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Adobe introduces cheaper Creative Cloud with Photoshop + Lightroom

By dpreview staff on Sep 4, 2013 at 22:03 GMT

Adobe has added a new pricing tier to the Creative Cloud product, possibly in response to the negative response from the photography community when it announced that all Creative Suite products would require a monthly subscription. The Photoshop Photography Program gives users Photoshop CC, Lightroom 5, Bridge CC, Behance, and 20GB of storage for $9.99 per month. That price will never change, as long as you sign up before the end of this year. 

In order to be eligible for this bundle, you must already own Photoshop CS3 or newer. Current Creative Cloud users who own individual apps will be able to upgrade to this package without issue, assuming that you meet the prior criteria. If you want to step down from a more expensive plan, Adobe says that you'll need to contact their Customer Service department and 'discuss transitioning to this new offer'.

Prior to Creative Cloud, a copy of Photoshop and Lightroom would've set you back around $400. This new package will set you back $120 per year, which seems like a good deal, considering how often Adobe updates their products.

The Photoshop Photography Program for Creative Suite will be launched on September 17th, alongside Lightroom 5.2. 

Let us know what you think about these changes in our comments section below.


Press release:

Introducing the Photoshop Photography Program

During today’s keynote at the Photoshop World conference in Las Vegas, Adobe is showcasing how photography workflows will evolve to take advantage of an increasingly connected world. This includes a tour of how easy it is today to use Creative Cloud to make your content and creations available anywhere, plus the power of Behance to showcase work. We also highlight some of the exciting new technologies that we’re working on for Photoshop CC and Lightroom; our roadmap for making our photography products even more connected; and a peek at how we’re planning to bring advanced Adobe digital imaging technology to mobile devices. You’ll see these products and services become available in the not too distant future.

If you missed the keynote, you can watch the replay here, which should be posted within about 24 hours. Throughout this week at Photoshop World, we’re demoing some great digital imaging innovation and I hope you’re as excited as we are about what’s available today and what’s coming soon, thanks to our talented teams of engineers.

Since introducing Photoshop CC, we’ve listened to feedback from a spectrum of our customers, from advanced professionals to casual enthusiasts. One common request was a solution specifically tailored for photographers. We listened, and at Photoshop World we’re announcing a special offer for our loyal Photoshop customers. Beginning today, customers who own Photoshop CS3 or higher are eligible for a special Creative Cloud membership offer that includes all of the following for just $9.99/month:

  • Photoshop CC
  • Lightroom 5
  • 20 GB of online storage
  • Behance ProSite
  • Access to Creative Cloud Learn’s training resources
  • Ongoing upgrades and updates

To be clear, $9.99 is not an introductory price. It is the price for those of you who sign up by December 31, 2013. This offer will be available at the same time we introduce the new version of Lightroom 5.2 in a couple weeks.  Visit the FAQ to learn more and follow Photoshop on Facebook, Twitter and Google+ to find out when the offer goes live.

All of us on the Photoshop team look forward to continuing to build on our 20+ year relationship with our loyal community.

Via: Engadget, Source: Adobe

Comments

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jurgenvogt
By jurgenvogt (7 months ago)

Perfect! I have used Photoshop since version 2.1 and Lightroom from the beginning, and keep both of them up to date. For $9.99 a month for the two of them you can't lose. Thanks Adobe for keeping it affordable and listening to your customers.

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samhain
By samhain (7 months ago)

And what are you going to do when(not if) they raise the price? Or if you decide you prefer a current version vs a newer version?
SOL.

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jurgenvogt
By jurgenvogt (7 months ago)

Same thing I did when the purchased versions went up in price, buy it or don't upgrade. It's that simple.

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ondrej simecek
By ondrej simecek (7 months ago)

The problem of course being, with their subscription model you are left with nothing if you so much as disagree with their pricing any time in the future.
So there is no way to keep what you like and "not to upgrade"

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

Well but 9.90$ is the price untill 31th December. Then what next ? How much will it cost you after the end of the year ?

How much will it cost in other countries ? Will that deal even be offered in other countries ?

Does that means that LR will then only be offered in monthly subscription and no more sold as a standalone product ?

There are too many open questions left.

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jurgenvogt
By jurgenvogt (7 months ago)

This is my last word on the subject. You either like it or you don't. If you don't like it don't get it! It's very simple. There are other options. If you as a photographer don't want to pay the $10.00 a month, that's your problem. It won't break the bank and is less expensive that it was updating the two products every 18 months. So there it is.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

I'm thinking about Corel. Looks like a real possibility.

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Dan Nikon
By Dan Nikon (7 months ago)

I don't really care what Adobe does at this point, I started using Photoshop with version 2.0 in 1991 and have concluded my purchasing with CS6, end of the line, no clouds, no subscriptions, done! I just don't need it nearly as much anymore as I have nearly completely moved away from digital in my career anyway, so what is the point of chasing software rainbows?

I think they have really screwed them selves here and the bean counters have to be freaking....

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pokesfan
By pokesfan (7 months ago)

And pray tell Adobe, what should I do with my files after I tire of paying you in 5, 10, 15 years?

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Sordid
By Sordid (7 months ago)

Convert them to another format before you abandon their products?
Use another format in the first place?

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

You should covert or copy them as .tif, even if you never get tired of Adobe.

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Charles Bittinger
By Charles Bittinger (7 months ago)

Sounds like a great deal to me. Have been using photoshop since the early days and expect to from now on.

And, I've been wanting to try Lightroom

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Ross Murphy
By Ross Murphy (7 months ago)

so while I just upgraded to CS6 and LR5, now you want me to pay monthly and every one else gets the same thing for the same $10/month, except they dont have to pay the hundreds of dollars I've paid over the years for upgrades, how is that fair Adobe. No I will not get hijacked by your crap marketing department, we should be able to have the option to use the cloud, we dont all want to use it you know, hello ? any one home ?

3 upvotes
Sordid
By Sordid (7 months ago)

Sorry mate, but this rant is not fair.
Did you whine about your Intel processor being cheaper now than it was when you bought it?

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rickio
By rickio (7 months ago)

While I'm not too enthusiastic about this either, I should note that only registered users of CS3 and above are eligible for this offer. So it's only available to those who have paid the hundreds (probably thousands by now, in my case).

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Robert J. Gonzalez
By Robert J. Gonzalez (7 months ago)

$400?

Try $750

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sebastian huvenaars
By sebastian huvenaars (7 months ago)

9,99 isn't very much, but forever is very forever...

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matt carson
By matt carson (7 months ago)

I am a bit confused by the wording of the offer. I don't like renting software, but could probably live with $10/month, but are we getting rental access to PS CC's latest version AND Lightroom's latest version forever. The wording above is "That price will never change, as long as you sign up before the end of this year." So I suppose I am wondering in two years will I have LR7 and the most up to date PS CC or will I have LR5 or will LR5 no longer be supported and I will have LR7 but my cost will be $20/month. Will PS CC change its name to PS CC2 in a year and again my "subscription" be void cause it applied only to PS CC1? I think I could justify $120/year forever if I had the most up to date software forever, but is this the case. Also people are mentioning an inability to edit photos the did on PS CC if they stop paying, I am confused by that, can't you just save them as Tiff or jpg and edit them with other software if you decide to cancel PS CC? Thanks

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

Some good questions..in the past I have always been frustrated by the negative approach to dual platforms which seemed to have a "scxxw you" feel about it and the software was expensive to buy initially. Since I took up CC I have not felt that....especially as they are including present users in the new bundle. Upgrades historical did go up in price over time but there were no huge unmanageable jumps...I am more optimistic that prices will come down rather than keep climbing....but time will tell.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (7 months ago)

Be assured that they will find a way to move you to a higher renting "offer"....how, I don't know, Stu5 who works for ADBE may be able to explain...

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SDPharm
By SDPharm (7 months ago)

> That price will never change, as long as you sign up before the end of this year. <

This is DPReview's spin. I don't see Adobe saying that.

In Adobe's FAQ, it says:

" Customers who sign up by December 31, 2013 will be able to continue their membership. This price is not a special introductory price for your first year only; it is the standard price for this level of membership. But if you cancel your membership in the future, you will not be able to re-join at this special price."

Adobe did not say the price will NEVER increase. There are other ways they can increase your pricing. They can start a new program and stop supporting the old versions. Or, they can start a new cheaper program and lure you to switch, then increase the price of that program.

Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying it's not a good deal at this price. I'm just saying, do not expect the price to stay this way forever.

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

Adobe's wording is very ambiguous : clearly how much will we have to pay for this photographer's bundle in 2014, 2015 and later ? I think that American customers will be able to get that bundle for 10$/month untill the 31th December 2013. But how much will it cost after that ? And how much will it cost in other countries ?

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Strange Quark
By Strange Quark (7 months ago)

Two major factors drive mature software technology companies to risk spending precious R&D resources to drive innovation forward:

1) Disruptive competitive pressure
2) Revenue stream from feature-improvement driven license renewals

The former does not appear to be a major threat for Adobe in the near term.

The latter becomes a non-issue with the move to subscription based licensing.

Simply put, Adobe will no longer have any immediate pressure to justify R&D outlay to evolve the feature sets in their mature products. If CC takes hold, expect Adobe R&D spend and feature improvement rate to drop in the foreseeable future. The market segment will inevitably respond and evolve in response to these conditions.

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ktmglen
By ktmglen (7 months ago)

This!

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Josh152
By Josh152 (7 months ago)

The probability is that Adobe has no compelling features they could add for the foreseeable feature to get people to buy a license for the new versions of PS and the rest of the CS going forward anyway regardless of the pricing model they use. Making every new release under the perpetual license less and less profitable. So the subscription model was likely the best way for them to keep the CS a profitable product. Which is likely why they took the calculated risk of the subscription model despite knowing it was going to cause them a lot of backlash.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

I'd be happy if they left it alone and just updated the ability to open raw files from new cameras. Content-aware fill was the last feature they added that I found useful and that was PS 5. The point is that people don't skip versions of Photoshop just because of the expense. But, useful features or not, Adobe has to keep the revenue coming in.

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Paul Gath
By Paul Gath (7 months ago)

Agree with most the comments here about the lock-in or else you lose access to the apps. What's doubling galling is that I have just paid for upgrades to CS6 and Lightroom 5 because I was never going to subscribe to their previous deal. Where is the incentive for me now?

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

If you go to CC at least you have the latest up to date CS6 version which you can always keep. The new deal gives you the use of continually upgraded Photoshop , Lightroom and a free pro website at a long term fixed cost for the cost of a lunch in a Starbucks once a month. The good news is that those who already have CC will get the deal and who knows ...it just might get cheaper again.

At lot of the initial responses created all sorts of angst and panic.. Did the DPreview comments force Adobe's hand?....maybe. I suspect Adobe just want a higher uptake... particular those who might feel they are now missing out. Hopefully they will keep trying to price it till more and more like it....I think it will get cheaper (just a guess). Good news is that they pass on the benefit to existing users...

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Josh152
By Josh152 (7 months ago)

Personally I tend to agree with Walter but think Adobe blundered buy not offering the $9.99 deal for LR and PS to everyone. Doing that would get rid of a lot of the complaints and probably add many more subscribers. At that price many people who would have pirated in the past or who thought $20 a month was too much for one program would likely be willing to subscribe to the CC.

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howardroark
By howardroark (7 months ago)

I'm going to keep using my CS5 because I won't be treated like a pirate or a fool. Adobe needs to innovate in their software development not in their pricing schemes.

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

Confused here...do you really believe the new versions are no better than CS5? As for pricing schemes why would you complain about a company that has listened and brought the price down...Certainly the tone of the comments generally is that more people will now buy in. I would be careful about having a persecution complex... don't give anyone that satisfaction because at the end of the day only you carry that around. As for all those who now have CC...are you saying they are all fools?

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TheFlyingman
By TheFlyingman (7 months ago)

Walter: How did they listen? By offering Photography bundle only for those who did by stand-alone PS in the past, cutting people with Creative Suites from these offer? That sounds like hearing some roar but not even trying to listen and understand what and why.

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

"If you want to step down from a more expensive plan, Adobe says that you'll need to contact their Customer Service department and 'discuss transitioning to this new offer" Why not get in touch with them and let them quote you happy. I can understand they would not offer the full Suite for $9.99.... Let us know how you get on.

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nnowak
By nnowak (7 months ago)

For all other subscription software that I own, the subscription is solely for access to upgrades. The software will still continue to work if I cancel the subscription.

I own CS6, and would be OK if Adobe wanted to offer a subscription service for access to upgrades. However, I absolutely will NOT rent my software.

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Sandyramirez
By Sandyramirez (7 months ago)

How does this affect current CC subscribers?

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dual12
By dual12 (7 months ago)

You continue to pay what you've been paying.

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rickio
By rickio (7 months ago)

Apparently, if you're a current Photoshop CC subscriber (and a registered user of CS3 or above) you'll be automatically entered into this program. I think Adobe has a FAQ about this or soon will.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

Don't worry and just keep paying. Adobe will take care of you.

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (7 months ago)

@rickio
I don't think it will automatic.... have you seen the interview with ADBE's CEO... the man has no shame...

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (7 months ago)

Adobe Creative Cloud has been the greatest thing since sliced bread for me. I love having that 4 inch long string of apps. in the Finder on my Mac. No way could I justify the thousands of dollars to buy them outright, but HAVING them has opened the door for me to make 14 times the cost of the subscriptions (during the time I've had them) in graphics work, As A Sideline.

The part I've always thought about first is the hordes of young talented artists and photographers who now have within their reach a way to load up the needed thousands of dollars worth of software they need to start out.

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howardroark
By howardroark (7 months ago)

Congratulations. Having the option to pay for software up front, as has always been the case up until very recently, should also be available. OR, if they want to sell you software on an installment plan that would be fine too. After you've spent thousands of dollars on monthly payments, do you know what happens the second you stop paying? You have nothing to show for it and your work stops. I hope you don't have a financial crisis that makes your inability to pay for CC yet another financial hit.

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Artistico
By Artistico (7 months ago)

Great thing for me too, as a frequent user of Photoshop, Lightroom, Illustrator, with the occasional Dreamweaver, Flash, and Adobe Acrobat Pro, it has never been this cheap to keep up to date.

In fact, I still can't see why people keep complaining as if their old non-subscription versions should mysteriously stop working because others have gone for the subscription model.

If anyone is worried about their version being outdated and they complain because they want the new one, they'd be better off with the upgrades included in the subscription rather than doing it the old-fashioned way in any case.

Anyone still complaining should just get GIMP and other open source software and not bother the rest of us with how annoyed they are that Adobe improved their sales model.

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Husaberg Grok
By Husaberg Grok (7 months ago)

Not every user has an internet connection.
Connections are strictly forbidden in our workplace.
So for us, there is LOTS to complain about after years of upgrades and training expenditures.

For the record, the price is not the issue. We pay Thousands every year into maintainence contracts. They all will function on stand-alone workstations.

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howardroark
By howardroark (7 months ago)

Art, you're right...we shouldn't try to inform Adobe about what their customers want and need. Eventually I will buy a new camera and chances are ACR won't be able to handle the files. Perhaps I'll just do a DNG conversion, but that seems entirely unnecessary especially considering that I do want updates when the updates are worth paying for. That's the objection: the new model gives you zero choices. Their way or the highway. Well, when you're given two options there is a much greater chance the outcome won't be in favor of the one who has deliberately given you the ultimatum. Adobe spit in the faces of many of its Photoshop-only customers and I hope it hurts their bottom line in a big way for years to come.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

"Adobe Creative Cloud has been the greatest thing since sliced bread for me." That is a good argument for making it an OPTION. It is no argument for making it compulsory.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

I'm hoping that by the time my CS4 gives out someone will have developed a good alternative. Actually, there might already be something out there. Anybody use other software?

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Mr Fartleberry
By Mr Fartleberry (7 months ago)

What's next, we have to buy it from the iTunes store?

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hotdog321
By hotdog321 (7 months ago)

Someone, screen name Zorro, I think, had an excellent idea: pay for the subscription for a couple of years and you would own the standalone software at the point you stopped paying. Adobe gets its money and users wouldn't have to worry about opening legacy files.

I've used Photoshop for 15 years, on CS6 now, but no way am I getting involved in a perpetual pay program. Furthermore, I suspect Lightroom is next. Paraphrasing Douglas Adams, I don't trust Adobe any further than I can comfortably spit a rat.

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Don Boethel
By Don Boethel (7 months ago)

Is the ship sinking?

Adobe Systems (NASDAQ:ADBE) CEO Shantanu Narayen sold 50,000 shares of the stock on the open market in a transaction dated Tuesday, September 3rd. The stock was sold at an average price of $46.26, for a total transaction of $2,313,000.00

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JackFM
By JackFM (7 months ago)

September 17 quarterly results? They will be weak so CEO realized gains :)

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (7 months ago)

So, I guess those of us who bit at CC as a standalone app for 12 months at $9.99 cannot take advantage of this and will be raised in price after a year?

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Walter
By Walter (7 months ago)

Think it says you will be upgraded to the new plan in the above txt. "Current ....................:)

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cfh25
By cfh25 (7 months ago)

Think I'll wait for them to blink a second time - might bite at $4.99/mo.

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Joe Mayer
By Joe Mayer (7 months ago)

I've used photoshop for over a decade. I've taken the ride from before it was "CS" and have stopped at CS6. I'm planning on holding onto it for as long as it may serve me which I fear won't be as long as I'd like but what choice does Adobe offer me other than to pay them monthly when I have to join CC? I know I can go to the competition but for me, they don't exist yet but we'll see what the future holds. In the meantime, shame on you Adobe. This is the pricing you should have introduced to begin with and you still hold hostage those who never had a previous version. You will make money with your cloud in the long run but still refuse to offer reasonable prices to get new users hooked. And bundling lightroom with photoshop is, in my opinion, worthless. For myself at least, using photoshop does everything and having lightroom only takes up hard drive space. Bundling them makes no sense.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (7 months ago)

Funny, I feel exactly the opposite. LR does pretty much everything I need, but I would subscribe to add PS. Except I don't have PS, so I can't.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

But you aren't subscribing, you are renting. Once you stop paying you get nothing. That's renting. If you were subscribing you'd have a product to use after you stopped paying, like a magazine subscription, or newspaper subscription.

Go ahead and rent if you want though. Good luck!

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (7 months ago)

I agree with cgarrand,
This is definitely a showstopper for me. This is the kind of thing that you get sucked into when you have no alternatives...not the case here.

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carla99
By carla99 (7 months ago)

How long before Adobe starts making Lightroom part of it's Cloud products. We will probaly have start paying a monthly fee to use that too.
I bought CS4 and paid around $600. I then paid for 2 upgrades. Over $1000.00 and they still want more of my money?

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gregwill
By gregwill (7 months ago)

Just checked the UK pricing. It's not until you start the purchasing process that you actually see the price. (After clicking the "I'm really sure I don't want a full CC subscription" button).

Annual plan is £14.29 a month + VAT
Monthly plan is £22.23 a month + VAT

In the days of internet delivery of software, I fail to see how they can justify ripping off their non-US customers like this. It's not even like they provide British English language packs!

If I was able to rent for $9.99 (about £6.66) a month, I'd probably sign up. But I just don't see why I should pay more than double what US customers are paying.

I'll continue to stick with non-cloud LR5, and PS CS6.

Greg

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Ken Croft
By Ken Croft (7 months ago)

Could it be that you are seeing current pricing, since the new pricing does not launch until 17 September?

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rrr_hhh
By rrr_hhh (7 months ago)

Well said.. I'm also waiting to see how much it would cost here in Switzerland. Untill now, all the CC offerings were costing about 38% more than in the US even after VAT substraction.

I'm not willing to swallow such an unjustifiable price tag. Plus Adobe is stupid : with the previous scheme we were remembered of Adobe unfair international prices once every 1 or 2 years. But now we will have to swallow that 12 times a year.

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m3
By m3 (7 months ago)

They're still at it. They're still stupid. They will be still pirated.

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soloryb
By soloryb (7 months ago)

What you offer is tempting but I only recently upgraded to PS CS 6 and LR 5 (for several hundred dollars) and have been a customer for several years - always following the upgrade $$$ path.

What is the nature of the guarantees you make about that $9.99 per month forever? Does it mean that both PS and LR future upgrades will always be free? Or will we be expected to pay some sort of version upgrade fee in the future?

Unfortunately Adobe has sown a great deal of distrust among its loyal users, especially with the prior high initial offering price and no real upgrade path for CS6 PS owners - other than CC. I'd like to trust Adobe again, but I'm sure you realize just what a bone-headed mistake you made in the way you introduced the change to cloud software.

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KW Phua
By KW Phua (7 months ago)

What happen if Adobe close down? Or burn down? You do not own any copy for future use. So, make sure Adobe long life.

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Josh152
By Josh152 (7 months ago)

Simple just download the already available cracked version and use that.

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Charlie boots
By Charlie boots (7 months ago)

This does not alter the fact that if you don't pay you cannot use the Software at all and thus cannot easily access your images.

If you buy it you are better off.

I will upgrade from cs5 to cs6 before year end and continue to upgrade lightroom. Cs6 is already more than I need and good enough for all of my needs. By upgrading lightroom i will continue to receive updated raw convertors for all new cameras.

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jtan163
By jtan163 (7 months ago)

Save and JPG and DNG then you can use other software if you wish to lapse your CC subscription.

Still I agree in spirit if not in detail.
Fsck adobe.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (7 months ago)

My worry is that they will move LR to the CC also.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

Caerolle - they will not. LR sells for $100 and users upgrade it to get support for new cameras. Adobe does not have to force them to upgrade - as is the case with the $700 Photoshop.

Also, most LR users are enthusiast photographers. Most (legit) Photoshop users are professional designers. The two groups are totally different.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (7 months ago)

wlad, good points.n I hope you are right! :)

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SemperAugustus
By SemperAugustus (7 months ago)

WLAD
Where is LR worth $100? ADBE says is $150...are they wrong?

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

that's the MSRP, Amazon sells it for $130, and Adobe themselves usually have promotions every time a new major version is released. Upgrade costs $79.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

No--lots of Photoshop users are not professional designers. Why? Because we shelled out for Photoshop long before LR or even Elements even existed.

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ruudje44
By ruudje44 (7 months ago)

Till now it's not possible to download Lightroom 5 in China or you have to rent their creative suite. So it seems to me that it's not a standalone program anymore.

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prodz
By prodz (7 months ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=67Iw9q2X9cU#!

:))

i don't like the idea of subscription model. I am sticking with what I have, ACDSee, GIMP & Capture NX 2.

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Vallkar
By Vallkar (7 months ago)

Sorry, Cloud is not for me. I will look for alternatives.

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gefrorenezeit
By gefrorenezeit (7 months ago)

Thanks Adobe, but i still will not rent software.

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TylerQ
By TylerQ (7 months ago)

Never will fall for this scam.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Wow 275 comments already. I think all this new price drop did, was peeve people off even more- exactly the opposite effect that the whigs at Adobe intended.

Adobe- "Can you hear me now"

Probably not.

Perhaps when your revenue drops another 66% maybe you'll listen. For now I'm loving reading all of these comments and seeing so many people unified against a scheme.

It's awesome to see people thinking and not letting themselves be taken advantage of for once. We should thank Adobe for waking the sleeping giant, maybe people will start speaking up for other atrocities that governments and other corporations put us through too.

Well... maybe.

C

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ChrisSwiss
By ChrisSwiss (7 months ago)

Swiss users are still ripped off. No discount for us. If you had one, I would do a decent twerk right into your face, Adobe.

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ihv
By ihv (7 months ago)

double post, sorry.

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DotCom Editor
By DotCom Editor (7 months ago)

What happens to those who signed for the $9.99 Photoshop CC subscription before Sept. 1? Do they now get Lightroom thrown in, too?

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dual12
By dual12 (7 months ago)

Of course NOT.

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MazG
By MazG (7 months ago)

Yes you will but I believe you have to phone them to get switched over (according to the news articles).

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

CEO Shantanu Narayen of the Adobe Indian Call Center.

He calls the shots,
He calls us all fools
He calls us into bondage

WE CALL His bluff.
WE CALL The attention of Adobe's opposition
WE CALL An end to this parasites hold on the industry.

See the liar in action, if you have any doubts after listening to him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

Cop that Ram-Jam

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Wow I just watched that video, that's amazing. How many times can you possibly avoid answering the question?

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

When you are a cheating, unethical self-serving parasite, I guess it's just in his nature and culture.

Spread the link as much as you can my friend, He is his worst enemy! He certainly is one of the most repulsive individuals I have had the displeasure to listen to!

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Joe Mayer
By Joe Mayer (7 months ago)

Does this guy think he's playing dodgeball? Obviously this is just the person Adobe wants as CEO as he himself seems so brainwashed spouting "CC is the future" as an answer to any question put to him. I would have loved to have asked him what he's planning to have for dinner. He probably would have replied "CC is the best value for our customers and where the future lies".

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

LOL JOE! No doubt.

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Robert J. Gonzalez
By Robert J. Gonzalez (7 months ago)

While it's true that there are other packages competing with PS and LR, but choosing them is a compromise.

Usually the trade-off's aren't worth it.

Light room is harder to replace than photoshop since LR is much more useful for the everyday business of handling your images.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

I will miss Bridge, but I have too many pictures for LR. It's useless. I'm hoping CS4 with plugins (fine for me) will be okay until better options turn up. This deal is just not for me for many reasons.

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Deardorff
By Deardorff (7 months ago)

My work computer never goes online. When I decide to upgrade from CS6 it will not be with Adobe. Just getting CS6 going was a major headache with hours wasted using Adobe Tech Help.

They are getting worse and more controlling than religion.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Hi Deardorff, have a look at the link, you will see Adobe's true colour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM
We pay AUD$2300 more than the USA price for the CS6 Suite!

These PhotPhiles have been molesting us for years and getting protection by way of a Lock-out internet! Here in Australia we are not allowed to buy from the US. We are forced into extortionist protection rackets.

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Robert J. Gonzalez
By Robert J. Gonzalez (7 months ago)

What headaches?

installing photoshop is straight forward.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

Only if you are not upgrading.

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whtchocla7e
By whtchocla7e (7 months ago)

As an amateur, I will never accept the subscription model.
I don't change cameras often and I don't process files frequently. I would never get my monies worth.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

then why the heck were you even considering using Photoshop ???
Use Gimp or Photoshop Elements.

seriously, it's like complaining the RED camera costs too much for a camera you would use to record your kid's birthday parties

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ihv
By ihv (7 months ago)

If I use it Sundays only it doesn't mean I don't appreciate the pro features.

There is a nice example in the music making world - exactly the same feature set costs very different amount whether it is for personal use or for serious production (Reaper).

I applaud this approach.

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David Dahlstrom
By David Dahlstrom (7 months ago)

They still don't get it. I'm fine with a renting *option*; its actually a nice and cost-effective option to have; but I cannot rent. It has nothing to do with price. It has to do with the fact that this is a revokable license.

When I create images, I need to be able to edit them later. If at some point in the future I need to switch to another product (because Adobe went away, or another product now suits my needs better), I am bound to continue to pay Adobe for the continued right to edit my own images made while I was renting. This is because the moment I stop paying, my license to use the Photoshop version to create those images is revoked. And, of course, if Adobe goes away nobody gets to edit their images anymore--especially if your saved images include any proprietary features of the Photoshop version you created the images in. Pros beware--and don't say you weren't warned.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (7 months ago)

The majority of pros are not stupid enough not to save a 16 bit tiff in the first place after they finish editing. If they come back months later to the image then the have the option to use the psd file, the Raw with metadata saved to the sidebar or the tiff. It is called having a proper backup system.

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Reactive
By Reactive (7 months ago)

@ Dave Dahlstrom:
Exactly the point, precisely put.

CashCow is also the ultimate formula to allow Adobe to sit back and become ever more lazy and unresponsive to customer's needs (and opinions).

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Kodachrome200
By Kodachrome200 (7 months ago)

this only applies to lightroom and so far they have said lightroom will always be availible as as stand alone license

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Gregm61
By Gregm61 (7 months ago)

Wake up. Lightroom is in this new $9.99 model. You really think Lightroom 6 is going to remain stand alone? Going, going, gone.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

Yes, LR will stay alone, because it is used mostly by photo enthusiasts who don't care about cloud, or monthly payments.
And they already upgrade LR regularly so they can use it with their new cameras.

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ABM Barry
By ABM Barry (7 months ago)

Adobe CEO Shantanu Narayen. This is the future folks!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juM46ny1WhM

Would you buy a used car from this individual?

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mwgnz
By mwgnz (7 months ago)

Naa. Not for me. Too little, too late. Adobe burnt its bridges to me a few months back. These days I'm successfully evolving a digital darkroom sans Photoshop.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

Photoshop is not a digital darkroom. That would be Lightroom.
Photoshop is a painter's studio.

Don't confuse these two.

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groucher
By groucher (7 months ago)

How strange, I used to use Photo$hop as a digital darkroom to do many of the things I did in a film darkroom - dodging/burning, getting colours right, adjusting exposure etc. One thing that Photo$hop is very poor at is painting - the selection tools are truly appalling and should have been improved long ago.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

@groucher - then you were using the wrong product in the first place. You didn't need Photoshop to accomplish what you mentioned.

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dual12
By dual12 (7 months ago)

Wlad is wrong twice. Photoshop is definitely NOT a "painter's studio," and groucher isn't wrong. It's called Photoshop for a reason.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

adobe's site:

Lightroom:
Ideal for:
Professional and amateur photographers

Photoshop CC:
Ideal for:
Photographers
Print designers
Web designers
Interactive designers
Video professionals

Using Photoshop for adjusting exposure and white balance is like using a D4 for posting selfies on facebook.

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Paul.R.Lindqvist
By Paul.R.Lindqvist (7 months ago)

A very nice deal. Professional tools targeted at professionals. Don't like it, don't buy it simple as that.

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AshMills
By AshMills (7 months ago)

You cant buy it, you may rent it.

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Paul.R.Lindqvist
By Paul.R.Lindqvist (7 months ago)

Well in my world you can purchase/buy a subscription plan.

Obviously not in yours.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

Paul. - it's not the same thing.

You used to pay for a copy, which then BELONGED to you.
You don't own anything with CC - you just have the right to use it while you pay for it.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Exactly Wlad. But don't worry Paul, Adobe hasn't got a cent from me since they announced the cloud based product. I imagine I'm not alone considering they lost 66% of revenue in one single year.

Pretty soon you won't have a company to purchase your subscription from and your work will be stuck on a cloud that will be shut down- never to be seen again.

Great deal hah? Yep go for it!

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

Yes, and use it online only, at that.

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (7 months ago)

So Adobe this should be 7,57921 € for Europe.

Let's see how you calculate - I'm afraid you are going to rip off old Europe as you always did.

So no love here!

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Febs
By Febs (7 months ago)

The mentioned offer doesn't exist in my country (Switerland) and the subscription prices are MUCH higher than in the U.S.

Monthly membership Adobe CC: 70 Swiss Francs = 75 USD

Monthly membership Photoshop CC: 28 Swiss Francs = 30 USD

I find the huge pricing difference to other countries repellent and am not going to participate with a subscription

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MPA1
By MPA1 (7 months ago)

Yes in Australia and NZ too it is vastly more than the US for no good reason whatsoever.

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nemmerle
By nemmerle (7 months ago)

Australia's cheapest equivalent offer is AU$30 per month. Which equates to about US$26 per month for the same thing you get here for $10 per month. Not worth it. Won't be using it. Sticking with CS5.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

For those who missed, interesting tidbit:
"
Adobe Cash flows:
Net Income
six Months ending 6/1/2012 $409.085,000
six Months ending 5/31/2013 $141,663,000."

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

Granted you are not exactly going out of business at 141 million every two quarters but when you are only pulling in 34% of what you were before said plan....

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

OUCH!

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Reactive
By Reactive (7 months ago)

What revealing statistics! No wonder they're getting so desperate to snare new suckers into the CashCow program!

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DiverX
By DiverX (7 months ago)

That date 5/31/13 doesn't even show the results of customer dissatisfaction of the CC announcement.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

Then I can't wait to see the 5/31/14 number :)

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (7 months ago)

I hate to be the one to pop your vengeful balloon, but Adobe knew their revenue would go down just like that. You see, if General Motors changed from selling $20,000 cars to renting cars monthly, the huge influx of cash at the new car year would go down just the same. It is stability of income over time that would go way up.

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bronxbombers4
By bronxbombers4 (7 months ago)

@Raincheck - unless they just keep losing more and more customers instead of having everyone give in and decide to come back as they expect, a consistent stream from 10% of customers would be worse than a bouncing stream from 100%.

We will see, but the fact that they announced this already and that the CEO has been dumping shares makes me think they are no longer so sure about their original model.

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GaryJP
By GaryJP (7 months ago)

Sorry. Adobe will never get me to rent my software. I am sticking with what I have until I decide to change software companies. I know how much I can trust you now, which is not at all.

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AshMills
By AshMills (7 months ago)

Bear in mind that Lightroom 6 could be an additional charge...

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AshMills
By AshMills (7 months ago)

..(updates and upgrades its says, but does that mean new versions too?)

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JamieTux
By JamieTux (7 months ago)

Yes, it cost me nothing extra (over my standard CC subscription) to go from LR4 to LR5 - it's a subscription, not a rental..

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PicOne
By PicOne (7 months ago)

Not sure. Why does Adobe specify LR5, unlike just referencing photoshop as PS CC ? Wouldn't they reference lightroom as LRCC?

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AshMills
By AshMills (7 months ago)

Well there is no LRCC, and LR5 is currently included in the CC bundles. I suspect in a couple of years LR and Bridge will merge into a new bigger bloatier program available for extra $$.

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nemmerle
By nemmerle (7 months ago)

If I subscribe to a magazine, I get to keep all the copies of the magazine I want and it is up to me if I want to throw them away.

If I rent a car, I have to return it at the end of the rental. To keep using it, I have to keep paying.

Sounds like rental to me - just because they call it a subscription doesn't make it one..

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (7 months ago)

"Sounds like rental to me - just because they call it a subscription doesn't make it one.."

They could call it a rose but it will still smell like a fart.

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SETI
By SETI (7 months ago)

Adobe company has shown its true face. So, this time, the smart people will prefer to abstain...

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CameraLabTester
By CameraLabTester (7 months ago)

"Look! Up in the cloud! It's... It's... Adobe!"

"Don't be silly, it's just a Tornado... trying to scare us."

"Aah yes, we all know what happens to them... they eventually DIE after a while."

.

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noegd
By noegd (7 months ago)

I think what Adobe needs to offer is an option for enthusiasts using Lightroom to get Photoshop CC at a decent cost. I am an amateur who has purchased every Lr version since v2, and would not mind subscribing to PS CC if it was cheap enough.

But, with the current offers, only existing CS users can get Lr + Ps CC for 10$/month, which I think is a great deal for pros. Existing Lightroom users need to pay the regular 20$/month to get Ps CC alone... Does not make sense to me.

And yes, a rent-to-buy approach would be ideal. I hope they do not remove the option to buy Lightroom in the future cause I don't want to locked into a rental system to keep access to my images catalog.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

rent-to-buy is not going to happen, ever.
That is exactly what Adobe wants to avoid - their customers using older versions of their products and skipping upgrades.
The current versions are simply too perfect, and it's more and more difficult for Adobe to come with some new features that would get the owners of previous versions to upgrade.
I'm afraid this will be the long term goal of all software vendors.

Physical objects age - software does not. So invention is the only force that can drive current customers to pay again - if they OWN the software. "Software as a service" takes care of that.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (7 months ago)

Yes, if LR goes rental-only, I guess I will have to move to CaptureOne Pro. I actually like it better than LR, but at twice the price, I can't justify it as a hobbyist. Still, one year of rental at $20 a month would close to pay for it, then the upgrades would be cheaper than the rental fees.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

So you like CaptureOne Pro?

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RumpelHund
By RumpelHund (7 months ago)

Love the idea, Adobe will win over the community for sure. I don't see how anybody using one of those tools will find a flaw in the offer, unless it's about illegal copies of course.

Hope this pays off well enough for adobe in the long run.
For me (CS4 and LR5) it's the thing I hoped for.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (7 months ago)

The problem lies in the fact that they have never been honest to their loyal customer base. You subscribe for 10 dollars a month to find out that in about two years time you will have to pay 25 dollars a month and there is no way back!

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JamieTux
By JamieTux (7 months ago)

From about 20 lines above your post...

"To be clear, $9.99 is not an introductory price. It is the price for those of you who sign up by December 31, 2013. This offer will be available at the same time we introduce the new version of Lightroom 5.2 in a couple weeks. Visit the FAQ to learn more and follow Photoshop on Facebook, Twitter and Google+ to find out when the offer goes live."

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Jose Urena
By Jose Urena (7 months ago)

And when you stop paying your monthly lifetime dues, until you die, your software dies on you. Along with fulll access to the native files you had created. No, thanks.

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JamieTux
By JamieTux (7 months ago)

Jose,

I'm sure that you have Photoshop 7 and a version of raw Adobe Raw Converter that works with your brand new camera right? If you're using Photoshop generally you have to upgrade when you upgrade your camera anyway.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

Jamie,

you don't have to upgrade. You can stick to an old version and use the DNG converter.

Or just use Ligtroom for RAW processing, save as TIFF and work with that in your favourite 10 years old Photoshop with no problems.

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Caerolle
By Caerolle (7 months ago)

wlad, until LR goes rental-only too...

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groucher
By groucher (7 months ago)

$9.99 for the usual flabby old utilities and antiquated toolset. No thanks - the combination of Corel PaintShop Pro with Colour Efex and NX2 is far superior and much cheaper.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

in which Universe ?

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groucher
By groucher (7 months ago)

You'd know if you tried them.

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wlad
By wlad (7 months ago)

groucher, no - *you* would know if you tried them.

CNX2 is the antique tool with obsolete interface & workflow (modifying original NEFs, seriously?), that actually delivers *worse* results than a 3rd party RAW processor - even when it's working with a reverse engineered proprietary NEF format.

LR can recover more information from the shadows & highlights than CNX2. That's simply a fact. A bit humiliating for Nik software, but still a fact.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

Maybe the Nikon software will improve with this motivation.

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MPA1
By MPA1 (7 months ago)

Good for Apple when Aperture 4 comes out!

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (7 months ago)

If it ever comes in the first place.

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bluerabbit
By bluerabbit (7 months ago)

Groans. I hate Apple.

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