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Nikon D810 Shooting Experience (continued)

By Barnaby Britton

More and More and Moiré...

There is no such thing as a free lunch, as the expression goes. To non-native English speakers that aphorism might not make any sense, but basically it means that you don't get anything for nothing - there's always a price to pay in the end. In the D810, the price you'll pay for its astonishing detail resolution is occasional moiré in your pictures.

If you've got so far as to read a first-impressions review of the Nikon D810 on dpreview.com, you probably already know what moiré is, but in case you're unfamiliar with the term, it describes the stripes of false color in areas of very fine detail, visible in digital images from some cameras. Most digital cameras have anti-aliasing filters to built into their sensors, the job of which is to slightly blur the image falling onto the sensor, to minimise the risk of moiré patterning in images. If you've been paying attention you'll know by now that the D810 has no AA filter, to maximise resolution.

As a consequence, moiré is obvious in some images from the D810, in areas where we've come to expect it - the fine weave of fabrics (as shown above, in a converted raw file), distant architectural details and so on. The effect is mostly subtle (you'll see it if you hit 100% view and go searching) but sometimes it's impossible to ignore. Typically, in our experience it's most problematic if you're taking pictures that include fabric.

What does this mean? Well, if you're a D800 owner who shoots portraits, fashion or weddings, the D810 might not be a good upgrade for you. The extra resolution may not be worth the inevitable penalty in moiré in some images and the time spent dealing with it in post-processing. If landscape photography is your thing though, or macro, or some types of architectural work, the D810 is Nikon's best DSLR yet when it comes to pulling the maximum amount of detail possible out of a scene.

And this is not only because of the lack of AA filter - Nikon has also made noticeable improvements to mirror dampening which means that you're more likely to be able to get the befit of the D810's high-resolution sensor when shooting in a range of environments - not just at carefully chosen apertures on a tripod. You can read more about that in our page dedicated to a quick look at 'shutter shock'.

Highlight-weighted metering and dynamic range

One of the things we came to value most from the D800 and D800E's sensor (and the closely-related sensor used in Sony's A7R) is its exceptionally good dynamic range, especially when it comes to detail recovery from shadow areas. The D810 is (as expected) at least as good in this respect as its forebears. When shooting with the D810 in contrasty situations, it is entirely practical to routinely underexpose by as much as -2EV in Raw mode to protect highlight tones and then simply push up the shadows later, in software.

Original JPEG
(ISO 64, accidental -2EV exp. comp)
Adjusted Raw

In the shot above, I actually did this exact thing, but accidentally. With -2EV set from a previous image, I had forgotten to return the EV bias to zero and accidentally took a series of images of this crop dusting plane with severe underexposure. I can't do much with the JPEGs (it is possible to brighten the midtones but the highlights lose saturation and noise becomes an issue in the shadows) but the Raw files just opened right up in Adobe Camera Raw 8.6, with some basic global shadow and highlight adjustment.

Had I been really concentrating at the time I took the picture above, I would probably have dialled in a touch of exposure adjustment anyway, but it's immensely reassuring to have this ability to 'rescue' an underexposed image if you simply (as I thought I had) mess up the original shot.

Highlight-weighted metering is a new metering mode in the D810 designed to allow you to take advantage of the camera's wide dynamic range. It works by deliberately doing what I accidentally did in the crop duster shot - biasing the exposure for highlight retention, which results in general underexposure of midtone and shadow areas (to differing degrees depending on the subject).

JPEG (3D Matrix metering)
JPEG (Highlight-priority metering)
Raw (Highlight-priority metering after adjustment)

For Raw shooters working in difficult lighting conditions - Nikon gives the example of music or theatre settings, but really this means any situation where you're trying to capture a wide tonal range - highlight-weighted metering makes a lot of sense. It effectively gives you one less thing to worry about at the point of capture, assuming of course that you're comfortable spending some time on post-capture adjustment.

Split-screen Zoom in Live View mode

Depending on how you work, you'll either never use the D810's new split-screen zoom feature or you'll love it immediately.

Misaligned (left-leaning)
Level
Misaligned (right-leaning)

Intended as a leveling guide for live view operation, split-screen view allows you to define two points in your image, on the left and right, which are parallel to one another. It then displays them side-by-side on the live view screen. You can move the points inwards, outwards and up and down across the image area, and make them bigger or smaller as desired. This is supremely useful when it comes to leveling horizons, architectural or structural subjects, as well as the dpreview studio test scene!

'Flat' Picture Control mode

New in the D810 is a 'flat' Picture Control mode specifically aimed at videographers, which delivers a lower contrast, more linear tone curve file which is better suited to post-capture adjustment in video editing software. There have long been third-party custom Picture Controls floating around the Internet for people who want to add more than the default selection to their Nikon DSLR, but no doubt the addition of a new 'standard' will be welcomed in some quarters.

'Standard' Picture Control

1920x1080 24p, MOV, 10 sec, 116 MB Click here to download original file

'Flat' Picture Control

1920x1080 24p, MOV, 12 sec, 116 MB Click here to download original file

These two files, shot using the Flat and Standard Picture Control settings should give you some idea of the different renderings you can expect when shooting video in either mode using the D810. The 'Standard' rendition has a lot more 'pop' but thanks to the comparatively high contrast there's not much scope for tonal adjustment. The 'Flat' footage, on the other hand is a better starting point if you want to spend some time 'grading' the footage and applying tone curves to footage after it's been captured.

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BobFoster

As I see the camera makes H264 8 bit 4:2:0 35Mbps video at 60 FPS. It would be nice to see a sample at 24/25 FPS to know if there is an improvement over the D800 which recorded at only 24Mbps.

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mg428

Moreover, they have just released their weekly newsletter and this time it doesn't say anything about D810. Besides, now this preview is not accessible through the Reviews tab on the home page!

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mg428

7D Mark II review is on. That camera was announced later than D810. This is really ridicilous!

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lorenzo de medici

I purchased a D810 based on this web site's preview and based on several other more reliable (not owned by a retailer) reviewers. After using it for a month or so, I can say that it's a significant improvement over the D800/E, the mirror and shutter assembly are very quiet, and they have fixed the mirror/shutter vibration issue that sometimes caused slight blurring of images at very high magnification. At 36MP, everything has to be just right - lens, camera, technique - or you will see an effect on the image, that would be invisible at 16 or 20 MP.
So if anyone is still waiting for DPR before buying this camera, don't wait. It's a great camera, and it does everything Nikon says it does with no bad habits. It's just not a forgiving camera, but I don't suppose that any 36MP full frame camera would be.
Regarding rebates, I'm guessing that Nikon's worldwide production of this model doesn't support any rebates. I haven't seen any offered, and I doubt that there will be.

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NikonStephen

I repeat, I appreciate that it will take time to write a review to the level we expect from DPreview but bloomin heck the 'first impressions was July, and tomorrow in December 1st. Santa realt reallt needs to know what I want!

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NikonStephen

Hello. I realise that producing the detailed performance analysis that DPreview creates will of course take time, but I am sure many would be keen to see the full D810 review soon. Santa needs to know what I want!

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munro harrap

The D810 seems OK, BUT and it is big BUT, looking at the file sizes here the D810 file sizes are so much bigger than the D800/800E's for the same image at the same ISO- i.e. 74.3 MB @100 (D810) as against the 43.6MB @ 100 of the D800E,
that there really must be something very odd going on, as this means 4/7ths the number of shots to a card and vastly increased (by 4/7ths again) use of and consumption of Hard Drive Space, plus slower to work with files- that I as a user of Lightroom 4 and Elements 11 am unable to open with even the most recent updates- and I note with bitterness and rancour that Capture NX2 does NOT open D810 RAW files at all.
Are the original files here at compressed as against uncompressed? or 12 instead of 14 bit- what IS going on please????

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balico

Surely the settings for recorded files are not similar. With "lossless compressed raw" setting, I get files of maximal 45MB with my D810. I suppose yours is set to "Uncompressed raw" instead!
Capture NX2 doesn't support the Nikon D810, you can download Capture NX-D instead (which is free) to open the files.

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munro harrap

These figures come straight from the above Image Quality compared of the preview! They are Dpreview's own results of the same subject still life (above if you are on the right page of the preview- Studio Scene, Image Comparison tool) with the D810 and D800E set to RAW at 100 ISO. Take a look, the size difference is huge.
I do not have an 810, but if I was about to buy one this file size increase would put me off. I have an i7 with 16Gb ram and its just about enough with the 800's files. With the 810 you'll need 24Gb or 32Gb Ram to be as efficient, surely?

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balico

Surely they have the D800E and D810 at different settings then in their test. I checked my files and although I have some raw's of 50MB (fine details), most of them are around 40-45MB at full resolution and the camera set to "lossless compressed raw".

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balico

Another thing that is not correct in this preview is that for AE bracketing a maximum difference between shots is specified as 1EV, my D810 clearly is able to shoot 5 shots at 2EV difference!
Seems like the preview was somewhat rushed and now we are still waiting for the full review..

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DenWil

"We" are still waiting for a full review?

You bought it and you still need validation from someone else.

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balico

@DenWil; It is like a gear fetish ;)

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Galbertson

Den,very much many of us waiting for full review, as we are the D750.

But agree, if i had either or both in hand(the D750 an ideal second body), i certainly would end my use of DP Review, would go out and get lost in shapes and color, a waste of energy to look back.

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Black Box

"To non-native English speakers that aphorism might not make any sense, but basically it means that you don't get anything for nothing - there's always a price to pay in the end."

Seriously?

Barney, you need to ALWAYS assume the worst - that your readers are smarter than you.

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Black Box

Best buy says this camera has 7fps. True or false?

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mg428

In the October the 29th newsletter Barney says he is "writting the conclusion to the review", and now saying in today's most recent newsletter that he is "putting the finishing touches".

Even though I mostly agree with lorenzo, I really wonder whether dpreview would support the claim of less shake -due to the new mirror box mechanism and shutter- with some scientific methods, if there exist any, and set forth how much difference there is. So far other user and website reviews lack these aspects-- they merely say there is less shake.
.

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mg428

Here comes November, and the review is still not out!

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lorenzo de medici

DPR has really dragged their feet getting this review out, for unknown reasons. Oh well, that's life with Nikon. There are enough user reviews and reviews on other sites similar to DPR, that whatever Barney has to say now will be quite irrelevant.

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balico

Yes it is strange, the D810 is after the D800(E) a revolution in digital photography, but it takes ages to get a full review out!

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Galbertson

No, it does not take ages to compile full review. Much of its data already out, well tested. It truly odd such an important camera to many photographers would be on hold to review. Then throw in lack of full review of D750, another great camera.

Christmas marketing season here NOW.

Hey, DPR very large corpoate linked company, most reviews are in some way.

Maybe Canon putting delay on Nikon full reviews, knowing full well how D750 and D810 would eat into early Christmas purchases.

Santa, it's on my list.

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mg428

I've just learned that dpreview is owned by amazon.com, and now I can clearly see why the review has not been published yet. Apparently they want to deliberately coincide the review with the Holiday Season to increase the sales.

While doing this, in today's newsletter they, again, state that they "are putting finishing touches to our review of the Nikon D810". They have been putting those magic touches for almost a month!! If I were them, I would not mention anything about D810 in those newsletters because they are acting us as if we are fools. What a shame!

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Galbertson

Mg428
Wow, rather depressing news. Easy to imagine how Amazon.com would compile great intellect to manipulate camera sales. If true that Nikon difficult to deal with, can imagine why DP Review/Amazon.com holds back on D810/D750 reviews. As it stands, Nikon has two great cameras, easy buys for large number of photographers.

Maybe Canon owned by Amazon??? :-o

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Guy F

I've been waiting for the full review too. But at this point, I'll just wait for the D810S since it should be out very soon. ;-)

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Mr G Clips

I just purchased the D810 and started to compare it with my D800. By first feel, there are quite a few differences, so I think this upgrade is indeed, a quite significant one.

The grip is much more secure, the Metering button relocation makes sense, the BKT is also easy to reach, the new LCD is brighter and sharper, the viewfinder display is also better and clear looking, the ISO performance is better, the camera's shutter is MUCH more quiet, the processing is faster and so is the auto-focus and the frame-rate, which in DX mode is plenty enough for general sports photography even.

Though the D810 looks more or less as a D800, yet, I feel as the two are not the same at all. Like the D810 was/is a different and much better camera.

I'm probably going to try and sell my D800 if I can for a reasonable price, but it may be a challenge right now due to D810 and the D750.

Downside: So far, the one and only issue I see is "purple" tones on the images in the dark areas.

That's it... :)

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Aneek

Thanks for your personal input! But why do you think the images are a little purple in the blacks? I know with the D750, i was experiencing greenish tints on my images in the LCD monitor. So I changed my brightness, but then found the problem to be a WB problem. This purple-ish tint isn't a problem like that, is it?

Thanks!

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balico

Mr G Clips is right, try shooting at high iso, 6400 or 12800 slightly underexposed, adjust exposure during raw development and see the purple appear, mainly at the frame borders!

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Hauer

Wonder as to when we can expect an in-depth review of the D810. Afterall the preview was in July and it is now... October! There was a time that DPReview "shined" in this respect. Just an observation...

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mg428

+1.

I am especially interested in dpreview's observation or even better technical analysis comparing D800/E and D810 in terms of camera shake due to the new mirror box and shutter mechanism employed in D810. So far other reviews or users say it is better, but we don't know how much better. I believe we cannot know this unless some technical analysis including solid numbers is carried out.

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Galbertson

My primary reason to buy D810 is its electronic first curtain for best IQ. But I shoot mostly in live view exposure preview and above review states electronic first curtain not available in live view. How might that effect my IQ? Is there a workaround? I normally shoot 4X5, enjoying taking my time to get to image i want.

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HFLM

@Galbertson:To use EFC in live view
1. Activate EFC in the menu
2. Switch to MLU mode on the upper left dial
Then activate the shutter TWICE:
1. First time to reset the sensor,
2. Second time to take the picture.
If you set exposure delay to e.g. 2 seconds, you only need to press once, as far as I know.

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Galbertson

Hflm.
Thanks much for you answer. My guess i would use 2 second delay to keep any finger on shutter button movement. Can it be sent forlonger delay? Of course, i maybe could use remote release...but would prefer shutter delay to keep process simpler.

Thanks again!

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Galbertson

Hflm,
I forgot to mention before shuttering will be in live exposure preview. I only use lcd, only in full manual mode, much preferring to see constant effect on image as i juggle preferences of shutter speed(1/4-1/15 second mostly), ISO! And f stop. I am often critisized for not using evf and graphs/histograms. Just how I prefer to shoot.

In other words, can i use your technique if I am in live exposure preview?

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Galbertson

Could anyone tell me process to use older AI/AIS manual lenses? I know perameters of lens must be set in non lens menu. Does save data for my 24, 35 and 105mm lenses? Is/can data be recalled by camera buttons?

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LeanderL

I handled a D750 yesterday for a couple of minutes. I was considering it to replace my D700. But that is not going to work for me.
It felt so much smaller and less comfortable in my hands. Also the finder seemed much dimmer and smaller (don't know if that is only my perception).
In all the D700 is in a totally different class. So I am looking at the D810 again, even though the 36MB files are a bit too much for my taste.

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Patrick Dodds

I've been looking for something to replace my D700's and, when I saw what the D750 was, bought a D810. It's early days but I haven't been disappointed so far. I used the 810 alongside a 700 at a wedding last week and, when post-processing, I have been surprised how much nicer (less noise, and obviously far more definition and a greater ability to crop) the D810 files are. So much so, in fact, that I'm thinking of selling both 700s and buying another 810. File size is a bit of an issue but the advantages brought by the newer camera in terms of picture quality significantly outweigh this issue, at least IMO - YMMV.
One thing - a Sigma 35mm 1.4 doesn't seem as sharp on the D810 so I'm going to have to look into that.
One other advantage that occurs to me - the quieter shutter is a godsend!

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balico

The 36MP files (35-45MB) of the D810 (D800) are not to much at all!
I came from D300 which has the same 12MP as the D700. I am very happy with the resolution of the D810. Even with a significant crop there is still more resolution left then with 12MP.
Buy a 4TB drive (only US$149) and you can store around 100K photo's..

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balico

@Patrick Dodds; My Sigma 35mm 1.4 had very disappointing sharpness as well on my D810 (especially at f/1.4). I bought the Sigma dock and recalibrated the lens, now it is my favorite lens..

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Galbertson

Do not have d810 in hand...yet. Have downloaded both d810 and d750 users manual. The d750 seems to have limitations in Live View mode regarding live exposure preview. It will not totally show image in all scenarios, such as extreme low light. Has anyone compare the two cameras Live View exposure preview differences? I rarely use histogram, preferring to see my manual settings on lcd.

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JohnD5100

How is the audio quality from it, and what is the video sampling quality?

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Derrick Siu
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Sundu21

Awesome.

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JohnD5100

Thanks, you two made me curious :-)

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PeterFree

I don't know what you are doing with your lens in the studio test, but you are not getting the maximum out of the Nikon D800E/D810 compared to other AA filter equipped sensor cameras, the D800 being the first example. One does have to have the right glass and the correct technique to get these AAlfree sensors to really shine and you are not accomplishing this. Done correctly with the right glass and the difference is HIGHLY visible at 100%. DxO Mark rates the resolution increase at 30% and it is definitely visible in many other comparisons. Something is not right in your testing...

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luigibozi

hi guys
could anybody explain to me how does this
"Viewfinder type: Optical (tunnel)"
work?
It's a typo in the article?!

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Galbertson

Greetings,
Been researching intensly D810. Also D610 , but does not have Live View exposure preview...what a stupid deletion.

Does anyone know if new iPhone soon to be released work as as external monitor directly out of hdmi port?

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olyflyer

Ask that question on an iPhone forum.

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Galbertson

My question is not directed toward general iPhone users, nor is it directed toward general D810 users, but to the many, many D810 users who have experience with external monitors and might understand technical data within present and the future iPhone about it's compatability as external monitor. That question fits this forum much better than on Apple forums.

If a iPhone buyer knew of this, he would not rush out to buy a $3,500 camera...but if a D810 owner knew the $150 iPhone he had or could soon buy would work as external, he just might rush out to buy.

I will be buying D810 soon. Have researched external monitors. If iPhone worked as external monitor, i would wait to buy new iPhone 8.

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Galbertson

This is best logical forum to ask D810 users if they are using or plan on using iPhone 8 as their external monitor

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PBear2

check out " idisplay" it might be a solution, maybe some workaround somewhere.

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ihv

Indeed, the lack of the exposure preview seems to be weird.
I wonder if that could be implemented later on in the firmware?

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Galbertson

No exposure preview??? In specs it states it has Live View preview. I would not contemplate this camera if I could not see my shutter speed/f stop/ISO settings before capture.

Quite some time ago, rejected purchase of Nikon D5300 because it did not have live view preview, only histogram before capture. I believe most, perhaps all, pro level FF cameras have live view preview. The D810 certainly a pro camera.

Will certainly dig into this, need to confirm before i purchase.

BUT, maybe you were referring to lack of live exposure preview in D610, which is true. Have yet to hear of any camera that live view preview added with update.

Nice to hear D750 has it, amongst other improvements over D610. Might even sway away from D810...but D750 has AA filter.

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ihv

Looks like the exposure preview on the live view is there in the D810 by pressing the 'ok' button.

However didn't catch that in the manual for movie mode (maybe just got unnoticed when browsing quickly).

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munro harrap

With no filters sharpening is unecessary, but colour tends to improve with NX2- better than Adobe.

Is anyone using Capture One with theirs?

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Coliban

Hmm, when i consult the studio scene, the IQ of the D800E is better than that of the D810. I would expect the IQ of the D810 should be better. It is clear when you compare the test charts at the left and bottom corners. Is this a result of this special setup, I can't imagine that the D810 performance is below the D800E.

Or do I misinterpret something

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RichyjV

The raw processing software manufacturers take some time to really get the most out of the conversion, so while it is supported now it should get better over time. I'm a D800E owner and I would expect to see a very small difference in favour of the D810 after a few months.

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Coliban

@RichyjV
RAW is the RAW data, from the sensor and needs no big conversions, once the data I captured, I compared the raw data. The process which is constantly improved is the jpg-conversion. Off course all processes are improved, but the raw data is the data the sensor delivers, without fundamental conversions.

Maybe I am wrong, but it seems to me, in this studio scene, that the IQ of the D810 is worse than the IQ of the D800E and even other cameras.

Can you confirm that?

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Willie

RAW data is RAW data, but computers cant directly display RAW files. The RAW files have to be converted to something that can be viewed.

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marc petzold

To get the most out of the D810, just like any other Nikon DSLR, you need a Nikon-based RAW Converter - "generic" ones like ACR into PS or LR doesn't show the full potential the Sensor is capable of.

@Willie

RAW is not simple RAW, each Brand does their own format, and some RAW files are pre-cooked inside the DSLR/DSLM, and the IQ varies with different RAW converters.

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MikeF4Black

@Marc: do you mean that switching for my D800E from my current LR4.4 to NX2 would show a noticeable improvement?

That is of interest to me, as I'm in the process of getting a new laptop and possibly a separate screen (Eizo 24?).

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Coliban

@marc

I have already a "Nikon based raw converter" I own the D800E and I've downloaded the RAW-files of D810, D800E and compared them. But I can't see much difference in IQ between them.

Besides that, what is the advantage in buying for a higher price a camera, which has no advantages in IQ, no matter, if the camera or the raw converter is responsible or not, if the user is not able to benefit from the higher price.

Regards

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marc petzold

@Mike4Black LR4 vs CNX2 (it's into german, my bad - but you can see the sample comparsions) http://www.foto-just.de/vgl_raw.0.html

@Coliban That's a very good question from you, indeed. Besides the slightly detail improvements of the D810, your D800E is a very good DSLR. My best Nikon currently is only a DX-based D7000, and i have a FF A7 Sony, too. The D810 is no revolution,
but a slightly evolution of the D800(E) concept. When you compare the D800E & D810, they're way close together with DxOMark, for some ppl it's worth to upgrade to the D810 because of many minor enhancements. Enjoy your great D800E Nikon.

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MikeF4Black

@Marc, vielen Dank; I can read German!

Cheers (Schüsz?),

Michiel

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marc petzold

Alright, nice. ;) Cheers!

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HFLM

The difference of D800E to D810 is there, but requires the best lenses to be visible. I subscribed to diglloyd.com. He has a very thorough test comparing both. The D810 is slightly sharper (could be sensor filter stack), but it's very close. The main advantage is autofocus improvement, LCD, EFCS amongst others. I really like my D810 and have problems now using our D610 or XT1, as the D810t is just mazing in most respects and the other cameras feel like toys compared to it.

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Galbertson

Question regarding tripods for D810.

I am accustome d to large, heavy tripods for my 4X5. Since D810 has mirror up and electronic first curtain, can i use a much lighter tripod? I am used to working slowly, giving time for camera to settle down. Also will only be shooting 24-105mm lenses. How light can i go and still make full IQ of 36 mp?

My guess if i purchased light Sony A7R, would need my 4X5 tripod to settle down its agressive shutter shake.

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TBImages

The answer to this question may be obvious to those on this forum exceptionally familiar with the engineering details of the D810, not so much for me....

Is there an impact on dynamic range, noise, etc. when using the D810 in something other than full resolution mode? 20 megapixel or 9 megapixel mode for example?

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R Vaquero

At least noise is less visible shooting with lower resolutions, don't know about DR

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StevenMajor

OK DPR we've been patient. it's been 2 + months since the this first impressions review was published. Where is the review? Have you found something that Nikon would not like to see in print? Have politics intervened? Are you just overworked? Understaffed? What could it be that delays publishing the test results of this marvel?

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mayurgogoi

May be DPR will be more cautious before giving 80+!Because after DPR giving Gold Ratings to FUJI FILM XT1--light leak discovered--same is happened in case of NIKON 610D--even some users complains about 610 WHEN THEY TRAVEL TO HIMALAYAS--

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Hasa

Viz. the lab report: To me it looks like the raw images of the D810 are the same as the raw images of the D800. This should not be so. I would like to suggest that dpreview stop using the 50mm lenses of Canon, Nikon and Sony and use the 55mm Zeiss Otus instead on tests of all 3 brands. This is not a lens test. It purports to be a sensor test. How can it be a sensor test when the D8xx sensors outresolve Nikon's 50mm lenses by a far margin?
I guess people who upgrade to 810 also have Zeiss lenses and they would like to see what more they will get from the 810 that they do not already have in the D800 (e). If time permits: The Zeiss 15mm, 50mm and 135mm would be good choices. ( I only have the 35mm F2 ). This test would also show us what more we get from 36 Mpix that we do not already have from the 20-24 Mpix range. ( I have a good idea - but that is not a professional's opinion ).

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MarekPyka

Your comment is well taken, if the sensor outpaces the lens, then a test is pointless. Also, a single lens across all platforms would rule out differences being attributable to having used different lenses. Very important to control this source of review error. I hope DP takes your advice. And as I seriously hesitate to buy without having had an in-depth review by DP, sure would be nice to see it soon!!!

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jerrywielo

Nikon’s service advisory for thermal issue (white dots) during long exposures with the D810 camera...

Read more on NikonRumors.com: http://nikonrumors.com/2014/08/19/nikons-service-advisory-for-thermal-issue-white-dots-during-long-exposures-with-the-d810-camera.aspx/#ixzz3AqgPMT6x

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Love nic

I am considering D810 and like to know if the lens I am thinking about a single lens for general photography is good choice. I am thinking of Nikon AF-S FX 24-70/2.8D.

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StevenMajor

For 3oz and $ 700 less the Tamron is better says DXO lens testing.

http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses

The site requires searching but the test info is there...for every worthy lens

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duttind

I went for the Tamron 24 700 f2.8 could'nt have been happier

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HFLM

Cameralabs has a very good comparison: http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikon_vs_Tamron_24-70mm_comparison/. I tested both, find the Nikon focuses faster and behaved better when shooting into the sun. As to DXO: look at the curves: Tamron is better for wide angle shots, wheres Nikon takes over from 50-70mm, so depends on your needs.
Another thing: if you want to use fine tuning, only ONE lens of a non-Nikon company can be tuned. All others use the same preset (or you remember it and set it to the desired value everytime you shoot). In case you add a macro or other lens, it's good to know that.

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Galbertson

Hoping to get D810 soon, use my pro AI manual lenses.

I know i will need to get into menu to set up for non cpu lenses. Do i have to go back into menu every time i change lenses, or does connections and memory in camera remember the lens attached? It would be frustrating and time consuming if have to dive into menu to make settings every lens change. If so, might be forced to buy new set of lenses.

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StevenMajor

Concerning Lab Report No 10.
What does this say (if anything) about shutter vibration caused sharpness issues when using a shutter speed higher than 1/80 sec? Will a higher shutter speed eliminate the shutter vibration caused sharpness issues? if so, at what shutter speed will all vibration issues be eliminated?
or
Are there shutter vibration issues at all shutter speeds, and the only way to eliminate them is by using the mirror up mode ?

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TBImages

Anyone done any performing arts photography with the 810 yet? I shoot mostly dance and theater and have relied on my D4 pretty exclusively to do so. However, the D810 looks pretty interesting.

FPS speed is a non issue for me. Focus speed / accuracy and high dynamic range are.

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sgoldswo

All I'm going to say is that after nearly a month, this is a special, no, exceptional DSLR. Really great. All of the issues associated with the D800E have just been solved. The camera just works.

Some user impressions here:
http://wp.me/p2wMAg-C5

Pity that in true DPR fashion we have plenty of people with sour grapes everywhere on this comments section. I guess that is what it is. However, if people get put off by that they are missing a treat...

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MikeF4Black

Strangely I just turned in my D800 for a new discounted E. I must be certifiable. ;-)

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Galbertson

Thank you for your experienced reply. Also for your user website. Gives me good reasons to purchase. Interesting that there is only overall complimentary websites on D810, but only in DP Review so many have no better thing do do but bash the camera. The more great cameras, the more griping trolls.

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MikeF4Black

@Galbertson: I'm not sure if your commentas directed at mine, but if it was, you misunderstood me by a country mile. I wasn't bashing the 810, nor your praise for it, at all. It happens a lot on the net.
The 810 is an incrementally better camera than the 800/E on every imagineable front. At least, that's my opinion after having tried it a few times.

Any questions?

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Galbertson

Sorry, my poor eyesight mistakenly responded, intended for sgoldswo. I have .been noticing how many positive responses to the D810.. It has every single function i need to at times replace my 4X5. The only thing missing is articulating LCD. But would get 5" external monitor. Its peeking feature would help me see for focus, apparently not available on camera. Still will need my magnifiers to help me read words of menu. I do not have central "target" eyesight, but compose with perifera portion. Not easy, and needing assisting tools to improve camera operation.

The tactile feel and function of contols and buttons tremendously important, the D810 appear excellent, but will only know when in my hands. I have had many cameras in my hands, can honestly say Fuji X-T1 has buttons for baby fingers, tiny and no sense of activation. Cannot afford to make that mistake.

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MikeF4Black

Yes, I noticed in some other entries that your eyesight is impaired; you're not to be envied for that. My father was an enthousiast photographer, and when at 75-80 his eyesight went, it took a lot out of him. I admire how you're coping. Difficulties are put in your way to overcome them I suppose.

The D810 is an excellent camera, and I hope and expect it will work for you like that.

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Galbertson

Since you have D810, if shooting highest res for main card, will it automatically put lower res in cf card, or do i have to shoot again for lower res file?

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MikeF4Black

No, I had the 800, and now have the 800E, not the 810, but I'm guessing they work the same in that respect. You select image quality (f.i. Raw + Jpeg) and primary and secondary card selection. Maybe in the 810 you can choose a combination of high res and lower res Raw, and send to cf and sd respectively; you'd have to look in the menu.

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Galbertson

Mike,
Appreciate your more than you might image. Have studied in depth the world of blindness. For some fortunate reason, my compositions have refined and matured. Magic happens I guess.

D810 question...if shooting hi res raw image, can i set up camera to automatically load a low res jpeg into CF card? Or do I have to go into menu to set the camera, then shoot the same image again? My hi res files for large printing use. The low res jpegs for web , cataloging and emailing. I have a good fried who does my post work, but I would hope to not depend on him to downsize from raw files for my low res use, would hope to download jpegs directly from camera to my iPad.

Again, thanks for your words of confidence.

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Galbertson

Mike
Darnit, sorry didnt catch your answer to my question.
One thing about loss of eyesight is screwing up...just something to get accustomed to. I might call tech support to confirm. Camera still ideal for me.

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chris1444

Have you seen the moiré on the tests? Look at the close-up of the b-w picture on the left. It is a deal breaker for me. The Canon does not have such an issue. The picture is completely clean.

The most worrying is that it is also present for the D800 and D800E.

BTW I am not a Canon troll. I am a real Nikon fan since decades. I and have bought several Nikon bodies so far plus several lenses, and no Canon. But moiré puts me really off. I am not talking about video where the amount of moiré is ridiculous.

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Guenter Hofstaedter

i wonder why they make the sample shoots with all this zooms and not with a good prime ! I got my D810 on the first day it was released, just can tell you the samples here showed on DP are not the max you can get out of this camera !

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MarekPyka

"i wonder why they make the sample shoots with all this zooms and not with a good prime !" Ans: My guess is to hit the widest available market, and because if the camera needs a top lens (crutch), then it is not such a good camera. They need to show where the capability of the camera ends and to do that, they need to test the camera, not the lens.

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ecube

I have reservations about the "Real World" sample photos presented here. What are the sample photos suppose to illustrate? Good looking pictures does not mean anything for evaluating the camera performance because there is no basis of comparison. As for the processed RAW, what does it proved regarding the camera capability? If the purpose is to illustrate the dynamic range, then the three or four samples illustrate the shortcoming of this D810. I have gotten better results of high and varying lighting condition from my D800 than the samples shown in this review. It seems to me that the shooter did not set the HDR properly.

Is the purpose of the sample photos is to compare the D810 against the D800 and D800E, then why not make a side-by-side shots from all three cameras? The comparison to the Canon camera shows the lack of knowledge by the tester because there is no common and controlled basis of comparison. Moreover, it is not relevant.

Was I expecting too much from DPReview?

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InTheMist

You can look at test charts if you like, I suppose.

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ecube

@Inthe Mist - In the 2003-2006, DPR used to present a side-by-side photos of subject taken by cameras being compared against one another. Shots were of identical setting from identical lenses. Test charts were also used. The side-by-side photos illustrates the tester's point and removed reliance on memories. As I recall, the photographs were NOT post processed. . . I wonder if you recall those times.

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InTheMist

Ok, I get you're pining for the old days, but I quite like real-world photos.

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ecube

Oh yes, REAL WORLD photos of outdoor scenes, bridges, buildings, lakes/rivers/mountains, sporting events . . . name it. The point is the "side-by-side" comparison of JPEG files right off the camera. While you did not mention RAW, I have nothing against raw files, only that I prefer to compare the ability of the camera on the consumer's view point. Of course D800/800E/810 are not for the average consumer who thinks that raw applies to how their food is prepared.

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PVCdroid

For some reason the D810 isn't as sharp as the A7R and contrast isn't as defined. I thought DPReview used the same lens for these tests? idk but can definitely see a difference. Weird. I'm also surprised at how much moire the D810 is generating compared to the A7R.

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shutterbud

"DPReview.com is kindly brought to you by the Nikon Corporation."
This blatant infomercialising should be beneath this site. It really is beyond insulting. Why should we have any other reviews? I mean, it's not like any other camera in history has ever been as important as the D810.

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MarekPyka

Are you suggesting DP would shill out for Nikon?

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shutterbud

It is quite obvious they have already. Just look at the shoot they did for the D750. ANY modern camera would look amazing in those circumstances.

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Galbertson

Without focus peeking, how would i see expanded areas before shootin to see total focus area in broad landscapes? I have limited eyesight and use 15X loupe to see focus on my 4X5.

I have read(i cannot see to read, only recognizing word shape with large magnifier, but use Voicr Over on iPad to speak the words) that external monitors have image peeking. That might be the answer...yes?

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thejohnnerparty

Did anyone happen to catch the photographer's reflection on the old truck's headlight rim?

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MarekPyka

Nice catch!!!

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munro harrap

I'm looking for how the D810 moves groups of focus points around like the D200, D300, and D700 do. It is advertized but there is not a sign of it here. I do hope this really is included in the full review, because it is a huge factor in photography.
The Group AF option on a D700 is excellent and so much easier to use than any of Canon's slow two-stage options. It will be the biggest factor in purchase options for many, as mis-focussing is inevitable on occasion when you have zero AF control of where the focus goes, as with the D800(E) and D7100. I am certainly hoping Nikon supply a firmware fix, as that would be easy using the pad that only works ( and so slowly!) using manual focus (and just one point).

This is more important than anything else! As to moire, well, I get moire with my D800 quite often.It's a normal occurrence.Had I known, I would have an E got! Using Capture NX2 I remove it, so moire is a non-issue except for video, and well you can just defocus a little?

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SmilerGrogan

Yes. It does. And the autofocus seems to be a little faster than other Nikons I've used.

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Al Cris

Nikon - if you read this - add a real quiet shutter on the next D 820 or D 900 :-)

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Zoron

and Trinity Reboot with Fluorine and vaseline coating

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Mikael Risedal

best SLR camera out there IQ wise, if you are a spray and pray sport photographer, then you have D4s or 1dx
But for now, there are no competition regarding , metering, resolution, DR, AF, etc etc. Nice work Nikon

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munro harrap

I have not seen a D810. I am curious about comments made regarding vibration at some shutter speeds with the D800(E) models. What are these shutter speeds please, as I have no VR lenses yet have not ever seen this phenomenon using a D800. I have had blurred due to my movement and/or subject movement. And blurred due to the lens being imperfectly focussed, but nothing as described here that I can see.

Nikon removed the filters as at this magnification you can see that everything is slightly off-at all speeds. That said I have not ever been able to detect a visible difference in resolution-just micro-contrast and acuity.tight 0.2 pixel @ 400% USM deals with that.

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Mikael Risedal

look at this video, sum up what I think, now are also AF improved , better than my 5dmk3 ps I have also Canon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR7Kjeq2aH4

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mayurgogoi

Dear Shooters--what is your experience abt ISOs performance of NIKON D810?

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solomonshv

the ISO performance is as good as you can get at this price. if ISO performance is what you are looking for then look no further.

FYI, I am a Canon user but I currently have a D810 in my possession. ISO performance definitely shits all over Canon but I still find that my 5D Mark III units are more complete cameras and easier to use.

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EricCul

ISO performance is excellent on the D810. Better than the 5D MkIII.

I'd go with the D810 for handling too, but which is easier to use really depends on where the user is coming from. I adjusted to the Nikon system very fast after previously being a Canon shooter.

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rfsIII

It's really great, at least the jpegs out of the camera are—Adobe is still fine tuning its raw converter. But I've shot a lot at 6400 and they're wonderful as long as you look at them as photos and don't go all nerdtastic over them...
If you zoom in to 200 percent they're a little grainy but nothing that makes them unusable. And if you set your masking at 80 or 90 percent in ACR they're awesome.

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Ben Lazar

I sold my D800 to a friend and got the D810 over the weekend. In my opinion, it's absolutely worth it, mostly for the improved mirror mechanism--much less vibration and it's so much quieter. With far less mirror vibration, focus acuity is noticeably improved, and I can bring my shutter speeds down without any fear of the slight blur that I would sometimes get out in the field with my D800, and which relegated it to mainly studio shooting for me. All the little changes have added up to a greatly enhanced shooting experience--the D810 is a camera I'm enthusiastic to take anywhere, under any shooting conditions--Fashion, Landscape, event work, etc. I'm still just getting into the camera, but so far it just feels wonderful, with no niggling issues whatsoever.

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TravelPhotog

I always knew the D800 was only good for in-studio!! ;)

(we can say that now that the D810 is out right?? Which makes Nikon still awesome right??? Even though we were saying they were awesome when they weren't....??? ;) )

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DaveE1

TravelPhotog , the D800 is a great camera; one of the best out there. The D810 improves on it.

That's not that different to how technology has always improved over time, so no real need to over analyze or worry about it.

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francowan

Cool. I want it.

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Galbertson

Another question...if using EyeFi card, will iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch work as extermal monitor? Will controls operate camera wirelessly from one of these devices? This might solve my need for external monitor that Hoodman loupe works on.

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EricCul

@Galbertson First, I haven't used EyeFi, so I'm not able to directly answer your question. My guess is that EyeFi is for the transfer of files, rather than remote control via iPad/etc. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

The CamRanger product may be of interest to you... I have no affiliation whatsoever to the company that produces it; I just thought this link may be helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seGKsbRyQrE

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Galbertson

Eric,
If i had cam ranger on d810, connecting to my IPad, would Voice Over speak the worded options showing in live view?

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Gunawan Budihardjo

As long as I understand EyeFi is only to transfer photos directly from your camera which is using the EyeFi SD Card to your mobile or other gadget so that you can send the photos directly to your friends and family. Also to empty you cards directly to iPad or other gadgets.

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Galbertson

Okay, i understand. But assume there is a way to connect and use iPad as external monitor. But my most important question is if the Voice Over function on iPad speaks words when fingers touches screen. I am still waiting for Apple to introduces MacBooks or iMacs with touch screen/Voice Over. Then i could do my own post of raw files. I can see color, but need lots of magnification to see sharpness. But still cannot read words unless Voice Over speaks to me. I accept this rare issue.

Thanks for your help.

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Galbertson

When attaching external monitor to D810, does it disble lcd on camera?

Ideally want 3.2" external monitor, but not made. Because of very limited eyesight, need to use magnifying lcd hood, such as Hoodman. Since D810 does not have articulating lcd, seeking ideas. I even thought purchasing articulating lcd from D5300, but not sure if electronics compatible, plus no technician to manufacture with hdmi out cable.

Any help greatly appreciated.

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HFLM

Conclusion of someone testing thoroughly (shutter shock, resolution ...):
http://blog.kasson.com/?p=6704

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