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CP+ 2014: Hands-on with Sigma DP2 Quattro

By Barney Britton on Feb 13, 2014 at 03:14 GMT
CP+ 2014: Hands-on with Sigma DP2 Quattro
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CP+ 2014: Hands-on with Sigma DP2 Quattro

We've never accused Sigma of lacking innovation, and while the Japanese manufacturer is best known for making lenses, Sigma also markets a line of cameras.

The latest - the DP2 Quattro - features an all-new ~19.6 million pixel APC-C Foveon sensor and a completely new body design. You can read more about the sensor here and the new body design is... interesting. The DP2 Quattro certainly feels very different to its decidedly 'traditional' forebears thanks to a greatly elongated body and unconventional angled grip.  

Read more about the Sigma dp2 Quattro

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (3 weeks ago)

And yes, hands on incompleteness, as you have held it you should already have posted info about its ergonomics weatherproofing and battery life-or do we have to wait until the "embargo" is lifted -or they run out of the old ones first??

Not a free press , is it??

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munro harrap
By munro harrap (3 weeks ago)

The body looks more solidly put together than the current trio of Merrill models which have seams that let in dust and air (check out Imaging-Resource photo of DP1M if you doubt me) The thing here is that the sensor has completely changed. They claim the quality is better, but how can it be when two layers are only 5MP? Besides, this has not been designed-like its predecessors, to be used. You cant hold it properly and the thumb will go on the focus button all the time and you'll get cramp in your right hand due to its shape. So, just as battery life and no viewfinder sunk the last lot without trace (along with the £120 charge for the viewfinder-even now), so now this one will sink like a brick because it was not designed to be actually used at all anyway-except on a tripod in a studio, because truly: ridicule awaits anyone going into our cruel world with that thing. Now you cant go out with it, I bet its waterproof and dustproof!!!

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TitusXIII
By TitusXIII (2 months ago)

Never seen an uglier camera!

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pagafle
By pagafle (2 months ago)

or is it a control remote?

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pagafle
By pagafle (2 months ago)

horrible. I have the dp2 merril ..they improve the camera viewfinder. batery.etc.
uglier than a sony nex.
sorry im not speak so much english

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Selim Yafi
By Selim Yafi (2 months ago)

I love the futuristic look.
Very nice object.

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unlearny
By unlearny (2 months ago)

which 8 people own this?

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Minolta4Life
By Minolta4Life (2 months ago)

Oh, hell no!!! This thing goes far beyond the realm of good taste. Didn't Sigma get the memo, Small is the new big. This thing looks like an ice cream sandwich; albeit, I'll be it can shoot the pants off Canon or Nikon.

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nemark
By nemark (2 months ago)

Quattro means - you need 4 (four) hands to use it!

2 upvotes
KAllen
By KAllen (2 months ago)

I fail to see why this camera is anymore difficult to pick up than any other camera ever made.. I wonder what the comments on a Hasselblad would of been like at launch if DPReview had been around.
I've been tempted with the little Sigmas before, workflow just kills it for me. If this is decently quick to use and "Foveon images" we have come to expect in image quality, I for one will give it a go.
Great little system, 3 cameras with a dedicated lens. If only it had compatibility with 3rd party raw converters. I bet that puts more people off buying than speed or shape.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

I think Sigma shares information with other raw extraction software developers. It’s that most haven’t done much work with that information.

In fact, the Mac only Iridient extracts raws from DP+SD Merrills and older Sigma Foveon cameras too. So if you have an Intel Mac, that’s an option instead of Sigma Pro Photo.

http://www.iridientdigital.com/

And ACR will extract raws from some older DP cameras with the old 14MPx3 sensor.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Old 4.9MPx3, before I read about my mistake.

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Russell Dawkins
By Russell Dawkins (2 months ago)

I don't think this qualifies as a "hands on" as advertised. It's barely a "first look".
Whose hands were on it and what were the impressions?
Or perhaps I'm very old fashioned (Beyond the Fringe reference).

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FodgeandDurn
By FodgeandDurn (2 months ago)

I love it, and I'd love to have one, but if only the lens was say an F2.. I know it will be wonderfully sharp but I'd have enjoyed walking around at night with something that looks that cool..

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dccdp
By dccdp (2 months ago)

If this was an Apple product, 50% of the comments would have been "You're not holding it right".

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INzajeano
By INzajeano (2 months ago)

If you care about digital quality you will purchase this system. Far outshines any large format DSLR and Digital Medium format in terms of the look it gives you when used in the right conditions.. If you have never shot on large or medium format then you have no clue what I mean but if you have then need I say more!

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ob33315
By ob33315 (2 months ago)

I bet this will have superb IQ and decent price point, compared to those other "great" sensor cameras. The biggest challenge will be getting one once released. At this point I would love to see some photos, though. Come on DP, you can make it happen...:)

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kimsch
By kimsch (2 months ago)

Forget the design - show me the Pictures!

4 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

What were you planning to extract the raws with?

And raws are absolutely necessary to make any reasonable judgement about this camera and sensor.

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peter42y
By peter42y (2 months ago)

It looks the engineers in charge of the development of the camera did smoke weed in the morning they decided about its final design. I though DP cameras were supposed to be small. Look how huge the camera is !!! Besides the ugly grip does make the wholle thing even less pocketeable. Will it sell ? No.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Do you think people bought only DP Merrills because they were pocketable? Try less money than a SD1 Merrill, for starters, then there's the amazing colour at ISO 400 and below.

Who really cares, besides you, if you happen to think it ugly?

The question is does it handle well, and more importantly how's the IQ?

By the way have you seen this camera in person?

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ngiulillo
By ngiulillo (2 months ago)

for me is not bad. I think it's long for sensensore away from the heat that could develop during processing. I think that the longer you better vibration control and then there is a battery of cameras.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

People should not be so quick to judge. Just because it looks like an ink cartridge for an HP wide format printer, has a Foveon sensor with different pixel counts depending on the color, costs a lot and is made by Sigma doesn't mean it won't be outstanding.

4 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

You have pricing information?

1 upvote
JLSinEaston
By JLSinEaston (2 months ago)

Beautiful, elegant, refreshingly roomy and so perfectly uncluttered. And I bet it takes gorgeous photos.

4 upvotes
Osvaldo Cristo
By Osvaldo Cristo (2 months ago)

What a monstrosity!

4 upvotes
Erick L
By Erick L (2 months ago)

Looks like an office phone.

3 upvotes
pew pew
By pew pew (2 months ago)

I kinda like the minimalistic design, its growing on me, but could be a bit shorter.

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dg90
By dg90 (2 months ago)

Strange - the first time I saw this camera, I though "very interesting design".
But I thought this camera is much smaller and in this case I don´t get it, why they have added this big clunky grip. How´s the leverage? Can it be holded with one hand? :O

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Gesture
By Gesture (2 months ago)

Would have put a similar, short grip on the left side. Have the guts to carry the design to a better conclusion. Best: make it a lens swivel design.

1 upvote
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

Did anyone try to make a phone call with this thing?
It might just work.

7 upvotes
km25
By km25 (2 months ago)

Simga has a good camera in the DP1-3. But what is it? A point and shoot? Why make three different cameras. Make one camera and three lens. The Fuji line has so much more going for it.

2 upvotes
DanielFjall
By DanielFjall (2 months ago)

Never have I been so interested in a camera I'm not going to buy.

9 upvotes
T3
By T3 (2 months ago)

Is this now the largest fixed-lens "compact" camera in the market? It's certainly got to be the longest/widest.

I also wonder how it will feel/handle to shoot it in portrait orientation.

Well, at least it has one thing going for it: there's PLENTY of room for your fingers between the grip and the lens.

Too bad it doesn't make phone calls. It would make a great brick phone:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/08/31/article-1210159-063CF50E000005DC-828_468x638.jpg

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Tungsten Nordstein
By Tungsten Nordstein (2 months ago)

Oooh, it's too weird. Oooh it's too ugly. Ooooh, it's only a fixed lens. Ooooh, I don't believe the new sensor is any good. Ooooh, it hasn't got an EVF. Ooooh, my pockets are too small. Oooooh, you can't pick it up with one hand, Oooooh ,you can't pick it up with two hands. Oooooh, you can't pick it up with three hands. Ooooh. Sigma how dare you! Oooooh, Oooooh, Oooooh!

Summary of DPReview readers' opinions.

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PaulDavis
By PaulDavis (2 months ago)

You may be making fun of people complaining but the majority of your ooohs are all pretty valid concerns. I would guess the sensor is good though. Should I say Ahhh for that one?

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57even
By 57even (2 months ago)

How about "Ooooh they have completely lost the plot?"

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (2 months ago)

Oooh people complain a lot, including complaints about complainers.

1 upvote
L Tippett
By L Tippett (2 months ago)

Ooooh i bet it will take stunning images!

4 upvotes
EduPortas
By EduPortas (2 months ago)

I hope I'm wrong, but this thing just seems awkward to even pick-up. How do you place your right hand under it? I can do this with even a heavy DLSR, not with this hockey stick.

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webber15
By webber15 (2 months ago)

Anyone remember the 110 film cameras? I do..

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GodSpeaks
By GodSpeaks (2 months ago)

I do too, but I don't get the relevance.

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webber15
By webber15 (2 months ago)

Interesting how many people said the omd em1 was ugly,,what are they saying now!! Your a fickle lot...I like it...

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Geodesiq
By Geodesiq (2 months ago)

Well, give 'em credit for being different but no EVF, no moveable LCD; no thanks.

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57even
By 57even (2 months ago)

Nice one Sigma. This will instantly make every other camera on the shelf look more attractive.

5 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

What does the purported attractiveness of the box holding the sensor have to do with image quality? Or even functionality of the box?

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klopus
By klopus (2 months ago)

@57even - Have you ever saw Sigma camera on the shelf?

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webrunner5
By webrunner5 (2 months ago)

This thing is a total fail body wise. Where you suppose to hold it on the left side to pick it up?? Not always going to grab the lens.

I can't believe a LOT of people had to sign off on this and all said wow this is great. We will sell a bazillion of them. /facepalm.

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carlos roncatti
By carlos roncatti (2 months ago)

Why the heck no photos with the guy holding the camera showing a position that he will take photos with it?

13 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Gives a decent idea of the size.

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magneto shot
By magneto shot (2 months ago)

yeah , why. nobody bothered to hold the camera in actual usage position?

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Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
By Kendall Helmstetter Gelner (2 months ago)

You can see a video of someone holding/using it here, it actually ends up looking fairly easy to hold:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wOLfIJgSjRk

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TJM2
By TJM2 (2 months ago)

Disagree - he's using his finger and thumb tips to keep it in place - rather than the far stronger, more comfortable to use muscles in the palm. This in an intriguing object, but looks like a failure as a piece of industrial design.

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Fat69
By Fat69 (2 months ago)

try it with your own camera

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Stephen123
By Stephen123 (2 months ago)

That video shows one person using the camera with the weight of the camera on their pinky finger. The other person seems to be having an easier time, but they have their finger and thumb in surprisingly contorted positions. It looks like it may be a little more natural if you put the lcd a few inches from your face with your right forefinger pointing approximately straight up.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Kendall: Thanks for the link.

@Kendall + Stephen:

It would be nice to see someone try to get his or her palm (really the web between thumb and index finger) under the battery compartment, but of course in the video there's a power cord feeding into the body there, so the cord is interfering with how the body would be handled in the "real world".

So helpful, but not the most helpful video that I can imagine.

Still: The camera looks easy enough to handle and operate.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

TJM2:

Not sure the palm does most of the gripping of a camera the size of say the Fuji XE2--it's the fingers which grip into the palm.

Bigger cameras involve the palm more, like the Nikon D4.

As for the video, the power cord running into the base of the battery compartment interferes with some handling. So the video is not completely representational of handling this body.

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NancyP
By NancyP (2 months ago)

I found the DP2 Merrill unusable (slippery little brick) until I fitted it with a third party (Milich) L bracket/ grip combo. Now it is easy to hold.
Good news that the primitive LCD screens of the current Merrill series are to be replaced with better ones.

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EasyClick
By EasyClick (2 months ago)

Why don't they make an interchangeable lens system based on that sensor??? Literally a waste of resource.

6 upvotes
intruder61
By intruder61 (2 months ago)

the leica d-lux 6 in camo paint has zoom...lol

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

EasyC:

Um, have you heard of the SD1? I'm sure that something like that with this sensor is in the works. Yes I know that the SD1's sensor isn't quite APSC sized.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

No big deal but Is it really necessary, in a DPR article to say "Sigma also makes a line of cameras"? This is getting into Pop Photo territory, no?

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Boris
By Boris (2 months ago)

What was Sigma thinking?...none of my pockets are that big.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (2 months ago)

it's designed as such that cannot fit easily into a pocket.
so one will have to show the awkward camera off.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Boris:

Because all other APSC mirrorless cameras, easily fit in your particular pockets with a lens in place, right? The Nex 7? The Fuji XE2?

How about the Sony RX1? I guess that's kind of close to a pocket camera, and that's FF.

Canon GX1? Maybe a big pocket.

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OBI656
By OBI656 (2 months ago)

Try Hasselblad, that may fit you jeans ...

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (2 months ago)

I agree yabookie, it is simply too long.

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KAllen
By KAllen (2 months ago)

So a camera has to fit in a pocket to be any good?
I would of thought one that is easy to use and produces great images is top of the list. My phone fits in my pocket and is pretty good at taking pictures. All my other cameras and that's a lot don't fit in my pocket.

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Boris
By Boris (2 months ago)

My APSC Ricoh GR fits in any of my pockets and my DP2M fits in about 1/3 of my pockets...this DP2 won`t fit in any.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (2 months ago)

@Howa- the Ricoh GR sure fits. So does even the XE-1/2 with the Fuji pancake lens. Oh, and the Sigma DP2 also does :-)

Many don't, some do.

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (2 months ago)

@KAllen - "So a camera has to fit in a pocket to be any good?"
No, but one of the hallmarks of the DP line was small size.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Raist3d + Boris:

Look up the definition of the word “all”.

And you forgot that the Samsung NX100 with the 30mm lens is smaller than Fuji XE with a “pancake” lens.

If you look at the comments about the DP Merrills on the B+H website, battery life is listed as consistent problem.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (2 months ago)

Look on your right hand when you want to grab something. The camera has been built around this in a practical human way. New horizons open up when using new methods. The Sigma might be very unusual and conflicting with what we are conditioned to see and use.

Smart Sigma people have developed a totally new design to function. This demonstrates vision, strategy and progress. And I like their courage – we need more of this breed in our boring mainstream world.

I would like to pull this camera out and take photos. Because my right hand balances and operates.

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Gesture
By Gesture (2 months ago)

Being able to grab something and being able to hold on to it while using thumb and fingers to adjust controls are two different things. I just took a whole slew of cameras I ordinarily hold in the right hand with a grip projecting forward, turned them around and held with left hand and grip projecting backward. Much less comfortable.

This camera begs a swivel design a la early Coolpix cameras. Then, I would be excited about the design. As it stands, nothing special.

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gdfthr73
By gdfthr73 (2 months ago)

It may be ugly but from a usability standpoint it looks like it would fit quit nicely in the hand. I hope the UI reflects its physical usability philosophy.

8 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Gesture:

You've handled this Sigma?

If I pick up my Canon G2 and hold it with the lens facing me, my thumb grips the front grip nicely. Also I can move my thumb up and down without trouble and still retain my grip.

Do think you'd be doing a lot of one hand thumb activated adjustments? Answer: Unlikely, so your left hand would be holding the Sigma while your right thumb works the buttons.

And with this Sigma there's both a front and back grip--kind of amazing how many comments ignore the front bulge/grip on this Sigma.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (2 months ago)

@TomasSwitzerland "Look on your right hand when you want to grab something. The camera has been built around this in a practical human way"

Only if you are grabbing something with two fingers, like a dirty diaper.

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webrunner5
By webrunner5 (2 months ago)

Yeah but a Bean Bag Chair was designed in a practical human way.
But try and get out of it at age 60 after a few drinks.

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ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (2 months ago)

That's why doctors recommend to get drunk after taking photos.

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Gesture
By Gesture (2 months ago)

If this were the best ergonomic solution, why aren't more (any?) cameras designed similarly. There really is nothing special about the design. It is minimalist like many recent Sony and Samsung cameras. All the same buttons, icons, battery camber, door, strap lugs, hot shoe, lens platform, etc. everyone else uses. The potential was there with the extra real estate. At a minimum, for a high-level camera, how about dual card slots.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

Gesture:

Look at keyboard placement on a basic laptop.

It took years before Apple moved it up toward the screen, now it's obvious. But in the early 1990s, IBM, etc, were putting the keyboard at the front edge of the laptop.

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YCreature
By YCreature (2 months ago)

Small review from france with pictures.....
http://www.focus-numerique.com/cp-2014-rapide-prise-main-dp-quattro-news-5031.html

2 upvotes
YCreature
By YCreature (2 months ago)

another picture
http://i.gzn.jp/img/2014/02/13/dp-quattrocpplus2014/a22.jpg

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Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (2 months ago)

I wonder if the is the same lens design as the Sigma 30mm f2.8 lens for NEX. Still no good photos of people holding this thing...

0 upvotes
Erik Magnuson
By Erik Magnuson (2 months ago)

Different lens from the 30mm DN ART: 8 elements in 6 groups vs. 7 elements in 5 groups. Similar design for the back groups but different front groups (larger, more complex on dp lens).

1 upvote
justmeMN
By justmeMN (2 months ago)

"Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason" - Jerry Seinfeld

8 upvotes
pkeith
By pkeith (2 months ago)

First thoughts on seeing the picture of the leaks where cool a new DP1(myDP1 lens broke).
On seeing these "hands on picture" OMG that thing is frigin HUGE! Looks like something that was use to club baby seal to death with.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

6.4 inches is huge, it's as wide a big FF dslr.

So it has a nice big grip.

Now at that width, why not add a bit of height and a f2.0 lens?

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jennyrae
By jennyrae (2 months ago)

ask what you need height for?

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

jenny:

Just to make the body the same height as the diameter of the hypothetical faster lens, not really needed, but would make for better handling and grip--counter weight.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (2 months ago)

pkeith:

Writing from experience?

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (2 months ago)

Accepting the Quattro shape require breaking the mental barriers of usual and expected.
I've jig saw approximate shape from piece of wood and I'm surprised how quickly the initial confusion turned to acceptance and, in fact, delight with every consecutive try.
Of course, there is different weight distribution in camera with lens compared with a piece of wood without control layout but I would like to caution the first impressions reviewers from jumping the gun based on first grab.
Give this design time to sink in and you'll be surprised...

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JohnEwing
By JohnEwing (2 months ago)

Now that was a good idea. Gluing a couple of blocks together would do it, too.

How does that right-angled RH end fall into the hand? My guess is snugly under the bend of the fingers.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (2 months ago)

Initially, it felt awkward, just like grabbing NEX cam from the lens side, LCD pointing forward.
It is amazing how quickly hand can learn new configuration and actually appreciate the natural feel of it.

1 upvote
GeorgeD200
By GeorgeD200 (2 months ago)

Oops. disregard.

Comment edited 55 seconds after posting
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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

Well, if anyone should know about ergonomics, it's you, Richard. But even for Sigma, this seems rather weird.

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Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (2 months ago)

Not weird - different.
It'll take some mental adjustments to "unusual" that's all.
I'm still playing with my mock up and appreciate the design more and more. I'm sure that others will too if they approach the design with open mind.

0 upvotes
diolus
By diolus (2 months ago)

Here is a video..

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wOLfIJgSjRk

6 upvotes
Jon Ragnarsson
By Jon Ragnarsson (2 months ago)

Ah, now I get it! It's for selfies, you hold it in your left hand! :)

4 upvotes
christianjung
By christianjung (2 months ago)

I'm owning a DP1m. In terms of image quality in daylight conditions, this little thing easily crushes even full frame DLSRs. Expecting the DPxQ to be even better, who cares what it looks like?

14 upvotes
MikeF4Black
By MikeF4Black (2 months ago)

Dream on

5 upvotes
EssexAsh
By EssexAsh (2 months ago)

would have liked to see a pic of it being held and shot with. There does seem to be a lot of blank space on the case suggesting it could of been thinner.

1 upvote
TheDreamingWatchman
By TheDreamingWatchman (2 months ago)

Cameras have only a small hump at the back, but a big one at the front.
And there's a good reason for that. The reason is our hand.

But this one has the big hump on the back.

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Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
By Kendall Helmstetter Gelner (2 months ago)

"Cameras have only a small hump at the back, but a big one at the front And there's a good reason for that. "

Because companies like to follow the herd.

I don't recall many smartphones having that same characteristic, which is what most people use now for photos. If the Hump Design is the best one, why do smartphones and small compact cameras have no humps?

To me the Camera Hump is like the raised turbo scoop on the hood of a car lacking turbo...

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TheDreamingWatchman
By TheDreamingWatchman (2 months ago)

The hump has to be at the front, because your fingers can bend and can grab it.
The heel of hand cannot bend; therefore a camera needs to have a flat surface at the back.
It's as simple as that.

Why do small cameras have no humps?
Why do small cameras not have big lenses?
Because they are meant to be small!

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