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Canon EOS 70D Hands-on Preview

July 2013 | By Andy Westlake


Preview based on a pre-production Canon EOS 70D

During the early days of digital SLRs, Canon was pretty much the undisputed leader in CMOS image sensor technology. Almost every new EOS model came with an increase in resolution and high ISO range, and when the EOS 7D appeared in late 2009, the company had progressed from 3MP to 18MP, and ISO 1600 to ISO 12800, in just over nine years. But since then Canon's APS-C cameras have all sported variants on the same basic sensor design, to the extent that you could be forgiven for wondering what on earth their engineers were doing all day. Now we know.

The EOS 70D is a mid-range SLR for enthusiast photographers that from the outside looks like a sensible, indeed desirable upgrade to the EOS 60D. It borrows many of the best bits from Canon's existing SLRs, including the autofocus sensor from the EOS 7D, the fully articulated touchscreen from the EOS 700D (Rebel T5i), and built-in Wi-Fi from the EOS 6D. But on the inside it sports an entirely new sensor that is, potentially, revolutionary. It offers 20.2MP resolution, but uses a 'Dual Pixel CMOS AF' design in which every single pixel is split into two separately-readable photodiodes, facing left and right. This means that in principle they are all capable of phase detection autofocus in live view and movie mode.

On-chip phase detection is nothing new - we first saw it in the Fujifilm F300EXR back in 2010. Since then it's been adopted in one form or another by most manufacturers, with arguably its most successful implementation coming in Nikon's 1 System mirrorless models. But because until now it's used relatively few active pixels scattered sparsely across the sensor, it's had practical limitations, often only covering a restricted area of the frame and struggling once the light drops below outdoor daylight levels. Canon says that its Dual Pixel AF system, in contrast, works across an area 80% of the frame width and height, in light levels as low as 0 EV, and at apertures down to F11. This means it could well be the most capable live view autofocus system we've yet seen on any type of camera.

We'll look at the technology behind the EOS 70D's live view AF in more detail later, but let's not forget that it has to work as a conventional SLR too. To this end it uses the same 19-point AF sensor as the EOS 7D for viewfinder shooting, but with slightly simplified control options in firmware. It can rattle shots off at 7fps for up to 65 frames in JPEG or 16 in RAW, and its standard ISO range covers 100-12800, with ISO 25600 as an expanded option. Image processing is via the DIGIC 5+ processor first seen in the EOS 5D Mark III.

In terms of control layout the EOS 70D is a logical evolution of the EOS 60D, adopting many of Canon's intervening updates and improvements. So it offers a full set of external controls to operate most key functions, and Canon's well-designed Quick Control screen to cover pretty much everything else. It also adopts the superb touchscreen interface that debuted on the EOS 650D (Rebel T4i), which we've found to be more useful than you might at first think. The 70D also regains an array of features that disappeared between the EOS 50D and 60D, such as AF microadjustment.

Canon EOS 70D key features

  • 20.2MP APS-C 'Dual Pixel CMOS AF' sensor
  • DIGIC 5+ image processor
  • ISO 100-12800 standard, 25600 expanded
  • 7fps continuous shooting, burst depth 65 JPEG / 16 RAW
  • 'Silent' shutter mode
  • 1080p30 video recording, stereo sound via external mic
  • 19-point AF system, all points cross-type, sensitive to -0.5 EV
  • 63-zone iFCL metering system
  • 98% viewfinder coverage, 0.95x magnification, switchable gridlines and electronic level display
  • Fully-articulated touchscreen, 1040k dot 3" ClearView II LCD, 3:2 aspect ratio
  • Single SD/SDHC/SDXC card slot
  • Built-in Wi-Fi
  • Single-axis electronic level
  • Built-in flash works as off-camera remote flash controller
  • AF microadjustment (can be set individually for up to 40 lenses, remembered by lens serial number)
  • In-camera High Dynamic Range and Multiple Exposure modes (JPEG-only)
  • 'Creative Filter' image processing styles, previewed in live view

Key specs compared

In the table below we see how some of the EOS 70D's key specs measure up against its more expensive big brother, the EOS 7D, and its main rival, the Nikon D7100. What's interesting here is just how close the 70D is to the 7D in terms of spec - in much the same way as Nikon's D7000 made the D300S look almost redundant, it's quite difficult to see why most Canon users would now choose the top-end APS-C model.

 
Canon EOS 70D
Canon EOS 7D
Nikon D7100
 Effective Pixels  • 20.2 MP  • 18.0 MP  • 24.1 MP
 ISO Range  • 100-12800 standard
 • 25600 expanded
 • 100-6400 standard
 • 12800 expanded
 • 100-6400 standard
 • 50-25600 expanded
 No of AF points  • 19  • 19  • 51
 AF in live view  • Phase detection  • Contrast detection  • Contrast detection
 Screen  • 3.0" 3:2
 • 1,040,000 dots
 • Fully-articulated
 • Touch sensitive
 • 3.0" 4:3
 • 920,000 dots
 • Fixed
 • 3.2" 4:3
 • 1,228,800 dots
 • Fixed
 Viewfinder  • 98% coverage
 • 0.95x magnification
 • 100% coverage
 • 1.0x magnification
 • 100% coverage
 • 0.94x magnification
 Continuous drive  • 7 fps  • 8 fps  • 6 fps
 Storage  • SD/SDHC/SDXC  • Compact flash  • SD/SDHC/SDXC
 • 2 slots
 Weight
 (inc batteries)
 • 755g (1.7 lb)  • 860g (1.9 lb)  • 765g (1.7 lb)
 Dimensions  • 139 x 104 x 79 mm
   (5.5 x 4.1 x 3.1")
 • 148 x 111 x 74 mm
   (5.8 x 4.4 x 2.9")
 • 136 x 107 x 76 mm
   (5.4 x 4.2 x 3.0")
 Wi-Fi  •  Built-in  •  Optional  •  Optional

Size and design compared to the EOS 60D

The EOS 70D directly replaces the EOS 60D in Canon's range, and is very similar in terms of size and design. It's a bit smaller though, and has a sensibly-updated control layout. Here we take a more-detailed look at the two cameras side-by-side.

From the front the EOS 70D looks almost identical to the 60D. But it's slimmed down a bit, being fractionally narrower. Look a little closer and you can also see that the 60D's front-facing mono microphone has gone (replaced by stereo mics on the top plate).
The two cameras are pretty similar from the back too, with the 70D retaining the same basic layout. It gains Canon's improved live view/movie mode controller, and has a physical switch to lock the rear dial against accidental operation rather than a button. Other than that it uses all the same buttons, just not necessarily in the same order.
From the top, again the 70D is very much a sensible evolution. The mode dial is simplified and now rotates continuously rather than having hard end stops, and there's a new AF area expansion button next to the shutter release. But the rest of the controls are all essentially the same.

Kit options and pricing

The EOS 70D will be sold body-only for £1079 / $1199 / €1099, as a kit with the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM for £1199.99 / $1340 / €1249, or with the EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM lens for £1399.99 $1549 / €1499. The BG-E14 battery grip will cost £229.99 / $270 / €215.


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igor_s
By igor_s (1 month ago)

It seems that the 70D owners will have described everything before the review appears. Actually, 70D = 60D + on-chip PDAF, which is the only thing to investigate given the available sensor performance test results from DxOMark.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (1 month ago)

the improvement of image quality is quite obvious using a pair of test devices designed by god.

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igor_s
By igor_s (1 month ago)

Only with help of a self-programmed signal processing unit :).

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lensberg
By lensberg (1 month ago)

And what is the D7100 exactly... a refurbished D7000 + a Toshiba sensor - the OPLF...?

Since DXO seems to have been in a tearing hurry to demean the 70D ... why don't they at least provide conclusive samples or evidence of their testing to substantiate the random numbers they put forth... Just to add an ounce of credibility to their name...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (1 month ago)

D7100 could be a better camera with LPF and faster frame rate/large buffer.

think the image quality is improved, slightly better low light performance thanks partly to saving of LPF though, and the AF module is much better.

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Steve Wilson
By Steve Wilson (1 month ago)

I find that calibrating phase focus by getting it to match contrast focus extremely useful. I hope future cameras will offer both in live view and not just abandon the contrast method.

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chj
By chj (1 month ago)

bah, I had high hopes, but looks like dual pixel advantages are limited to video. For photos in live view, the screen goes blank for continuous shooting and shot to shot time is painfully slow. So for photos, the 70D changes nothing. The options are still use a viewfinder for PDAF, or use a mirrorless for live view CDAF.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

Those interested to learn the finer tips of videograpghy can check out:

"The ten commandments of cinematography for still photographers" at luminous-landscape.com.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

Just tested the Canon 70D recently.

Its a great camera which should sell very well. It is slightly smaller than the 60D which fits snugly in one's hand. Its not too heavy or light and balance very well.

The AF is extremely fast even on the 18-55mm STM kit lens. Image quality using the kit lens is more than satisfactory. You will definitely get even better image quality using "L" or Zeiss lenses. Even manual focus is a breeze.

There is almost no noise up to ISO3200.

I might just get one as a backup to my Canon 5D MkII. The built-in flash and the ability to use off camera flash is certainly very useful. The crop factor giving it a longer reach is also very useful.

What is most amazing is it can auto focus on lenses even at aperture up to f11. So, adding 2X extenders to most lenses should not handicap your AF.

Those expecting to use AF for video should be happy. However, remember, professional film makers always use manual focus for the cinematic look. Just learn the technique.

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ManuKomban
By ManuKomban (2 months ago)

I am buying this Canon 70D but I am totally confused on the lens. I want a general purpose lens with some zoom. So i was planning for the Canon 18-200 but with 70D i heard that it would work better with STM lens for video. The only option then is the 18-55 STM + 55-250mm STM. Only thing is i dont fascinate changing lens too much but i want to be able to take occasional video as well. Kindly suggest if 18-200 itself is ok or is there some other option or these 2 are the best. Thanks.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

Canon 18-200 is no good lens compared with Nikon.
EF-S 18-135 is okay but not very good.

the 18-55 STM + 55-250 STM is currently the best ones. I think they are better than similar kit lenses from all other makers.

probably 18-135 is good for you if you really hate changing lenses.

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

You may read some reviews and get numerical data from DxOMark, SLRGear, Lenstip and other respectable sites. BTW, why not try a third-party lens?

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puppylove4ever
By puppylove4ever (2 months ago)

yabokkie- I'm still learning so much. I am in much the same thinking process as ManuKomban. In your response, when you said the "EF-S 18-135 is okay but not very good", were you referring to the 18-135 STM? I was thinking the 18-135 STM would be good for most cases and support better video with minimal lens changing; assume I would only need to switch to 55-250 STM for longer distance (primarily sports) use.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

18-135 STM is better than non-STM,
but not as good as Nikon 18-105 (I like this lens a lot).
there is a reason for narrower zoom ranges.

depending on your taste, 55-250 STM should be good as a standard zoom. 70-200 is my standard zoom and 24-70 is my wide angle zoom.

btw, I'm not promoting Nikon. I try to be neutral as possible.

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RicardoPhotos
By RicardoPhotos (2 months ago)

PP = Pixel Peepers or Poor Photographers?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

there is nothing wrong with pixel peeping, only many people misunderstand what they see (seeing is misleading).

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EDWARD ARTISTE
By EDWARD ARTISTE (1 month ago)

now thats one dumb statement there

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (3 weeks ago)

PP can also mean Post Processed

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

Well, I think now everybody will admit that the 70D loses to D5x00 and D7x00 in SNR, the difference being, at my sight, 0.5 to 2/3 stops ISO. Is seems to be on par with 60D, which Canon predicted.The sales will depend on how useful its new AF system is.

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gooz49
By gooz49 (2 months ago)

did you test it side by side? cause im still clean at 3200 iso.. that means that the high iso of the d7100 is much more cleaner than the 5dmark2 w/c is a full frame? thats nice

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

See already available DxOMark results - no visible difference with 60D.

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lensberg
By lensberg (2 months ago)

Something is seriously wrong with DXO's testing methodology... 5D III was cleaner than D800 at anything above ISO 1600 ... The 6D was cleaner than the D600 and now this... but they seem to always favor Nikon completely irrespective of real world results / usage...

The 70D easily looks as clean, if not cleaner at high iso's compared to the D7100 - scrutinizing RAW & JPEG's side by side...

If you or DXO can honestly state that the 70D is "noisier" than the D7100 than there is either something wrong with your eyes or mine...

Alas wish there was some other alternate sensor testing website to at least provide us with a second unbiased opinion...

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chouster
By chouster (2 months ago)

http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Canon_EOS_70D/RAW_noise.shtml
D7100 is simply a bit better, you can see it clearly in the raw comparison, and in the jpeg comparison too. canons jpeg engine is more aggresive, resulting in less noise but smudgy details, you can do that do the d7100 files too if you like that and achieve better results. So yeah, the 70d is good, but the IQ of the D7100 is superior.

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lensberg
By lensberg (2 months ago)

I was actually comparing the RAW samples here on Dpreview, plus imaging resource & ephotozine - The later two especially show that the 70D has a clear advantage in high ISO image quality.

To be absolutely honest I don't fully trust the veracity of cameralabs samples... and this apples to numerous cameras across the board that Gordon reviews...

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chouster
By chouster (2 months ago)

In the past I had the feeling he made the Canons, especially the Rebels better than they are. Basically what you're saying is that you don't trust the sites where the Nikon has the edge...

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kai liu
By kai liu (1 month ago)

agree with lensberg. look very closely at the 100% crop between canon 70d, 7d, nikon d7000 and d7100. Can not really tell much difference. really all look similar. maybe the nikon d7000 has an edge. I think that 16mp is by far the best for aps-c sensor.
but compare to canon 6d. can see clearly advantage, at least 1 stop better. maybe like 1 and 1/3 stop better.

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chouster
By chouster (1 month ago)

kai liu, i was talking about the review on cameralabs.com . There is a comparison between the D7100 and the 70D, and the D7100 looks better at all ISO levels in JPEG and in RAW.

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NewForce
By NewForce (2 months ago)

Canon DSLR has long been a laughter for their poor video AF performance. I've think that was also one of the reason why majority Canon DSLR users don't or reluctant to shoot video with their camera.

With the new 70D (and other newer models to follow), I believe Canon DSLR users will start to pick up and making good use of this new AF features. Otherwise this new Canon AF feature will be a waste, or even become a gimmick that did not help Canon much to sell more DSLR.

Btw, I do admit using the very bulky Canon 70D or any of their midrange to pro DSLR to shoot video will make one look very odd. Use a normal camcorder or point&shoot camera with 5x above motorize operated optical zoom to shoot video will be a better choice.

Maybe Canon should seriously re-consider to release a EF-S mount mirrorless DSLR that come with thinner body profile (diff from EOS-M). And please, no more newer type of lens mounting. Doing that will just confuse and scare away any potential new Canon customers.

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

DSLR (or any PHOTOcamera-shaped device) handheld video shooting is simply uncomfortable, that's it.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

There is no problem shooting video with Canon DSLRs. The 5D Mk2 is so good in shooting video that professional film makers use them to make movies or TV Commercials.

Most important, one must know what he is doing.

Do not use AF for shooting video. Professional film makers always use manual focus.

For more information, read the recent article at:

luminous-landscape.com

for some tips on how to get cinematic look for your videos.

Manual focus is the way to go. Just learn the right technique.

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NewForce
By NewForce (2 months ago)

Pixels towards the edge aren't used for AF for technical reasons, despite having the same dual-photodiode structure.

It's not for technical reason.
I've strongly believed, Canon reserved the other 20% for more pricier Canon Pro-DSLR camera.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

they are used for AF within the 80% x 80% area near the AF borderline (left/right) for you cannot do PDAF using single side only.

also nearer the subject to the sensor border, narrower the range of defocus can the AF work properly, which will easily send the AF into wild searching.

there are other issues like lens aberration (a 35mm format lens with a larger sensor may work but you can't use that extra portion for image or you will run into the same problem again), and camera shake (upper/lower).

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NewForce
By NewForce (2 months ago)

We'll get see how it go, when Canon release 7D MkII, 5D MkIV, 1DX MkII.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

> and camera shake (upper/lower).

also subject movement and focus breathing
I would like to see a hybrid 1DX + 1DC = 1DXC

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novthx
By novthx (2 months ago)

What Ive noticed when I use the zoom feature,when in live view 5x 10x to zoom in on the subject,its not sharp and has a hard time focusing. I hope canon resolves this issue. Using the 18-55 IS STM lens.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

possibilities could be (1) that it's not sharp because it's an open loop PDAF (should use AI servo instead of one-shot mode), and (2) if you limit the focusing area too small, the subject (a high contrast area the AF is looking at) may go out of frame easily because of hand shake (that AF got seasick).

this is one of the reasons Canon limited AF area to 80% (linear) of the sensor. should try to use a mono/tripod when you need enlarged view.

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sgtpetter
By sgtpetter (2 months ago)

I just received my Canon 70D here in Norway! Go to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEPBrL7K7g to watch me unbox it :-)

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70D
By 70D (2 months ago)

I just received an email and my 70D has shipped and will be here by Tuesday, Aug 27 (Calgary, Canada) ):>

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nikanth
By nikanth (2 months ago)

Will canon's split pixel tech allow error free increase of bokeh with slow/short lens. Background-defocus on steroids?
As we the data will show whether each pixel was in focus, and probably even by how much it was out-of focus, it should be easy to amplify that out-of-focusness?

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

Down with video! Viva la photos! :)

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chj
By chj (2 months ago)

A bit of disappointing news from cnet's preview: You can't use live view tracking unless you use face detection mode, which is not particularly reliable. Isn't this the main advantage that dual pixel was supposed to provide? Fast accurate autofocus AND tracking in live view?
"Live View tracking AF is frequently misled into locking on things that aren't faces -- you can't disable face detection for this mode"

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

I think DPREVIEW and Canon both overestimate the importance of video in these cameras. I deal with people everyday buying cameras and slr's and most, if not nearly 90%, could care less about video.

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poodlemom2
By poodlemom2 (2 months ago)

I agree about photographers wanting the video. I have never used the video on my current Canon.
Would appreciate some input. The 70D sounds nice; but what about the 60D or even the 7D. I primarily shoot portraits; no sports shots; occasional landscapes. Mostly just people and pets. The 60D is half the price. My big concern is noise. I have had Canon's for years and in the Rebel line for the last 5 years. Just looking for better quality photo....especially less noise.
Suggestions welcomed. PS. I have several SD cards and dread the thought of going to Compact Flash Cards....but will do that if that would be the best decision

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Ahad01
By Ahad01 (2 months ago)

You should look for better lens. I should improve your picture quality a lot.

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

If you are shooting still or slowly moving objects and you do not utterly need lower noise, just stick with your Rebel and wait (I guess, for two years or so). Might switch to 60D for better AF and burst rate. If you do need lower noise then go for a relatively inexpensive FF (6D or D600, depending on your existing lens collection and personal preferences).

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Eduardo Miyashita
By Eduardo Miyashita (2 months ago)

I didn't care about video or Live View and was happy with a 1st gen Digital Rebel for a long time. Until my son was born, in Nov.2010. I wanted to film the birth, first steps, etc, but didn't want to carry more gear (camcorder). So I bought the 60D. But I found out it was too limited for videos because of the useless auto focus (and manual focus through the monitor is too difficult, especially in bright light, also makes my movies quite poor).
Another situation for live view autofocus: in trips I often want pictures of me and my family in a beautiful scenario, taken by anyone else. Most people don't know how to shoot through the viewfinder, and the 60D live view is infeasible for those who don't know the camera (in contrast detection, people don't wait 3 seconds to focus; and in phase detection, people think the mirror-up to focus is already the shot, and lose the picture).
My take: a decent autofocus in live view or video is not that useless, even for typical still photographers.

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Class Four
By Class Four (2 months ago)

I currently own 3 dslr. I've never even shot a test video.

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

The core of Eduardo Miyashita's post: a decent autofocus in live view or video is not that useless, even for typical still photographers who don't know the camera and don't want to wait for 3 seconds in contrast detection:).

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Stephen Cook
By Stephen Cook (2 months ago)

I may be an outlier, but I'm seriously thinking about the 70D, and the video is important to me. I started out doing still photography, but started getting more and more video requests. I'm currently working with a site that covers college football, and they'll use still photos to illustrate an article, but use video interviews as a stand alone article. It's been a huge learning curve, but has greatly increased my marketability, and forced me out of my comfort zone in learning new skills and keeping things fresh.

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amoebaman
By amoebaman (2 months ago)

I'm considering selling my nikon d7100 and my 5 lenses to buy a canon kit, and most of the reason is that autofocus is utterly unusable on the nikon. All will depend on the reviews of the 70d

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Ioan Danubiu
By Ioan Danubiu (3 weeks ago)

What I think you don't understand here is that it's not really video that's at stake when it comes to sensor focusing. It's the future of focusing in photography, because sooner or later, the mirror will disappear.
The same thing happened in 1985, when Canon took the first move and introduced autofocus motors in all their lenses. Many Canon users were angry then, and left for Nikon and other brands, but Canon gained the supremacy in photography for a very long time...

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Rbrt
By Rbrt (3 days ago)

I agree about video. I'm really only interested in stills. However, I do not agree with those who say live view is unimportant. I like using it for landscape photography when I have time to really compose the shot.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (2 months ago)

Okay, okay, so Canon had finally beefed up the autofocus in their ageing DSLRs a bit. THAT is worth 857 comments? Let me guess now -- all of these are from hard-core, to-the-death Canon users? :-))

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Daxs
By Daxs (2 months ago)

Happy! :)

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

"For 60D owners, there's also the advantage of a faster frame rate, up from 5.3 to 7 fps, an improvement that came in handy when shooting the boats."
I am already running)))

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (2 months ago)

Decisions, decisions. My APS-C body Canons are in need of an upgrade, but I'm still finding it difficult to part with my trusty 40D because it just works and works and works. It may be old, but it ain't quitting no time soon. I acquired a Rebel T3i a little over a year ago to be a backup to the 40D, but it's seen little use because the 40D is such a fast handling camera and I refuse to put it down. Still, there are times when I could use the extra cropping leeway that an 18 or 20mp sensor provides over my 10mp 40D. Since the new 70D is at least as fast as my 40D and has the denser sensor, all in a similar sized body that includes a tricked out video function that I might actually try out, then it could be my primary body and my trusty 40D would become the backup. Goodbye T3i. Hello 70D. Problem solved. :)

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igor_s
By igor_s (2 months ago)

Why not 7D?

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (2 months ago)

igor_s, I equip my bodies with vertical grips, and the 7D turned out to be too tall to fit in my gear bag properly, but it was in the running, especially now that prices are much lower for it.

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callaesthetics
By callaesthetics (2 months ago)

impressive

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

Canon call the dual-pixel AF "an invention of the decade"
I hope other makers be able to do it soon.

first DSLR with a Canon CIS: D30, 2000/10
first DSLR with a Sony CIS: D2X, 2005/02 (not so good)
first DSLR with a good CIS: A700, 2007/11 (better than 40D)

first DSLR with Canon dual-pixel AF, 2013/08
first DSLR with rival all-pixel PDAF, ??? performance ???

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dual12
By dual12 (2 months ago)

Same old noisy Canon sensor with blown highlights and limited dynamic range.

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Johnk781
By Johnk781 (2 months ago)

every one of those shots appears to be out of focus, maybe a bad kit lens.

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RitterRunkel
By RitterRunkel (1 month ago)

Noisy?? These samples are damn soft and look filtered like hell. No noise at all. The problem is, there are no sharp (=detailed!) parts at all in full view! It's all smudgy. The images become watchable scaled down ... and look nicely clean and sharper then. But I'm not the guy watching pics in tiny sizes only.

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Daxs
By Daxs (2 months ago)

Why not the same tests and articles for the Iphone 5?
Just kidding! :D

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (2 months ago)

Does it feature on sensor pdaf? I don't think so. Nx300 does and has been available for a while now.

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UnclePhil
By UnclePhil (2 months ago)

I know I'm being picky but, why would you shoot a piston prop plane at 1/500th? Even worse when the plane is side on.

I'm at a bit of a crossroads with this. I have a 40D with some good L lenses, but it's really starting to show its age, especially when shooting low light. Still a great camera (and I will keep it) but I can't decide on a 70D or perhaps moving to a full frame 6D or even 5D MkIII. The trouble is at the moment, new developing technologies are moving far quicker than ever, and today's new camera is likely to lack a big new feature within about two years from now.

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Ronald1959
By Ronald1959 (2 months ago)

I agree. I sold my 40D en L lenses. It's still a very good camera and i facing the same problems. Maybe is the 70D for now the better choice and wait for de Canon 5D mark IV or the Canoj 7D mark II. Ik think for the time beeing i will have fun with the 70D.

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msmithphd80
By msmithphd80 (2 months ago)

Maybe a silly Q... but why is the processor digic 5 and not digic 6....? They have digic 6 on their latest P&S. Wouldn't that make this camera even better in low-light? What am I missing....?

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dual12
By dual12 (2 months ago)

I doubt digic 6 is going to help that noisy, low dynamic range sensor. Canon need to upgrade the sensor, not the software.

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

Canon is typically noisier in real world shooting and has less dynamic range then a Nikon camera. But, they are faster AF and faster frame rate plus better on video.

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Ronald1959
By Ronald1959 (2 months ago)

For testing the sensor they needed a trustworthy processor.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (2 months ago)

Why not the same tests and articles for the samsung nx300, released about 5 months ago, with hybrid af? Af wise, it just placed ahed of nikon d7100 and pentax k5-ii on a german magazine, that cared to test it.

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

Shhh... Samsung doesn't sponsor Amazon or Dpreview enough for that sort of attention.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (2 months ago)

Samsung is not that good, get over it

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

Have you used Samsung? Their AF is actually quite good and the images look very impressive. As with most MFG's, it depends on your lenses. I have used a basic Samsung NX1000 with their 85mm lens and they looked great. Pretty good IQ, too. So, please don't just believe these well oiled reviews. Try them out.

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noiseless
By noiseless (2 months ago)

I didn't have the time to read all these post and check that I was not repeating simeones. My apology.

I hope the 70D is less noise and better focus than the 7D. It already list lower original retail price. If so, should be great for stop action at 400mm driving it to 640 with the 1.6 sensor. Help me out on this one. Please comment as I enjoy capturing birds and butterflies in flight with a 5DIII and a 400 f5.6 user freindly fix lens not to mention decent quality. Bring on the comments.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

D7100 is like an APS-C version of 5D3, higher resolution than 70D (setback a little for no AA-filter though), only it won't take Canon lenses (will have to use 300/4D but this lens is significantly sharper than 300/4LIS).

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noiseless
By noiseless (2 months ago)

Thanks for the info. I'll give it try went it hits the rental shelf and team it up with the 400 f/2.8 VR. Should be interesting.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

sorry except one thing that the buffer is hopelessly small for up to 9 raw shots only or 1.5 seconds, 14 shots in 4/3" mode (15.4MP).

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msmithphd80
By msmithphd80 (2 months ago)

I'd love to see some of that fancy Live View video on some butterfly in flight shooting - if you get any examples of that please post them!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

I don't have a sample but 70D's dual-pixel AF looks more responsive than Sony translucent with no penalty on image quality.

you can search "70D" on youtube while it's waiting in DPReview's queue.

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chouster
By chouster (2 months ago)

Imho, the 60d is the better video camera till Magic Lantern runs on the 70d. In fact Magic Lantern is nearly the only reason I would consider buying a canon at all.

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beavertown
By beavertown (2 months ago)

Nikon is dying. They don't even have their own sensor.

Canon 70D kills the Nikon equivalent by thousand miles.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

better not. a healthy Nikon is good for Canon users. it's great to have the freedom to use the best sensors on the market (as long as it's not Canon).

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chouster
By chouster (2 months ago)

The D7100 is superior as a camera for stills. Specs wise and IQ wise. Visible even at ISO 100. Considering video: Did you see a low light / high iso video of the 70d yet?

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

You are misinformed. The current Nikon models actually use house built sensors. And the argument that because a company doesn't build their own sensors means they are dying is stupid.

The Nikon still has better dynamic range, better color depth and better for most shots outside of sports and video.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (2 months ago)

@ Eyeglass10101 Beavertown is not completely wrong, Nikon uses Sony and recently Toshiba sensors in their cameras and in the past Aptina made sensors for Nikon, so you are wrong by saying they make their own sensors, but I see nothing wrong with a company using the best sensors out there so all the power to Nikon, all Canon does is recycle their old sensors, this is their first new sensor in a long time

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (2 months ago)

@ Eyeglass10101 Beavertown is not completely wrong, Nikon uses Sony and recently Toshiba sensors in their cameras and in the past Aptina made sensors for Nikon, so you are wrong by saying they make their own sensors, but I see nothing wrong with a company using the best sensors out there so all the power to Nikon, all Canon does is recycle their old sensors, this is their first new sensor in a long time

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (2 months ago)

The picture of the victorious racer in the boat is labelled ISO25,600, but EXIF says ISO100.

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SETI
By SETI (2 months ago)

+1

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

@DPR: your link to "High ISO JPEG comparison page" is broken.

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Sviz
By Sviz (2 months ago)

Since this is basically a 40MP sensor, I don't understand why Canon didn't make it output a 40MP image, instead of combining the information from pairs of photosites and output a 20MP image. Can someone explain me?

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Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (2 months ago)

Because the sub-pixels are under the same microlens and the same color filter. Also since the pixels are split in half, subpixels are no longer square requiring extra interpolation to get a normal image. There is no point in 40MP from this sensor because the amount of extra spatial information (i.e. detail) would negligible.

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T3
By T3 (2 months ago)

"Since this is basically a 40MP sensor..."

You might as well stop there, because you're wrong.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

it depends how we define pixel.

it's a 40MP sensor that can do 20MP resolution (Bayer) and
we cannot get 40MP output as it is out of the box
(might be able to do with some hacking, might be not).

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utomo99
By utomo99 (2 months ago)

dual pixel AF better than the previous, but still need improvement.
I want to see this on compact camera such as S 200

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garyknrd
By garyknrd (2 months ago)

As a birder, which I know I am a minority. It is dead in the water. Save my pennies for some later dslr. Absolutely nothing for me at this point.

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mosava
By mosava (2 months ago)

So, how do Canon's interpretation of live view AF compare to Sony's???

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BeaniePic
By BeaniePic (2 months ago)

From what I've tried so far. Much better...

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TrojMacReady
By TrojMacReady (3 weeks ago)

If you want to track faster movement or irragular movement, the Sony SLT's are still much better for using a dedicated PDAF module like any SLR out there.

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KawaiiYong
By KawaiiYong (2 months ago)

So is this camera better than 7D?

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Ronald1959
By Ronald1959 (2 months ago)

Are you kidding?
Ofcourse it is better then the 7D.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

not frame rate

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Daxs
By Daxs (2 months ago)

It is big question!
I was thinking about 7D, now- I don't know!

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tongki
By tongki (2 months ago)

7D is a rubbish,
who said 7D AF is awesome,
not even close to 1D mark IV

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chj
By chj (2 months ago)

Seriously? the 1D costs 3x more, it better have better AF

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6kimages
By 6kimages (2 months ago)

rubbish? 7d is a sportshooter for sure why compare to 1D

70D appears to have some better qualitites than the 7D and in other areas not.depends on what you need

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

okay, it's second to rubbish.
the image quality of 7D is unacceptable
compared with rivals and 70D.

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Eyeglass10101
By Eyeglass10101 (2 months ago)

The 7D was good when it came out three years ago (but then again, Canon spewed the same sensor for years).

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007peter
By 007peter (2 months ago)

wrong section

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Christoph Stephan
By Christoph Stephan (2 months ago)

"why bother with the bulk of an SLR?" Simply, framing with the screen at arms length
1. negates any advantage image stabilisation may offer, and this gets even worse with huge telephoto lenses like te EF 100-400mm L IS
2. is still a pain in bright light making composition - the essence of creative photography - guesswork
3. Optical finders consume less battery power than screens and EVF. Battery empty - no photos.

For me the EOS M and other viewfinderless garbage will always be a cup which I will let pass by, give me an SLR with decent OVF anytime.

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Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (2 months ago)

It doesn't help your argument to mistate things: only if you are rather far-sighted w/o corrective lenses do you need to hold & frame with a rear LCD at arms length. You can brace you elbows against your body. Holding a camera incorrectly is not a negative on the camera -- plenty of people don't hold SLRs correctly.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

> worse with huge telephoto lenses like te EF 100-400

the view display doesn't have to be on the camera. you can put a flat display on a 400/2.8 (with shade maybe) which will make life much easier than peeking into a keyhole, especially for fast moving subjects.

a high resolution, fast responding Google Glass (head mount display) should be also good or better.

the keyhole type viewfinder is okay, not bad at the moment, but it exists mostly because of our technical incapability.

should break down the issue and reasons to see what they really are, have a good understanding of the issue, before we can reason.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

> battery empty - no photos

serious, a lot of people will die when batteries die.

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007peter
By 007peter (2 months ago)

wow, so much hate for EOS-M. You don't have to buy it you know ;-)

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Christoph Stephan
By Christoph Stephan (2 months ago)

Reply to Erik Magnus:
".... You can brace you elbows against your body. Holding a camera incorrectly is not a negative on the camera -- plenty of people don't hold SLRs correctly."

Still you hold the camera at a distance from your face. With an optical finder, you press it against your face, i.e. three stabilisation points instead of two (2 hands + face) - thus this position is still way more stable.

Reply to 007Peter:
"... so much hate for the EOS-M"
The preview took a strong position "...why bother with the bulk of a DSLR" (if we habe an version with improved focus" - implying that our DSLRs might be just bulky toys, mostly unnnessary in the future.
Therefore my strong wording - alongside valid reasons why e still might wanbt to stick to DSLRs.
Als long as I can have my DSLR in the future, be happy with your EOS M....

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Christoph Stephan
By Christoph Stephan (2 months ago)

Rely to Erik Magnus:
Even if you stabilise with your elbows, this two point holding position (2 hands) is still less stable than the three point holding position achieved with the viewfiinder (camera pressed against the face, i.e. 2 hands + face). Therefore my position is still valid, even if it is not strictly "at arms length" every time.

Reply to Yaboccie:
This may be very useable on a tripod, but I fail to see how you can use this construction handheld. I was talking about heavy telephoto lenses which you still can use handheld (and may have too for fast moving subjects).

Reply to 007Peter:
The reviewers used quite strong wording "why bother with the bulk of an SLR (if you can have an EOS-M with imporved AF)" Therefore I gave some reasons why - and some strong wording as well
Enjoy your EOS M, as long as I will be able to obtain DSLRs at reasonable prices in the future as well, and not all we can get is mirrorless...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

Christoph Stephan,

you hold the camera in a similar way as if you were peeking into a keyhole only your eyes are on the display mounted on the lens (or a rack from the camera) say 40cm from the camera. this will work for all the lenses except wide angles.

acturally there are better ways to do it, that we can hold a super telephoto lens (500/4 and up) as if it were a shoulder fired rocket, with not only the display but also operations (should be better than iPhone) mounted on the lens.

then the camera can be a black box (like digital back) with no finder/display nor operation on it. a beautiful modular design isn't it.

for lighter weight lenses, a buttstock has been used for long time, too.

your problem is that you stuck in an existing implementation too much and fail to see open minded in a "natural" way.

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T3
By T3 (2 months ago)

My current philosophy is that I only "bother with the bulk of an SLR" when someone pays me to (I shoot weddings and portraits). But for my own shooting, like when I'm just walking around town, or traveling, or whatever, I always grab my mirrorless (m4/3) gear. So much lighter, so much more compact, so much less obtrusive and noticeable. It's really nice to have both DSLR and mirrorless. I feel sorry for people who think it has to only be one or the other.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

of course people have the right to choose worse image quality and worse cost-performance.

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Marvol
By Marvol (2 months ago)

Re your points, I'm sure you already knew this, but:
1) There's a good few mirrorless cameras out there with decent EVFs, and they will only get better.
2) Guesswork? You're having a laugh. Without preview exposure compensation, preview WB, preview histogram, preview horizon, only 95% coverage, and best of all, try to manually focus accurately without peaking and focus magnification, the only guesswork is done by those using an OVF.
3) It's called spare batteries, you can buy them for a few quid on ebay. If batteries are your bugbear, stick to film.

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Christoph Stephan
By Christoph Stephan (2 months ago)

To T3:
The strong wording in the review "why bother with...a SLR" suggested that there would be no real reason for SLRs for most cases in the future - why not go completely mirrorless. I am happy if there is both for reasonable prices, for ME it is not mirrorless...

To yabookie:
"worse image quality and cost performance"
Most mirrorless systems are more expensive than entry level mirrorless.

I do have a quite good cost performance by
1. Not upgrading every time - my EOS 20D and EOS 40D are still going strong
2. Not changing systems when a new fad (mirrorless) comes out or one manufacturer leapfrogs another for a short time
3. Concentrating my money on lenses rather than bodies
4. Enjoying my equipment and get the most out of it for a long time....

To Marvol:
I was speaking of mirrorless cams with no viewfinder at all. Still I compared an EOS 7D, EOS 6D and Olympus OM-D on a travel and camera fair and especially the 6D felt still far superior.

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (2 months ago)

I get the impression that no one is buying the EOS M, and I would have if it worked as fast as even a 10 year old digital compact, but it doesn't.

The EOS M 2 will be a step up I think.

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f64manray
By f64manray (2 months ago)

The 70D with headphone jack will be known as the 7DII. Great job Canon!

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dojoklo
By dojoklo (2 months ago)

Your example video showing "the differences between the FlexiZone single-point phase-detect AF and Face-detect/Tracking autofocus" is a little weird at best, and misleading at worst. First, one really wouldn't consider Face Detect to be the "default" AF mode - it is simply one of the 4 modes that the user can choose from, and it just happens to be the first one listed. The user is expected to select the mode that best fits the scene, and so that being said...

Why do you keep trying to use Face Detect to focus on a scene clearly without a face, and then commenting how there is a lag? Yes, there is a lag as the camera ponders why the user left it set on the Face Detect mode when there are no faces to be found! And then the camera switches automatically to FlexiZone-Multi as designed. The lag can be easily avoided by setting the camera in the appropriate AF Mode before shooting, and thus could basically be considered user error.

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chj
By chj (2 months ago)

Well now that the video explained that it's the Face Detect that causes the lag, not the AF, it's obvious that you would want to switch it. It's not misleading, it's informative. If you hadn't seen this video, there's a good chance the first time you picked up a 70D, you would have said, "Wait, why did that take so long to focus? I thought this thing was supposed to be fast!" Then you would go through the menus, some trial and error and figure out, "Oh, it is really fast, it was the face detect that slowed it down." DPR would be amiss if they DIDN'T point this out.

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meanwhile
By meanwhile (2 months ago)

The example is pro-reader, not anti-Canon.

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dojoklo
By dojoklo (2 months ago)

Good point chj. And I didn't really think of it as "anti-Canon," but rather more as anti-common sense or anti-RTM!

It just came across to me as very curious, and not much different than if they had said "In the default Evaluative Metering mode, the camera does a poor job spot metering. However, if you set it on Spot Metering, the spot metering performance improves dramatically."

So, kind of accidentally disingenuous I suppose. I just think a clearer walk-thru and trial of the AF Modes, with how they are designed to work, would have been more informative and useful: Face-Detect (used with a face), then FlexiZone-Single (used to "spot" focus), then FlexiZone-Multi (used to let the camera pick the focus). (And Quick Mode to make use of the Viewfinder AF sensor but not the new Dual Pixel CMOS system.)

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appelpix1
By appelpix1 (2 months ago)

Yeah, it's all good for video shooters...
I was hoping to finally upgrade my 40D, but it looks I will keep it for another year or two. I don't really mind, I love my 40D...

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

That's a good idea in these uncertain economic times. If you are a photographer (and not a videographer) the 40D may be all you will need for some years to come.

10 Mp is actually sufficient for most photography needs. I have printed A3+ photographs from 10 Mp files.

All this recent technology improvement are more for video, touch screen functions etc. which does not matter much to the traditional photographer.

Good photography is about having the art of seeing what others don't.

It is better to buy some excellent prime lenses than the latest body.

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rrccad
By rrccad (2 months ago)

lol .. there's been tons better cameras in the canon line than the 40D .. while the 40D is nice ..the 50D, the 7D and heck even the 70D i'd choose over that.

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

Yes, you are right but the idea here is not to spend any more money on cameras. Since he already has a 40D just use it as much as possible.

We don't have to chase after every camera coming into the market.

It's no good for the seller but it's good for your pocket.

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Ronald1959
By Ronald1959 (2 months ago)

Ik have had a 40D for almost 6 years and it is a fantastic camera, but it is time to upgrade for me. Why not?

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white shadow
By white shadow (2 months ago)

With so many improvements, the 70D should be a good camera.

If money permits, why not? Afterall, you have made very good use of your 40D and with six years of use you must be very experience by now.

However, there are also many choices to choose. What about trying out a full frame DSLR?

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KW Phua
By KW Phua (2 months ago)

What next. Dual ISO on Dual sensors or more? More break through better or us.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (2 months ago)

How about tracking in LV? Thta's a relevant point if this system is going to be used on a ML system. A comparison with the best off-sensor tracking AF (Nikon 1) would be interesting.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (2 months ago)

@Shawn

You are doing a great job. I know we have all had complaints about how we wanted to see more tested. However, we also realize that it takes time to do these tests properly. I think you have done a good job so far.

My only suggestion would be that we would like to see these cameras tested head to head against each other. If you could get three competent people to line up with The 70D, a GH3, and one of the Sony cameras and shoot and film the exact same thing with similar lenses and realistic apertures it would be a huge help in our buying decisions.

Keep up the great work and I look forward to your future tests.

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petr marek
By petr marek (2 months ago)

Racing videos in bright sunlight with aperture between 9-11, when everything is in focus, are really awesome to judge autofocus performance! ...NOT.

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Ken Phillips
By Ken Phillips (2 months ago)

I wonder if they can take separate readings from each of the dual pixels to increase dynamic range?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

signal quality is lower for AF readout.

what dynamic range if each half gets light from different subjects? it's quite difficult to define the requirement.

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AstroStan
By AstroStan (2 months ago)

" take separate readings from each of the dual pixels"

That's the only way it can be done because that's how the detector is structured. The "half pixels" must be read-out separately - the information is kept separate for AF but is combined for the image.

This pixel combining does not increase dynamic range compared to a non-split detector because the photon collection area of the split pixels are only half of normal pixels. In fact it slightly degrades the image due to the added amount of read noise per virtual pixel. Reading 2 pixels instead of one produces 1.4x more read-noise (noise adds quadratically).

So this snappy AF in live view and video comes at a cost to still image quality (for dimmer conditions anyway - read noise is usually not significant for well lit shots).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

Ken Phillips might have been thinking of a Magic Lantern single shot HDR feature (at lower resolution) for 7D and 5D3.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/07/17/magic-lantern-firmware-expands-canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-dynamic-range

but since we get two different images of 20MP each, it may be easier to generate a lower image quality stereo 3D than an HDR image.

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (2 months ago)

They are light pixels and autofocus pixels. There aren't 40 million pixels that can be put together to make an image.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

we cannot readout twin-20MP images by default. there is a preprocessor chip to merge dual pixels so it may not be done by a simple software bypass but hope Magic Lantern will try and find a way to do it.

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jvkelley
By jvkelley (2 months ago)

Yabokkie, do you have a source for this information about the preprocessor chip? I didn't notice it mentioned in the DPReview article.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

> preprocessor chip to merge dual pixels

actually Canon say they developed a dedicated preprocessor for dual-pixel AF. it's my imagination that it also merges signals.

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20130809_610313.html

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SulfurousBeast
By SulfurousBeast (2 months ago)

DPR - Give it to us straight. Is the Canon Dual Pixel AF equal or faster than latest Oly (EM-5, EP-5) or Panny (GH3, GX7) cameras. Simple question, need a simple answer. If no, what needs to be improved. If yes, would consider an upgrade within Canon instead on changing systems.

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marike6
By marike6 (2 months ago)

This article has several videos showing the 70D AF speed in LiveView. Why not see for yourself?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

it's quite complex because AF speed got components of camera processing and lens driving lags (for example EF135/2L focuses faster than mZD75/1.8).

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Frederik Paul
By Frederik Paul (2 months ago)

High ISO quality seems to be very good, but to test the continuous AF in video mode needs some faster subjects, same you would use for normal AF.

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biancmb
By biancmb (2 months ago)

I would have loved to upgrade my 60D to the 70D, in order to gain more resolution and maybe a camera that has a better shutter-noise (one that does sound like a shutter, not like a lashed wiggly sole). But after your review (preview) I am really not convinced of the image quality offered.

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JWest
By JWest (2 months ago)

Just out of curiosity, what is a "lashed wiggly sole"?

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sunhorse
By sunhorse (2 months ago)

@JWest to answer your question:

It is a fish that is still alive and "wiggling" while being lashed with some strands of al dente noodles.

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DanCee
By DanCee (2 months ago)

I thought I'm the only one thinking that the shutter sound like that... other Canon model, and other brand has this nice pro shutter sound, while my 60D like plastic clap :)

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

what's better noise other than less noise?

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CarVac
By CarVac (2 months ago)

Personally, I like the decisive slap sound of the 60d, though it is louder than cameras like the D7000.

Better than the shutter-winding noise of Rebels, though.

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T3
By T3 (2 months ago)

A bunch of equipment nerds who get their jollies off of the sound of a mirror and shutter snapping. Woohoo! I think I felt that way about cameras when I was...16 years old! LOL. I guess some people measure their masculinity based on the sound of their shutter. I guess it's like gun nuts who think they want guns to survive some imagined impending apocalypse where they can be heroic gun-toting survivalists -- it makes them feel manly. Or people who buy a massive gas-guzzling SUV, even though they have no practical need for one. Again, it feeds their sense of worth and masculinity. These days, I want my cameras as quiet as possible. Or I'd want the shutter to go away entirely. A loud shutter and mirror sound just sounds anachronistic to me, like having a rotary dial on a telephone.

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Lensahand
By Lensahand (2 months ago)

The shutter sounds on my 550D and moreso my GF1 are pretty loud. What would be quieter alternatives (apart from a pinhole camera)?

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RedFox88
By RedFox88 (2 months ago)

Did you compare the test images of the 70D to the 60D through RAW? The 70D looks 1 stop lower noise than the 60D to my eyes.

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biancmb
By biancmb (2 months ago)

Why should still photographers be penalized by new technology? A new camera should take better pictures. Stills. They should make specific models for video. All manufacturers are just trying to make more money by targeting average users. Just admit it. Semi-pros and pros are being left behind. Most people do not even know what DOF is and cannot even use manual focus...

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (2 months ago)

Nobody forces you to buy, Vote with your wallet.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

as God why you only deserve a pair of video cameras.

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T3
By T3 (2 months ago)

What in the world are you talking about? Photographers have it better than ever. Better than any time in photographic history. And yet, some whiners continue to complain as is they are being forced to go back to using 1990's era digital cameras, LOL.

"All manufacturers are just trying to make more money by targeting average users."

Yeah, God forbid manufacturers actually try to "make money!" Well, with the camera market being decimated as fewer and fewer people are buying cameras these days, I don't think that's a bad strategy. If you can't take better pictures with today's cameras, blame yourself. I think "stills" photographers are being served just fine. So now they need to expand the appeal o their products beyond just those people who take "stills" photos. Why? Because they need to make freakin' money to stay in business, you fool!

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howardroark
By howardroark (2 months ago)

Having a DSLR that shoots video that even expensive HD camcorders can't match is a big selling point to many users. Stills aren't suffering because the truth is sensor technology advancement is plateauing. You can't expect a mature technology to stun you with amazing advances every six months like it did ten years ago. Perhaps stills haven't been the only focus of technology advancement, but there is a reason for it. Stills are already amazing from even APS-C sensors and most people don't even own lenses that can match their sensor. Having amazing video on a DSLR will sell cameras and even promote the capture of more stills by those who normally would not be motivated to spend money on a stills-only DSLR. Quit thinking the world only revolves around one use for a camera....that era ended the day solid state semi-conductor technology was used to record a digital image. If you want a stills-only camera, 35mm film is still being sold.

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Rad Encarnacion
By Rad Encarnacion (2 months ago)

@biancmb
Actually, there is a significant number of semi-pro and pro stills photographers not being left behind by advances in DSLR video technology.

You can easily find them...

...on Youtube, Vimeo, Lynda.com and Kelby Training.

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chj
By chj (2 months ago)

How are you being penalized? The 70D takes still photos and is priced competitively with similar DSLR's. You think you're paying more because it incorporates video technology? Probably not. Because it opens up a larger market, Canon can probably charge less than if they had to design, produce, market and distribute separate still and video cameras.

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