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Fujifilm X30 First Impressions Review

August 2014 | By Jeff Keller
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Based on a pre-production Fujifilm X30

The Fujifilm X20, introduced in January 2013, was a pretty impressive camera. With a 2/3" X-Trans sensor, relatively fast 28-112mm equivalent F2-2.8 lens, and a design that fitted right in with the company's other X-series models, it was a refreshing alternatives to other premium compacts.

While not a huge leap forward, Fujifilm's X30 has some noticeable changes, including a move from an optical to electronic viewfinder as well as adding an articulated LCD. The X30 also gains a ring around its lens for adjusting settings, as well as a dedicated movie record button. The 'guts' of the X30 remain the same, meaning that it has a 12MP X-Trans CMOS II sensor and EXR Processor II. One of our main complaints about the X20 - battery life - has been dramatically improved on the X30.

Fujifilm X30 key features

  • 12MP 2/3"-type X-Trans CMOS II sensor (8.8 x 6.6mm)
  • EXR Processor II
  • 28-112mm equiv. F2.0-2.8 lens with manual zoom adjustment
  • Hybrid (contrast + phase detection) autofocus system
  • ISO 100-3200, expandable to 12800 (JPEG only)
  • Six customizable buttons plus ring around lens
  • 2.36M dot OLED electronic viewfinder with 0.65x (equiv.) magnification
  • 3.0" 920k dot 3:2 tilting LCD
  • 12 fps continuous shooting
  • Addition of 'Classic Chrome' Film Simulation Mode
  • Built-in Wi-Fi including remote control from a smartphone or tablet
  • Full HD movie recording (1080/60p, 36Mbps bit rate), with built-in stereo microphone and external mic input

That's an impressive list of specs for a camera with an MSRP of $599. We've been using X-Trans sensors for a while now and have been impressed with their quality, though they don't tend to handle green tones terrible well. The EXR Processor II performs well, with snappy focusing and a fast burst mode. The only areas in which the camera feels sluggish are menu navigation and wake-from-sleep (which is slow on most Fujifilm cameras).

While a lot of people love their optical viewfinders, the one on the X20 wasn't terribly good. The X30 has a beautiful XGA OLED viewfinder that's quite large for this class. The rear LCD is also nice, and now has the ability to tilt upward by a little more than 90 degrees and downward by 45.

Fujifilm has expanded its selection of Film Simulation modes with the addition of 'Classic Chrome', which simulates the appearance of Kodachrome (though for licensing reasons, Fujifilm can't say that). The camera lets you bracket for film similation modes (among other things) and you can also change it using the in-camera Raw processor.

One final addition is Wi-Fi, which is nearly standard on enthusiast cameras in 2014. Using the Fujifilm Camera Remote app you can control the camera, download photos, or add location data from your smartphone.

Specs compared

The table below gives you a quick look at the differences between the X20 and X30:

 
Fujifilm X20
Fujifilm X30
Effective resolution
12.0 Megapixel
Processor
EXR Processor II
Lens focal range
28-112mm equiv.
Lens maximum aperture
F2.0-2.8
Control ring around lens
No
Yes
LCD design
Fixed
Tilting (~90 up/45 down)
LCD size (resolution)
2.8" (460k dot)
3.0" (920k dot)
Viewfinder
Optical
Electronic
Viewfinder coverage
85%
100%
Continuous shooting
12 fps
Max video resolution
1080p/60
External mic input
No
Yes
Wired remote input
No
Yes
Wi-Fi
No
Yes
Battery life (CIPA)
270 shots
470 shots

We've already covered most of those, but it's worth noting just how much better battery life is on the X30. At the time of publication, the X30 has the best battery life of any enthusiast compact.

Equivalent Aperture

Below is a look at how the X30's 2/3" sensor and fast lens affect depth-of-field and (potentially) image quality:

The above chart shows the changes in 35mm equivalent aperture as the equivalent focal length increases. This chart allows you to see the effect of the different aperture and lens ranges, taking into account the different sensor sizes. The X30 starts out with most of the inexpensive enthusiast compacts and stays neck and neck with the Olympus XZ-2. This is interesting, as it shows how the larger sensor of the X30 and faster lens of the XZ-2 cancel each other out. The more expensive cameras G1 X II and RX100 III have an advantage throughout their focal range, though the RX100 II falls behind the X30 at around 60mm.

So what does this all mean? Simply put, it means that the X30 allows for shallower depth-of-field than the cameras that are 'above it' on the chart and, more appropriately here, vice versa. One could also make the assumption that the X30 will have pretty good low light performance unless compared to a couple of more expensive models.

Pricing and Accessories

The X30 will be available in black and silver

The X30 will be available in black or silver/black at a price of $599.95. Available accessories include a leather case, lens hood and protective filter, various external flashes, and an external mic.


If you're new to digital photography you may wish to read the Digital Photography Glossary before diving into this article (it may help you understand some of the terms used).

Conclusion / Recommendation / Ratings are based on the opinion of the reviewer, you should read the ENTIRE review before coming to your own conclusions.

We recommend to make the most of this review you should be able to see the difference (at least) between X,Y and Z and ideally A,B and C.

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BobFoster

Perhaps the image quality produced by the Fuji sensor is competitive with the larger 1 inch except for those who need the very large prints or other large reproductions formats. A small minority of photograpers by most statistics. Of course large sensor is very important to the pixel peepers. If you have these requirments just go full frame sensor and be done.

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tennjed

I purchased the X30 yesterday-could not resist-and find that, generally, I do like it better than the X20.

I am having a problem with the Fn6 (Wifi) button in that it is extremely hard to get the thing to work. First of all, you have to depress it with a lot of force to get it to work; and then, it sometimes will not work at all when some functions, e.g. ISO, are assigned to it. At first I thought it might be physically damaged, as it does not protrude from the camera body surface like all of the other buttons; but then I noticed that the button in the DPR photos does not protrude either.

Also, I am having difficulty getting Wifi to work with my IPhone (Yes, I have loaded the Fuji App)

Are any other X30 owners having these problem?

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gLOWx

For those tempted (or already using) X-Trans sensors, forget about Lightroom support. They took 5 years to get an average/acceptable Olympus/Panasonic rendering.And Capture One still eat LR for breakfast in this domain.

You want the best picture from your Fuji X-Trans (and Pana/Oly too) ?
Get Photo Ninja.
And integrate Photo Ninja as export/plugin inside LR if you want to use LR management and plugins support.
Adobe are like Canon : they move only when they are forced to. And Fuji market share is not going to force them, even Pana/Oly didn't succeeded ;)

Take some hours on Photo Ninja and you will never use anything else for meticulous raw rendering. Especially on X-Trans.

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jadot

Sure, but workflow/speed with Photo Ninja is about as close to awful as you can get.
Depending on what you intend to do with the pictures, the best software is the one that addresses the workflow/DAM/features/IQ balance the best for the individual.
Image quality differences will be negligible between any DAM/Raw converter, especially for a sensor as small as the X30's.
I use C1 Pro for the bigger X-trans sensor as I believe I can see a difference for my kind of photography. I personally don't get along with Lightroom but I know many who do and are consistently churning out excellent photography.

The idea that there is one perfect technological answer to problems such as algorithmic RAW conversion, and that that answer is given by a fringe product (in this case PhotoNinja) is too blinkered.

And all too often such comments seem to be driven by an often misplaced sensibility toward disliking a giant such as Adobe.

Remember - Lightroom is not a conspiracy!

2 upvotes
jadot

Pick a workflow that works for you and then get good at it

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gLOWx

I was speaking to ppl thinking they will get a good Trans-X support in LR : don't even think about it. It is not going to happen anytime soon.
I use LR, but for plugins after RAW rendering, catalog, publishing, small edits... It is not a matter of conspiracy again.
Adobe don't care about Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus and Sony.
Another reality not related to conspiracy, but just money and market share.
I agree with you about workflow, because at the end, if you can't handle your pictures, they are useless and just hard drive fillers ;)

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FredDeLarge

What always amuses me is that in the days of film, no one really seemed to mind the popular 35mm format with its limitation of, no matter what lenses used (including those of Leica), classic hallmark grain and tonal crudifying tendencies branded the format. I don't know what today's equivalent in megapixcels would be but you can be sure that it would not be very high! Imagine my surprise then when a friend, many years ago, showed me a portrait he'd taken with a new Olympus 3.3 mp digital camera he'd just bought. Professionally printed out, it was of a clarity, detail and cleanliness the would have easily fooled me into believing it was shot on either 120 or maybe even 5x4 film! And this from a tiny three megapixcel sensor! So how then, ten years on, can a sensor size of 12 MP have any adverse bearing on picture quality today? None, I suggest!
But to the new X30 - does anyone know if the X20's blotchiness in gradients in low light levels (such as in grass under a bush) has been cured?

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kimroy

Not the size of the X30 is my problem, but the weight. In my opinion a pocketable camera should not weigh more than approximately 300 grams.

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Timmbits

Given the size of this thing... a little massive for a very small sensor camera by today's standards, I feel disappointed that Fuji isn't offering a 1" sensor or larger. I might even prefer a 1" from Nikon with lower megapixel count, for the larger photosites, rather than a 1" Sony sensor.

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Timmbits

ps: it is the size of a G1Xii or LX100
http://j.mp/10cyL97

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Timmbits

Can you send me one in black and white?
And I don't mean the dress or the envelope disguising it all.
I mean the sensor of course. No queer color filter array there to mess things up. And we can do away with the microlended too - no need for those. messing things up. Just photosites, signaling whether light's on, or not, and how much of it there is, diving into each photosite.

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Timmbits

sorry. sometimes I think my fingers are dyslexic! I meant no olpf for a B+W version.

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Tord S Eriksson

It is still weird that the chart above showing the equivalent aperture for the X30, and the XZ-2 are almost totally identical, including the focal length range.

To me that says we're very closely related, as no other camera (of those shown) have anything even barely looking a bit similar.

As we know the MX-1 and the XZ-1 and the ZX-2 have the same optics, why then does Fuji show exactly the same graph (there is a tiny deviation, but that is so small that I bet the XZ-1 compared to a XZ-2 has at least that variation, too — clearly within manufacturing variation limits!

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mosc

They are nothing alike because they are totally different sized lenses. They are just almost perfectly the same aperture difference as they are sensor size difference.

XZ-2 is a 1/1.7" sensor, the X30 is a 2/3" sensor. THe larger one is f2.0-f2.8 and the smaller one is f1.8-f2.5. There's a little over 10% difference in their aperture size and a little over 10% difference in their diagonal sensor size.

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buitenkunst

First thing I notice is that its a camera for right handed people, like most camera's. This is pretty awkward for left handed people wanting to shoot holding it with one hand.

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ShadowVlican

well it shouldn't be too hard to use your right hand to operate the camera...

i'm right handed but i shift with my left....

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wetsleet

First thing I notice is that its a camera for right-EYED people (like most cameras)! Try using your wrong eye - I find that even worse than the wrong hand. So I just have to put up with my thumb in my face and my nose squashed against the screen, greasy marks, etc.

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arqomx

X30 or LX100.. considering that :
1. extra optical zoom reach is more favorable
2. on-sensor phase detection AF vs contrast-detect AF
3. favorable skin color rendering
4. cool-looking silver body
5. cheaper :D

I'll opt for X30..

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SMPhoto

I want to love the X30, It's got a great retro rangefinder appeal, solid ergonomics, Fuji image processing (which I still miss after years of moving away from their discontinued professional DSLR line). I'm just stuck on the fact that given that X30 is larger than the LX100, and considerably larger than the G7 or RX100, yet has similar aperture range (albeit with slightly longer zoom range), and only manages to have a fraction of the sensor surface of either. I think Fuji is going to have to develop something in between their 2/3" and APS-C sensors, and figure out how to squeeze it into a X30 size body without slowing down the lens if they want to stay relevant in the new high end compact market.

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white shadow

It will satisfy most compact camera users with the built-in EVF and even have a hot shoe. But think again.

The size is so big, even bigger than the LX100.
When it comes to sensor size, it is among the smallest.
The price is not that cheap either.
Shooting RAW maybe frustrating with the Silkypix software. Still no Adobe support.

Perhaps the only thing that they can shout about is the battery life and they are really shouting.

For about the same price, the GM1 will beat it on image quality and ease of carrying around. Definitely, a better value even if I need to carry a spare battery.

There is no need for the EVF and hot shoe. Those who need them can consider the GM5.

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fedway

This is for x-trans fans. Someone who is not has no reason to buy this camera given alternatives.

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arqomx

hmm.. I thought Adobe has extensive support for X-Trans' RAW nowadays, even as far as retaining Fuji's film simulation mode as per Adobe LR 5? CMIIW..

For a poor hobbyist like me, $300 difference in price is quite huge. Convert it to IDR (IDR 7 Mio for X30, almost IDR 10 Mio for LX100), the price difference is almost the same as regional minimum monthly wage :D

Yes indeed LX100 has bigger sensor, but out of 17mpix available only 13mpix is utilized? IMO that would put LX100 equally-sized sensor as X30, again CMIIW..

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white shadow

If money is a concern, it is best not to buy any of these as a second camera. The best value is a Canon S120. Small, convenient to carry around and give quite good image quality for a very reasonable price.

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arqomx

yes it is, unfortunately the high-ISO noise is quite...rough for my taste, but that is purely subjective of course..

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white shadow

A P&S camera like the S120 is always a compromise. Even the X30 is. Very few or no small sensor camera will give good high ISO images. For me, I would always use below ISO400, ISO800 only when I have to stretch it. When one can use it at ISO200 and below, the image quality is more than acceptable.

A micro4/3 sensor like that found in the LX100 or GM1 should give a much higher image quality. I am quite satisfied with the image quality of the GM1. Ultimately, you usually get what you pay.

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arqomx

in the end it's back to our personal taste (and distaste) of course..

meanwhile, my country's Fuji rep said that it won't coming until November.. ssshhh...

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white shadow

And also your budget.

I have actually tried a pre-production unit of the X30. Personally, I find that it is just too big for what it is. There are also a lot of choices for the asking price.

Try it for yourself before you take the plunge.

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arqomx

slightly larger than my previous X20 (which I sold last month in anticipation for X30 :D), so it still fits nicely in my leg/thigh bag..

what made me want to upgrade? the EVF, better battery life, and the wi-fi (useful for candid remote shot :D)

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shutterpete

I had an X20 which I have since sold but looking at the photo samples of the LX100 I find the X20 was a sharper lens and colours more vibrant, or am I wrong?

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arqomx

try using dpreview's new studio scene comparison tool for better evaluation of each camera's sharpness and noise performance

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Dougbm_2

I think the move to EVF is significant. Who wants an optical viewfinder that doesn't show at least 95% of the image - not to mention parallax issues.
The sensor being the same size may look poor against the new offerings from Panasonic and Sony but in the end the results are what matter. Improved af is welcome. An increase in size is a bit puzzling. Personally I would rather they had put the 25-100mm zoom from the Xf1 in.

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phecda

The X30 is the only camera of this type that provides certain capabilities that are important to me, notably accommodation of an external microphone for video, and interval shooting. I might wish that it had a Bulb setting for long exposures but can live without that.
I have not owned a Fuji camera before--this will be the first--and will give it a shot. It's not shipping until November, and I am pre-ordering completely on spec since I have not seen one in person and probably will not until this shows up at my door.

I've been using a Canon S110 and love it to death, but I want a second high-end P&S with more capabilities and the X30 comes closest to fulfilling my requirements.

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Dougbm_2

But is the video any good? Not a Fuji strong point.

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Timmbits

this is definitely a significant step up from your s110 (which you won't even want to touch anymore once you're at home with the controls on this thing).
but for the money, wouldn't you want to wait, rather than pre-order? I mean, there is the RX100iii, LX100, GM5... lots of interesting cameras coming out.

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Tord S Eriksson

This camera is a clone of the XZ-1/XZ-2 and the MX-1, as they use exactly the same lens and very similar sensor type. Evidently an OEM supplies the optics and the focusing mechanism, while the brand name makes the outer casing and add their own, tweaked, firmware (possibly the electronics, too, but the similarities are scarily similar).

The two that stand out, is the X30, with built-in viewfinder, and the MX-1 with none (not even a external, mechanical/optical, option, as the X10 has)! They are also the two heaviest, by the way:

http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/side-by-side?products=fujifilm_x30&products=fujifilm_x10&products=fujifilm_x20&products=oly_xz1&products=oly_xz2&products=pentax_mx1&sortDir=ascending

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Ocolon

That's far from true.

The Fujifilm uses a F2.0–F2.8 fully manual zoom lens with a focal length of 7.1–28.4mm, the Olympus XZ-2 and Pentax F1.8–F2.5 motorized zoom lenses with focal lengths of 6.0–24.0mm. The Fujifilm features 11 lenses in 9 groups, the Olympus XZ-2 and Pentax 11 lenses in 8 groups.

The Fujifilm uses an 1/1.5" X-Trans pattern sensor, the Olympus XZ-2 and Pentax 1/1.7" Bayer pattern sensors.

The similarities between Olympus and Pentax are obvious. The Fujifilm, however, is definitely not a clone.

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Ocolon

Oh, and Fujfilm uses an optical lens shift image stabilizer while Olympus and Pentax use sensor shift stabilizers.

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Tord S Eriksson

Ocolon,

Those are big differences: Bayer, or not, and the type of anti-shake! I'd forgotten that!

But why does Fuji bother with cameras with so small sensors?!

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John McCormack

re: "But why does Fuji bother with cameras with so small sensors?!"
Because not everyone needs a huge sensor and the 2/3rds sensor is quite good for 99% of the buyers. I would surmise that most X30 users rarely even make a print.

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Bsadvies0104

I stated it before, i use the Leica Digilux 2 with only 5m pixels. It is the lens that counts. I also own a x10 and i have made panorama prints of 180cmx30cm with more enough of details. I don't agree with Tord and i agree with John. Unless you are not making prints who the hell cares about the sensor size, unless you are a pro and have to have make prints in poster size. I think that we can say that all the people who wants a new camera with even bigger sensors every time a new one is on the market, are not photographers, but are more interested is wanting a small camera with the specs of a fulltime frame. I like to say to them, get out, and take some pictutres. To be honest, i take my old Leica Digilux 2 more out then the x10, because the pictures loods amazing.

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bluewater77

I own the X30 and do make prints, and I have to say that up to 13 x 19 inch prints are amazing with that little sensor. I showed them to some photographers, they didn't even notice anything that looked like small sensor. The 100% pixelpeeping view is totally overrated.

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Timmbits

the 2/3 sensor is something they are already invested in and have their production lines tooled for. it goes back to the X-S1 (and maybe earlier).
I think that when they decide to put in a 1" or a MFT sized sensor into their compacts, they will be facing a decision whether to invest significant dollars into redesigning all their lenses and lens parts... they probably have a library of parts they can just choose from, when they make their camera model evolve. Change the sensor size to something you haven't used, and you are starting from scratch.
It is unfortunate, because I would have liked to see a successor to the X-S1 with at least a 1" sensor, if not a MFT sized one.

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Timmbits

@bluewater77: print size is resolution dependent, not sensor size dependent.

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Dtech

It's funny, last years large 2/3 sensor is this years, "But why does Fuji bother with cameras with so small sensors?!"

The EVF, handling and manual zoom is really what makes this camera standout from the rest - not to mention its retro look. I don't get too caught up on sensor size in this type (compact/street/walk around) of camera. If you want to do serious prints or pro work none of the aforementioned cameras are serous contenders.

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Jazz1

I'm pretty happy with my X20, but the upgrade bug is calling. I've got a Sony A6000 on order, and previewed it at a local Best Buy (don't get me started on how awful that experience was).

Anyway, the electronic viewfinder thing is new to me, and I can't say I particularly liked the A6000 EVF, as I panned the camera across the room I go this strobing effect. The sales person said the strobing was the exposure being compensated for and could be turned off. But he didn't recommend it.

I guess I'm old school and like optical. Does anyone thing the X30's EVF will be better than the A6000. I don't know if any reviewers that have access to the X30 haunt these forums.

My real problem is no one in my area is going to carry the X30 so I have to either order one and check it out myself, or hope someone of the forums can make comment on the X30 EVF vs. the A6000's viewfinder at some point.

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auctionman

I am an optical VF guy too, but I tried the XT-1 in a camera shop and the viewfinder was amazing. I would trade in my Canon 7D if I didn't have so muych lense investment! The EVF in the XT-1 is the same in the X30, it is awesome! The only thing holding me back from the X30 is some negative comments about the Xtrans sensor and colors and software needed to edit. Any X20 users that could comment here on their experience would be welcome!

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timo

I'm sure an update to Lightroom will quickly become available (it works ok for the X20). I tried the X30 EVF in a shop the other day and I thought it was excellent, and would transform the experience of using the X30 as compared to the rather frustrating viewfinders on the X20 and X10. I would have pressed the buy button on an X30 if the LX100 hadn't muddied the waters - waiting for the first serious reviews of that before I make a decision.

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v_roma

I love the new design and I have always loved the way the Fuji X10 and X20 handled, particularly the manual zoom. In fact, the haptics alone have me tempted to get the Fuji X30 despite the small sensor size since it solves my main gripe by far with the previous two models, which was the crappy viewfinder. All that said, it is a shame that Fuji did not go with a 1" sensor. I am sure there are all kinds of reasons but, in the current environment with 1" compact options multiplying plus the announcement of the LX100, a 2/3" sensor on a camera larger than a NEX 6 is hard to make sense of.

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Mike FL

"A 2/3" sensor on a camera larger than a NEX 6 is hard to make sense of".

Not mention that NEX 6 is $100 cheaper than X30.

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Photoman

Would prefer to spend more and get a RX100M3 or Pana LX100.

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captura

Too much has been made of the relative value of having large sensors. These days, most of the technical advancements have been made with smaller sizes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHYidejT3KY&feature=youtu.be

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LaFonte

I don't see need to stuff big sensor in a small body for enthusiastic.
Even the small sensors in $600 cams should produce a significantly better image than a high end smartphone otherwise people will stop buying them as they already stop buying the low end PS.

I think camera makers are still lucky the smartphones are not there yet...

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Mike FL

Low-end P&S has been always (and will be) on P&S TOP selling list such as:

- $60 and $70 Olympus
- $50 Kodak
- $100 Canon
- ...

http://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Digital-Point-Shoot-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/330405011/ref=zg_bs_nav_e_3_281052

BTW: Sony DSC-RX100M III is only #13 on P&S List , and It is funny to see some people thought P&S is dead.

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Mike FL

captura,

The YouTube video that you posted is promoting APS-C type sensor, and the guy thinks APS-C is the BEST sensor size because it is as good as FF sensor.

I'm not sure APS-C type sensor is as good as FF sensor, but Sony NEX-6 does use APS-C type sensor.

BTW, APS-C sensor is much, much, much, larger than 2/3 sensor in X30.

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gmke

Although everyone has the experience of buying something with appeal only to find later they wish they had spent a little bit more, I have yet to regret buying a 1:1.6 / f1.8 compact camera because I still get good use of it. Though not my main camera now, I don't always need or require the best camera I own. Bottom line: the pitch on these fast glass compacts is valid. If you don't have a camera and wish to enter the game, you should NOT buy a 1:2, 1:2.3 or 1:2.5 pocket camera. I have one of those too, that I use outdoors at Scout Camp once a year. General photography requires a bit more and these advanced compacts are a great place to start. If you are only ever going to buy one camera, you SHOULD fork out that little extra for one-inch because the slightly larger sensor gives you two stops, 4x shutter. Another $100 will get you THREE stops if the LX100 that comes out tomorrow lives up to the rumors. 8x shutter speed will save some shots! All our picky opinions are about keepers.

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Chimayred

uh, guys, don't really know a lot about technology, but i do use an X10, have an EM-5, had a Nikon DSLR a few years ago, and have had a bunch of cameras that took really good pictures....and I have to tell you, the quality of the pictures on the X10 are sensational, and the X20 is even better. I spend a half hour a day looking at pics on Flicker's X10/X20 group and Sony RX100 group, and i'll be damned on my Ipad if I can tell that one has a 1" sensor (which BTW is a geometric joke....it's not like it is a full frame or something....) or not. The FUji pix are sensational, so are the Sony. There is more to a camera and IQ than sensor size, i mean, arne't we just looking at pixel envy again? What about image stabilization, color rendition, focus time, etc.? Sorry, i've taken great pictures with my old G10, which now has a sensor in it that my photo shop tells me is for a point and shoot (even though I bought it from them...). Come on. Look at the pictures, not the sensors.

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Anastigmat

That much money for a big camera with a puny sensor. Never going to waste my money on it.

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captura

"The times they are a changin.' "

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jmkuba

Too little change between X20 and X30 and between X100S X100T and wait for successors

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jeremyclarke

Too little is relative. "Appropriate" is just as accurate unless you think you SHOULD be upgrading your camera every year. Anyone with an X20 or X100S should have many more years of enjoyment out of it, these new models are for people who don't have one yet.

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captura

Yes, and if you are doing JPEGS, consider the X10 or the X100.

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autochrome

There's the loss of the optical viewfinder, and imho that was a loss. More battery life or new battery, it's an improvement. Everything else seems disappointing. The thing that differentied the X20 from other cameras is lost, and why buy it now when the LX100 is around? I really wanted to like this camera but was expecting much more. A 1" sensor, even if this meant a slightly shorter zoom range, for instance 24-90mm f2.0-2.8. Proper manual focus, not focus-by-wire would be great. With this and the OVF you minimize power consuption, parallax error be damned. Making it more of enthusiast oriented. Manual diaphragm ring would be great too, but i would be happy with proper manual focus already, and some kind of focus confirmation in the OFV.

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0 upvotes
tbcass

Why is a camera with such a small (2/3) sensor so large? If I want a camera that big I'll get a mirrorless 4/3 or APS-C. "Just Sayin" ;-)

5 upvotes
jeremyclarke

Ergonomics is one reason. I love how my X-E1 feels in my hand, anything much smaller would be ridiculous to use with an EVF. Most of the tiny MFT cameras have no built-in EVF, so there's no real comparison.

3 upvotes
tbcass

Sure there is. 4/3 which is of similar size and ergonomics and has better IQ. I don't own a 4/3 camera so don't accuse me of being some kind of fanboy. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

0 upvotes
captura

Not always true. The Sony NEX-5 series cameras are relatively small and lightweight, but offer one-handed shooting and great handling with one of the smaller lenses attached.

0 upvotes
zoooming

So large? They're 'small' for those dslr shooters looking for a walkaround compact. Some find the Sonys and their 1" sensors too small. For me it would be ideal.

1 upvote
captura

Those have an APS-C sensor.

0 upvotes
LaFonte

I have RX100 and everybody knows it is super small. But put it against x10 and you would realize that the rx100 is about maybe 80% of x10, it just the x10 looks bigger because of the many knobs and things.

0 upvotes
seanmcd

Why do I want this camera so badly?

2 upvotes
jeremyclarke

Maybe it's the improved UI compared to the older Fuji cameras? Maybe you are just a junkie for owning everything and leaving comments on DPReview?

It's probably not the bokeh.

2 upvotes
wolfie

About to be shamed by the the smaller Lumix LX100 with M43 sensor and faster zoom ...

1 upvote
onlooker

LX100(0) is supposed to have MFT sensor? I thought it was supposed to be the same 1" as in FZ1000.

0 upvotes
solsang

The LX100 has a slightly cropped MFT sensor, factor 2.2 so if you choose aspect ratio 16:9 it is as wide as a MFT, the lens is thus kept smaller and lighter than if it was a full MFT sensor
16MP Four Thirds CMOS sensor (Up to 12.7MP used)

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-lx100

1 upvote
historianx

You guys crack me up. There's no such thing as a "m4/3rds sensor." It's a 4/3rds sensor. "M" refers to smaller, "mirrorless" lens mount on the interchangeable lens cameras.

IOW the LX100 has a 4/3rds sensor, just like my trusted and battered E-5.

0 upvotes
onlooker

@historianx -- Look here: http://www.four-thirds.org/en/special/microftmerit/merit2.html
(This is Four Thirds organization).

Read QA section items 1 & 3:

"1. Micro Four Thirds sensor: High image quality in both still images and movies.
[...]
3. Why is the Micro Four Thirds sensor so sharp in spite of its small size?"

Now go away.

2 upvotes
jfoote

How did 16 people already have this? It hasn't been released yet?

0 upvotes
sanhodo

I'm sure you are right. Mainly just wishful thinkers.

1 upvote
captura

And how is it that they became such rabid fanboys?

0 upvotes
autochrome

They could've pre-ordered and considered themselves "owners" already? I know that's not quite right but... who knows...

0 upvotes
captura

I believe that a few received samples to evaluate and therefore they developed a profound sense of gratitude.

0 upvotes
Mateus1

HUGE camera for such tiny sensor. Fuji should take lesons from Sony how to put 1" sensor and fast lens into body. Porobably Panasonic LX-8 will be also much smaller than X30. Some APS-C are just a little bigger than X30.

3 upvotes
Griffo 155

There is simply no need for Fuji to change the sensor size from 2/3 to 1inch... Having used both sensors 2/3 on Fuji XF1 and 1inch on Nikon 1 V1 the quality is better on the Fuji... Mainly due to the layout of pixcels...

5 upvotes
Mateus1

Yeah, it's "very simple" but for you, not for many dissapointed X-10/20 users who expected 1" sensor and are not going to move for x30. New buyers will chose 1" Sony or Panasonic expected LX-8.

1 upvote
tbcass

"By Griffo 155 (3 days ago)
There is simply no need for Fuji to change the sensor size from 2/3 to 1inch... Having used both sensors 2/3 on Fuji XF1 and 1inch on Nikon 1 V1 the quality is better on the Fuji... Mainly due to the layout of pixcels..."

I just compared the Sony RX100iii to the Fuji X20 (same sensor as X30) and at iso 1600 the Sony easily beats it. At lower iso the Sony beats it due to greater resolution. Fuji made a mistake using a 2/3 sensor. The pixel layout performs no miracles but it sounds good on paper.

I owned a Fuji S9000 back in the day when they touted the "Super CCD" because of it's pixel layout. It was no better than any other similar cameras in IQ.

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Griffo 155

If you want 1inch sensor I'd go Nikon 1! they pack a great punch...

0 upvotes
captura

I own an X10 and also a Nikon 1 J1. Each has it's points. The N.1 is exceptionally intelligent and offers the highest keeper rate of any camera I have ever owned.

0 upvotes
perry rhodan

"The built-in OIS (optical image stabilization) mechanism delivers an image stabilizing effect equivalent to 3.0-stop*4 and is extremely effective in preventing blurring caused by camera shake or subject movement". Snipped from the fujifim dot com site. Huh?

3 upvotes
onlooker

Hehehe... Fujifilm has figured out a way to stop time.

3 upvotes
jeremyclarke

Ha ha okay I think you got them. What an awkward mistake, it sounds so natural on first reading but is so obviously wrong when you think about it.

0 upvotes
jeremyclarke

Wouldn't be them figuring out how to stop time, but instead them hooking the OIS up to subject tracking, and shifting the lens to match the movement of a subject. Like it would give you a similar effect to when you pan to track a car and end up with a sharp car but motion-blurred background.

PROBABLY NOT WHAT THEY MEANT GUYS.

0 upvotes
Robert Garcia NYC

I don't understand this says it would need a bigger lens for a 1". Sony's are pretty small and very high quality. I don't see why Fuji can't do this.

0 upvotes
solsang

Fuji currently doesn't make a 1" sensor and would have to develop at new, and given the tragedy of X10 orbs because of using a new sensor they are understandably very cautious of doing the same mistake again!!

They have optimised the current sensor and firmware very well so there is less green smudging and less shadow noise in the X30, much cleaner than the X20 and absolutely useful at iso 1600

The autofocus is WAY better, even in low light, and by using the same sharp 28-112 they can keep it free from CA and corner softness which might have been a problem using a new 24mm (although i had really hoped that they made it 24-150mm:)

2 upvotes
Dabbler

Sony RX100III only zooms to 70mm. To runout to 112 and have fast aperture the lens would have to be bigger.

5 upvotes
tbcass

True but the camera is so big as it is who cares if the lens is bigger?

2 upvotes
captura

The RX100 III which as you say, only zooms to 70mm, is much smaller than the X30. But the previous model RX100 II had a longer lens range to 100mm. It's all give a little here, take a little there.

1 upvote
captura

Well the whole idea was to take the lens wider to 24mm, like the panasonics. I owned an LX3, and never liked to very wide but short zoom range.

0 upvotes
SMPhoto

I would think Fuji might jump on the 1" bandwagon. This camera is considerably larger than the R100, yet has less than half the sensor area. I know that is one thing that allows the faster lens, but I would jump on 16-20mp 1" version of this camera, even if if the lens dropped to say 2.8-4.0.

1 upvote
nlko

I own the X20. It is true that it uses a lot of battery and forces me (for saving battery) to use a lot the view finder that covers seulement 85%. So a better battery and a real viewfinder is a plus.

The ergonomy of the X20 was good but the X30 control ring, one more programmable button and a better placed Q button is a plus too.

Anyway as I have been disappointed by the Fuji warranty support I won't buy it neither could recommend the brand.

(for instance in my case I discovered that a tiny scratch on the body voids the warranty for any internal trouble that it would have later.)

1 upvote
captura

Actually they were very good to me in repairing 2 things on my X10 under warranty when they really didn't have to.

1 upvote
kimroy

I accidentally dropped my X10 om the street and Fuji repaired the camera without charching a euro.

0 upvotes
lensblade

For me the spec is ok, provided the camera itself remains small in size. But I find the design of the X30 lacks the elegance of the X10/X20. It looks bigger and altogether a bit run-of-the-mill. Bigger batteries with longer life are always useful, but that advantage is tempered by the fact that the batteries used on the X10/X20 are small and easy to carry. Fuji may have positioned this camera in no-mans-land where people are short of reasons to buy it.

3 upvotes
captura

I especially love the way that some folks think my X10 is a Leica.

0 upvotes
snapa

... or maybe that button should not be there until about a month after the camera has been released. That way, immature children would not be able to play with things that should not be there in the first place.

3 upvotes
DanK7

...and maybe the 15 people who have clicked "I had it" can tell us why they got rid of theirs...(something's kinda funny)

0 upvotes
Aroart

I think people should stop talking about cameras they haven't used and use the cameras they own...

8 upvotes
EssexAsh

oh how wise you are. Lets just remove all reviews completely from now on and be done with it.

1 upvote
Dabbler

You can't just 'jump on 1" bandwagon' . Sony makes their own 1" sensor. Nikon uses Aptina sensor. And Fuji prides themselves on their sensors and the IQ they produce. And the Fuji 2/3" sensor is not less than half the size of a 1" sensor. At least not based on what I learned in elementary school.

2 upvotes
Provia_fan

The other thing is reading through all these posts paints a really weird picture of the authors of a lot of the posts: people with very small hands with psychic powers, they can see the future but yet still look for what they want in the wrong place or rather thing.... :D its entertaining...i'm gonna go take some photos with my small sensor camera, I think it's a better thing to do than looking at it with ruler and metric tape at hand, it's not what it was made for. I see things don't ever change in these forums, I think i'll go back into photos and avoiding forums like this :D I'll leave you wit the work of Alex Majoli and his small sensor camera (which since the advent of the 1" sensor has been deemed worthless) http://www.robgalbraith.com/multi_page8c1c.html?cid=7-6468-7844

6 upvotes
munchaussen

forums -although im new in this one-, helps to debate and consider a lots of things from a camera and/or its evolution, i think anyone will not stop buying a camera only considering what its spoken here, and without having a solid and personal conclusion of an item.
i know what your point is, but as i said before- i prefer to hear all the opinions from different perceptions and cares; rather than have an unique veredict about a camera. that veredict is and should always be, personal. XD

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Faxutojournalist

Provia_fan,

Thank you for that link! I own an X10 (as well as other Fuji bodies) and have taken images that have won awards and have sold prints from it. These reviews and these discussions generally tend to be based on the "is it worth it" context, so they are less philosophical than your comment. Though valid points on larger sensors, IQ, etc, I find that the resulting images as well as how the camera fits your needs and style are more important. e.g., I can agree that the RX100 images look better at high ISOs, but the ergonomics and getting at the functions/settings expeditiously doesn't work for me with this camera (I was looking to replace my X10), but it does with the X10. The images out of the X10 (likewise the X20/X30) are fine if you're not shooting portraits where extreme shallow DOF is required. To me, the X10/X20/X30 is a nice reportage camera. You can see my X10 images at http://www.lightandmatter.org/2012/equipment-reviews/fujifilm-x10-the-little-camera-that-can/

3 upvotes
Provia_fan

It looks like many are not familiar with the concept of cognitive friction and complain about the cameras looking the same and offer the same features, but If I was to enter the Fujifilm market at the low end with intention to reach the higher end, I wouldn't like my camera controls or interface to change much as I upgrade. It is in fact made that way so people would not have to go through a steep learning curve. Think about that next time you use a camera different from yours.

2 upvotes
captura

Well for me the alternative was to use the little Fuji as a P & S and it works fine that way. Little learning curve required.

0 upvotes
Paul Farace

No OVF, no like... no purchase!

-- owner of XPro1, X100, XT1

4 upvotes
munchaussen

hahahahaha

2 upvotes
fakuryu

The XT1 has a full time EVF right?

12 upvotes
richheath

I have a feeling you wouldn't like the OVF of an X10/20; especially if you're expecting something comparable to the X100. As an X10/X100/X-E1 owner I can assure you that an EVF of X30 proportions is much preferable to the dinky X10 OVF.

2 upvotes
captura

I mostly just use the screen on mine.

0 upvotes
zcus

Has the movie mode improved at all??

2 upvotes
Michael Doleman

Just one question. What does "terribly good" mean?

4 upvotes
munchaussen
0 upvotes
avicenanw

And I don't know what terribly well is either ... "they don't tend to handle green tones terrible well".

1 upvote
Felts

It's the Queens English, what!
(Said in a terribly posh English accent)

0 upvotes
technomad

It's one step ahead of "Jolly decent"

3 upvotes
Death89

So good, its bad would be a modern equivalent I suppose.

0 upvotes
captura

Try awfully good.

0 upvotes
munchaussen

People, if fuji´s puts a 1" sensor and all the things u want, the camera would cost like...ehm.. 1000 dollars, or even mor. LOL

0 upvotes
ThatCamFan

How do you come to that conclusion? Firstly many 1" sensor camera's go for less than 1000$ (heck I got a Nikon 1 system + 2 lenses for under 500$) And even if it would be 1000$ with a 1" so what?

0 upvotes
Seagull TLR

If Fujifilm puts a 1" sensor, people bitch it is not Micro Four Thirds sensor. If Fujifilm puts a Micro Four Thirds sensor, people bitch it is not APC sensor. If Fujifilm puts an APC sensor, people bitch it is not FF sensor.

6 upvotes
ThatCamFan

Yes and no Seagull, it is correct people will bitch over anything, but sometimes the complaints do have some merrit, for example charging 600$ for what can be regarded today as OLD technology like the X30 (Also hello Canon)

0 upvotes
captura

And some Sony fanboys are reaching for the stars now complaining that their fullframe A7's with heavy uber-lenses are not big enough and demanding new, even bigger medium format cameras.

0 upvotes
theprdg

Does anyone know what storage format this camera requires (i.e. exFAT, FAT32, etc.)? Much thanks!

1 upvote
John McCormack

- Glad to see that "Silent Mode" is carried over to the X30.

- Can someone explain the advantage of the "Classic Chrome" film look? The samples I've seen on the Fujifilm site don't look all that unique or different - not the Kodachrome look we had back in the day.

0 upvotes
avicenanw

It seems like it is their version of Kodachrome. Both Kodak and Fujifilm have a long history in photographic film emulsion. I don't know why they don't call it Fujichrome (which is a Fujifilm trademark). Maybe they want to differentiate it from their digital version. My 2 cents.

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0 upvotes
JimW-203

I suspect "Classic Chrome" allows the potential buyer to pick whatever vintage emulsion gets the emotions going. It could be any: AgfaChrome, AnscoChrome, KodaChrome, EktaChrome, ad infinitumChrome. It may actually emulate a specific emulsion, but many buyers will still see their favorite in their imagination of what "Classic" entails.

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0 upvotes
captura

I like that: emulsion-emotion.

0 upvotes
LuBOSS

Here's why I'll never buy X30:
I was one of the first owners of X10, I won it in a photo competition (€569 saved).
My experience went frome excitement to quite a big disappointment. My main complaints are that despite good overall photo quality, faces are unnaturally skewed towards edges of the picture, supermacro has really very small DOF, difference between dynamic range 100% and 400% is almost none, I never managed to shot 360° cylinder-view panorama even under perfect conditions, and modes such as soft skin or pro focus (bokeh) have very apparent signs of post-processing.
Anyway, not to mention the rubber grip that fell off, two main issues are a lot of dust in the lens despite using lens cap + case, and after 2 and 3/4 years the lens got broken - the zoom ring is cracking between 50-85mm and the picture on the lcd is 'jumping'. Turning the camera off is too hard. And the IS seems to be gone.
Est. repair cost €260.
So I'm not going to risk €550+ for new camera with the same lens :(

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2 upvotes
kforever

I had X10 also (bought since 2011) and use almost everyday to take many documentation photo for job until now instead of using my X-E2 and X-M1. I've been replace my lens due orbs phenomena because my X10 is first generation production.

For dust, okay i had the same thing. Its the problem but almost no affect to my photo quality. But for lens broken ? Never feel the same like you. How do you use it ?

2 upvotes
Menneisyys

"I never managed to shot 360° cylinder-view panorama even under perfect conditions"

Did you use a pano head and a correctly aligned entrance pupil? If you didn't, no wonder you had parallax errors. Only cameras (e.g., iPhones) that continuously sample the very center vertical area of the sensor (instead of stitching much wider shots) can produce almost-flawless panos WRT parallax errors when shooting handheld.

1 upvote
LuBOSS

@kforever, "How do you use it ?" - well, what should I say: normally? carefully? always using a lens cap, a case, also a neck strap. Anyway, prior to the lens problem, there already was a problem with the zoom ring - using it was not as smooth as when the camera was new and turning the camera off became quite tough. I was told by the repair service guy, that there were people having troubles to turn their camera on, sometimes totally jammed in the off position. It was because of some on/off switch related part that got broken or detached from its place. He said, that in his opinion having zoom ring working also as a mechanical on/off switch was a stupid idea from Fuji. And in my case, most likely that problematic on/off switch (or its related part) caused some other part(s) in the lens getting jammed and getting broken afterwards as I was using the zoom ring. I know that my problem is not unusual and I lost my trust in that Fuji's "Made-In-Japan" quality statement.

0 upvotes
makofoto

Haha ... LuBOSS complaining about very small DOF in Supermacro mode shows that he KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY!!!

0 upvotes
LuBOSS

@makofoto, and you surely never tried X10 - and compared its output with supermacro shots from other cameras.
And btw, as you could see, I won my X10 in a photo contest by Fuji and my picture was taken with, guess with what a 'pro' machine: Canon A570IS, beating all DSLRs...
So obviously you're right, I know nothing about photography - believe what you want - whether it's true, that's the question, but that doesn't bother you.
PS: I have a friend, who knows absolutely nothing, I mean NOTHING, about music theory. He can 'play' piano with one finger. But he has music in his head. And when I heard his EP, I've fallen off the chair how great it was.
Got the point?

0 upvotes
captura

Next time, try a Nikon 1 for reliability.
But I like both of them.

0 upvotes
Backstage

Hope this is not the expected bt not confirmed X100T ;-) Electronic viewfinder, tilt screen, ...

0 upvotes
cgarrard

Jeff, doesn't the X30 have the largest viewfinder of its class? Not to mention that it's built in?

4 upvotes
Sannaborjeson

Got lost in Fuji's model range.
Too many same-looking cameras with nearly identical features and IQ.

8 upvotes
Lightime81

I totally agree with you. To my admittedly amateur eye, I feel like almost every camera company has too many models with too much feature overlap. It seems like they could all benefit their bottom line by making fewer models.

2 upvotes
Mike FL

"Got lost in Fuji's model range"? Try Nikon 1's J and S line.

8 upvotes
calking

This is true -- they have released a dozen models that are all similar.

0 upvotes
Mike FL

"they have released a dozen models that are all similar". Also Nikon has lot of accessories for Nikon 1 system such as Wifi adapter, GPS adapter, Video lighter, flashes.

Oh well. Nikon has to find a way to sell its body first.

0 upvotes
Provia_fan

I suppose you are not familiar with the concept of cognitive friction, but If I was to enter the Fujifilm market at the low end with intention to reach the higher end, I wouldn't like my camera controls or interface to change much. It is in fact made that way so people would not have to go through a steep learning curve. Think about that next time you use a camera different from yours.

0 upvotes
fakuryu

"Got lost in Fuji's model range."

Try any other DSLR line

1 upvote
solsang

There are 3 different fuji X cameras; the X30, the X100s and the ILC, then you select based on how much money you have:)

Fuji themselves said in an interview that they have too many ILC models now, and was going to cut down, the A, E and M are quite alike, while the PRO and T1 share the high end, mainly separated by the optical viewfinder

1 upvote
Zigadiboom

Fuji have no doubt produced some fine cameras over the last few years. However to be frank this model falls short. The body is much larger than the RX100 yet the sensor is much smaller. The X30's camera dimensions r almost the same as the G1X Mark 2 yet the latter's sensor is way bigger.

Fuji's sensor tech is very good with excellent low light performance and dynamic range particularly from its APSC's. Stuff one of those or slightly smaller into the X30 body and people will definitely take notice.

8 upvotes
cgarrard

And nobody's taking notice now?

:)

A large sensor isn't the end all for choosing a camera. What's important is how much a camera makes you want to use it, the IQ is definitely good enough for most needs.

13 upvotes
Larry Liebenbaum

I bought my X20 just over a month ago. I feel that, among other complaints, Fuji has cheapened the X20 unnecessarily without having added any real, substantial gains. No increase in shutter speeds; no increase in aperture. On the other hand the improvement in the monitor is a giant leap forward. Maybe, after I've used the x20 for five years, I could be persuaded to upgrade .

0 upvotes
phoenix15

Suddenly it becomes the most popular camera in DPR ? How come ?

1 upvote
Revenant

Because it's the most recently announced. The popularity list is based on the number of views in previews/reviews during the last five days. The X30 won't stay at the top for long.

3 upvotes
kecajkerugo

For the 1 in sensor lovers:
1. Yes, The latest 1 in Sony sensor is the best at this point but.....
2. Notice that X-trans sensors are more capable than the Bayer ones in the high ISO department so the smaller Fuji sensor can be ~ equally capable as a larger one (see below)
3. Compare the Fuji X20 samples to the Nikon J/V series, older, newer whichever one you want (low light, set up same, print resolution for back to back). Do you see it? It is now arguable that 1 in is always better. Older Nikon ones are worse (look at the JPEGs and RAWs), newer are just different: less chroma noise on Fuji, ~ more noise overall on the Fuji but not much.
4. The X30 implemented new processing engine so the JPEGs are just better than for the X20 (search on the Fuji- rumour) so the comparison would be more favourable for the Fuji with the X30 files available.
5. Sensor is not everything: the lens does the job too!
6. Fuji cameras are just pleasure to use (controls are for photographers)

Regards.

18 upvotes
cgarrard

Controls or slightly better sensor, I'll take controls 10/10 times.

10 upvotes
Mike FL

Very well said "5. Sensor is not everything: the lens does the job too!"

Panasonic LX7's lens is brighter and wider; F1.4-2.3/24-90mm. This is major reasons that I bought LX7 but NOT Fuji X10 even X10 has OVF.

I do not think X10/20/30 has one stop advantage in low-light IQ comparing to LX7 as LX7's lens is one stop brighter.

If Fuji want to compete with flagship P&S from Sony and Pana, give us a 24mm lens at least.

It is a shame for Fuji engineers are unable to develop a brighter and wider lens than X10/20 for such a big body. Is not it?

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ThatCamFan

1. Eyup there is no buts.
2. Not really, they fake the numbers and the reason DXO mark does NOT do tests on them is because Fuji refuses to hand out the real ISO numbers, iso 400 is more like iso 200 actually on fuji's. Which is the reason for me selling the X100s
5. Yes the sensor is not everything but it is one of the two most important things in camera.
6. Yes they are.

0 upvotes
captura

Yes the JPEGS and the video were better in the X10m too. Don't need XTRANS.

0 upvotes
BlueBack

I suppose X30 have the same exellent macro functions as X10-- ?

0 upvotes
BlueBack

What about the un-usable and kincy manual focus at X10 and X20. Is it quick and easy at X30----- ?
BlueBack

0 upvotes
Mike FL

For me, an ideal P&S should have:
- Better low-light IQ
- Bright and wider lens
- Small
- Longer battery life (X30 has very long battery)
- Fast start-up time
- One hand operation

...

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Mike FL

Now, here is X30, but it is not a small P&S camera compare to Sony RX100-M3, but RX100 has 200% larger sensor and wider and bright zoom. Plus "One hand operation" Sony has auto lens cap+power zoom.

...

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Mike FL

If X30 is designed by Sony, the lens will be very much on par with LX7 (F1.4-F2.3, 24mm-90mm) if not brighter or longer because such big camera/small sensor.
...

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1 upvote
Mike FL

Back to useability and (low-light) IQ, I do not think X30 will be better than aged Pana flagship LX7 (even X30 has 50% larger sensor), but LX7 has:
- Wider zoom - useability
- Full one stop bright lens
- LX7 can shot with one hand after you take out the lens cap or use a 3nd part auto lens cap, but X30

Question; Will Pana release a LX8?

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1 upvote
Mike FL

I do not know why I can not post all the text at once even it is much less than max allowed characters. Oh well.

0 upvotes
Dabbler

In what universe is Sony's 1" sensor 200% larger than Fuji's 2/3" sensor?? And the RX100III lens may be slightly wider (4mm) but is 42mm shorter focal length (70 vs 112mm). People who buy lottery tickets don't understand math.

0 upvotes
Mike FL

Dabbler,

You need to go back to elementary school first...

0 upvotes
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