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Ricoh promises 'reference products' including CMOS 645D at CP+

By dpreview staff on Feb 5, 2014 at 22:00 GMT

Ricoh Imaging has announced it will be showing four 'reference products' at the forthcoming CP+ trade show in Yokohama, Japan. The company's Pentax brand has previously shown early prototypes of future models at the show. This year's products include a CMOS-based 645D medium format camera with tilting LCD, scheduled for launch in Spring 2014, along with an ultra-wide-angle zoom for the 645 system. Also on show will be a telephoto macro prime lens for the small sensor Q-mount system and a DSLR accessory for making digital captures from slide and negative film.


Press Release:

RICOH IMAGING to Exhibit Four Reference Products at CP+ 2014 Camera and Photo Imaging Show

Visit the Ricoh Imaging in Booth G-05 at CP+ in the Pacifico Yokohama Exhibition Hall

DENVER, CO, February 5, 2014 – RICOH IMAGING COMPANY, LTD. is pleased to announce the exhibition of four reference products at CP+ 2014, taking place February 13-16 at the Pacifico Yokohama convention center in Japan. Included in these reference products are a medium-format digital SLR camera, interchangeable lenses and camera accessories which are currently under development.   

Reference Products

1. Medium-format digital SLR camera

Model name (tentative): PENTAX 645D 2014

  • Latest, super-high-resolution CMOS image sensor
  • High-speed response in a variety of photographic applications
  • Tilt-type LCD monitor
  • Market launch scheduled for Spring 2014

2. Interchangeable lens for 645 mount digital camera

Model name (tentative): to be announced at  later time

  • Ultra-wide-angle zoom lens for use with the 645D
  • Newly designed optics optimized for digital imaging characteristics
  • Market launch: to be determined

3. Interchangeable lens for Q mount digital camera

Model name (tentative): TELEPHOTO MACRO

  • Unifocal telephoto macro lens (high-performance-series model) for use with Q mount interchangeable-lens digital cameras
  • Market launch: to be determined

4. Film duplication accessory

Model name (tentative):PENTAX Film Duplicator

  • Produces digital duplicates of silver-halide-film images in combination with a digital SLR camera and a dedicated flash unit.
  • Compatible with 35mm- and medium-format films
  • Market launch: to be determined

Notes: Model names, designs, specifications and market launch schedules of these products are all tentative and subject to change without notice. Prices of these products will be announced at a later date.

Comments

Total comments: 118
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (2 months ago)

So....did they follow through on all that?

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (1 month ago)

Don't all answer at once...

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

That is unexpected. I read that Sony had signed agreements to supply COMS sensors to Hasselblad and Phase One exclusively for 1 year. If the 645D with CMOS sensor is scheduled for spring release, it may be a money maker for Pentax, since the Hass and the Phase One are so darn expensive. Would like to see a mirrorless 645D in the future though All Pentax needs to make existing lenses compatible is to add an extensive tube of the appropriate length.

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

If it is indeed the same sensor, then Pentax has a major cost advantage. They have enough lenses to get going and introduce more as the market demand builds up.
I would not want to be a Hassy or Phase executive when the Pentax 645 ships. The cost gap will be too much and almost impossible to close. Can you imagine Hassy and Phase discounted to 30% of the original price just to compete.
All of this is of course dependent on Pentax delivering and at the $10K price.
We have to wait and see.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Here's a picture of the film duplicator (on the new 645D):

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/634/076/04.jpg

It's a bit larger than I expected...

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Gaëtan Lehmann
By Gaëtan Lehmann (2 months ago)

Tilt screen! Pro don't want tilt screen!
That and the touch screen from phase One...all these medium format makers have gone crazy ;-)

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

Actually pros do shoot with waist level finders a lot, not just because they can put the camera on a tripod, but because it puts the subject at ease when the photographer is not looking directly at him/her. The tilt screen is a lot like a waist level finder.

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

Anastigmat, Your point is right on. I was wondering why a tilt screen in a medium format. Your explanation makes total sense.

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waxwaine
By waxwaine (2 months ago)

Film duplicator is the propper way to think on classic film era, instead of those ridicules 21 century digital cameras with vintage customs for hippsters and nostalgic old shooters.

1 upvote
waxwaine
By waxwaine (2 months ago)

Seems that 135mm, aka FF, is not Nirvana anymore, ha?

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

waxwaine, you are right.

With Pentax K3 looking so good and Fuji kicking butt with their APS-c offerings, I guess full-frame may not be a big deal anymore.

I have a Canon 6D and a the Pentax K5IIs. I shot a recent assignment using both. I cannot tell the difference in the images in terms of resolution. Although Pentax has better color. 6D has the edge in high ISO (above 3,200) though.

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Donnie G
By Donnie G (2 months ago)

IMO, it would make no sense at all for Pentax to produce a 35mm based full frame camera when all they really need to do is keep polishing the capabilities of their excellent 645D medium format system. Sell to high end enthusiasts and pros at around $10,000 new, and leave it to the used camera market to acquaint other users, in particular, those who are thinking of investing in a 35mm FF model, with the image quality to be had from an affordable medium format system that handles as well as 35mm systems. In the Pentax world, leaping from APS-C straight to medium format could prove to be a competitive advantage that no other manufacturer can offer. Pentax just needs to get their 645D into as many hands as possible. Word of mouth will do the rest.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

Don't worry, Pentax is not going to market a full frame anytime soon. It appears they are listening to people like you. To me, a Pentax full frame is like a marriage proposal you make after your girlfriend has gotten married to some other guy, because Pentax won't make one until it is too late to make a difference.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

Pentax will introduce an FF camera as soon as overall FF market share reaches the double digit share of the overall camera market. FF market share is still below 10%, and is already crowded, for years already.
FF cameras do not sell that well at all. They are still expensive and less versatile. Maybe one day they will sell a bit better, but not yet. The whole FF bubble is overly inflated by loud enthusiasts and pixel-peepers, nothing more. The FF appeal is lacking still, it is not tentative, and a forceful push into the FF by deliberately diminishing the APS-C offer will have bad side-effects for the entire camera manufacturing industry.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Pentax just updated their lens-roadmap and added a 70-200. Since they already have a 50-135/2.8 and a 60-250/4 pro zoom for APS-C, it's probably a 70-200/2.8 and very likely an FF lens.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

As I said, if they wait until it is cheap enough that a lot of people can afford it, they have missed the boat. I noticed that they finally introduced a teleconverter, but it is also too late. 3rd party brand Pentax mount teleconverters used to sell for a lot on the used market. Pentax ignored that, and then they jump in after the market has cooled off. They missed the boat.

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

Anastigmat, you have two excellent points. I thought Pentax was always late to the party. They announced a full-frame a few years back when no one had one. But they never delivered it. Now as you said, it might be too late for an FF.

Pentax however, is in a unique position. They have APS-c DSLRs and a full fledged medium format. The key is that they are both competitive in term of quality in their respective spaces and "cheap" on top of that. Tell me they do not have a corner of the photography world that no one else is occupying. No wonder rumor mill has it that Canon is scrambling to get into the medium format world.

Hassy just took a Sony and re badged it to get into DSLRs. Albeit and expensive proposition.

I guess we have to wait and see. The game is just beginning to heat up.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

So, it supports 8K and 4K video too.
I would not be surprised; from day one, Ricoh admitted they would love to deliver 645D with at least 4K video capability.

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John
By John (2 months ago)

If this will be selling at 10k, then it will be a compelling proposition.

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gillamoto
By gillamoto (2 months ago)

the current 645D was launched with initial price 10k. and I believe the successor will be more affordable. maybe 8k?

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Couscousdelight
By Couscousdelight (2 months ago)

I don't expect a lower price than the original 645D : the new CMOS sensor must cost a arm...

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John
By John (2 months ago)

Ha! Wouldn't it be brilliant if it shot 4K video too. ;-)

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JohnEwing
By JohnEwing (2 months ago)

Wow.

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Artistico
By Artistico (2 months ago)

I'd love to see a proper MF mirrorless camera one of these days. Does someone remember Mamiya 6 and 7? Fuji 645 and 690? Very compact cameras that handled really well. I don't know so much about the Fuji ones, but my Mamiya 7 had some absolutely cracking lenses. I'm sure there must be a market for mirrorless digital MF cameras. If someone makes it cheap(ish) and makes them compatible with legacy lenses, and everyone will want one.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

I think that would be great, but I would be worried about how telecentric could one make such compact lenses. The light rays on edges of the sensor would be hitting it at an oblique angle.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

They wouldn't be as small but it might be easier to make retrofocus lenses (vs. non-retrofocus, Leica M type lenses) than to make a sensor that behaves well with a lens that sits right on top of the sensor.

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dmanthree
By dmanthree (2 months ago)

I shot a Mamiya 7II for a few years, and while I loved it, the transition to digital would be tough. The angle that the light hits the sensor in the corners might pose problems. Also, using the 7II as an example, the lens selection is limited with no teles save for a coupe of short and medium units. That said, I'd love to see it done.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

Actually, a lens maker does not have move the rear element closer to the film plane than they do now, because only a wide angle lens can benefit from that. The main advantage of removing the mirror box is the reduction of vibration by the moving mirror, which is always a problem with medium format cameras, especially the Pentax 67. The reduction in weight and bulk are its other advantages.

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (2 months ago)

WallahHallah of the cameras :)

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (2 months ago)

The film duplicator is going to support also medium format films, hurra! I really need that sort of accessories so that I do not have to send ALL of my films out for scanning even if mostly I only need decent pre-views (the good ones are then scanned with better quality of course)

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petrocan
By petrocan (2 months ago)

I have used that kinda of duplicator with a digital full frame dslr, the trouble is how to get uniform light.

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Cameron R Hood
By Cameron R Hood (2 months ago)

Cool

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Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (2 months ago)

I am really interested in the film duplicator, I have tons of old films that I need to be digitised.

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Photog74
By Photog74 (2 months ago)

There is a product shot at http://www.photographyblog.com/news/ricoh_to_showcase_new_mf_dslr_lenses_film_duplicator_at_cp/

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

If they price the 645D around $10K, it is going to put a major dent in Hassy and Phase One business.

I for one would save up for it for my landscape work.

If Pentax does not botch this one up and takes advantage of the momentum of the K3 buzz and the all the lens intros, they are going to rule the MF and DSLR world.

Can you imagine Pentax coming back from the dead. I for one wrote them off a couple of years ago based on their pathetic presence at WPPI, and their poor showing or lack of existence in any photo related shows.

Now they are back with a vengeance... Go Pentax!

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MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (2 months ago)

Having just had a lengthy hands on with an MX-1 in a store here in the UK, they deserve great things. Handling and image sharpness blow the RX100 away, handling in particular. And it's a year or two old. If they speed up the write times, add 50/60p video, and widen the lens to 24mm/(14mm equiv?), and even try a viewfinder, that will be the ultimate non APS-C street camera.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

They will rule neither. They don't have the lens line to compete with Hasselblad and Zeiss, nor do they have full frame MF cameras that Hasselblad has. They will keep scraping the bottom of the barrel along with Olympus in the DSLR world if all they have are APS-C cameras. As expensive as medium format digital cameras are, a pro can make more than enough from assignments to afford a Hasselblad.

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

Anastigmat, you have a point as far as pros go and the fact that they can afford a Hassy.

I am talking about the masses of Canon and Nikon and Sony owners that cough up $6,7 or 8K for a body to get a maximum of a 36MP sensor. The Pentax with a 50MP 645 can scoop those guys up which is the "mass market." Hassy will always have its niche fan and user base. Pentax 645 at $20k to include three decent lenses can easily justify its existence against a Hassy of the same specs reaching $50k+ price range.

What lenses do you need for landscape, studio product and portrait work? A wide angle, a normal and a tele or macro lens. If you had a couple of decent zooms, that would be a bonus.

I am going to see the camera at WPPI in a few weeks and check it out for myself. I have tried the current Pentax 645D. It is a clunker compared to any DSLR. But for pure image quality, it is in a different league. With the new camera, they have upped the ante.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Pentaxforums has pictures:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/news/pentax-ricoh-at-cp-in-japan.html

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (2 months ago)

New Pentax 645D 2014 also uses the 50MP Sony CMOS sensor !http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/53059031

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Pablom
By Pablom (2 months ago)

I've just begun waiting for the Chinese version of the film duplicator

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dynaxx
By dynaxx (2 months ago)

If any manufacturer is in a position to make a Medium Format mirrorless camera in the short term, it is Sony ; if they haven't been working on putting their 33X44 CMOS sensor in a reasonably sized body then I'm losing my touch. With increased production volumes for that sensor the costs must be falling.

With their Hasselblad connections they may even have been given the lens mount licence/spec ( I assume not sufficient coverage from the Minolta/ Sony Alpha mount lenses ) but would Hass'd view them as competition with the inevitable yawning abyss of price difference ?

Sony obviously don't see themselves in the same market and allow Hass'd's cloned Sony Nex/Alpha re-designs so this could be part of the collaboration.

Just speculating.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

I hope Sony makes a mirrorless medium format camera. Sony's partner Carl Zeiss has a full line of medium format lenses. All they need to do is just make some of them with a new Sony lens mount. Mirrorless full frame makes a whole lot of sense, because without the large mirror creating vibrations and without the weight of the mirrobox, a 6x7 medium format camera is viable, although Hasselbald lenses aren't designed for the larger format.

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (2 months ago)

Exciting times for medium format users these last weeks...

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Eric3456
By Eric3456 (2 months ago)

"DSLR accessory for making digital captures from slide and negative film."

Very interested in this one. Hope the price is reasonable. There are already plans on the net to do this but it will be much easier if there were a ready-made device to do it.

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technic
By technic (2 months ago)

I'm also interested if it is more than a basic slide/neg holder with diffusor, which you can buy on Ebay for $ 10 or so. It needs a good and short focal length macro lens that can handle 2:1 to 1:2 or so (for different sensor size and cropping) and a good diffuse lighting system to reduce grain and dust.

It's disappointing that there are hundreds of cheap 'slide scanners' on the market nowadays that all have pathetic or downright horrible image quality, and nothing that is really good (like the Nikon Coolscans) with decent price and speed ...
I'm currently using my DSLR with Durst color enlarger, macro lens and repro stand for slide/negative digitzing; the DSLR is tethered to my computer for checking focus, exposure etc. Works fast and with good quality, but the equipment is huge ;-(

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Eric3456
By Eric3456 (2 months ago)

I hope Ricoh gives some unfair advantage to its customers. If the adapter requires an expensive lens then it will not work for me.

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ethanolson
By ethanolson (2 months ago)

I'm excited to hear about the Macro for the Q.

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andy amos
By andy amos (2 months ago)

Would have been even more exciting to hear about a wide angle prime! My 5-15mm is great with 5mm used a lot. For that reason the 01 at 8mm never really hit my soft spot except for its tiny sizr.

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DrugaRunda
By DrugaRunda (2 months ago)

What's wrong with 08 mini zoom - ie 17.5mm start (FF eq)? looks like it performs rather well and the size is tiny.

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Cynog ap Brychan
By Cynog ap Brychan (2 months ago)

I bought the 08 yesterday, and my first impressions are that it is very sharp. I don't think I need a prime in this focal range now.

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Couscousdelight
By Couscousdelight (2 months ago)

It should be the new DXO killer.

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Ayoh
By Ayoh (2 months ago)

Looks like it might do video judging by the Mic and Speaker holes visible on the left side of the body

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/634/076/02.jpg

And the new zoom has built in stabilization too looking at the switches

Should be a really impressive piece of kit, and 1/2-1/3 the cost of the competition.

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Couscousdelight
By Couscousdelight (2 months ago)

I don't think so, there is no Video option on the mode selector, no dedicated video button...

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

There is mic input indeed, visible on both sides of the camera. Original 645D did not have them.

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645D
By 645D (2 months ago)

The green dot button on the back could be used for video. If it can do video, it would be even better than the 5D2 for shallow depth of field shots.

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bossa
By bossa (2 months ago)

"The (infamous) Green Button" on Pentax cameras is used for programable functions so perhaps video might be one of them with this camera.

On a K-5 one of the uses of "The Green Button" is to set auto-exposure in manual mode and, by pressing AE-L, you can then use a command wheel to adjust shutter or aperture with exposure locked. Pretty useful.

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mgrum
By mgrum (2 months ago)

@645D

It would not be better than the 5D2 for shallow depth of field, there aren't even any f/1.8 lenses available for the 645D, let alone the f/1.4, f/1.2 and f/1.0 lenses you can get for the 5D2

When it comes to shallow depth of field 35mm is king. Fast glass pretty much doesn't exist for larger formats so their depth of field potential goes unrealized.

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Voff
By Voff (2 months ago)

Shallow DOF like 1.0 to 1.4 is about 0.000001% of all images taken and most of them are useless or would have been improved upon stopping down. Low light imaging is the primarly use of ultra fast lenses.
Shallow DOF is the least of your problem when shooting MF which is why most MF photos are shot at F:11 to 22.

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Alizarine
By Alizarine (2 months ago)

@mrgrum

don't forget it's medium-format, with an even wider field of view than 135-format. Do you know how thin DOF will look like (due to increased field of view) if you put an f1.8 lens on a 44x33 sensor? The subject will look blurred silly, perhaps only the tip of the nose will be good enough to view.

I've tried a 645D with a 150mm f2.8 lens and wide-open it's hard to get both eyes in focus if the subject isn't facing the camera directly

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Paul the Sunman
By Paul the Sunman (2 months ago)

There is a suspicious blank gap on the mode dial; could be for video in the final version.

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mgrum
By mgrum (2 months ago)

@Alizarine

The 645D sensor is barely 1.2 times bigger vertically and 1.3 times bigger horizontally. So yes I do know how thin the DOF will be with an f/1.8 lens (which incidentally doesn't exist for the format), it will be like f/1.3 ~ f/1.5 on 135, something I'm very familiar with.

If you thought 150mm f/2.8 was shallow with the 645D you should try a 135 f/2 or 135 f/1.8 on 135...

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svesi
By svesi (2 months ago)

NO!
Depth of Field equivalent: 645 F/2.8 = 35mm F/1.6 or F/4 = F/2.3 .... http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/digital-camera-sensor-size.htm

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bossa
By bossa (2 months ago)

I was hoping for a mirrorless version to get the size down to a D800 or D4 but they've stuck to the previous format.

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/634/076/02.jpg
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/dcw/docs/634/076/03.jpg

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

Flange focal distance of the Pentax 645 MF system is some 71mm. That is more than an inch deeper than most 135 format DSLR mounts!
Therefore the design of the 645D isn’t as bad as mere wishful thinking would like us to fancy. In fact, the body itself is well balanced, and easy to handle.
Try once for yourself — it is easier to handle than D800.

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bossa
By bossa (2 months ago)

I have two D800E's but would consider selling for one of the new 645D's and a couple of lenses. I find my photographic needs have changed somewhat over the past couple of years and a 645D MkII might fit the bill nicely if it comes in at the old price.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

The camera is amazingly well-balanced and feels great in the hand.

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Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

@ bossa
I think that for the mirrorless version of medium format you should be looking at Sony. I am sure they have something in mind, especially this new CMOS medium format sensor is possibly made by Sony as all of a sudden Pentax, Hasselblad and Phase One announced CMOS med format bodies.

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Voff
By Voff (2 months ago)

Mirrorless would have reduced its market potential with about 90%. Mirrorless are less than 1/5th as popiular as DSLR's in the lower price brackets. At the 645D's sales point it is even worse.

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gillamoto
By gillamoto (2 months ago)

when I got the chance to try this camera 2 years ago, I was surprised by the ergonomic. it's really nice to hold. far better than gigantic Hassy.

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Tom_A
By Tom_A (2 months ago)

Remember the Fuji 6x45 rangefinders? I have an autofocus one (looks like a giant film compact) and earlier there were manual focus ones. Really fantastic results and so portable.
Imagine a near exact same camera with the big sensor in it, that would be awesome!

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645D
By 645D (2 months ago)

If the new 645D adds all those new features in the K-3, such as 200,000 shutter cycles, focus peaking, metering and focusing sensor, I don't see any reason to keep my Canikon system. Great move, Pentax:-)

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BNapa
By BNapa (2 months ago)

I am about to let my 6D go and start building on my K5IIs and FA limited lenses. I hate to sell my EOS mount Tamron 24-70 VC lens though. It is a gem but it has to go as well.

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Michael Perham
By Michael Perham (2 months ago)

Film duplicator is interesting.

I have a dedicated 35mm slide and negative scanner. Even after pulling up the software and setting up your parameters, it takes 4 minutes to scan an image. This would make it much easier and faster. I wonder if the duplicator has it's own optics along with the dedicated flash? And, it handles both 35mm and 645 ...interesting.

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dantonvb
By dantonvb (2 months ago)

I'm using a device like this since 2011. It takes 6 minutes to digitize 36 pictures. The thread in Pentax DSLR forum, with samples:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/38229810

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technic
By technic (2 months ago)

@ dantonvb:
I checked your thread but IMHO that only works well if you have a series of perfectly exposed slides, all with similar film and similar exposure conditions (color temperature) and relatively low contrast. With contrasty slides like Kodachrome this will be quite difficult.
Also, it's VERY difficult to get good results from color negatives this way, because you don't have any film profiles to work with. No way you are going to get good colors and tones with 'auto levels' or something similar.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

"Model name (tentative): TELEPHOTO MACRO

Unifocal telephoto macro lens (high-performance-series model) for use with Q mount interchangeable-lens digital cameras
Market launch: to be determined"

Finally - the first lens which actually can make the system useful.

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DrugaRunda
By DrugaRunda (2 months ago)

second, or even third; ie 06 and 08

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Rod McD
By Rod McD (2 months ago)

Interesting that there's no 'reference' product for an FF camera - DSLR or mirror-less. Pentax execs have stated since the Ricoh takeover that the company is considering FF development and there has been endless speculation about the concept since. I'm not sure what we can deduce from this........ A lot of people have been hoping that 2014 would be the year.......

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D1N0
By D1N0 (2 months ago)

photokina.

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KL Matt
By KL Matt (2 months ago)

And then at Photokina, it will be next "definitely next Photokina". At least, that's how the last 8 years have been.

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (2 months ago)

They've said in a bunch of interviews that their next MF should be mirrorless, I'm hoping that's what they're going to do. THAT would scare the pants off every other ff/mf manufacturer out there...medium format with the same quality as the latest-generation Phase/Hassy offerings at a size comparable to the D4 and D1X or even 5DIII and D800 — and a price less than the new 35mm "Hasselblad" single-lens translucent, nonetheless.

....
Sorry, just drooled on the keyboard a little.
On the other hand, if they pull the same "mirrorless" thing with the 645DII as they did with the K-01 (same mount and therefore size as before) I think they might miss a big opportunity. If Leica can break into the market so late with a limited line of lenses, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to change the mount to a 35mm-typical flange distance with adapters to provide compatibility to those with legacy glass.

Just my two cents.

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Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (2 months ago)

No, Pentax/Ricoh never said "that their next MF should be mirrorless". On the contrary, their Head of Business Development stated in an interview that for now, APS-C should be the largest size they would consider for mirrorless cameras.

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mgrum
By mgrum (2 months ago)

Now if they could build a MF mirrorless camera that could also be used as a digital back...

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Joesiv
By Joesiv (2 months ago)

Judging by pentax's only other mirrorless model, I'm not too keen on a mirrorless MF body... it'd be the same size as the mirror one and look really goofy

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (2 months ago)

Alex, they sure did. I would post a link to the full, translated interview but it's on that blocked site. You can still check it out here, though: http://photorumors.com/2011/12/17/pentax-is-working-on-a-mirrorless-full-frame-and-medium-format-cameras/

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falconeyes
By falconeyes (2 months ago)

IMHO, the current batch of Sony-based CMOS 33x44mm cameras creates some pressure esp. on Nikon to move upmarket from 35mm full frame. The smaller medium format CMOS sensors may soon become cheap enough and fast enough to threaten cameras of the caliber of a D4x.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

The Pentax already does. I've seen it for $6000. Cheaper than Nikon's top cameras.

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zorgon
By zorgon (2 months ago)

Am I the only one who wants to see a full frame GR?

I'd want something like the sony RX1 but with the ergonomics of the Ricoh GR and much more compact f2.8 lens. It was possible with the film GRs of old so why not digital?

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Edgar Matias
By Edgar Matias (2 months ago)

Don't care about full frame.

Would much rather see more focal length options (40mm-e and 90mm-e) and perhaps faster lenses.

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CarVac
By CarVac (2 months ago)

I'd rather it be weather and dust resistant.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

Yes, it is weather and dust resistant.

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CarVac
By CarVac (2 months ago)

Is it? I was referring to the GR.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

Tilting screen, same image processor and AF as the K-3 DSLR?
Dual SD slots? Weather sealing too? Perhaps even video recording, using some fantastic MF glass?
Sounds delicious. If they pull out video somehow, this will be awesome!

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DDWD10
By DDWD10 (2 months ago)

What if the ol' 645D gets the same fire sale closeout deals that other Pentax's usually get? Ohh baby!

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

Or, if they keep the ol' available at a half the price (some $3000-ish) for a long while.

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Richard Schumer
By Richard Schumer (2 months ago)

To DDWD10 & Zvoni --

My thoughts exactly. I *was* about to spring for a K-3 with Sigma's delicious zoom, but, if firesale prices apply, I might get a chance to use my 645 lenses on a digital MF body.

I don't care about CCD vs. CMOS; it will be for landscapes.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

wrong place, please delete

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Michael Perham
By Michael Perham (2 months ago)

I don't know that video is of much value in this format!

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mgrum
By mgrum (2 months ago)

If you want high quality video, get a video camera. The "fantastic MF glass" wont offset the mangling that results from subsampling the 50MP sensor down to something that you can encode in realtime.

There are plenty of "fantastic" lenses for video.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

CMOS sensor in 645D... no one has any idea who manufactured that ;).
This should be a bargain medium format if it has the same imaging performance as phase one or HB.

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dosdan
By dosdan (2 months ago)

I'm sure you're joking.

But for general information: the Sony 50GB sensor as used in the Phase One IQ250 Digital Back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvEEB7GYbY0

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

I know. I was being sarcastic...

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DStudio
By DStudio (2 months ago)

The question is, will Capture One support it? They'll probably be reluctant to, because given a comparable lens, they can probably pull results out of it comparable to their own IQ250. And Capture One's very good at getting the most out of a camera, but this could be too close for comfort.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

They probably won't, but maybe DXO will work out the usability issues (such as real time update during editing...) and become a worthy contender for a time pressured protog.

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E.J.
By E.J. (2 months ago)

Since Pentax cameras are able to shoot in DNG format and C1 supports DNG, it should process the files.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

E.J. you would think so. In reality, I have run into trouble trying to process K-30 DNGs with a Capture One 6, which was not officially supported. The colors were shifted beyond recognition and there was no easy way to fix it.

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JoEick
By JoEick (2 months ago)

Sounds like a potentially awesome landscape kit!

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Brigcam
By Brigcam (2 months ago)

PENTAX Film Duplicator-

Anyone else make this?

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D1N0
By D1N0 (2 months ago)

They're working on it in China. On ebay in two weeks.

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Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (2 months ago)

Depends on how much it automates film handling. "Slide duplicator" attachments have been around since the 60's.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

I'm curious how the "combination with a digital SLR camera and a dedicated flash unit" will work.

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dantonvb
By dantonvb (2 months ago)

I'm using a device like this since 2011. The thread in Pentax DSLR forum:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/38229810

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Petroglyph
By Petroglyph (2 months ago)

Tilting LCD on MF. It makes excellent sense to me. Also an ultra wide 645 lens. I wonder how many $$$ for that one.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

I would assume it would be around 10k like the last one. No need to increase the price since the sensor used will be in some other products and thus should be cheaper per unit. Unless, of course, they introduce some expensive features.

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Voff
By Voff (2 months ago)

$5000 +

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D1N0
By D1N0 (2 months ago)

645D (II) coming as expected. Same sony cmos sensor as Hasselblad and Phase One.

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offertonhatter
By offertonhatter (2 months ago)

Innovation from Pentax. A Tiltable LCD screen for the next Gen 645D. I like the idea.

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