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Nikon announces development of D4S professional 'HD-SLR'

By dpreview staff on Jan 7, 2014 at 02:01 GMT
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Nikon has announced it is working on the D4S which, like the D4, it describes as an 'HD-SLR.' Details are extremely slight, with the company promising a new image-processing engine and improved autofocus performance. All further details, including price and announcement and availability dates will follow later. Above are some pictures of the camera on display at the CES trade show in Las Vegas. 


Press Release:

NIKON’S NEXT GENERATION PROFESSIONAL FLAGSHIP D-SLR TO BE SHOWN AT 2014 CES PRIOR TO OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT

MELVILLE, NY (January 6, 2014) - Nikon Corporation is preparing for the release of its next-generation flagship model, and has announced the development of the Nikon D4S HD-SLR. The camera will be on display, before its official release, at the Nikon booth (#14916, Central Hall) at the 2014 International CES show from January 7-10, 2014 in Las Vegas, Nevada.

As Nikon's new flagship model, the D4S will offer advances over the Nikon D4 HD-SLR camera, including enhanced image quality enabled with adoption of a new image-processing engine. The new HD-SLR will also feature more advanced autofocusing performance, further solidifying it as the choice for professional sports, nature and event photographers as well as photojournalists.

The D4S represents a concentration of Nikon's advanced camera development technologies and legacy as a leader in imaging. The D4S will further expand the possibilities for professional photographers who demand the best possible performance and image quality in challenging environments. The Nikon D4S will build upon the success of the acclaimed Nikon D4, a camera highly regarded for its speed, unrivaled low-light ability and amazing image quality that made it the choice of professionals and advanced amateurs around the world.

Further details regarding the Nikon D4S, including announcement date, availability and suggested retail price will be announced at a later date.

Comments

Total comments: 149
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RPac
By RPac (2 months ago)

Will the new Nikon D4s bring us what we want?

http://rolandpache.com/blog/will-the-new-nikon-d4s-bring-us-what-we-want/

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ptiet
By ptiet (3 months ago)

Why does pro uses these gear when they are keep telling us that good photographer is independent of expensive gears.

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RPac
By RPac (2 months ago)

Good gear makes life easier as a photographer, but it doesn't improve your technique.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (3 months ago)

Sounds good, Nikon, based on the model name this baby might be able to take high definition still pictures as well, so cool!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

What like the 18MP Canon 1D X?

Dynamic range is more important that having more pixels--something Sony hasn't learnt.

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Alwynj
By Alwynj (3 months ago)

Just because you call yourself a leader doesn't make it so. Canon is bigger, sells more and therefore they are the leaders. Also, the 1dx has proved to be ahead of the d4 when it comes to AF speed and that is important to sports/ action photographers

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Canon sells more DSLRs than Nikon?

Canon sells more 1DXs than Nikon sells D4s?

Nobody is particularly complaining about the AF speed of the Nikon D4. And AF speed depends on the lenses used too.

Then no one is going to get rid of $30,000 in Nikon equipment because one system may or may not be a tiny bit better. (And here it's not clear that the 1DX is better at high ISO lowlight shooting than the D4.) And of course the reverse is true, no one is going to get rid of $30,000 in Canon equipment because the Nikon system performs a tiny bit better in one respect.

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km25
By km25 (3 months ago)

Frist Firewire is/was just fine. I think these camera makers are running out of ideas or they can only have half baked ones.
Just had flash, why not make a camera that uses a material that has light sensitive chemicals that after a process produce an image. Call it "Retroimaging".

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michael19843
By michael19843 (3 months ago)

Good idea. D4 owners can now sell their camera on ebay and be disappointed with the new D4S with its 4k feature no-one will ever use. A bit like those FireWire ports on the old Mac's

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (3 months ago)

Hey, don't knock it. That's how I got my D3 for half price the same month the D3s came out - a pro upgraded to the latest and greatest, and I got back into FF/SLR photography.

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Vegasus
By Vegasus (3 months ago)

Hi, I am just hoping the new D4S will have no problem with " Sensor Dust ". If sensor dust occurred, then have free sensor cleaning for few times; or replace sensor for free at least once and fine details at high iso/low lights.

so..
1. Dust free
2. If dust occurred, then d4s owner should have free sensor cleaning service for a few times/free replacement.
3. Sharp and crisp at low lights.

I hope it'll make sense...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

All DSLRs occasionally have dust on the sensor.

Does the D4 have some especially big, and not widely reported, problem with dust on the sensor?

I shot about 600 raws with the rental unit that I used and didn’t note dust, but it was early in that body’s life and I stuck with one lens.

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JPR.lda
By JPR.lda (3 months ago)

I find all of his so ridiculous.
I mean Nikon announcing development of D4s.
Of course they are developing it and the D4X and D5 and D5 and D5s and D5x.
Why is everybody excited about this?

But where are the features that make my work easier.
Like connectivity, special firmware, open RAW format and above all SUPPORT!!!
I have no support in my country (Portugal)

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (3 months ago)

Wondering about the D4s specs? Look no further, K.R.'s patched directly into Nikon's development division. His "review" is already up with the present tense predominating.
"I usually set my D4s down to its Medium or Small resolutions to speed up my post processing."
That's how Ken works of course... and they supply him with special versions incorporating a saturation setting that goes right up to 11.

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Mac Photography
By Mac Photography (3 months ago)

Yeah, as much as I have liked K.R. in the past, his "D4s" review is nothing more than a few changed words in his D4 review. Go check it out. It's sort of funny actually. So not sure how accurate the specs are considering it's not a "new" review.

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photoad
By photoad (3 months ago)

Hoping: Finally 16bit+ RAW, could be even higher if they use multiple RAW's taken simultaneously. Either by using the full pixel count or a subdivision, lower resolution greater dynamic range.

But as the 4s' are speed monkeys then something like the performance of the 1 series might be coming. i.e. 30 x RAW /s

Definitely 4K, they have already stated that the 1 series cameras are 4k capable so this is a no brainer.

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tinternaut
By tinternaut (3 months ago)

4K video perchance?

Edit: Assuming I'm not even more behind the times than i thought, when it comes to moving pictures.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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JK5700
By JK5700 (3 months ago)

I have learned to wait for the 'S' version when buying hi-end Nikon cameras (D2xs, D3s, D300s). So having skipped the D4 as it did not offer that great an upgrade over the D3s, I am awaiting further details with great expectation.

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Lea5
By Lea5 (3 months ago)

So were the D3 owners thinking. Skipped the D3s and went directly to the D4, like me. :) Next stop D5.

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Jogger
By Jogger (3 months ago)

It pretty much depends on where in the product cycle you entered. The "s" models were always incremental updates, not, completely new bodies meant for upgraders of the non-s models.

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zidliyka
By zidliyka (3 months ago)

Well since the opening is with an S and HD-SLR I believe the obscured emphasis will be on that.

D3S on top of D3 brought High Iso + video.

Perhaps less noise, 60P/50P Full HD, easy RAW out or even a hackability to get 4K may sound tempting move for videographers. I guess Nikon has to have some sort of Magic Lantern type partner/entity like Canon does.

And on stills D4S may mean full frame af possibility, more dynamic range, better iso performance and higher fps, higher buffer.

3300 comes without an OLPF so D4S may have an adjustable OLPF for more options for stills/video pro use.

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PixelMover
By PixelMover (3 months ago)

Well, first look shows that the main selector switch and the sub selector switches have been redesigned, so it is not just a letter S added to the outside.

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LukeDuciel
By LukeDuciel (3 months ago)

Honestly, I do not really feel D3S and D4 is that better than D3.

D3 was a really good camera and Nikon has not delivered anything significant since then.

(D800 is rather a sensor miracle than the body itself. and for that, Sony is probably the one who owns the credit).

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Lea5
By Lea5 (3 months ago)

Different feeling here. My D4 is a ten times better than my old D3.

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Shifty2031
By Shifty2031 (3 months ago)

My D4 isn't 10x better than the D3, but it is better in a few ways. The autofocus kicks in much faster and responds quicker, it's slightly better at higher ISOs and has a better dynamic range at lower ISOs. On the downside, the D4's build quality isn't as good as the D3. A 2 foot fall destroyed my first D4 and my D3 before it survived much worse than that

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Lea5
By Lea5 (3 months ago)

If my D4 drops and can't work with it on the set, Ill take my second one. As an NPS the cam will be replaced pretty fast. I don't worry much ;-)

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tongki
By tongki (3 months ago)

I don't know a camera were made to be thrown or fall and when survived judge how good a camera not from the camera performance

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Guy Swarbrick
By Guy Swarbrick (3 months ago)

It's difficult to put a number on the accumulation of a few huge and many incremental games, but, yes, 10x feels about right from D3 to D4.

1 upvote
D-Man67
By D-Man67 (3 months ago)

I wonder if this one blocks third party lenses from working as well.

7 upvotes
Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (3 months ago)

All I read is: blah-blah-blah. Note a bit of information.

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new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

D4 is already speedy for sports, so what's the D4s bring? Is it even speedier? (that's what the "s" is for, right??)

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new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

Never mind, obviously it's a D3 to D3s improvement.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

n.b.

The D3 to D3s improved high ISO performance a good bit.

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englishfil
By englishfil (3 months ago)

Until Nikon deliver some more hard facts I would suggest the only demonstrable 'improvement' the D4s has could be achieved by adding the appropriate letraset transfers to an existing D4. As announcements go it is merely confirmation of an open secret.

I am guessing that Nikon will be tweaking algorithms until the Winter Olympics, and possibly beyond. Much better to let a chosen few NPS members find the bugs, with the option of reverting to the ancient and clearly inferior D4, than risk another left focus/ oil spots/ elf infestation debacle. Would be nice to know if it had any more pixels/different card slots though - surely Nikon cannot still be running multiple candidate chassis this close to Sochi??!

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HBowman
By HBowman (3 months ago)

I keep "elf infestation " :p

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RBFresno
By RBFresno (3 months ago)

I wonder if the D4s will use a CF slot and an XQD slot like the D4?
I've been surprised by the lack of DSLR's with XQD slots. I believe the D4 is still the only DSLR with an XQD slot, though there are now video cameras with XQD slots.

I think I'd choke if the D4s came with a battery and charger that were incompatible with the D4 (similar to my reaction when i realized that my D3 battery and charger were incompatible with those of the D4!).

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Guy Swarbrick
By Guy Swarbrick (3 months ago)

I think it's a good combo, but I could live with two XQD slots...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

RBF:

I believe the battery changed from the D3s to the D4 because of an environmental regulation in Japan, though I don't have details.

Also CFast cards have finally been announced. CFast cards can be made to perform as fast, or faster, than even XQD cards, and CFast is non-proprietary. Just saying there's another option besides XQD now.

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thecouchguy
By thecouchguy (3 months ago)

I wonder if they fixed the video (crappy compared to 1dx).

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Lea5
By Lea5 (3 months ago)

they fixed the crappy video a long time ago with the last firmware. since then video is very good.

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Anstup ID
By Anstup ID (3 months ago)

Nikon.. Canon.. I still waiting for Pentax full frame or some new 645D m2, keeping my K-5 with Sigma 35/1.4 in hand...

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OBI656
By OBI656 (3 months ago)

Is this is that highly anticipated HD Canon camera coming actually from NIKON ? I am confused ... LOL ... This camera market place is getting funny at least ...

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (3 months ago)

How about a 60mp 4Ds for those shooting at 100-400 ISO primarily?

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io_bg
By io_bg (3 months ago)

The D4x will supposedly have higher resolution than the D4/s.

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rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (3 months ago)

There won't be a D4x.

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Zvonko
By Zvonko (3 months ago)

ridiculous that Nikon thinks this is an upgrade

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aaronchuck
By aaronchuck (3 months ago)

What's ridiculous?? Nikon hasnt even stated any upgrades so theres nothing to insult about their thinking.

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Zvonko
By Zvonko (3 months ago)

there are rumours which suck

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attomole
By attomole (3 months ago)

How about D4K?

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

Now, D4s or Samsung WB2200something? They look the same...

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Lea5
By Lea5 (3 months ago)

As a D4 (and D800E) owner I don't see a reason to upgrade. The D4 is still a fantastic camera to me. I will wait for the D5.

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Zograf
By Zograf (3 months ago)

DPreview didn't bother to fully review D4, finally a chance at least to do it for D4s.

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Photowyzard
By Photowyzard (3 months ago)

Did anyone read the part about "details are sketchy" before throwing the baby out with the bath water?

:)

Chill Negativos! Wait until the full disclosure before you burn down the Village.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (3 months ago)

sounds like a D4.10...... but the D4 had no dust problem .. right?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Think the objection was to the oil, not dust so much.

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Spectro
By Spectro (3 months ago)

Nikon updates their camera periodically. S is for features, new or improvement. X for a new sensor. If both it is a new number for the pro models. Consumer models are updated more regularly. I guess u know this, just acting as a fan boy again.

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ScottRH
By ScottRH (3 months ago)

I also think the D700 is outstanding, and too bad Nikon has not replaced it. But good to see this D4S announcement !

Comment edited 7 minutes after posting
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The Andy G
By The Andy G (3 months ago)

The D700 has one frame per second faster performance than the D800. Apart from that, it's a worse camera in every way. It's bigger, heavier, a single card slot and a 95 per cent viewfinder. You're looking at the D700 through rose-coloured glasses.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

The D700 has been the most trouble-free camera I've ever owned and I don't know anybody who's had a problem with theirs, either. I wonder what's in the D700 that makes it weigh more than the D800.

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EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (3 months ago)

camera gnomes

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yslee1
By yslee1 (3 months ago)

D700 can do 8 FPS with the MB-D10 and non-EN-EL3e batteries.

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iainlea
By iainlea (3 months ago)

When i read this announcement i just get the feeling that Nikon is truly missing the big picture. Own a D4, D700, and D300 and of all the cameras Nikon hit the sweet spot with the D700 (and D3/D3S at that time). Ended up going with a D4 as the D800 just did not fit my studio/location work and workflow system as well.

I need a flexible "tool" that integrates with all my other tools todo my job as quickly and efficently as possible. Basically you capture light and convert it to binary data. That works OK. Give me 24mp, more AF points and cleaner high-ISO. All I need from the oldschool camera requirements.

What I NEED and will look closely at on my next purchase is CONNECTIVITY. I am not going to pay 5500 Euros for a body again unless you can give me multiple connectivity options AS STANDARD. Do not reinvent the wheel. Stuff a SoC running Android inside that does WLAN (802ac), Gbit port, NFC, GPS and maybe introduce a branded tablet with a set of useful apps.

Samsung are closing...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

As I’m sure you realize that wished for 24MP would sacrifice both high ISO noise control and more important to many, dynamic range, then there’s the whole fast writing of files thing. So maybe in 8 or 10 years there’ll be a full framed body from Nikon with that many pixels which preserves those very important qualities.

Yes, Samsung, and their lens maker Optro,n should be taken real seriously. But as you know Samsung is not doing full framed DSLR substitutes today in early 2014. And there's the repeated buffer problem.

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (3 months ago)

@Howaboutraw.. the D800 matches the D4 for high ISO and has more DR so your theory doesnt fly...
I already had a D4 and sold it,great camera but i found the resolution too low for the money,if the D5 has 24mp i will almost certainly buy one.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Scopius1:

Nope, the D800 does not, and I have the raws to prove it.

Above ISO 8000, the D800 has big deep shadow cyan and magenta blotching problems--much more serious than noise. The D4 doesn't have those problems at ISO 25,000, though banding is starting to be a problem.

Even the D610 is better at high ISOs than the D800. You also missed the point about the D4's dynamic range above base ISO, whereas the D800 has dynamic range failings above base ISO.

So you know not of what you write. There are 2 Canon bodies which are close to the high ISO performance of the D4--the 1DX and the 6D, but then the Nikon Df betters the D4.

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javaone
By javaone (3 months ago)

HowaboutRAW What you say really really interest me. Are you comparing D800 down sampled to 24MP or 36MP vs 24MP?

I have assumed a D800 down sampled would be better than a D610.

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Scorpius1
By Scorpius1 (3 months ago)

@HowaboutRaw... I'll agree to disagree,I have a D800E,had a 1DX for six months (Sold it due to banding and noise) and had my D4 for about 6 months too,the D800 file is excellent and when down sampled its definitely better than the D4,I had no problems with cyan in shadows and the noise is s finer grain like noise on the D800 compared to the D4..

The D4 is only worth the money if you need speed...

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The Andy G
By The Andy G (3 months ago)

>Above ISO 8000
The D800's last real ISO is 6400, so less than stellar performance at ISOs past that are not surprising since anything beyond that is effectively post processing.

My suspicion is that it's probably more effective to shoot the at 6400 and then work the image post than shoot with the pretend ISOs above 6400. If you must spend a lot of time above 6400, then clearly the D4 is the way to go.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Scorpius1:

“Downsampling” only “works” to reduce noise significantly if you toss, “downsample”, something like 80 percent of the data, in others words halving an ISO 18000 tiff from a D800E is not going to get you the lower noise of the ISO 18000 file from the D4.

Downsampling does nothing to remove cyan and magenta blotching, which is a problem with the D800 above ISO 8000.

In other words down: Downsampling for good NR is mostly a myth. And yes I’ve tried it with all sorts of settings in PhotoShop CS6.

Look I think the D800 is an excellent camera, but it has image quality limitations that the D4 and Df surpass. And more megapixels get in the way of IQ in many instances.

I’m less familiar with the Canon 1DX.

@The AndyG:

Right.

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yslee1
By yslee1 (3 months ago)

If you guys are just taking DXOMark's figures as your basis, please read the whole graph - the D4 is indeed better at high ISOs. You can see the DR dropping fairly evenly with each ISO increase, whereas the D4 doesn't start as high but curves down far slower.

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Lea5
By Lea5 (3 months ago)

Sorry Scorpius1, but it is not true what you say. I own the D4 and D800E (both first batches) and it does NOT match the high ISO of the D4. Not at all. I will never go past 3200 with the D800E. I use it just in good light and studio controlled light. I use the D4 for almost everything.
I agree with some things iainlea mentioned.

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iainlea
By iainlea (3 months ago)

Why of why does such a potentially useful discussion simply degrade to a d800 vs. d700 vs. d4 blabla iso is better and a 24mp sensor would not work IQ wise in the D4?

How old is the D4? how fast do sensors and I/O pipelines to manipulate that data improve... i would say fast enough BUT that was not my main point i wanted in my post above... 24mp would be a nice to have in a D4S/D5 but what I NEED and a lot of others is easy connectivity built into Nikons Flagship product to get the images to where they are needed asap in an easy todo manner! whether that is my server in studio, to a customers tablet sat on the sofa paying for the shoot or an editor in another country.

Put a connectivity module as standard into the flagship and for me sell it as an option inside the extern battery grip which would have enough space for a SoC android solution and connect it via the DIN connector. That would also allow them to upgrade older cameras and then tie it into backend cloud/private storage.

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OBI656
By OBI656 (3 months ago)

Just because it did not "pleased" your studio does it means that NIKON miss the train ? I don't think so ...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

iainlea:

The D4 was announced Jan 6, 2012.

Nikon and Renesas are not going to announce what's in the pipeline for sensors 6 years in the future. Perhaps if you had a PhD in the subject and went to sensor conferences you could make a reasonable guess, but no one is going to be explicit with that information.

A 24MP sensor for the D4s is a preposterous request, and you likely know that.

Connectivity may indeed be there. Still moving a couple of gigabytes of data is not going to be a five minute thing over wifi.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

yslee1:

No, I'm going by raws I've shot, DXO sensor scoring is useless.

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Horshack
By Horshack (3 months ago)

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52645323

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iainlea
By iainlea (3 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW - now i know why i so seldom participate in forum discussions.

16mp to 24mp @10fps - why is that so preposterous? just take a look at RED and what they are doing with their hw/sw combo upto 60fps. Stop looking at just one vendor and a set of sensors coming from Sony.

Moving data via Wifi - that was _1_ connectivity option. For reference look at what is being announced product and chipset wise for 802ac this week at CES among other places ie. mimo upto 1700mbps so would expect realworld 30-40% of that thruput. Moving data in a controlled location ie. studio i would tether it (i did also mention Gbit wired connectivity in my original post).

You can keep on writing here what is possible in your eyes but iso/fps/mp figures will not make me part with 5500 euro in a future purchase. My current d4 is ok for that but i expect more connectivity for my money in my next nikon purchase.

Shame no discussion started concerning an upgrade connectivity module in the battery grip...

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JamesVo
By JamesVo (3 months ago)

Not a professional shooter like some of the posters here but my experience with WiFi has been that it is currently too slow for effectively transferring large image files. A wireless solution must be compact/internal and it must be faster than transferring cards to a reader or connecting a cable to the camera after/during a shoot. Newer faster protocols will emerge during the long working life of this professional camera. Do you prefer to hobble it with current WiFi technology or have a future-proof solution in the form of plug-in modules that can be updated? Agree with @iainlea in this regard.....a robust cost-effective connectivity solution will definitely help to sell it.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

iainlea:

Yeah 24MP with those performance characteristics is too much too ask in 2014 for less than several million dollars. And you know that. What you seek may exist in a lab somewhere, but it also has to be put into production cost effectively and that’s a huge point you miss. Then the faster processor for the camera body would also have to be put into production cost effectively.

Okay, I did miss the point where you wrote “Gbit network”, at least you understand that moving that much data over wifi would only occur in a limited set of circumstances. Anyhow you don’t know that fast connectivity isn’t part of the D4s.

continues:

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

iainlea:

I’ll assume the Red camera shoots at least 16MP raw stills, and at upto 60FPS for an hour, and the images are nearly noise free at ISO 12,800–frankly all unlikely. More like it’s an 8MP sensor, there is noise above ISO 1000, and raw shooting has limitations–like needing a big external data recorder. But hey, buy one of those Red cameras if it does what you want.

Frankly you have no idea of what I think is possible for data transmission or better imaging. However there are limits to what is possible and reasonably inexpensive to build with the tech Nikon can have. This will slowly change. The D3s’ sensor was a better sensor anyhow; I’d much rather see that coupled to a new processor.

Why did you bring up Sony sensors? The D4 does use a Sony sensor.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

javaone:

Can't say much about downsampling a D800 file to the size of a D610 file though could try it. One thing is that with the D610 the cyan and magenta blotching starts at a higher ISO than with the D800, so downsampling the D800 file isn't really going to rid the file of that mess.

Any how downsampling doesn't really work, except if you're going to downsample, toss, 80 percent of the data.

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Tom Nokin
By Tom Nokin (3 months ago)

Steps of imrovement with all recent releases are getting smaller. Cameras remain competetive in image quality and features for a longer time. And even more important: needs for improvement also become smaller. This will extend camera cycles. I used my Nikkormat Ftn for 20 years, my F 801s for 10 years, my D200 for five, and now I expect to use my D800 again for more than five years. At least I am still using almost all of my old primes.

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JPR.lda
By JPR.lda (3 months ago)

Where is WIFI?????
Nikon is still milking the cow the same old way.
Where are the new features?
I will not upgrade my D3s until Nikon makes something that makes my work easier.

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The Andy G
By The Andy G (3 months ago)

What feature do do you want? Should the camera make toast?

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chrisunplugged
By chrisunplugged (3 months ago)

I don't think it's asking a lot for a new, high-end camera to launch with Wi-Fi.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

It needs a phone.

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mikeoregon
By mikeoregon (3 months ago)

I'd like to be able to operate my Nikon from a tablet to have a better live image view, and to have smarter controls that respond to a particular scene or task. For example if one shoots HDR, one has to remember to lock in all the adjustments to maintain consistent frames; why can't a camera figure that out for itself?

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The Andy G
By The Andy G (3 months ago)

WiFi built in adds something that ages the camera quickly. The D3X has been around since 2009 and is still a current camera. I think that WiFi is less problematic in consumer cameras that have short life cycles and are sold in specific regions. The D3/D4 have very, very long life cycles. Moreover, there are different frequency requirements in different regions which is why the WiFi products you buy in different parts of the world are so labelled. Building that in to a pro camera means it can be less functional when travelling than plug-n module.

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Kuvasauna
By Kuvasauna (3 months ago)

There is always room for AF improvement. Good AF is the most important feature in cameras like D4. Give us more sensitive and faster AF with also better outer AF points. If the improvement is significant then improved AF alone could be enough to choose D4s. Improve high ISO and DR and it gets really interesting.
D4s will be about improvements, not real changes. If D4s improves AF, ISO and DR which to me (aside from great ergonomics) are the most important qualities in these cameras - I'm tempted to upgrade.

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The Andy G
By The Andy G (3 months ago)

The outer AF points are always going to be a problem because of the angle of incidence. Still, maybe the Nikon engineers have found a way of either enlarging the AF area or spread out the cross-point sensors out from the centre. I suspect the latter is easier, mind you.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Kuvasauna:

"Good AF is the most important feature in cameras like D4", um at high ISOs, say above, 12,800 the image quality results are better with the optically superior manual focus Zeiss lenses.

So that statement is only true in limited circumstances and not all circumstances in which the D4 is very useful.

Yes this means that so called good Nikon lenses can't keep up with good Zeiss lenses for image quality.

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fPrime
By fPrime (3 months ago)

I have to chuckle at the introduction... "The camera will be on display at the CES trade show, so we'll try to get some pictures of it, as soon as we can."

Can't wait to see the pictures of it, DPR! What are the odds that it will look exactly like a D4?

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Martin Grecner
By Martin Grecner (3 months ago)

Here are the pictures:

http://www.cameraegg.org/nikon-d4s-images-now-available/

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fPrime
By fPrime (3 months ago)

Thanks for the links to the pictures, Martin. The D4s looks exactly like the D4 as expected but your sarcasm meter might be slightly off. lol. ;-)

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

Check out the way Nikon Australia is introducing the camera at Nikon Rumors. The slogan? "I am coming". You cannot make this stuff up.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (3 months ago)

Yawn. At least increase the buffer, put it on par with the 1Dx. Or increase the FPS, put it on par with the 1Dx. Or just do something to it except adding a few software algorithms and a new proccesing unit. Who is going to want to upgrade for that.

And excuse me, but I saw some samples at high ISO from the DF and I did not find them particularly good .. I think there is plenty room for improving the ISO performance.

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Colin46
By Colin46 (3 months ago)

Increase the buffer to be on a par with the 1dx?

I believe the buffer on the 1dx to be around 35 raw shots? The d4 is already 120 raw shots with my 180mb/s xqd cards. Clearing this buffer takes around 6 seconds and the d4 can do it all again which is amazing. Shoot jpeg and the buffer is limited by your card size. Does anyone really need a buffer bigger than that and if so what the hell are you shooting?.

The 1dx might go higher in iso but it's really noise and the shadows are terrible with lots of colour noise. The d4 has really clean iso

Is there really any point in increasing frames per second. I suppose spray and prey photographers need all they can get.

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nicolaiecostel
By nicolaiecostel (3 months ago)

I was talking about specs, not needs. Releasing a D4s some time after the 1Dx and still not matching it;s specs is not that fantastic. On the buffer size, I must say I didn't check the specs, I just saw videos of both being shot together and the 1Dx took noticeably more shots in succesion. Might be a Qual/Card type/speed difference.

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lensberg
By lensberg (3 months ago)

Considering the Canon 6D's noise control is on par with the D4 all the way up to max ISO... it would be highly improbable that the 1D-X would lag behind...

D4 only has the edge in dynamic range... but as far as low-light goes, the 1D-X looks as clean as the D4 ... but produces sharper images and seemingly preserves slightly more detail...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

lensberg:

It's a bit of stretch to say the Canon 6D matches the high ISO performance of the D4. The 6D is good, but not that good.

The raws I shot with the 1DX couldn't really keep up with the D4 either, but my D4 shooting was done with a Zeiss lens so further testing would be in order.

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lensberg
By lensberg (3 months ago)

@ HowaboutRAW - To be honest I've never owned either the D4 or 1D-X ... my only real exposure to both these cameras has been due to the fact that my friend manages a photo studio and has both these camera's... Even here my time spent with both camera's has been somewhat limited...

My amateurish testing was conducted with the D4 being fit with an 85mm f-1.4G and the 1D-X with 85mm f-1.2L II ... And after about 100 shots from each camera plus examining them at 100% the Canon was definitely cleaner / sharper from ISO 12800 + ... It may be due to the different lens's being used... but they are both so good, one can't pick a clear winner...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

lensberg:

I haven't done enough testing of the Canon 1DX to be sure that the D4 bests it above ISO 12,800. Though I have shot with the D4. Mostly I'm more impressed by the colour of good Canon lenses than what are called good Nikon lenses, so that 85mm f/1.4 Nikon may have been working against the Nikon. (Here come the shrieks of those who think that lens the best.)

And better lenses help at higher ISOs, so does better raw extraction software, and remember I was using a Zeiss lens on the D4 so that lens' help may have been what put the D4 over the top in my estimation.

Anyhow I've no objection to those who think the Canon 6D and 1DX very good at high ISOs, my objection is to those that say the Nikon D800 can equal the high ISO lowlight performance of the D4/Df sensor.

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new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

Nikon version of 1Dc. A bit late, don't you think?

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Rocker44
By Rocker44 (3 months ago)

They don't mention video in the article.

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webrunner5
By webrunner5 (3 months ago)

It says HD. That has to have something to do with Video. 4K probably.

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Red G8R
By Red G8R (3 months ago)

No. They also referred to the D4 as HD-SLR in the same statement.

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samfan
By samfan (3 months ago)

I'm wondering, isn't this the first time Nikon pre-anounced something? I don't remember them ever doing it.

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new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

They teased us with the DF. It wasn't worked well.

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Cyrille Berger
By Cyrille Berger (3 months ago)

It is most likely because "mass" production is late, while the journalists that are going to use it in the Olympic Games are already getting their pre-production samples, so the chance of a leak happening was getting too high.

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yslee1
By yslee1 (3 months ago)

Nikon D70, when Canon were cornering the market with the EOS 300D.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2003/12/03/nikond70

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new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

Thanks for the info yslee.

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Nikon2011
By Nikon2011 (3 months ago)

looking forward for the D5X (5 is already past)

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jerry367
By jerry367 (3 months ago)

How about D5C, and D5S

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Nikon2011
By Nikon2011 (3 months ago)

maybe i'll just go for the GoPro 1

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horned
By horned (3 months ago)

I'm waiting for the DF2 :-)

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saralecaire
By saralecaire (3 months ago)

Well that didn't take long, just like that the D4 is yesterday's news. Nikon sure knows how to screw it to their customers.

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blurredvision
By blurredvision (3 months ago)

Don't worry, your D4 doesn't magically quit working as soon as the D4S is released. ;)

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AshMills
By AshMills (3 months ago)

No chance that he has one. I expect he has a Pentax.

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88SAL
By 88SAL (3 months ago)

What a rediculous comment. Releasing frequent updates is screwing their customers? What do you want exactly? To wait longer for the same thing so others who would be buying now or in the near future cant have the latest because you dont?

I agree, D4s doesnt make your D4 any less capable... If you even own one. The only real 'screwing' has been the D600/D610 incident, even then my problem with that is the service attitude as opposed to the fact they upgraded the camera.

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Horshack
By Horshack (3 months ago)

Let's get ready to get ready.

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Jake64
By Jake64 (3 months ago)

I am going to make predictions: 24 MP sensor, either more focus points ,more cross type or both. Slight body modifications, faster FPS.

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PixelMover
By PixelMover (3 months ago)

No, then it would be called a D5 or such. Since they call it a D4s, it is very likely to have the same 'buffed' 16mp sensor unit as the Df.

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Jake64
By Jake64 (3 months ago)

That makes sense! I guess we will know in a few days.

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Teila Day
By Teila Day (3 months ago)

I would say expect 16mp, a deeper buffer, maybe a FPS speed bump that will be more academic than mind-blowing, perhaps new processing engine (like they did with the D2hs) and a host of other internal electronic tweeks that don't involve the photographer.

Look at the D70/D70s, D300/D300s, D2h/D2hs, D2x/D2xs and D3/D3s comparisons and you'll get an idea what to expect unless Nikon goes "off the reservation" and surprises everyone... ((chuckle))... don't hold your breath on that note.

I think usually the "s" models are cameras that benefit new buyers buying into that particular model number for the first time, the most.

One thing for sure, just seeing a new pro body from either of the big two will be something neat/interesting to peek and poke over and read all about.... Someone go wake Canon up, the more products/lenses to read about the better ;)

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thx1138
By thx1138 (3 months ago)

In what world would one call a 16MP camera a HD-DSLR, that sort of gives it away. Seriously there is only one sensor going in the D4s.

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FujicaST605
By FujicaST605 (3 months ago)

And also N8008/F801 and N8008s/F801s, N90 and N90s.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Teila Day:

Think Nikon will add quiet shutter to the D4s?

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FujicaST605
By FujicaST605 (3 months ago)

They had to preannounce as they will be spotted at the olympics.

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Zvonko
By Zvonko (3 months ago)

this announcement isn't an announcement

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Red G8R
By Red G8R (3 months ago)

The D4 is also referred to as an HD-SLR so 4k is not a must.

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Treeshade
By Treeshade (3 months ago)

At least, Nikon announced something useful, unlike the other big company.

But wait, the other big company already has a 4K capable flagship...

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AshMills
By AshMills (3 months ago)

Hands up who watches 4K?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Hands up who can point to a cable TV system, or satellite system, capable of getting shows/events shot in 4k to your home?

In other news 1080 HD TV over cable or the interwebs is already highly compressed.

Wonder if the D4s can out put raw 4k capture, then of course what would edit that raw video?

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utphoto
By utphoto (3 months ago)

It's not a matter of how 4K can be delivered now, 4K programming is being archived for the future. 1080HD (1125/60) was being archived almost ten years in advance of the digital implementation being released to consumers. Programmers won't wait till the last minute to start shooting 4K, even if you don't watch it for another ten years...and it won't be that long...two years max, there will be affordable 4K camcorders.

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Cipher
By Cipher (3 months ago)

I guess HD means 4K video?

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Kris in CT
By Kris in CT (3 months ago)

Must be a typo, looks like they pressed an "S" instead of "00" .. Someone had to say it....

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BillGarrett
By BillGarrett (3 months ago)

I'm with you, Kris. I saw the list of Nikon announcements and noted the lack of a D400. They could still come out with one during CES, but if they don't I think time for patient D300 owners to cut bait.

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Donald Chin
By Donald Chin (3 months ago)

Just curious, how much you're willing to pay for your APS-C D400 when the market is flooded with FF DSLR @ $1500?

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Kris in CT
By Kris in CT (3 months ago)

2K plus. I only shoot birds. I switched to the D7100 in the interim because the sensor is that much better than the D300. However everything about the D300 is better in terms of handling, buffer and speed. I would love a D7100 sensor in a D300 type body. Really it's quite simple, many of us crazy birder types would pay a lot of money for a tool that is optimized for what we do....

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Donald Chin
By Donald Chin (3 months ago)

But I'm afraid the majority will not pay more than $1200 for an APS-C DSLR, I strongly believe D7x00 series is already the flagship of Nikon DX DSLR.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Kris in CT:

Why are you bringing up an APSC body in this discussion?

You have every right to ask for a faster buffer in some thing like the D7100, but why here?

What's the buffering like on a Canon 6D or is the AF not good enough? How about the D800E for birding that has a fast buffer and good AF.

Then there' the Pentax K3, seems to have a faster buffer than the D7100--maybe not quite the AF speed.

Then there be mirrorless options like the Olympus EM1.

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Matei H
By Matei H (3 months ago)

I see that they redesigned the little joysticks on the back. personally I nver had a problem with them, but a lot of pro photographers have complained about the build quality. The look more like Canon's now, but slightly larger.

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