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Canon EOS M hands-on preview

July 2012 | By Andy Westlake


Preview based on a pre-production Canon EOS M

It's now almost four years since Panasonic first introduced us to the mirrorless interchangeable lens camera, in the shape of the Micro Four Thirds Lumix DMC-G1. Since then, all of the other major manufacturers have entered the fray, in the process offering cameras in a variety of shapes and sizes - from diminutive beginner-friendly models such as the Olympus PEN E-PM1, to unashamedly high-end models like the Sony NEX-7 and Fujifilm X-Pro1. Nikon, meanwhile, has ploughed its own individual furrow with its family-friendly 1 J1 and 1 V1 models. This simply reflects the fact that different cameras are targeted to different kinds of users - be they serious enthusiasts looking for a small, highly capable camera, or compact-camera upgraders looking for SLR-like image quality in a smaller, easier-to-use package.

Canon is the last big player to show its hand, and its initial entrant - the EOS M - is unashamedly targeted to the latter group of users. To all intents and purposes it's a mirrorless version of the recently-announced EOS 650D, but with a simpler interface that's designed to be more approachable for novice users, and obviously much more compact in size. It's based around a new 'EF-M' lens mount, and two matched lenses will be available at launch: the EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM zoom, and the EF-M 22mm f/2 STM 'pancake' prime. But it's still very much part of the EOS system, and all of the company's existing EF and EF-S SLR lenses can be used via the co-announced 'Mount adapter EF-EOS M'.

The EOS M features a compact, magnesium-alloy body, and will be available in four colours - black, white, silver and red. It has no built-in flash, but instead a hot shoe on the top plate, and in many markets (although not the US) it will come bundled with the new AAA-powered Speedlite 90EX unit. There's neither a built-in viewfinder, nor connector for an external unit - composition is solely using the camera's rear screen (which is fixed, rather than articulated).

Canon EOS M key features

  • New EF-M lens mount (optimized for APS-C sensor size)
  • 18MP APS-C 'Hybrid CMOS' sensor
  • Continuous autofocus in movie mode with subject tracking
  • 14-bit DIGIC5 processor
  • ISO 100-12800 standard, 25600 expanded
  • 4.3 fps continuous shooting, 3 fps with autofocus tracking
  • 1080p30 video recording, stereo sound (with 25p or 24p options)
  • External microphone socket and adjustable sound recording level
  • 1040k dot 3:2 touch-sensitive ClearView II LCD (capacitative type, multi-touch support)
  • Standard EOS hot-shoe for external flash (no built-in flash)
  • 'Creative Filters' image-processing controls, previewed live on-screen
The EOS M will be available in four colours - silver, red, black or white - although they may not all be sold in all markets.

The EOS M's commitment to simplicity is reflected by its physical control layout, with buttons and dials kept to a minimum. The exposure mode dial - a staple of Canon's EOS range for over 20 years - has been reduced to just three positions, distinctly reminiscent of the company's Ixus / Elph compacts. The rear of the camera is also rather compact-esque, with a familiar combined 4-way controller / settings dial and just a smattering of buttons.

The lack of physical controls is, however, substantially made up for by the large capacitative touchscreen on the back. This uses much the same interface that Canon introduced on the EOS 650D, and stands out as the most usable, comprehensive and engaging touchscreen that we've yet seen on an interchangeable-lens camera. But whereas on the 650D its use is very much optional, on the EOS M it becomes the preferred method of interaction with the camera.

Because mirrorless cameras have struggled to make headway in the US, Canon is only going to sell one kit option in this market. Targeting an enthusiast buyer, the camera plus 22mm pancake will be available from speciality photo stores only for $799, with the 18-55mm zoom sold separately for $299. The company will also be emphasizing its video capabilities, which are essentially the same as the EOS 650D but in a smaller, cheaper package.

Movies can be recorded in Full HD 1920x1080 resolution at 30, 25 or 24 fps with stereo sound, using the highly-compatible MOV format and H.264 compression, with a time limit of 29 min 59 sec per clip. The EOS M offers a choice of either fully automatic exposure in video mode, or as much manual control as the user wishes to take. The 3-10x electronic zoom first seen on the EOS 600D, but mysteriously missing from the EOS 650D, is also available - with minimal loss of quality at the 3x setting.

New EF-M lens mount

A new mirrorless system needs a new lens mount, which Canon has called EF-M to emphasis its continued compatibility with the company's existing EF mount for autofocus SLRs. It's a fully-electronic bayonet mount, with 9 contacts between the lens and camera. Unusually, the white dot for aligning the lens is at the 11 0'clock position on the mount.

The EF-M mount is 58mm in diameter, with a flange distance of 18mm from the bayonet to the sensor. As the image above clearly shows it's matched specifically to the APS-C sensor size. So don't expect a future full frame EF-M mount camera - it's not going to happen.

Like all other mirrorless cameras, the EOS M's shutter is open by default even when the camera is turned off, exposing the sensor. This may seem disconcerting to SLR owners, but we've never experienced any problem with this approach. Like Canon's live view-capable SLRs the EOS M uses an electronic first curtain to activate the exposure, and the physical shutter is only used to end it. This helps reduces shutter lag and keep shutter noise down - meaning the EOS M is one of the quieter models of its type.

Two new EF-M lenses: EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and EF-M 22mm f/2.0 pancake

The EOS M is released with two new lenses for the EF-M mount - an 18-55mm image-stabilized standard zoom and a compact, 'pancake' prime. Both feature Canon's 'STM' stepper motor for autofocus, which allows near-silent refocusing during video recording. This means electronically-coupled 'focus-by-wire' manual focus; thankfully though Canon hasn't been tempted to discard physical focus rings. However there are no switches to set the focus or IS mode - these are controlled from the camera.

Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM and EF-M 22mm f/2.0 STM

The lenses use minimalistically-styled, plain cylindrical barrels that bear more than a passing resemblance to Sony's NEX series optics. In terms of dimensions they're fairly typical for their class, which means they're smaller than corresponding SLR lenses; the zoom is near-identical in size to the Sony E 18-55mm F3.5-5.6 OSS, whereas the pancake is very similarly-sized to Panasonic's Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH.

As the only cameras we've seen so far are pre-production, it's premature to say much about focus speed. But while on first impressions the 18-55mm focuses pretty quickly, the 22mm is distinctly slower. This is not totally surprising given that the entire optical unit racks back and forth for focusing; this is not a design approach that's ever been associated with ultra-fast focusing on this type of lens. But we'll wait for production cameras and lenses to make a proper judgement.

Lens specifications

 

Canon EF-M 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6
IS STM

Canon EF-M 22mm f/2 STM
 Format  APS-C  APS-C
 Focal length  18-55mm  22mm
 35mm-equiv focal length  29-88mm  35mm
 Diagonal angle of view  74°20' - 25°70'  63°30'
 Maximum aperture  1:3.5-5.6  1:2
 Lens construction  13 elements / 11 groups  7 elements / 6 groups
 Focus motor type  Linear Stepper Motor  Linear Stepper Motor
 Focus method  • Internal focus
 • Focus-by-wire manual focus
 • Unit focus
 • Focus-by-wire manual focus
 Zoom method  Rotary, extending barrel  n/a
 Minimum focus distance  0.25m / 0.82 ft  0.15m / 0.49 ft
 Filter thread  • 52mm
 • Does not rotate on focusing
 • 43mm
 • Does not rotate on focusing
 Dimensions  60.9 x 61mm (2.39 x 2.4 in)  60.9 x 23.7mm (2.38 x 0.93 in)
 Weight  210g (7.4oz)  105g (3.7 oz)

Size compared

The EOS M is a small camera - indeed one of the smallest APS-C models around. Here we compare it to the EOS 650D and Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF3.

Here's the EOS M with the 22mm f/2 next to the camera with which it share its innards - the EOS 650D with EF 40mm f/2 STM lens. As you can see, eliminating the reflex mirror and optical viewfinder has enabled a dramatic reduction in size.
Here's the EOS M side-by-side with the Panasonic Lumix GF3 - a model that's similarly-aimed at compact camera upgraders, and one of the smallest mirrorless cameras around (it's since been replaced by the similar-size GF5). Both cameras use a touchscreen to complement their limited array of physical controls, but the GF5 has a built-in flash rather than a hot shoe. It also uses the slightly smaller Four Thirds sensor.


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Jokica
By Jokica (10 months ago)

I guess we will see new forum on this site, where users (other then NEX) will scream for more native lenses!

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acjohnson55
By acjohnson55 (10 months ago)

Jeez, the format JUST launched. Maybe give them a year to develop more lenses? Nikon's CX system only has four so far, and isn't even compatible with their other gear.

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Jokica
By Jokica (10 months ago)

I think if Canon launched M mount 18-135mm STM, we would be reading whole different story here. That kind of range would satisfy most of needs. But, Canon want early adopters to buy first pancake, than 18-55mm, maybe some legacy with adapter, and after than they will happy their brandlovers with 18-135mm STM

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Albino_BlacMan
By Albino_BlacMan (10 months ago)

Can you include a shutter sound video in all review with some way of standardizing volume (same recording settings, same distance from the microphone, quiet room etc.) I know with some other cameras (early PEN's) I was blown away by how loud and intrusive the shutter was for such a small camera

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Jokica
By Jokica (10 months ago)

Now Canon have joined Sony, Fuji and Samsung in APS-C league, how will Nikon respond? Stay with 1" sensor, or design new APS-C mirrorless line?

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acjohnson55
By acjohnson55 (10 months ago)

I think Nikon made a huge mistake with the CX format, and I thought so months ago. Canon chose a larger sensor that provides continuity with the rest of their pro line. For people who make most of their decisions between the big two brands, I think Canon is much better positioned for the future.

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (10 months ago)

I think the CX format is ideal for premium P & S. Just check out what Sony have done with the RX100. Much better compliment to a DSLR than this.

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Jokica
By Jokica (10 months ago)

Agree with both comments. Exactly what I had in mind. So, I think Nikon should consider this mirroless game seriously and start working on APS-C line, if they do not want to stay behind.

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Gesture
By Gesture (10 months ago)

Excellent preview.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

WOW! What a slug! Watch for the autofocus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa_9kNAMcIw#t=02m00s

Really, I'm not enjoying bashing this camera. Indeed, I wish it were smashingly good, which is only good for competition. What were Canon thinking?

"35% fewer buttons"? Whether you think that's good or not, that someone from marketing put that figure out in the world to discuss says some things about how disconnected from the market and actual photography the people who made this camera were.

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thisisjh
By thisisjh (10 months ago)

It is slow because it is in video mode. That is typical/normal.

However, this camera leaks many features that all other same class mirrorless cameras have or already introduced years back. Not worth the money. Canon failed... whether this is intentional or not..

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Jon Rista
By Jon Rista (10 months ago)

@thisisjh: Only a troll would state something has failed before its even hit the market. I'd bet you (a pretty penny) that when this thing hits the streets it'll sell like hotcakes. It was always intended to be a middle-ground entrant, and not necessarily a "king of the features" type mirrorless option. Personally, I'll hold out for a Canon EOS M entrant that has an EVF, which I'm sure is on the way, but so far I'm fairly impressed.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

OHHHH! That dial around the shutter button isn't for exposure/aperture?! What a horrid design decision!

This was obviously designed by the fools who mucked up the *0D designs, and not by the folks who put together the remarkably straight forward point and shoot models.

Ick.

This crap is stillborn. Nobody wants it, yet...it is still born.

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GregGory
By GregGory (10 months ago)

Let me correct you. "What a horrid MARKETING decision"..

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

Well played, yes, it probably was marketing and not a wise ID.

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acjohnson55
By acjohnson55 (10 months ago)

I think it's pretty clear that this is only Canon's first foray into mirrorless, and that they've targeted this toward the bottom end of the poweruser market. Not to knock this camera, because it looks really nice, but with any fewer features, it would appear a bit deficient. And with only the two lenses available, it seems positioned to be just behind the G1 X.

I fully expect to see a more premium model out within a year or so with features (like an extra control dial, EVF, swivel screen, pop-up flash, etc.) that clearly establish it as the superior to the G1 X and stack up nicely to Sony's NEX-7. This is just a taste of what's to come, so I think it's a bit erroneous to look at this as Canon's final word on MILC.

Also, for all the critics out there, I think people are discounting the amount of pull the Canon brand, sexy form factor, and EF compatibility will have at the point-of-sale. Additionally, the price is obviously going to come down a couple hundred bucks over time.

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Vitruvius
By Vitruvius (10 months ago)

"bottom end of the poweruser market"??? It is priced at double the Samsung NX200 with less features, smaller sensor, less pixels, and lower fps. Canon is WAY off target!

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acjohnson55
By acjohnson55 (10 months ago)

@Vitruvius According to Amazon, the NX200 lists for....guess how much...

$899

You've gotta take these initial MSRPs with a grain of salt.

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acjohnson55
By acjohnson55 (10 months ago)

I might also add that it is at least comforting that all 7 of the Amazon reviewers for the NX200 think it's a great camera.

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joelfoto
By joelfoto (10 months ago)

Looks like a beauty!

My only wish is that the touch screen would swivel and move as on the 650D.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (10 months ago)

Unlike the NEX-5N (which oddly wasn't shown in the comparison shots on page 1), this camera is so dependent on the touchscreen that an EVF actually could be rather awkward. We'll have to see if a later version heads more in the direction of the NEX-7, with controls that work well with your eye on the EVF....

Incidentally, Canon's sample images posted for the EOS M (at http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eosm/) look overly smooth, lacking the crispness one would expect from this sensor. The EOS 650D images at dpreview certainly look much more crisp...?

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (10 months ago)

I am trying really hard to figure out why anyone would even consider this camera, given the really strong field. This is a bit less than so-so, but then I always think that when a camera is offered in red, it's not really targeting serious photographers anyway. This is for snapshooters with lots of money who don't follow reviews.

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RichardBlaney
By RichardBlaney (10 months ago)

Nice comment, to which reviews are you referring to? I did not see any around yet. And judging a camera from body color, wow, that-s an argument! Thanks for that, buying black only cameras will for sure make my photos better, thanks. Judge photographers from their photos not their gear please.

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Sam Carriere
By Sam Carriere (10 months ago)

You missed my point about reviews entirely Richard.
And you really don't think that manufacturers think about demographics before they offer something in fuschia? That would no doubt be news to them

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RichardBlaney
By RichardBlaney (10 months ago)

So where are those reviews you are talking about? Can you also link a portfolio of yours just to understand if you don't fit as well in the snapshotters demographic area?

I see a lot of chatchat here, but looking at the galleries no one criticizing this camera really needs more than a P&S...

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DeMaatin
By DeMaatin (10 months ago)

I share all the gripes about the dull user's interface with You, no doubt. As a part-time Canon pro for 15yrs, I expected a much more refined entry into the ILC market.

But, on the other hand, this little camera appeals to me like no mirrorless camera else. Maybe we should take the livin' easy and just point and shoot with it. The fun potential is immense. If one had offered to me a P&S with the IQ of the EOS T2i (550D) one or two yrs ago, I'd have jumped up and down.

This lil' gem is by all means a proper alternative to the G1X, and I wonder how the pics will be looking like if my Tokina 11-16 is attached once...

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Sakura Sakura
By Sakura Sakura (10 months ago)

Yet another camera without a viewfinder, when will these manufacturers take on board that LCD screens are useless in bright sunlight?

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dopravopat
By dopravopat (10 months ago)

Needs a solid HQ lens line-up, better battery perforance and two dials instead of one.

A nice toy. But I need two dials to operate in M mode, too bad that the top is not a real dial, just looks like one. Also the battery performance is poor and the system needs way more small but high quality lenses. The slow f2 pancake is nothing for me. However a set of dedicated EF-M lenses 10 f2.8, 15 f2, 20 f1.8 (ok this is close to the 22 f2), 30 f1.4,50 f1.8, 85 f 2 and 135 f2.8 would be appealing. Throw in zooms 17-50 f2.8 50-150 f4, both stabilized and you have a highly attractive system.

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Cax
By Cax (10 months ago)

Do you write the bit on how you need two dials on every single camera launched which has only one dial and is clearly not aimed at you as a user? Must take a lot of time!

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dopravopat
By dopravopat (10 months ago)

Actually it is quite a long time since I posted.

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Zoeff
By Zoeff (10 months ago)

@DPreview, I'm confused about this part...

"It allows all of Canon's existing EF and EF-S mount lenses to be used on the EOS M with full functionality (although AF speeds are unlikely to be anything to write home about)." referring to the adapter of course.

This camera has pixels dedicated to phase detection, wouldn't that mean that in theory the focus speed is identical when compared to canon DSLRs?

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (10 months ago)

In short, no. The EOS M uses what Canon calls Hybrid AF, with phase detection pixels used to set approximate focus, then contrast detection used to set focus accurately. This exactly the same system as used by the EOS 650D, which focuses distinctly slower using Hybrid AF in Live View compared to its conventional PDAF with the optical finder.

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don_van_vliet
By don_van_vliet (10 months ago)

Is hybrid AF faster than CDAF when using lenses designed for PDAF then?

I hope that sentence made sense...

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John Cal
By John Cal (10 months ago)

I'm so happy to be a Pentax user. The Pentax K-01 has in body SR, needs no adapter to fit K mount lenses. ......Canon should have done better, but it will sell by the bucket load no doubt.

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Zoeff
By Zoeff (10 months ago)

Or maybe the pentax just has a big adapter that you can't remove, thus permanently increasing the bulk of the camera with an empty mirror box...? ;-)

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (10 months ago)

Yeah but at the K-01's size a DSLR like the K-5 or K-30 makes more sense technically, especially as the lack of any PDAF greatly hampers the K-01's focussing performance on almost all lenses.

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Professor999
By Professor999 (10 months ago)

As mentioned in a previous thread there's quite a difference in size between K5 and K01.

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The Squire
By The Squire (10 months ago)

Canon manages to launch an ILC with even less lenses than the Sony NEX system. Didn't think that was possible ;)

How times have changed. Electronics companies who started selling cheap compact cameras now own the high-end ILC market with the NEX7 and GX1, while the 'proper' photography company releases this dull, me-too point and shoot for the masses.

I'm sure canon have aspiration to release a high-end ILC but they're playing catch-up. This camera shows just how far behind they are.

I dont think they've got the investment to catch up 3-4 years of R&D to create a system that can compete with the well-rounded M43 cameras or even the NEX range. Just because they make good DSLRs doesnt mean they have the capablity in the business to launch a whole new range. Lesser challenges have sunk companies in the past.

Stick to making great DSLRs for a few more years.

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rrccad
By rrccad (10 months ago)

sony launched with the 16mm and the 18-55mm lenses.

unless you are counting the 18-200mm that didn't come out 5 or so months after the release as part of the "launch"

I suspect canon out of all the camera manufacturers is intimately aware of how to roll out a new mount successfully.

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Pro Jules
By Pro Jules (10 months ago)

I am sad it doesn't have a flip out LCD. Thats what I was waiting for. No chance for covert candid shots that I can get on my G11..

Bummer...

Back to wait...

For the next release..

2 x 480 speed lights waiting...

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12fps
By 12fps (10 months ago)

Well. Canon waits for their competitors to put out EVIL, instead of rushing out a new standard. The competitors all have their all mounting system. 4/3, APS C, Nikon V1.. At the end, the one that wins out is the best mount, with compatibility of today's legacy system... The larger sensor, of course the better, but the least sexiest. The smaller sensor allows zoom shooters to enjoy higher crop factor, while punishing the wide angle shooter with fewer alternatives. Since only Canon & Nikon are really great at sensitives at high ISO, I presume they will lead the mirror-less system as time goes, but Canon uses larger sensor, that will even give it more of a edge. For guys like me, I won't buy one, whatever mirror-less on the market are no comparison with today's APS-H, Full Frame, or offer the flexibility of pro-APS-C (e.g EOS 7D). So, it is exciting, but I think Canon G1X will satisfy this crowd for casual and wide-angle shooters. 1D/5D/D3 users no worries. EVIL not yet there yet.

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Mal_In_Oz
By Mal_In_Oz (10 months ago)

Welcome back from wherever you have been (for a long time).

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ageha
By ageha (10 months ago)

"Since only Canon & Nikon are really great at sensitives at high ISO"
- Haha, that's funny mate. :P

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12fps
By 12fps (9 months ago)

Ageha.... It is funny.. Whenever you go to any shop, these 2 brands stand out by a significant margin, because they are too awesome... Of course 4/3 is nice, but far from awesome..

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Mal_In_Oz
By Mal_In_Oz (9 months ago)

12fps.... It is funny.. Whenever you go to any shop, these 2 brands stand out by a significant margin, because they are dinosaurs and old looking... Of course 4/3 is nice, and far more awesome..

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EnsitMike
By EnsitMike (10 months ago)

Everyone, keep in mind how business works. This is their "entry" into the market, and this should and does very well reflect that. They have to phase out their other lineups, like the G1X. This entry camera is going to give their mirrorless sector independent CAPITAL, which will fund an explosion of development for this EOS-M line.

Just wait ;] this is business

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TongY
By TongY (10 months ago)

Canon EOS M slow focus lock on 24-105/F4 - 2 seconds (video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iHHHPOHV7E&feature=relmfu

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RichardBlaney
By RichardBlaney (10 months ago)

I went through all the comments and everyone is just talking about missing viewfinder, ibis or price or whatever, no one talks about lenses and image quality. If sensor is up to expectation this camera will be at least on par with N5 and N7, so, if this 22mm pancake is decent will make a better combo simply because no one realizes that Sony 16mm pancake simply sucks! So you can have a wonderful N7 with your viewfinder and all that geeky cool stuff but then your pictures will suck because that 16mm is barely usable.

On top of this we have to consider that this is Canon, so 10 years from now there will be a lot of EF-M lenses, a huge used market and a lot of new cameras, why? Because it has always been like this with Canon. Regarding other brands, except for Sony and Nikon who can say this? Olympus may not even exist 10 years from now.

So, imho this camera and the EF-M lenses are a good long term investment, and, as always, launch price means nothing, lets see 3 months after launch.

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EnsitMike
By EnsitMike (10 months ago)

There are full resolution shots from the EOS-M on the Canon Japan website, and they are stunning. The 22mm is tack sharp. The image quality isn't a question anymore, it is a fact.

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oysso
By oysso (10 months ago)

A lot of EF-M lenses?
Unlikely.
Maybe a handful. Because the good interopability with EF-lenses.
some zooms and some fixed lenses.

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RichardBlaney
By RichardBlaney (10 months ago)

Important thing is to have good pancakes, an f2.4 wide, and a 50mm f1.something macro would be more than enough if quality is what it seems to be. Canon will deliver such lenses for sure they have the firepower to do that.

Investment is always based on the "platform" or the lenses never on the single body, bodies are going to be changed every 3/4 years, good lenses last decades.

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jcuknz
By jcuknz (10 months ago)

Another blessed camera mount URRRGH!

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Aaron Sur
By Aaron Sur (10 months ago)

one of these with a EFS 55-250 will reach out to 400mm optical ,stabilized as well , at very little cost in price and weight . Perfect for the amateur enthusiast.

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photohounds
By photohounds (10 months ago)

Optical stabilised - 2 stops slower than the best IBIS systems. This is a feature?

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pjsalty
By pjsalty (10 months ago)

For full disclosure, I own a Panny GH2. If I was venturing into a MILC system now I would stick with micro 4/3, but I would definitely buy the Oly OM-D for the in-body image stabilization, gorgeous IQ, and very competitive high iso performance. Plus it's damn sexy.

M4/3 lenses are smaller, and the lens selection has become good over the past six months. This Canon announcement makes me feel good about being in the m4/3 system.

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ageha
By ageha (10 months ago)

I couldn't agree more.

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sj2
By sj2 (10 months ago)

Lots of opinions and lots of people seem to think a camera should be everything to all people. No one camera will ever do that. It is a tool with specific application in mind.

To my mind, unless you are new in the market and have no lens/system, comparison with other brands makes little sense. I have been down the path of owing two systems and did not work.

Lenses are the real investment so to me, makes sense to build a good lens line-up that you enjoy working with. Then fit bodies around your lenses. And that what I like about this little fella.

I can pack it in my bag with the primary Canon dSLR body and lens and when I don't want to lug around the primary body, this little guy comes out and does the job.

Going to sell my m4/3 body and lens now. m4/3 vendors have simply wasted too much time with mediocre lens. If you are new buyer with no existing setup then Sony and Pentax seem like good alternatives except Sony's lack of lens. Nikon with a sub-APSC is a competition?

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kalisz
By kalisz (10 months ago)

Exactly!

I was considering m4/3 or other MILC as a secondary system for small backup unobtrusive camera I could take wherever I want without thinking where to put that fat DSLR. But now, as Canon introduced EF-M mount going with "foreign" MILC makes much less sense for me.

Of course I'd have to get some basic EF-M lens but for less frequently used ones adapter will do.

And while lacking viewfinder and stuff this tiny camera will make perfectly good pictures yet be small and unobtrusive. Will do not only as a backup if main camera gets damaged, runs out of battery, etc. but in some situations it'll be simply better (small cameras, especially those looking "unprofesionally" like ones typical compact "idiotencamera" does not scare away subjects ;) ) or even will be the only option (like in places where big camera can't be used without permit due to being "professional"). I would have yet another use of the small one, but it's niche, very niche...

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agray88
By agray88 (10 months ago)

Seriously? M4/3 have wasted too much time with mediocre lenses?? What about the Oly 45mm/1.8? The Oly 75/1.8 which is described by multiple multiple reviewers are nearly optically perfect? How about the Panny/Leica 25mm/1.4 which is universally highly regarded? Also the Panny 20/1.7 and Oly 12/2 are great lenses. In fact m4/3 lens lineup is light years ahead of every other manufacturer's lineups. Plus they are smaller and lighter (and generally cheaper) than Sony or Pentax's marginal lineups. You are basing your decision based on vapor lenses that haven't even been released or reviewed! M4/3 isn't perfect but one thing is does have is a stable of quality glass! And don't tell me you are basing your decision based on legacy lenses. Wait until you try to pair your huge tele lens *with* adaptor with that tiny body. Good luck on the balance with that.

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EnsitMike
By EnsitMike (10 months ago)

agray88 They are not vapor lenses, the Canon Japan website has full res samples up and they blew my mind. Canon is going to gain momentum and blow everyone out of the water as they phase out the G1X and move pro-sumer compacts to the M line. You stand by your small sensors all you want ;]

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sj2
By sj2 (10 months ago)

@agray88 Yes, seriously :-) I agree m4/3 has few good primes. Not very fast but not bad either. That f1.8 aperture on APS-C isn't the same on the m4/3 so not apples to apples comparison. Consequently, f1.8 on m4/3 is slower than on APS-C (and APS-C is slower than 35mm and so forth).

On Canon, you not only have very nice prime lens line up but the L series of zooms are really good too. Can't say that about zooms on m4/3 which are slow and optically mediocre.

Don't get me wrong - I brought a E-PL1 to a trip to Hawaii, used it with a 135mm Pentax screw mount and thoroughly enjoyed it. I love the Olympus E-Px interface too and currently have a E-PM1 that I sincerely hoped would work for me. But every time I compare the pictures from the E-PM1 + prime with my Canon T2i + 35mm f1.4L, the m4/3 simply does not measure up. I am not really blaming Oly/Panny for all of it - some of it is physics - you simply cannot the same DoF on m43 as on APS-C and that totally changes an image's character.

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sj2
By sj2 (10 months ago)

Overall, I don't get comparisons with other formats/systems unless you are a new buyer. I tried maintaining two systems and did not work for me. This is not to say that current M offering from Canon is perfect and yes, I would not buy it at list of $800 but it would be a welcome addition for me in terms of weight and size.

Regarding the viewfinder rant, I was in that crowd earlier. I have a VF2 for my E-PM1 that's mostly collecting dust now. One, I think an add-on EVF defeats the ergonomics of a small mirrorless camera unless it is built in. Two, I think Canon have done the right thing by providing touch focus/shoot while doing away with EVF. Having used the same touch/shoot on my iPhone, I found is surprisingly intuitive and would even say, it opens a different style of shooting. Sure, it can be disconcerting at first since you are used to the VF for decades but all I can say is, try it with an open mind. Like any other tool, some take time to grow on you.

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photohounds
By photohounds (10 months ago)

You haven't tried tyhe 12/2 45/1.8 and 75/1.8. Kills any lens canon will be likely to put on this type of body for 3 years. Wanna wait that long?

Oh yes a little thing called quality ... not sure if that interests you.

Compare this ...
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1443/cat/14
to this ...
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/150/cat/10

the 1.2 is even SOFTER

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (10 months ago)

Maybe this camera is a case of panic-attack from Canon. They had to have a camera without a mirror ovf as all their opposition had one. But they could not destroy their dslr nest in the process.

The Canon dslr nest must surely be in disarray, no amount of touchy-feely lcd can disguise this.

So if you have EOS EF lenses you might as well run your existing Canon dslr gear until it breaks and then buy second hand bodies. Good enough I guess.

Surely not to spend up big on the latest and greatest professional bodies only to find a professional level mirrorless body announced real soon now? No way is this offering going to be up to large EF lenses, adapter or no.

Furthermore - has Canon now kissed the bald head of this camera with the seal of recognition that the mirror-ovf is well and truly dead. Any viewfinder?

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Jas H
By Jas H (10 months ago)

My conclusion is exactly the reverse i.e. mirrorless cameras are no match for full frame dSLR cameras. Serious users will therefore stick with 5D and better. Mirrorless cameras could well decimate the crop sensor models though, in time. I don't see any mis-step or panic from Canon - just a very late entry to market.

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marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

In the Nikon 1 review, DPR was heavily critical of the lack of external controls. In this EOS-M Preview, the same lack of external buttons is described more as a feature, not a bug because of the "target audience" caveat. Clearly a GF3 is not as nice to use as a GF1 because of the touch screen, yet it's implied in this EOS-M preview that the touch screen can replace mode dials and ISO buttons. Why is it not OK for the Nikon 1 to remove external controls (Nikon was very clear about the target audience for the Nikon 1) yet perfectly fine for the EOS-M?

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thisisjh
By thisisjh (10 months ago)

Maybe DPR just likes Canon better...? or has a weak review protocols.

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DStudio
By DStudio (10 months ago)

In the preview they suggest that it's the best touch screen they've yet used - I think this could explain it!

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marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

I have nothing against touch screens, just don't want them to replace hard buttons.

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kalisz
By kalisz (10 months ago)

Does that Nikon has a usable, capatitative touch screen? Or even any touchscreen at all?

So there is your answer... Menus driven by some keys/dials combo are simply inconvenient contrary to good quality touchscreens.

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micdair
By micdair (10 months ago)

I'd say that there is a difference between review and preview :). Anyway, lack of controls + the touch screen is probably better than without. Also there may be a better and worse layouts even with the same amount of controls. I wouldn't blame them for not being harsh enough before in-depth review...

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kalisz
By kalisz (10 months ago)

I'm more interested if function is easily accessible than if its hard button or place on screen to press. It's simply easier to make them really accessible, bigger etc on that 3" screen real estate not on that 1" margin besides the screen.

Besides... Good touchscreen could be operated in gloved hands easily. Tiny buttons (they have to be tiny on tiny camera if they are tiny on cameras like D800 or EOS-5d) are pretty unusable.

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yslee1
By yslee1 (10 months ago)

While a touchscreen isn't ideal, having used a EOS 650D, I find it way better than the heavy menu-based system of the Nikon 1. Also, Canon might just be sensible and allow exposure settings be controlled with that rear dial, instead of a rocker switch...

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photohounds
By photohounds (10 months ago)

OMD EM-5 has both external controls AND touch screen :) This is entry not state of the art.

Lenses - will they match zuikos?
I doubt it - at least for a few years ...

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (10 months ago)

So Ricoh was right with the GXR A12 mount module? ... Some time ago.

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wwcove
By wwcove (10 months ago)

Where's the beef?

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (10 months ago)

The beginning of the end for my stock of regular EOS EF lenses. So where is the professional level mirrorless camera that might mount my regular EF lenses natively without need of an adapter?
If Canon think that they can supersede my existing EF lens stock and make me re-buy as EF-M they had better think again.

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kalisz
By kalisz (10 months ago)

Mirrrless camera for full frame EF mount wont happen. It makes no sense as it'd be too thick to make a difference against DSLR.

Google "Flange focal distance" - it's a hard fixed parameter of particular mount type - it's a distance between lens mount surface and sensor/film surface. For EF it's 44mm. On (D)SLR it is the space where mirror fits. Then, sensor has nonzero thickness and then there is LCD screen behind it. So ~50mm thicness is a minimum for classic EF camera. You could remove the mirror and still be left with an useless empty space.

EF-M mount has aforementioned distance of 18mm - as there is no mirror - thus cameras can be simply significantly smaller that way.

So don't wait for mirrorless classic EF mount -- it most probably won't happen ever. Adapter is the only real and realistic (and sensible) option.

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michalc
By michalc (10 months ago)

When Nikon introduced N1 I thought Nikon designers/planners/ strategic thinkers did not work hard creating simplistic design/philosophy. Now I've grown to appreciate it. At least they INVENTED new sensor size enabling producing SHORTER and smaller lenses. And what is this thing? cheap looking (but not cheap at all), ugly P&S with good (?) old (cheap) sensor that has been beaten by competition ages ago in every respect. Long live m4/3 and NEX!!! (have one of each). What a relief!!! One less to buy! Thanks Canon!

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (10 months ago)

The GF5 ($599w/14-42 zoom) has 1080p60 , flash and 40 native m4/3rds lenses with two being faster (F0.95) than any Canon or Nikon lens.

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marike6
By marike6 (10 months ago)

GF5 has no 24p making the EOS-M much more desirable for video.
For lenses, the Voightlanders are great lenses, but over $1200 for a lens with the DOF of a f1.9 on FF is not really something to brag about. Personally if I'm going to use a crop sensor camera I'd rather it be APS-C a good compromise for size, DOF control and ability to use wides.

Besides in m43 after the 2 Noktons there is only one f1.4 lens and tons of slowish zooms. So that 40 may sound good, but in actuality there are really only about 6 or 8 nice, but fairly pricey m43 primes/zooms. Contrast that with Canon and Nikon have over 280 native lenses between them and many more third party lenses of all speeds, focal lengths and prices.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

Great, one more reason for idiots to hold up a bright screen and ruin my view at a concert. Thanks Canon!

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Steve
By Steve (10 months ago)

NO EVF
i've been waiting for along time for canon's entry here.. but no evf kills any chance of me buying this one.. i need to be immersed into a composition.. i need a viewfinder. lol, i thought they would at least have that crappy viewfinder i have in my g11..

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nathanleebush
By nathanleebush (10 months ago)

Who is Canon aiming at with this camera? No direct external control and lack of EVF rules out enthusiasts. Soccer moms don't care about sensor size and will balk at the price tag. The Sony RX100 kills this with the point and shoot upgraders, while the EM-5 and NEX-7 crush it from above with EVF, control and IQ (Canon doesn't seem to feel the need to update their APS-C sensor tech). And the EF compatibility is a moot point. No pro is going to be to be throwing their $2k 70-200 on this toy. Touch screen is a nice feature, but there are plenty of places for external dials left blank.

Canon seems to be banking on brand recognition and deep pockets. Will it work? Let's watch.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

To me it looks like damage-control for the infringement on their market share by the Nikon1 and micro4/3 consortium. It's not nice enough to want to move from another Canon to this one, but enough of a distraction to tell Canon clients "yes we have that too".

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (10 months ago)

I seem to remember the EF-S a while back - optimised for aps-c cameras but still fitted on an EF mount. Sort of still-born. Now they seem to think they can launch EF-M and users will happily start buying yet another lens mount system of lenses. Hey! What sbout those that have a big investment in regular EF lenses and wish to go mirrorless? An adapter on to a consumer level body with "oh so beaut" touch screen is hardly a solution. Oh that EOS lenses would easily adapt on to another EVIL-type body, I would have been gone a long time ago. Meanwhile I refuse to upgrade my currently three dslr bodies until I get some news of a professional level mirrorless camera from Canon. One man's protest. And super-video? I guess I can manage my photography without need for any video.

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kalisz
By kalisz (10 months ago)

Sorry, but mirrorless accepting EF lenses without adaptor won't happen. Since it makes no sense whatsoever.
EF mount has flange focal distance of 44mm to accommodate full frame mirror. Such a distance makes no sense on mirrorless camera - body would be unnecessarily thick and too big.
So your only option will be an a adapter.

One day Canon will certainly introduce enthusiast level MILC, probably with more better EF-M lenses. But I suspect that
fully proffessional body won't happen.

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Thomas Kachadurian
By Thomas Kachadurian (10 months ago)

This really makes me worry that Canon just doesn't get it.

You'd think they'd learn from the E-P1 mistake of making a camera with no option for a view finder.

So they are late to the game, but haven't even learned anything from those who came before them.

I'm a Canon guy with lot's of Canon DSLR gear, but the EOS M doesn't even make me think twice about trying a Canon Mirrorless and will do nothing to make me stray from my beloved M-43 cameras. For 13 of the last 15 years my biggest camera expenditures have been Canon hardware and lenses. But I haven't bought a Canon body since the 5DII and haven't bought a lens since 100L macro. Lately I've bought many expensive lenses for M43 and I have three M43 bodies.

I think Canon is waning in terms of photography, with the best days behind them. There was a time when a new Canon would have set the standard for everything else, with this introduction they aren't even keeping up.

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vincelau
By vincelau (10 months ago)

This is exactly the same situation I found myself in. Long time Canon pro and still own the three 2.8L zooms plus the 35L and 135L, but I have not purchased any Canon gears since 5DII except for replacing blown flashes.

I'm utterly disappointed that Canon created yet another mont in EOS-M that is paired with APS-C -> this severely limited the compactness of this system as any quality/pro grade/L lens will have size that is unrealistic on a mirrorless body. This design choice demonstrate the company's focus is still very much on FF DSLR and any venture in mirrorless/light/small camera is purely amaturish. Readers who are not familiar with mirrorless may be lured in with "compatability" with EF/EF-S lens but will be quickly disappointed both in terms of handling and performance as I found out trying to pair 4/3 lens with the first generation m4/3 body.

Agree with Thomas the best balance is m43 with the quality primes and serious body/sensor and size.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

800$ with a fixed or 1000$ with a cheap (f3.5) kit zoom...

and WHY do they call it an "APS-C" when it is only 1" across?

This is definitely misleading advertising to those who trust and don't check!

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

According to the graphic here,
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/sony-dsc-rx100/
an APS-C is more than double the surface area (or close to double in the case of the mini-aps-c in the G1X). What gives? Can someone clarify how an APS-C can at the same time designate a sensor the same size as a Sony RX100 or Nikon1, or one that is 1.5" across or more?
Is APS-C even a size designation anymore?

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micdair
By micdair (10 months ago)

1" of the Nikon is not the diagonal size of the sensor.

13.2 x 8.8 mm - RX100, Nikon 1

22.3 x 14.9 mm this one (Canon's ASP-C)
23.4 x 15.6 mm Nex (Standard ASP-C)

It realy is an ASP-C (Canon's 1.6 crop factor)

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

Thanks for your help. Why do they call it a !" sensor then? 1" is an absolute value, not a relative one. Indeed, that would make them only 15.9mm diagonally.
So are you saying then, that all the data on the little graphs they give us here is erroneous?
http://4.static.img-dpreview.com/reviews/nikonv1j1/images/Sensorsizes.png?v=1546

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micdair
By micdair (10 months ago)

I'm not the right person to educate anyone about this.

But generally it is some sort of non-standardised naming convention historically based on cathode tubes used in video cameras dozens years ago. It is not any physical dimension of the sensor. Probably just good for marketing.

There is an old but nice article here on dpreview
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2002/10/7/sensorsizes

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

OMG I'm such a NooB! Thanks for the info.
Just found this one this morning and was coming here to post it
http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor+sizes
it's a little more extensive, but thanks so much for your involvement and the info. Very much appreciated.

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micdair
By micdair (10 months ago)

Quite disappointed. It is pretty expensive (hopefully, this will settle down after while but not enough I'm afraid), no peaking - MF lenses hardly usable, weak battery life 230 vs 430 of e.g. NEX 5n, no viewfinder option, fixed screen...

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

Yeah, it looks like they just threw something together in a hurry.

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Bill3R
By Bill3R (10 months ago)

Yawn....

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (10 months ago)

And the question is who's gonna buy this Canon if far better APS-C mirrorless are available for less (Sony, Samsung)? -- Probably people with EF lenses, but why do they need a simplistic camera with an expensive crutch (adapter) to attach those big lenses, which won't even work well, if cheaper and better DSLRs already work with them a lot better?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

I agree.
May as well get a Nikon D3200.
After all, don't they deserve people going to the competition if they sit on their laurels?

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VJVIS
By VJVIS (10 months ago)

BORING

Next...

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Peter Bendheim
By Peter Bendheim (10 months ago)

I guess this just edged the RX100 off my wish list. Yes I know it's bigger with a zoom lens on, but only marginally so with the pancake, but the thought of that film-like Canon IQ in a small package is kinda hard to resist. I don't care too much about all the bells and whistles, I can do that with my other cameras.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (10 months ago)

I don't get people saying that the 18-55 is "too big"

It's only 61x61mm

The Olympus 14-42 II (which retracts) is only 11mm shorter (57x50mm)
The Panasonic 14-42 is 61x64mm
The Sony NEX 18-55 is 62x60mm.

So really they are all the same basic size give or take a half inch.

Samsung is the true marvel here at 64x39mm on their 20-50, but they made a retracting zoom design with noticeably less wide angle.

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GregGory
By GregGory (10 months ago)

First of all, the Samy is 30mm equ. at WA, while the "noticeably" wider Canon is 29m...

Secondly, the Pansonic 14-42mm is a low budget kit lens essentially bundled for free - or $130 sold separately. The Canon is $300... Which puts in in the league of the $280 Panasonic 14-42X - which happens to be 44% of the volume of the Canon..

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Janez Sturm
By Janez Sturm (10 months ago)

But Canon has larger and better sensor!

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

"But Canon has a larger and better sensor!"

Pull up the GX1 and compare it across the range in RAW format to the new Rebel T4i. To my eye, there isn't a world of difference. The Canon sensor is certainly larger, but I wouldn't run out and say "better". http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-650d-rebel-t4i/9

And this new Canon cam lacks an EVF option and mature lens selection (adapted doesn't count in my book, for a camera that is supposed to be compact).

(and yes, the T4i has the same sensor)

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (10 months ago)

The good news is that lenses are now priced by volume, the smaller ones are cheaper :)

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JohnFredC
By JohnFredC (10 months ago)

The description of the touch screen UI is particularly encouraging. It's about time the camera guys took a hint from the smart phone guys, don't you think?

Enthusiasts' cameras of the future will have form factors and behaviors similar to small touchscreen tablets (5"-7") but with lens mounts like the EF-M.

The EOS M is Canon's big step in that direction (already taken by Sony et al), and at first glance a positive one...

...but I'll wait for the EVF and tilt-screen model.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (10 months ago)

After using two cameras (Panasonic, Sony) with touch screen I am a firm believer in separate mechanical buttons and dials. Touch screen is good for one thing only -- choosing a focus point, - mechanical controls are better for everything else.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

OMG I HATE touchscreens!
About time they took a hint?
I think, given that touchscreens have been around for years, many manufacturers "took a hint" from Sony's early foray into that and added manual controls instead.
Touchscreen is great for selecting a manual focus point - the rest should be dials.

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Tom Caldwell
By Tom Caldwell (10 months ago)

Focus peaking even replaces the need for selecting point of focus by touch. That is if manual focus continues it's comeback, which it surely will not unfortunately. Much the same as automatic transmission is "good enough" so nobody knows how to use a clutch. So manual gearboxes become passe and the law of average will alway predominate. Focus peaking is a bit like IS once was, only those that have a camera with it know how useful it actually is. Soon enough it will be touted as a selling point by every manufacturer and even Canon might use it to sell their next model.

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Vlad S
By Vlad S (10 months ago)

Totally a soccer mom camera.

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Ross Murphy
By Ross Murphy (10 months ago)

Glad to hear you'll like it Vlad

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (10 months ago)

slow AF and no zoom in the kit? Yeah that will do great capturing a kids soccer game.

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Lucas_
By Lucas_ (10 months ago)

It's nice to see that Canon is trying to keep up with the competition with this new "EOS M" mirrorless. Although it doesn't seem to show anything new or outstanding it looks like a handsome camera that may please Canon users.
As it's been the current trend, the great inspirer is still the Sony NEX system, which although being available for some time it has gone through clever upgrade iterations and kept as the standard to be pursued.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (10 months ago)

an elegant camera,
not interesting enough lenses.

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (10 months ago)

Ironic that the G12 has far more direct controls, but far less ability to actually control depth of field. Now finally we have a large sensor mirrorless from Canon and it barely has a mode dial. I don't have an issue with the body itself as surely Canon will produce one with more direct controls and a viewfinder down the road. But if this is aimed at the P&S crowd it seems pricey...

I don't see the lack of EVF as a problem on this particular camera body. It would be tough to shoot with the camera to the eye with so few direct controls.

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skytripper
By skytripper (10 months ago)

I don't see why Canon would aim a camera like this at the P&S crowd. Those looking for better image quality can have that for much less money—and without buying into an interchangeable lens camera system that many (if not most) will never take advantage of.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (10 months ago)

This camera seems to be very similar to the much cheaper Panasonic G1X.... except the G1X gives you built in pop up flash, a built in EVF, digital zoom, and lenses with OIS built into them.

I see Amazon has the G1X down to $559 with the standard (non folding) kit lens.

Canon needs to offer a better value than this one.

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Tee1up
By Tee1up (10 months ago)

I think you've made an accurate assessment. Indeed the G1X is a more well rounded camera. I 've gone through the review a couple times now and it occurred to me that the inspiration for the design was probably the Powershot SX240 HS.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

The G1 X is a Canon camera. The GX1 is Panasonic. Easy mistake.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (10 months ago)

Are you thinking GX1? If so, it has no built in viewfinder. The other points are valid. Of course it's about a year old at this point and has a smaller sensor, but I think your point is valid in that this Canon will have some tough competition.

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sukabad
By sukabad (10 months ago)

I just bought the Panny GX1 to try something different. Not a good choice by all means if you're used to a DSLR. The image quality was not nearly as good as one of my newer Canon point and shoots.

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micahmedia
By micahmedia (10 months ago)

sukabad, you must be shooting jpegs. The GX1 is not a replacement for my D700 or D7000, but it is certainly a cut above any point and shoot I've used.

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MikeNeufeld30
By MikeNeufeld30 (10 months ago)

I think Canon made exactly the right move and are targeting the perfect audience/market. Touchscreen controls, great form factor(S100 body but bigger) simple to use interface similar to most of the smartphones on the market but with a pretty damn good sensor and AF with Low light capabilities that are pretty much class leading and good resolution. I feel it is priced just right and the masses will come and buy this. And to boot, fantastic video capabilities for the consumer/prosumer who wants the best of both worlds.

Good job Canon. Little innovation with the use of existing components and assembly, for great profit margins. Can't say it was a bad business move in any regard.

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Marty4650
By Marty4650 (10 months ago)

This looks like a nice little camera, that will deliver very good results. Certainly better than any P&S camera out there, and as good as any MILC camera available today. And remember, this is Canon's first mirrorless effort and not their last. Canon will be a force to reckon with simply because they are very good at making and marketing cameras.

The problem will be the price. At $800 without an EVF or flash, it makes the Olympus OM-D and Sony NEX 5N look like absolute bargains.

If they were to price the camera and kit lens around $650, then they couldn't make them fast enough to meet market demand.

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vincelau
By vincelau (10 months ago)

Price is definitely a huge problem, but the key to how successfully/unsuccessful any mirrorless SYSTEM would be the lens choice - and m43 clearly had a huge advantage at the moment.

By going with APS-C I'm skeptical on whether the image quality/high iso performance advantage will justify the much larger lens size (assuming same optical quality lens for 4/3 sensor).

Given the EF-S line up, I'm not hopeful for Canon to match/surpress the m43 range with EF-M mount.

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iae aa eia
By iae aa eia (10 months ago)

it seems better looking and its thickness gives me the impression of being more robust. i like it, but there is one thing i didn't appreciated at first: they could make use of the g1 x sensor size, since it is a little smaller and could make possible more compact lenses and more distinction from their ff models.

canon is bringing, according to their rumor website, an entry-level ff, and that let me think they may lower the number of dslr offerings in favor of more mirrorless. good move. a lot of people, including me, would like to afford using an ff and never accepted aps size very well.

regarding the tradeoff between quality (but ignoring all the benefits of dof) and compactness, nothing, imo, comes better than the sony rx100 (nikon only needs to fine-tune their 1s). smaller sensors should have started to be avoided, unless for ultracomp internal zooms and cell phones.

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iae aa eia
By iae aa eia (10 months ago)

about the price, now i understand that every launch is an opportunity for them to keep up with the economy variation (inflation), and thus they have to ask for more. but no doubt they are taking advantage of this fact and trying to make much more money on this model, since it has many mechanical components left out and consequently needs lots less manual labor involved. not very ethical (but not an exclusively action of canon either).

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b534202
By b534202 (10 months ago)

Oh geez ... we don't need a EF-S-M mount too ...

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