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Canon EOS 70D Hands-on Preview

July 2013 | By Andy Westlake


Preview based on a pre-production Canon EOS 70D

During the early days of digital SLRs, Canon was pretty much the undisputed leader in CMOS image sensor technology. Almost every new EOS model came with an increase in resolution and high ISO range, and when the EOS 7D appeared in late 2009, the company had progressed from 3MP to 18MP, and ISO 1600 to ISO 12800, in just over nine years. But since then Canon's APS-C cameras have all sported variants on the same basic sensor design, to the extent that you could be forgiven for wondering what on earth their engineers were doing all day. Now we know.

The EOS 70D is a mid-range SLR for enthusiast photographers that from the outside looks like a sensible, indeed desirable upgrade to the EOS 60D. It borrows many of the best bits from Canon's existing SLRs, including the autofocus sensor from the EOS 7D, the fully articulated touchscreen from the EOS 700D (Rebel T5i), and built-in Wi-Fi from the EOS 6D. But on the inside it sports an entirely new sensor that is, potentially, revolutionary. It offers 20.2MP resolution, but uses a 'Dual Pixel CMOS AF' design in which every single pixel is split into two separately-readable photodiodes, facing left and right. This means that in principle they are all capable of phase detection autofocus in live view and movie mode.

On-chip phase detection is nothing new - we first saw it in the Fujifilm F300EXR back in 2010. Since then it's been adopted in one form or another by most manufacturers, with arguably its most successful implementation coming in Nikon's 1 System mirrorless models. But because until now it's used relatively few active pixels scattered sparsely across the sensor, it's had practical limitations, often only covering a restricted area of the frame and struggling once the light drops below outdoor daylight levels. Canon says that its Dual Pixel AF system, in contrast, works across an area 80% of the frame width and height, in light levels as low as 0 EV, and at apertures down to F11. This means it could well be the most capable live view autofocus system we've yet seen on any type of camera.

We'll look at the technology behind the EOS 70D's live view AF in more detail later, but let's not forget that it has to work as a conventional SLR too. To this end it uses the same 19-point AF sensor as the EOS 7D for viewfinder shooting, but with slightly simplified control options in firmware. It can rattle shots off at 7fps for up to 65 frames in JPEG or 16 in RAW, and its standard ISO range covers 100-12800, with ISO 25600 as an expanded option. Image processing is via the DIGIC 5+ processor first seen in the EOS 5D Mark III.

In terms of control layout the EOS 70D is a logical evolution of the EOS 60D, adopting many of Canon's intervening updates and improvements. So it offers a full set of external controls to operate most key functions, and Canon's well-designed Quick Control screen to cover pretty much everything else. It also adopts the superb touchscreen interface that debuted on the EOS 650D (Rebel T4i), which we've found to be more useful than you might at first think. The 70D also regains an array of features that disappeared between the EOS 50D and 60D, such as AF microadjustment.

Canon EOS 70D key features

  • 20.2MP APS-C 'Dual Pixel CMOS AF' sensor
  • DIGIC 5+ image processor
  • ISO 100-12800 standard, 25600 expanded
  • 7fps continuous shooting, burst depth 65 JPEG / 16 RAW
  • 'Silent' shutter mode
  • 1080p30 video recording, stereo sound via external mic
  • 19-point AF system, all points cross-type, sensitive to -0.5 EV
  • 63-zone iFCL metering system
  • 98% viewfinder coverage, 0.95x magnification, switchable gridlines and electronic level display
  • Fully-articulated touchscreen, 1040k dot 3" ClearView II LCD, 3:2 aspect ratio
  • Single SD/SDHC/SDXC card slot
  • Built-in Wi-Fi
  • Single-axis electronic level
  • Built-in flash works as off-camera remote flash controller
  • AF microadjustment (can be set individually for up to 40 lenses, remembered by lens serial number)
  • In-camera High Dynamic Range and Multiple Exposure modes (JPEG-only)
  • 'Creative Filter' image processing styles, previewed in live view

Key specs compared

In the table below we see how some of the EOS 70D's key specs measure up against its more expensive big brother, the EOS 7D, and its main rival, the Nikon D7100. What's interesting here is just how close the 70D is to the 7D in terms of spec - in much the same way as Nikon's D7000 made the D300S look almost redundant, it's quite difficult to see why most Canon users would now choose the top-end APS-C model.

 
Canon EOS 70D
Canon EOS 7D
Nikon D7100
 Effective Pixels  • 20.2 MP  • 18.0 MP  • 24.1 MP
 ISO Range  • 100-12800 standard
 • 25600 expanded
 • 100-6400 standard
 • 12800 expanded
 • 100-6400 standard
 • 50-25600 expanded
 No of AF points  • 19  • 19  • 51
 AF in live view  • Phase detection  • Contrast detection  • Contrast detection
 Screen  • 3.0" 3:2
 • 1,040,000 dots
 • Fully-articulated
 • Touch sensitive
 • 3.0" 4:3
 • 920,000 dots
 • Fixed
 • 3.2" 4:3
 • 1,228,800 dots
 • Fixed
 Viewfinder  • 98% coverage
 • 0.95x magnification
 • 100% coverage
 • 1.0x magnification
 • 100% coverage
 • 0.94x magnification
 Continuous drive  • 7 fps  • 8 fps  • 6 fps
 Storage  • SD/SDHC/SDXC  • Compact flash  • SD/SDHC/SDXC
 • 2 slots
 Weight
 (inc batteries)
 • 755g (1.7 lb)  • 860g (1.9 lb)  • 765g (1.7 lb)
 Dimensions  • 139 x 104 x 79 mm
   (5.5 x 4.1 x 3.1")
 • 148 x 111 x 74 mm
   (5.8 x 4.4 x 2.9")
 • 136 x 107 x 76 mm
   (5.4 x 4.2 x 3.0")
 Wi-Fi  •  Built-in  •  Optional  •  Optional

Size and design compared to the EOS 60D

The EOS 70D directly replaces the EOS 60D in Canon's range, and is very similar in terms of size and design. It's a bit smaller though, and has a sensibly-updated control layout. Here we take a more-detailed look at the two cameras side-by-side.

From the front the EOS 70D looks almost identical to the 60D. But it's slimmed down a bit, being fractionally narrower. Look a little closer and you can also see that the 60D's front-facing mono microphone has gone (replaced by stereo mics on the top plate).
The two cameras are pretty similar from the back too, with the 70D retaining the same basic layout. It gains Canon's improved live view/movie mode controller, and has a physical switch to lock the rear dial against accidental operation rather than a button. Other than that it uses all the same buttons, just not necessarily in the same order.
From the top, again the 70D is very much a sensible evolution. The mode dial is simplified and now rotates continuously rather than having hard end stops, and there's a new AF area expansion button next to the shutter release. But the rest of the controls are all essentially the same.

Kit options and pricing

The EOS 70D will be sold body-only for £1079 / $1199 / €1099, as a kit with the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM for £1199.99 / $1340 / €1249, or with the EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens for £1399.99 $1549 / €1499. The BG-E14 battery grip will cost £229.99 / $270 / €215.


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Peter62
By Peter62 (2 months ago)

Unimpressive!

High-ISO is slightly worse, e.g. compared to Pentax K5-II. Seems that all the engineering went into the LiveView-AF. Fuji's X100s and X-Pro 1 are better, too.

So for me, that's not enough.

Comment edited 8 minutes after posting
9 upvotes
IchiroCameraGuy
By IchiroCameraGuy (2 months ago)

X100S and X Pro 1 only better in making money and stylish looks. You can apply extra noise reduction to smear up the photo if you choose, who would rather not have a choice. Less noise is only better with equal or more detail - the Fujifilm cameras don't provide.

2 upvotes
lol101
By lol101 (2 months ago)

@Peter62

Remember that Pentax applies NR to raw files from ISO 3200 on...

Differences are quite small anyway and completely irrelevant for prints IMO.

1 upvote
Peter62
By Peter62 (2 months ago)

Well, using the High-Iso-comparison feature on this website, I can clearly see the superior Hi-ISO images from the X100S or the Pentax K-5 II. But, if the dynamic range capabilities of the 70D turn out to be better than in other Canon APS-C cameras, this would really be good news!

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0 upvotes
chj
By chj (2 months ago)

The Pentax K5 and the Fuji cameras are clearly applying NR to the RAW files. The DPR reviews for those cameras mention this and point out that you have to take the high ISO comparisons with a grain of salt. Personally, I'd prefer to decide on my own how much NR to apply. The 70D really looks like it has all the features I'm looking for. Fast, accurate llive view focus, fully articulated touchscreen, weather sealing ... There is no other camera that has this feature set.

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3 upvotes
STR54
By STR54 (2 months ago)

I actually enjoyed the aircraft and hydroplane pics. Well done DPR. AF tracking looks good.

2 upvotes
tommy leong
By tommy leong (2 months ago)

so, if we take the Dual PIxel further,
that Canon would have the smallest FULL FRAME mirrorless
camera in the market.

with FULL AF !

good bye Leica

1 upvote
Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (2 months ago)

I'm amazed at how bad the XPro file looks in comparison (RAW files)...certainly not my experience with it. For what it's worth I'm a long time Canon guy so no axe to grind..

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (2 months ago)

Well, when they are run thru ACR and not sharpened correctly, that's what we get. I've only had my Fuji for one day and I get far better results than this.

2 upvotes
Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (2 months ago)

Ditto Dave

0 upvotes
tvstaff
By tvstaff (2 months ago)

I don't get it! It's not a 7D and it's not anything like a 5DMKIII

I can't figure out who this camera is for? It's frame is not as weather sealed as a 7D or 5D and so it's not a back-up for a serious outdoor shooter!

Why did Canon make this camera? Looking at the IQ in the review some of the shots are pretty bad. Sorry! :( I do see Hi ISO clarity.....

What am I missing here??????????? Really!

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/photos/2649982/img_8298?inalbum=canon-eos-70d-beta-preview-samples-gallery WHAT IS THIS? This amazing new focus system puts out a shot like this?? I think someone is pulling our legs ;)

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T3
By T3 (2 months ago)

Regarding weather sealing, I've used a Canon Rebel, extensively, out in the rain with no problems. In fact, if you want to see what a lowly Canon Rebel can withstand, watch this torture test video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWzsXeXCwuc

Yes, they poured two cups of hot tea on it, dropped a PC on it, burned it with a torch, mounted it onto a tripod then kicked a soccer ball at it...and it survived just fine. In fact, after all this abuse, then went out and took photos with it...on a rainy day, no less. And that's with a cheap Rebel body!

As for choosing the 70D over a 7D, not everyone wants to lug around something as big and heavy as a 7D. And obviously, a 7D doesn't have an articulating LCD, fast Live View AF, built-in WiFi, nor does the 7D use SD cards that you can plug into any laptop. There will be plenty of people who will be choosing a 70D over a 7D. I would.

10 upvotes
Stu 5
By Stu 5 (2 months ago)

no problems... yet. It can take months or a year or two for an issue to show up from water damage.

1 upvote
rrccad
By rrccad (2 months ago)

"I can't figure out who this camera is for?" obviously ... not you.

2 upvotes
Ronald1959
By Ronald1959 (2 months ago)

Are you kidding?

0 upvotes
CarVac
By CarVac (2 months ago)

I like the improved noise floor. Impressive that they managed that with an effectively 40-mp sensor (though my suspicions are that small pixels don't actually hurt read noise)

0 upvotes
RobertMartinu
By RobertMartinu (2 months ago)

Its the combining stage. The best way to avoid random noise is to take lots of measurements and average the results. While 2 samples isn't really a lot its about sqrt(2) better then just one.

0 upvotes
ConnieE
By ConnieE (2 months ago)

Wow, lots to read. Ok so, I switched from Sony to Canon. I shoot flowers, people and macros with my 5DMArkII.

I only have my Sony A77 for birds (ie crop sensor). Here's the question. Do I get this camera or wait for the 7D replacement, or get the 7D???

0 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

You are definitely better off with this camera compared to the 7D. For a start, you are getting the latest sensor and the ability to shoot at slightly higher ISO. The new 7D replacement (if any) will definitely be more expensive.

Since you are also a 5D MkII user, this camera would make an excellent backup for when you need a faster frame rate and further reach (crop factor). You may even find this camera making your Sony A77 redundant.

Welcome to the club.

Try buying and using some Zeiss prime lenses with your Canon and you will be surprise at the extra ordinary photo quality. Since you like flowers and macros, nothing beats the Zeiss 100mm f2.0 macro or just the Zeiss 50mm f2.0 macro.

Use it and you will be a fan for life.

Read more about them at:

fredmiranda.com

diglloyd.com

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Gesture
By Gesture (2 months ago)

Very excited about this camera. I think it will be a blockbuster for Canon and prove to be an outstanding value in relation to the Rebel T5i.

3 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

This will be an excellent camera for those who want something better than the 700D. Like the 60D before it, it is a good backup camera for those using the 5DMkIII as it shares the same battery.

Lets hope there wouldn't be any issues with the new sensor.

Never mind if it has only marginal improvement on the higher ISO. Any higher ISO capability more than 6400 is a luxury seldom used. In the film days, there were no film with ISO higher than 3200 and yet professional photographers were taking award winning photos all those years.

2 upvotes
Ruy Penalva
By Ruy Penalva (2 months ago)

What do you mean by:
"Canon has made no fewer than 156 EF lens models in the 26 years since the EOS system first appeared, and it says that 103 of them fully support Dual Pixel CMOS AF, including all current lenses"

This Dual Pixel support means continuous video focus in those 103 lenses?

Comment edited 5 minutes after posting
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IchiroCameraGuy
By IchiroCameraGuy (2 months ago)

of course, just not all of them very fast or very quiet

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

maybe it can do facial recognition and PDAF in video
though no frame was displayed in this sample
http://trendy.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/pickup/20130723/1050938/?P=3

in the first video there was a high contrast subject in the center that confused the camera which didn't perform well. the second one looks okay.

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Dianoda
By Dianoda (2 months ago)

I love how "streets ahead" actually caught on.

0 upvotes
chilipilot
By chilipilot (2 months ago)

Still only a very mild high iso advancement on sensor level!

when i look at the raw-file high iso comparison pix (3200 and up), it can pretty clearly be seen that the 70 is a little bit better than the 60d. but is´s still worse than the sony sensor in the nikon 7100.

to be positive, the 70d seems to have advanced a 1/3ev. but - on the other hand it looks like it is 1/3 to 1/2ev worse than the sony-sensor.

i really was hoping, that canon is able to get - at least - on par with nikon/sony. but it doesn´t seem to be the case. that´s especially remarkable, when you consider, that the nikon 7100 has been released in 02/2012.

reading the dp-review i don´t have high hopes, that we will get a sensor that is - at least - on par with nikon/sony sensors regarding high iso and dynamic range.

the new live-view-AF looks promising.

maybe canon will offer a substantially better sensor with the upcoming 7D II. i won´t buy the 70d.

9 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (2 months ago)

LOL

Which Sony are you comparing it to, certainly not the SLT-77, since it's woeful at high ISO. 70D is almost line-ball with the D7100 in noise and even when they pushed the shadows 3EV the gap has narrowed enormously and not enough to complain about. Compared to 60D it's got a lot less chroma noise above ISO 1600 and luma noise is less too and the gap widens as you increase ISO.

1 upvote
Gesture
By Gesture (2 months ago)

Can't knock Nikon here. But the sensor is only one part of the image equation. How that image is processed is huge. Some OEMs in my experience do it better than others.

1 upvote
Commando961
By Commando961 (2 months ago)

The D7000 had a Sony sensor but the D7100 has a Toshiba sensor which might be the sensor (perhaps slightly improved) in the D400 which may be announced in the next month or two.

0 upvotes
Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (2 months ago)

Nikon/Sony's little dirty secret has always been the fact that they bought Nik Software, the noise suppression specialist in 2006. This is when the made the supposed jump in high ISO performance.

NEF files have always had moderate intervention before giving it to the user. This is well known among many in the community.

Although it's not to say that this isn't a smart idea to put into place, but the real difference in comparing specs is how this comes across in marketing.

This is an old article but even DxO made the claims early how Sony was cooking their raw files before sending it to users:
http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Publications/DxOMark-Insights/Half-cooked-RAW/Noise-reduction

Regardless of the conspiracy theories. I've had plenty experience with all of the files, shooting thousands on Canon, Nikon and Sony. Each one has their benefits and characteristics. Canon still provides better colour dynamic range at higher ISO's and thats far more important to me.

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (2 months ago)

Nikon and Sony has had an agreement for quite some time of sharing technologies, part of that sharing of technology is their noise suppression algorithm. If you take Nik Software as it is today, you can apply it to a Canon file, and you'll observe that it looks identical to Sony/Nikon output. No surprises there.

Regardless of this, physics still plays a massive part of all of this. There are finite amounts of photons hitting the sensor in low light. The rest is done by amplifying what has already been collected (there's only one true ISO on the sensor which is the base ISO). Which means at some point the noise that naturally occurs will always require some sort of intervention.

1 upvote
Yxa
By Yxa (2 months ago)

@ Kinematic
It is known that Canon is applying the FFT noise reduction even to RAW ...

0 upvotes
Peter Hayward
By Peter Hayward (2 months ago)

This reads just what I've been looking for from Nikon with the years late D400!!!
Come on Mr Nikon please get you act together.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

looks to me it is still resolution challenged but otherwise competes well.
will get this one as an "always carry around" camera, but
I'm still looking forward to a 61-point AF, 100k-pixel AE, 9 fps, 1080p60 7D2 ... too many APS-C DSLRs

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RPJG
By RPJG (2 months ago)

Question from a dummy:

If mirrorless cameras can do fast CDAF, why is tech like this needed for DSLRs to get fast PDAF in live-view mode? Why can't DSLRs uses whatever tech the mirrorless cams use for fast CDAF?

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (2 months ago)

CDAF cannot track motion forwards and back. PDAF in servo mode is still the only option for this. Sports action, Birds, and most important to consumers children running to and fro.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

CDAF has to jitter around, pass the point and come back, though Pana can do it so fast that the user may not notice, while PDAF can go one direction and stop at the right focus.

2 upvotes
RPJG
By RPJG (2 months ago)

Thanks guys.

0 upvotes
reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (2 months ago)

A 3 year wait, just for this?!?!?

Let's hope the improved AF in LV and movie mode lives up to the marketing hype.

.

8 upvotes
Mikhail Tal
By Mikhail Tal (2 months ago)

Look at that gigantic bulky camera. Good luck fitting that in your jacket pocket. Might be popular with old guys who need to show how big their gear is because their anatomical gear is too small.

7 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

This camera is not for you. Just buy the Ricoh GR or Nikon A or stay with a Micro 4/3. Or just continue to use a compact point & shoot camera.

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15 upvotes
thx1138
By thx1138 (2 months ago)

Just look at that tiny camera. Mighty popular with those that troll forums and can't take photos and and like to use denigration to hide their own pitiful insecurities.

9 upvotes
Clint Dunn
By Clint Dunn (2 months ago)

Seriously...how clueless are you. You probably complain that the AF is too slow on the Fuji X series...and that they don't do 8fps etc etc. Here's a hint....the 70D is not meant to be a pocketable camera.

Here's another hint...you want a camera that does everything....size is the compromise. You don't need that...go buy something smaller.

5 upvotes
CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (2 months ago)

Now the circle is complete.

*wheeze...puff... wheeze... puff....* (Darth Vader voice)

I can now lump all my rebel and XXD camera models into a great animation video.

All the bodies are thumping and gyrating... while the sensor remains steadfast and the same.

.

3 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

Better luck next time, Canon; Nikon, er, I mean Pentax still does the best job with the APS sized sensors.

19 upvotes
Essai
By Essai (2 months ago)

what is "Pentax" ? Is this new ?

19 upvotes
Juck
By Juck (2 months ago)

Another comically impotent Pentax fanboy trolling Canon story comments,, get some dignity ffs. lol

9 upvotes
samhain
By samhain (2 months ago)

Trolling he is. But the truth is- he's right. The fact that Pentax is able to get better iso performance & dynamic range than Nikon & Sony with the same sensor is pretty respectable.
And the ergonomics of the awesome k-5II vs Canon bodies... Well, there's no point in even making that comparison. But I must admit I do like Canon skin tones & PP Canon files more than Pentax/Nikon.

Sorry- It appears I'm trolling too :)

Back on topic- it may be a bit premature, but this 70d: it's a double yawn burger with extra boring sauce.

11 upvotes
makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

For those of us who shoot sports, action and video ... THIS is what we've been waiting for. There is an entire army of DSLR pro shooters that can't wait to get there hands on this AF system!

1 upvote
marike6
By marike6 (2 months ago)

How does Pentax do the best job when they are still using the 16 mp Sony Exmor from four years ago (K5, D7000, et al), while others have increased resolution (giving more options for cropping and printing) and improved raw IQ?

I've owned two Pentax DSLRs and think they are great, but your analysis is well shy of the mark.

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JWilkinson Studios
By JWilkinson Studios (2 months ago)

"For those of us who shoot sports, action and video ... THIS is what we've been waiting for. There is an entire army of DSLR pro shooters that can't wait to get there hands on this AF system!"

If that's what you care about the new A77 is gonna be perfect.
- 32mpix exmor hd chip (new generation)
- 4 gb buffer
- full mirrorless focus, 480 focus points
- evf 4mpix
- 8-14 fps/sec
- Magnesium body
- There will be a new vertical grip too (compatible also with current SLT cameras).
- Design similar too Minolta 700si (you can find them here on eBay).

These are likely rumors on it.

Sorry to hijack the thread.

0 upvotes
msmithphd80
By msmithphd80 (2 months ago)

I am really looking forward to seeing the video capabilities of this thing - @makafoto, I agree, sports, action shots are going to be stellar

0 upvotes
zigi_S
By zigi_S (2 months ago)

High iso is better than the nikon's 7100. And DR looks also it's better. Good update.

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io_bg
By io_bg (2 months ago)

Now compare some RAWs...

4 upvotes
zigi_S
By zigi_S (2 months ago)

I did. And Canon is better in high iso. It lags a bit in read noise.

0 upvotes
AshMills
By AshMills (2 months ago)

meh.

6 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (2 months ago)

You, sir, win a prize.

6 upvotes
zaurus
By zaurus (2 months ago)

meh.

0 upvotes
gp2003gt
By gp2003gt (2 months ago)

I just saw from another review site and I only see a slight improovement in high ISO (6400 ISO) over the 60D.

Looks like I will have to wait and save more money and get an entry level full frame camera.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

Ability to shoot at ISO6400 is more than enough for most shooting. If one is shooting with the 70-200mm /2.8L IS MkII, one can easily shoot a portrait in available light even in a fairly dim situation at ISO 6400. Often, one can even do it at ISO3200.

A full frame camera like the 5D MkIII would definitely be better but one can still do it at ISO 3200. Try to use a bit of fill flash and it should be perfect. Also, always use the best lens possible. The Zeiss 25mm f/2.0 or 35mm f/2.0 is excellent for enviromental portraits. It has excellent colour, clarity and "3D" effect. For landscape during low light, always use a tripod. It is mandatory. Manual focus should not be a problem once you get used to it.

Once you are using a tripod for landscape, shooting even at ISO100 is not a problem. In fact, when shooting landscape long exposure time may be even necessary for that smooth effect. So, one has to use low ISO, small aperture and long exposure.

Any higher ISO capability is a luxury.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (2 months ago)

White shadow.....*sighs* Im often at 6400/12800 at house parties shooting at 1.4/2.0, still barely stops motion (1/125). Your low light is not the same as everyone elses.

When I used to shoot dance i would have to use fast primes over a 2.8 zooms @6400 because i couldnt stop motion with it. F2 or faster.
Full frames do allow the use of high ISO, but the DOF gets so thin it becomes the same really. But it does allow the use of 2.8 zooms @ 2.8

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Marvol
By Marvol (2 months ago)

Just don't get one from Canon or you will be doing exactly what they are hoping you will do: rewarding their lack of sensor improvement by actually chucking more money at them.

0 upvotes
Uiterwaard
By Uiterwaard (2 months ago)

You mention that "the EOS 70D has a good-sized grip and sits solidly in your hand". Is it comparable to the 60D at the very least?
When I read it is smaller than the 60D, I immediately think of the ergonomical disaster called 650/700D.
No matter how good the specs, a camera is pretty useless if it doesn't fit comfortably in ones hands.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

Size is relative. It all depends who is holding it. The Canon 1DX is very comfortable with professional photographers who shoot sports and events but way too big for a travel photographer, even on a professional level. The 5D Mk III is much better.

The 70D would be a good backup for any photographer.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

60D feels slightly better but that may be because I'm carrying it everyday. both way better than D7000/D7100.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (2 months ago)

The benefit of this new technology will be when they switch to EVFs instead of OVFs. I would buy a camera like this or the D7100 in an instant if they did away with the reflex contraption and did on-sensor AF and EVF.

Probably would have to make two models to please the 'serious cameras have OVFs' folks, or could just keep selling the old models alongside the new ones, I suppose.

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clicker4life
By clicker4life (2 months ago)

How does the "70D" hold up in low light?. Some say the 5d is top dog. Or u s it the Nik 7100?

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WBateman
By WBateman (2 months ago)

The 5D MkIII would definitely be much better than the D7100 in terms of high ISO noise and fast AF. To me, the images from the 5D at 2500 are as good or better than the Nikon at 1600. The Nikon d600 has them all beat in terms of low noise (I shoot mine at 3200 without any problems), but the AF is really slow in low light.

With the 7fps, I am hoping that the 70D has less noise than the D7100. I would love to have one for shooting football this fall and can't afford a 5D now that they've marked it back up to $3,500 ($2,700 refurbished).

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Vignes
By Vignes (2 months ago)

The 6D would be a better option for low light/High ISO shots. It's primarily advantage is that and it's cost effective. The center cross-type AF point with EV -3 sensitivity is helpful. Not for sport or dynamic movement type shots but for static shot, it's really good.

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Lef Jack
By Lef Jack (3 months ago)

Can anyone tell me if the new 70D is capable of shooting images at 300 dpi, as are Nikon and Olympus.

Currently have a 50D and 7D, but neither of them are capable of shooting at 300 dpi as far as I can tell from searching the manual and the camera menu!

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howardroark
By howardroark (3 months ago)

You don't understand what dpi means.

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ChemFreeImages
By ChemFreeImages (3 months ago)

dpi= dots per inch, as in what is used to measure printer output. Digital cameras use pixels (picture elements). 70D's max pixel capture is: 5472 x 3648.
So divide either number by 300ppi (pixel per inch) to get your output print size, in this case 18" x 12.5" -in my experience you can easily double, or even 3x that and still get a very nice print, unless it's very fine detail such as hair, fur, etc.

PS Good luck with Acronyms!

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monographix
By monographix (3 months ago)

A = 5472 px X 3648 px = 73" x 49" @ 75 dpi = 20 mp
B = 5472 px X 3648 px = 18" x 12" @ 300 dpi = 20 mp

=> A = B

in other words all three Canons "shoot at" 300 dpi (you - or other end receiver eg printer - just have to "rename" in the software the file resolution to the desired printing dimensions in inches / centimeters)

http://tiporama.com/tools/pixels_inches.html

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AmateurSnaps
By AmateurSnaps (3 months ago)

£1000's of pounds on equipment and no idea what DPI means?

For shame :D

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Gary Martin
By Gary Martin (2 months ago)

Even the crappiest camera phone can shoot at 300dpi, but the pictures will be *really* small. I prefer to shoot at 8dpi, so that my pictures are over 50 feet wide ;)

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Lef Jack
By Lef Jack (3 months ago)

Can anyone tell me if the new 70D is capable of shooting images at 300 dpi, as are Nikon and Olympus.

Currently have a 50D and 7D, but neither of them are capable of shooting at 300 dpi as far as I can tell from searching the manual and the camera menu!

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blackmariah
By blackmariah (3 months ago)

6d link above points to the 7d review. Might want to fix that.

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d mihel
By d mihel (3 months ago)

When full review for 70d (with tests, samples etc.) will appear? In september (or later), when the sales will start, or maybe earlier? Does canon provide some items for journalists before sales?

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (3 months ago)

AF Micro adjust just came back to life... again.

Too bad for the 60D.

The 50D had it as standard, as it should.

Naughty, naughty, Canon...

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dcnucsb
By dcnucsb (3 months ago)

Does dual pixel CMOS mean I can skip the STM lenses for video? I haven't invested in those yet...

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (2 months ago)

No... STM is much smoother and quieter. Although USM is quieter on a whole, but because it's so quick to focus, it's jarring both when it locks onto focus and secondly moves almost too fast for video. STM is much more fluid in focus and appreciable in video applications, at least when using AF.

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mrpraline
By mrpraline (3 months ago)

Are there really 20 M AF sites? If I look at the picture at page three (daf-area.jpg) it looks much more like a few hundred AF sites instead of 20 million.

That would make sense to me, I cant's see the benefit of reading out every pixel and processing 16M (80% of 20M) AF sites as opposed to having one AF point for every 1000 pixels or so in the same area. And it is probably a lot easier to maintain good high ISO performance that way.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

there is always a trade off between image quality and readout speed. there may be several compromise plans, like readout 40.3M only at lower frame rates for higher image quality. my speculation/possibilities.

btw. it's 80% horizontally and vertically, so only 64% of the area. then there will be 33.1M readouts in your theory (if I understand right), saving 7.3M at the cost of lower image quality in the peripheral 36% of area.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

Single pixels are very noisy in low light, thus either your AF will not work properly or you need to increase the acquisition time to reduce the SNR. But your object usually is not still, and you want the AF system to work quickly...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

not sure what you mean by "single pixels" but all sensors get noisy in low light and it's worse for traditional SLR type AF sensors in that they only get less than half of the light through the lens (the majority goes to a stupid thing called optical viewfinder).

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Jun2
By Jun2 (2 months ago)

Only reads near AF focus point(s) depending on AF point selection.

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Pablom
By Pablom (3 months ago)

So all the fuss is about AF speed in live view? who cares about that? I'd assume probably Rebel owners rather than the target market for this camera.

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

I think people need to get over the notion that DSLR is only for people who take still photos. That's just not the case. It's outdated thinking. The "target market" for this camera now includes people who also shoot video, whether occasionally, or full time and professionally. DSLRs are actually killing the prosumer videocamera market.

Video was important enough for Canon to even include it in their flagship 1DX. Dual Pixel CMOS will eventually be in every new Canon DSLR, including the next flagship body. There's already big interest for this technology across the market spectrum, from low end DSLR buyers to high end pro buyers. So much for your assumption that only Rebel owners would care.

Also, fast AF in Live View is important for photographers who are open-minded enough to realize that there are other useful ways to take a picture besides peeping through a hole in the camera. It's also great for remote shooters using streaming Live View/EOS Remote to see/focus/shoot remotely.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

it is a very important step forward.

for long time we have been forced to use keyhole peeping type of viewfinders to take photograph. we don't need that funny thing for framing with digital cameras but many times we still need it for fast auto-focusing. now we can finally get rid of it with new generations of phase detect imaging sensors like this dual-pixel CMOS.

bye-bye optical viewfinder,
bye-bye mirror split phase detect AF, and
enjoy taking pictures.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

T3, my point of view is totally different.
IMHO the quality of video output from the vast majority of current DLSRs (except may be uncompressed video where available) is too low quality for most creative studio users. If you want QUALITY AND CONVENIENCE for both applications you need to have both instruments. If I was forced to choose an one-in-one set, I would pick not a DLSR but something like an APS-C interchangeable lens mirrorless camcorder.

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Pablom
By Pablom (3 months ago)

yabokkie, I don't see the day when optical viewfinders disappear. Call me old fashioned but I'd prefer tracking the scene directly with my own eyes with the camera steady and firm as an extension of my body rather than viewing through an electronic screen and holding the camera clumsily as if it were a baby with a dirty diaper.
The only benefit I currently see about live view is for use on a tripod and for fine manual focusing, which is what I use it for.

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chj
By chj (3 months ago)

I always lol @ the old folks that bah humbug about live view. There are plenty of things you can do much better with live view. The disadvantages are lack of phase detection (which the 70D may put an end to) and extremely bright light that makes the LCD hard to see. In many other ways, an LCD is far more flexible. For example:
1. Taking low perspective shots, unless you don't mind wiping the floor with half your face.
2. Taking high perspective shots. Are you in a crowd? Want shots of something other than the back of someone's head?
3. Taking candid shots. Guess what? When you put that viewfinder to your eye and point it at someone, they know you're shooting them.
4. Taking any kind of photos in high traffic areas. With your face buried in a viewfinder, you can't see what's going on around you. You just missed the best shot, because you're looking at the world through a keyhole.
5. Real time adjustments, it's nice to take photos and know what they actually look like.

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chj
By chj (3 months ago)

P.S. You shoot street and you wouldn't prefer live view?

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

There is a "quick" AF mode in Canon SLRs, switching from LiveView to phase detector, taking shot and going back to Live. All takes less than a second.

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Regnwald
By Regnwald (3 months ago)

I am still amazed that (still) camera manufacturers still bother with mirrors. We've had video cameras without them for years. And all cameras should show a WYSIWYG image.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

the power of liveview? I know of no body who ever shot a flying golf ball with an SLR but I watch it every week on ESPN.

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chj
By chj (3 months ago)

@igor_s One second is far too long for shots of moving subjects, which is where live view is the most useful AND where tight focus is most difficult.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

@Pablom ... you obviously aren't handicapped by having to wear glasses.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

@igor_s ... completely unacceptable when shooting video

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (3 months ago)

At least Canon isn't quite technologically dead yet, and they do seem to have been reasonable about things like allowing full control via 802.11. The key question for me is can I get the 40MP as a raw to do 3D processing on? If so, this becomes a very attractive camera for various computational photography and technical applications. If not, it's basically just yet another minor (essentially inconsequential) upgrade to a very conservative DSLR design....

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06m1r3m86
By 06m1r3m86 (3 months ago)

The way I understood the explanation is that there are two photodiodes under each microlens. So both diodes will see the same thing anyway, it may have 40 million diodes but only 20 million photosites. Again, that's only if I understand it correctly.

Personally, I think this is a great development. Photography has changed radically since Canon developed the first EOS cameras and EF lenses. The method of auto-focus used on point and shoot cameras doesn't scale well to SLRs and yet people who are moving from a point and shoot to an SLR still use their camera in the same way. Giving an SLR a method of autofocus that is speedy while still giving live view AND autofocus during video that doesn't compromise on speed and accuracy is a big deal. I like this solution, and I like Sony's solution, I can't wait to see where these ideas go.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (3 months ago)

This mechanism has been discussed before -- it's an OOF PSF (out-of-focus point spread function) thing very close to my computational photography research work. Thanks to the sensel pairing under 20M microlenses, each sensel only sees the rays entering the left/right half of the lens and each sensel must be somewhat independently readable. Phase detect autofocus is really just a simplified stereo matching algorithm.

As for PD autofocus during movies -- yeah, that's the same "big deal" Sony's had in all their SLTs for several years, except the Sony mechanism actually can do PD on both vertical and horizontal scene detail, as opposed to horizontal only but with the ability to freely pick the focus point anywhere in the frame (well, within the central 80% or so, depending on lens internal vignetting). I do think this kind of sensel pairing will win, but mostly because it's cheaper & simpler to make in the long run....

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

Sony SLT has to split light between AF (20%) and imaging (80%) while for Canon's dual-pixel CMOS AF, it's 100% for both.

the idea is simple and elegant. and it opens a whole new world.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (3 months ago)

Probably not "100% for both" -- there has to be a separation between the sensels right at the center of the microlens focus. I'd bet that's at least comparable to 20% light loss... and then there's the additional noise from all the extra wire routing, etc. I'd bet the big win is really it's just a cheaper system to make... and doesn't put Canon in the unhappy position of validating Sony's approach.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

as I talked before, the separation could be very thin or even non-existent becasue we can tolerate crosstalk between the dual pixels.

this crosstalk has no negative effect on image quality. it will cause lower SNR for AF but we get 1.3 stops more light already (in SLR about 40% goes to AF and 60% goes to finderscreen) and have the privilege to waste. we also have larger area for non-spot AF.

besides favorable light efficiency, don't forget the Canon design doesn't need a mirror. think this will make Canon and Nikon abandon mirror box for good, how soon I don't know.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

p.s.,

even if there has to be a thick wall in between, it only becomes normal "higher pixel count sensor" that there will still be image quality profit as we observed through the development of sensors as long as the micro-lens is well designed to avoid it. this looks a higher cost design. but anyway issues can be solved or improved, while in SLT the issue is in the foundamental design.

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ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (3 months ago)

Actually, DSLRs also steal viewfinder/PD sensor light for metering. Still, poor S/N ratio is a huge problem for the half-pixel scheme because of poor directional accuracy using microlenses... but we'll see. As I've said, a main-sensor-based scheme will win on cost even if it is mildly inferior in various ways, and Sony has been saying that the SLT is gone from their next A-mount generation. Incidentally, PSF-recognition autofocus could be faster and more accurate than any PD scheme and can work with conventional sensels -- the only reason it isn't used is that the algorithms are too computationally heavy, which is a problem that the normal advance of computer tech will solve soon enough (I've been working on this).

As for Canon and Nikon abandoning the mirror box, that's long overdue and not really a technology-driven issue. Basically, they've been using the OVF as a marketing point against Sony's rather good (IMHO, vastly superior) EVFs.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

maybe we'll see micro-Radeon or something similar in 80D.
there is nothing to afraid as long as it's semiconductor (or computational) much easier than optical or mechanics that do not know the Moore's Law.

it may be scary if we think about video, synthetic aperture 3D?

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samir sinha
By samir sinha (3 months ago)

It appears that DP review is incorrigibly biased in favour of Canon .... No wonder this is made to appear as the next big thing that's happened to SLRs after the instant return mirrors.

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06m1r3m86
By 06m1r3m86 (3 months ago)

I normally say the same thing about their reviews of Nikons. I shoot Canon, but I came to that conclusion because after playing around with the cameras in my price range,the Canon felt the most responsive and easiest to access the main functions. I have great admiration for Nikon cameras for their abilities, Pentax for their purity, and both Sony and Olympus for their innovation. But I come back to Canon because it works for me. Perhaps its the same for the reviewer. I have friends who swear by their Nikons while I alone swear by my Canon, and I have one sole friend who swears by her Sony; to each his own. I also would never go by what one reviewer says, I go to many sources before I believe any one review.

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

In terms of DSLR technology, this is definitely a big advancement. Up until now, on-sensor live-view AF in a DSLR has been pretty lackluster or disappointing. Dual Pixel CMOS is a huge step forward, and it's a pretty ingenious solution. And to put it on a large APS-C sensor with 80% active coverage that brings live view AF to a whole new level in a DSLR, that's pretty cool. In this case, it just happened to be Canon that did it, but I think if Nikon had done it Nikon would have deservingly gotten all the accolades.

By the way, it isn't just dpreview that is giving positive Canon attention for this development. It's coming from pretty much everywhere. So is the whole world "biased in favour of Canon"...or are people just diving Canon its due respect for this development?

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (3 months ago)

Biases are part of human nature. I have been reading this site for 7 or 8 years and as a professional journalist myself, I would say they're not biased toward one camera platform. I think what you're picking up on is that ALL journalists are biased toward anything new, so hang in there with them. Between this site and Popphoto.com, the website of Popular Photography magazine, there's everything you need to know about SLR and mirrorless cameras. Now if only they'd start reviewing medium format digital, they'd be perfect.

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William5719
By William5719 (2 months ago)

I have seen this, too, on many review websites. I know people who've been blocked from commenting for daring to criticize Canon.

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rondhamalam
By rondhamalam (3 months ago)

Aren't the Hybrid AF and DualPixel AF the same thing.
The Hybrid AF is already on 700D, the cheaper brother.

It is the Phase Detect AF on LiveView.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canon-eos-700d-rebel-t5i/

And it is even already on 650D

Nothing's new, isn't it

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

"Aren't the Hybrid AF and DualPixel AF the same thing."

No, they are not. Dual Pixel CMOS AF is completely different.

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Nerval
By Nerval (2 months ago)

Hybrid AF on the 700D just means a couple of on sensor phase detection pixels in the center of the chip.
Here you're talking about 64% of the sensor surface potentially usable for phase detect autofocus.
So with a powerful enough chip and tight tolerance on the microlenses array, theoretically, the 70D could be as fast at focusing in live view mode as when using the viewfinder.

But then, there's 40MP, even though there are only 20M microlenses, you ought to lose a little more light than on a conventional bayer sensor with 20MP because of the gaps and probably thicker wiring, plus you'd still need pretty good readout speed and refresh rate... So it might, if it is polished enough be better at tracking subjects compared with contrast detect. But today, mirrorless cameras for instance have pretty fast single acquisition CDAF, so no big change here.

Mostly, it will be good for filming, since when tracking subjects for stills, the LV will freeze with each obturation...

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acidic
By acidic (3 months ago)

Ummm... no print button? C'mon Canon, you can do better than that!!!

Wishlist for the 80D: TWO print buttons.

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cheddargav
By cheddargav (3 months ago)

As someone who is adding video to his portfolio, this camera excites me, pulling focus smoothly from one subject to another looks a breeze with the touchscreen!

If you're not into video, then I'd be a bit disappointed

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Dan Tong
By Dan Tong (3 months ago)

For some reason DPREVIEW fails to give the complete specs, esp annoying with respect to video resolution/frame rate specs.

Go here to see it all:

http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/professional/products/professional_cameras/digital_slr_cameras/eos_70d#Specifications

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

Canon did a beautiful job killing two birds with one stone (of dual photo-diodes). but which bird they aimed first? higher image quality or on-sensor phase-detect AF?

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

Just look at the sample shots on Canon site. At ISO400 (Image 6) despite the noise suppression the skies are far from clean. No better than with my D600, may be even worse. However, next shot at ISO3200 is very good. I think the new sensor behaves like the old one: fair quailty at low ISO and good at higher ISO compared to Sony's chips.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> No better than with my D600,

in what condition do you compare them (on level ground) ?
good point some samples don't look right. but I'm not sure if the noise reduction is aggressive or conservative. hope DxOMark include NR side effects as a standard section in their sensor tests (the analyse cannot be done correctly on JPEG).

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

That was my assessment based om my experience with 600D. I am just saying that at ISO 400 on both cameras you can not get enough clean colors. At ISO 100 perhaps, on the verge. In line with my view DxOMark rates the 600D's SNR excellent only at ISO100). Sure DxOMark will give us the accurate data about D70's sensor performance, and I would be happy if I was wrong about it.

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Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (3 months ago)

igor_s, understand that you are still comparing an APS-C (70D) to a Full Frame D600, yes?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

okay, Canon entry-level Kiss/Rebel
the noise may have been caused by high temperature at the beach, under the sun, and after long time of shooting.

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

Nukunukoo, no, I meant cropped Canon 600D. Could they give their cameras more distinct names?! I even typed D70 instead of 70D..

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

@igor_s, sorry to say but it's your fault, or we'll be able to discuss more efficiently.

regarding the clouds, it's difficult to do noise reduction on random patterns though many makers just do it to destroy the details (which may not mean much). random patterns (like dead leaves target proposed by some people, as complex as possible to fail "smart cameras") should be used for tests.

it's a good thing that 70D failed (by the cost saving of Canon Marketing).

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igor_s
By igor_s (3 months ago)

I think we'll be able to discuss more efficiently when DxOMark data appears. Otherwise, to prove an 1-stop SNR difference by sight on different targets is virtually impossible. Besides, Canon of course chose one of the best camera samples for its promotion.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

0.2+ stops is possible with naked eyes, to compare two images taken under well controlled conditon. the issue is rather the real exposure may be 0.2 stops different.

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OldAlex
By OldAlex (3 months ago)

As far as I know, the definition of front / back focus is quite opposite specified here.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

relative to the sensor or to the subject?

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Gilvan Moreia
By Gilvan Moreia (3 months ago)

This new system will be possible to use the AF in conjunction with Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM with Canon Extender EF 2x III or Canon EF 1.4x III Extender?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

it says f/11 but also contrast AF with extenders. effectively f/11 is for slow video AF only, which requires much lower accuracy.

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mainvision
By mainvision (3 months ago)

An important feature missing is GPS. Essential in a travel camera

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pdqgp
By pdqgp (3 months ago)

interesting as I personally would never use it.

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Jacko Wacko
By Jacko Wacko (3 months ago)

there is GPS device from Canon that you can put on this camera.

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Gochugogi
By Gochugogi (3 months ago)

I can't say I've ever felt a need for GPS in a camera. I wouldn't mind ECF...

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

GPS will probably show up when the 80D replaces the 70D. Canon never shoots off all their bullets at once. Like it or not, that's just smart business. There's already plenty in this camera to attract very strong sales, so from a business perspective, it just makes smart sense to save GPS for a future model. While consumers want EVERYTHING all at once, a company like Canon needs to think long-term and pace itself. Other brands with lower marketshare desperate to attract customers are more willing to load everything they can think of into their products. But Canon doesn't need to be so desperate.

And yes, I agree, GPS is essential for a travel camera. Things like cars, phones, and cameras should all have GPS these days. It's just a huge convenience. In a camera, I don't think it's something that many photographers are used to yet, but obviously we're all quite used to having each image tagged with the *time* it was shot, so why not also the *location* where it was shot, too?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

would prefer the camera pull data from a GPS device (like mobile phone, can be done later at the end of a session or back at home). I need only one GPS, not one on each of my phone, iPad, camera (may be 4-5 bodies incl. P&S), ...

one that has to sit on camera is orientation.

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (3 months ago)

@T3
Nikon has no GPS on any of it's cameras yet it's behind Canon in sales. While the FF 6D has both built-in GPS and wireless. Is Canon so desperate to outsell Nikon in the entry level FF market? And frankly, for that target group, connectivity gadgets mean a lot less than a 100% VF or twin storage or RAW video. So this 'long-term' strategy you mention, based on the above, has serious flaws.
I understand your reasoning but there must be another explanation.

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Azurael
By Azurael (3 months ago)

GPS is way too slow to lock without assistance data to be of much use in a camera without killing the battery life anyway, I've turned it off on my A55 and not missed it at all. To be honest, if I can't remember where I was when I took a shot, it's probably not very important anyway :P Wifi for remote viewfinders is a far more useful bit of 'nonessential' tech in a camera.

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T3
By T3 (3 months ago)

@Gully Foyle - I'm pretty sure Canon looks at the market situation for each of their models, as well as the spec/feature offering of the individual models. In the case of the 6D, they felt that it needed WiFi *and* GPS. In the case of the 70D, since it already had the Dual Pixel CMOS as such a strong selling point, they probably decided it didn't need both WiFi *and* GPS, too...thus leaving GPS for a future model. If Dual Pixel CMOS had been ready for release in time for the 6D's introduction, we may have very well seen GPS withheld from the 6D, too! Basically, the idea is give the camera just enough for it to do well, without piling on too much (ie. shooting all your bullets, or shooting off more bullets than you need to).

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rfsIII
By rfsIII (3 months ago)

The only people who say they don't need GPS either never leave home, or are under 30 and still have a memory that works. Come back in 10 years and say you don't want it in every device you own.

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Midwest
By Midwest (3 months ago)

I think GPS is a very handy thing to have for some things, but I wouldn't call the 70D a 'travel camera'.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

The GPS function is the least important function in a camera. Sometimes, its even a disadvantage as it drains the battery if one forget to disable it. It is just a consumer feature. Its not even important for a travel writer like me. That's why you will see this feature in many point and shoot cameras and not on professional cameras.

If you are a serious travel photographer, you will keep a log book of all the places you would be taking photos. You would know exactly where the places are. In most cases, you would return to those places at different time of the day or year to take photos.

Only amateurs or consumers think it is important.

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (3 months ago)

It's very confusing that comments are possible in both the announcement and the preview! Make it for one or the other so we are able to keep track of our posts and dialogues and not having to click back and forth between pages!
Please DPR, it only makes sense!

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chillgreg
By chillgreg (3 months ago)

Agreed!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I'm okay with it.
there are multiple news entries on a single product anyway.

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Prestidigitator
By Prestidigitator (3 months ago)

The entire commenting system & forum format is a pain the eyes, has been since the beginning.

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dojoklo
By dojoklo (3 months ago)

There are a couple very important aspects of the 70D that this preview does not address. If you could please add some info it would be helpful:

1. Which Menu settings and Custom Functions does the 70D have/ lack compared to the 7D and 6D? These differences of functionality and customization are what can make/ break the decision for a semi-pro user or someone considering it as a second body.

2. Which AF Area Selection Modes does the 70D have? While the 19 pt AF system is similar to the 7D, The fact that the 70D appears to only offer Single Point, Zone, and Auto 19-point (while eliminating Expansion and Spot) could make or break the decision for a sports, action, or wildlife shooter (the Canon Europe specs and video seem to confirm only 3 AF Area modes.)

Thanks

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f_stops
By f_stops (3 months ago)

Manual focus confirmation possible? No reason this needs a canon lens or a/f to confirm focus.

This technology could be a real game changer, especially for rangefinder sized cameras. Focus peaking has drawbacks. So does the messsuchur (rangefinder) although completely usable and (I find) the best alternative to OV-SLR's.

A Leica/nex sized FF would be ideal with phase detection confirmation.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

if we have NEX (or Fuji X or Canon M) we won't need to go full-frame because we have two reasons for a larger sensor,
(1) to overcome the long back focus of SLRs (about 45mm)
(2) to make large aperture lenses
the first is not an issue for mirrorless (excl. m4/3" and NX),
and it's easier to make large aperture lenses than SLRs,
like f/1.8 zooms and f/0.9 primes.

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AndyGM
By AndyGM (3 months ago)

Does this mean it can only focus on vertical features, not horizontal ones?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

one will have to choose horizontal or vertical but not both.
80D with 80.80MP sensor may solve the problem.

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Gully Foyle
By Gully Foyle (3 months ago)

I would think that the pixels, being so small and so dense (and so many), will have no issue identifying the slightest tilt in a seemingly horizontal subject, as long as it's reasonably big to see it through the VF. Theoretically, you'll have to be shooting razors' edges from like 10 meters to fool it!

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Regnwald
By Regnwald (3 months ago)

I wonder if the evolution really is 60D 70D (80D) or 7D 70D (700D)

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s d
By s d (3 months ago)

When is the Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM coming? As Canon has given so much importance to the video features for 70D, this lens is now a must.

Also there should be a way to capture full resolution still photo while taking video without dropping a video frame ... Nikon at least has the Live Frame Grab for those who doesn't do post-processing of videos immediately.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I also want a new super-zoom with much better image quality for both motion & still. but for 35mm full-frame EF (28-300) or EF-M (18-200), not EF-S.

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dopravopat
By dopravopat (3 months ago)

I wonder how Canon adressed the aliasing and moireé issues that result in low sharpness and disturbing artifacts in video mode. The new AF looks promising, but if the video output remains on the level of previous models it will be a disappointment.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

it seems that there is no dramatic change in readout.

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Babka08
By Babka08 (3 months ago)

Where this is better than Sony in my opinion is retaining an optical viewfinder. I don't understand all the mumbo jumbo, but removing the mirror in Sony sounds inevitable. However, the deeper slr lens mounts will be a legacy challenge in terms of seeking greater compactness. Witness the Pentax K-01 retaining K-mount. Chunky business.

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Ian from Berks
By Ian from Berks (3 months ago)

Had nothing but problems with my Alpha 77 (which is why I am reading this review) and thinking of switching. The Translucent system is an example of Sony being clever with no real reward

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

Sony and Pentax don't have good technology to make high performane mirror boxes. they are forced to make inventions turned no big deal at the end of the day.

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Doug Janis
By Doug Janis (3 months ago)

The entire Pentax DSLR line is now pentaprism, even the entry-level K500. That and a 100% OVF. You have to go up $400 to find that on any other brand.

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Regnwald
By Regnwald (3 months ago)

I don't want to lose the 'view' mode of use for sport or wild-life, still or video. But there is a 3rd party view box that gives a 'view mode ' in video mode. I'd better start practicing.

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