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Hands-on with the GoPro Hero 3+ Black Edition

By Mike Perlman on Feb 20, 2014 at 08:00 GMT

GoPro's latest fleet of little action bricks are fortified with several advanced features that cannot be found elsewhere in the market. The GoPro Hero 3+ Black Edition ($399.99) is the newest flagship model, replacing the GoPro Hero 3 by adding some key upgrades. Having owned the first HD Hero and Hero2, our writer Mike Perlman wanted to know if the Black Edition was worth the extra cash, so he spent some quality time testing the camera in a variety of environments. 

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CatLikeFelix
By CatLikeFelix (3 days ago)

Does anyone know where I can get a camera only 'kit' ? i.e. no housing, mounts etc

Thanks.

(new or used I guess)

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sujo
By sujo (3 days ago)

I do not own a GoPro YET, but am looking at the Black 3+ ( that is until I found out the 4 is comng out soon). I am a scuba diver and this will be the primary use. If the GoPro is under water, can a person on the surface (boat) be able to pick up the WiFi and view what is being displayed on a smart phone?
Thanks

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Peter Evans
By Peter Evans (5 days ago)

When you consider the third party lens replacement choices on offer, I wonder if the GoPro 4 will have a simple interchangeable lens facility? After all, when you look at the third party lens 'How To' videos, after snapping out a bit of cosmetic plastic and then removing some glue, they simply unscrew the original lens and screw in the replacement.

If GoPro improved the method of fastening the cosmetic plastic and did away with the glue, the user would get more and easier options and GoPro would have another revenue stream. Everybody wins.

It makes sense to me.

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Marcel Beaudoin
By Marcel Beaudoin (2 weeks ago)

I have a quick question on the audio/video capture capabilities of the GoPro Hero 3+. If you were in a meeting room, and about 20 or 30 feet back from the speaker, how good would the audio be captured, and how well would the image of the person doing the speaking appear? By this I mean, would they be a tiny blob in the center?

Also, I am asking about a GoPro because the same camera would also be used to capture video at gatherings, marches, protests, etc...

Thanks

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PhotoDiod
By PhotoDiod (1 month ago)

Dpreview has rules against bashing the same brand. I wish there were also rules against deliberately and repeatedly making up non-existing virtues of the same brand, product or company. In every GoPro-related thread here, there is always that one person insistingly praising the professionalism of his own photography business and posting the same made-up or or exaggerated praise of GoPro over and over and over again, even after being proven wrong. Isn't it SPAM advertising?

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makofoto
By makofoto (1 month ago)

The new GoPro 3+ firmware update added a Sharpness setting along with other Pro adjustments:

http://gopro.com/support/product-updates-support

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Sad Joe
By Sad Joe (1 month ago)

PLUS: More Go Pro Madness CONS: Almost too small to handle without a case.VERDICT: I've got one - its great.

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RMc8
By RMc8 (1 month ago)

I don't think it is fair to criticize the camera for not having higher FPS in 4K. A 3 minute 4k video is over 2GB as opposed to a 1080 that is about 400MB. That's a lot of data to process, store, and distribute. I don't think Youtube is ready to distribute files that large.

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Shellbo6901
By Shellbo6901 (1 month ago)

why don't they, and correct me if I'm wrong have a phone case that connects to the gopro? seeing as they have the app already, I'd think that would be the next step for case makers.

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makofoto
By makofoto (1 month ago)

? Not sure what you mean ? You can connect to a smart phone over wifi ... but the 3 second delay is silly, and Wifi eats up a LOT of batter power. We typically use the mini HDMI out to set-up the camera. Used 17 on a Nissan commercial last week.

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CedricL1984
By CedricL1984 (4 weeks ago)

It's more a 0,25 second lag...
It's perfect for framing and thats the idea.

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RustyStainless
By RustyStainless (3 weeks ago)

Good idea. Why not just use a cheap phone case and double sided tape. Just like sticking a GoPro to a helmet or surf board. Or just just stick the Gopro case to the ph case without using the bottom swivel mount. That would be a pocketable camera with a 5 inch screen if using say a Galaxy ph.

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looker
By looker (2 months ago)

By "little action bricks", you mean "cameras"?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (1 month ago)

building bricks of cameras http://www.360heros.com/

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JakJenner
By JakJenner (2 months ago)

And if you put it underwater, it once again displays a focus problem similar to the 1 and 2 because of the new lens. And once again, third parties have to come up with fixes for this.

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Crf450r420
By Crf450r420 (1 month ago)

My 3 Black works great, so your saying if I get another one and it's the 3+, it won't work this well?

http://youtu.be/owbFQWijMqI

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makofoto
By makofoto (1 month ago)

Early 3+'s had some focus issues ... which are fixable. ALMOST every minicam that I test has some focus/sharpness issues. GoPro is by far the best in quality control. GoPro User Forum has tons of info and tips

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PhotoDiod
By PhotoDiod (1 month ago)

To read more on GoPro's "amazing" quality control, please visit their Facebook page. Their "quality" is driving thousands of people nuts.

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Xoom
By Xoom (2 months ago)

It absolutely baffles me why there is no competing models from major brands like Nikon and Canon. I spent a week in Park City recently and I was absolutely amazed at how many people I saw wearing one of these things. As the compact market sinks, action cam market thrives... seems like a huge missed opportunity.

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PhotoDiod
By PhotoDiod (1 month ago)

I agree. Hopefully, they'll catch up soon. And they won't even need to prove the concept, just execute well.

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Oldmanadrift
By Oldmanadrift (3 weeks ago)

Sony makes the HDR-AS30 and now the HDR-AS100. RAW image and sound quality are both better in most of the test I have seen (I wish I had a GoPro to do my own tests). I prefer the form factor of Sony action cam and it has a wrist mounted waterproof live-view remote for the same price as GoPro 3 Black. Sony does a terrible job of describing their accessories on line.

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cvye
By cvye (2 months ago)

.8 inches, not .08 inches, would be closer to 2cm.

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Noirist
By Noirist (2 months ago)

4k has four times as many pixels as 1080 but only TWICE the resolution.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

If there are better action cams out there, why did GoPro win an Emmy for Technical Achievement? Wouldn't they have given it to the best camera manufacturer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOct5RbkZIo

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splendic
By splendic (2 months ago)

"Better" is subjective.

You may think GoPro's 4K at 15fps is "better," and might think Sony's 50Mb/s 1080p30 is "better."

The reality is, they give Emmys to the cameras that are getting used. Not the one with the "better" technology in it. And because GoPro has helped to create the consumer action cam market, they're what's most used.

Over time, as the market saturates, and if the action cam makers are smart enough to adopt compatible mount systems, people will put many other brands to use.

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utomo99
By utomo99 (2 months ago)

Go pro must release something great near their IPO. If not the share will not get good price.
Go pro must announce something better than just a +

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

Definitely. Given that the Chinese knock-off SJ4000 offers the same functionality (and even considerably better IQ / wider FoV) at half the price of the GoPro White (and the additional batteries are sold for 1/8th of the price), the GoPro folks really should consider either adding some unique features (e.g., full 4K support) and/or reducing their prices (particularly those of additional batteries).

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

The fact is that with their current product they are a multi billion dollar company, selling more cameras than anyone else. The + is the current best ... whenever they come out with something new they upset a lot of folks ... that just bought the last camera. :-)

http://news.yahoo.com/gopro-history-success-230730979.html

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splendic
By splendic (2 months ago)

@ Menneisyys, they will have to come out with something that's demonstrably better. Dropping prices would be admitting that, with little (mass consumed) competition, they're already playing the slimming margin game. And that would not be good for share price either.

They have to go the Apple route, and establish their product as the "top" quality product in the action cam market (which most people think they have now, but it might be hard to hold on to if the market saturates with 4K capable copy cats).

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DaGurney
By DaGurney (2 months ago)

Does it finally have an endless-recording mode?

The lack of this on "action cams" is idiotic.

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Yoggie
By Yoggie (2 months ago)

Are you referring to the 29 minute rule? My understanding is that anything that records more than 30 minutes continuously has to pay some sort of special EU tax.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

Isn't this what you're talking about ... from the GoPro web site:

Looping Video
Records a continuous video loop that overwrites itself until you press the shutter button to stop it. It's ideal for saving space on your memory card while waiting to catch a moment of action.

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pjsalty
By pjsalty (2 months ago)

Those of us on a budget should get the iClam for our smartphones. It cost about $70 and comes with mounts for a helmet and bike etc. Those of us who ride road bikes like to have our smart phones on us anyway for apps like Strava and, heaven forbid, for making phone calls. The iClam is waterproof too.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

I seriously contemplated this as well before going for GoPros and the likes - after all, I have almost all the flagship phones.

However, the following facts deterred from doing this:

- camera cases, incl. the iClam, aren't the best casual cases. Not one of them comes close to the physical protection for example the OtterBox Defender Series provides. It's a PITA to always have to remove the iPhone from the casual case (with the OtterBox Defender, it takes at least two minutes!) and put in the action one and vice versa.

- not all of them have removable camera modules. This, assuming an UWA adapter, means you must remove the phone from the action case for the time you take a non-UWA and/or high-quality shot. This not only takes time, but also poses danger to the phone (what happens if you drop the phone just when it's not protected at all)?

- UWA adapters rarely reach the optical quality of that of the GoPro / SJ4000 / other, IQ-wise, top action cameras.

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pjsalty
By pjsalty (2 months ago)

Thanks Menneisyys. I must confess that I don't actually own an iClam and given your comments I might seek a "Lifeproof" brand case for my bike instead, although it's quite expensive.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

Best Picture Oscar Nomination cameras ... see any Nikon's, Sony's, etc? I do see a GoPro!

http://nofilmschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Best-Picture.jpg

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mestreamador
By mestreamador (2 months ago)

very nice,,,

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aerorail
By aerorail (2 months ago)

keep in mind go pro is used almost exclusively for television production for tight spaces or usual angles ie inside and outside moving vehicles as well sports of all kinds plus outer space. a lot of tv you're viewing is done with go pro and you don't even know it
and you can buy it at walmart lol

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Spectro
By Spectro (2 months ago)

We do need to get a review on the sony action cam 30 or the 100series too. I read amazon reviews and they say sony IQ is better by the eyeball test. Sony come with a watch that controls the camera as do cellphone app.

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splendic
By splendic (2 months ago)

This.

The AS100 looks like a very comparable cam (minus the 4K), but includes a water resistant body (no case needed), built in review LCD, image stabilization (huge!), and already has almost all the same mounts as GoPro available.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

splendic, IMHO, the biggest problem with the Sony Action Cam AS100v is, as with 99,9% of other action cameras, its form factor. It's much-much harder to fasten on you if you don't have a helmet. And when you ski / swim / fish, you don't.

In these cases, "flat" form-factor cameras are way better and less dangerous if you for example fall forward.

Of course, if you *can* fasten it to somewhere (helmet etc.), the advantages of it surely become much more important than those of the GoPro.

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splendic
By splendic (2 months ago)

@Menneisyys, I get where you're coming from, i.e., form factor, but in practice the difference is negligible. I mean, what are you mounting a GoPro on that the Sony can't also be mounted on when you ski/swim/fish (unless you're implying that the boxiness allows you to simply "set the GoPro down")?

The older GoPros are just as bulky, (and I can tell you from experience painful) to fall on because they're always in some form of case.

The new ones are slimmer, yes, but at least IMO, they're both small enough that the difference is negligible.

At least the new Sony can be mounted sans case now too.

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Biowizard
By Biowizard (2 months ago)

Thanks for posting SOMETHING about the latest GoPro, but this is NOT a proper review - rather an enthusiastic biker/"hockey" player's personal thoughts about his latest glory-recorder.

Even though they are primarily about video, not stills, I would LOVE to see a proper comparative review of the main action-cam contenders, using normal DpReview standards - and comparing them (say) to the ruggedised compact options from Olympus, Canon, Pentax, etc.

Brian

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

" and comparing them (say) to the ruggedised compact options from Olympus, Canon, Pentax, etc."

Apples and oranges. Even mediocre action cams are immensely better than those.

- far smaller / lighter - even the GoPro knockoffs weigh in only around 60g (with battery) / 130g (with water-resistant cover), let alone the latest-and-greatest GoPro's

- far wider FoV - "regular" cameras rarely go under 24mm and very few of them have add-on UWA converters. The latter, if they exist at all, are, generally, of bad IQ and/or considerable additional bulk / weight. And generally don't provide more than 50% FoV extension, which is generally still below that of the widest action cams.

- easy mounting anywhere (incl. the human body w/o helmets), particularly with the GoPro series.

All in all, for action shooting, I don't think anyone should bother with regular cameras. They simply aren't meant for that.

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robmanueb
By robmanueb (2 months ago)

Or even a list of specs. Lens specs specifically.

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roddigphot
By roddigphot (2 months ago)

I am far too busy taking pictures to argue about specification, so all I can say is currently the Gopro Hero 3+Black is the best action cam on the planet bar none

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Dezzza
By Dezzza (2 months ago)

Garmin's Virb are also nice

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

There's certainly room for good competition to the GoPro ... but because there really isn't anything that compares the competition is having trouble staying in business, ie. Contour, Drift. The GoPro is THE MOST POPULAR camera in the world now! Just shot a Toyota commercial with five of them. A few months ago we used 15 on a Corvette commercial. 6 on a Comcast shoot. I've got four on rent to a new TV stand-up comedy show that's shooting for a couple of months.

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Couscousdelight
By Couscousdelight (2 months ago)

Judged by it's image quality, for me, GoPro is pretty overrated...

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ihv
By ihv (2 months ago)

What are your criteria i.e. you are comparing it to with what in the same class (small action cameras)?
Not saying the IQ is overly good but useful enough for what it is.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

Their promo videos on the big screen are pretty amazing

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digiart
By digiart (2 months ago)

If it is the #1 camera in sales then I guess it could be sold a lot cheaper. I know it's not really comparable to a normal digicam or DSLR, but a good DSLR with (glass) kit lens can be bought for $400. At this prices, the action camera seems very good business. I'm surprised the big traditional camera brands don't offer something similar.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"If it is the #1 camera in sales then I guess it could be sold a lot cheaper."

There's simply no direct competitor to the GoPro cameras if you need human body mountability without using helmets, except for some Chinese knock-offs (the SJ4000 I've referred to earlier, for example). This is because of their shallow, wide profile. All other action cameras are long, making it impossible to mount it on the chest / forehead.

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

Keep in mind that I didn't do any post enhancements. Ideally, shooting at 60P in well-lit environments with color correction and levels will yield some pretty awesome results.

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splendic
By splendic (2 months ago)

@Menneisyys, There are a lot of other options in the action cam market. The new Sony Action Cam AS100v is looking like the strongest competitor (so far), especially with its stabilization option, water resistant body (no case needed), and built in review LCD. It also already has almost all the same mounts available. GoPro certainly has the corner on the market now, but as soon as some of the other big "camera giants" get into the market, they're all going to be playing the slimming margin game.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

The biggest problem with the Sony Action Cam AS100v is, as with 99,9% of other action cameras, its form factor. It's much-much harder to fasten on you if you don't have a helmet. And when you ski / swim / fish, you don't.

In these cases, "flat" form-factor cameras are way better and less dangerous if you for example fall forward.

Of course, if you *can* fasten it to somewhere (helmet etc.), the advantages of it surely become much more important than those of the GoPro.

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Sdaniella
By Sdaniella (2 months ago)

not sure why gopro , primarily a videocam not a stills dcam, is at all reviewed, never mind mentioned, when others aren't. and that specs not be included along with conventional dcams that also do videos, especially absent in the dpr comparison database.

how does it compare to, say Canon's new VIXIA mini X vcam/dcam for portability/mobile 'action' needs ? (includes liveview screen for realtime monitoring or review).

the gopro type has compactness only when recording without a monitor for playback or review later. one has to bring some additional computer hardware which means both reviewing and processing in the field for immediate sharing a bit less portable.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

Well it IS the Number One camera in the world in sales

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

I may be wrong, but isn't this a 'freelance' review? The writer isn't a member of the regular DPR staff. In other words, I don't think DPR reviews action cams or other video cameras, and that's why you won't find them in their database.

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

This is more of a hands-on account, as I am a freelance writer for DP Review. That doesn't mean I don't pour hours into testing and analyzing every single product I review, backed by years of experience in the photo/video world.

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Zigmont
By Zigmont (2 months ago)

Interesting that most of the photos here except one are of the camera without its housing. The GoPro is basically useless without its housing and with it, it's bulky and difficult to mount. I have 3 different GoPros along with other action cameras that we use quite frequently. Although the Hero 3 series takes good video for an action cam, remember that with the housing, special GoPro mounts and a suction cup mount to hold it, this sucker is big and heavy compared to some other action cams.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

We try not to use it with it's housing. If necessary we use the FRAME accessory. The camera itself is often considered an expendable.

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

With the housing, the GoPro is still tiny. I took product shots without the housing in order to display the terminals, battery bay and controls.

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J Birn
By J Birn (2 months ago)

I have a GoPro Hero 3+ myself, and it's not "bulky" with or without its little underwater housing. In fact, the whole set-up is smaller and lighter than even the smaller prime lenses I use on my DSLR.

I use it both with and without the housing, depending on the situation. When snorkling and shooting underwater, or taking family pictures/videos in a beach or pool area, I'd have it on. Making videos of my daughter on rides at Six Flags or clamped to a swing in the playground or shooting videos of opening gifts on Christmas morning, I shoot without the housing. It's a great "witness camera" for passive video shooting from different locations, especially with the way it shoots 1440P that you can crop down to 1080P in editing so you can reframe the shot losslessly in post.

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ilikefood
By ilikefood (2 months ago)

Huh? A GoPro is difficult to mount? That would be news to anyone who has ever used one. There are tons of mounts available and many different ways to mount it. Its ease of mounting is a major reason for the GoPro's success.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"Huh? A GoPro is difficult to mount? That would be news to anyone who has ever used one. There are tons of mounts available and many different ways to mount it. Its ease of mounting is a major reason for the GoPro's success."

Exactly. And it's the easiest / safest to mount on one's forehead / chest - as opposed to "long" action cameras.

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Justme
By Justme (2 months ago)

Can anyone confirm the original Hero 3 battery only went 1 hour 30 minutes? I mean, based on the DPReview of the Hero 3+, the battery went 2 hours 14 minutes. Is the battery life that much improved???

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ColoradoKevin
By ColoradoKevin (2 months ago)

I felt lucky if I got 90 minutes of battery life with my Hero 3. I was never impressed with the camera, and not entirely sad I accidentally left it in a hotel room in Ecuador.

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ChrisMohrSr
By ChrisMohrSr (2 months ago)

ONLY 90 MINUTES OF BATTERY LIFE. WHAT A BUMMER!
YOU SHOULD OF STOMPED ON THAT PIECE OF SH** INSTEAD OF LEAVING IT FOR SOMEONE WHO MAY KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

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pew pew
By pew pew (2 months ago)

I got sea sick after watching the youtube video, needs image stabilization :D

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

A lot of folks don't realize that they should be shooting at 60 fps in order to minimize jelly and skewing. Not slow motion, 60 fps on a 60 fps time line to preserve time

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BJN
By BJN (2 months ago)

While the Hero3 improves the "interface" over previous generations, let's not pretend these cameras are anything but a pain to configure. GoPro has terrible quality control. My camera suffered from a common assembly problem where a metallic shielding label inside the battery compartment was shorting across the battery contacts. I found the error and behavior was well known on the internet, as was the fix. And GoPro has been infamous for making promises of software and features that it takes forever to deliver. I'm ready to cheer on and buy any competent alternative to GoPro.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"I'm ready to cheer on and buy any competent alternative to GoPro."

There are quite a few; for example, the new SJ4000 ( http://www.techmoan.com/blog/2014/2/3/the-sj4000-action-camera-review.html ), which even has the advantage of being fully compliant with the GoPro mounts. That is, you can go on using your chest / head etc. mounts you've previously purchased for the GoPro.

It can be had for $99, spare batteries $4 each and, while doesn't have 1080p60 or higher-than-1080p recording modes, it's absolutely competent with excellent IQ, LCD and pretty good battery life.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

I've tested almost every other action camera. One of the great thing about GoPro's IS THEIR QUALITY CONTROL! So many of the other cameras have soft edges ... unusable for pro applications.

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chrishg
By chrishg (2 months ago)

I have heard reports that the camera is not very sharp or in-focus for distances. Can you verify this.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

VERY Sharp ... and the 3+ improves on that!

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Geoffrey Kitt
By Geoffrey Kitt (2 months ago)

I certainly experienced sharpness problems at infinity with my 3+ Black which was much worse than my 3 Black. I use GoPros mounted on drones for aerial photography so sharpness is important. I solved the problem - and massively improved image quality overall - by buying a replacement lens from RageCams who have an extensive range of GoPro lenses. Installation is not for the faint hearted as it pretty much requires the complete disassembly of the camera but it has certainly been worth the effort.

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Glenn
By Glenn (2 months ago)

Thank you, this is what I wanted to hear. I'm setting up a business to do aerial photography and drones with gopro will be the first thing and I was a little concerned about the lenses in these.

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pablobetancourt
By pablobetancourt (2 months ago)

Go for 3 version. 3+ has been modified for close up.

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pablobetancourt
By pablobetancourt (2 months ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnLdpSRMsEs

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RayManFOTO
By RayManFOTO (2 months ago)

- already have a Hero2, and I'm happy with it. Seems like GoPro is competing with Nikon for the position of "King Of The Up-Sell".

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ilikefood
By ilikefood (2 months ago)

There is a HUGE difference in image quality between the Hero2 and the Hero 3+. A friend of mine has the 2, I recently got the 3+. We both used our cameras while skiing, and the difference is remarkable.

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charleswham
By charleswham (2 months ago)

I have the GoPro Hero 3+ Black Edition and with a mini USB to 3.5mm adapter and I have been able to attach an external microphone with very good results.

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

That is good to know an adapter exists in order to provide external audio options. Thanks!

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (2 months ago)

I would say that's the cutest camera that I've ever seen.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

... but much better than the traditional "long" cameras if you want to mount it on your forehead or chest. "Long" cameras are far more prone to cause an accident when you stumble.

This is why I've gone for this form factor too as I needed a safe but capable forehead/chest-mountable ski / fishing camera

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

the Sony style (AS100V) is also good to be mounted on side of helmet or under the arm where is a good place to hold a camera.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"the Sony style (AS100V) is also good to be mounted on side of helmet or under the arm where is a good place to hold a camera."

ALL long cameras can easily be mounted on the side of any helmet. But what happens if you don't have any helmets (skiing, fishing etc.)? Then, the best place to put a camera to shoot forward is either the forehead or the chest.

I know this, I've played with action cameras a lot, mostly for skiing. Here's how I've mounted a "long" camera onto my ski specs (pano-selfie):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/33448355@N07/9930812366/

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

Good drum roll on breaks Mike Perlman but more work needed on your grooving :-))))) On a more serious note I've yet to hear a good bass recording from tiny equipments like the GoPro is. A good microphone alone would cost as much as the camera itself but then you'd need recording chip capable of handling high sound levels too. I guess some corners have to be cut.

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Paul1974
By Paul1974 (2 months ago)

There are many stand-alone audio recorders available (Sony, Zoom, Tascam). It's easy to mix video and audio in post-processing.

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M Lammerse
By M Lammerse (2 months ago)

@Paul1974

True, but than the whole idea of portability in a strong build housing is gone.

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

I'm self-taught (no formal training at all) and was just tooling around. When I played some of it back, I cringed at a few off-time beats, but hey, look at Keith Moon at times! About the bass, I found that the bass was much better with the GoPro out of the housing, and better overall than previous GoPro models.

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

@ Mike Perlman...I'm fully aware that you don't claim to be the last word in drumming and you make that clear in your article too. No offence meant at all. I was just trying to put some humour in my comment at your expense. On the contrary I whole heartedly support you or anyone else to get involved in creative hobbies which would make the world a much better place to live.

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straightshootr
By straightshootr (2 months ago)

Resolution is measured in line pairs. 4K is 2X, not 4X the resolution. 1080 lines x2 is 2160, therefore: 4X the number of pixels and twice the resolution. It seems that most web sites and reviews make the same mistake.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

linear or areal both are okay, DxOMark expresses resolution in P-MPix for example, which is a better way than LP/PH for we have different aspect ratios. LP/mm is not a photographic concept, btw.

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tomcouture
By tomcouture (2 months ago)

but author didn't seem to mention one of the most discussed issues (that I've seen) with the 3+ and how the focus is only sharp up to around 4 feet and infinity is much softer than the 3. Therefore not nearly as good to use for non-selfie type shots. I do actually own the 3+ but that fact is disappointing to me.

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BJN
By BJN (2 months ago)

That's why I bought the 3 Black and not the 3+. I'm flying the GoPro to get aerial scenic video, not shots of my own dorky mug.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

We use a lot of 3's and 3+'s for professional work shooting commercials. The 3+ has amazingly improved on the 3's sharpness at infinity

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"The 3+ has amazingly improved on the 3's sharpness at infinity"

The ones manufactured after last Christmas, you mean... the previous ones did have the focus problem.

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Bervilat
By Bervilat (2 months ago)

And where is the studio scene shot?
Am I on gizmodo or dpreview?

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (2 months ago)

I hate watching 2160p videos on my 30" 1600p monitors in 1080p on youtube when it cost nothing to upload in 2160p like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gdhJwfSJWk

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

12 fps is quite usable for some slow moving/panning situations, though I'd love to have 60 fps (output to a magazine of SDs for example). we are going to have 8K/60 service in Tokyo by 2020 (cable networks tested it already) so let's hope GoPro will also have it till then.

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Bervilat
By Bervilat (2 months ago)

Yes, I do miss the bolts.

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jkoch2
By jkoch2 (2 months ago)

Wind noise solution: fasten a pad of cloth or wool over the mic before that next bick ride. Also remember to shreik or groan loudly, for authentic POV content, when clearing or hitting the ravine, rocks, or barbed wire.

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

DPreview please also test the Sony action cam HDR-AS100 when it's out in march. Really interested in this one with updated optics and sensor. The image stabilisation really makes a big difference from what I've seen in the last generation which was already on GoPro level.

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springsnow
By springsnow (2 months ago)

Yeah. Looking at the samples so far, the much higher bitrate of the AS100 really shows great details.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

My AS100 is soft on the left side ... my many GoPro's are sharp across the sensor

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

yeah because you're working for GoPro...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"yeah because you're working for GoPro..."

makofoto, do you really work for them? Then, at least you should add this as a quick remark in all your posts here...

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Raepix
By Raepix (2 months ago)

makofoto, do you have a pre-production sample of the AS100? Those aren't out until later this March?

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PhotoDiod
By PhotoDiod (1 month ago)

Bashing Sony camera and referring to it as "my" before it is even out... Oy vey!

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

Finally. For some reason, you don't even have GoPro cameras in your camera database...

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (2 months ago)

It's a great camera because it is very small, and mountable. The quality is amazing. However, don't buy it to replace a standard video camera for the specs. Consider it an addition to your video production.

The reason for that is the fixed ultra-wide lens with fixed focus. It's great for ultra-wide, first person view, and creative/abstract shots, but not your standard (master, medium, closeup) shot you get with a regular video camera. Sure you can fix the distortion and get descent HD video (I'll state my workflow below), but you won't want to do this with every standard shot. Also, lens distortion will never be 100% corrected, which is unfortunately very important when working with people's faces in standard shots.

Workflow: Shoot in 2.7K with protune, and protune/RAW WB. Use gopro studio to do the lens correction (not in your NLE because it is about 100x slower). Then you can import the 10-bit 4:2:2 Intermediate cineform file to your NLE like Premiere Pro, crop edges, and grade.

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

Great advice––thank you!

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (2 months ago)

GoPro has created an ecosystem with their camera that wannabes will find difficult to beat or even match.
The camera is only the starting point for the action/extreme photographer . Accessories and software tools allow for a large range of application plus post processing.
Those detractors focusing on sensor size and IQ need to see properly PP video from these cameras. Most all of us have seen the output as they use these cameras in almost every action film and scores of television shows for the otherwise impossible to get footage.
It does perform at the cinema level assuming proper use and handling.
Of course proper use and handling of cameras is harder than carping about the lack of features that the self appointed expert believes are necessary in any camera they have never owned or used.

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Jogger
By Jogger (2 months ago)

haha.. you sound like you work for GP.. what recent movies have GP featured prominently in? and dont tell me no-name indie movies.

it is used for reality shows.. but,it is quite obvious the footage switched from from an S35 cine camera to a dinky GP... how do you think thats its even the same

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (2 months ago)

I agree with P-monkey. In fact, we should outlaw all other make and model cameras and severely fine folks who pay a red cent over $399.99 for a camera. Use GoPro -- or go to prison, folks. :-))

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FotoFisch
By FotoFisch (2 months ago)

The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
Need for Speed

Just the first two recent or imminent big movies that popped into my head. You're welcome.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (2 months ago)

Wow, good to know that $200,000,000 budgeted big-scale movies are happily using the $399.99 GoPro-cams.

Re. the second title -- the DP of that is Mr. Shane Hurlbut. He shoots with ANYTHING, the more of-beat, the better. Anyhow, having a GoPro aimed at the spinning wheel of an automobile is not exactly the same thing as having actually shot the movie with that particular camera.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2369135/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

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AlanG
By AlanG (2 months ago)

Warren Miller's "Ticket to Ride" made extensive use of GoPros. It allow ed for shots that would otherwise have been impossible.

I fly a GP3 on quadcopters for aerial video of large real estate developments. The camera has wide, medium and narrow view settings so I am not confined to the fisheye. Distortion can be adjusted but keep in mind that video shot even with a rectlinear ultra-wide will show worse distortion in movement (mostly at the edges) than a fisheye shot will.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (2 months ago)

Other films include The Avengers, Transformers (all of them), Fast and Furious. Almost every film covered in American Cinematographer each month includes a film using GoPro as part of their gear list.

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makofoto
By makofoto (2 months ago)

@jogger ... GoPro's were used in Fast & Furious 5, RUSH and another big action film whose name I can't recall. BUT it's constantly used on commercials and reality shows. Folks are learning to use it properly so that you won't even recognize that they're GoPro shots.

We used 15 of them on a recent Corvette commercial: http://images9.fotki.com/v250/photos/3/43793/12359129/GoProHell-vi.jpg

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (2 months ago)

At $399, you can afford to lose 15 of them on the shoot and not even break the bank. They are basically disposable digital cameras for today's workd, a little bit different league than your run of the mill Arris, Reds, Panavisions, and VIsion Research heavy guns.

Any footage shot with a GoPro, however, instantly screams this: "I was shot with a GoPro." Not that it is a bad thing necessarily, mind you.

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (2 months ago)

Great little camera!

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Simon97
By Simon97 (2 months ago)

If the GoPro is out of your price range, check out the Mobius camera for under $80 US. It is very small, beautiful crisp HD video, clear audio with adjustable levels, high dynamic range mode and, apparently, you can get a wide angle lens for it. Plenty of YouTube reviews.

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

Or the new SJ4000 ( http://www.techmoan.com/blog/2014/2/3/the-sj4000-action-camera-review.html ), which even has the advantage of being fully compliant with the GoPro mounts. That is, you can go on using your chest / head etc. mounts you've previously purchased for the GoPro.

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wudyi
By wudyi (2 months ago)

Who's the drummer & is he the same guy riding the motorcycle?

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Mark Banas
By Mark Banas (2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it's the author, and the same guy (like Neil Peart and his BMW touring bikes). Look at Mike's bio, and he can thank me for referring to him in the same sentence as Mr. Peart. ;)

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Mike Perlman
By Mike Perlman (2 months ago)

Thanks is an understatement, mbanas! I WISH I could have even 1/64 of Neil's talent. I did all the testing in the videos, one of the fun parts of the reviewing process. If only the weather was better––hopefully GoPro's next update will come in the summer.

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austinspeer810
By austinspeer810 (2 months ago)

I love this camera. Great video camera considering its size, features, and versatility. What amazes me is the quality of video it produces as well as the still image quality. For the price you even get 4K!!!

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