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Zeiss announces Touit 50mm F2.8 Macro for Sony and Fujifilm mirrorless

By dpreview staff on Jan 30, 2014 at 12:26 GMT

Zeiss has announced an addition to its Touit family of lenses, in the shape of a 50mm F2.8 Macro. The Touit 2.8/50M is designed for mirrorless cameras with APS-C sensors, and will come in Sony E and Fujifilm X mounts; with an aperture ring on the latter. With an angle of view equivalent to 75mm on full frame, it offers 1:1 magnification for close-up shooting.  Like the other Touit lenses it includes autofocus, but no image stabilisation. It will go on sale in March 2014 with a recommended price of EUR 755 (excl. VAT.) or US$ 999 (excl. VAT).

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Touit 2.8/50M - A New all-around lens broadens the Touit family

Zeiss Touit 2.8/50M in Sony E mount. As with other Touit lenses, the X-mount version has an aperture ring.

The macro lens ZEISS Touit 2.8/50M for compact system cameras also shows its strengths in portraiture

OBERKOCHEN/Germany, 30.01.2014 - More and more photographers are taking advantage of the growing possibilities afforded by compact system cameras with APS-C sensors. With the Touit 2.8/12 and Touit 1.8/32, ZEISS already offers two lenses with E- and X-mount that suffice in meeting the demands of ambitious photographers. Now, the new ZEISS Touit 2.8/50M expands the Touit family to include longer focal lengths as well as close-up coverage. 

The Touit 2.8/50M offers a magnification power of 1:1. As a result, the photographed object appears on the camera sensor in its original size. Details that cannot be seen with the naked eye become impressively visible at short shooting distances. This new Touit is therefore following in very large footsteps: ZEISS macro lenses with a magnification power of 1:2, such as the Makro-Planar T* 2/100 and Makro-Planar T* 2/50, have already established themselves as top macro lenses among SLR lenses.

Thanks to its moderate telephoto focal length, the Touit 2.8/50M is also perfect as a portrait lens. When allowing for a crop factor of 1.5, the angular field corresponds to a full-frame-equivalent focal length of 75 mm. Here, too, the lens’s enormous versatility pays off. The lens covers distances from infinity to a magnification power of 1:1. The Touit 2.8/50M is a versatile lens that harmonizes very well with the flexible application of compact APS-C system cameras. Its imaging power makes it an ideal choice for close-ups and portraits.

The Touit 2.8/50M also employs the floating elements design from ZEISS. This enables the lens to achieve a consistently high imaging performance, including up to the minimum object distance (MOD). The exceptional image quality remains consistent, independent of the focus setting. Two aspheres – lens elements number three and four – deliver an important contribution to the high image quality. Two additional lens elements with low dispersion – lens elements number two and nine – help ensure that the lateral and longitudinal chromatic aberrations are kept to a minimum.

A round iris with a total of nine blades gives areas of the motif outside the focus a soft and very natural-looking character. Focused objects before a blurry background are clearly accentuated, creating a harmonious and balanced bokeh. Excellent sharpness along all f-stops rounds off the performance spectrum of the Touit 2.8/50M.

“The new Touit 2.8/50M is for photographers who already use our other two Touit lenses; it’s the ideal complement to their portfolio. Owners of APS-C system cameras with Sony E- or Fujifilm X-mounts who are looking for a new high-end lens will also want to use the Touit 2.8/50M. Whether a photographer has an eye for the smallest details or likes sharp portraits and pleasing bokeh, our new all-around Touit will definitely be at the top of their wish list,” says Dr. Michael Pollmann, Product and Program Manager from ZEISS Camera Lenses.

The Touit 2.8/50M with E and X mount will be available worldwide in March 2014. The recommended sales price will be about EUR 755 (excl. VAT.)* or US$ 999 (excl. VAT)*.

* Status as of January 30, 2013

Zeiss Touit 2.8/50M specifications

Principal specifications
Lens typePrime lens
Max Format sizeAPS-C / DX
Focal length50 mm
Image stabilisationNo
Lens mountFujifilm X, Sony E (NEX)
Aperture
Maximum apertureF2.8
Minimum apertureF22.0
Aperture ringYes
Aperture notesFujifilm version has aperture ring, Sony version does not
Optics
Elements14
Groups11
Focus
Minimum focus0.15 m (5.91)
Maximum magnification1×
AutofocusYes
Motor typeMicromotor
Full time manualUnknown
Distance scaleNo
DoF scaleNo
Physical
Weight290 g (0.64 lb)
Diameter65 mm (2.56)
Length91 mm (3.58)
Filter thread52 mm
Hood suppliedYes

Additional images

Zeiss Touit 2.8/50M in Fujifilm X mount
Zeiss Touit family in Sony E-mount Zeiss Touit family in Fujifilm X-mount
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Total comments: 164
OBI656
By OBI656 (2 weeks ago)

You wanna see the quality ? Then check this link ::: http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/fashion-and-make-up-shots-with-the-new-zeiss-touit-50mm-macro-lens/?fb_action_ids=10202395227296872&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

0 upvotes
RStyga
By RStyga (2 months ago)

Another inexpensive, superb cost-benefit offering from Zeiss for the portability-constraint DSLM market. Only that it is not.

0 upvotes
Ashley Groome
By Ashley Groome (2 months ago)

Compared to some of the Nikon lenses I have to schlep around (the 14-24 is a perfect example), the Zeiss Touit lenses are a breeze to carry.

0 upvotes
Astound
By Astound (2 months ago)

What is it with Zeiss and huge tin can sized lenses? I know the quality is generally very good, but these are for small mirrorless cameras. If I needed that absolute degree of quality, I'd use a dSLR anyway. Do they need to be so big?

0 upvotes
jaygeephoto
By jaygeephoto (2 months ago)

Generally macro lenses don't make great portrait lenses; they tend to be too sharp - who wants forensic detail in a portrait anyway? It's not so much a question of focal length or magnification as portrait is a loosely defined term at best. Camera to subject distance has has much to to with perspective (elongation or foreshortening) of the foreground, main subject and background and the photographer's relationship to the subject.

1 upvote
Ashley Groome
By Ashley Groome (2 months ago)

Yes you are right, but you can shoot the subject via a softening filter, or if the subject is a real ug-mo, you can always use a brick wall of a lead screen.

0 upvotes
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (2 months ago)

C'mon Zeiss. Crank out a few more Otus FLs.

1 upvote
rrccad
By rrccad (2 months ago)

yes please :)

0 upvotes
ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (2 months ago)

same price with zeiss 55F1.8 FE lens,,,which is the almost sharpest lens ever...this is a way too expensive lens.

1 upvote
captura
By captura (2 months ago)

- and ZEISS once again fails to offer stabilization (OSS SonySpeak) for these lenses. Forget it!

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

Zeiss doesn't fail anything that they don't have business.

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0 upvotes
88SAL
By 88SAL (2 months ago)

Man you people want everything spoon fed to you. OSS on a short macro prime?

7 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

image stabilization should help a lot for a short macro. the question is if OSS can do the work as well as EF100/2.8LIS.

0 upvotes
km25
By km25 (2 months ago)

You do realize that a 50mm lens is a 75mm lens in the Land of APS-C.

1 upvote
B-rad
By B-rad (2 months ago)

50mm at $999.00 to do macro? I can see many insects leaving town with how close you will need to get to get a good close up of something small. What a joke.

1 upvote
ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (2 months ago)

completely agree with you...with the price tag, it should have been 100mm at least...

0 upvotes
Rick Knepper
By Rick Knepper (2 months ago)

How do you explain the Canon 50mm macro, Sigma 50mm macro, Sony A mount 50mm Macro & Zeiss 50mm Makro?

4 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

75 mm equivalent is not that short, and not all macro subjects are mobile. Plants and inanimate objects, for example.

0 upvotes
rrccad
By rrccad (2 months ago)

equivalency has no bearing it's working range.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

Canon 50mm macro is a very different lens. for other "wide angle" macros they are more like a cecum leftover from history.

0 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

Zeiss sure does like that $999 price. They put in on everything.

3 upvotes
ijustloveshooting
By ijustloveshooting (2 months ago)

nice catch!

0 upvotes
offertonhatter
By offertonhatter (3 months ago)

DP review, are you sure the price status should be 30th January 2013?

0 upvotes
hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (3 months ago)

These are great for Sony NEX (damn, shall I call them Alpha now) cameras but look a bit out of place on Fuji's X cameras - design doesn't really match.

0 upvotes
_sem_
By _sem_ (3 months ago)

So what is the free working distance at 1:1?
MFD 150mm - length 91mm - flange distance 18mm = 41mm, I guess (I assume it does not extend)

1 upvote
SteB
By SteB (3 months ago)

Yes I think you've got it right. This is what I've used to work out the working distance of newly announced lenses, and it usually gets you within a mm or so of the actual official figure announced later.

The MFD of 150mm indicates that this lenses dractically reduces its focal length at close focus distances, which is not unusual with this type of IF lens. This has advantages and disadvantages. It gives lower MFD but means that the same length of extension tube gives more magnification. It's a pity this lens is so long because a MFD of 41mm is a bit limiting. If it was closer to 60mm this would be much better. The Sigma 50mm f2.8 macro, which is an extending lens, has a working distance that is only 2mm less.

0 upvotes
AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (3 months ago)

Looks like a nice and interesting lens.

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Esign
By Esign (3 months ago)

Get a standard lens from the mainstream brands and step it down to 2.8 and you will see very good performance. And AF, AE. If you want an accurate watch, get a Casio, but if you want a less accurate luxury timepiece, get a Rolex. There's something for everyone.

1 upvote
Valiant Thor
By Valiant Thor (3 months ago)

Why does Zeiss come up with strange lens names that are hard to pronounce?

1 upvote
quezra
By quezra (3 months ago)

I don't think there's anything Touit.

9 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

for they are made by yet another Japanese maker.
Cosina Zeiss, Sony Zeiss, T-something Zeiss,
the naming is quite standard.
the first part means quality and the second premium price.

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (3 months ago)

It's quite sad to see that many readers here have obviously no idea of what quality Zeiss lenses are in the past and today. I don't know how Zeiss got the reputation for so people to sell (summarized) "fugly overprized German crap", when pretty much the opposite is the truth. These comments can only come from people who never used ANY Zeiss product.
I for myself chose the Sony Alpha System ONLY for the ability to use Zeiss autofocus lenses! I'm aware that non of their lenses are "cheap", but for the performance I get I'm always satisfied and I never felt I had been tricked by them and paid too much. All of their lenses are designed to be used wide open and to deliver outstanding contrast and color, not seen in any other lenses you can buy for money today. Every single lens they make has that state of the art performance that we are always asking for, unbelievable how people ignore can ignore that by just looking at a product picture and some numbers.

7 upvotes
Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (3 months ago)

Here the link to the award the touit 12mm 2.8 wide angle lens won last year

http://www.zeiss.de/C1256A770030BCE0/WebViewTopNewsAllE/5D6AFF1508C2B2F2C1257BBE0034FF92?OpenDocument

0 upvotes
rrccad
By rrccad (3 months ago)

zeiss has also created bad lenses to .. just because it says zeiss on it doesn't mean the lens is worthy of the name.

28mm distagon is horrid in the corners (as one example of a zeiss crafted lens which is very sub par) - and has puzzling has been that same way since contax days.

the sony/zeiss 24-70/2.8 is nice - but i wouldn't call it the best one out there either.

Vario Sonnar 16-80mm f/3.5-4.5 Zeiss / Sony isn't anything to write home about either.

no one outside of quantray makes a bad 50-100mm macro - so needing zeiss quality of some sort in this range .. is well... you're simply paying for the name.

now if this was a 21/2.8 distagon or a 135mm APO .. well different story.

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nofumble
By nofumble (3 months ago)

Zeiss T* 180/2.8 was a horrible lens too. I had to return.

1 upvote
jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

Not all zeiss is good optics.

1 upvote
AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (3 months ago)

Don't worry and don't be sad. The (real) pros who know Zeiss (from experience) are out there taking epic pictures while the assorted nerds, geeks, and armchair "experts" are screaming their heads off on the internet, or bidding up somebody else's unwanted crap lenses on EvilBay.

5 upvotes
Emacs23
By Emacs23 (3 months ago)

Sony ZA lenses are hardly real zeisses. In fact, it is only zeiss badge, nothing over that.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

@emacs

That's what you want to believe yourself to give the lens your overpriced tag?

0 upvotes
itsastickup
By itsastickup (3 months ago)

For portraits it's not long enough and the aperture isn't big enough.

And it's not long enough for macro either, other than document copying.

I really don't get this lens.

2 upvotes
Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (3 months ago)

Have you used it yet? You think Zeiss really don't know what they are doing with the "limited 150 years of experience" they have compared to you?

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

but Zeiss don't have that experience any more for photographic lenses.

0 upvotes
Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (3 months ago)

And you yabokkie only have more experience than anyone else in trolling the internet

14 upvotes
calking
By calking (3 months ago)

Enough of this nonsense about 50mm being "too short" for portraits. Someone making this claim is NOT a true portrait shooter!!! Environmental and full-length portraits are OFTEN shot with 24mm / 35mm / 50-60mm glass....I shoot my 50mm in abandoned buildings and small spaces constantly. Whoever said that the "only" suitable length for a portrait lens is 85-200 is an idiot.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

50mm on APS-C and 77mm f/4.3 equiv. for comparison.

1 upvote
HBowman
By HBowman (3 months ago)

I'm Zeiss User since years and own some good glass. I'm sorry, my Lord, if I chocked you \0/ but this whole trout and whatever name calling line is out of my mind...

Hell !! The Hassy Lunar is based, at the start, on a good intention too.

Price performance wise go get the Sigma DN art 60mm f2.8 for $100 or, if fuji, stay in fuji world. Fuji lenses are just excellent.

Zeiss is not what it used to be.

Edit: wanted to answer above post ... my bad :p

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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_sem_
By _sem_ (3 months ago)

What don't you get about a common "short macro" lens? There is one such in most lens lineups. Indeed they usually have short working distances @1:1 (5cm to 10cm) and do not produce as much relative background blur as longer macros.
Notice the total lack of really wide-angle macros around 28mm(FF)/18mm(APS/C) or wider, that would produce quality images with the perspective of P&S macro modes - I assume 1:1 is infeasible at such wide angles.

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rrccad
By rrccad (3 months ago)

sure, usually short macro's in a lens lineup aren't 1K USD either.

0 upvotes
itsastickup
By itsastickup (3 months ago)

"Enough of this nonsense about 50mm being "too short" for portraits. Someone making this claim is NOT a true portrait shooter!!! "

Yeah, right.

You're talking about environmental portraits, for which 50mm equiv is the sensible starting point, and then wider from there. And for which there are already such lenses.

But this is a longer lens than that and yet not close enough to 85mm equiv for head-n-torso shots without too much face distortion.

So as a 'portrait lens' rather than a more general purpose lens, it falls short.

0 upvotes
blue27
By blue27 (2 months ago)

Zeiss lenses are the best

0 upvotes
Kirk Bruner
By Kirk Bruner (3 months ago)

Has there been a problem with the rebadged Minoltas in current Sony livery? I've never read any complaints from users of the Minoltas or the newer versions of them. Of course, those are A-mount lenses and the adapter on a NEX makes them a big lump on the camera, but for macro use, does that really matter?

1 upvote
SelfMotivator
By SelfMotivator (3 months ago)

A 50mm slow lens f/2.8 for $US1K, damn. Fuji 56mm f/1.2 sounds like a sure winner.

Edited: I did not see MACRO so no comparison. Fuji 60mm f/2.8 macro is only $US650, a much better reached focal length if I shoot macro.

Worthless for me anyway :).

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flipmac
By flipmac (3 months ago)

It is a "Zeiss" so it is expected to be expensive but the price is steep for a macro none the less. Makes the Oly 60/2.8 weather proof macro look like a bargain at $400.

0 upvotes
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (3 months ago)

Now everybody listen to my impersonation of a famous DPR commenter:
'It is really a 75mm-f/4.2 lens. Manufacturers are such cheaters.'
Thank you ladies anf gentlemen.

14 upvotes
HDF2
By HDF2 (3 months ago)

We must be talking about our good friend yak blow me, sorry, meant yabokkie.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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Abaregi
By Abaregi (3 months ago)

Is that not correct if compared to the light hitting a FF sensor?

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

my number is 77mm f/4.3. the factor is calculated from the min object field of 23.5x15.6mm2 given in the spec:

sqrt(24 * 36 / (23.5 * 15.6)) = 1.5352

2 upvotes
HDF2
By HDF2 (2 months ago)

See, I told ya.
The guy is like a moth to a flame.

Now, if we could only get him to get closer...closer...just a bit more...a little more...come on, just a bit closer...

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

> not correct if compared to the light hitting a FF sensor?

the spec 77mm f/4.3 equiv. is correct in all and every aspect for a photographic lens, from light gethering capacity, depth of field, down to diffraction limited resolution.

the only error comes from using of focal length and f-number instead of solid angle and aperture area, especially for standard to wide angle lenses, but that's standard industry practice.

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raimundo gaby
By raimundo gaby (3 months ago)

When are we going to see a Zeiss full frame macro lens for the A7R?

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

This year according to the Sony roadmap. Of course, from Zeiss you will only have their licensed brand and insane price tag.

0 upvotes
rrccad
By rrccad (3 months ago)

1K USD sounds overkill for a CWD macro such as a 50mm 1:1 is.

macro's aren't rocket science and this seems to be you paying for the name on the lens versus the lens to a gross degree.

no one makes a bad macro and most sub 100mm are far cheaper - heck most 100mm macros are cheaper than this. and probably just as good or better especially from a functionality and usability point of view.

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7 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (3 months ago)

Wow, that's great! You can now start making 50mm 1:1 macro lenses yourself and make some quick buck!

14 upvotes
joejack951
By joejack951 (3 months ago)

The Zeiss 50mm f/2 MP full frame lens is almost $1300, manual focus only, and only goes to 1:2. It's supposedly a remarkable lens but that's a hefty price tag when you can get a Nikon 60mm f/2.8 Micro with AF that does 1:1 for $550.

4 upvotes
rrccad
By rrccad (3 months ago)

gee i don't know everlast .. maybe instead i'd use the canon EF-S 60mm macro, or the nikkor 1:1 40mm macro, or the nikkor 60mm macro, or the 100mm variants .. as a comparison that maybe it IS possible to create a 1:1 macro around 50mm without much of a problem. but i guess in your desire to try and convince people that you are smart with sarcastic remarks - common sense and reality is generally lacking from you.

1 upvote
PicOne
By PicOne (3 months ago)

How well do any of those Nikon lenses work though on Fuji x-mount or Sony Nex? Isn't this what this lens is targeted at?

0 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (3 months ago)

rrccad, it's a free market, there are passengers for every train. I agree Nikon and Canon have the best balance between price and quality and this is why they are so profitable. But this dosen't mean there shouldn't be other brands chasing perfection resulting in an excessive product cost (for normal customers). Some people value solid metal build and buttery smooth manual focusing and mony are not a problem.
And if you mentioned the 40mm Nik then you could mention the beautifully built, optically excellent and cheap Pentax 35mm/2.8 Limited Macro with built in hood.

2 upvotes
photogeek
By photogeek (3 months ago)

Good thing I didn't sell my 60mm f/2.8 Nikkor D when I got off Nikon. AF is useless at close macro range anyway.

2 upvotes
John C Tharp
By John C Tharp (3 months ago)

Phase detection is largely useless at macro distances approaching 1:1, but note that these cameras also have sophisticated contrast detection that most DSLRs thoroughly lack.

Besides, a 50mm macro lens on a crop camera is going to get a lot of use at non-macro distances where AF is quite useful. These lenses usually have qualities that other normal lenses lack, such as a general absence of field curvature.

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MikeF4Black
By MikeF4Black (3 months ago)

Probably an excellent lens for the dying breed of APS-C shooters, that started out shouting "I don't want to lug around a huge full frame dslr!" , and have now come to realize that quality entails a certain size and weight.
Get on it guys!

1 upvote
BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (3 months ago)

"recommended price of EUR 755 (excl. VAT.) or US$ 999 (excl. VAT)"

$999 / 1.328 (average exchange rate in 2013) = 752.26€

No $=€ pricing for once?

Comment edited 41 seconds after posting
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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

Germans. They already included their overpricing from the start.

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5 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (2 months ago)

Well, but this lens will actually cost € 900 in Germany including 19% VAT. I'm not sure if you purchased it over the internet in the US whether you'd have to pay sales tax or not?

0 upvotes
slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (3 months ago)

Glad to see more Zeiss for mirror less cameras, but I personally think that longer focal length like 80mm (or even more) would have been more useful for a macro lens.

4 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

it may not be designed for practical use in the first place.

3 upvotes
Iskender
By Iskender (3 months ago)

yabokkie: Do you know a lot about practical use?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

one for "wide angle" macro lenses was for document copies and people used to use them a lot before we have copy machines.

the standard 100mm macro lenses are still not long for near life size macro but longer ones are more difficult to make.

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Gesture
By Gesture (3 months ago)

Great idea, but build looks like every other contemporary lens. No lens should cost $1,000.

3 upvotes
Ben Ramsey
By Ben Ramsey (3 months ago)

If you don't buy it, it won't cost you a dime. ;)

11 upvotes
calking
By calking (3 months ago)

....and nothing to whine about!!!

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

I'm sure this is great but I wish Zeiss would focus their lens design efforts on lens types that are pretty bad, like wide angle zooms. Creating a sharp macro lens seems like a very low bar.

5 upvotes
Nukunukoo
By Nukunukoo (3 months ago)

Oh why didn't you guys even go at least F2.0?

4 upvotes
hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (3 months ago)

I guess being a macro lens it's fast enough, you'd use it at around f/8 anyway or not?

7 upvotes
jnd
By jnd (3 months ago)

That would go against the compact and light ideals of mirrorless system.

1 upvote
LeitzKameraAktion
By LeitzKameraAktion (3 months ago)

Why could an f2 lens not be compact and light? Ever heard of the Oly 45mm f1.8? Small, light, and VERY affordable, with great IQ! True, having a close-focus point of 0.5m, it's not a real Macro lens. But, for most normal photographic situations, including tight headshots, it focuses plenty close enough.

0 upvotes
eopix
By eopix (3 months ago)

The large aperture (2.0 or bigger) is favoured by some portrait shooters, and this lens is aimed at that market in addition to macro people. I do own Zeiss lenses for my Canon 5D2 and I wholeheartedly endorse them.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

f/1.8 is a better number for me for APS-C but
f/2.0 won't be too bad.

0 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

You are out of luck there yab.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

f/8 on APS-C? Maybe on a tripod. I had to go all the way to f/22 on m43 to get a decent picture of a snowflake handheld (sure, diffraction, sure). iPhone had an easier time for that.
I still don't get it why Pentax does not make native macro lenses for their Q. Long DoF!

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John C Tharp
By John C Tharp (3 months ago)

It's a 1:1 macro, not 1:2.

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_sem_
By _sem_ (3 months ago)

Tamron does make an APS-C 60mm/F2 1:1 macro-portrait lens, and with 10cm working distance @1:1
We shall see if this one produces better quality perhaps.

1 upvote
Kurt_K
By Kurt_K (3 months ago)

Stellar optics, no doubt, but man are these Touit lenses ugly.

4 upvotes
plasnu
By plasnu (3 months ago)

The other 2 Touit lenses were not really stellar...

6 upvotes
Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (3 months ago)

The other two touits ARE stellar. The only valid critics is the slow AF, but maybe that could be solved with new cameras and firmware updates in the future. For the design I don't know any more beautiful lenses than these. But that's a matter of taste...

11 upvotes
Nectar D Or
By Nectar D Or (3 months ago)

LOL, I was just thinking: beautiful lenses, wonder how the optics are.

5 upvotes
DaveE1
By DaveE1 (3 months ago)

Kurt, if you don't like the look of it, you don't have to sleep with it.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

I don't know about stellar, the prices look more like Lunar...

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

They were going to make the focusing ring out of Ethiopian burled zebra wood but after the reception the Hasselblad received they decided to play it safe and go with metal and glass.

0 upvotes
Tapper123
By Tapper123 (3 months ago)

We need a longer focal length macro for greater working distance. Canon has the excellent 100mm f.28 L with IS and weather seals (150mm equiv on APS-C). Olympus has the 60mm f2.8 weather sealed (which is 120mm equiv on M4/3). Would like to see a lens like those for Fuji X system as well.

6 upvotes
Ben Ramsey
By Ben Ramsey (3 months ago)

I'd like Sigma to make their 150 macro for fuji, or even a smaller 180 macro. Having a lens like that available would make the x mount far more tempting to me than it already is.

2 upvotes
Tapper123
By Tapper123 (3 months ago)

Agreed! Would love to see Sigma make lenses for Fuji X.

0 upvotes
Mazhe
By Mazhe (3 months ago)

Zeiss, I thought you said you were too good to do things for APS-C systems? :)

1 upvote
Matz03
By Matz03 (3 months ago)

no, they said they are too good to things for m4/3

3 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

Yet they license their name for Sony point-and-shoots.

1 upvote
DaveE1
By DaveE1 (3 months ago)

But what a nice point and shoot that is!

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"A" point and shoot? Which one, Sony Cyber-shot DSC-T90? Do you like it in pink?

0 upvotes
Mike99999
By Mike99999 (3 months ago)

Thas was Leica...

1 upvote
Mike Arledge
By Mike Arledge (3 months ago)

it is an ugly duckling, but I imagine it will render nice images. Count me out for now though at that price

1 upvote
Daniel from Bavaria
By Daniel from Bavaria (3 months ago)

Ok, nice lens. But I'll stick to my Fuji 60mm lens.

1. I own it aleady
2. It's not that pricy
3. IQ is lovely, cannot imagine the Zeiss is realy better
4. it is a bit brighter and longer AND much smaller and lighter
5. for me 1:2 on APS is most of the time good enough

But choices are always good to have.

I really think that on the x-mount side with the really good Fuji lenses it's a tough run for Zeiss.

Daniel

9 upvotes
Cane
By Cane (3 months ago)

Ok, Daniels out. I'll alert the media.

20 upvotes
Resom
By Resom (3 months ago)

I will also not buy the Zeis, because I don´t own a Sony or Fuji camera!!!1!!!

3 upvotes
Nexguy
By Nexguy (3 months ago)

Pointless

0 upvotes
eopix
By eopix (3 months ago)

@Nexguy: what is pointless, the lens or Daniel's comment? I too have the Fujinon 60mm and like it.

2 upvotes
Sessility
By Sessility (3 months ago)

@Cane - gee, very mature and so original and funny.

I'm sure the point of Daniel's post was the list of very relevant points he made.

Many owners of the excellent Fuji 60 f/2.4 macro feel the same way. I also have the Fuji macro, and while I wish it was 1:1, I can't imagine the Zeiss is even as good as that Fuji 60mm lens, so just the magnification difference is not enough to buy the Zeiss (also, I'd like a longer focal length).

The reality is, Zeiss produces lenses mainly for the poorly served Sony E-mount. The X-mount lenses are an afterthought because it's economical to also produce the same lens for X-mount, but like Daniel said, they have it tough on X-mount with all the superb Fuji lenses already existing!

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7 upvotes
DaveE1
By DaveE1 (3 months ago)

Relax Sessility. Cane's comment was hilarious. Got quite a few likes to prove it.

Not sure Daniel's musings were that relevant (to those who are not Daniel). Your post just seems more interesting. :)

2 upvotes
gerard boulanger
By gerard boulanger (3 months ago)

Fuji 60 mm macro f/2.4: $600
Zeiss 50 mm macro f/2.8: $1,000
Assuming they give comparable experience and IQ, this is very unusual to see a non original lens 66% more expensive than the original brand name.
To me, it makes sense only if performance and IQ are way better than the Fuji one.
Zeiss magnification is 1:1, much better than Fuji, does that justifies the extra money?

2 upvotes
Gao Gao
By Gao Gao (3 months ago)

Sigma is one thing, Zeiss is another. Now Sigma is trying to move up the ladder...

0 upvotes
Jan3x5
By Jan3x5 (3 months ago)

In my opinion yes, but just until comes the 1:1 macro lens from Fuji. Anyway, the price is way too high, not just considering the XF 60/2.4, but also some other excellent lenses as Nikon 60/2.8G (half the price in Europe). I do not expect to see this Zeiss in real life...

0 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"Fuji 60 mm macro f/2.4: $600
Zeiss 50 mm macro f/2.8: $1,000
Assuming they give comparable experience and IQ"

The Fuji is not even a real macro, just 0.5x magnification. I don't know how it compares to the Zeiss, but it is worse optically at its closest focus than Olympus 60/2.8 macro (although still very good).

3 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (3 months ago)

its funny how the Touit and lens naming looks photoshopped on.

0 upvotes
DaveE1
By DaveE1 (3 months ago)

That's because it is. Just printed on the image. Aren't photographers supposed to understand perspective? ;)

3 upvotes
quezra
By quezra (3 months ago)

Actually Zeiss "announced" this lens about a year ago. Everyone just fell asleep waiting for it to come out.

13 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

Hehe I guess they finally got a round Touit themselves.

21 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (3 months ago)

Gotta say I love the puns, I'm really in touit. Maybe we ought to collect all of them together in one package and provide a link touit. They are the go touit lenses I hear.

Carl

2 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

Why not? Let's get down Touit then!

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

flush!

1 upvote
historianx
By historianx (3 months ago)

Do it Touit!

1 upvote
eopix
By eopix (3 months ago)

Do I need a touitter account?

2 upvotes
lensez
By lensez (2 months ago)

This type of humor is intuitive.

0 upvotes
ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (3 months ago)

Can this lens AF fast? Or it is a dedicated macro?

Comment edited 9 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
0MitchAG
By 0MitchAG (3 months ago)

Autofocus is generally sluggish and inaccurate at macro ranges anyway. This lens has it, but most of the time you will be using MF.

1 upvote
Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (3 months ago)

It's not necessarily a case of either/or; several modern dedicated macro lenses can AF pretty fast, especially if (like this one) they use internal focus designs. The Canon 100mm F2.8L Macro and Olympus 60mm F2.8 Macro spring to mind.

2 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

14 years old EF100/2.8 USM, AF is fast enough for sports.
it's the best macro lens for 10 years till EF100/2.8LIS.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 9 minutes after posting
1 upvote
technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

By best you mean the only one you've read about on a website. You never take photos so you can never verify that statement yab. Try using some of the gear you spew irrational hatred over and form proper opinions on them instead of hating them based on numbers.

6 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I don't think you have a chance to argue here for the Canon one inspired and changed the modern macro lens design (though rivals failed to catch up quickly).

0 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

Does it matter if it did yab? No, so there is no need to state it randomly in a news story about a new Zeiss lens for Sony and Fuji mounts.

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

as a direct answer to op's question, people have been using fast AF macro for 14 years and the current standard is that a macro that doesn't follow EF100/2.8 won't be a good macro.

0 upvotes
technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

Well yab you managed to get talking about your beloved Canon even in an item about a Zeiss lens. The second part of your sentence was the BS we have come to expect from you.

1 upvote
_sem_
By _sem_ (3 months ago)

It doesn't have an AF limit switch does it?

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

@ technotic,

not everyone in this world think like you. I don't judge things by brands and all of brands receive same treatment when a new gear arrives home: covered by a tape.

what does a brand mean other than higher cost to the user?

0 upvotes
0MitchAG
By 0MitchAG (3 months ago)

This just goes to show the u4/3 Panasonic-Leica is way overpriced! Isn't it silly that a Panasonic lens should cost more than this, on a smaller system? By all means the PL is great, but I'm sure glad I didn't pay the asking price.

2 upvotes
ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (3 months ago)

Just in! Breaking news: Leica products are overpriced!

People who buy PL45 (ditto PL25), buy it for the signature Leica rendering. Anyone who is really interested in macro is likely to buy some old manual 100mm macro lens and adapt it. It's not like AF is useful in macro anyway.

1 upvote
0MitchAG
By 0MitchAG (3 months ago)

But they aren't even Leica products... which is why it's extremely disappointing. I payed $590 for mine, which I am quite happy with. I think Panasonic needs to seriously reconsider their pricing and the whole collaboration or they will lose customers. I would have preferred to buy an adapter with all manner of legacy lenses regardless of electronic features, but where I live does not permit this any more conveniently or cheaper than what it is to buy native lenses. Yeh I know I shouldn't be surprised, but I wouldn't think a struggling system would betray its customers that much. If it was an affordable system for me, I would be on Fuji-X but u4/3 still has all the advantages in size and pricing, otherwise.

Comment edited 42 seconds after posting
1 upvote
0MitchAG
By 0MitchAG (3 months ago)

Also, wouldn't the same argument you present for buying legacy lenses still hold for the Fuji and Sony? Perhaps legacy capability is not the best on those either, but I guess we pay for these sorts of premiums in native IQ, build and features.

0 upvotes
Gao Gao
By Gao Gao (3 months ago)

I don't know about the PL45 but the PL25 is really just an OK lens for an OK price. Nothing Leica about it.

1 upvote
Alastair Norcross
By Alastair Norcross (3 months ago)

I can't understand why people always say "AF isn't useful for macro". That's utter nonsense. I've been using macro lenses for the last 8 years, first the Canon 100 F2.8 USM, and now the Canon 100 F2.8L, and almost always use AF. With bugs, which is most of what I shoot macro for, you pretty much have to use AF. They move. The only times I use manual focus on macro are when I have ages to set up a tripod shot for a static subject. Even then, if I compare AF results with manual focus, manual focus almost never gives better focus. Recent Canon DSLRs have a special setting for macro focus using servo, to compensate for small back and forth movements. It works really well.

4 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"This just goes to show the u4/3 Panasonic-Leica is way overpriced"

Good thing you can buy a perfect Olympus 60/2.8 for $400. And it even has focus limiter and weather-sealing. You can buy a whole refurb/like new OM-D E-M5 for the change and have 5-axis stabilization and higher effective magnification (2x FF equivalent vs 1.5x) in a fully weather-sealed system for outdoor macro - plus longer working distance. And special macro lights neither Fuji nor Sony have.

Comment edited 1 minute after posting
0 upvotes
Mike99999
By Mike99999 (3 months ago)

The PL25 is priced just about right... look at comparable alternatives:

- Nikkor 35mm f/1.8 DX: $200, ugly rendering, soft.
- PL 25mm f/1.4: $500, good rendering, quite sharp.
- Sony FE 55mm f/1.8: $1000, excellent rendering, one of the sharpest lenses on DxO.

You get what you pay for.

0 upvotes
pcblade
By pcblade (3 months ago)

With german accent : "Just To it"

4 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

Yes, this is with 100% certainty a fine example of the Denglish school of product marketing.

1 upvote
Resom
By Resom (3 months ago)

Ups - now I get it. :D

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 3 minutes after posting
1 upvote
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

Yes. originally the uber-smart German marketing intern who came up with this insisted on Tooit, but the focus groups kept saying it was broke, they couldn't get it to even squeek, much less toot.

0 upvotes
MikeF4Black
By MikeF4Black (3 months ago)

Hi Arnie! Ok; Austrian...

0 upvotes
panpen
By panpen (3 months ago)

$1k for a 50mm 2.8 macro lens? Insane. If you don't need the macro capabilities, the Sigma 60mm 2.8 does the job for less than $240.

3 upvotes
0MitchAG
By 0MitchAG (3 months ago)

If you need macro capabilities, the Sigma does little... One buys this lens purely for the macro, not portraiture, or short tele landscapes... that's just silly. Anything else, is a bonus.

2 upvotes
hexxthalion
By hexxthalion (3 months ago)

or good old Nikkor AF-D 60mm f/2.8 Micro - I got mine for £160

2 upvotes
h2k
By h2k (3 months ago)

Why not mention straight in the introductory text if the lens has AF and stabilization?

0 upvotes
Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (3 months ago)

Added, thanks for the suggestion

1 upvote
PowerG9atBlackForest
By PowerG9atBlackForest (3 months ago)

1st paragraph, 4th statement: "Like the other Touit lenses it includes autofocus, but no image stabilisation." Hello?

1 upvote
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

I'll buy one when I get a round Touit.

12 upvotes
rube39
By rube39 (3 months ago)

I would (and did) go for the cheap sony nex 50mme lens. Can this lens be 4x better since it is 4x the price?

0 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

Rube, I don't think the Sony can hold a candle Touit.

5 upvotes
Starred
By Starred (3 months ago)

Usain Bolt gets paid 5-10 times more than me. Does he run 5-10 times faster on the 100m sprint than me? Don't think so

18 upvotes
Resom
By Resom (3 months ago)

Usain Bolt is not 5-10 times faster as you, but the difference is - he has a good chance to win - you not. And that counts. ;)

4 upvotes
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