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Leica T (Typ 701) First Impressions Review

April 2014 | By Andy Westlake


Preview based on a pre-production Leica T (Typ 701)

This year marks Leica's 100th birthday as a camera maker and, to celebrate, the venerable German manufacturer has launched an all-new camera system. Perhaps unexpectedly, though, Leica hasn't taken the obvious route and embraced the current fashion for 'retro' design with an interchangeable-lens version of its X Vario APS-C compact. Instead the Leica T is an innovative camera that combines photographer-friendly twin-dial control with a bang-up-to-date touchscreen interface.

Before we go any further, though, let's get the pricing out of the way. The Leica T is going to set you back £1350 for the body alone - a fraction more than the original X1. Two lenses will be available at launch; the 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 zoom (27-84mm equivalent) will cost £1250, and the 23mm f/2 prime (which offers a 35mm equivalent angle-of-view) will be £1350. This places it in the same price bracket as the 36MP full frame Sony A7R as one of the most expensive mirrorless camera systems on the market, and means that only well-heeled photographers are likely to get their hands on one. Leica exists in a particularly rarefied space and, while the T is designed to appeal to a different type of buyer than either the X compacts or the M system, it is not in any way intended as a mass-market product.

This is a pity, because the Leica T turns out to be a really attractive camera. Its body is hewn from a single block of aluminum, which makes it an extraordinarily tactile, and rather beautiful object. It has five controls on its top plate - shutter button, video record button, power switch and two dials - but absolutely everything else is controlled via the large 3.7", 16:9 touchscreen. This, you can't help but feel, is the kind of camera that Apple might make, if it were so inclined.

Leica T key features:

  • 16MP APS-C CMOS sensor
  • ISO 100-12500
  • 3.7" 1.3M dot 16:9 touchscreen LCD
  • Twin top-plate control dials
  • Approx 5 fps continuous shooting
  • 1920 x 1080 Full HD movie recording at 30 fps; built-in stereo microphones
  • Built-in Wi-Fi for easy image sharing, and remote control by smartphone or tablet
  • Optional 2.36M dot electronic viewfinder with built-in GPS unit
  • Built-in 16GB memory
  • Brand new Leica T mount
  • 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 and 23mm f/2 lenses
  • 11-23mm f/3.5-4.5 and 55-135mm f/3.5-4.5 coming later in the year (at photokina 2014)
  • Available in anodized black or natural aluminum finish

The back of the T is dominated by its large, 16:9 aspect ratio touchscreen, with no physical buttons whatsoever. The main exposure settings are controlled by a pair of top-plate dials, but almost everything else (settings and menus, playback and so on) is operated though a generally well-thought-out touch interface. The back of the camera also proudly proclaims 'Leica Camera Wetzlar Germany', celebrating the company's recent return to its spiritual home. The lenses, by the way, are made in Japan (apparently because Leica doesn't have sufficient capacity in Wetzlar), although contrary to pre-launch internet rumor, they're not made by Panasonic.

The T uses a 16MP APS-C CMOS sensor, with an ISO range from 100-12500. It offers 5fps continuous shooting, and Full HD movie recording with stereo sound. The camera uses an all-new, fully electronic 'T mount', but Leica will also be offering an adapter to allow use of M mount lenses. This has an optical sensor to read the 6-bit code used to identify modern lenses, and electronic contacts to pass this information to the camera.

Naturally the camera has built-in Wi-Fi; this allows both image transfer to a smartphone or tablet, and remote control of shooting (complete with live view feed). It has 16GB of built-in memory, meaning you don't even have to buy an SD card if you don't want to. The battery can be charged internally via the camera's micro USB port, but Leica includes an external charger in the box too, giving the best of both worlds.

'Unibody' design

Leica is very proud of the T's unique 'unibody' design. Most cameras are built around an internal chassis, with all of the electronics fixed to it and a body skin finally added over the top. Leica has done something completely different; instead the body is formed from a solid block of aluminum, with all of the electronics attached to it directly. The result is an extraordinarily tactile, solid-feeling object.

The Leica T's body is formed from a 1.2kg block of aluminum, which is machined down to 94g at Leica's factory in Wetzlar, then subjected 45 minutes of hand-polishing. The camera has no separate internal chassis; instead everything is attached to this shell. Now you know why it costs so much...

Lenses and accessories

The Leica T launches with two lenses, a zoom and a prime. The Vario-Elmar-T 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 is a compact zoom that offers a 27-84mm equivalent range, while the Summicron-T 23mm f/2 ASPH is a small prime that offers a classic 35mm equivalent moderate wide-angle view. Both use a thoroughly modern design approach, with a fully-electronic mount, near-silent internal focusing, and electronically-coupled manual focus.

The first two lenses for the T system are the Summicron-T 23mm f/2 ASPH (left) and Vario-Elmar-T 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6. The Vario-Elmar-T 55-135mm f/3.5-4.5 ASPH telezoom and Super-Vario-Elmar-T 11-23mm f/3.5-4.5 ASPH wide-angle zoom are both scheduled to appear in time to be shown in September at photokina 2014.

Not unexpectedly these lenses are seriously pricey, at around $1500 / £1300 each (or roughly half the price of the camera / lens kit). The zoom doesn't even have optical image stabilization - Leica says it imposes too large a compromise on the optical design - which means the T is about the only system on the market with no image stabilization at all.

There's also a new optional electronic viewfinder, the Visoflex (Typ 020), which slides onto the hotshoe. It uses a new interface on the hot shoe itself, meaning that that it's not cross-compatible with the unit used for the X2, X Vario and M (Typ 240). Leica will also be offering a range of straps and covers in two distinct styles; either traditional-looking leather, or brightly-colored silicone rubber. We'll look at these in more detail later.

Color options and pricing

The T will be available in either a natural aluminum finish, or anodized black. Prices are as follows:

  • Leica T body (Black or Silver) - £1350
  • Vario-Elmar-T 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 - £1250
  • Summicron-T 23mm f/2 ASPH - £1350
  • M-Adapter T mount adapter - £300
  • Visoflex (Typ 020) EVF - £400

If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

Conclusion / Recommendation / Ratings are based on the opinion of the reviewer, you should read the ENTIRE review before coming to your own conclusions.

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Vegasus

This is a nice product, all aluminium, nice design, high res screen, amazing buttons and dials but all of these back to the lens and sensor.

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SammyToronto

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but this thing doesn't look beautiful to me. It may be built like a tank, but it looks like the average Sony/Samsung mirrorless camera and less attractive than the average Fuji/Olympus mirrorless camera.

Now, I'm not talking about performance, status, heritage or any of that, but purely on the aesthetic level this Leica underwhelms.

19 upvotes
peevee1

Maybe it looks better in person, but in the picture it is ugly, especially with the EVF which does not match the silver body (and neither are the black lenses).

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HowaboutRAW

ST:

It be plenty good aesthetically--unless you don't like the industrial look.

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Drofnad

Amen, you said it. (That red badge makes reviewers go nuts. (Somehow, the ol' D-Lux4 was supposed to be soooo lovely vs. the LX3, though it lacked the functional element --a grip-- of the cheaper camera (one could pay even MORE to add the grip!).)

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nicolasrao

Absolutely! I do not find it good looking at all. Unless you like bricks.
The Olys look like Spitfires compared to this Me 109..which also had poor visibility and difficult slow speed handling... no wonder!

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HowaboutRAW

Dro:

Nobody thought the D-Lux 4 so much more than the LX3.

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The Customer

I've already read enough about the camera, on line, to know that if I could afford one, it would almost certainly be my daily shooter. Beautiful!

Exquisite lines and, from the footage I've seen about its creation, craftsmanship! I especially like the colourful body skins -- very stylish and high-tech while still conveying a playful air! I think that's what appeals to me the most about this camera, the feeling that it's been designed for people who want to fit precision, performance, and Leica's rich tradition in their pockets, while still being able to have fun. It's a camera that says, "Hello friend, let's play!"

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AlanG

Those colorful skins may not have been so well thought through. This comment is copied from a Leica forum....

Looks are indeed great but what a disappointment in use. It not only is very hard to put on or to remove, but you have to do this every time to acces the SD card or USB port or to replace the battery. On top of that I did not figure out yet how to remove or put on the T snap without detaching the strap (left side)

So every time you need to charge the battery you need to do the following :
- search for the "pin" to detach the strap (where do you guys put the pin so that it is always with you and does not get lost )
- detach the strap left side
- detach the lens
- try to remove the T-snap (good luck to do that in less than half a minute)
- put the lens on or a body cap to prevent dust on the sensor while charging
- remove, recharge battery and replace
- detach lens again or body cap
- put the T snap back on
- attach the strap left side
- mount the lens

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John Driggers

Methinks you replied seriously to a post meant as satire...at least I hope so.

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GrahamJohn

I suspect the Leica executives will be chuckling away at the comments of the plebeian masses who see the Leica T as a piece of bling and not a serious instrument. In truth it IS a piece of jewellry for the likes of people who buy Rolex instead of Timex, or AudioNote instead of Yamaha. Leica doesn't cater to the masses nor cares that most can't afford it. There will be enough dedicated Leica lovers to keep the production line going and it will be around for a while. They are catering to a niche market and I wish them good fortune.

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SuperAttilio

I own a Leica Monochrom, Leica M6, a couple of Leica lenses, along with another 13 cameras and around 20 lenses: 35mm and medium format. I suspect I can afford several tens of "Leica T". Now, I find it extetically "ordinary" and - from a shooting experience point of view - a piece of junk. I was at the Leica Singapore event that introduced it to their customers. Shall we stop this paranoia that if you don't like a Leica it's just because you can't afford it? If a camera is crap, I just say it's crap: don't care about the price tag or how "status-symbol" it is. A Leica must provide outstanding shooting experience. That's all I care about. My camera of choice, at the moment, is my Sony A7r, which I use with M lenses and Nikkors. And the company that really excites me for what it's doing right now is Sony (A7s, 50mpx sensor on new Hasselblad CFV and new medium format fixed lens), not Leica.

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cgarrard

Both of you, well said.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 23, 2014)

The Rolex/Timex comparison isn't quite right, at least for mechanical watch aficionados. People who pay gobs of thousands of dollars/Euros for a top tier mechanical watch do so because they love an all mechanical hand made watch - even more so if it has "complications" such as a (mechanical) perpetual calendar. Yes, a $15 quartz watch will do the job and be far, far more accurate, but it is the love of seeing just how well a mechanical watch can be made that interests horologists. I might also say that in this realm, Rolex is not even in the top tier -- maybe in the third tier of what is desirable.

Yes, there are many who will buy Rolex just for the name or as jewellery, but it has other desirable qualities as well. This Leica T does not.

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cgarrard

All three of you, well said.

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UnitedNations

Fuji X100T is coming out soon. With its expected improvement over the x100s, why even bother with a Leica camera anymore which is way over priced for what it delivers?

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Barney Britton

I'm sure that Leica would make the (entirely reasonable) point that the T has an interchangeable lens mount :)

5 upvotes
peevee1

Yep, it is more of a Sony NEX-5r/Samsung NX300/Fuji X-A1 variety, only many times more expensive, much slower, a year or two too late and its screen does not tilt.

5 upvotes
Michael_13

Why even bother about X100T when there are excellent µ43 cameras with a great assortment of lenses?

You see, you prefer Fujis, others prefer Leicas. There is no 'best camera' for everyone.

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Richard Franiec

Barney,

Since you have the cam for testing, could you drop it on concrete pavement to see if the premium price for " body carved from solid block" of T6061 Al alloy machined in Portugal is worth the expense?

R.

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AbrasiveReducer

It's expensive, sure, but you save $30 by not having to buy one of Richard's handgrips.

5 upvotes
NCB

OK, you go out and snap away with the T just as you might with say a Sony CSC, and it's not the same. DPReview didn't like the Nikon Df either, for much the same reasons. I have the Df. It's a dream of a camera and I wouldn't be parted from it.

Not all of us go around with our digicam glued to the eye and snapping at everything which moves. For a start, you miss a lot of good scenes that way. Some of us take our time. I see a scene which has got something and mentally frame the possibilities before ever I get the camera out. I turn it on and twiddle the odd setting, if necessary, before it gets to the eye. There's nothing in the operation of the T which you've run through which would put me off. In the slightest.

I want sharp pics with the right colour and exposure. The JPGs might be a tad flat; seeing what alternative settings could do would be useful. But the colours are superbly natural. The T has distinct attractions.

Expensive? Not for a Leica. Or other options for that matter.

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AlanG

I don't see why you can't use any camera as slowly and methodically as you would want. But if the camera won't work as quickly as you need, you are out of luck.

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TCMercury

Exactly. I also tend to take my time, even in street photography, but that doesn't mean I'd want to remove the option to speed up if a cycle race suddenly went thundering past.

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NCB

If you need speed, fine, this camera probably isn't for you. The only time I need speed is when light is changing fast over a landscape. But if I miss the moment I just hang around until it changes back.

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PhotoKhan

The sample photos look excellent.

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whtchocla7e

As a proud owner of the Hassy Lunar, I find this Leica thing repulsive. It looks cheap and I wouldn't want to be seen carrying it out in public.

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b craw

Okay, I'm pretty clear about many thinking this model a status symbol (and perhaps Leica cameras on the whole). And performance criticisms - fair. Criticism of price and value - fair. But at the end of the day some will choose this camera. And that will be dependent on a range of justifications. So long as a modern camera can produce good image results (as I'm sure this one can), then handling, tactile qualities/build, interface are relavent in relation to the depth of one's pockets. And I know quite a few less than wealthy but pretty successful art photographers who simply preference feel, and feel it part of the photography experience to a degree that they are willing to pay a premium (even without trust funds). They are talented individuals - not dumb or misinformed in any way. And their accomplishments are evidence of this. Many comments paint all Leica users as something akin to surgeons, casual photographers, whom want to walking about with expensive, chic gear. That is naive.

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munro harrap

Years ago we all used Leicas, usually a pair to be able to have a wide and standard lens without having to change lenses. They were reliable, fast and everything could be prefocussed using the depth of field scales on the lenses- which were accurate. There was, as now with Ms, no autofocus.
You will be able to do this with primes on this thing. But they are again starting people on an unecessary expensive upgrade path as Leicas as such are now all full-frame.
In three years time they'll make this full-frame like they did the M8 with the M9, so unless you want to fork out for lenses and a full-frame body all over again just buy a Nex7.
Mind you this is at least without those dreadful wooden handles Hasselblad came up with, but then it has no decent grip and is a mere 16MP.
A name does not make it a Leica- there are dozens of Leicas that do not merit the cachet the name somehow has.

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b craw

I can see some merit in concern for the longevity of this system. But, ultimately, that is highly dependent on less than water tight speculation. Still, a fair point.

Grip is not an issue in my handling of the camera.

16MP is my preference, considering sensor size.

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AbrasiveReducer

munro harrap says it well. After Nikon and Canon got out of RF cameras, a Leica M was standard issue for low light, low noise and sharp wide angles. These cameras were never cheap but they offered things you really couldn't get with a Nikon F or similar.

At the same time there were cameras like the Leicaflex, SL, SL2, R3, R4, etc that while being perfectly good cameras did not offer anything you couldn't get from any other SLR and the fact that they were Leicas and priced accordingly didn't change that at all.

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munro harrap

Looks like a NEX 6 sensor in a NEX7 body robbed of a decent viewfinder to me.

2 upvotes
yonsarh

I don't understand why some of you have negative comments. Infact,Leica T is not that bad. picture quality seems nice and if I have money, I would buy this camera.

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nunatak

put in perspective, the price/performance ratio of the Leica-T makes the criticisms of the Nikon V3 seem relatively trivial in comparison. i did not think that possible.

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coso dp

Not considering price it's basically a Canon EOS M in an awesome metal chassis.

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Richard Butler

It's faster at focusing and has a better sensor but I see your point.

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iAPX

Maybe a Sony a6000 with a M-lenses adapter is interesting too?

I thought about it, but not at ease with sony interface. Still seems to be a wise choice to do street photography, and probably much better than the Leica T (if you are not into fashion world. I am).

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67gtonr

@Richard, utilizing which AF mode on the EOS M, did you ever try the Touch Shutter? Which lens on the M, as they take different times to focus. Have you tried the EF-M 11-22?

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Richard Butler

@67gtonr - I've not used the 11-22mm (which I'm not sure has even been formally announced in the US) - I was comparing the 18-55 and 32mm to the 18-55 and 22mm.

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67gtonr

@Richard-Thank for your reply, I'll take your word for it then, as I can't see myself ever having the opportunity to try the Leica out myself, and the speed of the Canon M2 will also not come to play as it also is not sold through Canon USA.

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PhotoKhan

@Richard Butler,

Is the focusing faster than the M2?
...or is it the case that, besides not listing it in the 2013 list of Canon cameras, DPR has actually decided it does not exist?

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Richard Butler

@PhotoKhan

I have no idea about the EOS M2 (and would love to know, since a faster-focusing EOS M would be a rather nice camera).

It's not so much that we've decided it doesn't exist, just that it's a little hard to get full images and info about it, since it's still Japan-only, so far as we know.

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PhotoKhan

Yes, I understand the limitations (almost impossibility) of reviewing a camera that only exists in some selected Far-East countries.

But I feel you could list it in the Product Database, if for anything else, for the sake of completeness.

If and when the M3 is launched the DB will look strange without an M2 in-between the M1 and M3, don't' you think?

More "significant cameras market fragmentation" cases like these could emerge and you must decide if you want to be a global reference site or just a "regional" (no matter how widely) one.

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Marty4650

If someone tried to give me this camera as a gift, I would take it.

Then I would put it on ebay, and sell it for $1,850, since it is currently out of stock at Amazon. Then, I would use the part of the money to buy an Olympus 75mm f/1.8 lens, and put the other thousand dollars in my pocket.

I would send a nice thank you note to the kind person who gave me that gift.

And Barney would take the camera too, if it wasn't for Simon's rule about accepting gifts from camera companies. In fact, I'd guess that Barney's own sense of integrity would prevent him from taking it without a rule forbidding it.

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Barney Britton

Yeah the 'gift' thing is hypothetical. And it's not Simon's rule, it's pretty much just common sense :)

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Just another Canon shooter

It would match my kitchen appliances.

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ThePhilips

Evidence that Leica T is manufactured by Panasonic is piling up.

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HowaboutRAW

ThePhilips:

Which part, the Sony sensor? The aluminum block?

And what does your claim have to do with the OP?

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ThePhilips

Oh man, you need to relax. That was a humorous remark, since Panasonic also manufactures kitchen appliances.

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ARB1

I wonder if I can just purchase the little red Leica sticker and put it on my Olympus OMD.

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HowaboutRAW

Why not? Good PanaLeica lenses to use. But not the same sensor.

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qwertyasdf

Sure you can, be prepared to shell out $1,000 for it.

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Valentinian

Nah.... I wouldn't do that to my good old E-M5

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whywefight

"The pricing is bonkers by anyone's standards..." So please, what does this have to do with the shooting experience?

Start up time and selection of the autofocus point!? That's all!? No other complaints? This review would be a lot more convincing if it both mentioned pros and con's of the interface. But it is written with so much anger and so one sided that it cannot be taken serious. Someone appears to have chosen to dislike the camera because he cannot afford it. This is my clear impression.

I extensively tested the camera in a Leica store. Anyone who claims he cannot tell apart the two rear dials must be bonkers by anyone's standards. Please get real. Since the interface of this camera is completely new and vastly different from usual cameras, I expected a thorough discussion of the pros and con's. Instead you get to read this childish rant. I am very disappointed.

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Barney Britton

This is not a review.

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HowaboutRAW

whywefight,

Check the date on the first impressions "review".

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cgarrard

Boy's at DPR can't win them all that's for sure. Keep up with the honest shooting experience articles crew, they are great reads.

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Barney Britton

Thankye, kind sir.

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BJN

I can take intelligent observations about a poorly designed interface seriously. I don't think I can take your "extensive" in-store test seriously, but apparently you don't care to share your own pros and cons.

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67gtonr

DPR praises Leica for doing something that Canon did with the EOS M two years ago, except that everything the Leica does the Canon does better!

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quezra

Even focus speed? Ouch.

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67gtonr

Absolutely.

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67gtonr

With the year old firmware the auto focus speed is equal to that of the Nex cameras (prior to the A6000) according to those that use both.

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67gtonr

The EOS M also has Touch Shutter, wherein you touch the where at on the screen you want focus and the camera focuses and instantly captures the scene, this make the focusing even faster and something totally lacking on the Leica.

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PhotoKhan

@quezra

Focus speed on the M2 is not a factor.

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Flashback

It's Leica glass stupid....

I remember, everybody rubbishing the earlier X1, but boy did it produce some beautiful images.

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HowaboutRAW

While many Leica lenses are amazing, including m4/3s PanaLeicas and the X-Vario's lens, I'm not real impressed with the DNGs I shot with this T and the 23mm lens. They're good, not great.

For that price they should be great, perhaps something can be tweaked in the firmware to improve IQ, since other Leica X cams do excellent IQ.

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cgarrard

"For that price they should be great"

You know, that is a review in itself. Nuff said right there, done deal.

Carl

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caravan

Good luck and enjoy to all who will buy it.

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BJN

Good luck indeed.

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ThomasSwitzerland

The beauty of this Leica is that it is so useless in functionality. But the bright body got timeless style. It is not designed to make interesting pictures but to show off. Hence, it got its market.

If we had a stand-up comedian show, this camera could provide plenty of stories on how one might take pictures alternatively.

Leica delivers a big attention item. It differentiates the buyer from the rest of those “cheap” black plastic camera users. And you need the matching small dog or hand bag for this. So it stays in high ticket environments.

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HowaboutRAW

It's far from useless, and I've shot with it.

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Tapper123

I wouldn't want one either. I don't even think it even looks particularly good.

I get the appeal of Leica rangefinders -- at least they offer something unusual compared to most cameras and the design is truly classic. But this T... strictly a fashion statement camera IMO. Much better off with a nice Fuji or Sony mirrorless.

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HowaboutRAW

And the look of the box is the deciding factor?

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quezra

How is making it so reliant on touchscreen in any way bold? Sony NEX-5N did it years ago. Samsung Galaxy NX did it the most recently. Even the upcoming Lytro camera is going to do it. I think DPR were desperate to say something nice about Leica, but honestly this isn't bold. It's a design choice that many have tried, and eventually rolled back in favor of more physical controls which a VF necessitates for tactile feedback.

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Barney Britton

It's bold for Leica.

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quezra

That still doesn't make sense as a reason to praise it, since all previous attempts have been severely criticized (and this seems no different), then with products out long enough to see a successor, always rolled back (note the extra dials and Fn button on the NEX-5R). Minimalism might win design awards but it doesn't make for a functional camera. There's a litterbin of failed attempts that will demonstrate that, firmware update or not.

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HowaboutRAW

q:

This is significantly different than most other touch screens like that on the Samsung NX300. (I pick the Samsung because I'm more familiar with that than the Nex 5n.)

It is very bold step.

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peterwr

As Barney says, it's bold <i>for Leica</i>. It also fits with Leica's design philosophy of longevity, inasmuch as it can be easily upgraded via firmware without either Leica or the customer having to replace the hardware. As it's basically just a (high-quality) shell with software and a lens on the front, Leica can go on banging these things out for years to come like they did their film cameras, without having to make major hardware revisions the way other manufacturers do, and yet frequently refresh and improve both new <i>and existing</i> cameras, possibly via paid-for upgrades.

Cost-effective from both Leica's and the customer's point of view.

Good move, I reckon.

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peterwr

OK, I give up. How *do* you do text formatting hereabouts?

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quezra

Nope, I'm still not seeing how it's a "bold" move, even for Leica. It says to me Leica are increasingly targeting the ultra-rich rather than camera-philes. That's not bold, that's retreating from their core operations and moving into the high-margin world of jewellery and luxury where it is only craftsmanship that matters. Hasselblad have also gone down this route and become a laughingstock by rebranding Sony. It's not bold.

Touchscreen-only operations have been tried many, many times, and never resulted in photographer-friendly tools, only giving the familiarity to keep point-and-shoot upgraders happy. And touchscreens don't necessarily have any better longevity than physical controls - indeed they are all processor-constrained, as the start-up times would suggest. Just because now Leica's doing something doesn't change any of that. This is not a serious camera, it's a rich man's toy.

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Johannes Zander

Another articel about this aluminium block.
I hoped the battery was already exhausted!

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nathondetroit

Was that a pun? If so, bravo!

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mb65

I saw the Leica T but did not use it. I found it beautiful but very big, being equipped with a APSC sensor and not having an integrated EVF. You can check yourself with CameraSize. Strangely the lenses and EVF are black. They do not match the alu body at all. A black version of the T is on the way but I could find any info about alu lenses. This is weird given the price tag.
As far as criticism about the specs and performance, I understand it has issues. But Leica does not need to sell so many, and it may still turn out to be a success.
Bye now, Mattia

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eliehbk

I bought the Sony Rx1r and love it, but when I read your comments about this camera being overpriced I wonder if there are many cameras that aren't! I wonder if the 2800 dollars price tag on the Sony is justified! Choose the camera that makes you happy and go out and shoot. I have changed many many cameras over the years, and in the end they are all the same, we (photographers) make the difference! Happy shooting...

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (Jul 22, 2014)

This camera seems to be a disaster from an ergonomic perspective: identical non-dedicated dials, controls buried in menus, non-intuitive or counter-intuitive operation.

I love my M3's and M6's, but those were created by a different (and much better) design team.

My Fuji X-Pro1 is a far better camera than this Leica T in all respects and is closer to what a "true Leica" should be in the digital era.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW

It's easy enough to use.

I disagree with some choices, but that's different.

0 upvotes
km25

Yep! If only Leica would have made the X100 or the X-Pro 1. Leica can hold on to the Ms, but better choose a path toward the future.

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G1Houston

"In 'Touch AF' mode, when you're shooting in live view you press the screen and the AF point jumps to the location of your fingertip, and focus is acquired immediately at that point. Weirdly, half-pressing the shutter button does nothing at all, but if you've used a smartphone camera you'll be familiar with the behavioral logic of the Leica (and yes, it does seem strange writing those words…)."

I don't find this to be illogical. Since you are already using the screen to position the AF point, why do you need to "re-AF" by half pressing or go to the EVF? Why don't you just press the shutter all the way to take the picture and be done with it?

A fair criticism would be that the touch-AF concept did not go far enough in the T. For example, in many m4/3 cameras, you can touch and shoot at the same time. Indeed, with Panasonic cameras, you can touch to select the AF point and then shoot using the EVF. I consider this an *additional* feature that is nice to have.

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BJN

Not just nice to have. It's a brilliant integration of the touch surface with the EVF.

0 upvotes
Jogger

They should just take the guts of the Sony A7 and shoehorn it into a machined aluminium chassis. Put an m mount in front, and they will all be set.

1 upvote
iAPX

I know some crew of dpreview thought that I am a troll while criticizing some cameras (ie a mirorless full-frame camera that just works well with a BIG tripod and big lens for landscape photography, and seems to be a fail for any other usage, reading the full review! lol).

I think the Leica T is not a camera. Being a camera is a side-effect. It's a luxury statement, the one I will take with me, with a Summicron or Noctilux (and M adapter ring), if I where wealthy, really wealthy.

The same way that wealthy people wear interesting watches, they might give time, but it's a side-effect.

PS: I owned 2 Leica compact camera, a D-Lux3 and now a Leica C (type 122), that are Panasonic cameras, conceived (lens+sensor) by Leica, the second one being Audi-designed. And I like them.

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mcshan

I am not "..wealthy, really wealthy" and have owned several Leica camera and lenses over the years. It is all about choices. I don't care about expensive watches.

I know there is a worldwide slow economy but I really do believe it is about choices. A friend of mine asked me why I buy so many cameras. This same friend smokes a carton of butts a day (what does that cost?) and he drops about $40 a night drinking beer most nights with a group of guys. He has season tickets to the New Eng Patriots (American football). I don't smoke, drink or take in many sporting events. I DO like shooting with various cameras. Had I not purchased a Leica X Vario and a Sony RX1R I might have considered the T if it is a good performer. I love the images I get from the most recent Sony and the X Vario.

Anyway I believe it is about choices rather than being wealthy.

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iAPX

So, you'd clearly stating that the Leica T is not a good camera, at least for taking pictures?

So maybe it's a good camera to be seen with? As with a luxury watch? It's a choice if you could afford it!

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mcshan

Hi iAPX, I didn't clearly or unclearly state that. By "if it IS (new emphasis by me) a good performer" I'm leaving it open ended. The camera is new and the jury is still out. I personally don't know if the camera is or isn't any good. Leica can still surprise. The X Vario has exceeded my expectations. If the T's IQ matches or exceeds the X Vario that would make it appealing but I really don't need another system camera as the Fuji XE1/various lenses is my most recent combo setup. The RX1R is simply amazing when a fixed lens will do.

I simply can't agree or even relate to your "to be seen with" thing. I wasn't trendy 60 years ago so why start now if that is what you mean.

Take care. Thanks for the reply.

2 upvotes
Deardorff

How does the touch screen work with gloves or mittens and 20 below zero temperatures?

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Barney Britton

Honestly I haven't tried it (will do so though) but it's capacitative not pressure-sensitive. As such it'll likely work sometimes, with some very thin gloves. There are plenty of gloves on the market which are designed to work with touchscreen devices though.

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peterwr

On the subject of the touchscreen focusing not working with the EVF: presumably that could be fixed by having the position of one's finger (or, more likely, thumb) on the screen tracked by a marker in the EVF. Pressing the shutter would lock the focus on the current thumb position.

The point being that the issue is surely fixable in firmware, at any rate, even if not by that particular method.

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realmadeira

brave review. I guess no more Leica's for you to review any more

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Barney Britton

A firmware update could make this camera so much more effective and enjoyable to use. We're optimistic. The IQ is great though, and we'll have some studio work done pretty soon.

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iAPX

As a fashion photographer, I could tell that studio work is easy for a pro, I even did some with my D300 this years (switching to full frame cautiously), and even a compact camera could do great work that is good enough for a full page printing after a good RAW processing.

Using available light, or shooting with a bright sun, as I did for a friend weeding 10 days ago is another story: you need to be able to go 12800ISO or more on the party, while having an incredible dynamic for outdoor pictures on the early afternoon!

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Joachim Gerstl

You don't have to be mad to buy this instead of a Sony A6000 plus Zeiss Zoom or the Fuji X-T1 kit but it helps.

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Infared

I am not going to say anything about this camera (tee hee), except...Olympus or Panasonic REALLY could have taken a design cue on the Optional VF. REALLY!
No design went into theirs and I think made a little function-follows-form exception...it would have made for a much sweeter looking appendage. Now I am not saying that the Leica VF is all-that...but it shows what a little effort can result in. :-)

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Bhima78

??? EPL-5, EP-5, and E-PM2 all take Olympus' VF-4 viewfinder. And its only $200 instead of $600 for the Leica one.

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Tonio Loewald

If nothing else, Leica has schooled all the other camera companies on how to do a modern camera with good controls (aside from setting AF points, but then Apple and numerous camera app makes have nailed that). So at least we might see some others imitate them.

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zapatista

This must be a new definition of "schooled". I guess you could make the same case for the EOS M.

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AngryCorgi

Well, I for one hope nobody else thinks a 3-second startup time, laggy image review, nonsensical AF point selection behavior, and astronomical price points are traits worth imitating.

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iAPX

Maybe you are too angry!

the 4 to 5.5 second starttup is to learn the zend of photography, and waiting for the perfect moment to stay while the software wake-up.
The laggy image review is for film photographer in the great Leica tradition: you don't have to look at your pictures, until you go back home or in the darkroom.
The nonsensical AF point is because you dont have to select AF points, just let the "magical" Leica select it for you!

The price point is for you to learn how expensive it is to be a Leica Photographer, an opportunity for a talented photographer

end of sarcasm ;)

2 upvotes
cgarrard

Considering how good public education is these days, your term "schooled" is accurate.

C

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Tonio Loewald

The camera is clearly overpriced, slow, etc., but it's nicely designed. The problems you all mention — price, lag, AF behavior — are all problems of execution. If this camera were reasonably priced and did what it does quickly and well it would be fantastic. Heck if it were just one or the other it would be fantastic.

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Stephen787

took so long for battery to arrived? that is german efficiency today?

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Jogger

Thats because all of the electronics are made in China. The only thing Made in Germany is the body. I bet the firmware was outsourced to India.

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Stephen787

not all, some are built in japan, taiwan or singapore. firmware from india? i do not think so. they only do microsoft windows.

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Will Taylor73

God Leica are tedious! They bring out these hyped-up 2nd rate cameras and the mindless Leica fan-bois come out in droves to clap their hands and congratulate a dying company on it's paltry efforts to make itself relevant. Leica are simply irrelevant to modern photography. When I see someone with a digital Leica I know (from experience and making an effort to chat to these folks) that they are cashed-up pretenders who care far more about the credence the brand 'lends' their photography than just about anything else. Let Leica dye I say.

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Model Mike

"Let Leica dye I say". I'm sure they'll paint you a red dot if you ask them nicely!

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lawamainn

I agree with you to a certain extent, but Leica is NOT a "soon-to-be-extinct"-company, in fact, they can hardly cope with the demand, and have excellent economic figures....! And the technical/mecanical quality is excellent, of course.
When that is said, I was seeing through a Leica Facebook Group, and it was a sad experience, rubbish from the first to the last picture, with some exceptions of course. And it seemed that the members thought that adding "summilux bla bla", "distagon bla bla" etc with the caption should elevate the the quality of their "work"....

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HowaboutRAW

Will Taylor73:

Then you've not talked to a lot of Leica digital shooters.

And yeah, it costs serious money to get a M 240 and M lenses.

And of the 15 comments I see you've made since late 2013, at least 3 of them are complaining about Leica.

Try focusing on a serious and positive interest of your own; instead of simply attacking a respected, if pricey, camera/lens company.

Or if you've had a bad experience with a Leica digital camera, and/or lens, explain why. Perhaps some one here can tell you how to avoid those problems in the future.

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lawamainn

Ehh... I have 6 comments in total, and one comment regarding Lerica Cameras...
I do not question the quality of Leica at all! If it`s worth the pricetag? Well, not for me, but I can understand why many are. A friend of mine has a M9, and it`s fantastic piece of engineering! But do I want it? No, because it doesn`t fit my type of photography-

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Will Taylor73

I haven't talked to a lot - I'd say about 20. In the cycling world we have a saying "$10 legs and $10,000 bike" - that describes the average Leica owner perfectly. It's not that I'm complaining about Leica; I just despise them. Everything they've done in the last ten years is a joke (and an expensive one at that).

I'll keep posting about just how rubbish I think Leica are ...

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HowaboutRAW

Will Taylor73:

You can post whatever rubbish you want, as long as it's not more than 1000 characters.

But you can't take away from excellent Leica M lenses, or S lenses.

Good Leica lenses aren't akin to a $10,000 bicycle--more like a $30,000 bike. However one doesn't need incredible fitness to get a lot out of those lenses.

You're correct Leica is expensive, but far from a joke, unlike say Hasselblad of the last 10 years.

Don't you think your efforts would be treated more seriously if you were commenting on cameras and lenses you'd used in some fashion?

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Will Taylor73

Sigma can produce a 50mm lens for $1000 that outperforms any Leica in that range ever(and Leica's lenses cost up to $5000). I could point out 1000 other examples of Leica's rubbishness.

For me it's more about what Leica represents. I simply don't care how good a single one of their lenses are - it's irrelevant. My contempt for Leica stems from the fact that they release moronic cameras and people think that's a good thing. The awesome thing is that Sony's E-mount will murder off Leica for good. Can't wait for that.

Good bye Leica ....

You've spent all your time replying to any post in this thread contra leica!! How sad. You can't fight fate - most folks hate Leica and think they are a joke.

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HowaboutRAW

Will Taylor73:

I'm sure the Sigma lens is very good, but we really don't know if it out performs the best Leica lenses, I've not used the 50mm "Art", so really can't say. You may have, but it reads like you've not used Leica lenses. And DXO lens scoring isn't real helpful in distinguishing extraordinary lenses from just good.

It took Sigma years to get to that level of optical performance. And Canikon just aint there yet.

Even with Zeiss lenses, those Sony FE mount cameras mostly have disappointing colour--put a Zeiss on a Nikon Df and you get spectacularly better colour.

So as it stands now, those Sony A bodies have trouble--future versions could be fixed. You're right that those are good options for mounting Leica M lenses, but it doesn't kill off the M lenses; could force Leica to release a $3000 M body though.

Most folks think Leica expensive, but don't hate Leica nor think Leica a joke. The S and the M bodies are far from moronic.

NB: Leica M lenses can cost up to $11,000.

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webrunner5

I have owned Leica film cameras in the past, and they where like jewels. Expensive jewels but none the less really nice film cameras. Now they seem to me to have become like 3,000 dollar a night Hookers in Las Vegas. Like really pretty good but "really"

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HowaboutRAW

webrunner5:

You know this how?

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webrunner5

Did you read Andy Westlake's review? I am 67 years old. I have had Leica cameras and HAD 3,000 dollar hookers that is how I know. Some people have been around the block a few times and can afford to do it. Sorry.

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HowaboutRAW

webrunner5:

DPReview (Westlake) has not reviewed the Leica T. Some variation of this preview-shooting experience has been up for weeks.

I'll just have to trust your non-camera claim.

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luke through the lens

I find far too many of the Leica Digital owners have no idea what they have REALLY brought . they truly think budget Leica digitals are "Hand Assembled " ?

what...in a Panasonic etc factory !!!!! They are far more aimed at those that want some form of "Bragging rights"
Real Fans of Leica use film bodies . They know leica have along long way to go in the digital world before they can take on the likes of Sony and Canon etc

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Benedetto Photo

The construction quality of this camera is impressive. However, the image quality is about the same as my Ricoh GR, which costs thousands less.

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Carbon111

Are there a decent number of lenses available for the GR? ;)

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lawamainn

You can`t change, it comes with a fixed 18,3 mm F/2,8.

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welbil

How about a magnesium-finished Ricoh GR with a polish?

If they called it a Ricoch and put a a German-made button on it (made in Augsberg, say), It could have similar kudos and cost less than 50% of the Leica, with a lens thrown-in. Bargain!

Lens choice? Become a real photographer; use your feet!

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Carbon111

How about metallic green hammertone with a wood grip? :)
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8916320108/ricoh-announces-limited-edition-gr-with-wood-grip-and-extra-accessories

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iAPX

Is there "a decent numberof lenses available" for the Leica T?

As far as we know it, just a basic f/3.5-5.6 zoom, the 23mm seems to be underparts. And Leica M + adapter ring for some of them, juste totally overpriced!

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Valokuvaustukku Foka

Nice Leica T blog in Finland, http://leica-t.com/

1 upvote
MarcMedios

This camera is so underwhelming. Really, for $2,000 you have so many better choices and especially when it comes to lenses. 3.5 to 5.6's are kit lens territory, not serious photography tools

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HowaboutRAW

Have you used the 23mm f/2.0 lens?

I have, it's not optically staggering or anything but it's very good. And I can think of tricks to improve it.

For example it's a better lens than the SonyZeiss Nex 24mm f/1.8. It's probably not better than the best PanaLeica lenses for the m4/3s system though.

Of course kind of expensive.

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Jim Evidon

I would guess that it is less expensive in the long run.
A casting would require machining to clean up surfaces and bring them into closer tolerance to assure precision fit for the components to be installed subsequently. So why not just design the body to be machined from a solid billet to begin with?

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Vlad S

I wonder if there is any advantage to machining the shell out of a solid block instead of casting it? Is it just for bragging rights, or is there something else to it?

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Jim Evidon

I am a happy user of a Fuji XPro-1 and an Olympus OM-D as well as Leica M's.

Leica is a hand manufactured, assembled and tested camera. Therefore, as compared to other excellent Japanese cameras like Fuji or Olympus which are mass produced, the price is going to be greater.

While I can't speak for these new Leica T lenses, Leica lenses typically have a certain character in the way they draw images. It can be seen in the contrast, the color, sharpness and bokeh that is best seen rather than objectively described. Does it result in a better image? There is a subject for discussion or argument.
Do the images justify the price? To some, yes. To most consumers, probably not. But then Leica has never been for most consumers who run out an buy the latest version offered by the mass market.

Leica directs their products to a nitch market of professionals and hard core photographers who appreciate the quality build and long-lived ruggedness and who will continue to support their market.

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Sannaborjeson

But can a digital camera be really long-lived nowadays? To me there is a bit of confusion here. Leica builds their cameras like if they supposed to last tens of years.

This approach could work for mechanical cameras but it does not make sense for digital. In 5 years Leica T will be just a piece of nicely crafted but outdated consumer electronics. In 10 years you are unlikely to find a spare battery for it and it will turn into a nice bookshelf decor.

So to me it is a sort of gimmick, imitation: camera exterior tells you that it is built to last while on the inside it is just a digital camera. Don't we know that digital cameras are now for only a few years like computers and phones?

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SergioNevermind

As you mention. Leica lenses: contrast, color, sharpness and bokeh. Not a doubt about it.

Products directed to the ones that can appreciate these wonders and can AFFORD them.

For me it´s ok somebody takes care of doing the best they can, not considering price compromises.

The APSC aproach seems to put leica on their way again, a way they have missed for too many past years.

Welcome back.

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iAPX

It's not Leica Lens, made in germany, it's lenses designed by Leica, made in Japan, and "magically" corrected by internal algorithme.s

So it's irrelevant to talk about the best german-made M lenses, when talking about algorithmitly-corrected japan-made T lenses :)

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John Driggers

You're right, but don't tell Steve Huff. He'll block you, start a new post and then bash you.

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jkokich

Do the pictures justify the price? No.

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Model Mike

Yes the sample shots are awful. Looks like the photog about 5 minutes to spare and sandwiches in both hands.

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Petak

Other than the sensor (unfortunately) this is clearly an optical tuning of Samsung NX2000 withe a messed-up firmware :-)))))

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masticina

Geesh I am in late.. mmm a leica APS-C sensor 16Mpixel ILC. I can't hate it.
Yes it is expensive but materials are better yes. Yes the lenses for it will be unbelievable out of reach but again they are well build. So .. yeah I can't nor desire to hate it.

But do I want it? Not really.. for that money I could buy an ILC with faster focussing. Or a GH4 with a nice F1.4 lens. I am definitely not the target for the leica.

Looks are nice but to me performance matters more.

Still it looks good and I think it will attract a certain crowd. That and its build quality will be quite nice to say the least. Now don't bind me unto it but it might last longer then some other ILC's.. part wise.

It simply is not my brand. But I see why some people love it. good for them :)

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iAPX

I have many japan-made lenses that are greats on my Nikons gears.

I just would have a confirmation that japan-lenses are " are well build" on he Leica tradition?

Please confirm it, it's interesting :)

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shutterbud

Well well well. Leica charge you a fortune for their "Optical Excellence" and it turns out to be smoke and mirrors. I was never likely to buy this camera but a tiny part of me wanted to be able to justify saving for it if the results were spectacular.
Now it looks like even more of a chuffing con.

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HowaboutRAW

What DNGs have you looked at?

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Scottelly

Over $1,000 for a 23mm f2 lens, made by Leica, and you think it's going to suck? Do the S2 system lenses suck? NO. Please explain yourself, because I surely do not understand where you're coming from with such a comment.

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HowaboutRAW

Scottelly:

I'd posit the OP is looking at jpegs, and also believed DPR when DPR claimed no software correction for the lenses.

It's fun for some to say, even if inaccurately, "look how over rated the star is".

No, not every Leica lenses is excellent (see the PanaLeica LF1/C), but the DNGs I've seen from this T zoom look very good to me. Far better than Sony Nex kitzooms and better than Fuji and most Samsung kitzooms.

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shutterbud

I'm looking at the barell distortion and vignetting which are corrected in JPG. Not good enough for an eye-wateringly expensive lens.

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HowaboutRAW

shutter:

Try looking at raws, and doing your own corrections.

Name a small zoom for an APSC mirrorless system that doesn't have barrel distortion?

Name a lens without vignetting when open wide? (There may be one or two, but they aint cheap--some Leica S lenses would be on the potential list of no vignetting.)

Also I see you're not commenting on the 23mm f/2.0. Note that as a pretty good general rule, distortion will be less with fixed focal length lenses than with zooms, no matter who designed the lens.

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Miron09

It seems to me that Leica n tries to sell mediocre and cheaply produced products under the reputation gained with the few exceptional lenses they produce once in a while.
I myself heavily rely on the old Panaleica 25mm and the Nocticron
https://picasaweb.google.com/110955796927925538104/MonastereOrthodoxeDeLaTresSainteEtDivineTriniteDompierrePentecost2014
I`d buy normal and short telephoto lenses from Leica only, nothing else, no wide angle, no Macro, none of their technically outdated and often shoddily produced cameras. I have met a lot of people over the years who had the most incredible problems with Leica cameras. No wonder as they are made by third parties, with only some intermittent work done in Leica factories in Portugal and Germany. Germany is not really a factory, just a very few people doing finishing jobs.

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iAPX

The 23mm seems to be underpart. See the reviews :)

This is the most sad part for me, because elsewhere I will have considered the Leica T with a wide-open 23mm, as my everyday gear (it's expensive but still if pictures are greats, I could live with that).

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HowaboutRAW

iAPX:
I have yet to read reviews of the 23mm lens, but my experience was it is good not great.

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Just Ed

Think it looks quite ugly with that huge black EVF.

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HowaboutRAW

Would you buy it, save for the EVF?

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Infared

...but it is one of the coolest looking add-on EVF's ever!
...but I will keep my EPL6 and EP5 with V-4's thanks. I have incredible lens selection, WAAAAAY faster glass (some of it Leica branded), and better performance all the way around....for less money. :-). I am sure that the image quality will be comparable as well!

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Just Ed

No, but it is still ugly.

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HowaboutRAW

Just Ed,

To clarify: The antecedent of "it" is the EVF, right?

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ageha

The lenses still look like designed by Panasonic...

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HowaboutRAW

And even if that were true, the PanaLeica lenses for the m4/3s system are optically excellent.

Have you examined the lens on the X-Vario? Do you think it designed by Panasonic, how about the X2?

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ageha

I own Pana Leica lenses for m43 and the newer ones are good. I'm not too happy about the 45/2.8 but it's one of the first ones. Anyway, the design looks misplaced on the T. I'm just complaining about the cheap plastic look at this price point.

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HowaboutRAW

ageha:

It looks a lot like the X-Vario.

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Klipsen

Looking at the shape and the layout of the controls, it bears a striking ressemblance to the NEX-7.

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ageha

Minus all the buttons. Not really...

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HowaboutRAW

ageha:

Sorry I thought--well actually know for certain--your original comment was about the look of the lenses. And indeed the small zoom looks like the X-Vario's zoom lens.

So "it looks like the X-Vario" makes sense as short for "it looks like the X-Vario's lens."

Klipsen:

Pay attention to the fact that the original comment was about the lenses for the T system.

And no, the T's body doesn't look particularly like the body of the Nex 7. It does look a bit like the body of the Samsung NX300--a point numerous comments have already made.

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Klipsen

The twin thumb wheels the position of the built-in flash (of which the Samsung has none), the general shape of the grip.
Here's a direct comparison with a Sony Alpha 6000, which is the spitting image of the NEX-7:
http://www.techgoondu.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/P_20140429_163655.jpg

I haven't been able to find a similar picture with the NX-300, but I still don't think it looks more like the Leica T than the NEX-7 does. Quite the contrary.

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HowaboutRAW

Klipsen:

Where's the built-in EVF on the Leica T? The A6000 and Nex 7 both have one.

May want to check the general shape of the Leica's and Samsung's grips.

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ageha

Seriously, just because the Leica has two dials next to each other? The cameras don't look alike at all on that posted photo. Yeah sure, both look like cameras.

The Leica's body looks more like a copy of Samsung's NV series: http://www.fotopolis.pl/media/obrazki/NV10bisPrzod.jpg

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Klipsen

Even more seriously, if you can't see it, it's because you don't want to see it. The front face on the grips of those Samsungs' are angled, the front face on the grips of the NEX-7's and the Leica T's are parallel to the backs of the cameras

How you can begin to think that the Leica T looks even remotely like the Samsung NV series is beyond me.

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ageha

Wow, you remember the whole NV series? I don't apparently.

Anyway, both grips' front faces are parallel? I think I never saw another camera body with a feature like that before the NEX appeared. It simply can't be, it's as unique as the rectangular display or the round dials.

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HowaboutRAW

Klipsen:

Here are some more images of the Samsung NV 10:

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-NV10-Digital-Optical-Reduction/dp/B000GHXWS4

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-NV10-Digital-Optical-Reduction/product-reviews/B000GHXWS4/ref=dpx_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1

Famous German lens maker name attached too.

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Klipsen

To both of you: Which part of "bears a striking ressemblance" do you interpret to mean "looks identical"?

You mention cameras that have slant-sided grips, a single selector wheel and no built-in flash - and then say they look like the Leica T, but the NEX-7 doesn't ressemble it.

Get real, girls.

P.S.: It was ageha who brought "the whole NV series" into this debate, and chose one camera to illustrate it. I take it from your remark that the model in question was a poor choice, but it wasn't mine, so don't blame me for not knowing my NV series.

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HowaboutRAW

Klipsen:

Get real, the Nex 7 has an obvious built-in EVF, which neither the Leica T nor the Samsung NX 300.

It's not like either ageha or I are the first to comment on the Leica T resembling the Samsung NX300.

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