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CP+ 2014: Canon stand report

By dpreview staff on Feb 14, 2014 at 01:31 GMT
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CP+ 2014: Canon stand report

Canon has a large stand at this year's CP+ show in Yokohama, Japan, showcasing its current range of DSLRs, compact cameras and Cinema EOS video lineup. We're at the show, and stopped by earlier today for a look at what's on offer. 

The product which Canon is pushing hardest at CP+ this year is the PowerShot G1 X Mark II. A crowd of attendees are lining up to get a look at the compact camera in this dedicated area of Canon's booth, which is decorated with artificial (we presume) blossom trees.

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Total comments: 59
Ryan Hill
By Ryan Hill (2 months ago)

Thank you for the Canon Stand report but I feel your article contains some serious omissions:

1) Where're the photographs of the model railway itself? The locomotive? The rolling stock?

2) And the details such as the model of locomotive used and its manufacturer?

Standards DP Review! Standards! :-)

(Sorry, mischief got the better of me and I couldn't resist this post!)

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Banhmi
By Banhmi (2 months ago)

@Barney

Blackberry was a global #1 electronics company a few years ago too.

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NancyP
By NancyP (2 months ago)

That's a HUGE fluorite crystal - I wonder how long it takes to grow it. I wonder how many crystals they grow at a time in their fluorite farm.

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Just Ed
By Just Ed (2 months ago)

Canon has been pretty quiet about any forthcoming offerings in ff DSLR's or new lenses. Am fine with my 6D but am waiting to see if there will FINALLY be a replacement this year for the 100-400L. I love mine but would be willing to invest in a updated design which has weather and dust sealing and is not a push pull design. An IS version of the 16-35L or 17-40L might turn my head and open my wallet as well :-)

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OBI656
By OBI656 (2 months ago)

As long time pro user of Canon Camera System I must confess, that in mine humble opinion and precisely experience Canon lately sucks !

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

should extend stay in Tokyo after the weekend to test new & old gears.

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Suave
By Suave (2 months ago)

bleh... or is it meh..?

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Ben O Connor
By Ben O Connor (2 months ago)

G 1 x II would be a great underwater cam. You got all you need lenses on your APS-C camera.

But, would it work that good ? Personally, my 1/2.3 sensored recyled window glass lensed sony cam takes underwater videos far better than my 1/1.7 sensored Razor sharp M.Zuiko lensed XZ-1 olympus.

Well image quality is better than Sony. But thast small sony was relatively easier to use. Wondering this guy.

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Dimitris Servis
By Dimitris Servis (2 months ago)

"The EOS-1D X is a serious camera"

You think the others are funny?

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BarnET
By BarnET (2 months ago)

I think all triple digit canon's are funny.
And at $1499 for the 7D new. Well nuff said i guess.

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FriendlyWalkabout
By FriendlyWalkabout (2 months ago)

I was hoping canon would launch a new competitive mirrorless camera...

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

It's pretty much understandable they went for an all-in-one camera:

- Almost no competition there (the RX100 is in a different class because it's pocketable but has a significantly worse lens, at leats on paper)

- it's much easier to come up with a compact all-in-one camera than doing the same with an interchangeable lens (this is why there are no comparable lens offerings for for example m43)

- Canon already have a (pretty bad and unsuccessful) ILC model

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure that Canon will put the 70D sensor in an EOS M in the near future, and they are rumoured to be working on a model with built-in EVF. The big question is if they will release it outside of Japan.

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Just Ed
By Just Ed (2 months ago)

I suspect that Canon will be more focused on video capabilities of existing designs than on new mirrorless bodies.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (2 months ago)

Here in the UK it is interesting to note that the pre-order prices of the Sony A6000 (£729) and the Olympus OM-D E10 (£599) with kit lenses are both lower than the G1 X II (£749). And that is before you even add the price of the EVF to the G1 X II making it £949.
You can argue they are in different segments, but for anyone just about to spend circa £700 on a new compact camera (i.e. none DSLR) the Sony and Olympus offer fantastic VMF for the feature set they offer in comparison.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (2 months ago)

oh, and to cap that, even with their kit lenses the A6000 and E10 are still smaller than the G1 X II "compact" camera - and find room to include the EVF which doesn't need to protrude like some monstrous gargoyle... and pack in more features and functions, and dials, and...

(note I am currently a Canon user btw, not some sony or olympus fanboy...)

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

I suspect the price has a lot to do with that lens, which is not like your typical kit lens. Apparently, it was very challenging to design and build, and even required the development of new manufacturing processes. This is assuming that the information in Canon's brochure is correct.

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

Also, don't forget about the dual control rings, which partly makes up for the loss of the dials.

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balios
By balios (2 months ago)

To me, that's kind of how Walmart shoppers buy a camera. They look at overall generalities about the kit rather than looking at whether it gives them what they will need. So one camera has an EVF+lens for $800 and another just has the lens for $800, so option 1 must be better....

For somebody looking to buy a compact camera with a single lens, with a good zoom range starting at 24mm, with a fast aperture over that range, and with a fast sync speed for easy fill with basic flashes.... then perhaps the G1X Mark II will be their camera. The fact that the E10 includes an EVF may be of little value to them, or the fact they have to shell out an extra $300 for the EVF may be worth it. Others will disagree and perhaps the E10 will be what they want/need.

Having more is always great, but if its not what you actually need then the actual value of those features is low. If it comes at the cost of features you do actually want, then those extra features are utterly meaningless.

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Lawrencew
By Lawrencew (2 months ago)

I guess the walmart shopper will also be looking at 24mp vs 12.8mp...
Half as much, but more expensive?!?

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Catalin Stavaru
By Catalin Stavaru (2 months ago)

The G1X II is not for the walmart shopper, that's for sure. It's for the people who appreciate image quality and great color rendering.

I got rid of a Sony NEX-5n and a Sony RX100 because of vastly inferior color rendering. Also the Sony kit lenses are really, really bad, so if you are comparing to Sony, please factor in a $1000+ Zeiss lens to get some decent results, and even then you can't get rid of the bad colors.

If the G1X II delivers its image quality and autofocus promises it will be a great camera which could replace a myriad of interchangeable m43 and APS-C cameras and lenses.

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Hachu21
By Hachu21 (2 months ago)

"and pack in more features and functions, and dials, and..."
wich ones? except for the integrated VF and a bigger MP count, what did thy have to offer you won't find in the GIXII?
(real question here, no troll.)

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

Regarding the cameras with more megapixels than the G1X, those extra megapixels make all the difference, especially with these small cameras. What I do is divide the price by the number of megapixels...that gives me the price per megapixel, which is how I know which camera is the best.

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Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (2 months ago)

off-topic nitpick of the day: the mineral shown in #19 is called "fluorite", not "flourite".

/mineral collector out...

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (2 months ago)

this is a different mineral. It's mined under bakery floors.

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sam james
By sam james (2 months ago)

wow, its seriously ugly though, pity.. looks like Frankenstein. If they're trying to angle for M4/3 market with this, that's a pretty 'style' oriented market and this is really quite awful to look at.
Hey, look at my new Canon G1X2 - ewwww

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (2 months ago)

canon is doing fine and professionals seem to think the sensors deliver great quality.

just look at the olympics and keep on shootig your 500px facebook and flicr images and discuss about image quality... you "pros" here.... LOL

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

Professionals don't buy most of the cameras, but they do influence some buyers. Mostly, advertising sells cameras, like everything else and Canon does more than anyone.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

Right now, the professionals are too busy to wonder if a Sony sensor can squeeze out a little more dynamic range with lower noise. I doubt they care if their cameras are boring or lack style.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

In terms of innovation they are doing ok - for example dual pixel af is quite interesting. They did realease a pretty fantastic lens too - the 200-400mm. They release incredibly cheap consumer lenses. I think they keep pushing the envelope in many regards.

I do think their sensors make them less attractive. It reminds me of the times when Panasonic sensors (imo) were killing sales of classic four thirds, which were overall pretty nice cameras to use. It's not that Canon's sensors are bad, it' s just that sony developed a deal breaking technology and other companies (pentax, olympus, nikon, sony) benefit from it hugely.

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Gesture
By Gesture (2 months ago)

Thanks for showing EOS-M2.

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Rally Man
By Rally Man (2 months ago)

On the G1X mk2 image, what are those two rings at the bottom? One looks like a filter adapter (I really hope it is), but what is the other?

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (2 months ago)

I actually like the EOS M2. For the right price it would be a decent camera. Too bad they won't ever sell it in the US.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (2 months ago)

I don't know why Canon aren't taking their M system more seriously, more than 3 lenses and a G1 X styled body and they'd make a killing. I mean, is it really cannibalising their DSLR sales if people are still buying a Canon?

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dg90
By dg90 (2 months ago)

"I mean, is it really cannibalising their DSLR sales if people are still buying a Canon?"

Don´t think so - I mean, if they release a mirrorless and some people do not buy a DSLR, so - Canon still sold a camera. Some people want smaller bodies or cannot live without a OVF. As manufacturer it´s good to provide different solutions.

That´s why I don´t unterstand Canon. And only gearheads talking about "DSLR vs Mirrorless".

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (2 months ago)

Has Canon finally abandoned the A-PSC market in favor of a slightly larger than 4/3s sensor compact camera? Their latest DSLR announcement was pathetic. Their compact sensor announcement has some real promise.

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Juck
By Juck (2 months ago)

Do you have a head injury? T5, T5i, 7D, M2, 60D, 60Da, 70d, SL1.,,,Does that sound like a company that's abandoned APS-C? Duh. lol

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (2 months ago)

well i guess he left middle earth to troll here.

or he has a head injury...

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rrccad
By rrccad (2 months ago)

no jack, canon has definitely abandoned the A-PSC market. :p

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pew pew
By pew pew (2 months ago)

i guess he ment mirrorless

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mario GTI
By mario GTI (2 months ago)

Yawn....oh wait there is the G1 X Mark II....

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

How many mirrorless cameras at their booth? HA AHAHAAHAH! Sorry.

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FBoneOne
By FBoneOne (2 months ago)

After shooting canon for over 20 years this is quite underwhelming. They make good cameras but they stopped making exciting ones a while ago.
I can remember signing up for canon when the first IS lens came out - changed my life. Or the Eos 3, although the eye control did not work so well, it offered so much of the 1v at a fraction of the price with amazing AF for the time and outstandingly accurate light measure - much better than my Eos 1N.
Or the 540ex flash, the first really reliable wireless multi flash system.
I just miss a time when canon made me feel that they were advancing photography with huge leaps.

The last time i felt that way was looking at pictures from the Nikon D800e... Or the Leica M Monochrom.

Might be nostalgia hitting, but I wish canon would wow me again.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (2 months ago)

In the last two years, traditional camera market shrunk in size by some 50%. And it is expected that in the next 12-18 months it will shrink another 30%.
This is hardly a time for a long-standing company like Canon to come out with ‘numerous exciting and brand new things’, when they have tons of cameras they have already manufactured, but still cannot sell. Both Nikon and Canon suffer from involuntary inventory build-up.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (2 months ago)

Wow, definitely the final years of the SS Canikon.

Neither Canon nor Nikon could cook up a decent mirrorless camera if their survival had depended on it, it would seem. And it does.

R.I.P. Canikon.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (2 months ago)

Canon is #1 in the global camera market.

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Juck
By Juck (2 months ago)

lol,, They'll be around long after you're gone, Francis.

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Henrik Herranen
By Henrik Herranen (2 months ago)

Barney: Nokia was #1 in both mobile phones and smartphones just four years ago, by a wide margin. And look at them now.

I'm not saying that Canon is going the same way. I don't think so. But I still wanted to put up a reminder that being #1 in a huge market today doesn't mean much if monumentally stupid decisions are made.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (2 months ago)

Patterns of who is #1 change all the time. Kodak used to be pretty big company just a few years ago. Same for Polaroid. There was a point at which Pentax was #1 in camera sales and the point no one would say Sony makes serious digital cameras. I wouldn't be surprised if 10 years from now it will be Sony or Samsung who are market leaders.

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xue24
By xue24 (2 months ago)

apple to apple; sensor size to sensor size, zoom lens to zoom lens, body size to body size, price to price. a single lens of 24-120/f2.0-3.9 on 1.5inch sensor at this size, as long as the G1XmkII delivers the standard Canon G series performance, i will be glad someone could suggest me an equivalent combination from m43 or other systems. I agree it is not most excited but definitely a very practical one.

btw, i shot m43, pentax, sony, sigma, canon, and a few compacts. i am no fanboy but i really appreciated a compact zoom with all the spec like G1XmkII or better.

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xue24
By xue24 (2 months ago)

no doubt grants like Canon is hard to swing when they have more mature products on the market which any new product may create conflicts on the existing one. canon may never wake up like Kodak or Nokia to swing its bat. but hard to swing, don't swing don't mean can't swing. and canon is one of those with so much technology reserve when it swing, it swing hard and fast. we should in fact hope, canon going for a swing :)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"lol,, They'll be around long after you're gone, Francis."

FYI: I'm not sure it's worth arguing with Francis :) ;)

I've done it a lot over at the Video forum - I know what I'm speaking about ;)

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david vella
By david vella (2 months ago)

Same story with Kodak, once the biggest and best ,and today? Gone!

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dg90
By dg90 (2 months ago)

@Barney > "Canon is #1 in the global camera market"

This means what? If the people talking about FF, they mean Nikon. Or a decent APS-C, they mean Nikon or Pentax (I know, Pentax its a unknow brand for Dpreview).

I´m sure, that Canon is fine, but actually there are not many innovations coming from them. That´s why the people complaining.

As a Pentax user, I´m happy to see here news like "Ups, there was a new Pentax 2 month ago", ;)

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Menneisyys
By Menneisyys (2 months ago)

"I´m sure, that Canon is fine, but actually there are not many innovations coming from them. That´s why the people complaining."

Well, the G1X II *is* innovative. It's as revolutionary and unprecedented as was the R1 back in 2005. (Assuming good real-world lens image quality, of course. It's still unknown how it fares.)

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Hachu21
By Hachu21 (2 months ago)

Nokia, kodak, Rim... well you can list them all but canon seems to me a different story.
Fact :
In 2013 Canon is the third american company regarding patents claiming. And since few years now.
All companies included, not just in photography buisness.

Yes, they drive their buisness very carefully, in a opposite way from Sony, but if you look at the whole picture, Canon seems a lot stronger than Nokia was.

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

Enthusiasts on the internet may talk more about Nikon and Pentax, but Canon sells more cameras, and sales is what all of these companies are competing for.

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dynaxx
By dynaxx (2 months ago)

Barney leaps to the defence of the Canikon brands and points out that Canon sells more cameras than anyone else.

Any industry that is rooted in technology is necessarily volatile and subject to rapid change. IBM sold the most computers globally just before their $8.10 billion loss in 1992.

Historic statistics are mildly interesting but are worthless as an indication of the future.

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Banhmi
By Banhmi (2 months ago)

@Barney

Blackberry was a #1 global electronics company a few years ago too.

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