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Best Gear of 2013: The results are in!

By dpreview staff on Jan 2, 2014 at 22:46 GMT
Best Gear of 2013: The results are in!
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Best Gear of 2013: The results are in!

The results are in! Before Christmas, we asked you to vote for your favorite gear in five categories. Best lens, best DSLR / SLT, best fixed-lens compact camera, best mirrorless interchangeable lens camera and best enthusiast zoom compact. Now, with almost 30,000 votes cast since December 18th, it's time to unveil the results of our 2013 readers polls. Click through for a look at the category winners and runners-up.

574
I own it
240
I want it
39
I had it
Discuss in the forums
770
I own it
627
I want it
185
I had it
Discuss in the forums
528
I own it
180
I want it
9
I had it
Discuss in the forums
992
I own it
689
I want it
140
I had it
Discuss in the forums
310
I own it
611
I want it
48
I had it
Discuss in the forums
186
I own it
438
I want it
20
I had it
Discuss in the forums
376
I own it
568
I want it
107
I had it
Discuss in the forums
65
I own it
163
I want it
4
I had it
Discuss in the forums
181
I own it
298
I want it
41
I had it
Discuss in the forums
523
I own it
343
I want it
91
I had it
Discuss in the forums

Comments

Total comments: 159
joyclick
By joyclick (2 months ago)

Pentax K3 is not reviewed.

Finds place in best gear of the year by vote

DPR isn't bothered 'bout its review.

Thank you DPR

0 upvotes
buddah610
By buddah610 (3 months ago)

I am an amateur photographer and on a very fixed income. I have always had a love for this but my life had to take a different course. Still, I managed to take pics but never had decent gear. I always wanted a Nikon because that's all I ever saw the pro's use.Well fast forward many years and I'm now 48 and have the time to do what I want...that is except walk long distances.I have become obsessed with photography, learning all I can. Well,4 months ago, I was planning to buy my first DSLR, a Nikon D3200.The problem was, my partner had secretly already purchased a Canon T3i bundle from QVC. I wanted to die. I had to pretend that this was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It came with 2 lenses and a bunch of other crap. I have already had to have it repaired twice. The 18-55mms kit lens is the worst! I did, however, find the sweet spot and it's ok.I am going to order a 50 50mm f/1.8 and pray it helps. I see people rave over this diva and I don't get it. I call it a diva because one false move and something goes wrong.Everything that Canon makes to go with the camera cost a fortune! Why do people think this camera is so wonderful? Am I missing something? I will use the camera to learn all my skills with then purchase a different one. The way things are going with mirrored cam's, they are looking very good to me.I love black and white portrait shots and urban decay.One last thing...I don't think Canon is as bad as you are all saying but not as good as others say either. They say it's not the camera, it's the person behind the lens.I don't agree. My Samsung Galaxy 3 took shots that I printed at home, no editing and my friends thought it was my DSLR. I think it's 50/50. Thanks for reading, if u still are. :)

3 upvotes
noirdude
By noirdude (3 months ago)

And Nikon didn't win any..

2 upvotes
brownie314
By brownie314 (3 months ago)

Nope. Do you really think in a beauty contest anyone would vote for the big bully on the block? Nikon isn't winning any beauty contest, but they might survive this changing imaging market, where Oly/Pany/Fuji - well maybe not.

0 upvotes
Stanchung
By Stanchung (3 months ago)

That's good, so that they will work harder as incentive.

0 upvotes
Zerg2905
By Zerg2905 (3 months ago)

And the results are predictable. One interesting matter is related to the "price element": the "best" also must be... "cheap" (relatively). Otherwise, I will stick with my initial opinion: the best lens of 2013 is the Canon 200-400 (because the manufacturing capabilities must be exceptional in order to have such an exceptional product available - again, this is not an "easy" lens, from any perspective).
DSLRs: I agree with the result. I would, however, like to see a better mainstream Canon APSc in 2014, sensor wise (again, related to design and manufacturing, not just design, because the dual pixel is formidable for video, but not quite spectacular for photographic work). Otherwise, the 70D is a very good product. Otherwise...
Cheers! :)

0 upvotes
robbo d
By robbo d (3 months ago)

Interesting result. Pentax users are traditionally supportive, but this seems to go above and beyond that. Now is the time for Pentax to cement this result and continue to build their sales and marketing game, plus a few new serious 'system' products to continue the momentum.

4 upvotes
Heie2
By Heie2 (3 months ago)

As a very heavily invested Pentax user, I concur.

1 upvote
historianx
By historianx (3 months ago)

Let the bitchin and moanin begin...

3 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (3 months ago)

It has already started in the next poll.

Comment edited 13 seconds after posting
0 upvotes
Mister J
By Mister J (3 months ago)

Interesting bunch, though none are on my own shopping list.

I'll happily stick with my iPhone and Pany FZ combo.

0 upvotes
Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (3 months ago)

The results of this 'test' are flawed.
Best lens: "Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 12-40mm 1:2.8 PRO"

While there is no mentioning at all of the Sigma 35mm f1.4 Art.
Which is probably the best 35mm lens available for ALL brands at this current moment.

Very very strange.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 5 minutes after posting
1 upvote
Josh Hays
By Josh Hays (3 months ago)

The Sigma 35mm f1.4 Art was introduced in 2012, not 2013. And the winner of the Best Lens poll was actually the Sigma 18-35mm (the Olympus was the runner up).

10 upvotes
retro76
By retro76 (3 months ago)

Interesting, you never see most of the caneras selected in public, yet they somehow got best gear ???

2 upvotes
mister_roboto
By mister_roboto (3 months ago)

Yeah well most people who own a camera have never been to this web site, and virtually all cameras I see at Canon Rebels, random pocket point and shoots and cell phones.
DPR really is an enthusiast site.

3 upvotes
nekrosoft13
By nekrosoft13 (3 months ago)

best does not equal common. what do you expect? some cheap-ass Rebel and iphone being best photographic gear?

10 upvotes
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (3 months ago)

Great. A bunch of people who probably never experienced either of these cameras giving their well-founded opinion on them. I expect a record-breaking number of comments...

4 upvotes
mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (3 months ago)

What I gathered from this is that Dpreview readers are starting to take notice of Olympus M4/3s cameras and lenses but not so much with Panasonic M4/3s cameras and lenses.

They also agree that Sony flat out owns the compact sensor camera category.

Canon is starting to make a better product but it just can't quite catch up with the other brands.

Pentax has made a great product for many years. They just can't get the review sites to acknowledge that.

Nikon made some great products lately but they probably priced themselves outside of what the market would accept.

6 upvotes
drummercam
By drummercam (3 months ago)

"Pentax has made a great product for many years. They just can't get the review sites to acknowledge that."

Other review sites have reviewed the K-3 already and find it highly capable, as do users who already have it in-hand. DPR is now in the position of having to put a new spin on their K-3 review somehow so as to add to a discussion that really has already left them behind the curve on the camera that turned out to top their poll.

Comment edited 19 seconds after posting
9 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

I don't recall reading many bad reviews of Pentax DSLRs lately. K-r, K-30, K-50, K-500, K-5, K-5 II, they all have received mostly praise from the major review sites, and the K-3 will likely get great reviews too. I don't think the critics are to be blamed for Pentax's small market share; the great camera buying public (who rarely visit gear sites to read reviews) is simply not aware of the brand, which has low visibility in stores, and is, quite frankly, poorly marketed.

1 upvote
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

"Which probably means we should get going with our full review, right? We'll get right on it."

I hate to say I told you so, but... :

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52482246
;-)

6 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (3 months ago)

I guess, without question, combo of the year =
Pentax K3 + Sigma 18-35

O...wait...the Sigma doesn't come in PK mount ;)

2 upvotes
gnewsch
By gnewsch (3 months ago)

Simple: OM-D E-M1 with the m.zuiko 12-40/2.8

4 upvotes
Alex Sarbu
By Alex Sarbu (3 months ago)

Actually the Sigma will be made available in PK mount.

6 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

You can pre-order it now: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/983904-REG/sigma_210_109_18_35mm_f1_8_dc_hsm.html

1 upvote
Heie2
By Heie2 (3 months ago)

And the 18-35 f/1.8 will be stabilized on any Pentax ;)

10 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (3 months ago)

Then that's great news!

0 upvotes
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (3 months ago)

"I guerss, without question"
How articulate.

0 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (3 months ago)

i wish RICOH would use the pictures of the K-3 drenched in water instead of the ricoh logo on all their sponsored tennis tournaments advertisements and have thESE words added..PENTAX K-3 MADE BY RICOH...i guess,it would make a great impact on the K-3 in the market and the RICOH CO.

.........and i think,all the winners of this poll are deserving...the majority have just chosen the best in every category.at least, for the products that didn't come out in front,they deserve to represent for the respective manufacturers.
and for NIKON,i think it could have gone different had they rolled a NIKON D400.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
kimkoy68
By kimkoy68 (3 months ago)

If The results are in why not announcing it clearly!!

3 upvotes
bluevellet
By bluevellet (3 months ago)

And miss 10 pages worth of banner ads?

8 upvotes
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Banner ads?

1 upvote
timo
By timo (3 months ago)

Obviously DPR wouldn't have bothered to review the K3 were it not for this poll, as the remarks on the relevant page make clear. That's a bit depressing.

5 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

I'm sure they would have gotten around to it sooner or later. I did my best to let them know there was interest in a k3 review and they did at least acknowledge my poll existed: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52474138

1 upvote
JeffreyJC
By JeffreyJC (3 months ago)

The sometimes forgotten camera company comes in first place.

6 upvotes
fz750
By fz750 (3 months ago)

Am I the only one wondering why the Pentax K3 got twice as many votes as any other camera in that group?

It doesn´t seem logical to me, given the reviews (of all the cameras), price (50% more than the D7100 here) and number of sales and lens support etc etc

I own none of these cameras voted upon, just an interested observer..

Comment edited 3 times, last edit 11 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (3 months ago)

Because it is the only dslr that puts the photographer first, instead of marketing.

9 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (3 months ago)

if and when you'll want a camera,buy one, and you'll know why it was voted overwhelmingly.even those who own nikon and canons voted for it because of its innovative and evolutionary features and even if DPR didn't give us a complete review of the product.

3 upvotes
drummercam
By drummercam (3 months ago)

Several thousand frames into my K-3 and I am not surprised at all that the Pentax K-3 got such a decisive share of the votes. It's very VERY good.

3 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (3 months ago)

These polls cannot possibly reflect voter ownership. No one buys a camera in every category each year. I don't own any of the cameras or lenses I voted for.

The Pentax K-3 won because most of the readers felt it was the best (most innovative, most interesting, etc) DSLR of the year. And obviously NOT because they owned one.

7 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

"It doesn´t seem logical to me, given the reviews (of all the cameras), price (50% more than the D7100 here)"

I don't know where you live, MSRPs in the States are $1300 for k-3 vs $1200 for D7100. But D7100 is an older camera, saturated the market, disappointed a few people, so starting to come down on sales. But still nowhere near 50% difference.

0 upvotes
fz750
By fz750 (3 months ago)

@peevee1, Switzerland

D7100 Body: 830.- SFr
K3 Body: 1495.- Sfr

D7100 with 18-140mm: 1198.- Sfr
K3 with 18-135mm: 1799.- Sfr

Strangely, there is a K3 kit listed with 18-55mm costing 1369.- Sfr but there's no direct Nikon D7100 kit equivalent, perhaps the cheapest kit with the 18-105mm lens which is 1111.- Sfr

(1000.- Sfr = $1110)

So, as you can see, the k3 is

Body: 80% more
Kit1: 50% more
kit2 (cheapest K3): 25% more

(prices source: toppreise.ch comparison site)

I suspect that Pentax in Switzerland are simply overpriced (often happens) and the camera hasn't been available for long and prices haven't dropped yet, maybe it takes longer with cameras that don't have the sales volume that Nikon have. I've not seen it in mainstream shops yet that stock other Pentax cameras (FNAC, for example).

0 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (3 months ago)

Personally the best lens this year is Canon's 11-22mm STM
It's small, it's light, it's sharp, it's got image stabilization, it's got low distortion...and it's so CHEAP!!!

I don't shoot people or go birding with it, but for any other occasions, like parties, hiking, travelling, street photography, it's a must have.

1 upvote
fz750
By fz750 (3 months ago)

It would be if it fitted any cameras that many of us own and only one in Canon´s range..

2 upvotes
Thorgrem
By Thorgrem (3 months ago)

It's just a slow wide-zoom. Nothing special about that. And it's not available in the US. And it's a part of the Canon EOS-M system which is a joke.

7 upvotes
qwertyasdf
By qwertyasdf (3 months ago)

It's certainly not special, but to me, it's exciting.
Most real photographers' fav or most used lens is probably nothing special anyways. I bring it with me where ever I go, and I naturally fall in love with the lens.
I've got exotic glasses like the 85L, but it's more like a one night affair.

0 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (3 months ago)

Yawn...it's just a slow, very wide zoom that's sharp and stabilized, for $450. That goes on a boring camera with a decent sized sensor. Why would anybody want all that, when you can get lenses that are bigger, heavier, more expensive? So you can get shallow depth of field from a wide angle, of course! Now that makes sense.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
tharwan
By tharwan (3 months ago)

That is a lot of Sony stuff…

8 upvotes
JohnEwing
By JohnEwing (3 months ago)

"Fixed-lens mirrorless"? As opposed to fixed-lens SLRs?

2 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

There's no such thing as "Fixed-lens mirrorless". It's either compact / bridge camera, or mirrorless (which is a shortcut for mirrorless interchangeable lens camera)

4 upvotes
Debankur Mukherjee
By Debankur Mukherjee (3 months ago)

not a single Nikon.......8-((

1 upvote
greypixelz
By greypixelz (3 months ago)

Nikon could have been right up there if they didn't screw the pooch with the Df.

14 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

You remember those test-tube abominations in that one scene in Aliens Resurrection where the alien and human mixed in the most terrible of ways, and one was really close but whatserface had to kill it out of sympathy? That's all I can think of when I see the Df. FM2+D4+four years in a test tube = terrible, terrible mistake.

8 upvotes
new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

...followed by the 58mm...

4 upvotes
greypixelz
By greypixelz (3 months ago)

To think that all Nikon had to do was to make a digital back for the FM/FE line or put the digital guts into a FM3a body.
Regarding the 58mm, what exactly were they thinking? If they wanted to make a throwback to their heritage, it should have been a f/1.2; then and only then it would have commended the price tag they put on it.

3 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

DF could be a huge success if priced ~500$ less. But sadly Nikon was greedy so it ended up a huge disappointment for many.

3 upvotes
D1N0
By D1N0 (3 months ago)

Because nikon fanboys couldn't agree and divided their votes over Df d610 and d7100. Nikon got more dslr votes than any other brand, sadly they spread the best dslr over three different camera' s. {nikon, not the voters).

0 upvotes
greypixelz
By greypixelz (3 months ago)

The price is not the problem with the Df. It could have been priced at 1000$ and it would have still sucked pickled eggs.
Also, the issue wasn't that the Nikon users "spread their vote", the issue was Nikon's dSLRs were not innovative enough compared to the K-3 which is a very complete photographer's tool.

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 9 minutes after posting
6 upvotes
raztec
By raztec (3 months ago)

Da failure (Df) is totally ill conceived, I agree. But the price is a huge factor. Nikon's greed and complete disrespect for its customers is written all over it. However, in spite of that, I would probably buy one for the D4 sensor alone if it was priced at around $1000 at most. However, in marketing terms they could have probably priced it at $1600 and had reasonable sales primarily from people who already own Nikon glass.

0 upvotes
micronean
By micronean (3 months ago)

I'm disappointed there was no "Camera of the Year", but I think it's even more telling that, for the second year in a row, neither Nikon or Canon have won any significant awards of this nature on DPReview.

It's been said repeatedly in the forums over the past year that Nikon and Canon are falling behind the times, but this is certainly proof that they're not trailblazers anymore. I'm especially disappointed with Nikon. Growing up, they were what everyone wanted to have, and every camera wanted to be. They've now been surpassed in tech--and in favor from serious amateurs--by competitors they used to leave in the dust.

Nikon now just seems to rely only on its name and it's old-timer customer base. I wonder how many of their new customers are anything but "Walmart/Target-ish" bottom dwellers...

6 upvotes
Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (3 months ago)

The best analogy would be the global warming (or cooling as some predicts). Even if C&N appears to be dormant in showing the innovative edge, they still have healthy returns on their long time strategy.
Sooner rather than later the giants will be awaken from the hibernation to lead the trends again. After all, they are in better position of know how, experience and knowing the market than any newcomer to the game. Resources, not only financial, play a crucial role here and seems like both brands are healthy and solid in this respect. Stay tuned...

1 upvote
duckling
By duckling (3 months ago)

All DSLR (and even most mirrorless) manufacturers rely on their "old-timer customer bases" as well as on newly-found customers. Proprietary mounts suppress innovation and protect stagnant "market leaders" from a well deserved punishment.

0 upvotes
techmine
By techmine (3 months ago)

I can't get over the fact that Sony rx100 II is without a viewfinder. It is an enthusiast camera and enthusiasts (like me) have always been critical of absence of viewfinders in their cameras. Picture quality trumps this stark absence? Hard to digest. On top of it, Sony hasn't released an external evf, yet. Numero uno is all right but I can't imagine myself buying it. Nikon not making into any of these categories is a shame.

1 upvote
new boyz
By new boyz (3 months ago)

I think it's a compromise to make the smallest possible 1 inch sensor zoom camera.

0 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

Sony have released an EVF for the RX1. I believe it works with RX100 II too.

2 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

Yea, you can use both: EVF and OVF attachment with RX100 II.
In case of compact - optional, interchangable viewfinder is always better than a huge, build-in "bump" with EVF.

Comment edited 12 seconds after posting
3 upvotes
techmine
By techmine (3 months ago)

it is not compact in any way you look at it. And VF does not always result in bump. Check out Fuji cameras or even Sony's own Nex-7.
I stand corrected about the EVF. They do have an EVF now which will work on RX100 II.

0 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

"I can't get over the fact that Sony rx100 II is without a viewfinder"

What, you mean this viewfinder? :) http://imgur.com/35PS3wg

0 upvotes
larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (3 months ago)

The Panasonic GM1 deserves mention. Olympus E-M1 image quality (probably) in a package that small, & with decent controls? It's sort of like the ultimate realization of the promise of micro 4/3rds. I have Sony NEX stuff & like it, but if I were getting another system & could afford it, the GM1 would seriously interest me.

4 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

IMHO the GM1 is one that should take 2nd place in mirrorless category. NOT A7r.

2 upvotes
leonche64
By leonche64 (3 months ago)

Did you vote?

1 upvote
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (3 months ago)

@Plastek that's not what all the other poll voters through tho

0 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (3 months ago)

I'm surprised the SL1 didn't do better, and even more surprised (this time in a good way) that the K3 took the show in the SLR category. Always thought high of Pentax, but nice to see more others are to. I'd say the RX10, K3, and X100S all have my current eye.

But what surprised me the most, no votes at all for Samsung.

Just kidding.

Carl

Comment edited 22 seconds after posting
5 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (3 months ago)

Why would SL1 do better when it is the worst DSLR of 2013 (or, in other words, cheapened basic DSLR from the end of 2009-beginning 2010).

4 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Yeah, it might be another T2i rehash. But now it looks like somebody ran it over! :D
And it comes in white!!
*squeeeel!*

3 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (3 months ago)

Gee with that awesome rationale from you both, what the heck was I thinking.

3 upvotes
ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Right!?

1 upvote
Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

"But what surprised me the most, no votes at all for Samsung." - why? It's not surprising at all. They're noone in camera market. They never did anything on their own - every single thing they got in their cameras is copy&paste from competition. Why would something like that deserve any mention or praise is beyond me.

But I do agree with everything else you said (especially SL1).

Comment edited 2 times, last edit 2 minutes after posting
0 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (3 months ago)

Voters in these polls get to pick something without spending their own money. So naturally, they will pick something pretty expensive and very desirable, and not the cheapest camera that offers the best value.

The SL1 didn't get very many votes because it really isn't anyone's dream camera. It's just a downsized version of a nice entry level DSLR. However, it did beat out five other value cameras (Pentax K-500, Canon 700D, Nikon D5300, Pentax K50, and Sony A58).

1 upvote
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (3 months ago)

I don't consider the RX100 to be compact enough to be a compact. It's too thick and the lens sticks out too much. I consider it in the same category as the Canon G-series - too big to be a true compact. A Canon S-series is the upper end of the size I'd consider to be "compact".

If it were 8mm thinner and started at 24mm instead of 28mm, then it might be interesting.

0 upvotes
cgarrard
By cgarrard (3 months ago)

Those two improvements would make it more interesting. I'd like a small built in grip on it, something similar to the "optional" grip Sony offers for it.

0 upvotes
Tim O'Connor
By Tim O'Connor (3 months ago)

I dont agree - it fits into a jeans pocket, and the lens retracts all the way into the body. Its MUCH smaller than the Canon G-series. To me its perfectly compact.

7 upvotes
locke_fc
By locke_fc (3 months ago)

Oh, come on. It fits into a jeans pocket. How can you not consider that "true" compact?

3 upvotes
Richard Franiec
By Richard Franiec (3 months ago)

Can someone enlighten me?
When you are talking about "jeans pocket": are you referring to front or rear pocket? The last pair of jeans I wore (mid 80's) did not allowed anything more than slim wallet (rear) or cigarette lighter (front), if I remember well.
In addition, carrying the camera in the pocket could lead to some problems with lint, like impossible to clean, fixed lens cam's dusty sensor. The whole concept of jeans pocketeable camera is more of obsession than practical solution to me.

Comment edited 6 minutes after posting
2 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

Compact camera is just a marketing term for cameras with non-interchangeable lenses. I guess that is what DPR means by the term, anyway.

0 upvotes
Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

We don't live in '80s anymore. Now you can easily fit RX100 in a rear pocket.

1 upvote
Tim O'Connor
By Tim O'Connor (3 months ago)

I should add - it fits into the front and rear pockets of the jeans that I own. I guess stove pipe hipster pants would be out :)

1 upvote
Lee Jay
By Lee Jay (3 months ago)

I keep my Galaxy S3 and my compact in the same front pocket of my jeans. However, even without the S3, a camera this thick is very uncomfortable, and no, the lens does not retract fully into the body.

http://j.mp/1crbkaM#sthash.v0lbJcqE.dpuf

0 upvotes
Leiduowen
By Leiduowen (3 months ago)

I voted with my wallet. Sony RX100 II. That says is it all.

4 upvotes
GREG HUTCHINS
By GREG HUTCHINS (3 months ago)

Nikon make every thing they are actually apart of mitsubishi

0 upvotes
AlexClickButan
By AlexClickButan (3 months ago)

That's not even close to correct. Nikon makes optical equipment. They are a subsidiary of the Mitsubishi Keiretsu, but they are a completely standalone business.

It's like saying that GEICO make frozen yoghurt, just because Berkshire also control Dairy Queen.

Comment edited 21 seconds after posting
2 upvotes
dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (3 months ago)

Unfortunately the best doesn't always sell because:

. People make purchase decisions based on value
. Photographers got locked into a system
. Mediocre cameras of today are actually quite good
. Non-photographers buy the camera they see pros are using rather than the camera they need
. Innovation makes a good read, but they aren't always useful

2 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (3 months ago)

these are the stupid but with the cash buyers.....

0 upvotes
KL Matt
By KL Matt (3 months ago)

And: the company that puts out the best products is often not the company with the best distribution and marketing. Pentax has a very different distribution structure compared to the big two. Every camera store on the planet carries Nikon and Canon. Only a few still carry Pentax. Also: the first to conquer a market will often remain the market leader for decades with competitors having little or no chance regardless of what they do. The big guys can sit back comfortably and watch the competition bleed itself dry innovating while saving their own R&D money. Then, when something shows actual resonance on the market, they quickly copy it and put the competitor out of business with their superior distribution and name recognition. It's just the way markets work.

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Michael Ma
By Michael Ma (3 months ago)

I hope Canon and Nikon have been humbled by what happened in 2013. While they were busy purposely building inferior models to their high priced flagships, the competitors finally caught up to them and left them in the dust.

They need to fight back and fight back hard.

With that said, I felt the results were a little strange for some categories.

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Revenant
By Revenant (3 months ago)

Are you implying that Sony didn't build the A3000 on purpose? ;-)

3 upvotes
AlexClickButan
By AlexClickButan (3 months ago)

I am sure they were totally humbled by an internet poll.

And yes, they definitely got left in the dust while outselling their competitors 5:1. Because, as we all know, the role of businesses is to get props on internet forums, not to make money by selling goods and services to consumers.

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Iggy95
By Iggy95 (3 months ago)

While in terms of innovation these companies have surpassed Canon and Nikon, Canon and Nikon are still raking in profit where other companies are barely scraping by. Motivation to change = zero from the business point of view.

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cpkuntz
By cpkuntz (3 months ago)

Sony's real innovation wasn't this year, it was when they developed he Exmor sensor line. All the rest of this "innovation" people are gushing about is simply miniaturization. If you want a small camera, fine, but I wouldn't call it innovative. We've had compact cameras for decades. They still aren't as responsive to the photographer as SLRs, and they won't be any time soon. Amateur toys.

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kimchiflower
By kimchiflower (3 months ago)

Photography is Nikon's only business (as far as I'm aware, and unlike Canon), yet they didn't win anything, not even a runner-up.

Oops....

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raztec
By raztec (3 months ago)

Just goes to show that when you don't take any real risks and try to be truly innovative, you will lose sales and slowly your loyal fan base. Nikon have some of the best engineers in the industry, but it's their marketing department and leadership that is sorely lacking. I hope other camera makers and Nikon hopefully take note of the following:

1. Don't try to win the megapixel race (aka D800). Only mass consumers buy into that. Real photographers want high dynamic range and great low light performance.

2. Don't try to be cute (eg. V1 and J1). You are a photography company first and foremost, not an accessories outfitter.

3. Don't poop on your loyal fans and give them the big middle finger. We've been asking you to build a proper digital FM2 style camera and you give us the pretentious Df??

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edu T
By edu T (3 months ago)

They also make sophisticated (IC waffer UV photolithography) steppers, probably nice enough to be at least the runner-up (amid ASML, Ultratech, Canon, Intel and no one else).

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acidic
By acidic (3 months ago)

"Photography is Nikon's only business"
Photography is only a part of Nikon's business. Look at their website.

"Only mass consumers buy into that."
Marketing something to the masses is not a bad business decision. Without their money, you would be paying much, much more for their "serious" cameras.

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Yeah, I hear they also make rifle scopes so that angry hunters can murder baby hyena puppies or whatever everyone was all worked up about recently.

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micronean
By micronean (3 months ago)

In Japan, Nikon also outfits contact lenses and glasses lenses. I'm using Nikon contacts right now :)

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completelyrandomstuff
By completelyrandomstuff (3 months ago)

they do all sorts of optics. Both olympus and nikon are huge in optical microscopy world, zeiss being the third major option to choose from. Olympus and Pentax also do medical imaging, which are very profitable at the moment. In fact Olympus camera business is apparently just their sidekick to their medical imaging (there was an interview about it).

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Olympus is actually the world leader in voice recorders, too.

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Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

"Photography is Nikon's only business" - No, it's not.

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Zerixos
By Zerixos (3 months ago)

raztec, guess you don't like the D800? even it has great dynamic range and great noise performance due there 36mp sensor. If you crop those images to, like say, 16mp? You’ll get image results close to the noise performance of the D4, and there for beats most DSLR's in still photography. (and isn't a 2013 camera so not a really great argument for this poll results)
The Nikon 1 series aren't for real photographers but aimed at families who might just like this "cuteness" (I get a lot people in the shop wanting to buy this because of the looks, over any other mirrorless).
And the DF, well the DF is a disappointment. They could have done great things with this concept of camera, but thet didn't...

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

Zerixos, the D800 is terrible because of its 36mp sensor. Go back to DXO and click the "screen" button next to "print" and you can see the results for actual pixel-level quality rather than DXO's ridiculous 8mp downsampled "print" option. Their method of scoring is, by definition, biased towards higher MP cameras, but the D800 is hardly better than the Canon T3 at the pixel level.
No, if you crop the D800 to 16mp you get the D7000, not the D4. Proof:
http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Nikon-D800-versus-Nikon-D4-versus-Nikon-D7000___792_767_680

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FinDERP
By FinDERP (3 months ago)

These articles are laid out so badly!

Hire a web designer, seriously

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Are you volunteering?

5 upvotes
acidic
By acidic (3 months ago)

Umm, do you volunteer at dpreview? Or are you salaried?

1 upvote
Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

@ acidic - a bit of both, to be honest :)

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fz750
By fz750 (3 months ago)

Actually Barney, the web page above looks pretty awful, half a mile long full of repetitive elements related to first, Gearshop and then Amazon´s offers.., as well as the "useful" information being split by adverts which is less than optimal

The fundamantal structure is sort of ok, but somewhat confusing (cover flow style element with the repeated results in the grid below) and maybe Nielsen´s heuristics should be revisted.

Somehow I think the website has become so overloaded with adverts and the like (when looking above..) that the information we came for is becoming lost.

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Boerseuntjie
By Boerseuntjie (3 months ago)

I was under the impression they get paid in bribes from camera manufacturers...LOL
Who would volunteer to be judged every day by Trolls?

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (3 months ago)

One page--again, ONE PAGE would be nice. Next, next, next, next--what is this? (Hint: view it on a tablet or smartphone with a browser in "mobile viewing" mode, something like Opera Mini or Dolphin Mini.)

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

One suuuuuuuper loooooooooooooong paaaaaaaaaaage.

Yeah - because that's easier on the eyes than a single page position and a handful of mouse-clicks ;)

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (3 months ago)

Actually I think it IS, that's why many sites offer a "view all" option. It keeps you from having to keep reloading, you load once and scroll, it's called "page down." It would be nice to have the option one way or the other anyway. (The format of the reviews are fine to me though, for what my 2 cents is worth.)

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

A good point, well-made. Honestly, there's no 'view all' button for now because we haven't had the time to tweak it with so much other development work going on, on the site. But a full site redesign is in the works for this year.

From a UX point of view though, I will still make the case for a single page position (a la the 'slideshow' approach) making most sense for some content, since the top of the page is where you'll find all of the related and featured content. If you end up scrolling aaaaaaaaall the way dooooooooooown you wind up in a dead zone right at the bottom of the site, away from all of the links to other things you might want to read.

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acidic
By acidic (3 months ago)

"If you end up scrolling aaaaaaaaall the way dooooooooooown you wind up in a dead zone right at the bottom of the site, away from all of the links to other things you might want to read."

Yeah, away from all of the adverts and such. :-)

Also, requiring readers to click click click results in more page views, which advertisers are willing to pay more for.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

"away from all of the adverts and such"

Well, we have to have adverts or we wouldn't have a site...

But there are many many many many many more related links and links to featured content on these pages than there are adverts. I hate to get in the way of a nice cynical theory though, so believe whatever you like!

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neo_nights
By neo_nights (3 months ago)

I would rather have a "loooooooong page" than having to "click click click". This format works well on smartphones/tablets due their smaller screen and touchscreen usability.

On 'normal' computers, though, the less clicks, the better.

Also, usually, DPReview's articles with this slideshow approach have very little text and hardly have more than 10 slides (11, here in this case). So I don't think one or two pages would be really that looooooooong.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (3 months ago)

Agreed. More often than not I skip most pages in a slideshow, if not the whole thing. It's annoying.

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Matewka
By Matewka (3 months ago)

Uninstall Opera mini. It's the only modern browser that doesn't support javascript! It's like a camera without AF. You can live without it but what life is it anyway.

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Dougbm_2
By Dougbm_2 (3 months ago)

@Barney Britton. If you are doing a site redesign I have a couple of suggestions.
When you have a review page please don't require the reader to click again to another page. It used to be fine but now is confusing and a bit daft.
When you click on review images they expand (twice). Can you please revert to all images doing this including forum post images.
Please, please delete the "click for remaining replys" nonsense in posts.

Other than that well done for the good work. I think the site IS getting a bit overloaded but also some interesting stuff going on. Don't forget to get those reviews out though.
: )
Cheers Doug

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acidic
By acidic (3 months ago)

I'm not complaining about the adverts, I get why they are necessary. I also get why the page is laid out the way it is. Like most businesses, DPReview is a revenue-driven site. Money talks :-)

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larrytusaz
By larrytusaz (3 months ago)

Just because money talks doesn't mean you should listen. Besides, you forget--what good is advertising if no one is reading the site to start with? Thus, the readers should matter--in fact, maybe they should matter the most.

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Kenri Basar
By Kenri Basar (3 months ago)

Sony is ranking in... Interesting how it is becoming an important name in the Photography world.

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (3 months ago)

Interesting but not totally surprising. While some of the big names of the film era are thriving in digital like Canon and Nikon, most fell by the wayside like Contax, Konica, and Minolta.

The digital revolution opened the doors for electronics companies to dominate photography who had never had a name in photography before, like Samsung, Panasonic, and Sony.

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Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

"becoming"? Sony was always large in photography world, even before 2006 when they bought Minolta engineers from Konica-Minolta as well as rights for the A-mount. Only back in the day they were focus on point & shoot market - so stayed "under the radar" for most of photographers. Now they're much more aggressive in higher end gear.

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (3 months ago)

Due to a high turnover rate there are some very questionable cameras on this list.

Former owners vs. current status = 33.33% for the Sony RX-10
Former owners vs. current status = 32.28% for the Sony 7R
Former owners vs. current status = 24.22% for the Fuji X-100s

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sebiruns
By sebiruns (3 months ago)

Great times indeed. Anybody who is complaining about a lack of innovation must be a teenager or new to photography. Comparing todays offerings to what was available just a decade ago just blows your mind. Especially the last two years were extremely innovative with a lot of interesting mirrorless offerings from Sony, Fuji, Olympus and Panasonic. I think this will also help increase innovation from DSLR makers Nikon, Pentax and Canon who must fear losing their biggest advantages: continuous AF speed, lens selection and battery life. Great time for photographers. Especially the lenses from outsiders are getting better. I am a Canon shooter and seriously hope Canon will up their game when it comes to ef-s lenses which are expensive and mostly slow.

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AlexClickButan
By AlexClickButan (3 months ago)

Congrats to both Pentax shooters out there on their newfound validation.

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (3 months ago)

Yes. Now can they PLEASE stop spamming every non-Pentax thread while the actual Pentax news gets very little interest?

5 upvotes
AlexClickButan
By AlexClickButan (3 months ago)

Hopefully, the K3 has the forum-auto-spam option factory default to Off in firmware.

1 upvote
Resom
By Resom (3 months ago)

@InTheMist - eat that!

P E N T A X!!!

(this must really hurt you, huh?)

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Mirrorless Crusader
By Mirrorless Crusader (3 months ago)

LOL Canikon got SHUT OUT of the awards! Sony and Oly are the future of photography! Long live mirrorless, death to DSLRS!

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ragmanjin
By ragmanjin (3 months ago)

I can't imagine anyone having a more fitting name than yours, MC.

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AlexClickButan
By AlexClickButan (3 months ago)

Mirrorless is a touch over 10% market share in the US, 11% in Europe. And dropping.

And between them, 'Canikon' hold over 86% of the DSLR market.I doubt they care that they were 'shut out' of a user-voted poll on an internet website.

So good luck with that, buddy.

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Jimmy jang Boo
By Jimmy jang Boo (3 months ago)

People who buy a Sony camera are most likely to be dissatisfied with their purchase according to the numbers of this poll.

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mick232
By mick232 (3 months ago)

@Alex: the DSLR market is less than 50% of overall digital cameras - don't forget that when referring to your nice 86% figure

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D200_4me
By D200_4me (3 months ago)

Being someone that currently owns and shoots both mirrorless and DSLR, I do love my mirrorless (E-M1) more than my D600 (and even my X100S, but that's mirrorless too). Too many people that don't have enough info automatically dismiss mirrorless cameras. If they only knew what they were missing ;-)

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Just another Canon shooter
By Just another Canon shooter (3 months ago)

" If they only knew what they were missing ;-)"

They know what they are NOT missing, a mirror.

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Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

D200_4me - X100s is NOT mirrorless-type camera, it's compact.
And people don't dismiss mirrorless because of lack of information, they dismiss mirrorless because compacts (including X100) and DSLRs do much better job in their respective roles covering all the bases, so there's no need for mirrorless.

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D200_4me
By D200_4me (3 months ago)

The only thing my D600 does better (as far as anything meaningful) than my E-M1 is better high ISO and better continuous AF of moving subjects. D600 has more shallow DOF, but that ends up being a problem more than a benefit for my shooting and subjects. In the end, both make photos and the one that gives me a better overall experience is the E-M1. Smaller, lighter, same superb lens quality and arguably faster in many regards (such as touch screen for focus selection, etc, etc). Oh and built-in IS so ANY lens is stabilized. And it works wonders. If you have a NEED to use a DSLR for specific reasons, that's great. Use what you need. But too many people dismiss mirrorless because they view it as a toy, novelty or lesser quality. That's a shame. Either way, I'm enjoying my photography even more these days...with all 3 types I own and use (X100S, D600, E-M1). They all have qood and bad qualities, but all are capable of excellent images! :-)

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

What would be the best lens of 2014. After today it might become a samsung. Now that is a scary thought.

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Plastek
By Plastek (3 months ago)

Won't happen.

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mick232
By mick232 (3 months ago)

Where's Nikon?

1 upvote
RichRMA
By RichRMA (3 months ago)

In the shop, getting its focusing fixed and shutter oil changed.

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Jim Salvas
By Jim Salvas (3 months ago)

Nikon took over 42% of the vote in DSLR, but it was split over four models. In other words, Nikon is selling, as usual.

4 upvotes
Resom
By Resom (3 months ago)

Nikon is everywhere. No chance to escape.

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BarnET
By BarnET (3 months ago)

Richrma that is a good one. Pressed the like button 5 times. But still just 1 vote

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Giklab
By Giklab (3 months ago)

Inb4 somebody whines that the K-3 is on the last page...

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (3 months ago)

Inb4 someone else chips in with 'saving the best till last'

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Resom
By Resom (3 months ago)

Pentax K-3 is on the last page? NOOOOOO!!!

Right. Thanks dpreview. t h a n k y o u.

The dark age of ignorance comes with the canikon-orcs of mordor. But a small village full of crazy people fighting against it! In the middle of this village ... there is a Pentax shop. Home of the brave.

We will fight and if we fall, songs will be sung about us!

...

Or we can simply buy a Canon or Nikon.

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Lab D
By Lab D (3 months ago)

Best awards are always announce last. Think Oscars, etc.

5 upvotes
driftnomore
By driftnomore (3 months ago)

..........deserving !

2 upvotes
Altruisto
By Altruisto (3 months ago)

So thankful to live in such times with so many options. There'll always be new innovations, so don't jump in all bandwagons :)

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