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CES 2014: Best of the show (minus the bendy TVs)

By Barney Britton on Jan 11, 2014 at 05:38 GMT
CES 2014: Best of the show (minus the bendy TVs)
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CES 2014: Best of the show (minus the bendy TVs)

The DPReview team has returned from the annual Consumer Electronics Show in las Vegas, Nevada, back to the gloriously cloudy, wet skies of Seattle (and we're not being sarcastic when we say that it's a welcome contrast). CES is mostly about home audio, communication and apparently drones, but there were plenty of new photography-related products launched this year, and the show gave us an interesting insight into the future of some key developing technologies.

And now, in no particular order, click through for a look at some of our show highlights!

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Total comments: 53
gerard boulanger
By gerard boulanger (3 months ago)

Nothing major re. photography gear @ CES this year. It was almost all about 4k and TV

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

Hey, anybody here? Well here's an idea. Camera designers better take note. I'll be waiting on a check. Yeah right!

I realize the "devil" is in the details *and* also the ever lost art of important *combined* photographic benefits(that matter). So anyway, here is is...

For the sake of realism, for the visionary challenged (sorry; but it so true), I will start with the lowly "4/3" sized sensor.

Make a thing like that with just the 4/3 sensor at first, and that has no lens! Just a M4/3 mount over the sensor, wireless connection and other control devises; that are open source programmable for the controlling smart phone(not extra cost to you?) This has the potential of stellar, game changing VALUE for your dollar and less obsolescence (and user friendly dependability, and auto upgrading security for the phone/camera controller/viewer).

Cont...

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

Now look! Then you could use any already existing M43 lens, and while they are currently double priced for there quality, they are a lot smaller. In fact, this entire visualized, smaller system, per quality, and per total cost, is superior! You really only need about two primes if you know what you're doing; for MOST things. But wait! you know all that manual lens adapting fun, that goes along with old affordable lenses? Well, there you go. The only issues is current 4/3 sensors do not yet have a clean ISO 3200. We need better color sensitivity, now matter how big the sensor size vs. Mpx affects them, and it does. I just start with a M43 type phone-add-on, and then it connects to your lens idea. So you may already have the camera "body, and you may have the lenses, and the sensor/wireless/adapter/controller SHOULD BE MUCH MORE INEXPENSIVE TO MAKE!

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

Finishing...

Another reason I just started with m43, is this allows easily imaginable, full AF AE in currently existing m43 lens selections. Not manual focus only, and not glaring mismatches. Just as long as you understand that a f/1.8 on a m43 lens is not the same background blur (at its equivalent angle) as it is in full frame, by far. The Bokeh at full frame on just f/1.8 is analogous to an f/0.95 would be, over a 4/3rds sensor. Not to be confused with light gathering; just the option to effect your preferred background blur instantly. However, given all things equal, the bigger sensor has many better photographic abilities. Namely that color sensitivity for portraits. Therefore, who's to say this could not be made in various APS-C, and/or FF designs?

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

All these reference components that already exist! ...Nothing else to conquer; but the putting them together. Not that they could not be improved, along the way. Because God forbid we leap forward at any given time! [sarcasm sorry]

Now do you get...

Your phone, this "wireless sensor to lens mount" adapter, and a pancake lens all fits in your pocket, and yet out strips the best current pocket camera, both with costs, and with IMAGE QUALITY. Not to mention flexibility, and other manual focus lens fun. Like a very cost effective telephoto, and macro usages; from old lenses.

Yes! This is a paradigm shift. Can you Handel it? Else do you fear change, that’s for the better? We need a solution to that, I tell ya.

For you naysayers out there, I realize the laws of physics, and plain current reality need to be respected; but none have been disrupted, in this idea. So why is that unrealistic? What's left, and why doesn't this exist already? Now that’s beyond the scope of the unreasonable.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

4/3" is definitely not a bad format but to have good photos,
(1) it needs ISO 25 or lower in adequate light
(2) it needs f/0.7 primes and f/1.4 zooms in low light
(low cost f/0.9 primes and f/2.0 zooms for budget users).

then it will be on level ground with 35mm format in quality which is still not very good but is the best for most.

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

The small phone, small "adapter", and small P20 m43 pancake is but one way to go.

We know that current better quality comes from bigger sensors. Next let's consider a good example of a known APS-C sized sensor in a wireless, clip-to-smart-phone adapter, with a Nikon F mount, to name one. Now any Nikon compatible lens is controlled by your cell phone, with state of the art sensor. Perhaps the 35mm DX AF-S lens. The system is then complete, with AF, AE and video. Not pocket-able; but still SMALLER,and LESS cost.

Of course this wireless to lens mount adapter could be overpriced; but what about it's design would make it comparably expensive? Nothing! By it's very nature, it should be far less expensive. There's no regular body, no screen, and no lens.

But that's not to say camera pricing is sane, or reasonable. This is a huge opportunity; where if some company doesn't do it, another will.

Flange back distance to mount = this concept adapto-cam Size.
Phone + above adapter + lens.

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

Why do this instead of a preferred camera, or system?

1. It cost less, all things considered.

2. You already have, or can get a smart phone cheaper.

3. Custom screen interface and phone integration.

4. Wireless lens/mount.

5. Hackable phone "body" and potential open software programmable continuing upgrades.

6. Many lens options. Photo and video flexibility.

7. Most camera bodies are bigger than smart-phones so you'd have a smaller total, modular system, per image quality.

8. You do not have to carry anything but the phone, at all times. It breaks down into separate pockets/bags. Take the extra modules (adapter, and lens for the task) for the photographic task at hand.

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technotic
By technotic (3 months ago)

Oh diddums ilh (yab). Santa not got you a Phase One for Christmas? Still got those bad bad 35mm cameras. Ahhhhhh.

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Neodp
By Neodp (3 months ago)

I have a better idea:

How about a slimmer pocket camera that comes with two removable pancake prime lenses, and an auto cover (like lens covers) for the lens removed body? This way, the 3 or just 2 carried parts truly fit into your pockets *and* allows a better camera design(IQ/flexibility), than the RX100 II. Each of the two primes are optimized specifically for the body. A normal focal, and portrait. This could also allow for some affordable custom lens adapters; but that game has it's problems. Though still fun to do.

The auto cover for when a lens is removed, is a great idea by its self!

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JWest
By JWest (3 months ago)

Great to see Samsung getting the recognition they deserve. Their NX system ticks all the major boxes - a great quality APS-C sensor, fantastic ergonomics, and a remarkable range of glass. It's always been mystifying to me that they don't get a lot more attention.

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Low Budget Dave
By Low Budget Dave (3 months ago)

Samsung has the manufacturing and technical ability to dig into the market share of Nikon and Canon if they want to. As it is, they are putting big sensors in small packages, which is a pretty good start, but hurts Sony and Oly more than Canon and Nikon.

The problem so far is that they don't make any revolutionary cameras. Each model (so far) is basically a Sony with a few improvements.

I am looking forward to seeing how the NX30 matches up with the next round of Sony cameras. It sounds like the NX30 might be the camera to beat this year.

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ybizzle
By ybizzle (3 months ago)

Sadly nothing noteworthy this year. Hopefully CP+ will yield something more exciting!

3 upvotes
Alphoid
By Alphoid (3 months ago)

Why not talk about the curvy TVs? Those, in some ways, have more long-term implications for photography, and in particular, UWA photography than anything else announced.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (3 months ago)

Yeah, a big TV that is made less practical if more than one person wants to watch, that is going to be a great success. Families fighting for the center spot, yeah that is going to go down well...

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I miss the days when everyone fight for the controller to switch channels. now everyone watches own TV or PC display and it doesn't feel like a family.

hope the new TVs can bring family members really close.

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wudyi
By wudyi (3 months ago)

The Vegas strip is vacuous, impermanent and phony, from its boozers and losers to the monotonous hotels with their Styrofoam and plaster statues. That's in stark contrast to the stark beauty of the outlying desert parts.

6 upvotes
BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (3 months ago)

Let's move PMA to the desert then...

4 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

PMA has been in the desert for a number of years.

2 upvotes
KodaChrome25
By KodaChrome25 (3 months ago)

Let's move it to the Black Rock Desert in, say, late August, early September. Much to photograph!

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JohnEwing
By JohnEwing (3 months ago)

Panny wearable cam looks like a still from "The Man with Steel Lugholes and a Socket in the Back of His Head".

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Bernard Carns
By Bernard Carns (3 months ago)

Pretty boring show.
Sounds like the fog in Seattle is way more interesting.

9 upvotes
TacticDesigns
By TacticDesigns (3 months ago)

RE: The "stackable" Polaroid camera . . .

If you "stack" 2 of them together sideways . . . and get them to take the picture at the same time . . . would it be possible to use it to get 3D pictures / video?

"stack" one on backwards and get a picture / video of yourself skiing / boarding as well?

. . .

?

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (3 months ago)

Sure, just take the two JPEG pictures and put them into a wrapping container (MPO or JPO), that is what stereoscopic cameras like the Fuji "Real3D" W3 does.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (3 months ago)

"The HD Pentax-DA 20-40mm F2.8-4 ED Limited DC WR wasn't announced at CES (sorry for cheating) but this is the first time we've seen one in the flesh, so it still kind of counts - right?"

I am actually surprised about that. How is it possible that Pentax didn't send you this lens? A bunch of websites have already reviewed it. I would imagine they would send it out to everyone for testing right away.

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io_bg
By io_bg (3 months ago)

I highly doubt the D4 will have a 24 or even 36 mp sensor. It'll probably be the same old 16 mp one with some slight improvements (just like the slight differences between the Df and D4 IQ).

2 upvotes
Joel Benford
By Joel Benford (3 months ago)

I'm expecting a mid-life refresh -- the low ISO dynamic range improvements from the Df, a few more FPS and 1080P60 from the new processor, button tweaks, that kind of thing.

Extra pixels and 4k sound like a D5.

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SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (3 months ago)

Ken's got the full story... he sez.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d4s.htm

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I'd appreciate if D4S can have 72 MPix or much more,
won't mind lower output resolution like 24 MPix at 12 fps
if Nikon says it's impossible for them to readout more.

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ThePhilips
By ThePhilips (3 months ago)

About #3, wearable 4K:
"... and just still taking frames from the footage for newspapers and magazines rather than carrying a dedicated stills camera."

Are you looking for the next "revolution" in photography?

I spend some time thinking about it, and I do not think it is going to be that easy. 4K in itself is not even the enabler. Lytro/etc tech allows to adjust focus. But that alone is not enough, though IMO would be a prerequisite. Adjustment of DOF and perspective at the moment are only possible with the stereo imaging. IOW, you need two cam setup shooting in parallel, using Lytro-like sensor, to allow for correction of: AF errors, DOF and perspective.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

the next revolution "has been" 8K for long time.
video will make much better still.

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (3 months ago)

The next revolution will be a wearable Nikon D5. Time to begin training your neck muscles.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> DOF and perspective

perspective is the single most important thing in photography but DoF is only a secend level tool and works within the limit of one-shot still photograph.

we will have better subject highlighting / isolation with video generated still that's impossible with today's "pure still."

still means bad quality and limited expression.

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Matewka
By Matewka (3 months ago)

About Pentax lens you say: "we're intending to pair one with the K-3 in the next couple of weeks and give both camera and lens a detailed look".

I'm talking about the camera. So you made a "first-impressions" review of the camera on Oct 7th and abandoned it? Then the camera wins the "Best SLR of 2013" competition and you kindly ask a rhetorical question: "(...) probably (...) we should get going with our full review, right?" And now we still have to wait "next couple of weeks" to see the full review?

If this review is going to show up in the middle of February then it's 4,5 months since release!

I'm very disappointed with you DPR.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Hi Metewka - in November we were very focused on the buying guide content:

http://www.dpreview.com/buying-guides?utmcampaign=internal-link&utmsource=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu

Which readers have been asking for, for years so reviews took a short hiatus, but the K-3 review (which will take some time, being such a complex camera) is a major priority.

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JaimeA
By JaimeA (3 months ago)

Not even a passing mention of the Sony stand, a company that consistently goes ahead of others in the creative and innovative department. Why?

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Sony released a lot of products some way ahead of the show.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

(and the a5000 which was released at CES is now in this article)

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onlooker
By onlooker (3 months ago)

If that faux Kodak made it into the best of show, CES is doomed.

8 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

this year's CES is a platform for Koreans and Chinese.
Kodak is more like a convenient band-aid.

2 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

brand-aid. :)

7 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

I thought a simple minded person should be able to see the letter "r" without spelling it out and I was right.

I'm supprised so many people needed help.

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remo1232
By remo1232 (3 months ago)

Is there something wrong with this article/website? I am clicking to read it but it keeps looping back to the home page.

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ronniet
By ronniet (3 months ago)

Me, too. What's up dpreview?
I haven't been able to click through to any of the promised information about CES.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Can you describe the exact issue? I can't replicate it.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Is is possible your browser is set up to open links in a new window? This might cause the issues you're reporting.

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Mike921
By Mike921 (3 months ago)

I think the reason why people don't take Samsung (or Sony for that matter) seriously is because their product range is so diverse, eliminating photographic products due to poor financial performance will be relatively easy and financially painless for them. However, on the consumer side we all have the problem of 'investments' in glass, and it won't be financially painless for us to make a change.

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quiquae
By quiquae (3 months ago)

For Samsung, there's also the perception that they are treating ILCs as an afterthought of their very successful mobile phone business--a perception enhanced by products like Galaxy NX, not to mention their internal organization which put the camera business under the mobile phone business unit.

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

I suspect the re-organization of Samsung was just a way to "hide" a non-profitable division within a hugely profitable one. It looks better in the financial report that way.

4 upvotes
straylightrun
By straylightrun (3 months ago)

The Samsung 16-50 should be 24-75, not 25-75m

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rurikw
By rurikw (3 months ago)

I have read that the crop factor is 1.54 so it should be 24,64-77mm.

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BorisAkunin
By BorisAkunin (3 months ago)

<pedant mode>
According to the specs, sensor size is 23.5x15.7mm:
sqrt(36²+24²) / sqrt(23.5²+15.7²) = 1.531

So it should be 24.49-76.55mm.
</pedant mode>
<ultra-pedant mode>
If we consider the given sensor size as rounded values, there's a range of possible crop factors:
sqrt(36²+24²) / sqrt(23.450²+15.650²) = 1.534
sqrt(36²+24²) / sqrt(23.549²+15.749²) = 1.530

So it should be {24.48 ... 24.54} - {76.51 ... 76.70} mm
</ultra-pedant mode>

In reality, the given focal lengths are rounded values so there's no point in arguing about this...

If you want a precise-looking value, let's just say 24.5-76.5mm

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

by tradition focal length can have 5% error. it's generally rounded but maker may choose another number for marketing. a recent example is 42.5mm, which is meant to cheat the market.

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