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Samsung adds premium and consumer 16-50mm lenses to NX system

By dpreview staff on Jan 2, 2014 at 16:00 GMT
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Samsung added two new lenses to its NX mirrorless camera line, one for pros, and another designed to serve as a smaller alternative to the kit lens. Both lenses range from 16-50mm, but the first is a premium design with the 'S' designation, whose bulkier design accommodates an F2.0-F2.8 aperture and optical image stabilization. The second lens is a retractable F3.5-5.6 power zoom with OIS, which the company says offers improved performance over the 18-55mm kit lens.

Samsung says the 16-50mm F2.0-2.8 S ED OIS lens offers greater 'precision, high quality materials and value control'. It has a metal body, includes weather and dust sealing, and uses what Samsung calls an 'ultra precise stepper motor'.

The 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 Power Zoom ED OIS lens, on the other hand, is designed as a portable option whose motorized zoom allows for smoother zooming while shooting video.

Samsung did not announce pricing and availability, only noting that the lenses will be on display at CES 2014.

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Press Release:

Premium and Professional Quality in any Situation: 16-50mm F2-2.8 S ED OIS Lens

The new Samsung 16-50mm F2-2.8 S ED OIS lens allows photographers of all skill levels to achieve professional image quality through a myriad of new and advanced features. It is the first Premium “S” Series lens, which signifies end-users will be given superior optical-technology to meet their photography needs. Its versatile standard zoom angle of view allows for flexibility to take photos at frequently desired angles and vantage points, without limitations on what is captured. The 16-50mm has an extremely bright aperture (F2.0 at 16mm; F2.8 at 50mm) making it the brightest 3X zoom among equivalent class lenses, adding-value to the overall picture-taking experience and imaging results. Splash and dust proof, this lens is designed to deliver quality results even in extreme, harsh conditions. 

This lens features an Ultra-Precise Stepping Motor (UPSM), improved from the conventional Stepping Motor (SM), that is 3X more precise in its ability to control and focus on subjects. Coupled with its optical image stabilizer and combination of three aspherical (ASP) lenses, two extra-low dispersion (ED) lenses, and two eXreme High Refractive (XHR) lenses, the 16-50mm F2-2.8 S ED OIS has the ability to take a steady shot and produce an exceptional photo with ultimate clarity and detail. The combination of these advanced elements work together to enhance the results from the lens. The ASP lenses reduce and nearly eliminate spherical aberration, whereas the ED elements reduce chromatic aberration and the XHR allows for a more compact and light lens.

Excellent Imagery Everyday: 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 Power Zoom ED OIS lens

The new 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 Power Zoom ED OIS lens was designed for everyday use as well as for photographers who often travel and desire quality and compactness. It is lightweight, weighing only 111g with a compact 31mm frame and a modern and simple design. It is available in two colors (Black and White). With an outstanding wide angle optical performance, the 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 Power Zoom ED OISlens includes Silent Auto Focusing and a low zooming noise, excellent for capturing video which is clear and undisturbed by the noise of the mechanism. 

A vital feature of the new lens is its quick control made possible through an Electro zoom with a seesaw type button. This unique feature allows photographers to simply click to zoom and take a photo from any view or angle, similar to a compact camera experience. The smooth zooming operation, applied from the high-end camcorder not only creates superb pictures, but enables high-quality videos. The intuitive operating mechanism, i-Function and UPSM help to take more precise pictures, while the Optical Image Stabilization reduces the blur associated with camera movement adding to the appeal of this lens. 

Specifications

 Samsung NX 16-50mm F2.0-2.8 S ED OISSamsung NX 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 Power Zoom ED OIS
Principal specifications
Lens typeZoom lens
Max Format sizeAPS-C / DX
Focal length16–50 mm
Image stabilisationYes
Lens mountSamsung NX
Aperture
Maximum apertureF2.0 - F2.8F3.5 - F5.6
Minimum apertureF22.0
Aperture ringNo
Number of diaphragm blades97
Aperture notesCircular Aperture Diaphragm
Optics
Elements189
Groups128
Special elements / coatings3 Aspherical lens, 2 Extra-low Dispersion lens, 2 Xtreme High Refractive Lens4 Aspherical lens, 1 Extra-low Dispersion lens
Focus
Minimum focus0.30 m (11.81)0.28 m (11.02)
Maximum magnification0.19×0.24×
AutofocusYes
Motor typeStepper motor
Full time manualUnknown
Focus methodExtending front
Distance scaleNo
DoF scaleNo
Physical
Weight622 g (1.37 lb)111 g (0.24 lb)
Diameter81 mm (3.19)65 mm (2.55)
Length97 mm (3.8)31 mm (1.22)
SealingYesNo
ColourBlackBlack, white
Zoom methodRotary (extending)
Power zoomNoYes
Zoom lockNo
Filter thread72 mm43 mm
Hood suppliedNo
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Comments

Total comments: 170
Amir Danesh
By Amir Danesh (3 months ago)

That is like Pentax 16-50 f-2.8

1 upvote
lol101
By lol101 (3 months ago)

In what sense?

Same range.

Different max aperture.
Different optical formula.
Different AF motor.
Different construction.
Different functions (stab, i-func)

Obviously these two lenses have more differences than similarities.

Let's hope that the Sammy will have better AF and optical performances than the Tokina/Pentax...

0 upvotes
imsabbel
By imsabbel (3 months ago)

The 16-50 seems fantastic. I have the Sigma 18-35, and having 50% more zoom range would be really nice and stabilizaton would make up for the loss of a top at the long end.

That is, of course, if the optical quality is up to par - my sigma is the sharpest lens I own, primes included.

2 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

It's well established that Samsung NX lenses can indeed be optically excellent to extraordinary. When Samsung and their lens maker Optron but effort into a lens the optical results shame all but the best Leica and Zeiss lenses.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

"put effort"

0 upvotes
jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

sharper than sigma 35mm and sigma macros?

0 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (3 months ago)

jennyrae
It has only been presented man ! Nobody sees into future here so save dumb questions for later.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

jennyrae:

Possibly yes, albeit those Sigmas you cite are not zooms. So more apt to look at say the Samsung NX 60mm macro.

As I said, when Samsung and Optron put effort into lens design and production the results can be astounding.

0 upvotes
jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

der steppenwolf. thank you for kind words. sorry for not being as smart as you as I was asking question to poster if sigma 18-35 is sharper than other sigma lenses. i think you feel smart now, yes?

0 upvotes
jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

howaboutraw, sorry for not making clear. I just ask question if 18-35mm is really sharper than other sigmas. I have great sigmas, so want to know what make poster say it is sharpest.

Comment edited 52 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

jennyrae:

What I wrote above: "It's well established that Samsung NX lenses can indeed be optically excellent to extraordinary", so nothing about "sharpest", though yes good Samsung lenses are also very sharp.

However the best Zeiss, Leica and Samsung lenses easily beat Sigmas for colour subtlety. You see, there's more than sharpness to a lens. To get the best colour and sharpness out of good Sigma lenses anyhow you'd have to use them on a Sigma SD1 and shoot below ISO 500.

0 upvotes
nemark
By nemark (3 months ago)

"I don`t own it, I don`t want it, I didn`t have it."
For both lenses.

3 upvotes
areichow
By areichow (3 months ago)

Most useful comment, ever.

11 upvotes
ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (3 months ago)

What exactly do you want to communicate?

0 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (3 months ago)

@ThomasSwitzerland
That he is dumb.

4 upvotes
samhain
By samhain (3 months ago)

The 16-50 f2 is only 3.8 inches long!?!?! Woah.

6 upvotes
ThomasSwitzerland
By ThomasSwitzerland (3 months ago)

The lens is the deciding factor for making good pictures. I am very happy that Samsung has the 16-50mm F2.0-2.8 S ED OIS in the pipeline. Viewing it from Asia, Samsung is very smart and innovative. Consistent delivery of leading products, forming the big Multimedia picture.

Excellent tech/price value. Congratulations to Samsung. I will buy this.

2 upvotes
Tonio Loewald
By Tonio Loewald (3 months ago)

Samsung is like the (1990s) Microsoft of hardware — in a good way. They produce a shoddy imitation v1 and then iterate until they get it right. With the new premium zoom they're actually making their rivals look stupid. Interesting times.

3 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

The machines (cameras) work. So unlike Microsoft.

From the start the APSC sensors for the NX system were very good. (Don't here cite DXO.)

Many of the lenses started out as optically excellent.

With the exception of the recent Android controlled cameras, the menus were excellent from the get go.

So unlike Microsoft, crash prone, half functional garbage that didn't get fixed for years. And then after the fix, got broken again--see Win Vista.

Bodies sort of like Dell computers from the 1990s or early 2000s, but Samsung understands that a body doesn't need to last 5 years.

1 upvote
ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

Hmm.. I thought the Samsung NX10 was the first apsc mirrorless produced, even before the Nex 5. However, you are right about getting it right. Because I brought Nex 5 when it came out, I thought nothing of the samsung then. Now I also have a Samsung NX and I use it most of the time.

3 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

NEX got a better mount (same for Canon EF-M and Fuji X).

1 upvote
ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

What does a better mount mean? Does produce better images?
If you don't use Leica M mount lens, then that is no difference.
I use tons of legacy glass on Nex before and now I use it on the Samsung.

0 upvotes
In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (3 months ago)

Define "better mount" please. I don't know what that means.

1 upvote
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> Does produce better images?

a better mount enables better lens design.
Leica M mount and lenses are rubbish now.

0 upvotes
arbuz
By arbuz (3 months ago)

@yabokkie - I see you like trolling. Show me this better lens design on NEX.

1 upvote
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

Chuck,

I realize this point has been made by others, but the first APSC mirrorless interchangeable body was the Epson R-D1--a digital M mount rangefinder built into a Voigtlander body.

0 upvotes
ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

Correct me if I am wrong, but is the f2-2.8 zoom the largest aperture 3x zoom ever made? In any format?
(except the TV zooms which are for very small size sensor)

Comment edited 28 seconds after posting
4 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

f-number is not aperture size.

comparing with 24-70/2.8 and 12-35/2.8
wide end 24/2.8 = 8.6mm, 16/2 = 8mm, 12/2.8 = 4.3mm,
tele end 70/2.8 = 25mm, 50/2.8 = 18mm, 35/2.8 = 12.5mm,

it's still the same old story, full-frame > APS-C > 4/3"

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
deep7
By deep7 (3 months ago)

Maybe, but Olympus made two constant f2 zooms, the 14-35 and 35-100. Not quite 3x and huge but absolutely wonderful glass.

You have to ignore yabokkie, he just doesn't get it but chips in all the time trying to tell you f2 is not f2, fast isn't fast and so on. Just plain wrong.

3 upvotes
ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

Thanks for pointing out the olympus lens. Both are very heavy, even the 2.5x zoom 14-35mm is 900g, and that's for a m43 sensor. So I guess there is no f2 zoom for apsc up till now, and still not constant f2. Nevertheless, the NX starts at f2 and 3.1x zoom and weights in at 622g, that's not too bad.
yabokkie is absolute light , but f2 is f2 and still gives a faster shutter. I actually had the big Tamron 28-75 f2.8 on the Nex, didn't like the rendering and color. Sold it.

0 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> Olympus made two constant f2 zooms

these are second line (second-class) lenses
70-200/4 apertures 17.5-50mm, 35-100/2 got the same.
though Canon label them as L, 24-70/4 and 70-200/4 are one rank lower than f/2.8 zooms.

4/3" users won't get pro-grade lenses until someone makes 12-35/1.4 and 35-100/1.4 for them. Sigma maybe.

> f2 is not f2

f/2 simply won't get you anything the same on different formats from photographic point of view.

f-number is no photographic concept.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 3 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
lol101
By lol101 (3 months ago)

Diaphragm with 9 rounded blades... Yummy bokeh!

It actually shows on the first samples (look for them in the Samsung forum). Looking to be a very good lens albeit probably expensive.

2 upvotes
rolleiflex
By rolleiflex (3 months ago)

I am excited to see the 16-50mm F2-2.8 lens, 3 weeks ago I travelled to hanoi with just the basic kit lens 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 it did the job... but some of the time I was shooting 1600iso at 5.6 and pic quality had much to improve on, but with this new f2.8 I should get more keepers especially during the night time street photos.

Hanoi nx300 gallery still work in progress if interested :
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10152104155025610.1073741827.700745609&type=1&l=706f5d39fa

2 upvotes
RichRMA
By RichRMA (3 months ago)

Based on tests, Samsung has done a better job than Sony with its lenses.

11 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

The zoom? Likely. But the Sony FE 35mm is a very capable lens. But also pricey.

0 upvotes
mister_roboto
By mister_roboto (3 months ago)

I'm not a Samsung camera user, but I'm a fan- I like an underdog... well... minus the fact they're the largest consumer electronics manufacturer in the world- their camera division is pretty under-dog like.

2 upvotes
JWest
By JWest (3 months ago)

Only in the amount of publicity and recognition they get. Perhaps it's their marketing department which is the underdog. They certainly make fantastic cameras and glass.

1 upvote
MrTaikitso
By MrTaikitso (3 months ago)

Check out the year and a bit old EX2F, (I have one), it is the first camera I have ever owned that performs superbly under all conditions, from low light to sunny days (even has an ND filter!)

I tried all the other compacts, from the (not to shabby) Panasonic LX-7 to the much praised Sony RX100, and the Samsung was more versatile and very well built. The RX100 is a handling nightmare, whilst the LX-7 lacks the superb articulating display of the EX2F.

Samsung really win tho on quality, their stuff is built well. (I have dropped my Galaxy Note 3 three times, and not a crack or scratch, same with the EX2F, that is not cased and always being banged into things with no harm done.)

Kudos when it is due!

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

f/2-f/2.8 sounds very nice and the formula everybody should use. Very nice upgrade from Samsung. Heavy like a brick for a mirrorless lens though. The small 16-50 finally puts it in a reasonamle competition with Sony E 16-50 and Panasonics 14-42 and 12-32 for small and light cameras - hopefully the 20-50 embarrassment will be forgotten like a bad dream.
Great that they are still trying to compete.

1 upvote
groucher
By groucher (3 months ago)

Spoken by someone who has never used the 20-50. It might be an ugly chunk of lightweight plastic but the performance of the 20-50 is excellent and easily on a par with the Sony kit lenses.

5 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (3 months ago)

@groucher. On par with Sony kit lenses? You gotta be kidding! It's much better than Sony kits, on par with Fuji 18-55/2.8-4

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 5 minutes after posting
3 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

Except 20-50 SEVERELY LACKS wide end and stabilization. If you cannot make a wide composition you want, it is visible without pixel-peeping.

4 upvotes
ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

That is true, but from an IQ perspective, I will quote photozone
"We really liked the Samsung NX 20-50mm f/3.5-5.6 for various reasons. Optically it is among the best standard zoom lenses in the mirrorless system class that we've seen so far. "
The lens quality is one of the main reason I switch from Nex to Samsung. I think they used some nice glass in that lens, I think the simpler design due to smaller range helps too.

7 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"Optically it is among the best standard zoom lenses in the mirrorless system class that we've seen so far. "

And the difference here with the worst 16-50 is only visible with SEVERE pixel-peeping very few are interested in. Unless of course you need that wide end (for example, I should 60-65% of pictures wider than 30mm eq, unless it is sports and then it is way above 70mm-e), and then with the 20-50 you are simply fked. Or you want some handheld video - and your viewers heads will be fked without stabilization.
2.5x unstabilized kit zooms were last OK in the 70s. In 2013 it is an embarrassment, and looks like even Samsung finally got the hint.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 5 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
groucher
By groucher (3 months ago)

Thanks for letting us know what we all want regarding zoom ranges - most enlightening. If you can't hold your camera steady, you need to drink fewer cups of coffee. I take it that you understand that optical stabilisation only does half the job anyway?

1 upvote
brownie314
By brownie314 (3 months ago)

Any guess on price for the pro zoom? I am guessing $1200. Maybe more. Still, looks nice. Wish CaNikon would make a more modern fast aps-c zoom.

0 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

Sigma will happily supply you a fast APS DSLR zoom lens tho.

1 upvote
JWest
By JWest (3 months ago)

In this relatively compact size, to fit NX mount without the extra bulk of an adaptor?

0 upvotes
Starkiller
By Starkiller (3 months ago)

Is that round button an AF-Stop button?

0 upvotes
Jun2
By Jun2 (3 months ago)

price ?

0 upvotes
htibor
By htibor (3 months ago)

Bravo Samsung!

3 upvotes
BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

Wow now they got our attention. I just hope it will be any good.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

It's already well established that Samsung NX lenses can indeed be optically excellent to extraordinary, and also well built.

5 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (3 months ago)

The best mirrorless system in the world! Bravo Samsung!

6 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

Definitely getting there with the addition of today's releases.

3 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (3 months ago)

It's not getting there, it's already there.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

It is not even close.

10 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (3 months ago)

Who is the best?

0 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

"Who is the best?"

Nikon 1.. isn't it?

Comment edited 11 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

After today a toss up between Samsung m43 and fujifilm and sony.

0 upvotes
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (3 months ago)

Sony is out of question. Subpar or too expensive lenses (and too big). Fuji - nice bodies and lenses, but too big/expensive, slow AF. m43 - best selection of lenses, nice bodies, but smaller sensor, and too expensive for high end bodies/lenses. I'd say Samsung is the best compromise. Good selection of quality lenses, good bodies, now with NX30, excellent prices (when on sale, which is often).

0 upvotes
Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

What is the best is personal, all the systems have their specific strengths. When we look at populairyt as a paramter, it is not the Samsung. When we look at lenschoice it is not the Samsung. Lens quality it is not the Samsung (but the IQ of Samsung lenses is among the best for sure), when we look at body choice it is not the Samsung, when we look at the sensor used it is not the Samsung, portability: not Samsung. I think m43s all iin all will be considered the best currently, but it is of little value. If you do not like 4/3 images, if you do want to be able to shoot shallower DOF with the sam F-stop it is not m43s if you want the best IQ out of a mirrorless it is not m43s (pobably the A7R is). So these kind of "titles" are not usefull on the personal level.

2 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

Its too bad they made their mount too deep for rangefinder lenses, as it limits the flexibility of the system compared to other mirrorless mounts.

0 upvotes
HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

AC:

One can mount Leica M lenses on Samsung NX bodies; there's a specialized ring one has to replace the standard NX body mounting ring with.

Yes right that all takes a screw driver, but then the NX body is good for mounting rangefinder lenses. No not like mounting a DSLR lens on a NX body with a hand removable adapter.

0 upvotes
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

What the tooot!! First Sony (A7, Rx10) now Samsung(look at this lens)! Where are those big name brands sleeping?!

Comment edited 13 minutes after posting
4 upvotes
wlad
By wlad (3 months ago)

the big name brands are playing a game called "Who can ignore customers' wishes longer?"

14 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

Canon is playing "let's stay profitable". And one of their key plays is to make safe R+D investments and product releases.

2 upvotes
Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (3 months ago)

@ tkbslc
Right, like putting out same cameras over and over again with different model number ?
Thats great if ones customers are numnuts.

0 upvotes
JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (3 months ago)

Whining again! If this lens is from CaNikon, there would be already 2000+ comments about the greatest lens on earth, but it's "only" Samsung, right?
Get real and buy Samsung!!!

8 upvotes
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

I won't buy it dude .. just bec of the specs, but maybe after seeing the results ..

Well otherwise no doubt, Samsung got quite impressive with this model!!

0 upvotes
tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

WEll to be fair, it's more interesting to you if you can use it on your camera. Not that many people are shooting NX mount as compared to EF, F, or even m43.

3 upvotes
Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Even if that is true and it would be unfair, you are still signaling a big problem for Samsung. Because I agree that mighth well be the outcome.

Like I said below: how is this len,s purely based on specs, anything that will win customers for Samsung. I agree it is very nice for their existing customers and hope the lens will be as good at least as the 30 mm f2.0. Samsung is no slouch here. But the Sony 16-50 f2.8 weighs less, is considerably smaller and has very good scores. Very good AF, very good IQ, weathersealed. What is the advantage? Samsung is so small, they need to gain marketshare. And do note that this Sony lens, which entered the market in 2011 did nothing for Sony and their DSLRs. Simply because as good as it was, it did not set itself apart from the Nikons and Canons...And this is even less likely to happen for Samsung.

And that is why this lens, for Samsung, is not helping them much. I think that an APS-c mirrorless sensor was wrong to begin with. Lenses won't shrink.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (3 months ago)

No other mirrorless system has 16-50/2.0-2.8 equivalent, while in DSLR world everybody has 16-XX/2.8 lens.

1 upvote
Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

No other mirrorless system had the 85 mm f1.4. So, how did that work out? NX20 was alot better than the NX10. Any tangible results for the Samsung NX system?
Having something unique is not enough. It has to be a Unique Selling Point. The 16-50 F2.0 F2.8 is unique, but it is not a Unique Selling Point for a system.
Mirrorless is supposed to be smaller than the APS-c DSLR, that is the first thing it needs to be. No one wants a cam that is bigger than current APS-c DSLRs. As the bodies can be a bit smaller because the mirror is gone, the other part needs to come from the lenses to make a system smaller. This lens is 16-50 F2-F2.8 is bigger significantly than the 16-50 F2.8 Sony. It also weighs 50% more That lens is Stabsilsed, has great reviews, weahtersealed. Much smaller and cheaper than the Canikon version of it. it did not change a thing. What is the rationale behind the thought that Samsung WILL?? It is bigger than a standard APS-c lens, let alone their mirrorless opponents?

5 upvotes
jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

part of success of NX is because of lens like 60mm and 85mm. then the 45mm. clearly Samsung is listening to customers. do not know why you so angry about lens @jorginho. that is what most people like about. so do not talk about nonsense.

0 upvotes
Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

jennyrae .. what success you talking about for NX?

0 upvotes
Infared
By Infared (3 months ago)

Whoa...Samsung...YOU GO GIRL! :-)

9 upvotes
ianbullock
By ianbullock (3 months ago)

I think this release shows that Samsung is aware of the current strengths of their NX line (tiny lenses, esp. the pancake primes), as well as starting to fill in some of the obvious weaknesses (lack of fast zooms). Certainly encouraging for current users of the system (such as myself).

And certainly more encouraging than the somewhat confusing Galaxy NX release. I've started to wonder if the Galaxy NX, at its ridiculous price, is more of a low volume experiment to get data and better develop future products. Who knows.

4 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

Spending resources on developing and producing a product, just to get sales data for the development of future products? That sounds like an awfully costly way to do marketing research.

0 upvotes
joexu
By joexu (3 months ago)

72mm threads that is one huge lens for a mirrorless camera.

7 upvotes
Absolutic
By Absolutic (3 months ago)

have you seen Canon 17-55 and Nikon 17-55 weight wise and size wise? these were also designed to cover the crop circle. So at least Samsung is smaller than those above. I'd be interested to see how big the rumored Fuji 16-55/2.8 would be

4 upvotes
Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

16mm is significantly wider than 17mm and f2.0 is a FULL STOP faster. So yes its a rather compact 16-50 and pretty drool-worthy.

13 upvotes
yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> one huge lens for a mirrorless camera.

no one says that mirrorless cameras only deserve low performance lenses. or is there any?

Comment edited 20 seconds after posting
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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

doesn't matter .. it scale quite good on that new NX30

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

well actually, I by mistake commented for the smaller apperture lens. This f2 at 16mm lens is massive monster!!

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Yabokkie: mxing up size with performance? Lots of big lenses that are not shapr wide open. Great?

Weight: the Sony 16-50 f2.8 is weathersealed, ahs good performance and OIS and weighs 570 grams. I sa w arious reviews Tamron lenses with similar ses an these were fou to be quite havy for an APS- lens of that size....

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

> This f2 at 16mm lens is massive monster!!

16/2 = 8mm

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007peter
By 007peter (3 months ago)

72mm is the same as Tamron 17-50mm f/2.8 VC. But Tamron weight only 570g. I wonder why this Samsung weight more???

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

007peter: its bit wider and starts at f2! I don't mind if its bit heavy, but for that mirrorless body maybe it won't scale as well!

overall I am happy for samsung, atleast it's its trying different options.

@yabokkie: I got your point mate, 8mm is huge as an aperture .. but the point is .. it looks big on that body! some how doesnt seem right! I would like it bit smaller on focal length but constant f2! I won't mind carrying a prime to cover the remaining range. still, i would say atleast its a step in the right direction!!

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Well it depends on how it will perform and, from various reports on Samsung cams, the Quality control is one thing to reckon with. zvarious reports about bad lenses are around. Even though there are not so many users of this system....But this is a very nice lens with very nice specs. I hope it performs well.

I have to say that 650 grams for a f2 to f2.8 is on the low side compared to other APs-c offerings that are nearly the same in F, but "only" offer f2.8. otoh: this weighs more than double and is quite a bit larger too than the Panasonic 12-35 f2.8. It is even quite a bit heavier than the 100-300 mm and 75-300 mm Olympus zooms for the mFt system. I have the 100-300 and it is as far as I am wiling to go even on the DSLR-like Gh2 body I have.
So what is the advantage here, the incetive for APS-c users to get into the NX30-+ this lens? It is a bit difficult to see, at least for me.

But let's wait and see: for the Samsung users at least this is probably a very nice option to have!

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viking79
By viking79 (3 months ago)

The larger sensor gives a bit of an advantage to the Samsung (about 2/3 stops), so if you look at aperture sizes (focal length/f-number), the Samsung is like 8 mm to 18 mm, and the Panasonic 4.3 mm to 12.5 mm. The size of the aperture is going to control your depth of field, but also drives the lens size and cost. The Samsung is about equivalent to m4/3 with 12-35mm f/1.5 to f/2.1 (point being don't compare size/weight directly).

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

There are various reports of quality control issues on Sony and MFT systems as well...not exactly sure what problems you are referring to. Better to at least provide reference of the source than spread hearsay. Samsung is a dark horse and sleeping giant. Their successful smartphone and TV industry and expertise in android devices give them such a huge potential to really explode the asia market...the Chinese market being huge in the future.

IMO Samsung should work with Google to really innovate their file images and image processing in exchange for further connecting their cams to say the Google+ network. They have some of the most needlessly bloated RAWs on the market which if improved can only make camera operation faster in most regards.

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forpetessake
By forpetessake (3 months ago)

Ridiculous to compare this Samsung lens with Panasonic 12-35/2.8. This lens is f/3-4.2 in FF equivalent and Panasonic is only f/5.6. In other words, this lens collects 1.8-3.5 times more light than Panasonic. If anything Panasonic is huge for such a slow lens.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

@Viking79: but weight and size IS the point. It is THE reason why CSCs can be successfull. If it is not size and weight, what is it then?
Making a system with the same sized lenses and somewhat smaller bodies is not going to help you anywhere. It seems that people are willing to let go of (some) DOF advantages (and that is not one sided) for smaller more convenient package.

I bought into mFt for size and weight. f1.5 to f2.1 650 gram vs f2.8 300 gram. It is not such a difficult to choice for me. A nikon D5300 with a 17-55 f2.8 or ths Samsung. What is the size difference and weight difference? It is so small, as can be expected. The APS-c sensor does not permit too much size and weight gain. F2.0 is nice but most mFT users were begging for the F2.8- F4.0 12-60 to materialize in mFT format and not F2.8 12-35 or 12-40 f2.8. F2.0 to f2.8 is just not going to cut it I fear.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Pete: which lens is comparetively smaller at f2.8 than the Panasonic? We can compare the Samsung with other 17-55 F2.8 lenses. And it is not lighter or smaller. YEs, of course, f2.0 means it must be bigger and heavier so you gain something there. But it is not going to cut it I think. It is all not so important; we'll see.

One thing that is consistent is that many Samsung lenses perform really well optically and are not too expensive. So if this trend continues in this one, it is good news for Samsung users.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Timbukot: go to the Samsung forum. When you look at how few people use the system and how many complaints there are...And it is not confined to their lenses, the camera's like the NX300 were mentioned quite a few times. LCD screens that were broken easily (not working anymore). It is hearsay, true and it is all we have. And I do not see this same hearsay to that extend in any other mrrorless system.
it is a bit like the shuttershock problem from Olympus. It is not laways there, officialy it is not recognised but I have it on my EPL5. Not often: but it is there and it needs to be fixed.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

I scanned the forum and saw nothing to note. Nothing on the level of MFT shutter shock or Nikon D600 dust bunnies. I do pay attention to stochastics and statistics but I just don't see anything unless you can provide link/reference.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

yes, let someone else do the easy work for you...took me 10 seconds:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52787910

http://photography.forumsee.com/a/m/s/p12-19173-0299609--300-screen-problem-anyone.html

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52580926

And that is not all. Decentering in lenses was noticed many times. But I stop here. I know the drill, so taking too much effort is often not wise.

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Timbukto
By Timbukto (3 months ago)

Decentering in lenses is an issue but I've seen it across brands. Seeing it in a mirrorless slow telephoto zoom is not a big surprise. I would be surprised to *not* see it...because I simply haven't in the MFT or Sony world either. The NX300 screen problem is noted. Not sure why you are being snide when I ask you to be more pinpoint about your QC references which would be useful to anyone reading.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Pete: 16-50 F2.8 Sony. Weathersealed and OIS. Weighsless than the Samsung. (5777 in stead of 622 grams? it is smaller too: 81* 89 mm instead of 81* 97 mm. Both have the same filterthread. The Sony is an excellent lens.

So...is did it put Sony on te DSLr map, in 2011? No! That is not enough. Did it sway people t abandon their current system. No a sign of it. Never heard such a thing. So how will a very similar lens made by Samsung for a system that is supposed be smaller and lighter (what else is the advantage??) but is not even close to the establishent te Sony has it its DSLRS (and it is not good enough still) going ot make a difference?

APS-c mirrorless offers too little, And Samsung is too late also...

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Timbukto: because you say you scan these forums etc and it was so easy to find. I never ever heard of people complaining about decentering and getting the lens back 9 times. never. Screen problems: yes, but this is with cams that sold very well. it is no myth that Smasung cams do not sell well at all, they have virtually no market penetration outside of South Korea, The few posting here are not South Koreans, yet the problem has been noted by more than one person easily. So I think it is fair ot say that people need to be aware of thi sbefore saying a lens and or cam are good enough to dump their current system.
At least in the case of Samsung, I do.

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viking79
By viking79 (3 months ago)

@Jorginho, I don't like the term CSC, they are likely going to replace most DSLR style cameras, so mirrorless cameras will come in all sizes and shapes. Both compact and large.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Viking: okey, honsetly I do not like "mirrorless" all that much. Not that it is a point we need to discuss. It is like we would call Digital SLRs "Filmless" cams. CSC might not be the best term with FF versions f them coming around, but okey...We should give it a name what it is, not what it is not although I understand we now, in this era with two competing technologies, want make a distinction.

I think there will be a time of great diversity and then it will come dowmn to about the same landscape we had in the DSLR age. 1" and mFT being newcomers more less. FT was too late to be of any importance mFT was here first and seems to have carved out a nice customerbase but we can wonder if it is enough. When I see A7R with the 24-70 F4 weighing less than the NX30 with the 16-50 F2- f2.8, I see a big problem for Samsung there. from that side also they are under pressure. But I have no crystal baal. Let's wait and see.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"The larger sensor gives a bit of an advantage to the Samsung (about 2/3 stops)"

Not even close, check the tests, they are on par. Samsung NX300 ISO score 942, Olympus E-PM2 932.

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jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

that is reason there is 2 16-50 zoom.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

What is the reason? the 16-50 F3.5 to F5.6 is in a whole other cetegory and not for very serious users. The 16-50 F2 to F2.8 is. The NX30 as a cam seems to be directed at serious users. Based on the specs, it seems to offer little to sway others for the system. For current Samsung owners though it is excellent news! But for some 625 gram and that size also might mean it is really too big.
I did note in reviews on 17-55 mm F2.8 lenses for APS-c which weighed somewhat less, the authors noted it was really heavy and less than ideal. And these were not even the heaviest in class. Oke: just reveiwers, I know. But I think weight and size are quintessential for CSC camera's...

Look at the Oly 40-150 f2.8. It is not here, but it is huge. Many people are having second thoughts on that one. The FL is nice and quite different from the 35-100 Panny though. But....I think it is much too big for m43s.

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

The fact is if you want small lens, you got small lens. If you want quality, you got quality. You can choose. Unfortunately, we still live in the real world where laws of physics apply.
The fact that there is even a f2 3x zoom is truly ground breaking and I believe first in the history of apsc lens.
Where Sony innovates in sensor, Samsung does it in the lens.
I think only Samsung dare to do it because of its huge financial resources, I don't think they'll make money on this lens, whatever the price, but it'll help the whole line of NX camera.

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tecnoworld
By tecnoworld (3 months ago)

Chuck: the 30mm is high quality and very small. And so is the 45mm and, to some extent, also the 20mm pancake. If you are talking about zooms, then I agree with you. It's either size or speed/iq.

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jennyrae
By jennyrae (3 months ago)

Agree with Chuckta and Techno. Jorginho need to see reality of logic.

just because lens does not excite you make it general rule it is not exciting lens. that is nonsense. general consensus is two lenses are exciting for samsung and non-samsung user. non samsung user is tentative because of unknown of nx product yet or brand bias. point, if product was Sony, you will be singing alelujah and not make poor excuse not to like lens. it is truth.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

though at one lower rank than Sigma f/1.8 zoom it looks a good compromise for better cost performance (if users can enjoy that cost performance).

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

I'd put it two or three ranks higher than the Sigma because it has a far more useful zoom range, it is stabilized and it's not a behemoth.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

Well yes 24mm is more flexible range .. but I would personally get Sigma for its bigger constant aperture. It maybe just me, but I don't need that wide aperture on that wide angle. On tele end where we need faster speed this lens is not as impressive! OIS is helpful though. All depends how it performs! By the looks of it, it's promising!!

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

But the Sigma doesn't have a Tele end. It has a "kinda wide" end and a"normal" end.

This samsung is probably like f2.4 at 35mm, so probably not as far off as it looks.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

from tele-end I meant at sigma's largest focal length! I didn't knew at 35mm this lens is f2.4 .. and Imho this is quite significant, considering Sigma is v sharp wide open at f1.8
but will see ..

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migus
By migus (3 months ago)

111gr. 16-50 OIS is impressive, if the IQ is typical of Samsung's 20-50kit or their primes...!

Few years ago i've bought two NX100's just for their 20-50kit lenses; each costed ca. $250 with camera attached :-). Compared against nikon's 20 and 50 primes (the 'legends') and was often superior. And yet Samsung is rarely mentioned as camera maker...

Net: The pro version glass from Sammy may be great, but not investment grade - unless it becomes usable on Canon and Sony bodies. Personally I wish i could use the NX lenses on NEX bodies (i prefer their sensors and JPG engines) w/o major engineering, but this is a pipe dream.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

20-50 had no OIS whatsoever. Not a very smart move I think. Samsung camera's have no USP. Sony NEX has them (best sensor, extremely small bodies), Panasonic (video is state of the art and a multitude of good lenses, lots of different bodies to chose from), Oly (5 -axis IBIS, great lenses), Nikon 1 (very small, very good PDAF, can use all Nikon lens with it via an adapter). Fuji X-series (great styling or at least distinctive, renowned for its great sensor, very high qulaity lenses).
Samsung...I honestly don't know. they almost always seem to borrow good ideas of others, like the tilting EVF now. But bunled together, they do not seem to be tempting to many users.

If NX30 has EM1 like AF,very good video and gets alittle bit better in IQ (the NX300 sensor is really good already) it is a good start for a better future.

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ChuckTa
By ChuckTa (3 months ago)

I rather have a good IQ lens then a mediocre lens with OIS. I will take the NX 20-50mm anytime over my Sony Nex kit. That's all I can say.
That is why I only use the Nex 5 with legacy lens. I leave the AF work to the Samsung.

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migus
By migus (3 months ago)

@ChuckTa "I rather have a good IQ lens then a mediocre lens with OIS"

Agreed. The OIS is over-valued IMHO vs. its real benefits in IQ (little for landscape and for the modern APS+ sensors). OIS is also sensitive, as proven by the many broken L and VR lenses i've seen at work. One drop on a hard floor and it's often over...

By contrast, the little NX20-50 kit is optically decent and mechanically more robust. I also love the manual zoom, except for video.

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bluevellet
By bluevellet (3 months ago)

Cool lenses. Nice going, Samsung.

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Gao Gao
By Gao Gao (3 months ago)

Now even APSc is getting F/2 zoom...

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (3 months ago)

You mean, aside from the Sigma 18-35/1.8 a while ago.

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KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

Who else is delivering on the promise of mirrorless APS-C like this? What a great pair of lenses. Wish their DSLR-like bodies weren't so unfathomably ugly, though. And I'm no fan of touch-screen cameras, otherwise the NX300 would be perfect. Go Samsung! And do release that rumored retro NX with good ergonomics to rival Fuji ASAP!

Also a 24 1.4 would be nice...and a 15 f/2 prime...then I'd be good to go! But I guess xmas is already over ...
:-)

Matt

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Fuji. in naother way. But Fuji has great lenses and a great sensor. Samsung started in 2010 with the NX10 and have gained so little attention, so little sales. Hope the NX30 will live up to the promise. the lens BTW looks nice and it is weathersealed.. more to come?

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (3 months ago)

the big question is will this 16-50 be sharp wide open? because if it would have to be stopped down to be sharp, it would not deliver on a promise.

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KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

If they maintain the standard they've set with their other lenses so far, it will be.

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viking79
By viking79 (3 months ago)

Samsung, thank you for finally showing direction with APS-C line :) That 16-50mm f/2 to 2.8 looks beautiful, music to my ears along with that nice NX30 body.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (3 months ago)

The only sad thing about this press release is that Canon won't consider it to be any real competition to them.

This won't be enough to pull me away from M4/3s just because I have so much invested in AF m4/3s glass. However, it would be a very convincing argument if I was just starting out.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

it's opposite.

Canon is a late comer in the APS-C mirrorless market though the current three EF-M lenses are really good ones.

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Jorginho
By Jorginho (3 months ago)

Eh...how can you say that? SHould you not await tests first? Reviews? Also: that lens weighs more than twice the weight of a 12-35 mm f2.8 Panaosnic. it is not any lighter than any other APS-c cam in that range (but it has f2.0 and not f2.8, so that is not completely fair).

I have seen too many problems with QC issues with Samsung lenses, certainly when we see so little people using it. I would really await tests and reviews.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (3 months ago)

And price, or do we know that already ?

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

for a quick calc,
a 16-47mm f/2.4 zoom for APS-C should weigh 2.4 times as
a 12-35mm f/2.8 one for 4/3".

or compare at the tele end only,
a 50/2.8 should weigh (50/2.8)^2/(35/2.8)^2 = 2.04 times as a 35/2.8.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

for the price, it's a rule of thumb for 1 USD per gram, or more than twice as the price of 12-35/2.8 using Pana's standard (same reasonable or unreasonable as Pana).

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

@yabokkie
The amount of glass is not the sole determinant of lens price. The optical design, the materials used, the lens barrel, the manufacturing tolerances, R&D, quality control, production volume - all those things influence the price of a lens.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (3 months ago)

the amount of glass is not the sole determinant of lens price.
it's the sole dominating determinant of lens price.

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Chaitanya S
By Chaitanya S (3 months ago)

Quite an interesting addition to Samsung Mirrorless camera. Sadly though unlike Olympus/Panasonic 's m4/3 or Sony NEX non of the other mirrorless solutions are easily available in India.

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Tapper123
By Tapper123 (3 months ago)

Damn impressive, at least from specs.

If that 16-50 f2.0-2.8 turns out to be as good as it sounds, I will have to seriously consider a Samsung camera in the future.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (3 months ago)

16-50mm F2.0-2.8 sounds really nice.

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straylightrun
By straylightrun (3 months ago)

Wow. Go Samsung!

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Roland Karlsson
By Roland Karlsson (3 months ago)

Two impressive lenses - one compact and one fast. Hopefully they also are sharp and have nice rendition.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

The best Samsung lenses challenge Leica and Zeiss for color and sharpness. Really. Easily better than the best Canikon lenses.

So very likely yes will be sharp and render well.

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pfzt
By pfzt (3 months ago)

can somebody please explain to me how the pancake zoom works? i'm not familiar with those kind of lenses. thx.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (3 months ago)

You take all of the lenses and smash them together!

But really, when the camera is off, the lenses retracts into a unusable state in order to be as small as possible. When it turns on it retracts out.

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Mssimo
By Mssimo (3 months ago)

They work like compact cameras. You turn on the camera, it expands...You turn off and it retracts.

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Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (3 months ago)

The zoom mechanism itself is motorised, and controlled by a large rocker switch on the side of the lens barrel - see the third picture above.

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pfzt
By pfzt (3 months ago)

thank you very much!

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arbuz
By arbuz (3 months ago)

I see it as a nice addition to my collection of Samsung primes. I hope it will be good optically, as the specs suggest a clear winner.

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kimchiflower
By kimchiflower (3 months ago)

At almost 6x the weight of the consumer version, this is a good example of the (weight) cost of bright lenses.

2 great lenses: tiny Pancake and bright zoom.... Samsung (like Pentax) have to pull out all the stops to get attention!

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

Well this was made for the not-so-tiny NX30 anyway. That's one cool think about some mirrorless systems. You can have both a big higher performance body and lenses and a compact body with pancakes and they all work together with the same mount.

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Naveed Akhtar
By Naveed Akhtar (3 months ago)

But it still looks quite large on that NX30! no?

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RStyga
By RStyga (3 months ago)

Good effort, very good indeed!

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sportyaccordy
By sportyaccordy (3 months ago)

Holy crap. That's pretty cool. Not quite enough to pull me away from NEX but definitely noteworthy. Wonder how this compares to the Sigma 18-35 1.8 and what the max aperture vs FL curve is like.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (3 months ago)

Finally a good kit zoom? Hope so.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

The 20mm-50 is optically excellent, not fast and built incredibly well though.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

I don't think many had issues with the optics of the 20-50, but the zoom range is somewhat compromised vs others starting at 18 or 16.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

tkbslc,

Right, but the image quality from the 18mm-55 wasn't up to the smaller cheaper kit zoom.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (3 months ago)

Wow, nice lenses! Gotta give it to them they have a decent lens line up!
They were the first to release a mirrorless apsc. Now the first to release a fast standard zoom. The F2-2.8 may make people to take them alittle serious.

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kimchiflower
By kimchiflower (3 months ago)

Panasonic released a fast zoom for mirrorless in 2012, and Olympus did so last year

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (3 months ago)

Apsc dude. I kinda figured that was a given and didn't need to explain that. But, dpreview. Gotta explain that stuff.
The m43 does not have a F2-2.8.

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Combatmedic870
By Combatmedic870 (3 months ago)

Even m43**
Wouldn't let me edit my above post.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

kimchiflower:

Those are 4/3 systems. Just saying.

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In hydraulis
By In hydraulis (3 months ago)

Samsung were ABSOLUTELY NOT the first to release a digital mirrorless APS-C camera.

Epson R-D1, announced 11th March 2004
Ricoh GXR, announced 10th November 2009

Although it's not strictly APS-C, we may also consider:
Leica M8, announced 14th September 2006

A nitpick, to be sure, but I won't let it pass.

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

Samsung starts the new year swinging! 16-50 f2-2.8 OIS?! WOW!
It's also roughly the same size as a Sigma 17-50 f2.8, so extra speed at no size/weight penalty.

And the 16-50 'pancake' is certainly more attractive than the current 20-50 range they have now.

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zzzr
By zzzr (3 months ago)

The 16-50mm might win in terms of mobility, but it would be extremely hard to win against 20-50mm in terms of sharpness.

Samsung might be clueless about some things...well..many things. But they they know everything about sharpness.

Nevertheless, this is a great news for me as a long time Samsung pancake fan.

If they re-release the 30mm with iFn, I'll die of happiness

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tkbslc
By tkbslc (3 months ago)

I wasn't even talking mobility. 24mm equivalent starting zoom vs 30mm makes it much more attractive to leave on the camera for travel, etc.

16-50 and 30mm pancakes and a small body and you have a pretty complete tiny kit. Sony doesn't have a pancake normal.

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SMV78
By SMV78 (3 months ago)

Very interesting lens. It's a pity that I don't buy anything from Samsung.

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rb59020
By rb59020 (3 months ago)

Don't open up your laptop or your desktop then. Chances are either or both have Samsung memory. And that LED, LCD or Plasma television in your man cave no matter what the bezel says, quite probably was built using a Samsung screen.

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M Jesper
By M Jesper (3 months ago)

That's probably true, but photography equipment ...

*Sent from my Samsung 830 SSD.

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JEROME NOLAS
By JEROME NOLAS (3 months ago)

Buy Leica Vario X, f3.5-6.4....It will suit you nicely when you drive your Benz...

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SMV78
By SMV78 (3 months ago)

I've had 3 smartphones and one LCD TV. Enough mistakes with just one brand. I'll love to have this lens (if IQ is good) but made by any other brand on any other CSC/EVIL system

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (3 months ago)

@SMV78:

Assume you mean some Samsung smartphones disappointed you. And a Samsung LCD TV failed you. Who likes fluorescent tube illuminated screens anyhow?

Samsung NX lenses are mostly optically good to extraordinary, so it’s a safe bet that the image quality from this lens, when shooting raw with a NX body, will be at least very good.

The Samsung jpeg engine does NOT have a good reputation. So when you get samples don’t go by jpegs.

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