for all of its marketing bloopers, has always made nice equipment.

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icexe
By icexe (6 months ago)

"Meanwhile I switched from Olympus to Nikon waiting on a proper telephoto... if Olympus made a 300 f/4 I'd be using m4/3."

I solved that problem with a $15 adapter for my OM-D.

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Retzius
By Retzius (6 months ago)

Nice move. Now you have a complete system.

In the meantime, Nikon released the 18-140 for Dx. Makes sense really, because the 18-55, 18-70, 18-105, 18-135, 18-200, and 18-300 were not enough...

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Team Yeti
By Team Yeti (6 months ago)

Yup. One more reason I ditched Nikon and went elsewhere. They (and Canon) had better start looking ahead instead of resting on their laurels. Tech is moving so fast they are likely to be left in the dust. Granted, they make good quality glass, but as we saw with Kodak, remaining stagnant to please your shareholders doesn't typically end well.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

" if Olympus made a 300 f/4"

Olympus has 90-250/2.8 and 300/2.8 if you are willing to pay the price. With E-M1 it even focuses quickly.

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PORTRAIT
By PORTRAIT (6 months ago)

Does anyone know/read if it have the electronic shutter ala Panasonic? to eliminate eventually any SS?

Cheers.
Marco.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (6 months ago)

No it doesn't.

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RolliPoli
By RolliPoli (6 months ago)

Will it focus properly with my regular 4/3 lenses?

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photobeans
By photobeans (6 months ago)

No. It doesn't have the EM1 sensor. Besides, this one has focus peaking for manual shooting.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

It will focus just as fast as every other M4/3 camera except the EM1. Which is to say.... not too bad for the CDAF lenses, but painfully slow for the others.'

The EM1 is the only M4/3 camera with PDAF on the sensor chip.

So far....

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

not with regular 4/3 but the m4/3 will get faster focus due to improved processor

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WhyNot
By WhyNot (6 months ago)

Interesting, but the M10 just appears to by another mFT camera with little to grab our attention... AND when did a $700 camera become a "budget" camera???

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

ofcourse it will be another m43 because it is m43!!
and you tell us why not!!

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (6 months ago)

WhyNot...

If you want a plastic camera with a two lens kit for $599, then head straight to Costco and ask to see their entry level Nikon or Canon DSLR. They will be happy to sell you one.

There really is no such thing as a cheap MILC camera, unless you buy one that was discontinued, refurbished or used. MILC users obviously don't mind the price, since they could have gotten a plastic Canon or Nikon cheaper, and chose not to.

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jeremyclarke
By jeremyclarke (5 months ago)

Isn't $700 what Canon usually charges for a new Rebel when it comes out? That's the definition of budget in the viewfinder+ILC camera space right?

The EM-10 is a bit more expensive, but compared to Canon it's amazing how little Olympus removed from the EM-10 compared to the EM-1. Canon cripples the Rebels with limited focus points, a single control wheel and drastically reduced firmware compared to similar XXD and XD models.

With the EM-10 Olympus is showing that they are both willing to make the OM-D accessible to the masses (something no one knew for sure a month ago, when I had to write them off because I wanted a sub-$1k camera with a viewfinder) and that they are willing to make the best camera they can for the price. As a Canon customer looking to jump ship this is huge news.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (6 months ago)

How many years it has been? And finally Oly released a competitor to the Panasonic's Gn line.

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G1Houston
By G1Houston (6 months ago)

Richard, in your final review, please tell us:

1. Can we use EC, in M-mode when auto-ISO is enabled?
2. In Movie mode, set to M-mode, can we use auto-ISO?
3. Is there any banding issue with the Pan 20/1.7?
4. Can the 3-axis IBIS be used during videos?
5. The video quality in terms of lack of artifacts. I can live with 30p as long as the footage is of reasonable high quality that is sharp and clean.

Thanks.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

I'll write those down - I was planning to cover Auto-ISO in manual mode in the preview, but ran out of time. I'll see which of those I can address when I get into the office.

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G1Houston
By G1Houston (6 months ago)

Thanks. Hopefully this can finally convince Olympus and Panasonic how useful this feature is.

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Richard Butler
By Richard Butler (6 months ago)

No Exposure Comp in Manual, I'm afraid.

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mcshan
By mcshan (6 months ago)

Richard, Enjoyed the preview. Thanks.

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ginsbu
By ginsbu (6 months ago)

Thanks for checking on exposure comp in manual (w/Auto-ISO), Richard. Please keep nagging Olympus about it!

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G1Houston
By G1Houston (6 months ago)

"No Exposure Comp in Manual, I'm afraid."
Panasonic is even worse since they don't even enable auto-ISO in M-mode. I wonder why, since auto-ISO is already implemented in other modes. Are there any technical reasons why auto-ISO/EC in M-mode are complicated to add or is this just ignorance on their part?

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goblin
By goblin (6 months ago)

Part of Olympus' ten commandments to their engineers:

... ... ...

- Thou shalt never, EVER, put all the nice goodies on the same camera model !!!

If your clients scream and beg for an on-board flash (even if it's only for using it as an RC commander for slave flashes) - thou shalt give them some ugly, breakage and loss prone external monstrosity.

Thou shalt give a nice, on-board flash only to the mid-tier cameras, which lack the other goodies.

Thou shalt remember how it was done on the E-P3 <> E-PL3 couple ! One came with a touch screen, the other - with an articulated screen and an on-board flash !

Thou shalt remember - NEVER ALL THE GOOD THINGS TOGETHER !!!

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (6 months ago)

Agreed! Olympus, please reconsider adding in camera flash to the next version of this or the EPL series. One of the best features of my older EPL1, however I really like the new EM10 for all the new modern features. I can live with attaching a flash, but would prefer it coming out from in camera for ultimate convenience. Rest of the new camera is great plus price.

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Zedex10R
By Zedex10R (6 months ago)

It has a built in FLASH !! did you not read the spec.

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goblin
By goblin (6 months ago)

NT

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Adrian Van
By Adrian Van (6 months ago)

My mistake. I see the built in flash. Good work Olympus.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (6 months ago)

There IS a built in flash.

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veroman
By veroman (6 months ago)

This is about as unexciting a camera as I've seen released by any M4:3 maker in quite some time.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (6 months ago)

Well, considered Olympus pricing policy as of late, at least hte release price of E-M10 is exciting. ;-)

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (6 months ago)

but this is exactly a camera many of us wanted!!

it added wifi to em5, shrink its size and give it more pocketable kit lens!! that's all I wanted ..

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