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Fujifilm teases upcoming SLR-style X system camera

By dpreview staff on Jan 20, 2014 at 08:50 GMT

Fujifilm is teasing an upcoming SLR-style mirrorless body on its X system page. The camera sports top-plate shutter speed, exposure compensation and ISO dials, along with a prominent central viewfinder 'hump'. It will be formally announced on January 28th, and as usual we'll bring you full details then.  

 Fujifilm's teaser for its upcoming SLR-style X-system camera

Fujifilm isn't giving any more details right now, but the teaser gives a pretty clear view of the camera's top plate, on which we can see the following features:

  • Shutter speed dial with X-Pro1-like locking button
  • Exposure compensation dial covering +/-3 EV
  • ISO dial (also lockable), including 'A' position for quick access to Auto
  • Control levers below shutter speed and ISO dials (functions unknown, but drive and metering modes would make sense)  
  • Movie record button
  • 'Fn' button which activates built-in Wi-Fi
  • Power switch surrounding shutter button
  • Large viewfinder hump, perhaps implying extra-large EVF
  • PC sync socket on front 
  • Electronic front dial below shutter button 

SLR-style mirrorless cameras like the Olympus OM-D E-M5 and E-M1, and the Sony Alpha 7 and 7R have clearly captured photographers' imaginations recently (as indeed has Nikon's 'retro' Df SLR), so this looks like a logical move from Fujifilm. Assuming it features the X-E2's impressively-fast AF system, with on-chip phase detection via the X-Trans CMOS II sensor, we suspect it'll be a particularly good vehicle for larger lenses such as the XF 55-200mm F3.5-4.8 R LM OIS telezoom. We've liked Fujifilm's recent cameras a lot, so are certainly looking forward to seeing what this one has to offer.

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PHOTOJOE55
By PHOTOJOE55 (3 months ago)

The Electronic controls (in part) control the camera. What did you think they do?

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Heaven is for real
By Heaven is for real (3 months ago)

Very exciting camera...

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M DeNero
By M DeNero (3 months ago)

Can anyone please tell me what the electronic dials on the front and back of this camera do? The front one just under the shutter button, and the back one between the AE-L and AF-L buttons?

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jyhfeei
By jyhfeei (3 months ago)

Will allow changing of parameters using customized buttons or cruising through menus. Being that there are two wheels, instead of one (other X-cameras), perhaps the wheels may also be customizable (no quick access button required). We'll see.

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digimaan1
By digimaan1 (3 months ago)

Lets hope Fuji soon start selling cameras we all can afford.. and will last as long as they look as if they should but don't....I personally didn't have much joy with either the X10 or the XF-1, metal bodies covering very plastic and very unreliable insides, The x100 with lens elements stuck on with 3 blobs or Araldite.... need I go on.
Phil

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calking
By calking (3 months ago)

Get the xa-1 or xm-1

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

I have the X10 - no probs. I have the X100 - no probs. Araldite? Are you kidding? That's a world first! If you don't like/can't afford them then get something else. Move to another brand, it's that easy.

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jaygeephoto
By jaygeephoto (3 months ago)

I knew my Fujica ST 801 would fine it's way home again! It was always such the orphan child of cameras except when it out-shined camera costing 3 times as much with it's image quality. Go Fuji!

1 upvote
ryansholl
By ryansholl (3 months ago)

What does a film body have to do with image quality?

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (2 months ago)

More than you think Ryansholl. The digital age obscured many people. The metering on the St series cameras was excellent, a needle match system and although the lenses were M42 the matched Fujinon lenses were excellent. So matching the lenses to the excellent metering, then yes, the film body can make a lot of difference.

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ThorstenMUC
By ThorstenMUC (3 months ago)

really looks interesting.

currently going for a E-M1...

But if FUJI's new body is nearly as feature rich and usable as the Oly and has the superior X-Trans APS-C size sensor at a comparable price... I may switch.

Though the FUJI lens lineup can't compete with the amount of FT-lenses already available - the most important lenses are already available for FUJI and of good quality...

There are no third party lenses for the X-mount yet, are there?

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roytempest
By roytempest (3 months ago)

Yes, there are Zeiss Samyang lenses available.

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jyhfeei
By jyhfeei (3 months ago)

And most legacy, MF lenses from the last 40 years. Myself having 5, OM and screw mount lenses from 50mm and up, my portrait and telephoto needs are covered for the price of two adapters. $20.

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Easycass
By Easycass (3 months ago)

Hope Dpreview does not mind, but just wanted to point everyone to some extra pictures of the camera over at fujirumours. More drool for those that love the functionality and logical layout of the traditional direct dial settings...

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ThorstenMUC
By ThorstenMUC (3 months ago)

Thanks...

if the rumors are true and not just wishes, like:
* big, better EVF (2.36 million OLED, 0.005s lag)
* APS-C X-Trans sensor II (16MP)
* dual SD-Card slot
* weather sealed body
* tilt screen
* WiFi
* smaller than the X-E2
* price range between X-E and X-PRO line

This is the perfect cam for my needs and even all I just want, but not essentially need ;-)

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

and i really like the way they wrote "FUJIFILM" on its forehead!! something missing on x-e*!!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

all it needs is a gaffer tape.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

and you too!!

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AlpCns2
By AlpCns2 (3 months ago)

Looks like another gorgeous design, and interesting camera. Love it! It's a great time to be a photographer, we never had it so good.

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FLKemper jr
By FLKemper jr (3 months ago)

I don't know how old you are. I'm 54 yo and I've seen a lot of nice things coming by in the last 40 years I'm trying to make nice pics. The new mirrorless cameras look very nice, the problem for me is its size. I have big hands and on such small cameras, it's terrible. I now have mij Nikon D300s with some nice big lenses, perfect for me.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

this is big enough for any bigger hands .. not tiny by any measures .. however if you like to carry heft .. as many think it helps taking a steady shot, then why not ..

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Paulo Goulart
By Paulo Goulart (3 months ago)

I'm with FLKemper...
My D300 is just perfect for me (and I do not have big hands), and it's not only the size, it's the form, weight and balance (mainly with big lenses).
Anything less and tiny and it's not for me, or for a lot of people, I believe...

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

I won't try to convince you here Paulo .. but trust me I was like you with my Fuji S5 Pro DSLRs .. and then I started using GH1 and after a year when I picked S5 or even D90, I knew it's not for me!!

because we are ADAPTIVE!! however D300 is a great camera and if you are happy with it .. then you are really lucky!! enjoy using it and share your photos with us!!

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (3 months ago)

Each to their own. I used to lug around huge Contax outfit and tripod. All that brass and glass, backbreaking!

I sold the lot and brought a D40 and two plastic lenses and started enjoying the hobby a lot more. Moved on from there but the kit is getting heavy again which is why I nearly brought a XE-2 but prefered the flip screen of the XM-1. If only they had a camera with EVF and flippy screen I thought. And here it is, thank you Fuji.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

It looks both you and Fuji X-T1 got quite an evolution for each other!!

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Dennis Linden
By Dennis Linden (3 months ago)

Dear DP Review. Can we request the ability to block certain people's posts. It would make it so much more pleasant to read the Comments section.

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srados
By srados (3 months ago)

I do not understand why FUJI FILM does not drop FILM from name and call themselves FUJI.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

i dont know either, but i call her Fuji! everyone understand that and no one complains!!

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (3 months ago)

Probably because they still sell really good film and, its their name? Maybe I should drop my last name because people only call me Carl most of the time.

C

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57even
By 57even (3 months ago)

Because Fuji is the name of a mountain in Japan and used for many companies.

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jaygeephoto
By jaygeephoto (3 months ago)

As to differentiate it from say Fuji Heavy Industries, which makes things such as Subaru's and aircraft engines.

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babalu
By babalu (3 months ago)

To all those jabokkies and their likes :
I am ready to bet that this camera will get a score of over 80 and a gold award in DPR, and that it'll be very well accepted both by enthusiasts and by professionals . Sigma and Co. will follow with lenses if Fujifilm's are not enough.
I will not however answer to any further teasings to this comment .

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (3 months ago)

I happen to agree, it will score very high and let me add be compared to the DF as a camera with better controls, less the fact it isn't full frame.

That is unless Fujifilm botches it with some crazy bad design decision somewhere.

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OlavM
By OlavM (3 months ago)

Q: What is the exact meaning, expressed in metric units, by the description:
"large 2/3-inch sensor" ?
(this is a quote from the FUJI website):
http://fujifilm-x.com/x10/en/story/story2/page_03.html )

In my world, by my immediate and intuitive interpretation: 2/3 of <something>, is the same as <something> multiplied by approx. 0,666667

However, the illustration at the FUJI website clearly show ANOTHER "story": The diagonal is 10,99 millimeters, the long side is 8,786 mm. NEITHER of these measures does relate to one inch by a factor of : 2/3 ????
Why this linguistic mumbo-jumbo ???

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

http://www.dpreview.com/glossary/camera-system/sensor-sizes

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OlavM
By OlavM (3 months ago)

Thanks, "Revenant", here's the answer from the link provided:
... stuck (although it should have been thrown out long ago). There appears to be no specific mathematical relationship .....
Feel kind'a relieved of my frustration, yes ... but it is stupid, must get rid of this old rubbish language.
It's as easy as: % of FF (full frame) in area. Or sq. mm (mm2).

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M DeNero
By M DeNero (3 months ago)

For days now I have been reading comments looking for common sense rationale explaining the functional benefits of these retro cameras. I haven't found any compelling ones. I have, on the other hand, found hundreds of superficial "it sure is pretty" comments.

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (3 months ago)

If having properly implemented manual control knobs = retro, then that's my rationale.

I don't really care what the unit looks like, just don't give me some massive menu system to navigate.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

basically retro means rubbish.
there are reasons we abandoned retro and chose modern,
though rubbish can be beautiful to some eyes,
and sometimes we do trash valuable things.

anyone looking for the state of art design
should look at 1DX and D4 first.

Comment edited 3 minutes after posting
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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

Instead of thinking along the lines of "They made this camera for me, but they got it all wrong", why not try to think: "It's cool that they made a camera for people with other preferences than mine"?

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David_C
By David_C (3 months ago)

Fuji x-t1 and matching lenses will cut the weight of my Canon camera kit by 50% or more. Fuji lenses are all top quality.

The only issue is the 1/180 flash sync speed, I would have liked 1/250 or 1/500.

Comment edited 4 minutes after posting
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fakuryu
By fakuryu (3 months ago)

"basically retro means rubbish.
there are reasons we abandoned retro and chose modern,
though rubbish can be beautiful to some eyes,
and sometimes we do trash valuable things.

anyone looking for the state of art design
should look at 1DX and D4 first."

Yes because aside from being an excellent lens engineer, physicist, electronics engineer, genius, playboy, philanthropist and an international man of mystery, you are also an excellent industrial designer.

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

@fakuryu..you left out bon vivant, raconteur and the most important...wordsmith ;-)

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Easycass
By Easycass (3 months ago)

Hi M DeNero, yes, some people maybe cannot think of anything logical as to why they like a camera. In a way, I wish people did not refer to it as 'retro'.

There are at least four types of interface on today's cameras: 1) Push Button/Command Dial, 2) Menu/Command/Cursor, 3) Touch Screen, 4) Direct Dial, and likely more.

For me, I like number 4. If we want to use the word 'retro', I like it because the main things I adjust are shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation, ISO, metering and drive mode, with AE/AF locks as a bonus. If I can adjust all these directly on a camera that has these controls seperated in a logical layout, it helps me concentrate on the picture rather than the camera. Just my preference, but I do understand if not everyone's cup of tea.

Whether it is pretty or not is rather subjective I agree, but to those that do like the layout, that suits their style of shooting, then I guess it just might appear to be a thing of beauty for them...

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calking
By calking (3 months ago)

Ironic that "retro" would be a problem in today's world, where being "fashionable" means wearing plaid and shopping at IKEA.

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M DeNero
By M DeNero (3 months ago)

Revenant - I would accept that argument, if anybody could just explain in a common sense, correct way what this camera offers in terms of control that others do not. I have not seen that. I have seen the usual nonsensical comments about going thru menu systems, when this camera has it's own menu system. It's still an electronic camera.

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M DeNero
By M DeNero (3 months ago)

Easycass - I don't see the shutter speed, aperture and exposure compensation separated in a logical layout. I see them separated in a cumbersome layout. I have yet to see a post explaining why this layout makes more sense than #1 above. I have seen many, many, ridiculous, emotion driven comments like "I can use this camera in the dark." Not yours, BTW. I am not trying to be difficult, just trying too understand why people gush about ergonomics that are cumbersome. With a modern DSLR, I can adjust shutter speed, aperture, exposure compensation at least as fast as anybody can with this camera, and in most cased faster.

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Easycass
By Easycass (3 months ago)

Hi there M DeNero ,

I understand that some people do not see it as logical, as people have different perceptions, needs and thus preferences. Take communication, some people prefer to talk, some can type faster, some can use hand-signs, some people can write. All have preferences, and none are better than the other, except to the individual. The same with camera controls.

I think the 'gush' as you put it, is because many people who came from the pre buttons and dial age have an affinity to the dials and knobs. To understand is only to appreciate that people have different experience and desires from you.

For me, to change shutter speed, I could push a button and turn a command dial 3-4 times, or turn the shutter speed dial maybe once. Same for aperture, push a button and turn a dial a few times, or on a lens get what I want in less than a single turn. Just seems 'less fiddly' to me. I dunno, its like trying to explain liking a manual stick-shift over an automatic transmission...

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (3 months ago)

So the camera manufacturers clearly think that they can ask fortune for the aged looks of the bodies.

They should have brought this briliant idea to its logical consequencies and ask progresivelly higher prices for the baroque, mediaeval, Doric Greek, Summerian and stone-age stylings.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

nothing is old, if it still makes sense!!

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DDWD10
By DDWD10 (3 months ago)

Camera makers tried "futuristic"... see the Ricoh Mirai. 'Nuff said.

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Rachotilko
By Rachotilko (3 months ago)

@Naveed: surely, I am myself convinced that 1600s/1700s era have - in some respect - reached cultural achievements not matches since.

I just find it really amusing that camera makers charge premiums for the design cues from 1950s.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

Because many like those old fashions .. including myself and for many others these are useful too.

Also fuji is asking for the price premium for its premium build quality and crafstmanship and even if its getting cues from 1950s its is pricier to lets say put a dial then not having it!

Am sorry mate, am not questioning you here .. but IMHO fuji prices are very reasonable if you see the other available flagship cameras!!

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Ian Leach
By Ian Leach (3 months ago)

To me the DF looks like Frankenstein’s Monster and this X camera looks like Dracula (or maybe Vampirella), just an opinion.

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rpm40
By rpm40 (3 months ago)

Looks beautiful. The Olympus OM-D got close, but a little too modern for me, and I prefer the dedicated dials. The Nikon DF...ew. Now this looks great. The kind of thing I'd save up for.

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PinPoint
By PinPoint (3 months ago)

Any hope to have another Fuji firmware update to improve the X-E1's video capture? video captured on current mobile phone is more smooth and usable...I'm not asking for fantastic video on X-E1, but anything equal to current mobile phone is good enough...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

they have to redesign the lenses (for both video and still). the current X-mount products are designed as a low cost low performance premium price system.

excluding video makes the design and manufacture much cheaper for both the lenses and bodies which is a corner stone of Fujifilm's business.

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Babka08
By Babka08 (3 months ago)

How can they be low cost premium price?

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (3 months ago)

"How can they be low cost premium price?"

Anything is possible in yabokkie's world

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

Babka08 .. if you read a paragraph and it got two sentences. And the first doesn't match with the second at all. Don't be confuse, it must be written by her!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

low cost to the maker,
premium price to the user.

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

How do you know the cost to the maker? Simple, you dont. And clearly you have little or no experience with Fuji lenses. Have you heard /read what pros say? Or are you smarter than them? Based on your wild mis-assumptions here the answer would be no. In fact when this camera is released pros and enthusiasts will be taking awesome pics with it , as they have done with the X series since inception. The only people who wont will be those who pathologically hate Fuji (i.e. you), or think you need NASA technology in order to take a half decent picture. That's if you take pictures at all. It's all about the photographer. Now be a good boy and go have a chat with the nice folks on a Phase One forum...before the men in white coats arrive.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

its even better example as its not even two sentences in a paragraph!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

gandul:

There are less expensive still cameras with APSC sensors and excellent lenses, get one of those, say a Samsung NX300 and then you can also get a video camera.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

maybe a compact too and an old film camera with couple of roles!!

what's the point??

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

Fujifilm doesn't have the backup from a giant company like Samsung. so it might be inevitable they chose a low cost (both design and manufacture), low performance, and premium price strategy which is quite successful.

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

You're the only "person" who describes Fuji's X series as low performance. No user, reviewer or pro has said this in print. What do you use again? You know, to take actual photos with? Anything?

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billybones1918
By billybones1918 (3 months ago)

Hmm yabokkie. He's like a dog on your trouser leg. I say 'he' because no woman would post such moronic comments.

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

"Isn't it possible we've past the point of diminishing returns and our hunger for gear is outpacing our hunger for beauty, compelling stories, great light and amazing moments?" - David duChemin, who added "The biggest lie we can listen to, or worse, tell ourselves, is that a bigger, newer, shinier camera will make better photographs". NOW...we can either listen to the words of a respected pro OR...we can listen to the likes of this intellectually bankrupt troll. Where are you going to put your trust? It's a rhetorical question of course ;-)

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babalu
By babalu (3 months ago)

Just a quick peek-in help for this thread . Sources :
http://www.mirrorlessrumors.com/cameras/fuji-x-t1
Extract of rumored specs by above :
- tilt screen / ISO up to 51200 / magnestum body / EVF: 2.36 million OLED, 0.005s lag <- this is EVF spec, the world highest / 0.08s AF speed (world fastest) / with optional battery grip / WIFI

Here is the updated specs list

announcement January 28th (trusted source)
bigger (x77 magnification) and better (high performance) EVF / (trusted + anonymous sources)
APS-C X-Trans sensor II (16MP) / (trusted + anonymous sources)
support for the UHS-II SD-card for super-fast writing speed / (trusted sources)
dual SD-Card slot (trusted source)
8fps with AF tracking / (trusted source)
weather sealed body / (trusted sources)
tilt screen (source who was right in the past, but not yet upgraded to trusted source + new source)

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babalu
By babalu (3 months ago)

continued :
SLR-type (Fujica) design / (source who was right in the past, but not yet upgraded to trusted source)
name: X-T1 / (anonymous source + Fujifilm)
WiFi
ISO up to 51200 (new source)
smaller than the X-E2 (anonymous source)
18-55 kit lens (anonymous source + other rumor sites)
18-135 will be weather sealed (other rumor sites)
in stores mid-February (other rumor sites + anonymous source)
price range between X-E and X-PRO line / (new and anonymous sources)
priced at 180,000 yen (other rumor sites) or $1,8000 (anonymous source)
additional battery grip / (anonymous source)
faster AF then X-E2 / (new source) [I think that this source confused faster writing speed with faster AF-speed]
.
- I guess the price above is not correct - would be less IMO .

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

Does it's Wifi gives remote control over the live-view?

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venancio
By venancio (3 months ago)

new clear photos of XT1 at Fuji rumors... wow... it even has something for those who need more than 1 battery per session... I guess a full frame thingy would be a move, and no longer be just posturing...

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

no no fullframe please ..
ask canon to make a dslr with medium format sensor, instead!!

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saints66
By saints66 (3 months ago)

Ok so the mirror is dead but will camera be too small and the price too high ?

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gerard boulanger
By gerard boulanger (3 months ago)

Mirror is not dead, but EVF are getting better and better. One day they will be so good it will be it.

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anjin2
By anjin2 (3 months ago)

Why? Because are there many people like you? :P Mirrorless can be small, retro, fullframe ....

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camerosity
By camerosity (3 months ago)

hopefully mirrorless...

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (3 months ago)

pretty much assured

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

a fake SLR and genuine mirrorless.

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technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

In what way is it a fake SLR. Has a pretend mirror does it? No.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

SLRs are fake digital!!!

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

It's only a fake SLR to those who don't understand, that the purpose of the "hump" is to house a large EVF, not a pentaprism. Not everyone prefers to have the EVF placed in the corner.

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DDWD10
By DDWD10 (3 months ago)

If you think about it, the only thing really keeping DSLRs from becoming mirrorless, which is the logical progression for a *digital* camera, is the quality of the EVF. Sony has hedged on this with the A99 among others.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

fake SLR and genuine mirrorless
nothing wrong here.

maybe similar (but worse in design) to E-M5
then just wait until they get their own E-M1,
which of course has things to be improved.

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SteveNunez
By SteveNunez (3 months ago)

Based on looks, it looks great......hope they price it right!

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michael19843
By michael19843 (3 months ago)

Surprised they haven't released a full frame product with a few lenses. Could be the development costs of these sensors are prohibitive.

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knize10
By knize10 (3 months ago)

Its a teaser page now but it will end up in the landfill in 5 years.

waste, waste and more waste.

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Woodlink
By Woodlink (3 months ago)

as will the electronic device you typed your comment on.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

knize10:

How will an electronic representation ever end up in the landfill?

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WayneHuangPhoto
By WayneHuangPhoto (3 months ago)

I think you're on the wrong site. Did you mean to navigate to stopwaste.org?

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (3 months ago)

Are you still using a Leica 111?

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

This is why my kids are only allowed to play with sticks and pine cones. I refuse to buy them a Playstation that will end up destroying the environment. It's bad enough that I got one for myself.

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calking
By calking (3 months ago)

@revenant
Brilliant! LOL

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gandulfc
By gandulfc (3 months ago)

I've seen the pictures of the x100 and the xpro and all I can say is they look stunning... unfortunately, for my work I also need good video, and video capabilities on the fuji are downright atrocious

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Then get a video camera. Or say the Panasonic GX7.

Old Fuji models you cite there.

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gandulfc
By gandulfc (3 months ago)

what I mean is, if fuji had video as good as their stills they would have a ton more customers... not everyone has the budget to buy several cameras

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

gandul:

There are less expensive still cameras with APSC sensors and excellent lenses, get one of those, say a Samsung NX300 and then you can also get a video camera.

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gandulfc
By gandulfc (3 months ago)

Oh yeah, I'm totally aware of that, but I just think it is a stupid move from fuji to include such a horrid video function... they could aswell have left it out. Samsung... no thanks. I personally have several good apsc amd mft cameras but, out the box I prefer the fuji images. But I can't travel to certain countries with several cameras, plus that most people can't justify having two cameras (financially).
Commercialy seen, they would push a lot more units with a decent video function. No denying that.

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pew pew
By pew pew (3 months ago)

sexy camera but 1800$.....

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MJJSevilla
By MJJSevilla (3 months ago)

That price is probably wrong. Rumour sites are now saying 1200. It was a mis conversion from the Japan price that seems to have been spread around the internet...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

it doesn't worth 800 as a camera,
it worths more than 1800 for those who don't know camera,
targeted customers of m4/3" and Df, too.

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

How you what worths is it? You opinions bizarre and troll worths not very much. use camera ever you? You words crazy like English mashup haha. Like you crack smoke?Me think so under troll bridge belong you

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technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

Absolutely right Ranford.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

Well said Ranford .. but I must say if you don't take her seriously .. sometimes .. she is a very funny troll!!

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

@Naveed Akhtar...in the name of everything that's holy please tell me that annoying little tick is NOT female! I'm thinking young male, no more than 30, with lots of magazines and few photos. It CAN'T be female. Please! :-(

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

@Ranford .. I am also assuming it dude, considering, I never understand few women, and she is acting the same. Also many think he is a boy, but no one knows maybe she is a robot. As all she is saying typical spam words repeatedly. No soul, no purpose, just calculations and obvious things like:

Big sensors gather more light. This lens got less glass. f/1,4 is like f/2.8 in this format to that. 100mm is actually 150mm and all those crazyiness..

so am assuming if she is really not a girl, who is rejected multiple times because of her stubbornness, she must be a simulation written by DPReview programmers to annoy a few or make others laugh by simulating this troll. For one obvious purpose, making others write on the forum, like me and you :))

not a bad idea, am a programmer too and think it would be fun to code yabokkie one day!!

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

@Naveed...gather the Mission Impossible team...it may take the rest of your life...and find his/her/its photos! Good luck ;-)

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marike6
By marike6 (3 months ago)

Do the mushy greens and heavy NR come standard? :-)

But seriously, it's all well and good to make another APS-C camera but with DSLR styling, but unless the RAW conversion issues with Lightroom are sorted (which they really aren't as of yet), it's going to be tough for RAW shooters to get excited about this body.

Doing command line RAW processing with dcraw or investing in yet another converter like Capture One is not all that appealing. Nor is shooting 8-bit JPEGs.

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le_alain
By le_alain (3 months ago)

Try PhotoNinja

X-trans raw are perfectly and quickly extracted
:)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

marike6:

ACR 8 is pretty darn good with raws from these Fuji bodies.

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MJJSevilla
By MJJSevilla (3 months ago)

I have none of those problems with my X Pro and I´m not undemanding. RAW conversion has been much improved, even with Lightroom. And I ONLY shoot RAW and most of the time I use ACR.

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kecajkerugo
By kecajkerugo (3 months ago)

marike6, we are in January , 2014 ...wake up, read recent articles...also about the Fuji cameras. Do not base your opinion on some old post from 2012 year.....
There are some new converters available too

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Kali108
By Kali108 (3 months ago)

Marike6...actually my Xpro1 made me search for alternatives to Lightroom for which I am very grateful...for my D800 as well as my Xpro1. I much prefer my new workflow...Photomechanic + Iridient Developer. IQ is stellar for XP1...and noticeably better for D800 too.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (3 months ago)

Fuwho? :-)

(In the USA, they are a pretty obscure brand.)

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (3 months ago)

And yet, I, living in the US, have had more Fuji stuff than Nikon and Canon put together. :)

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (3 months ago)

If true, then you Yankees have missed something essential. Fuji is quite special.

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Vladik
By Vladik (3 months ago)

Is it essential to go from none to 5 models of Interchangeable lens cameras in 2 years? Lately Fuji is looking more and more like Samsung, "Let cover the world with every possible price point camera and see if we get more market-share"

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MJJSevilla
By MJJSevilla (3 months ago)

Well first of all I don´t live in the USA so thats not really very relevant to me. Out and about I see plenty of cameras that people on DPR are always telling me are "obscure" like Olympus or Pentax or Fuji, so I can only assume that what´s obscure in one place isn´t in others.

Secondly considering Fujifilm were pretty famous for their films, particularly slide films like Provia and Velvia which were used by most of my photographic heroes and some cases still are, you´d have to know very little about the history of photography to consider Fuji "obscure". And I´m in my mid thirties and younger than most people on this site it seems so I´m not nostalgically harking back to some distant era either. I´m talking about 10 years ago.

Thirdly, my X Pro is a niche product. I bought it because it was a niche I was interested in. A niche product is always going to be less popular. So what? Does it make it less useful or mean my photos self destruct after a few weeks or something?

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Babka08
By Babka08 (3 months ago)

What part of the USA doesn't know about Fuji?

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le_alain
By le_alain (3 months ago)

who know about USA ?

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DonSantos
By DonSantos (3 months ago)

sexy camera

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (3 months ago)

http://tinyurl.com/ososy3x

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al_in_philly
By al_in_philly (3 months ago)

Thanks! That link had lots of useful information and images.

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (3 months ago)

Thanx from me also.

It looks very good. I am tempted.

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Valentinian
By Valentinian (3 months ago)

Questions (waiting for Jan 28 for answers):
is AF better than E M-5 ?
is EVF better than E M-5 ?
is shutter up to 1/8000 ?
is as reliable as the E M-5 ?

If the answers are "yes", if more lenses will come up, and Olympus does not upgrade the E M-5 within 12 months (forget the E M1 -that's for 4/3 lenses), then I will switch to Fuji

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (3 months ago)

1. Maybe. Specs boasts AF 8 fps in continuous drive mode. Not even the E-M1 goes that fast, but if all the shots are out of focus then those specs are irrelevant

2. Yes. Size, resolution and lag.

3. No, 1/4000

4. Too early to tell, but in that price range, one would expect more of a workhorse camera, more like the E-M1 than the E-M5.

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Dennis Linden
By Dennis Linden (3 months ago)

The AF question could be confused, but having owned an EM5, I think you are asking about Continuous Tracking Autofocus, which in my experience trying to shoot sports with the EM5, is a problem, as it is with all CDAF systems regardless of how fast they claim to be. We shall see. Importantly we need to see how it tracks with the longer focal lengths, not sub 35mm

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

there are some okay lenses for m4/3" but in general both of m4/3" and Fuji X have a long long way to go to improve their glasses, from scratch.

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (3 months ago)

"m4/3" and Fuji X have a long long way to go to improve their
glasses, from scratch"

Because yabokkie says so.

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (3 months ago)

@Dennis

Actually, I understood the OP's question as single shot AF, in speed and accuracy. But no real world test about it yet. The specs about continuous AF do suggest improved performance compared to the XE-1, albeit no guarantees.

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technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

Yabookie aka irrational_leica_hater never has anything sensible to add to these discussions.

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bcalkins
By bcalkins (3 months ago)

Why reject the em-1 as being for 4/3 lenses?

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

@fakuryu & @technotic..seek out this froot loop's other postings on this forum. I think "ignorant" and "troll" have been truly re-defined. Either that or the world has misunderstood this genius ;-)

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> irrational_leica_hater

Leica lenses should be good if made by third-class Japanese makers.

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technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

Like I said troll yab you are irrational.

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SBoudreault
By SBoudreault (3 months ago)

Yabokkie's just a troll… over 3000's comments and not a single "like" :)

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

Forums are where people like this go to express an opinion without being physically laughed out of the room. His words are childish and poorly constructed suggesting English isn't his first language. Not his fault naturally, but his opinions are and it would be more appropriate if he wrote them down in crayon and stuck them to his bedroom wall where he can look upon them and marvel. In solitude. Sad in some way when you think that this is the only way he can get attention, albeit making a complete fool of himself.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

@Ranford don't be so harsh on her, maybe she is a robot!!

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

@Naveed Akhtar...again! Again you say "her". No no no! If it's true then the balance needs adjustment. At the moment it's all "artificial" with no "intelligence".

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (3 months ago)

I can't understand the complaints about "retro" dials. I think the problem stems from the over simplification of designs over the years and the fact that people just want instant results, instant everything. In the old days you had to learn a given camera not expect the camera "to learn you". External controls are great and give you immediate control over features, instead of having to borrow into menus when you should be concentrating in picture taking. This is one of the reasons why I still love my Minolta 7D so much. Everything you need is one button or one click away, which is so much more logical. You learn the camera, you learn the buttons and you learn how many clicks for your exposure compensation, WB, etc and off you go. Not having to take you eye off the viewfinderto go into menus is a major bonus.

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Jogger
By Jogger (3 months ago)

Have you ever even used an SLR? You dont need to "borrow into menus" to change the settings that are controlled by the dials on the Fuji. Thats complete nonsense.

Most pros who use their DSLRs daily can change settings blindfolded.

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doctorbza
By doctorbza (3 months ago)

This is true. While I love Fuji's external controls, i.e. aperture rings, there's nothing that can't be changed just as easily on my 5D by pressing the appropriate button on the top plate and moving my index finger. In fact, I can change more on the 5D by a long shot.

That said, the simplicity of aperture ring, shutter speed and exposure comp as found on, say, the X100 is wonderful to work with if you don't need easy access to additional things like metering modes and drive modes. The tactile feedback is nicer than on a DSLR.... just not necessarily any better.

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Jim in Hudson
By Jim in Hudson (3 months ago)

Putting the EC compensation dial where it is is great but I'm still a bit in the dark when trying to understand the value of the top plate control dials for shutter and ISO. Of course some people shoot in manual mode all of the time and this arrangement works well for them. But what if either shutter or ISO are in A? How do you adjust them up or down without basically starting over from scratch? It's a bit like all the angst over removing the aperture ring on lenses. Great if you don't use them in A but if you're in A and want to change one stop up or down???

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achim k
By achim k (3 months ago)

Indeed this new Fuji reminded me instantly of the Minolta 7D. I like this control layout!

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lxcellent
By lxcellent (3 months ago)

You do a different type of photography with the X series cameras and lenses. It's not about speed. It's about deliberation and creating a photo, not taking a shot. If I want a snapshot, I use my iPhone, if I want to shoot action, I use my Canon 1D series bodies. If I want to compose a shot that will reflect what I am thinking and seeing as an artists, then I use my X-E1. The dials are not about speed. It's about the process of crafting the photo with a tool that invites you to slow down and be creative and deliberative. By bringing me back to my film days with my Pentax K1000, LX, and 67, the Fuji cameras allow me to experience the photo making process all over again. A joy I had forgotten that I was missing.

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Le Frog
By Le Frog (3 months ago)

@Jim in Hudson: I am not sure I get your question. If you shoot in manual mode, you just manipulate the aperture ring and the speed and ISO dials; in theory, there should be an indication on the back screen (and the EVF) whether the picture is over or under exposed and how much (or you can look at the histogram). In the film days, advanced cameras, such as my old beloved FE2, had two needles, moving over a table with speed values, on the right side of the viewfinder (there was also a small window at the bottom of the viewfinder, where you could see the aperture); when the needles aligned, you knew you had the correct exposure. And instead of exposure compensation, you could misalign them slightly. Nothing quicker or more intuitive than that. It's the click-and switch-and click-and search into the menus that is totally counter-intuitive, slow, and frustrating. For me, this works only for settings that I only change rarely (eg white balance).

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (3 months ago)

lxcellent,

I see this a lot. Is there some reason you can't take the same time to think about the image you want, and how you are going to take the shot, with a 1D as with a Fuji? Is it because the camera is lighter and smaller, so you find it less distracting? I had a Fuji X-E1, and now have a 6D, but I still take the same time find the angle I want, the composition and lighting I want. In fact, the 6D is a horrible camera for taking a lot of fast shots, especially of moving things. I do miss the directness of my Fuji, and being able to see the settings at a glance at the whole camera, rather than small type in an LCD screen, but overall I find taking pictures I like much easier with my 6D. So, I am interested in what I am missing. :)

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Jim in Hudson
By Jim in Hudson (3 months ago)

@Le Frog: Yes, I understand the ability to use these control dials in manual mode where you can see the effect on exposure reported in the viewfinder. What I don't understand (and this could be strictly from ignorance) is how do you quickly jump out of A mode for either shutter or ISO to make a minor adjustment? If the camera sets itself to ISO 800 under A, for example, and I want to go to ISO 400, in most cameras you simply move the ISO control by "one click" or whatever. Here, it seems like you have to move the setting off of A and then go find the 400 setting. Definitely a slower process. Am I missing something?

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (3 months ago)

@Jim. It is quite easy. Just put all dials, shutter aperture and ISO on A for full auto. To make an exposure compensation, use the exposure compensation. If you want to fix one or two or all three of aperture, time and IS0, do so. Full flexibility with a super logical interface.

Most other cameras tries to hide this simplicity behind strange modes, called Tax or something, and still do not have as much flexibility.

The only modes that do more than this simple approach, that I know of, is the Pentax hyper modes. They are brilliant.

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lxcellent
By lxcellent (3 months ago)

Caerolle: Indeed, you can be deliberate with any camera, but the 1D bodies don't put you in the mood to slow down. Let me put it this way: The Fuji bodies make it feel like I am more in control. It's like driving a manual instead of an automatic. There is no doubt that the automatics these days are far better than manuals at many things, but there is nothing that connects you to the car and the road like a manual transmission. Of course, I still get to the destination, but it is WAY more fun to use a manual transmission to get there. Not always convenient, but fun. This is how I feel about the X series. I feel more connected, I do slow down more, and my images are better. I could do this with my Canons, but those rigs don't encourage me to do so like my X-E1. Ahh...maybe it's all horse poop...

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (3 months ago)

Thanks, lxcellent :)

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EricAotearoa
By EricAotearoa (3 months ago)

I've got an EM-5 thinking the two control dials would imitate the shutter speed dial and an offset (really offset) aperture ring/dial. But it's just not the same, as they are blank. You have to look at the LCD screen or the OVF to know the settings. You have to remember to have the correct screen info displaying, otherwise you have to toggle through the display settings. As for ISO settings, you have to bring up right display in which to set it, and this can take several button pushes. It's all just too flaming confusing and time consuming. Could use one of the function buttons, but they're already taken. With this new Fuji X-T1 it's all layed out in front of you, even before you turn the camera on. It's instant, you know where you are. I really wish this had come out at the same time as the EM-5 because now I have no more money to jump ship, so to speak.

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Ranford Stealth
By Ranford Stealth (3 months ago)

@lxcellent...agree 100%. No it's not horse caca lol! MANY other X series users have reported the same thing, so we're all in the same boat. Slower, deliberate, considered. Great backgrounds, light, mood, great subject, etc. It's not all shooting at bullet-stopping speeds and cheetahs running across some veldt! At least in my field, beauty/fashion portraiture. And still haven't felt the need for *gasp* FF and/or 40mp ;-)

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (3 months ago)

It will be interesting to see how this camera falls out in 'popularity' thing once DPR puts it in that system.

Though for some reason all cameras don't seem to get put there, I don't think the A7s did?

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

I'm sure A7 or A7R had been on the popularity list, if they had accumulated enough clicks, but obviously they didn't. I don't think that DPR actively chooses not to include certain cameras. Why would they?

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sandy b
By sandy b (3 months ago)

They were there, just not for very long.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (3 months ago)

I have no idea why. It seems hard to believe, with all the buzz on the A7s, and how the NEX forum exploded, that they wouldn't even break into the top ever how many are listed.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (3 months ago)

Sandy, I didn't realize that, I never saw them on there. With the A7 winning camera of the year all over the place, and people going crazy over it, I am very surprised it didn't move up the list.

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SelfMotivator
By SelfMotivator (3 months ago)

Agreed. It's just like 'fashion' cycle. People get sick of seeing digital menus, etc., so a change is all they need. While I don't against these 'retro' style thing, the downside of physical controls are that YOU CANNOT CHANGE IT. For instance, if they add 1/8000s in the future, firmware upgrade does nothing to you. Besides, crowded buttons and knobs are prone for breakage, dirt attractions and also cost increase.

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nathondetroit
By nathondetroit (3 months ago)

If you build fast primes, they will come...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Hasn't exactly worked for Samsung, and the NX system's auto focus is much less problematic than many Fuji X cameras.

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (3 months ago)

Sure, but Fujifilm will quickly find out you need "affordable" primes also in order to gain more traction among the enthusiast market.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

HowaboutRAW .. less problematic is not an advantage specially when you don't have a unique selling point. There is already better or equal APSC mirrorless available ..

Fuji on the other hand got its sensor and retro styling, that please some folks .. now here if they are building lens catalog .. than that really counts ..

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Naveed:

The Samsung NX lenses are a selling point. And the Samsung NX AF was better than Fuji's from the start of the NX system years ago.

Now Fuji has improved the AF with the XE2 and indeed Fuji lenses are a selling point.

Sony Nex lenses are kind of a joke compared to either Samsung or Fuji, though the best Samsung lenses are better than Fuji's lenses.

Also why imply that somehow Samsung APSC sensors aren't up to the Sony sensors likely used in this Fuji? Both the 14mp and 20mp sensors for the Samsung NX bodies are excellent.

Right, Samsung hasn't yet put a lot of effort into excellent body build quality and the buffers have been a problem. But it took years for Sony to come close to Samsung's NX menus, not really there yet, and even Fuji menus have some weirdness.

So Samsung has selling points, but doesn't attract.

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samhain
By samhain (3 months ago)

Because the 56mm f1.2 isn't fast enough for you?
Or the 23mm f1.4, or the 35mm f1.4?

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SelfMotivator
By SelfMotivator (3 months ago)

Samsung camera is like Huyndai cars in US 5-10 years ago so it may have to wait for another 5 years. Watch out Japanese makers, you better innovate or become obsolete!

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nathondetroit
By nathondetroit (3 months ago)

My comment was summarizing Fuji's philosophy:)

(And also a movie reference)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

SelfMotivatior:

That sort of works, except the NX lenses are already ahead of all Japanese lens makers.

And the APSC sensors are the equal of good Sony APSC sensors.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

I know what you mean mate .. NX sensor is not bad .. but how we can say its better than the other Bayor APSC sensors; except for say Canon's (that's what I meant, a unique selling point).

I am not talking here about german, korean, chinese or japenese manufacturers. am talking here purely on the basis of performance. trust me am very easy to get convinced, provided you tell me why!!

and take no offence mate!!

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X Faktor Photo
By X Faktor Photo (3 months ago)

Dear Canon.......

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viking79
By viking79 (3 months ago)

Sleek and sexy! That is one of the nicest looking retro mirrorless cameras yet. I bet that matches well with the new 56mm f/1.2 or existing 23mm f/1.4. That EVF looks huge, would be nice to finally see an EVF on par with a classic 35mm film camera.

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (3 months ago)

People, stop saying that iit looks like the Df! Fujifilm had their own classics, which were very nice and great little cameras, this camera is more like their own classic Fujica ST, STX,AX,AZ series SLRs. In fact, even the X mount to me looks like a throw back to their old Fujica X-mount with minor alterations and electronics.
So, let this little guy have its own personality folks!

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

why did Fujifilm abandon them if any of those cameras are any good?

btw, Nikon said that Df was at least partly inspired by X100.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (3 months ago)

Those cameras are not classics though, in fact they were quite unreliable and did not have the greatest build quality. The last thing Fuji would want to do is remind people of those cameras, including reviewers. They were also a bit of a sales flop.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

same for Olympus Pen and OM low cost, low quality cameras. though the low cost made them popular.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (3 months ago)

No that is not correct yabokkie. Pens were reliable and so were the vast majority of OM. The one that did have a bit of a reputation was the OM10. Quite a few of them did go wrong but they sold in huge numbers in the first place so the overall percentage was not too bad. With the Fuji SLR's it was different. They sold in small numbers and quite a high percentage use to go wrong especially the automatic exposure ones. Build quality was also below that of the OM10.

I use to sell all of them and was used to sending them back for repair. When someone brought a camera in to part exchange it was always the Fuji's that you would worry about as use to offer a 6 month guarantee on the camera when sold secondhand. It was a case of keeping your fingers crossed for six months.

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Cane
By Cane (3 months ago)

That thing looks like a df!

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (3 months ago)

"why did Fujifilm abandon them if any of those cameras are any good?"

Well, huh, I dunno, because they are over 30 years old?

As for the comment on reliability Stu,I totally disagree& also would a lot of cameraphiles and experts.They had great meters and in fact are considered solidly built cameras,by many including Ivor Matanle who if I recall well had a feature on them in AP years ago. The only reason why they were not selling well was because it was just another mount on the market. They sold well their M42 counterparts but when they changed to their X mount, it was just another mount in the market that was already dominated by Nikon and Canon (which the reason why they became dominant was simply because they were the first to cater to the professional and people just follow where the pros go). The Fujica X lenses are of the highest optical quality and are highly regarded. Look for their fast lenses particularly their fast wides and how much they still cost today.

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (3 months ago)

The only complaint I have ever heard from repairers about Fujicas were that their rangefinders, particularly the 35EE,SE,etc, were over engineered and a headache to repair, when you needed it repaired. So far the Fujicas I have including the rangefinders, have stood the test of time and will probably outlive me.
Just because your experience of them was bad, does not mean that they are bad cameras. I have had terrible experiences of Canon cameras yet I don't make blanket statements about them, because in the end experts and the market dictate the contrary.

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (3 months ago)

...which by the way, I am curious about your criteria for what constitutes a classic?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

for the OMs, the rule is that one should look for a third-party overhauled one to take photos for they are much better and reliable than originally manufactured by Olympus.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

Of all the nonsense...Olympus OM cameras were top quality (except for the cheap OM-10) but made to be lightweight which of course meant they couldn't be bricks like FT-QLs or Nikkormats. Then, as now, it wasn't cool to have anything except Nikon but that didn't have anything to do with taking pictures.

Some OM lenses are still sought after because they were better performers than Nikon or Canon and their small size makes sense for small digital cameras. You could say they were ahead of their time with small & lightweight.

I'm not sure why anyone cares but as a fashion statement I think it's obvious this new Fuji is less lumpy than the Df. Unless it's got a wooden base plate.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (3 months ago)

Provia_fan, sorry but I was actually selling the Fuji's so am well aware of the reliability issues having to handle the repairs. When you are actually selling cameras you are handling far more cameras of a model than any end user will ever handle. I am talking about a chain of shops selling the product. Shops have a far better knowledge of how reliable a model of camera is. The X mount cameras were not well made. They were not up to the standard of the main brands. That is not a personal view. That is stating it as it is. The electronics were not reliable. It is why their resale value was poor. You had to have enough profit margin to allow for a repair bill if the things went wrong as the repair bills were high.

Canon on the other hand had unreliable models. When Canon A1's went wrong they went wrong in style i.e. sometimes developing 5 shutter releases. But they sold in vast numbers so the percentage that went wrong was not so bad.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (3 months ago)

yabokkie that is complete rubbish about third-party repairs and Olympus cameras. It is laughable incorrect and you would know that if you had worked in the industry at the time.

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attomole
By attomole (3 months ago)

:By yabokkie (4 hours ago)
why did Fujifilm abandon them if any of those cameras are any good?"
Cmon Yabokkie, like a 52 Vincent, good for its day, but technology moved on, I had Fuji St 605, for many years, It was only when more sophisticated exposure systems and it was getting fairly worn did I part X it fir something new.

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konanon
By konanon (3 months ago)

This "not yet released' camera is certainly causing quite a stir already. Do we have an early candidate for 2014 camera of the year?

That said, I'm sure people are already lusting for the X-T2, ;)

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Kfrog
By Kfrog (3 months ago)

Fujifilm is really rollin' isn't it? Got to give them credit for all the buzz they're created with the X system.

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RFC1925
By RFC1925 (3 months ago)

I wonder why this time they left out the threaded shutter button.

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DDWD10
By DDWD10 (3 months ago)

If the body is weathersealed as rumored, that could be the reason.

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (3 months ago)

My quick thoughts in 3 categories:

Where the X-T1 overdelivers:
- huge EVF
- dials
- continuous shooting with AF

Where the X-T1 delivers as expected:
- weather sealing
- LCD
- retro design (for those who like that)
- price

Where the X-T1 falters
- flash synch speed
- 1/4000 shutter
- No IBIS

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RFC1925
By RFC1925 (3 months ago)

Falters
- Video (most likely)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

blue:

You do understand how flash sync has to work with a focal plane shutter, right?

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Cane
By Cane (3 months ago)

I am guessing Canikon won't be jealous of their af either.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Cane:

The autofocus on the Fuji XE2 is good.

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SelfMotivator
By SelfMotivator (3 months ago)

Good list to start with, bluevelvet. My criticism to Fuji are:

1) Flash system:

I don't own a CSC camera so cannot speak for Oly, Pana, but Fuji needs to upgrade its outdated flash system & x-sync to attract DSLR users who relies on flash. Its flash system is lacking slave modes, IR-assist AF, radio-remote control, groups and ratio control, etc. 1/180s is a joke for pro-shooters.

2) RAW conversion utility

Fuji's JPG is excellent but its X-Trans RAW format has been an issue with Lightroom, Aperture, etc.

3) Film Simulation Mode and Advanced Filters.

Given its world-known reputation in this area, it's the shame that these features can only be applied to JPG. They should provide them as software utility (like Photoshop Actions) that can be applied to RAW in editing software like Lightroom.
4) Retro style is good but do not go overboard with crowded buttons and controls which attract dirt, bulky, cannot-change after release.

5) Price point: > $1,500 will be a tough sell.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Self:

There's no problem extracting Fuji Xtrans raws with CaptureOne, PhotoNinja, or ACR 8.

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jtan163
By jtan163 (3 months ago)

The beginning of the end for DSLRs.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

Canon dual-pixel AF.

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (3 months ago)

Canon dual-pixel AF... which really did nothing by the way

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marike6
By marike6 (3 months ago)

From this camera?

We keep hearing about the "end of DSLRs", but DSLRs seem to be the ONLY large sensor cameras that are selling in any numbers at all.

All of the mirrorless vendors are in deep trouble financially and there is nothing about a niche camera from Fujifilm that will change this fact at all.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I have no doubt that that mirrorless is the future.
at present we only see great apes but no homo,
with two promising species Sony E and Canon EF-M mounts.

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viking79
By viking79 (3 months ago)

What will bring the end of DSLR is cost, it is cheaper to make mirrorless cameras, and as long as they can make attractive and well specified models like this X-T1, makers can get higher margins on them, it is win-win.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

marike6:

"All of the mirrorless vendors are in deep trouble financially", don't image that's true for Samsung. Or Leica.

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Cane
By Cane (3 months ago)

Would you benefit from that?

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marike6
By marike6 (3 months ago)

> What will bring the end of DSLR is cost

This X-T1 is going to cost near $1200, so you are talking near $2000 with the 18-55 f/2.8 or 35 f/1.4. Not exactly a frugal purchase.

Considering you can get a D610 FF for that near that price or a K-3 / D7100 for considerably less I don't see anything here that is going to change DSLR users over to the X system.

And the fact that none of the mirrorless vendors have any mindshare whatsoever with professionals, I can't imagine why anyone would assume these ILCs will mean anything at all for DSLR sales, which are still absolutely creaming mirrorless camera sales.

> don't image that's true for Samsung. Or Leica.

Samsung's camera division is close to last place in mirrorless camera sales, and Leica makes rangefinders, not mirrorless cameras (besides, Leica has but a tiny percentage of the camera market).

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (3 months ago)

In the USA it's Fuwho? Their obscure products are no threat to Canon and Nikon DSLRs.

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samhain
By samhain (3 months ago)

I think Marike6 may be yabookie's wife...

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

marike6:

The point you missed was that unlike Sony, Panasonic, Nikon etc Samsung is not in financial trouble.

I said not a word about NX sales.

Rangefinders are in fact mirrorless, sans AF.

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marike6
By marike6 (3 months ago)

> I think Marike6 may be yabookie's wife...

Don't know who you or Yabookie is, but I do know that I already have a wife. And I also know that none of these pricey mirrorless niche cameras are a threat to DSLRs at all.

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M DeNero
By M DeNero (3 months ago)

You people have been saying that for what, 5 years now? Meanwhile Canon and Nikon continue to rack up sales and profits with DSLRs, while the mirrorless brigade hangs by a thread over insolvency.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

M DeNero:

Nikon and Canon sell DSLRs, but "profit"?

And I'm not one who thinks that SLRs will disappear.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (3 months ago)

can we have that in SILVER please ?

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (3 months ago)

You can. I'll even chip in for a can of paint for you.

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Cane
By Cane (3 months ago)

I'll throw in a rust colored leisure suit and you can pretend it's 1972 again with a complete costume.

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John Miles
By John Miles (3 months ago)

Please let it have either a 2/3" or even 1/1.7" sensor

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KonstantinosK
By KonstantinosK (3 months ago)

O_o

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DanielFjall
By DanielFjall (3 months ago)

"Unfortunately", it's an APS-C sized sensor.

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rad00p
By rad00p (3 months ago)

LOL

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

John what are you smoking?

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Aleo Veuliah
By Aleo Veuliah (3 months ago)

Well done Fuji.

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fliegertiger
By fliegertiger (3 months ago)

price ???? any indication? any????

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venancio
By venancio (3 months ago)

$1200-1300 body only, $1800-$2000 with 18-135mm weather sealed f2.8-4

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

180,000 yen, or $1,700 body only (maybe a little less). No way 18-135 is going to be f/2.8-f/4.

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (3 months ago)

Based on Fuji Rumors:

*Body only: €1200
*Body + 18-55mm: €1600
*Body + 18-135mm: €1800

The 18-135mm will likely be the f3.5-5.6 variety.

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (3 months ago)

Fujifilm has already said that the 18-135mm will be F3.5-5.6, in the latest lens roadmap

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (3 months ago)

You can wait 6 days can't you?

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SelfMotivator
By SelfMotivator (3 months ago)

Latest rumors said €1200 or $US1300, which I think is about right.

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Northgrove
By Northgrove (3 months ago)

Lovely. A clear competitor to the E-M1. Looks similar to the Nikon Df but in a more usable format, at least for me. Since I love the Fujifilm JPEG's and color output, this may just be the one to make me finally sell my Nikon stuff.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

the design doesn't look better than E-M5.

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Provia_fan
By Provia_fan (3 months ago)

Nothing like the DF, it's more like their own classics the Fujica ST, STX, AX, AZ...you catch my drift. They were great looking and great cameras. I own an AX5 with the super rare Photorecorser.

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SylvainBdg
By SylvainBdg (3 months ago)

No official specs, no sample images and already so many negative comments….
Would like you be happy to be considered dummies without having the opportunity to defend yourself? Well, people might not like the retro look of the camera but think twice before comparing the camera to a FF..different cater and different users..peace!

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (3 months ago)

The comment thread seems to be trending overwhelmingly positive, especially when you factor in the "likes". And rightly so, if you ask me.

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