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Adobe introduces cheaper Creative Cloud with Photoshop + Lightroom

By dpreview staff on Sep 4, 2013 at 22:03 GMT

Adobe has added a new pricing tier to the Creative Cloud product, possibly in response to the negative response from the photography community when it announced that all Creative Suite products would require a monthly subscription. The Photoshop Photography Program gives users Photoshop CC, Lightroom 5, Bridge CC, Behance, and 20GB of storage for $9.99 per month. That price will never change, as long as you sign up before the end of this year. 

In order to be eligible for this bundle, you must already own Photoshop CS3 or newer. Current Creative Cloud users who own individual apps will be able to upgrade to this package without issue, assuming that you meet the prior criteria. If you want to step down from a more expensive plan, Adobe says that you'll need to contact their Customer Service department and 'discuss transitioning to this new offer'.

Prior to Creative Cloud, a copy of Photoshop and Lightroom would've set you back around $400. This new package will set you back $120 per year, which seems like a good deal, considering how often Adobe updates their products.

The Photoshop Photography Program for Creative Suite will be launched on September 17th, alongside Lightroom 5.2. 

Let us know what you think about these changes in our comments section below.


Press release:

Introducing the Photoshop Photography Program

During today’s keynote at the Photoshop World conference in Las Vegas, Adobe is showcasing how photography workflows will evolve to take advantage of an increasingly connected world. This includes a tour of how easy it is today to use Creative Cloud to make your content and creations available anywhere, plus the power of Behance to showcase work. We also highlight some of the exciting new technologies that we’re working on for Photoshop CC and Lightroom; our roadmap for making our photography products even more connected; and a peek at how we’re planning to bring advanced Adobe digital imaging technology to mobile devices. You’ll see these products and services become available in the not too distant future.

If you missed the keynote, you can watch the replay here, which should be posted within about 24 hours. Throughout this week at Photoshop World, we’re demoing some great digital imaging innovation and I hope you’re as excited as we are about what’s available today and what’s coming soon, thanks to our talented teams of engineers.

Since introducing Photoshop CC, we’ve listened to feedback from a spectrum of our customers, from advanced professionals to casual enthusiasts. One common request was a solution specifically tailored for photographers. We listened, and at Photoshop World we’re announcing a special offer for our loyal Photoshop customers. Beginning today, customers who own Photoshop CS3 or higher are eligible for a special Creative Cloud membership offer that includes all of the following for just $9.99/month:

  • Photoshop CC
  • Lightroom 5
  • 20 GB of online storage
  • Behance ProSite
  • Access to Creative Cloud Learn’s training resources
  • Ongoing upgrades and updates

To be clear, $9.99 is not an introductory price. It is the price for those of you who sign up by December 31, 2013. This offer will be available at the same time we introduce the new version of Lightroom 5.2 in a couple weeks.  Visit the FAQ to learn more and follow Photoshop on Facebook, Twitter and Google+ to find out when the offer goes live.

All of us on the Photoshop team look forward to continuing to build on our 20+ year relationship with our loyal community.

Via: Engadget, Source: Adobe

Comments

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Ken Aisin
By Ken Aisin (7 months ago)

I wouldn't even bite even if they offered a free subscription. Listen Adobe, I want to own my tools. I don't like to rent my tools.

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cas3
By cas3 (7 months ago)

I wish Adobe had more detailed information on their website about the specifics of this offer. With CS 5.1 they allowed 2 installs total which had to be on the same platform (Win or Mac). They allowed me to switch platforms once but it was not an easy proccess. Hopefully this new cloud option would be less restrictive. The price is good and if you find you dont like it or if they raise the price then you haven't lost much money and there are plenty of alternatives to move on to.

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gavin
By gavin (7 months ago)

I mainly use lightroom and upgrade yearly so thats $80 I think. I do have CS3 and CS5 but I just don't use PS that much so for $40 I get updated version vs buying upgrade every 2-3 years for $120. Its about the same for me then on average. I did not consider CC before since I don't need all that stuff and its way too much. I can handle $10/month.

This is of course a great deal for Adobe as they get annuities.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

Ultimately, if it worked in your favour instead of theirs why on Earth do you think Adobe would be offering it?

4 upvotes
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

I'm curious about something. Is the price discrepancy on Adobe products due to taxes (VAT) or does Adobe charge more in Europe/UK/Australia because they think they can get more--and then taxes go on top of that?

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

We live in Australia where Adobe has blatantly committed photophilia on us for years!

USA pays USD$1500 for the CS6 Suite. I was quoted between AUD$3400 to $3800! (Our dollar at the time was above parity at about 104cents)

Australia is blocked from purchasing these products from open competitive market sectors! We are not the only Country held to ransom!

Just listen to the CEO speaking on this subject then tell us you still feel the same way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

Kind Regards, .... Barry M. Australia

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Sordid
By Sordid (7 months ago)

What do you mean with "photophilia"?
The Greek appendix "philos" means the love towards something, so photophilia is the love for photos or, more precise in that case, the love for light.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

As with "necrophilia" it can also mean something other than love, and that is clearly what he is getting at.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Hi Sordid, I couldn't find a word suitable to describe the Adobe CEO So It's the worst word I could make up on the spot: Rational;

Pedophile is a Disgusting parasitic low life; Therefore
Photophile carries the same inference of disgust by my logic?

Photophilia then becomes the act of rape upon us.

Yes I did understand the Greek origins, however, I'm implying the "disgust" reaction towards Pedophiles here.

I guess in a similar vane, we often use the term Pig to describe someone, however, I have known a few little piggies and they can be quite delightful.

It's a class of people we don't need on this plannet.

Yup! GaryJP you got it, I couldn't call him a pedophile but he is just as repulsive and evil!

Kind Regards, ... Barry M Australia

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Keith Reeder
By Keith Reeder (7 months ago)

"We live in Australia where Adobe has blatantly committed photophilia on us for years!"

Yeah, I think you mentioned that.

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Stollen1234
By Stollen1234 (7 months ago)

is the price $9.99 available right now for cs3(or newer) owner?

could you please send the link to the price plan

thank you

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GradyBeachum
By GradyBeachum (7 months ago)

A reminder to EVERYONE, you DO NOT OWN the software you use, unless you wrote it or purchased the intellectual assets of the company that created it or live under the delusion that you are the center of everything.

If you don't like the subscription model to lease the license, go somewhere else.

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dsjtecserv
By dsjtecserv (7 months ago)

But under a perpetual licensing arrangement, which is how Adobe software was previously sold, you DO own a license which permits you to use that software in perpetuity. That license is an asset that can be transferred, bought and sold. The rental model, which is the only one Adobe now offers, affords you none of that -- you only use the software as long as you keep paying for it, and you have no equity in the license. That's an unavoidable, fundamental difference, and it cannot be glossed over.

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howardroark
By howardroark (7 months ago)

Thank you for your extremely condescending and dismissive post. Just a reminded, YOU aren't the center of EVERYTHING either....oh, and using caps is considered yelling and/or rude on the internets machine there, gramps. Why, in your day if you wanted to buy software you had to drive down the street....in ten feet of snow...uphill....barefoot.....and buy a 3.5" floppy disk that came in a cardboard box and then put that disk manually into your computer's disk drive and install the program 1.44MB at a time.
We will go somewhere else. I'm pretty sure that's what we're saying. Have you read all the posts saying "hey, Adobe, we're going somewhere else"? Okay, we're clear.

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John A Clark
By John A Clark (7 months ago)

"That license is an asset that can be transferred, bought and sold"

NOT True - it depends on whether or not the licence allows resale, and it probably does not.

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Keith Reeder
By Keith Reeder (7 months ago)

"Thank you for your extremely condescending and dismissive post. Just a reminder, YOU aren't the center of EVERYTHING either"

Don't be such a whiny Prima Donna, Howard - not only is he right, but the point needed to be restated, and it WAS NOT condescending or dismissive. I think your hormones are getting in the way of your rationality.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

Actually he is not even close to universally right. Tons of software you truly own, only a few annoying softwares stick in this or that into the contract and even with Adobe you are allowed to resell it and transfer license.

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davinci953
By davinci953 (7 months ago)

It's no surprise that Adobe wants to push the subscription software model. I worked for a software company that went down this path a number of years ago, and at the time offered a lot of the same reasons that Adobe is giving now to entice customers to bite the fruit. Subscription models are one of the best revenue generators for software companies. As one of the senior VPs described it, "It's the gift that keeps on giving."

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dual12
By dual12 (7 months ago)

"It's the gift that keeps on giving."

Not if you go bankrupt.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

Actually it's the GIVER that keeps on giving, and I have no intention of being that giver.

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Gary Anderson
By Gary Anderson (7 months ago)

If you go bankrupt because the software costs $10 a month it aint the cost of software that's the problem.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

Sure. It may be that consumers resist the business model you are imposing on them.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

We will just keep using our older versions.

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jl_smith
By jl_smith (7 months ago)

Photoshop and LR for $400? What are we smoking here people? Or are you quoting education discounts ? (which, to Adobe's credit, are freaking awesome)

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Sordid
By Sordid (7 months ago)

That's true.
While I do understand many people disagree with Adobe's move, some are using extremely false numbers to strengthen their point.
Currently, PS and LR are around 720 US$ which equals to exactly six years subscription to this offer.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (7 months ago)

This offer requires you own a full license already. There for it is only comparable to upgrade pricing

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Carlos C
By Carlos C (7 months ago)

Update:
I just chatted with and Adobe sales person...you can still buy CS6, but seems for not too much longer...see parts of the chat below:

Thank you for contacting Adobe Sales. My name is Phillip. How may I help you today?
Phillip: Hi, may I have your first name please?
you: can i still buy CS6 outright?
Carlos : Carlos
Carlos : is my first name
Phillip: Hello Carlos,
Phillip: Sure, let me help you with the information.
Phillip: You can buy CS6 outright, however, let me inform you that Carlos
Phillip: Going forward customers using Adobe products have to upgrade every year, this will soon become mandatory. This runs up to the same price as to the Cloud membership. Its the smartest decision to invest in Creative Cloud in the longer run.
Phillip: All of our customers are moving to Cloud as it is the new offering from Adobe. They have liked what Cloud can do and hence are subscribing to Cloud.

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dual12
By dual12 (7 months ago)

"All of our customers are moving to Cloud as it is the new offering from Adobe. They have liked what Cloud can do and hence are subscribing to Cloud."

Philip lied. Many of Adobe's customers are no longer Adobe customers.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Yep, he lied. Lots of that going around at Adobe it seems, and denial as well.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

Hah they have liked what the cloud can do? Pray tell us what the cloud has done? It is not one bit different with this ADobe software at this moment than before the magical cloud (which used to be called distributed computing before some magical MBA droids decided to play games).

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boinkphoto
By boinkphoto (7 months ago)

It's probably a good guess his name isn't Phillip either.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (7 months ago)

@Boinkphoto
I agree, the last time I checked, Phillips is not a popular name in India.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

So wait, if I am using CS4 how are they going to make me upgrade? If they can, by the time it stops working, there will probably be something else we can use.

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Carlos C
By Carlos C (7 months ago)

Looks like you can no longer buy PS CS6 from the site. Is this correct?

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Model Mike
By Model Mike (7 months ago)

No, that's not correct. You can buy or upgrade to CS6 just as you could before. The only difference is that you have to look harder. Type 'Creative Suite' in the Adobe search box and you'll find all the info. A CS6 upgraded from CS5 still costs £188.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Give children free candy (only 9.99) and they will worship you. It's an old trick used on the average person for centuries upon centuries to keep control over them and certain people in power. If you don't use your head, you're owned.

6 upvotes
Sordid
By Sordid (7 months ago)

It's really cute how in pretty much each and every of your comments you are saying that those who don't share your point of view are morons.
That's a poor way to discuss things and bad style.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

I never said people were morons, those are your words. And your assumption. But I'm to defend myself now because you accuse me of something?

I'm not a moron.

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Pogo333
By Pogo333 (7 months ago)

The cost of Stubbornness: This change is being billed "Adobe listened to Photographers" This is baloney. We asked for a path to ownership, not a cheaper hook. It also raises more questions than it solves. So what is the status of LR now? We were told that LR would not be part of CC, there would be a version there, but it would always be a stand along product. Now it appears to be a permanent part of CC. What happens if one does not sign up for this option? Second, what is Adobe's commitment to keeping the monthly surcharge at $9.99? They are very vague about this, saying that it is not an introductory price, but what will the future cost? Third, if one reads the other comments at Adobe's FAQ page, it appears that Adobe is selling their products to some groups, so why beat up on this community? Last. Do we trust Adobe?

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Model Mike
By Model Mike (7 months ago)

> We were told that LR would not be part of CC
> there would be a version there, but it would
> always be a stand along product

More ill researched Adobe paranoia. Adobe said that LR would continue to be available as a standalone product. That doesn't mean that it couldn't be offered as part of a CC bundle, indeed it has been for several months. At least you have the choice.

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SayCheesePlease
By SayCheesePlease (7 months ago)

I recently lived in Taiwan but had a north American credit card. I wanted to buy a PS upgrade on line.Adobe north America wouldn't accept my credit card because I was out of the "region " .(it was the same credit card that bought the original PS copy) Then I tried going through the Taiwan adobe site, they wouldn't accept my credit card because it was out of their " region" . I tried phoning adobe explaining the issue and they said sorry but company policy and couldn't help.Adobe doesn't sell CD copies of PS most other parts of the world.

This is true. My credit card had no balance and I have an excellent credit rating. For years my conscience wouldn't let me use cracked PS copies.
Now it does.

I just don't understand adobe's thinking. Refuse customers money? Charge different rates for different areas? They are shooting themselves in the foot. Too selfish. Too stupid. I don't use the word idiots often, but it applies in this case.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

I agree about the Adobe paranoia. And the $9.99 deal makes this pretty obvious.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Hello Pogo333
Your answer is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

I looked at this with mixed feelings:
Sick & Anger!

Barry M Australia

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

I don't like putting my creative work in a shared space. I will continue to use my older version as long as I can. Then, like many others, I will be looking for alternatives. This situation should motivate development.

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LarH
By LarH (7 months ago)

Its still extortion money, pay us every month or your business suffers. Just like organised crime.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Hello LarH, .....
Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen repeatedly dodges a question directly asked about Adobe's huge price discrepancies for software in Australia compared to other parts of the world.

Check out the CEO Low-Life, this will sicken you!
Spread this link!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (7 months ago)

7726 views! this needs to be seen by anybody who uses ADBE products... they need to understand what kind of state of mind is behind this. A man who has no shame, what a d bag!

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JordanAT
By JordanAT (7 months ago)

It's no different than changing the file format for the new versions of software so they're incompatible (excuse me, improved) with the old software. AutoDesk does it every three years, like clockwork. You can pay $1200/yr/seat or you can pony up $4500-$5000 upgrade (plus $1200 for the first year of maintenance!) to upgrade at a future date.

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KAllen
By KAllen (7 months ago)

Well if in the UK it comes out anywhere near $10. I would buy in, although I don't use Lightroom and will never trust Adobe with my Library.
Of course it will be nowhere near $10. here so academic in reality.
I wonder if the damage has been done, who has looked around for PS alternative and found something much cheaper that does all they could ever want?
If you have why would you want to subscribe to PSCC at any price?

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ianm2k4
By ianm2k4 (7 months ago)

Why not buy it off the US site then?

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KAllen
By KAllen (7 months ago)

Do you not think they have already thought of that?
If you could buy it off the US site no other sites in the World would exist.
If I could buy off the US site I and many others would of saved ourselves a small fortune already.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

This is why you can,t buy from the US site:

Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen repeatedly dodges a question directly asked about Adobe's huge price discrepancies for software in Australia compared to other parts of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

We are being held to ransom by this Vermin!

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Photographerfromindia
By Photographerfromindia (7 months ago)

I don't know but might these alternatives are useful : http://thedesignblitz.com/best-adobe-creative-cloud-alternatives/

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

Trust Adobe with your file library? Yikes! No way!That would have to be true with Lightroom. Forget it.

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acidic
By acidic (7 months ago)

"This new package will set you back $120 per year, which seems like a good deal, considering how often Adobe updates their products."

Adobe will have far less incentive to update their products frequently once everyone is on subscription.

Additionally, many like myself, did not upgrade to each and every new version. For the most part, I was perfectly happy skipping versions of Photoshop and upgrading to every other version.

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Yorkshireman
By Yorkshireman (7 months ago)

I think Adobe will have zero incentive to update PS and LR, other than to adapt ACR to the latest camera models.
Adobe's strategy is essentially admitting that it has a mature product (PS) and has run out of good ideas which will provide a compelling case for buying the next version. There are plenty of examples of once great firms which failed to innovate and ended up in insolvency. I wonder when Adobe will join them?

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

The REASON for the subscription model is that the software is mature and new updates can only be small increments. I think you are missing the point of the strategy.

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acidic
By acidic (7 months ago)

"Prior to Creative Cloud, a copy of Photoshop and Lightroom would've set you back around $400."

Ummmm..................................

No.

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (7 months ago)

Again the offer is only made to license holders and thus comparable to upgrade pricing

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

I'm sure I can't live without it, but what's "Behance"? Is that the cute singer/actress? I understand Adobe for the Enterprise is for use in outer space but what is Behance?

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

Do some research...if you want a website it is pretty cool....

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

Who needs a website? So many free, excellent alternatives.

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BelePhotography
By BelePhotography (7 months ago)

Most of all it's the price in the US - other countries pay a massive premium. Regardless of which language version they use. Until the cloud is truly global, I'm out.

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

Yes, I have computed the premium we have to pay in Switzerland and it cost us 37% more for each CC offer and that is after taking the VAT off and at the may 2013 changing rate and getting an English version, German version or French version, the price remains the same.
Now that everything is virtual, you have to wonder how they can justify such an exaggerated difference : 5-10% for change variation could be understandable, but never as much as almost 40%.
Phase One is th only fair company !

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Here is your long term answer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

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digitalLarry
By digitalLarry (7 months ago)

I think $9.99 a month is a fantastic deal for a couple of fantastic applications. It is truly a good deal, and wish more folks would embrace it, rather than fight it. I am thankful Adobe came up with this pricing scheme, because now I know I will have the latest software for my photography at a price most people can afford, especially me. It costs $15 to $18 dollars a month just to watch HBO, so $9.99 is great!

I just wish they had come up with this plan before I purchased the Lightroom 5 upgrade though. :)

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howardroark
By howardroark (7 months ago)

HBO can be easily missed when you have the ability to rent movies at your convenience from ten different sources at the drop of a hat. I really enjoy having the freedom to pursue my interest in photography. Let me explain how some of us feel this way: one day when you suddenly run out of money and you chose to rent your clothes by the month, you're going to wish they'd stuck with the old perpetual license model. We do feel like we're being given the option of going elsewhere or being stripped naked and being forced to pay every month for the honor of wearing clothes. Elsewhere it is.

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fuego6
By fuego6 (7 months ago)

It's like Tivo's monthly subscription... you can pay a lifetime $399 up front when you buy a new TIVO... but that's an awful lot of money to pay when you are spending $200+ on the hardware.. so most do a month-to-month subscription for the guide updates at $12.99 a month. That's $156 a year... so after 2+ years - you are breaking even. With this sub - you are free to leave anytime if / when something else catches your eye without having invested $400+ in the 2 products up front... sure - you dont' own the software.. but then again, you haven't paid $400 either... you are just out that months $9.99... so, I don't know... its good and bad to me.

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dual12
By dual12 (7 months ago)

HBO isn't worth 10 cents per month to me.

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Stefanie
By Stefanie (7 months ago)

It's not about the price. I work with Photoshop since 13+ years and had a few master suites registered until this year.
But I will never rent software! Which made me jump ship, the only thing that is left in our shop is Photoshop CS6, the rest has been replaced, hello Autodesk, hello Foundry. More expensive than the suites, but these companies provide something called service and they don't play games on their clients that have spent literally tens of thousands of dollars in the past years.
Adobe has become a no go for me. And for a lot of other professional users I know.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Check this out Stefanie, .... I felt sick just listening to him. What a horrible individual, absolutely repulsive!

Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen repeatedly dodges a question directly asked about Adobe's huge price discrepancies for software in Australia compared to other parts of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

We are being held to ransom by this Vermin!

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RossN
By RossN (7 months ago)

It's a good effort, yet very poorly executed. Adobe puts together a better (not great) offer to lure back users, but then limit the fanfare to a restricted set of users and don't commit to fixed pricing. It appears Adobe is going to play games with potential customers, ratcheting price back little by little, until they find the exact sweet spot where they can extract the most $.

It's pretty bad when they don't invite owners of prior CS suites (i.e. customers who spent more money with Adobe than those with PS, alone) to participate. This comes across as being more interested in earning a buck up front, than building a customer base.

Talk about souring a relationship with the customer. I'm sure there are a lot of potential customers they just excluded, such as me.

"This offer is available to customers who own a previous commercial version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later (CS3.x, CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Suites and volume licenses do not qualify."

Trust is gone.

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onlooker
By onlooker (7 months ago)

"Suites and volume licenses do not qualify"

This is what gored me in the past (see my previous post). Adobe does not respect customers.

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

Are you expecting to get the suites and volume licenses for $9.99?

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onlooker
By onlooker (7 months ago)

Walter, you do not understand. If you have Photoshop you bought as part of a suite, even if you just want to upgrade the Photoshop to the CC, you CAN"T. Not the suite, just the Photoshop. It was the same story with the regular packages.

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SASand
By SASand (7 months ago)

No, what I would expect is that I could continue to use my CS6 suite applications and that I could get Photoshop CC and LR5. That might be a good deal, even though I have already bought the standalone version of LR5. But eliminating suite owners from the offer for Photoshop and LR just adds to distrust that I now have for Adobe.

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

Have you clarified this with Adobe? I would have thought they would let you have the CC Photoshop but not the whole Suite?

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onlooker
By onlooker (7 months ago)

Walter, I've been through it with Adobe in the past, see my earlier post. I paid full retail for a suite, then, despite the fact that I used to have Photoshop versions since 4 until I purchased the suite, when I wanted to upgrade just Photoshop, I was told "no", upgrade the whole suite or pay full retail for Photoshop. I just don't trust them anymore.

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RossN
By RossN (7 months ago)

Walter, what is in quotes (above) comes from Adobe's FAQ, which says -- you are not eligible for the promotion if you were a CS Suite owner.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

Once you trapped in a suite they never let you out, you can't trade in a suite even for just a single program within it. They often try to keep only suites in stock at student stores and price them almost the same as stand alone products to get people trapped.

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Photowyzard
By Photowyzard (7 months ago)

It constantly boggles my mind why ANYONE would buy into this ridiculous Scheme of Adobe's to empty your wallet. Stop sending them money!

I have CS5 and CS6 and that is it for me. Not another penny to these morons. If you stop sending them your money and just wait, how long do you think before they go back to selling software again?

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (7 months ago)

I have just read the FAQ's and only owners of a single photoshop program from CS3 onwards qualify. if you own one of the creative suites you do not qualify!

What a crock. These people seem to go out of their way to antagonize their customers. So I own CS4 creative suite pro and CS5.5 creative suite standard. Plus every version of Lightroom since the beginning total cost of all fo this was almost $3k and if I now decide to only use photoshop and Lightroom I do not qualify.

This is even more annoying and an insult than the original proposal to license everything!

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Gi Day Charlie, If you would like to see the CEO of Adobe in full flight arrogance, you have to look at this and please pass it on to as many as you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

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onlooker
By onlooker (7 months ago)

Hi Charlie, this is nothing new. After Photoshop 6 instead of upgrading Photoshop I bought one of the US $2K CS5 suites - retail, full price (with Photoshop extended in it) because I needed some additional tools for a job, and then wanted to upgrade just the Photoshop alone as I no longer needed the other tools. Adobe told me that I either upgrade the whole suite or buy Photoshop retail all over again. And I was Adobe's customer for a good 15 years since Photoshop 4. That's what I meant by arrogance in a previous post. Disdain for customer. Until most of the current Adobe executives go, I don't think I will trust them.

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

I've used Photoshop since version 3 (aka since the mid nineties). In 2000 I went from PS for Window to PS for Mac; it costed me the price of an upgrade. But then after four years I wanted t go back to windows .. And there was no way of getting an upgrade. I had to ay for a whole license again, just because I wanted to return to my previous OS. Answer was that you are only allowed to switch OS once.

And I updated from CS5 to CS6 just a few mnths before they introduced CC.. So I really feel that I have thrown money through the window. I'm fed up.. And exploring other possibilities, like DXO and Capture One plus Iview Media Pro.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Q? Who do you know that has 4 Mouths and 0 Ears?

A/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

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onlooker
By onlooker (7 months ago)

It's not the question of price for me. $9.99 is fine per month. Problems are two:

1. There must be a clause grandfathering the software in after 3 years of use
2. Adobe's and their executives' arrogance

The first one Adobe might remedy. The second will be difficult to overcome.

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Wayne B.
By Wayne B. (7 months ago)

Can anyone describe what effect that the CC announcement back in - what was it, May? - actually had on Adobe? Their stock doesn't seem to have suffered much. In what other ways can the effect on their business be objectively measured?

Thanks.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

See below, net revenue for this first half is only 34% of what it had been for the first half of the year before.

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Mike Sandman
By Mike Sandman (7 months ago)

The barrier that inhibits companies like Adobe (and Microsoft) from switching to a subscription model is that in the short term, revenue and profit drop. Adobe bit the bullet, but they started at too high a price for people who are primarily photographers. To be fair, the CC subscription offers a huge package of products, and if you regularly use even a few of them, the annual fee is not such a horrible deal. But if you only use Photoshop, well, the original deal was way overpriced.

Now they've retreated to a price/package for photographers, and I'm surprised at all the negative comment. If they'd done this in the first place, many of the critics would have applauded.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

I take your comments on board Mike, However, We live in Australia where Adobe has blatantly committed photophilia on us for years.
USA pays USD$1500 for the CS6 Suite. I was quoted between AUD$3400 to $3800! (Our dollar at the time was above parity at about 104cents)

Australia is blocked from purchasing these products from open competitive market sectors! We are not the only Country held to ransom!

Just listen to the CEO speaking on this subject then tell us you still feel the same way?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

Kind Regards, .... Barry M. Australia

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

"I take your comments on board Mike, However, We live in Australia where Adobe has blatantly committed photophilia on us for years. USA pays USD$1500 for the CS6 Suite. I was quoted between AUD$3400 to $3800! (Our dollar at the time was above parity at about 104cents)"

While the price difference is ridiculous what is much more ridiculous is for you to complain about the price of a product that no one is forcing you to buy, and to also compare it to prices in America.

It's their products and they can sell them for whatever they like. Don't like the price? Then don't buy it!

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Easy to say that when you.....can buy it for much less.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

You can't trust Adobe. Ever. We know that now.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

I don't understand why they don't simply offer a purchase and subscription option.

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thx1138
By thx1138 (7 months ago)

If they claim this is such a good deal, they should also make a standalone purchase with pricing based on the average upgrade time of the product. If their stats show you will on average upgrade PS every 3 years, say, then price the standalone at 3 years of subscription. Sure sure people will say that's too simple, but it would give those totally opposed to renting software an option and keep at least some of those people abandoning Adobe altogether for which they then get no income and further bad word of mouth.

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The Scurvy Dog of PR
By The Scurvy Dog of PR (7 months ago)

Simply not good enough.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

I still think this could be resolved with three sentences: "Look, we made a mistake underestimating how much customers dislike paying every month. But to run our business we need steady income and that's the reason for the subscriptions. We know this won't suit everybody but ten bucks a month is our last, best offer".

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (7 months ago)

But the amount complaining is quite small.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

right quite small, which is why your CEO is dumping stock and profits are way down and on literally every single forum the complaints run about 97:3 against.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Shantanu Narayen is dispensing so much Gas, I'm surprised the UN haven't ordered a NATO strike on him. Waffle of Mass Deception!
What a disgusting individual, .... CEO of Adobe!, Now I understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

This will give you a clear picture as to who you are dealing with!

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

Check out Antonio Perez at Kodak, explaining how he will not accept responsibility for the problems he inherited. CEOs rock!

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

The UN can't order NATO to do anything.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

Holy cow wow he'd make most politicians proud! Good grief. Is he a robot that is stuck in a for loop about blabbing out "creative cloud creative cloud the future the future the value creative cloud creative cloud".

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Flying Fish
By Flying Fish (7 months ago)

I agree with "beep 'em." What about those of us who don't own any version of CS and want to start?

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David Hull
By David Hull (7 months ago)

Here is what I got back via FB when I tried to pin them down as to whether this was a temporary, introductory price or not:

Adobe Photoshop wrote: "This current offer of $9.99 for existing customers ends Dec 31st. There may be other offers in the future. As of right now, there are no plans to have this package available after Dec 31st."

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

well that clears things up

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

Well it is still not clear to me : how much will I have to pay after the 31th December if I do still want PS CS and LR etc. ? How much will it cost after that date aka in January 2014 and on ? Will the price stay at 9.9$ ?

And what does that mean for LR ? Will you have to subscribe to the CC and the monthly subscription sheme in order to get the updates ? Or will you still be able to buy it outside of the CC ? What about LR6 when it comes ?

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richardginn
By richardginn (7 months ago)

20 bucks for Photoshop in January 2014.

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rickpappas
By rickpappas (7 months ago)

According to Adobe the price certainly can change on the new Photoshop Photography program. I think $120.00 a year is a fair deal. But, after the original CC rollout debacle which P.O.'d just about every amatuer photog out there who uses the product, I too have lost a little trust. I contacted an Adobe agent via their webchat today and the end of the conversation is below: (too many words to post the entire thing here)

Sandra: The pricing will definitely not change for the current subscribed year. Looking at the market strategies there might be a change in price later though. We don’t have that information at the moment.
you: OK, I'm disappointed in that...I'll have to rethink this... I was excited to migrate, but don't want to be caught in an escalator of rising cost. I'll continue w/CS 6 for now. Thanks Sandra. Bye!

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Matthew Blumenthal
By Matthew Blumenthal (7 months ago)

Beep em. Still not good enough.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

Please DPR, lets be just a little bit realistic. We know you like to throw softballs, but this $10/month scheme isn't "possibly" because of the negative response to their previous plans. It is entirely because of the negative response to their previous plans. In fact, that's a story in itself--Adobe adjusts plans in response to consumer revolt.

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bmoag
By bmoag (7 months ago)

Legally you never own your commercial software you merely own a license to use it. The Adobe model is the wave of the present. High end games, image and video processing software are the only classes of software that still require installation on a local hard drive and the power of a local CPU/GPU, for reasonable processing speeds. All other software types can and increasingly are cloud and subscription based. This pricing model makes sense if Adobe adheres to it, but what are the chances of that? Just never lose you copy of CS6 or Lightroom . . .

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Yorkshireman
By Yorkshireman (7 months ago)

Adobe might like to think that US law applies throughout the whole world, but it does not. In some countries you certainly do own the software, not just a llicence.

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Earthlight
By Earthlight (7 months ago)

And the Euro price is...??? I am SO waiting to see it. Probably it will be the same old story...

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

Just don't be like some people from your part of the world that think prices there should be the same as in America.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Hi Earthlight, ... The link below is your direct and final answer from Adobe CEO on the matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

PS, ... We would all be very interested in your comments as it's a global concern.

I have sent the above Adobe CEO message to 100s of thousands already. When someone with 4 mouths and no ears makes such an arrogant statement, ... it travels far.

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (7 months ago)

Adobe has an almost monopoly at present but this subscription model
is not very comforting should adobe falter. Look at blackberry,
Nokia, nortel, Microsoft, Polaroid, Kodak, Motorola, All failed or starting to falter.
Adobe is profitable and has high market share thus the only way is
Down. Competitors will be already working hard to nibble away at this.

Just look at what has recently come to market from dxo and others
If adobe does not get this right they may have problems in the future.

Look at what Japan has done to the car industry.
Just wait till china or India decide to seriously go into this business.

As already mentioned here, photoshop ect are mature and it would be
Difficult to continue to generate sales through only incremental upgrades
So a subscription model may be the only choice for the moment .

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Reactive
By Reactive (7 months ago)

"Adobe is profitable"... but becoming much less so. Take a look at their 6-month results ending June last year, compared with this year. Their share price may be soaring due to anticipation of massive guaranteed profits... but it's not actually happening. Their profits are down significantly, probably due to the lacklustre response to CC (despite Adobe's normal hype) and no wave of cash from a new CS release. The reduced pricing is a desperate measure to stimulate new sales.

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Darrell500
By Darrell500 (7 months ago)

I have two problems, first YOU ARE STILL RENTING YOUR SOFTWARE which means you can spend thousands over ten years and still not have a piece of workable software when you miss your first payment!!!

Second ADOBE SAID LIGHTROOM WOULD REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR SALE, IS THIS THEIR WAY TO GO BACK ON WHAT THEY PREVIOUSLY HAVE SAID???

In all honesty the price is very fair if you are someone who tries to stay up to date with your software. I still don't like the concept of renting or any mandatory monthly debit from my account but at this price until someone develops a good alternative I'll probably bite.

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samhain
By samhain (7 months ago)

You think the sh*t has hit the fan now, wait till CS7 comes out and offers no noticeable improvements or upgrades.

Because hey- once they get everyone suckered into a contract/subscription, where's their incentive to go above and beyond? You'll pay for it no matter how good or bad it is. You no longer have a choice. I'd reccomend backing up CS6 on a seperate hard drive.

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Dan Tong
By Dan Tong (7 months ago)

This sounds much, much better than the previous deals, but I still prefer to buy an upgrade for <$ 185 which I can use for 3-4 years or more.

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samhain
By samhain (7 months ago)

Incase you haven't met him yet, Here's Adobe's CEO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

Sorry, but he doesn't have to answer questions as to why Adobe's products cost more in one country than it does in another. In a free market prices are solely determined by how much a particular market is willing to pay. The only area where it becomes questionable is where a company has a monoploy for a particular product or service. Adobe is not quite there when it comes to that, no matter what the market prefers.

It is ignorant, naive and ridiuclous to expect to have the same prices as other countries do. Yes, even when it comes to software.

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funnelwebmaster
By funnelwebmaster (7 months ago)

Indeed. Silly Aussies should have thought twice before building their country so far away from the rest of the world. Now, they must pay for their ignorant hubris!

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

@ Basalite

Please, explain me how it can be a free market if Adobe's US store is refusing my credt card and is segmenting the market ? If I can't buy where I want it is not a free market; it is an organized robbery.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Oops, someone just got smoked with logic.

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samhain
By samhain (7 months ago)

In april, the CEO of Adobe sold 225,000 of his shares of adobe. Yesterday he sold 50,000 shares.
Yeah... that really inspires confidence in creative cloud & the future of Adobe.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

CEOs that get much of their pay through shares are regularly selling their shares. They also have to do it with advanced notice. What you are suggesting is silly and there is no evidence for it.

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Reactive
By Reactive (7 months ago)

Except their profits are well down on last year, and now they've slashed the price of a prime CashCow offering. Mmmm, desperation?

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Down 66%.

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english_Wolf
By english_Wolf (7 months ago)

The pooch is dying....

Real trouble is that if one does not backup his or her files into a generic format one loses everything if for whatever reason the access is terminated.

So? USE GIMP!

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Model Mike
By Model Mike (7 months ago)

> USE GIMP!

You must be joking... of course...

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

GIMP is garbage. The closest you can get to Photoshop is Paint Shop Pro and that can be picked up for around $50. Paint Shop Pro makes GIMP look ridiculous. You get what you pay for.

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Bart Luyckx
By Bart Luyckx (7 months ago)

This would have got my attention a couple of months ago.

It looks like a sweet deal, but I am still waiting what this means in Euro's.
They haven't won me back, and the trust surely isn't back, but we'll see...

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

You're assuming it will be available outside of America. Not a safe assumption.

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TheFlyingman
By TheFlyingman (7 months ago)

The price is € 9,99/month. Still their idiotic exchange rates...

And I am certainly not going to buy this. Because I do not comply as I have CS6 Suite, not only PS. What marketing head came up with this rubbish?

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Jim Radcliffe
By Jim Radcliffe (7 months ago)

If the price was, in fact, $9.99 FOREVER... it might be worth considering. Otherwise the introductory price is just a hook and then you get hit with price increases on a yearly basis.... No Thanks, Adobe.

I've been using Photoshop for over 12 years, buying upgrades on a regular basis. No more. I will find another product to use when CS6 no longer can handle my needs.

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dgc4rter
By dgc4rter (7 months ago)

Thanks but No Thanks! Will happily stick with CS6 from now on. It does everything I want it to do with the range of plug-ins I have.

Worst mistake Adobe ever made.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (7 months ago)

how much in euro? 19,99 i guess......

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (7 months ago)

Probably and with that pricing they are not going to conquer the cloud.

Time for the european commission to start an investigation on misbehavior and distortion of competition.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

oh please, since when does Adobe have a monopoly on all SOFTWARE ?
Don't like their price policy ? Use alternatives.

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (7 months ago)

"Time for the european commission to start an investigation on misbehavior and distortion of competition."

Adobe has no monopoly in any of the products it sells. What the market, especially the professional one prefers, does not make for a monopoly.

While I am not a fan of Adobe's price for Photoshop it is their product and they can sell it for whatever they want. Don't like the price? Then don't buy it!

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Mattanja
By Mattanja (7 months ago)

Problem is, they are not selling it, one cannot buy it, even if one liked the price!

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PhotoHawk
By PhotoHawk (7 months ago)

This new twist pretty much signals Adobe figures it made a mistake. They have lost "face" with this move. Now what Adobe? My bet is that you'll relent and introduce a model that also provides for a purchase of the software as before. Even if you are making a profit on this snafu you certainly have seriously eroded your brand. And trust is very, very hard to regain.

My strategy? DXO Optics and Gimp - I have and use both with excellent results. I'll eventually retire my CS5 and from then on its DXO and Gimp.

I may look at the Corel products and I have Capture 1 as well. But Adobe you are NOT getting another buck out of me!

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