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Readers' Choice: Best Gear of 2013 Awards

By dpreview staff on Feb 3, 2014 at 08:05 GMT
Best Lens of 2013 - Winner: Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM | Art
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Best Lens of 2013 - Winner: Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 DC HSM | Art

Garnering more than a quarter of the total votes cast in our poll for best lens, the Sigma 18-35mm is was convincing winner in this category, and one that attracted a lot of praise from you. A technical tour-de-force, the 18-35mm F1.8 is fast, sharp and affordable, offering APS-C photographers a viable alternative to the kind of bright-aperture standard zooms that have been available to full-frame shooters for a while.

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762
I own it
626
I want it
183
I had it
Discuss in the forums
986
I own it
687
I want it
139
I had it
Discuss in the forums
308
I own it
610
I want it
49
I had it
Discuss in the forums
185
I own it
439
I want it
20
I had it
Discuss in the forums
517
I own it
340
I want it
91
I had it
Discuss in the forums

Comments

Total comments: 217
techmine
By techmine (2 months ago)

All winners are at the top end of their price range (some are over the top like Sony's P&S). What does it mean? Nobody makes cheaper best sellers? Sigma lens is probable the exception. I read somewhere fast zoom lenses are actually expensive to make.

0 upvotes
Zenjitsuman
By Zenjitsuman (2 months ago)

No Canon or Nikon on the list. I own Sony Nex 5n an Olympus ep5 and a Nikon d7100. I like them all. I would say of what I own and use, the D7100 is the best all around camera. Its not on the list.

Congradulations to the companies who won, clearly there is a shift from the second tier to the top.

Maybe its time for Canikon to have mirrorless.

0 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

None of your cameras are on the list.

The NEX5 and E-P5 were minor blips in the mirrorless poll where the E-M1 fought with the twin Sony A7's and won that battle easily and decisively.

The Nikon D7100 fared better in the DSLR poll, but still came in third, behind the Canon 70D and the Pentax K3 (DSLR of the year).

0 upvotes
saradindubose
By saradindubose (2 months ago)

Great to see PENTAX being recognised at last!!! - Pentax cameras are always user friendly. 7 years ago I had purchased K10D - because of its solid construction and weather sealed body - still going strong . K3 is also very handy and well designed - its very compact with 18-135 kit lens. - Can anyone give me some idea about the lens performance?

3 upvotes
Leandros S
By Leandros S (2 months ago)

Word on the street is that it's better than you'd expect given the rather large zoom range. Check out these threads:

http://www.dpreview.com/search/forums?query=18-135&forum=1036&only-threads=yes&only-titles=yes

1 upvote
b craw
By b craw (2 months ago)

So amid the grease wrestling over this versus that (and I like grease wrestling), we see the splendor of an imperfect democracy award the shiniest of blue ribbons. My take away: despite talk of an imperiled industry, there were some really wonderful tools released this last year. It wasn't that long ago that m4/3 seemed to be losing its luster, but alas some breath. Sony goes FF interchangeable lens mirrorless at a price certainly shy of astronomical. Fuji continues to gain following with their manual control dials and sharp looking and performing cameras. Pentax garners a little new found love for the DSLR. Samsung, hit and miss, still building momentum with a very capable and underrated NX300. Canon and Nikon...well they are still good cameras. And on and on.

How did we ever make images 5 years ago? Quite well. And those cameras, observed for what they could do, served our photographic needs very well. So whether you bought something new this year or chose to ride an old horse, enjoy what you have, do what you will - you needn't chase every technological rainbow to produce excellent photography. That said, it is good to be excited about such rainbows now and again. And, I thank DPR, and members, for being there in such times for me. Some lags in review times, Amazon string-pulling - please, it is what it is and we are what we are. Leave the rest behind.

I hope you all enjoy your photography in the coming year.

6 upvotes
Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

Thank you, b craw, a kindred spirit :-) A photographer embraces the day, a gear junkie impatiently waits for the tomorrow that may never come. My D800E packing buddy states (with conviction) that many of his best pics were taken with his venerable D70. Some people may never understand that. ;-)

2 upvotes
Leandros S
By Leandros S (2 months ago)

It's BECAUSE the industry is imperiled that "there were some really wonderful tools released", not in spite of it.

0 upvotes
b craw
By b craw (2 months ago)

Leandros S:
True. But this struggling condition has been a reality for years now, and yet recent years have brought less innovation, and excitement, to the market. A decline in profits does not necessarily lead to innovation; without proper capitalization R+D can be restricted, so long term planning is needed. As one example, Olympus, along with Panasonic, lead the way into mirrorless (m4/3) several years ago and yet this fiscal year is the first projected profit in its camera division, albeit somewhat modest, in the last few years. As you probably know, Olympus makes the vast majority of its money in medical imaging technology - quite successfully. And they are just one of the current camera making companies that make money elsewhere (although Sony seems to be hemorrhaging across all divisions). My point is that innovation is not a given. It is not easy to justify proper investment to shareholders, particularly amid loses. So, yes, in theory, present circumstance promotes better products, but it is not guaranteed to come in the form of bold innovation. This year we saw the closest thing to bold innovation and substantive improvements in some time.

0 upvotes
Leandros S
By Leandros S (2 months ago)

The problem with your view is that you think that there's a simple process by which money is turned into innovation. Nothing could be further from the truth. People create innovation, and when people fear their jobs might be lost, they innovate faster. It's to do with how the brain works, not how the money markets work.

0 upvotes
boggis the cat
By boggis the cat (2 months ago)

Really?

So... why don't they just threaten to sack the super-high paid CEOs and the like instead of giving then millions "because they need to retain their talent"?

0 upvotes
Pixnat2
By Pixnat2 (2 months ago)

Today, every cameras are amazing, but nobody's happy!

No matter which brand you use, they are all capable of great pictures in the right hands.

4 upvotes
Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

Yep. And until that particular penny drops people will continue to be unhappy even after they buy a Phase One..."golly gee the af isn't all it should be" etc etc

0 upvotes
Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (2 months ago)

I am very happy with my old outdated E-P3 and know some people who are happy with there (old) gear.

0 upvotes
ProfHankD
By ProfHankD (2 months ago)

Hmm. Given the option, people like things that cost about $1200-$1400. Is that the magic "more expensive than my stuff, so better, but not so expensive that I can't imaging owning one" price? ;-)

0 upvotes
Leandros S
By Leandros S (2 months ago)

So, about that K-3 review that's been promised time and again...?

4 upvotes
Sergey Borachev
By Sergey Borachev (2 months ago)

This is so funny, but also serious, when you see that Olympus, Fuji, Pentax and Sigma products exciting the readers here. The big makers, Nikon and Canon, show that you can make money by selling older technology products cheap to the masses and to those shackled to their lenses or rather their old mounts. This shows that not everybody can afford to switch or afford the latest and the best for their needs.

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7 upvotes
Alexis D
By Alexis D (2 months ago)

The Canon users in particular are an interesting bunch. They keep buying cameras with 5 year old sensors, that are inferior in DR to even smaller format cameras, and for Canon APS-C users, they keep buying those ordinary lenses!

1 upvote
pdelux
By pdelux (2 months ago)

But How long can it last, as a new breed of photogs move up, the old dogs retire.... Canon And Nikon need to wake up before its too late... RIP. KODAK.

2 upvotes
tko
By tko (2 months ago)

Very funny indeed. One nice FF, own it for 5-years, half the yearly cost of a tiny sensor camera that will go obsolete in 2-years, while providing double the performance. Maybe Canon/Nikon owners know something?

Half the people here are whining their cameras are going obsolete. The other half are whining their sensor isn't the latest and great. Go figure.

1 upvote
theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (2 months ago)

The basic SLR principle is old technology, but Nikon in particular have been pretty good at offering the latest sensors, with options for RAW bit depths and lossy/lossless compression. I'm not finding much yesteryear about my D7100 anyway, although I'll grant that in real world photography, the actual image quality isn't exactly streets ahead of my D7000, released way back when in 2010!! :D

0 upvotes
Creke01
By Creke01 (2 months ago)

Innovation will win out in the end. It always does, whether you are talk camera or anything else. Nikon and Canon have done very little to advance their systems .... Unless using bright red plastic instead of the regular black can be see as innovative. They need to respond to the mirror-less market and soon. The times they are a changing!

1 upvote
Creke01
By Creke01 (2 months ago)

I own both the EM1 and the A7. Both are great cameras depending on what you are after. I can say after using the EM1 and then switching to the the A7 you feel like you are taking pictures in slow motion. The EM1 is just flat out faster at everything. The A7 has that big sensor that is more forgiving but those huge files come at a cost. Like I said up front they are both great cameras. A ff sensor does not guaranteed a great camera and a smaller sensor does not make it a bad one. There are traded off on both sides!

13 upvotes
pdelux
By pdelux (2 months ago)

Get out of here with your LOGIC and COMMON SENSE!

7 upvotes
Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

Suggesting that it's more about the photographer than the equipment is tantamount to heresy on a DPR forum. I think you need to make yourself scarce for a while. I know, go out and take pictures with your cameras, no one will think of looking for you there ;-)

3 upvotes
sderdiarian
By sderdiarian (2 months ago)

"The final poll was a pretty tight race between the Fujifilm X100S, Pentax K-3 and Olympus OM-D E-M1, but the E-M1 just edged out its two closest competitors, garnering 32.8% of the vote. The X100S and K-3 were almost too close to call, garnering 19.9% and 20.6% of the total vote respectively."

Pretty tight race? Just edged out? And Seattle just squeaked by the Broncos? Must be the new math ;-) .

6 upvotes
Mario G
By Mario G (2 months ago)

I'm not really getting all this hype about the E-M1. Sure it's good, but it just seems to me an incremental upgrade over the (great) E-M5, with the most significant upgrade being the price (now above Full Frame mirrorless! £1300 vs Sony A7 £1230). I could see it being very excellent only for the niche of legacy Four Thirds lenses users.

I don't see it significantly different than the GX7 (with pros and cons on both sides) which is around half of its price. Within MFT, I find the Pana GM1 much more interesting and groundbreaking. Within Mirrorless in general, what's really groundbreaking is the Sony A7(R) - Full Frame at the same price and camera size as this Micro Four Thirds!

9 upvotes
Ayoh
By Ayoh (2 months ago)

Agreed. Most mirror-less cameras are significantly overpriced, considering how much simpler they are to manufacture than DSLRs. The E-M1 being more expensive than the k-3 or D7100 is bit of a joke.

12 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

True, Fuji and Olympus cameras seem expensive for what they are. Sony's are more reasonable with a FF A7 being £1200 in the UK.

3 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (2 months ago)

One thing I've noticed about 4/3 in general is that you pay more for the crop factor. An example would be the 70-300 lens for 4/3 that is badged Olympus but manufactured by Sigma (or at least it seems very, very likely that it is). That lens was more expensive in 4/3 than Nikon, Canon, etc., because you got 140-600mm instead of 105-450. Yes, that is a RIDICULOUS way of looking at it, but it is how the manufacturers look at it.

It is pretty easy with an Oly or Panny camera and two kit lenses to cover 28-300mm equivalent, and that is part of the price. Heck, getting out to 600mm is not too tough with m43. The crop factor is an advantage from one point of view, despite the ceaseless trolling about FF cameras on here. So... you can get your foot in the door pretty easily with the Sony A7, and it is a fantastic camera, but when you start talking about lenses it is tough to get that Sony from 28-600mm without spending a lot of money, even if you're willing to carry the weight around.

1 upvote
Ayoh
By Ayoh (2 months ago)

That crop factor advantage is a poor marketing ploy used by manufacturers as "reach" only really depends on the pixel size of the sensor and not the sensor size. As the resolution in larger formats goes up, so does their "equivalent" telephoto focal length. With 24MP APS-C sensors there is no benefit to a 16MP 4/3 sensor.

3 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (2 months ago)

Ayoh,

I pretty strongly disagree with you. Take my Canon SX230HS, which is something like 480mm equivalent at the long end (I'm guessing; I don't remember exactly), but has a very tiny sensor, something like 1/2.7 (again, I'm guessing, but it is something like that).

There is NO WAY that you are getting a picture of a bird as detailed as I can with that camera at 480mm equivalent, by cropping a 1/2.7 part of a full frame sensor using a 25mm lens. It doesn't work that way. You've been sold a bill of goods. The principle is the same with APS-C and m43, or any other two formats. A longer crop factor is an advantage. It may be cancelled by other disadvantages, but it is still an advantage. There are good reasons to prefer APS-C or FF over m43, but this hogwash about being able to crop a much lower focal length and get the same detail isn't one of them.

1 upvote
Ayoh
By Ayoh (2 months ago)

What if your full frame sensor had the same pixel size as your small sensor - it would have the same resolution hence same "reach" with a lens of a given focal length. The only reason it is not currently done is due to camera processor limits which would struggle with 100-200MP full frame sensors. But with each generation the resolution goes up..

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1 upvote
bobbarber
By bobbarber (2 months ago)

No, it still wouldn't work, and here's why. Even with 32 megapixels on a full frame sensor, you have to struggle to get more detail than with 24 megapixels on a full frame sensor. You need the best lenses and tripods there are, and even then you have to pixel peep to see the difference. Check out dpreview's reviews of these cameras. They are very cautious in their statements about being able to get more detail.

As your pixel count goes up, it becomes correspondingly harder to stabilize your camera, IF you are expecting the kind of detail that you are talking about. Let's say that you have 10 pixels in a row. You shake your camera in a minor way while taking the picture. It is almost enough to blue one pixel, but doesn't. If you put 100 pixels where those 10 were, you blur 10 pixels with the same shake! The picture is not LESS detailed then before (when down-scaled), but not MORE detailed either.

1 upvote
mrdancer
By mrdancer (2 months ago)

I think m43 is overpriced because it is still a relatively new format, and mfrs. are still recouping their R&D costs. Prices should go down as more units are sold and as new, more capable models are released. I wouldn't expect the lenses to drop as much in price, though.

0 upvotes
RonHendriks
By RonHendriks (2 months ago)

It's time for the indepth review for the K-3!

18 upvotes
waxwaine
By waxwaine (2 months ago)

Right!
Come'n Dpr, I asure you Canikon will keep enough sells

1 upvote
forpetessake
By forpetessake (2 months ago)

The Pentax has great colors. Sony has reasonably good colors. The rest? -- just your average P&S.

4 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

Yeah, Pentax k-50 available in what, 500 colors? ;-)

6 upvotes
InTheMist
By InTheMist (2 months ago)

Best I've seen is Fuji - and this from a dedicated Nikon shooter!

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1 upvote
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

Colours are personal preference - keep in mind that ot every one sees colours the same way! People have different ratio of the colour sensors in their retinas and have different sensitivity to different colours. And on top of this "hardware" issue people have different preference to colours. Some people are also believed to be tetrachromats and able to see much more colours.
My colour preference is:
Nikon
Pentax
Sony

5 upvotes
Leandros S
By Leandros S (2 months ago)

Among "affordable" cameras tested by imaging-resource, the Samsung NX300 currently seems to have the best IMAtest score for faithful sRGB JPEG colour reproduction - correct me if there's a better camera I missed that costs less than a new car.

0 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

The awards given to Fuji and Olympus should be renamed to the "Retro Fetish Awards"

4 upvotes
deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

Really? That Olympus is 100% state of the art modern!

10 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

Yeah, right, modern like 1970's?

4 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (2 months ago)

Last time I looked my 70's SLR did not have IBIS or an EVF... The styling is irrelevant IMO. Even then, I must admit that I prefer "retro" styling to the shapeless ugly black blobs that most modern cameras have become.

4 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

I myself admire the engineering and design put into some of the 60's 70's and 80's cameras.
One of the biggest leaps in the industry and a piece of art is the 1972 Olumpus OM1 (and lens system).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_OM-1
Also the Olympus Pen F with its ingenious design
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympus_Pen_F
...
Unfortunately their LAST big camera was released in the distant 1986, the OM 4 Titanium!

1 upvote
Ricardo Maia
By Ricardo Maia (2 months ago)

DPR forum here, not a smartphone forum...

0 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (2 months ago)

DPR spends a lot of its time being a smartphone forum these days.Lets not forget that more pictures are taken using smartphiones than cameras now. Thats never gonna change

0 upvotes
Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

LOL, the K3 is the best DSLR! Can you spell ballot stuffing? If only the votes can translate themselves into actual customers, Pentax has hope.

3 upvotes
BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

I people could only cast votes for cameras & lenses they own, kit lenses and entry-level models would win every category and the product that very released earlier in the year would have a huge advantage...
Should the D7100 or 70D be considered better cameras because there are more people with Nikon and Canon lenses out there?

I'd hope that people voted as if the question was:
"Which of these things would you buy based on its own merits?
(Regardless of prior investments in any particular system/mount and without budget constraints but with price/performance-relation still being a factor)"

In addition, you might consider how much of an improvement over previous products each candidate represents.

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8 upvotes
BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

I would have picked the D610 over the K-3 on it's own merits but I voted for the K-3 because the D610 is just a minor tweak of last year's D600 while the K-3 is a substantial improvement over it's predecessors and the best APS-C DSLR to date (it follows the same concept as the K-5(II) but the tech inside is all new and addresses all the major shortcommings of the K-5(II)).

5 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (2 months ago)

And it should be noted that more than one other website has reported that K3 image quality and DR is, overall, at least equal and in come cases BETTER than the FF D610 and Canon 5D3.

And I don't even own a K3..

1 upvote
Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

I will buy a bridge before I buy the claim that the K3 has better image quality than the D610 or 5D3. I bet there are tests that show the D610 having higher image quality than the Pentax 645D. I won't buy that either.

0 upvotes
topstuff
By topstuff (2 months ago)

Its not hard to find. Google is your friend. And it is not hard to imagine either. The lack of an AA filter in the K3 could bridge some of the gap to the 5D3, with a decent processing engine helping as well. In truth though, I think we all know that "ultimate" IQ is a pointless search now and we are at the time of diminishing returns. I bet you could put K3 and D610 images side by side in large print and a random sample could not pick out which was which..

1 upvote
Rocky Mtn Old Boy
By Rocky Mtn Old Boy (2 months ago)

Agree, Topstuff. For fun, I'd like the A7R in that match-up. ;-)

2 upvotes
Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (2 months ago)

MeThinks that there is some confusion over the meaning of the term "Reader's Choice" ... perhaps it would help to use a synonym like "most owners" or "largest fan base" or something like that ...

This is not to discount the value of joining the largest community if that is what floats your boat, but let's be clear that this is not a result of a technical comparison or review. That seems to be a rare occurrence of late as has been pointed out by a few. But even when they do occur, I rarely agree with them anyway as they are subjective according to requirements that are not mine.

2 upvotes
bobbarber
By bobbarber (2 months ago)

Just checking--

Those of us who expected "Reader's Choice" to indicate that people would choose their favorite camera based on personal prejudices, what they own, etc. are confused about terminology, whereas you, who apparently expected "Reader's Choice" to signal a technical review, have some special insight that the rest of us lack.

Did I get that right?

I pretty much voted for my favorite. Sorry if I went about it the wrong way.

6 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

I don't own any of the gear in this poll, yet I ended up voting for most of them in the previous polls. I would not a buy a Pentax K3 or a Sony RX100, but I can recognize excellence when I see it.

9 upvotes
Just Ed
By Just Ed (2 months ago)

Agreed, it really is just a reflection of what products DP hypes the most.

0 upvotes
Olymore
By Olymore (2 months ago)

I'm not aware of DPReview hyping the Pentax K3. It's one of the few cameras in the list they haven't yet tested.
Yet it won.
Maybe people like myself who have never owned a Pentax can recognise that they produce some of the nicest and most innovative DSLRS around

2 upvotes
Just Ed
By Just Ed (2 months ago)

How so if you don't have any hands on experience. Tech specs and anything new and different seem to be what DP hypes rather than actual usability.

0 upvotes
James A Rinner
By James A Rinner (2 months ago)

I find it amusing that the author states "the E-M1 just edged out its two closest competitors, garnering 32.8% of the vote" when it actually got 37.2% more votes than the K-3 and 39.3% more votes than the X100S. Basically for every 2 votes the K-3 or the X100S got, the E-M1 got 3.

I would call it more of a landslide!

7 upvotes
jeremybarton
By jeremybarton (2 months ago)

I own the E-M 5 it does everything i need it to do! i sold my2 Nikon because of that ! Olympus E-M 10 is on order!

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4 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

Man, you are getting old, no other explanation for your retro-fetish taking over.

2 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

Maybe he just likes a good camera, regardless of how it looks like?

4 upvotes
forpetessake
By forpetessake (2 months ago)

Man, you're not in the shrink's office, it's DPR here!

2 upvotes
Mark B UK
By Mark B UK (2 months ago)

Coming a year after its predecessor the E-M5 won the same award, the E-M1 shows how much the OMD line has done to win mass acceptance of m43 among enthusiasts. IMO DSLRs had simply become too big and heavy. Were I in product planning at Canikon my main priority would be to launch quality models, not just entry-level, that address these objections. It might also require a redesign of many of the lenses.

5 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

It also explains the form factor for the DF, X-T1 and A7(r).

2 upvotes
Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

actually I find that there are far too many Olympus fans in this community, who swear that it smells good when Olympus farts.

7 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

I might be repeating myself, but this is the vote of many RETRO-CAMERA-FETISHISTS out there.

... and Fuji and Olympus taking advantage of that.

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1 upvote
Mark B UK
By Mark B UK (2 months ago)

@ Anastigmat: too many Olympus fans? A smarter person would be asking themselves why so many people are fans of that brand at this time. Maybe because it is. Developing cameras that people really want to own...

@ Everlast, equally, the success of the OMD and X100S and recent launches such as the DF and X-T1 surely indicate that the smaller, metal-bodied, more dial-driven style of camera is welcomed by a sizeable chunk of the camera-buying community. You may not share those preferences; that's fine, there are other products for you. But no need to insult those who do.

4 upvotes
Everlast66
By Everlast66 (2 months ago)

Mark, I am not denying the qualities of the camras, but there are psychological factors in peoples' voting for one or another camera here. Ok the original Fuji X100 in 2010 was interesting with its hybrid viewfinder and retro styling, but four years later and counless cameras from Fuji and Oly that explored every aspect of the 70's camera design we are still stuck at the same design repeating over and over with minor variations. Fuji and Oly just accidentally struck gold as they didn't expect the proportions of this retro camera fetish. And now even Samsung and Nikon are trying their luck, should we encourage this?
There can be small metal cameras with manual controls without being retro! Even conservative Leica is staying aside from this momentous fashion.

1 upvote
Olymore
By Olymore (2 months ago)

One minute we're being told that Olympus is going to leave the camera market because their sales are so low and the next minute all the Olympus fans have joined DPReview.
Considering the majority of Olympus owners are non native English speaking and their sales are comparatively low in the English speaking world then you've got to admire how Olympus USA and EU managed to rally everybody to vote here.

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2 upvotes
slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (2 months ago)

The Sigma is a little surprise to me, but why not. It shows how highly regarded (overhyped maybe?) is lens speed today - in spite of the huge advancement in high ISO performance. But I must give it to Signa that it went to direction other did not dare (or bother).

Pentax must have done something right if they managed to beat Nikon and Canon by such a large margin. But maybe it is that Nikon and Canon users care less ;)

3 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

Nikon has had myriad problems its DSLR's in the last 2 years and Canon still suffers with old sensor tech. Both have given the cold shoulder to mirror-less.

7 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

I own both Nikon and Canon and I agree with RichRMA completely.

3 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

The biggest surprise is how poorly the Sigma does in the "I own it" and "I want it" categories. The lens is supposed to finally fix a very big shortcoming in APS-C DSLR's, yet the demand is just ok if those stats are to be believed.

0 upvotes
Rolo King
By Rolo King (2 months ago)

Maybe because many are in the same position as I am: "Want it but can't buy it." In my case, I have big expenses coming up, but even if my finances could allow it, I'd still have to wait as the local stores are always out of the lens in Nikon mount and still not available for Pentax last I checked.

0 upvotes
BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

The 18-35 was first introduced on mounts that have a FF-option, it's much more useful and needed on the APS-C-only mounts with IBIS (Pentax & Sony). Same goes for other APS-C lenses like the new version of the 30/1.4 that they didn't release in K-mount while they DID release the 35/1.4 in K-mount. Meanwhile, they discontinued the K-mount version of the 8-16...

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

Sony A-mount is not APS-C-only.
And Sigma 18-35 won because it broke (if by a hair) the previous record for a zoom fixed aperture, the one held by Olympus 4/3 f/2 zooms and nobody else (not even point-and-shoots with tiny sensors have f/2 in the whole range).

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Right, my bad, I I was thinking of FF-dslRs.
Btw, the Sigma beats the Olympus f/2 zooms by a lot more than a hair. The Olympus zooms are quivalent to f/4 on 35mm, the Sigma is equivalent to f/2.7 on 35mm (on Nikon/Pentax/Sony APS-C).
CaNikon shooters have a lot of FF-options, Sony A users have some and Pentax users have none. On Sony and Pentax APS-C, IBIS gets the 18-35 closer to the 24-70/2.8 IS/VR lenses on FF.

So, overall Pentax K-mount (and to a lesser degree Sony A-mount) is where the 18-35 makes the most sense but it's the last mount that it get's released on...

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pdelux
By pdelux (2 months ago)

Yes sigma is a couple stops Faster thank the zuiko thats for sure. But to imply that the SIGMA beats the Zuiko zooms by a fair margin might be a little unbelievable. Sigma of late has been making some Awesome lenses, but the ZUIKOs are unrivalled in their optics unfortunately with a price to match. Telecentric design giving corner to corner sharpness and also weather sealed for the SHG zooms.

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (2 months ago)

There's more to life than speed. I chose the Sigma for its astonishingly high sharpness, incredibly minor chromatic aberrations, minimal distortion, and excellent colour and contrast. And for the quality on offer, it's an absolute bargain. I wish it was a little bit lighter, but the f/1.8 aperture and the correction I so appreciate comes at a price in lots of glass!!

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showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (2 months ago)

I don't believe that DPR ever asserted that these are scientific surveys. With all their limitations though, with almost 30K voters they do offer a fun view of the readers' sentiments. I am glad that what wins is actually common sense. We know what to expect from FF cameras but innovation in that sector has been slow recently. As a mostly outdoor photographer, I find that the truly exciting stuff has been happening in the mirror-less category, including the new 4/3 models and the FF Sony A7. Feature sets and IQ have been going up while size and weight remain contained or are shrinking. IMO, Pentax is not an overall replacement for Canon or Nikon vast systems but keeps producing a limited number of APS-C models with killer characteristics and performance at unbeatable prices - just check out what the K50 offers, including a 79 points DxO sensor, for about $500 -. The dedicated lens selection is 1st class too with its great choice of primes.

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Anastigmat
By Anastigmat (2 months ago)

Of course they are not scientific. Olympus and Pentax are two of the brands selling the least cameras, and they were voted best. You know there is a lot of ballot stuffing involved. If these people have to buy a camera they voted every time they vote, the results would be different. There are probably more Canon 6D owners than there are voters of the Olympus and Pentax combined.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Would you like to guess how many 700Ds and D5300s are out the?

If people only get to vote for stuff they own, kit lenses and entry-level models will dominate all categories and the products that were release earlier in the year will have a huge advantage.

You'd basically be asking people which of their DSLRs that they bought within the last year (who would even buy more than one per year?) is their favourite...

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Olymore
By Olymore (2 months ago)

Anastigmat, maybe people can recognise quality cameras from other brands than the one they own. I voted in every category for the most innovative and well rounded camera. i.e the one I would most like to own even though I cannot justify owning them all.
Surely that's a better way than fanboyism.

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RichRMA
By RichRMA (2 months ago)

The average Nikon and Canon buyer buy on name and most are oblivious to the issues suffered by both or alternatives out there.

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Frank C.
By Frank C. (2 months ago)

m4/3 = poor dof control. I would never buy m4/3 just because of that, FX is ok, DX is borderline, m4/3 is plain ol' bad

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Josh Bailey
By Josh Bailey (2 months ago)

oh man, can you please elaborate on why it is poor DOF control? I was about to make my first camera an e-m10.

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

Noted for future reference.

So Medium format by Hasselblad or Phase One. I just have to sell the house to afford either one.

Thanks!

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showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (2 months ago)

Dear JB, Frank C. forgot to explain that shallow depth of field, which gets shallower and blurs the background more with the increased size of the sensor, is paramount to him personally. Millions of photographers (including me with my award-winning fine art photography) are very happy with the other side of the coin: increased dof for the same f/stop, the ability to stay closer to the lens IQ sweet spot (f/5.6, f/8) and avoid extreme f/stops (f/16 or f/22) were diffraction rules and kills sharpness. If I need shallow dof with my m4/3 and APS-C gear, I do not mind just using a longer lens. The E-M10 looks like an excellent first camera to me (quality/size/weight/price balance), and it comes with a comprehensive selection of dedicated lenses which you would greatly appreciate as your technique grows.

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Kim Letkeman
By Kim Letkeman (2 months ago)

Such a specious comment. DOF is under your control, and with fast lenses and appropriate management of subject to background distance ratio, you can get as creamy a background as you desire. The ultra thin DOF look is overused and the assumption that m4/3 is bad while APS-C is marginal is frankly lazy thought. After cropping both to 8x10 for portraits etc, you end up realizing that there is about a 1/3 stop difference in crop factor against Canon APS and about .44 stops against Nikon APS. I.e. nothing to wring your hands over.

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deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

The strong point of m4/3 is it allows excellent depth of field control without compromising on shutter speed or sensitivity (~noise). It's at a very sweet point where subject isolation is easy but you can still get good (more is usually better) depth of field without too much trouble.

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desmond2046
By desmond2046 (2 months ago)

How can you get this conclusion solely by the sensor size without considering the lens attached? There are more choices of native fast lenses for m43 than for apsc.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

FF has f/2.8 zooms and f/1.4 primes (and one AF f/1.2).

APS-C has f/4 equivalent zooms (and one f/2.7 equiv. zoom) and f/2.1 equivalent primes (and one AF f/1.8 equiv. prime).

m43 has the old and expensive Olympus f/4 equiv. zooms, the current f/5.6 equiv. zooms and f/2.8 equiv. primes (and one AF f/2.4 equiv prime).

m43 has fast lenses but they aren't fast enough to counteract the crop factor...

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Olymore
By Olymore (2 months ago)

I spent most of the time in the film days using apertures of F8 or smaller. Not the best apertures to use to get the best out of the lens.
There used to be articles in the photo magazines explaining how to use hyperfocal focusing to get more DOF
Now, with m43 I get the same results with F4 or F5.6 which is generally around the lens sweet spot.
Things have got better as far as I'm concerned.

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Stanchung
By Stanchung (2 months ago)

Trolls detected.

Plenty of control, just use the appropriate lens.

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pdelux
By pdelux (2 months ago)

I think Boris has forgotten the Voigtlander F0.95 Trinity of primes, SLR MAGIC also make T0.95 lenses and some F1.4, 1.6
Sure the lowest DOF is equiv to FF 1.9 - but one thing that M43 can do is hoot wide open with decent sharpness, as FF large aperture lenses often need to be stopped down.

Theres a price for less size and less weight, DOF control is less per F STOP, but LOW LIGHT possibilities are increased!

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

I didn't forget them, desmond spoke of "native fast lenses" and I wouldn't consider non-AF lenses as native on an AF-centric camera.

I also forgot the Canon AF 50/1.0 and the a couple of f/1.2 and f/0.95 lenses on M-mount.

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (2 months ago)

No adapter needed? Lenses perform exactly as they were designed to do (no weird crop factor, no missing function on certain cameras)? Then they're native lenses.

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elf kerben
By elf kerben (2 months ago)

So Nikon now ur turn. I bought a lot of lenses and cameras and also this little crippled v1 (ok only for video), where is my D400?

Yes i also have also D700 or F6 but i will never buy some of these crippled D7xxx or D5xxx. ATM u have time and i hope my D700 is working, but if it fails … maybe i change. and will only keeping my 85/1,4 and 17-35/2,8 for slide and family.

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drummercam
By drummercam (2 months ago)

Snippets: "I am glad that the value of Pentax is finally recognized. Now let's review it."

"So now the K3 has officially won the dslr section, can DPR finally spare a reviewer?"

Even in announcing that the Pentax K-3 won the poll, DPR could not resist pointing out that K-50 and K-500 "got no love." One might have expected that in the short three or four sentences spared for these announcements, that all the sentences would have been devoted to winning item. In adding the unnecessary smack-down of the K-50/K-500, DP Review simply further exposes their bias against the Giant Killer, Pentax. They just don't want the giants slain.

As for their upcoming review of the K-3, it can add nothing to what actual users of the K-3 already have discovered for themselves; namely, the reasons why it won this poll so convincingly (and please don't tell me that Pentax has more gearheads and fanboys that Canikon). DPR has already missed on this one.

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onlooker
By onlooker (2 months ago)

> and please don't tell me that Pentax has more gearheads and fanboys that Canikon

Small players' fanboys often are more vocal. That's just human nature. When you feel threatened or marginalized, you shout a lot.

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (2 months ago)

It's a great rant, I have to admit, but as usual the accusations of bias conveniently ignore the praise we've heaped on every camera in this particular Pentax line. We've given Gold Awards to the K-5, K-5 II and K-5 IIs, and before them the K-7 was Highly Recommended. I can't quite see how that fits into this particular conspiracy theory.

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Frank C.
By Frank C. (2 months ago)

correct, still waiting for Pentax review....

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topstuff
By topstuff (2 months ago)

Indeed, considering this site is called DP REVIEW, it is surprising just how little reviews are actually published.

There is now a considerable swage of popular, established cameras and lenses that have been in the market for some time and have not had any more than a "first impressions" from DPR.

DPR need to have a long hard think about their mission. There is no point in pretending they are a review site if reviews are not quickly responsive to the market.

DPR need to hire some testing Gimps. Shut them in a room with cameras and not let them out until DPR has caught up with the backlog.

Frankly, DPR should be pushing out reviews of new gear every couple of days. They are failing to do this. If this is simply because they lack the staff, then hire more people. If they don't want to do that, then quit pretending they are a review site. As long as large amounts of gear remain unreviewed, they are failing in their core purpose...

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (2 months ago)

I assume that you'll be taking out our Platinum membership to pay for all these people I'm supposed to hire.

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deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

Yeah, it makes me chuckle. Most of us who use this site, me included, are freeloaders. A few years ago, we bought magazines to learn about new camera gear and that money paid for staff etc. Now we get it for nothing! My suggestion to those who complain that they are not getting what they (don't) pay for is go to a subscribed site and complain there.

Seriously, be grateful people.

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topstuff
By topstuff (2 months ago)

If you can't keep up with the pace of gear coming out ( Pentax K3 for example has been in stores for what seems like aeons now ) then either stop pretending to be an up to the minute gear review site, or reassign / replace people doing other stuff....

The whole point of the Gearshop is that people can buy "your favourite gear"... the idea being that we read a review on DPR then use DPR to buy the gear you review.... if you don't get around to actually reviewing the gear while it is new and interesting, then that particular business model is rather flawed.... people are not going to buy "your favourite gear" using gearshop when they have to go to other sites to read a review, are they....?

If a site that actually did detailed reviews of gear before or on their launch to market, when interest is highest, then I think people would pay more attention - maybe even pay. I would.

DPR simply does not review enough gear anymore to justify its name, especially lenses...

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SirSeth
By SirSeth (2 months ago)

And that's how you sweet talk DPReview into realizing "your" mission for their site? Negative clouds on the internet are only about drizzle.

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mrdancer
By mrdancer (2 months ago)

Still funny to hear guys whining about m4/3 cameras not being good camera gear because they are not full-frame! Why is 35mm full-frame the arbitrary placeholder for what constitutes good camera gear? Your 35mm looks is a little pale compared to medium-format, not to mention large-format photography. But, you say, medium-format equipment is too bulky and expensive to carry around! Well, same logic applies to m4/3 and full-frame!!

Yes, for the thousandth time, we know that m4/3 does not have the low-light phase-focus capability of full-frame, just as your full-frame cannot compete with medium-format and above. However, for the other 99% of photo ops, the smaller sensor works just fine and is much more user-friendly. Get over beating the dead horse already!

It's really too bad that NASA sent "toy" cameras on their Mars rover <sarcasm>.

As for me, I'm pretty happy that the OM-D EM-1 got best gear of the year, since my GX7 is only a gnat's-hair behind it in overall capability. :)

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onlooker
By onlooker (2 months ago)

I don't see in this thread "guys whining about m4/3 cameras not being good camera gear because they are not full-frame". Could you show them to me? Or did you just want to hear yourself whine?

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caver3d
By caver3d (2 months ago)

onlooker - What planet are you from? Open your eyes and read the Comment sections everyday. Then you'll see all the clueless morons who badmouth m43 vs. FF.

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onlooker
By onlooker (2 months ago)

@caver3d -- See --> "In this thread". So if there is no whining from side A in a particular thread, does side B have to start it to whine about potential whining just in case?

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mrdancer
By mrdancer (2 months ago)

Hmmm, looks like I touched a nerve...

Maybe I should apologize for my wholistic monologue...?

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (2 months ago)

Next, next, next, ne.....

Do yourself a favor, view in mobile, you'll thank me.

Although I've never used one to know for sure, I'd be inclined to pick the Panasonic GM1 as the mirrorless camera of the year, as it's by far the most compact such camera. The whole appeal of mirrorless is DSLR image quality in a SMALL package.

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Antony John
By Antony John (2 months ago)

Sorry there's a problem with this article.
The pages only go up to 7 and don't cover the awards that Canikon won (which should be pages 8 -> 100).
Please rectify.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (2 months ago)

You can find the hidden Canon and Nikon slides at the respective camera forums. Simply look for the threads with 150 comments.

;)

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

You are just looking to the wrong category. Awards which Canon won are in the WORST of 2013 category (see links below): SL1 is the worst DSLR of 2013, S120 is the worst enthusiast zoom of 2013, EOS M2 is the worst mirrorless of 2013, 55-250 STM is the worst lens of 2013 (for some reason).

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boblu
By boblu (2 months ago)

Those people never own any of these canon/nikon cameras feel happy:))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Jogger
By Jogger (2 months ago)

.. and, none of these companies are making money off cameras.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

So people buy them for less then the companies spent creating them? "Great value" then can be added to the list of their advantages.

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boblu
By boblu (2 months ago)

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:) Agree.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (2 months ago)

It's absolutely true. And some day in the not too distant future when one (or more) of these companies stops making cameras there will be shock and awe. Well, it's great for consumers, while it lasts.

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pdelux
By pdelux (2 months ago)

Like Saying Ferrari does not make as much money as Toyota or sell as many units. All true then.

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Craig from Nevada
By Craig from Nevada (2 months ago)

It is a pretty good day to go out and take some photo, regardless of what equipment you carry.

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

That´s the adventure. But a gear-head don´t need such kind of distraction. :D

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (2 months ago)

''Should have been this cam, should have been that cam''.
The crying has already started in at least one forum about this. "This cam should have won because this, that and the other''. Well, it didn't, dry your eyes.
It's a vote, democracy, remember that?

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Camley
By Camley (2 months ago)

Which camera do you use?

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The Jacal
By The Jacal (2 months ago)

Not that it makes any difference, but you can look at my gear list, there's also a Panny GF5 to add too.

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

A camera (K3) never revieved by Dpreview wins it. Isn't this a proof that people don't refer to this site when buying a camera or at least a DSLR? Can infantile trollheads and gearheads take some lessons from this phenomenon and finally grow up or is it a wishful thinking?

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (2 months ago)

No, it's not logically 'proof' of that at all, for the pretty simple reason that this poll is DPReview readers voting for their favourite product of the year, and not a survey of what they (or 'people') have actually bought.

In reality I imagine a lot people buying a camera don't refer to this site first. But then again, others do. That's such not a difficult concept to accept, surely?

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showmeyourpics
By showmeyourpics (2 months ago)

My research is not particularly attached to any one specific web source but I have noticed that on this site, which I particularly like, the review lead time for Olympus and Pentax has been on the long side. DxO suffers from the same delays. The imaging resource K3 review is not complete either.

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LukeLT63
By LukeLT63 (2 months ago)

I think this . I consider DPReview a great site about the world of photography ( definitely among the best ), but certainly not the only one where I read reviews on photography. I read many sites. Much reviews do see better and create a opinion certainly less biased. After this if I have to buy a camera , after reading the book reviews , I try to touch the camera in my hands and if possible do some testing . Only then I can make a final decision .

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LukeLT63
By LukeLT63 (2 months ago)

I do not believe that there is a site that can be a point of reference for purchases but instead there are many sites ( DPReview is one of them) that can help in the search for characteristics of cameras more suited to our needs . Finally regarding the survey am convinced that the readers of DPReview (I'm one of them) have only voted their favorite product and that does not mean that they have or will buy the reflex that they have voted . I voted for Pentax K3 but I use Nikon . My vote is just a personal opinion based on many reviews I have read and express only my personal opinion on a camera that I really admire for its features. I am an admirer of Pentax camera because I know some friends who use Pentax and I got to try Pentax products . They are great machines .

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LukeLT63
By LukeLT63 (2 months ago)

Finally give advice on DPReview in taking care always to provide full-text articles in the same way (which today are many and interesting) on each new camera in order to give more and more possible information to its users for help them in their search. This is just my humble opinion that can be shared or not.

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

@Andy Westlake...How admitting that a lot of people don't necessarily refer to this site first when buying a camera is a counter argument to mine which suggests the same? If this is your way of blurring lines it's not very successful at least wasted on me. Voting for a camera one's never bought or even touched is also bizarre. What my comment also suggests in small prints that this site is fast becoming a playground for troll heads and gear heads battling against each other and also a site for hungry technology junkies counting numbers, pixels and functions they will never use to take a picture. If this direction is bringing in more clicks and advertising it's perfectly legitimate. But there is no guarantee that it will stay as a photographic web site or photo enthusiasts' web site

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Artpt
By Artpt (2 months ago)

I have not received an invoice yet,so I believe this site is free....

Hats off for the K-3 to win a category.....

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nnotts
By nnotts (2 months ago)

So now the K3 has officially won the dslr section, can DPR finally spare a reviewer to properly review the K3, as they said they would do a month ago?

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D1N0
By D1N0 (2 months ago)

I am glad that the value of Pentax is finally recognized. Now let's review it.

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Vignes
By Vignes (2 months ago)

I have a 6D for FF and I love the low light performance of this fellow. I have been a serious OLY follower EPL1, EP3, EM5, EM1. When started with EPL1, never thought this system would be highly accepted but broke the EPL1 and bought the EP3, EP3 is where OLY fixed the focus speed issues and from EM5 on wards was a different story all together. But still i won't claim that the m4/3 can solve all challenges especially on slower zooms. But with m4/3 prime lens, they can be quite fun.
Forgot to add, i received the EM1 battery grip for free from OLY. Nice feel especially for portrait shot. The camera looks great and the button options/settings are great. They stuffed up the battery arrangement, though.

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justinwonnacott
By justinwonnacott (2 months ago)

This kind of content is nothing but click bait . When we "pay" to use this site.... by selling our eyeballs to the advertisers it is a shame that our attention goes for such a low price. I am increasingly visiting other sources for real news and technical information to avoid this kind of meaningless bumpf.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (2 months ago)

I frankly enjoy this meaningless bumpf. One camera I'll never own takes it all, and one that grates on my nerves gets a win.

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klopus
By klopus (2 months ago)

Anybody forces anybody to take a "click bait"? Is it like trove of other interesting and helpful information to be enjoyed on the DPR suddenly becomes unavailable to you as a punishment for not clicking on a poll?

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MustangJoe
By MustangJoe (2 months ago)

Of course it's click bait. I'd love to see a meeting where someone says, "Hey, let's create a site that contains content that no one wants to read!". If you're not interested in the content, then don't click on it.

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onlooker
By onlooker (2 months ago)

> One camera I'll never own takes it all, and one that grates on my nerves gets a win.

Do tell more, in detail. I enjoy watching a nice brawl. ;)

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (2 months ago)

@onlooker

The one with the smallest market share and the other one that is super slow. I'll say no more.

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Markol
By Markol (2 months ago)

It started a month before Christmas, now we're 6 weeks past the event and still awards, awards, awards....
I know they look great on the product page and help sell, but this site is still called digital photography Review.
Just saying.

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

You´re right.
But the important thing is - the Editors choice Pro Xtreme awards (like Canon SL1) we had end of 2013, kindly placed before Christmas.

But the readers choice ... well, you know? January / February 2014. No one cares about ... specially Canon and Nikon. ;D

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agentul
By agentul (2 months ago)

brace yourself, the Winter Olympics are coming.

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balios
By balios (2 months ago)

Polls like this keep the gear heads happy, as many people come here to have their gear vindicated. For example, most of the people wanting the K3 review don't actually want a review (because they already own one or otherwise know everything about it), they just want to DPR to validate their purchase. It seems that photography is now about "winning".

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

There is a more rational explanation:
Many of Pentax' shortcommings can be attributed to their limited R&D budget (limited by profits and market share). The comparatively small lens lineup and some technologies where Pentax is lagging behind (AF-tracking, at least before the K-3; ultrasonic lens motors; wireless TTL) require R&D money to be remedied, Pentax' R&D budget was starved under Hoya.

More public exposure for Pentax cameras (here, on other review sites, in magazines, etc.) could translate to larger market shares that could support a larger lens lineup and R&D budget.

So, it's perfectly rational for Pentax users to want reviews that praise Pentax cameras but that's not what the 'messianic' Pentaxians here are asking for, they're just asking for the Pentax cameras to get the same review-priority as the Canikon offerings...

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (2 months ago)

...which seems only fair BTW...

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drummercam
By drummercam (2 months ago)

"[M]ost of the people wanting the K3 review don't actually want a review . . . they just want to DPR to validate their purchase"

My purchase of the K-3 is being validated by the pictures I'm getting and by its features, ease of use, and ergonomics and interface . . .

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

Ok seating arrangements : trolls? If you wouldn't mind dragging your knuckles behind the men in white coats who'll lead you somewhere warm & dark underneath that rickety bridge, thaaaank you. Fuji haters and Sony fanboys, we have seats at opposite ends of....oh, you're together? Fine, just follow Yuki Fungirl over there who'll take you into the creche where you'll all have your very own PS3. Now, you elderly gentlefolk, you must be from Canikon, so you're booked in the east & west wings with a portapotty for each member. And as much soup as you can keep down! And you m43 cuties, we haven't forgotten you! Those pretty little kindergarten chairs are all for you, with icecream for all in the interval. No hair pulling or making fun of the oldies from Canikon! Right, 3 chairs left - come on, Mr Pentax, you can sit with Herr Leica...and who's that in the hairshirt? Why, it's Mr Film, why don't you join the rest of us? For once? Sorry, Mr Photography, NO ROOM FOR YOU HERE. Now go to bed, kids

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

Attention! Text wall incoming!
BLAAAMMM

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

@Resom...I hope you're not merely passing the Bach ;-p Is that a Luger in your pocket?

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

Luger? No, 1945 is not longer, you know. We actually using Heckler & Koch!

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Are we still using those ourselves?
I thought we were just selling them to the police states we like (those who guard our oil, those who fill our shopping malls and those who stop the huddled masses before they reach our borders so we get to keep our hands clean)...

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

Of course we use them. Our experience help other states to subjugate their own people more efficiently.
And do not forget - our mines and grenades are superb!

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Right, I remember, we sent some dudes with G36's and Leopard 2's to Afghanistan while the French, Italians and British sent Rafales and Eurofighters to Libya so we can write "battle tested" in the bids for the Saudi military...

Guns and tanks (Leopard 2A7, the urban warfare version...) for suppressing protests revolts and such, you know, "stabilising the region"...

Those uncivilised arabs should be thanking us for keeping their oppressive police states nice and stable and taking that dark oily stuff of their hands, right?

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (2 months ago)

I predict the Fuji X-T1 will win best mirrorless of 2014...

I'm shooting a D7100 with the Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 and a Fuji X100S at the moment, aren't I trendy?!

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

I agree. If not a best camera, especially if Fuji nailed focusing this time.

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

In case of X100s not trendy but hipster. Better get the new Fuji soon before you start loosing respect in the local scene...

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

By the way it's January and this is just the first camera to be released this year. Don't get me wrong I think it will be great but calling it camera of the year in January already just because the put the EVF on top and integrated a grip is a bit too early ;)

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

@theprehistorian...no, I'd say you've simply done your homework and have a great kit. A trendy would have a modern dslr in a Tamrac Expedition 50 bag with 20 lenses, some of which he may have used. Or not ;-) And everyone who uses the word "hipster" will be outed as a wannabe metrosexual and forced to write their own material and read it aloud before the class. Get those crayons ready ;-p

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theprehistorian
By theprehistorian (2 months ago)

@Zeisschen - I'm not sure what 'hipster' means...! In fairness, I work entirely alone and no one ever sees my cameras up close. I have to say though, technical reviews and a bit of judgement-based-on-experience led me to the kit I use now, and it's pretty marvellous. The Nikon/Sigma combo produces spectacular image quality, and the camera is a delight to shoot; it's a bit heavy, but that's the price. Same goes for the X100S, although I wish I could completely disable the dynamic range 'optimisation' functions when shooting RAW. Minor grumble, but there seems to be too loose a relationship between the 'live' histogram and that of the captured image.

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

My first post was just kidding ;) I think you made a good choice!

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pdelux
By pdelux (2 months ago)

X-T1 is a worthy Contender and the maturation of a line much like the EM-1 is. But its still early 2014, with the Em-5 replacement to come. Maybe oly come up with some new, Anything can happen. Em-1 was only released a couple months before and got best Mirrorless?

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (2 months ago)

Did you just throw readers a bone or two, DPR? Many Nikon and Canon shooters are salivating at the idea of announcements of the mythical D400 and 7D2. 2014 is looking to be a very good year indeed.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (2 months ago)

I wouldn't count on both of these camera's.
Nikon seems to be lost and left in confusion.

The marketing department has lost all contact with their American and European customers who don't like to be told what they have to like.

Canon is doing a littlebit better though. Although they also still don't know that mirrorless is the way to go....

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (2 months ago)

In context of D400(s) and 7D2, the mirrorless remark is rather silly IMO. (I own mirrorless, btw.)

Why the CaNikon wait to refresh their top tier semi-pro bodies is really strange indeed. They are, after all, very popular.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

"Why the CaNikon wait to refresh their top tier semi-pro bodies is really strange indeed. They are, after all, very popular."

They want to push their loyal sheep to FF, where they can ask more for bodies and MUCH MORE for lenses.

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

So...Dpreview is largely followed by 4/3 users. That's fine but please don't call a smaller sensor cameras as "innovation" and compare them to bigger sensor ones. It's not because 4/3 is bad, not at all but they are simply governed by their physical structure which can be advantage or disadvantage at times. Neither camera group is a replacement for the other.

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

Expect to be on at least 7684 m43 users ignore list after your thoughtful comment ;)

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paulo79
By paulo79 (2 months ago)

"simply governed by their physical structure which can be advantage or disadvantage at times"

Doesn't that refer to everything everywhere?

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

@paulo79...yes it does, that's exactly what I meant. I draw the conclusion from your comment that you didn't deliberately misunderstand my comment.

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

There were some 6 000 people voting, which is only a fraction of the total number of people visiting this site. I think we can say that, among the enthusiasts who are actively participating in forums and comments threads on DPR, a large number use m4/3 cameras. But that DPR "is largely followed by 4/3 users", isn't necessarily true.

And then, why can't a camera with a 4/3 sensor be innovative? Is there some magical border between 4/3 and APS-C, that makes innovation impossible in the cameras with the smaller sensor? And is all innovation tied to sensor size? Would the AA-filter simulation in K-3 lose its status as innovation, if used in a camera with smaller sensor? Weren't the Olympus 5-axis IBIS innovative at all, because it was used in a m4/3 camera?

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (2 months ago)

The sensor size isn't the innovative bit, it's all the other features

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paulo79
By paulo79 (2 months ago)

@oselimg Your right, I didn't deliberately misunderstand your comment, I just didn't understand it full stop.

If it had emerged that a FF Canon or Nikon had won, would the conclusion be that DPreview is largely followed by Canon or Nikon users?

What makes the product good is how it combines the sum of its parts into something greater. And yes I do own it, precisely because it is small + well built + does what I want in a system. And yes I did vote for it.

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oselimg
By oselimg (2 months ago)

@Renevant...6000 may be fraction of visitors to this site but Dpreview in total is a fraction of photographic world. One must not take oneself too seriously. By the way when I say bigger I refer to 35mm sensor and above. No innovation will ever make a small sensor behave like a big sensor lens combination. Particular Camera functions is a different subject. One more thing; did I ever mention any brands on my original comment? "Bigger sensor" isn't a brand name.

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (2 months ago)

Exactly I don't shoot mirrorless cameras. Never will ever buy a m43 camera EVER (just love FF images and m43 will never cut it for me). BUT I believe the EM-1 is deserving of being a winner. Its a very good camera at its price point.

It has no real weakness that would detract from its winner tag.

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

@oselimg
My argument is still valid. Innovation is not tied to sensor size. Any innovation regarding sensor technology, autofocus or whatever can be applied regardless of sensor size.

I didn't get the impression from your original post, when you said that a small sensor camera can't be innovative, that you talked about the behaviour of sensor/lens combinations, but that you were talking about technical innovations in cameras.
We all know about the limitations imposed by the laws of nature, and those apply to FF sensor cameras too. It's just a question of where you draw the line of "good enough". For many people, m4/3 is already good enough.

And no, you didn't mention any brands, and I didn't imply that you did. I mentioned specific brands only as examples to make my point.

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beavertown
By beavertown (2 months ago)

Dpreview should also have had "vote for the worst cameras of the year" award.

Nikon would have won tons.

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viktoriskra
By viktoriskra (2 months ago)

I disagree - Leica X Vario or "Hasselblad" Lunar would've been top.

:-)

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peevee1
By peevee1 (2 months ago)

Enjoy:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3594897
The worst DSLR of 2013 - Canon SL1
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3594881
The worst enthusiast zoom compact of 2013 - Canon S120
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3594916
The worst lens - Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM (I am baffled by this one)
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52751134
The worst mirrorless - Canon EOS M2
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52751234
The worst fixed FL fixed lens compact - Nikon A

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

According to some, the Leica X Vario is one of those rare cameras that looks worse on paper than it is in practice. I haven't tested it myself, though.

And I have to wonder how many of those who voted for the EOS M2 as worst mirrorless actually had used it? It was only released in Japan and China, after all.
I know, I know, it was all for fun, but I think you should have tested the products you vote for, no matter if you vote for the best or the worst. At the very least you should have read a number of reviews or user reports.

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

Hmm, if the people only comment on cameras they have tested, it would be very quiet here ... oh wait!

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Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (2 months ago)

So, the Pentax K-3... First impressions on October 7 last year, still no review. Despite the "explanation" R Butler once gave me (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-df?comment=1981666761), I can't shed the feeling that something went very wrong with that review(er?).

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Reviews of Nikon and Olympus cameras seem to have sped up in the last ~2 years while the reviews of Canon cameras have slowed down. Sony and Fuji reviews have always taken relatively long and the Pentax reviews come in last or never...

Nikon -vs- Canon:
In 2010, the reviews for the 60D and D7000 where both done 76 days after the announcement, 2-3 years later the 70D-review and the 6D-review took 121 and 148 days while the D7100- and D600-reviews only took 63 and 61 days. The Nikon reviews seem to get priority...

Olympus:
The OM-D E-M1 review was done 48 days after the announcement. 18 months earlier, the E-M5 took 82 days but the E-P5-review took 146 days just recently. It looks like the E-M1-review was fast-tracked...

Pentax:
The fastest was the K-5 review at 89 days, the other reviews took much longer (K-30: 161, K-r: 183, K-5II: 267).
The K-3 review is at 119 days and counting, the K-50/500 review at 236 days and counting...
(slowest Nikon: D5200, 129d; slowest Canon: 5DII, 149d)

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Zeisschen
By Zeisschen (2 months ago)

It's because Pentax' lenses are too slow ;)

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Greg VdB
By Greg VdB (2 months ago)

Boris, thanks for your analysis of past reviews - nothing beats objective numbers!

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PicOne
By PicOne (2 months ago)

Not sure I see the point of measuring from day of announcement. Maybe more sense in looking from first day of availability in marketplace (in US since that's where DPR resides)? Manufacturers can announce a model any time they want in advance of actually producing the item.

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Resom
By Resom (2 months ago)

Because they have no Pentax lenses, haha.
And it´s not a Canon or Nikon.

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

Yes, sometimes there is quite a long time between announcement and availability of production units. The previews that are published on the announcement date are usually based on handling a pre-production unit. And since DPR receive their review units from the manufacturers, they can't begin a proper review until the manufacturer decides to send them one.
There may be other factors influencing the time it takes to complete a review too, and priorities that aren't necessarily tied to the brand name.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

The K-5 review back in 2010 was the only Pentax-review that wasn't slower than the slowest Nikon- or Canon-review. Even the minor upgrades in the Canon "Rebel" series get higher review-priority than the Pentax cameras. The K-5 and K-3 may be complex, feature-packed cameras that take longer to review but the K-5II(s) was a minor upgrade of the K-5 and still took for f**king ever and the new K-50 and K-500 are nearly identical to the K-30 (the K-500 isn't sealed and the ergonomics have changed from the K-30). The K-50/500 have been announced 236 days ago, they've been available for months and - given that most of the camera is identical to the K-30 - a review wouldn't take too much effort. If every entry level upgrade from CaNikon gets a review, so should the Pentax (and Sony) offerings.

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Revenant
By Revenant (2 months ago)

Maybe they give priority to the cameras that they think the most readers are interested in, based on market shares? There are many times more photographers that shoot Canon/Nikon DSLRs than Pentax or Sony. If more people use those cameras, then the conclusion would be that more people are interested in reading those reviews. And conversely, the reason why they did not review 1D X or D4 is likely because a very low percentage of the readership shoot with that type of camera.

I'm not saying that this is the right way to prioritise, or that it's fair, just that it might be the reasoning behind prioritising Canon/Nikon.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

Those who are already invested in the Nikon F- or Canon EF-mount to a prohibitive degree are unlikely to buy entry level cameras (Nikon D3x00/D5x00, Canon xx0D/Rebel, Pentax K-30/50/500), those will mostly be used with the kit lenses.

The problem is that Canon and Nikon maintain their market share without having to compete with the smaller brands.
Those who want to buy entry-level DSLRs only know about CaNikon, most retail stores only sell CaNikon, CaNikon can afford a lot more marketing (getting you products review is part of marketing!) and Canikon cameras/lenses are reviewed much more than the smaller brands...

I would have thought that the point of reviews was to provide unbiased information for INFORMED purchase decisions.
The least informed buyers are also those who are least affiliated with any of the brands and least concerned with the availability of specialty lenses, there's no reason for them not to consider the smaller brands and they're most dependent on good reviews.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

(part 2)
I don't understand why anyone who's already invested in - say - Nikon DSLRs would care whether the D3300-review get's priority over the K-50/500-review.

As it is, CaNikon get's free marketing from every direction... they get the entry-level market handed to them without actually having to out-compete the smaller brands on price or features.

More competition in the entry-level market would be better for all users.
It would also shrink profit margins for manufacturers, distributors and retailers...

Remind me, who owns this site again?

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

(BTW: If, by some slim chance, someone here knows one of the European Commissioners, could you please suggest to them that the Commision should require the camera manufacturers to switch to standardized non-proprietary lens mounts (i.e. 1 for DSLRs, 1 for FF- and APS-C MILCs and 1 for M4/3 and smaller)? They made a half-arsed attempt of standardising phone chargers recently, EU law would allow it and the common market may be large enough to actually get the manufacturers to do it (rather than not get to sell anything in the EU)...)

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deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

I voted with my wallet too. Never been trendy before...

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duckling
By duckling (2 months ago)

Olympus? Two years in a row? Who'd have thought?

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viktoriskra
By viktoriskra (2 months ago)

..plus two years ago, during the Woodford whistleblowing 'mishap', a lot of us were writing Olympus off.

Kudos to them.

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duckling
By duckling (2 months ago)

I've been using Olympus systems since the early nineties, along with other equipment. "Small but robust" has always been their unique attraction and the present incarnation of this idea - the OM-D series - is just lovely. It's not the "best" in any way, but it just works for me like no other system. Importantly, the lack of overwhelming flaws in those products makes them exceedingly useful.

The E-M1 (which I own) belongs in spirit to a special genre of cameras which I call "a camera for the road". Small but not too small, fast, durable and capable enough (though not necessarily "perfect") for every conceivable situation one might encounter. It can be thrown in a rucksack with a smallish prime or two and you don't have to worry about it.

Those polls are remarkably meaningless as most voters have not had the chance to use any of the options. Nevertheless, it's quite reassuring that a small (in more than one way) manufacturer can enjoy this kind of acceptance. Kudos indeed.

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Calvin Chann
By Calvin Chann (2 months ago)

I've never really been an Olympus user, so apart from a couple of XA's that I bought some years ago, I took a punt with the E-M1. Have to say, it's great in use but I only wish it had the FF sensor from my A7R.

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Peiasdf
By Peiasdf (2 months ago)

If the Olympus forum pull the same nonsense they did last year, it wouldn't be a surprised E-M1 won. If you can dig up my past from a year ago you will see. Olympus forum mobilized three times as many voters as all other mirrorless forums combined.

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Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (2 months ago)

That's probably because the Olympus forum is three times bigger than all other mirrorless forums combined.

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itsmeavi
By itsmeavi (2 months ago)

No love left at dpreview for Canon and Nikon :P

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viktoriskra
By viktoriskra (2 months ago)

It just shows that the 'photographic community' loves innovation more than complacency.

Shocking, eh?

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

You can expect dpreviews "love" for any particular brand to depend on the profit margin that Amazon makes on the sales of products of that brand...

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deep7
By deep7 (2 months ago)

What an appalling thing to say. I'll bet you haven't got a shred of evidence to back up such an accusation.

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Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (2 months ago)

@BorisAkunin you might expect that, but you'd be wrong. The profit margin is decided by the retailer, is essentially the same for all cameras, and is razor-thin.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (2 months ago)

@Simon Joinsen
I'm not referring to the "Amazon Marketplace", Amazon is selling cameras and lenses on their own too (they ARE a retailer!), are they not?

I didn't mean to say that DPRs Review scores and priorities are all determined by Amazons profit interests but as far DPR displays "love" towards any particular product or brand, we can't trust DPR to be unbiased where their owners financial interests are concerned.
Amazon bought this place for a reason, they can use it to raise overall demand for photography-related products, direct prospective buyers towards their site and to steer customer choices towards products that offer higher profit margins for Amazon.
This isn't DPR-specific, no profit-seeking entity can be considered a neutral source of information. If they didn't expect DPR to manipulate consumer behaviour in their favour, Amazon would have had no reason to buy this place...

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (2 months ago)

Congratulations to the winners. Now...cue the weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth from the naysayers.

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Adamaflex
By Adamaflex (2 months ago)

and thats all she wrote...

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