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American Society of Media Photographers warns about new Facebook T&Cs

By dpreview staff on Sep 8, 2013 at 12:00 GMT

Another day, another controversial change to Facebook's terms of service - this time, Facebook is planning to update its (very) smallprint in a way that some commentators worry greatly increase the company's power to exploit users' content and identities.

The American Society of Media Photographers has warned its members to 'beware' Facebook's proposed new terms of service, which - it claims - would allow the social media giant to 'exploit your name, likeness, content, images, private information, and personal brand by using it in advertising and in commercial and sponsored content - without any compensation to you'.

In a blog post structured as a question and answer format, the A.S.M.P. dissects Facebook's new proposed terms of service, explaining what the company has changed, what it might mean for photographers, and what concerned individuals can do to combat the changes.

Facebook's proposed terms of service are available to view online here.

The depressing answer is that if the changes are made official, there's nothing users can do directly, since according to the A.S.M.P. 'Facebook has specifically removed the language from their TOS that allows you to limit how your likeness, information, and content are associated with brands, commercial uses, or sponsored posts. They have also removed the clause that makes them subject to the privacy limits set in place by you on your profile.'

The A.S.M.P. suggests that members 'become informed', 'spread the word', and 'call for action' from other professional organizations with whom they work to 'ensure fair and respectful treatment of users by online services like Facebook and Instagram.'

Have you read Facebook's new proposed terms of service? Do you care? Did you even know about the changes being proposed? Let us know in the comments. 

Source: A.S.M.P

Comments

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (7 months ago)

Facebook !!! isn't it the place where people have other peoples identities, where you can poke dead people and can post your holiday photos from places you have never visited before ??

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BRPWS
By BRPWS (7 months ago)

Thanks for the information. I am deleting content today and closing my accounts.

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Petrogel
By Petrogel (7 months ago)

No you can use a my name let's say Petro Papatotalloss Shipowner, create some more accounts (fake of-course ) and fill them with photos from the internet that look like yours, be careful open a new email for every account.
Fakebook is the correct pronunciation !!!!

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Holger Drallmeyer
By Holger Drallmeyer (7 months ago)

Deleted important content last night.

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Mike921
By Mike921 (7 months ago)

Appreciate the heads-up, deleting content today.

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Rockaw
By Rockaw (7 months ago)

We would all be better off not using Facebook and not using any google products (including android, search, gmail, etc). The old response of "I'm not worried about them indexing my content because I've got nothing to hide" is just a bit naive these days.

They're admitting that they don't just track you in Facebook, they track you EVERYWHERE online and even steal your phone number when you've tried to keep it private. All so they can profit from your personal information.

Not for me, thanks.

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_sem_
By _sem_ (7 months ago)

I was upset by facebook sending me a change of policy eventhough I've never made a FB account. But it looks like they spy on me anyway.

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theoschela
By theoschela (7 months ago)

Facebook is Free. Because of that clever idea - the masses joined. 600+ million users casually giving up privacy and information because it connected friends.

I think I read that the new terms still respect our privacy settings but whatever is set to 'Public' - its fair game for FB to use...

I made a FB Page and has the effort and promotion paid off?
Undecided. FB Pages are 'Public' with no privacy settings.

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solarider
By solarider (7 months ago)

Useful to read "Q: Can’t I Protect Myself By Making My Profile Private?" http://asmp.org/fb-tos#.UioaJ2RgZN2

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (7 months ago)

I understand that ASMP is trying to do good here, but as a former ASMP member I am sick to death of them constantly crying about the terms of service for FREE social networking sites.

C'mon. Everyone with half a brain knows that the user of these sites is the COMMODITY not the customer. Facebook doesn't give a crap about their users other than as a means to make MONEY. That is why these things exist.

Instead of ASMP flailing their arms crying and warning about the evils of facebook and their horrible terms of service why doesn't ASMP do something constructive like write an article on how to use facebook as a marketing tool without compromising your content?

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marike6
By marike6 (7 months ago)

The fact that FB is FREE has nothing at all to do with anything. Flickr is free too, they don't take ownership of your images.

That you equate the ASMP giving a heads-up to photographers about FB to "flailing their arms crying" really tells all you need to know about the your own bias here.

ASMP is doing plenty constructive, but apparently you want them to figure a way for YOU to still use FB without compromising your images.

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agentul
By agentul (7 months ago)

"Everyone with half a brain knows that the user of these sites is the COMMODITY not the customer"

you probably have a lot of very smart and informed friends and relatives. usually people call you paranoid if you try to tell them what facebook and google are actually doing on the internet.

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marike6
By marike6 (7 months ago)

So it's the ASMP trying to inform users that's the problem and not FB? Bizarre twist of logic.

Perhaps the American Medical Society should stop "flailing their arms and crying" about how cigarettes cause cancer, and do something constructive by writing an article about how customers can smoke without getting cancer.

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (7 months ago)

Don't use Facebook....ever. Why anyone would waste their life spilling their thoughts, lives and pictures on Facebook is a mystery to me.

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pako
By pako (7 months ago)

"Why anyone would waste their life spilling their thoughts, lives and pictures "
Well, is what you are doing here...

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InTheMist
By InTheMist (7 months ago)

LOL, says the guy with over 12,000 DPR messages.

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carlos roncatti
By carlos roncatti (7 months ago)

to those talking about the OP, dpreview has nothing to do with FB, FB is a place where people complaint about their personal lives, about boy/girlfriends, about the weather and talk about some of the most annoying things on earth, here we talk about photography, at least we should :)

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JakeB
By JakeB (7 months ago)

You have almost THIRTEEN THOUSAND posts to this website.

YOU are wasting your life, buddy.

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pako
By pako (7 months ago)

@carlos roncatti you can talk photography on Facebook also. you can talk whatever you want. you master your cyber-life

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (7 months ago)

This is just part of the larger trend to grab all rights to your digital media for free. Just look at the terms of the average "photo contest" now. They usually own your work and may re-assign it for profit just for you sending a submission.

If Facecrook isn't working for you then get off of it. It never has been a photo oriented site.

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Oly E10
By Oly E10 (7 months ago)

Yet another reason for me to resist the Facebook come-on.
I shall just have to remain oblivious to so much that is going on
in my friends circles, such as, ironing done, now eating breakfast etc.
Come on don't people have more to do with their lives, like typing
messages as to why they don't do Facebook. :-)
Yep Facebook, not interested, hope I never will be.

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Westkip
By Westkip (7 months ago)

You answered your own question Oly. Of course these lightweights have nothing more to do. That IS their life!

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guyfawkes
By guyfawkes (7 months ago)

I've voted with my feet and closed my facebook account. I know it won't make any difference to facebook, but I'm not bothered by that. I feel better for it, and that is all that counts.

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Paul Guba
By Paul Guba (7 months ago)

Over a billion users and I don't think they will all just leave. The sheer amount of numbers will have an affect on you wether you want it to or not. You will be giving up more and more of your privacy.

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Joe Mayer
By Joe Mayer (7 months ago)

Personally I am not FB's biggest fan but it has it's plusses. One the plus side, it has kept the twenty year old jokes that people think are new, along with cutesy pics out of my inbox due to mass mailings between friends. FB has become a necessary evil as again, others have mentioned, few check email any longer and I get virtually instant replies from FB. People have become addicted to it and it's on their tablets and phones beeping at them at all times. From the point of view of business, you have to go where your customers reside, even if it's on FB. Personally, I'm not the biggest fan but it does help me keep in touch because my friends and family are all there, business wise I have to do it. Finally, one of the reasons I'm not happy with FB is the continual changes in privacy policy which is what this article is about. I'm not sure what to do now with my FB page. I have to leave it there and FB knows it. They have hold of me and know it.

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Joe Ogiba
By Joe Ogiba (7 months ago)

Facebook is an app made for women who are social creatures so I don't see why you would load photos on there that you don't want to share . I have yet to hear any of my male relatives say to me " did you see the photos I posted on Facebook " . On my Flickr, youtube and Vimeo pages I set my photos and videos to private or unlisted it I don't want them to be public.

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photoramone
By photoramone (7 months ago)

I had a heck of a time getting off of FACEBOOK. And I'm embarressed that I was ever there. I have discovered that people that don't like me or how I think, don't like me, or how I think, in snail mail, or email or any OTHER form of on line social networking. Going on line and hoping to find love and kindness is the greatest form of DELUSION. I have suspected, all of my life, that I wasn't what very many people would like. and now in my OLD-AGE, I'm gettin jiggy with it...Leave F.B. if it's lewd and distasteful to you. RJM

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cjcampbell
By cjcampbell (7 months ago)

Social media is destroying itself. All you see are friendship tests, invites to play boring games, and insulting messages that say that if you don't "Like" a picture of a dancing cat then you hate God, babies, and America.

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (7 months ago)

Yes. This made me laugh.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (7 months ago)

Worse than that, why isn't there a thumbs down?

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EvokeEmotion
By EvokeEmotion (7 months ago)

No thumbs down on DPReview either. I don't see sites with thumbs down these days anymore. Guess it hurts feelings and people stop coming back when they associate a site with negativity.

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phipop
By phipop (7 months ago)

my site as a kind of thumb down...(and no thumb up by the way)
on the left size down.
http://www.phipop.com
thank you

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GrahamSeventy1
By GrahamSeventy1 (7 months ago)

The only photo I'v uploaded to facebook is the same avatar im using here !

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nightshadow1
By nightshadow1 (7 months ago)

how about an analysis of Google's and G+ terms. They were caught reading private emails from user accounts, so how about an easy to understand terms of service for them?

Thanks...

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D1N0
By D1N0 (7 months ago)

How about staying on topic? Thanks...

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Rambalac
By Rambalac (7 months ago)

It's impossible to make email service which is not reading your emails. It cannot filter spam, sort, search. Actually it will not be able even understand whose is that email without reading it

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toomanycanons
By toomanycanons (7 months ago)

Delete your Facebook account. Simple.

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WACONimages
By WACONimages (7 months ago)

That seems simple, but it isn't. If I mail someone, I hardly get any answer nowadays. If I make contact with that same person on FB I got an answer in minutes most of the time. Both private and business related.

I tried to avoid FB as much as I could, but I need it for my business as a photographer. As much I dislike it FB has to much control and they know it...

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Fredy Ross
By Fredy Ross (7 months ago)

what do you suggest instead as my family live on the other side of the world.

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mcshan
By mcshan (7 months ago)

Fredy, Email, snailmail and the telephone work great. Somehow we got by with the second two for decades.

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drummercam
By drummercam (7 months ago)

I think it's time Facebook should be given the St. Loius Toodle-oo.

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carlos roncatti
By carlos roncatti (7 months ago)

already did...

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dct_dct
By dct_dct (7 months ago)

My family is also far away but we communicate since decades with email and links to my dedicated photo site (no "social" stuff there :D ). Sometime we do some skype chat with or without video.
Where is the added value of sly networks like FB, G+ and similar?

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what_i_saw
By what_i_saw (7 months ago)

Deleted already.

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Joe Mayer
By Joe Mayer (7 months ago)

From a business point of view, I have little choice. I started a FB page years ago at the request of a past bride. She wanted to show others my business services but could not find me on FB. Naturally I advertise well and do have a website. For many, that's the "old" way of doing things and they live their lives on FB. If it's not on FB, it doesn't exist for some people. You have to have a presence in the forum in which your customers reside. FB doesn't need to be shut down, maybe just reigned in. We'll have to wait and see if there's an uproar and if they respond positively to it.

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Bassman2003
By Bassman2003 (7 months ago)

Sounds like we need to brand every image we put on Facebook. Make the watermark or logo enough that they will not want to use it for other purposes. Outside of that don't use it or don't publish anything that is important.

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (7 months ago)

Facebook suicide isn't that simple. They hound you afterwards. I've been there and still rely on it to find things out. But I stopped posting good photos long ago. From the start I plastered my copyright on everything making it useless to them.

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