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Fujifilm unveils X-A1: an entry-level mirrorless with a conventional sensor

By dpreview staff on Sep 17, 2013 at 05:00 GMT

Fujifilm has announced the X-A1, its most basic X-mount mirrorless camera yet. The X-A1 shares a body with the X-M1 but is based around a 16MP sensor with a conventional, Bayer color filter array, rather than the X-Trans design that's been used in the other X-series models. Despite its lowly position in the lineup, the X-A1 retains the 920k-dot tilting rear screen and Wi-Fi offered by the X-M1, yet is being launched with an MSRP of $599 with the XC 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OIS standard zoom - $200 cheaper than the X-M1 cost at its launch.

The company has also announced the Fujinon XC 50-230mm F4.5-6.7 OIS lens, a relatively small, lightweight zoom for Fujifilm's mirrorless cameras, designed to complement smaller bodies like the X-M1 and X-A1. It features optical image stabilization for sharper handheld pictures, and uses a stepper motor for fast focusing. Like the XC 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OIS, but unlike Fujifilm's more-expensive 'R' type lenses, it doesn't have an aperture ring - instead this is controlled from the camera body. This means that X-Pro1 and X-E1 owners will need to install the latest firmware to use the lens.

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Press Release:

FUJIFILM LAUNCHES THE X-A1, AN ENTRY-LEVEL CSC FEATURING A 16.3 MP APS-C CMOS SENSOR AND POWERFUL EXR PROCESSOR II

New X-A1 offers entry into the premium X-Series while delivering outstanding image quality, modern design, sharp 3” tilting LCD screen and wireless image transfer

Valhalla, N.Y., September 17, 2013 – FUJIFILM North America Corporation today announced the new FUJIFILM X-A1 compact system camera (CSC), the fourth interchangeable lens system camera introduced within the award-winning FUJIFILM X-Series. The ultra-light X-A1 gives consumers an affordable entry point into the X-Series line of digital cameras and delivers outstanding image quality using its large 16.3 Megapixel APS-C  CMOS sensor, easy operation and wireless image transfer for quick photo sharing.

The FUJIFILM X-A1 kit will ship with the FUJINON XC16-50mm (24-76mm)*1 F3.5-5.6 OIS zoom lens. The XC16-50mm is a versatile lens that is ideal for a wide range of photographic subjects, including clear low-light scenes, beautiful portraits and vivid landscapes. The lens consists of 12 all glass elements in 10 groups including 3 aspherical elements and 1 ED element. The lens features seven round-edged aperture blades, which offer 17 stops in 1/3 EV increments for precise aperture control.

“The lightweight X-A1 and versatile XC16-50mm lens combination gives consumers extraordinary value and the opportunity to experience the outstanding image quality that the X-Series is known for,” said Manny Almeida, senior vice president and general manager, FUJIFILM North America Corporation. “Together with a high definition tilting screen and wireless image transfer, consumers of all skill levels can capture truly memorable images that can also be shared on Facebook and Twitter quickly and easily.”

Large 16.3 Megapixel APS-C sensor and EXR Processor II

The FUJIFILM X-A1 uses an APS-C sensor and powerful EXR Processor II that captures rich tones, breath-taking dynamic range and stunning low-light images using its extended ISO range of up to 25600. With the X-A1, users can set the sensor sensitivity from ISO200 to as high as ISO6400 in 1/3 step increments, to obtain remarkably clear images even when shooting indoors and at night.

Together with the EXR Processor II, the X-A1 also gives customers fantastic speed with a start-up time of 0.5 seconds*2, a shutter time lag of 0.05 seconds and a maximum burst speed of 5.6 frames per second (max. 30 frames*3).

Compact performance and advanced features

The X-A1 CSC combines advanced features in a go-anywhere design. The X-A1 weighs just 11.6oz*4 and is about a third of the size of a traditional DSLR body. With a slim profile of 1.3” at its trimmest point, the X-A1 is easily carried anywhere.

The X-A1 also features a 3” tilting high resolution LCD screen with 920,000 dots for easy image viewing and framing at various angles. The 3” LCD monitor tilts at variable vertical angles, facilitating both low-angle and high-angle shots whether on or off a tripod.

The X-A1 uses a built-in high precision flash, with the guide number 7*5, and Super Intelligent Flash technology that uses scene recognition and automatically controls flash strength to reduce highlight clipping.

Easy Image Transfer with WiFi® button

The X-A1 includes a WiFi button that lets users transfer high quality photos and movies*6  to social media sites for easy sharing from the camera to smartphones, tablets and computers.

To connect the X-A1 to a smartphone or tablet, users can download the free dedicated “FUJIFILM Camera Application” to their iPhone™ / iPad™ or Android™ smartphone or tablet device to transfer up to 30 pictures at a time from the X-A1. The app also lets users download movies, expanding the range of options available for enjoying pictures taken with the camera.

Intuitive design and easy operation

The X-A1 has its key operation buttons and dials positioned on the right side of the camera’s rear panel for easy use and quick picture taking. The Mode Dial for selecting the optimum setting for each scene gives access to the Advanced SR Auto function, which automatically recognizes each scene and selects the best settings for sharp and clear images.

The Advanced Filter function and Film Simulation modes give users a range of creative filters and film effects to apply and achieve unique and artistic looks.

FUJINON XC50-230mm (76-350mm) F4.5-6.7 OIS

The all new FUJINON XC50-230mm (76-350mm) F4.5-6.7 OIS lens adds even more versatility to the X-Series line of compact system cameras by offering an expanded zoom range that delivers consistently outstanding optical performance throughout. The XC50-230mm uses optical image stabilization to ensure superb performance and effectively reduces blur when shooting at longer focal lengths and in low light.

FUJIFILM X-A1 key features list:

  • 16.3 Megapixel APS-C CMOS sensor
  • EXR Processor II
    • Start-up time of 0.5
    • Shutter lag time of 0.05
    • Shooting interval time of 0.7
  • 3” (920K dot) tilting high resolution LCD screen
  • Full range of ISO100 – ISO25600
  • Wireless image transfer
  • Q Menu shortcut button
  • In-camera RAW processing
  • Film Simulation modes (Velvia, ASTIA, PROVIA, Sepia, and Black & White)
  • 8 Advanced Filters (Toy Camera, Miniature, Dynamic Tone, Pop Color, Soft Focus, High Key, Low Key and Partial Color)
  • Multiple Exposure mode to superimpose a second exposure on the first exposure
  • Full HD movie 1080P\30fps and built-in stereo microphone
  • Available accessories include: Leather Case, Hand Grip, and Clip-on Flash

 FUJINON XC16-50mm (24-76mm) F3.5-5.6 OIS

  • 24-76mm equivalent F3.5-5.6 lens
  • Fully compatible with FUJIFILM X-Mount
  • 12 all glass elements in 10 groups including 3 aspherical elements and 1 ED element
  • Seven round-edged aperture blades, which offer 17 stops in 1/3 EV steps

 FUJINON XC50-230mm (76-350mm) F4.5-6.7 OIS

  • 76-350mm equivalent F4.5-6.7 lens
  • Fully compatible with FUJIFILM X-Mount
  • 13 all glass elements in 10 groups including 1 aspherical lens and 1 ED element
  • Optical image stabilization that minimizes blur at longer focal lengths and in low light
  • A precision stepping motor for  high-speed autofocusing
  • Available in black and silver

The FUJIFILM X-A1 and XC16-50mm (24-76mm) F3.5-5.6 OIS lens (kit) will be available in September 2013 for $599.95 in black and indigo blue. The FUJINON XC50-230mm (76-350mm) F4.5-6.7 OIS lens will be available in November 2013 for $399.95. The FUJIFILM X-A1 uses the same FUJIFILM X-Mount as the X-Pro1, X-E1 and X-M1, and all FUJIFILM XF and XC lenses will work with all X-Series interchangeable lens cameras.

The current Fujifilm lens family includes the following FUJINON XF and XC lenses:

  • XF 14mm F2.8
  • XF 18mm F2.0
  • XF 23mm F1.4
  • XF 27mm F2.8
  • XF 35mm F1.4
  • XF 60mm F2.4
  • XF 18-55mm F2.8-4.0 OIS
  • XF 55-200mm F3.5-4.8 OIS
  • XC 16-50mm F3.5-5.6 OIS

*1 35mm format equivalent
*2 Quick Start mode
*3 Maximum number of frames can be shot in JPEG setting, using a “Class 10” or higher SD card
*4 Including the battery and memory card, excluding the lens
*5 ISO200・m; When shooting at ISO200, the light reaches a subject up to (7/F number) meters away
*6 FUJIFILM Camera Application for iOS can save movie files up to 1280 x 720

Fujifilm X-A1 specifications

Price
MSRP$599 with 16-50mm
Body type
Body typeRangefinder-style mirrorless
Sensor
Max resolution4896 x 3264
Other resolutionsS: (3:2) 2496 x 1664 / (16:9) 2496 x 1408 / (1:1) 1664 x 1664
Image ratio w:h1:1, 3:2, 16:9
Effective pixels16 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors17 megapixels
Sensor sizeAPS-C (23.6 x 15.6 mm)
Sensor typeCMOS
ProcessorEXR Processor II
Image
ISOAUTO / Equivalent to ISO200 - 6400 (Standard Output Sensitivity)
White balance presets7
Custom white balanceYes
Image stabilizationNo
Image stabilization notesSupported with OIS type lens
Uncompressed formatRAW
JPEG quality levelsFine, Normal
File format
  • JPEG (Exif Ver 2.3)*2 / RAW (RAF format) / RAW+JPEG (Design rule for Camera File system compliant / DPOF-compatible)
Optics & Focus
Autofocus
  • Contrast Detect (sensor)
  • Multi-area
  • Center
  • Tracking
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Face Detection
Autofocus assist lampAF assist illuminator available
Manual focusYes
Number of focus points49
Lens mountFujifilm X
Focal length multiplier1.5×
Screen / viewfinder
Articulated LCDTilting
Screen size3
Screen dots920,000
Touch screenNo
Screen typeTFT LCD
Live viewYes
Viewfinder typeNone
Photography features
Minimum shutter speed30 sec
Maximum shutter speed1/4000 sec
Exposure modes
  • Advanced SR AUTO
  • Program AE
  • Shutter Priority
  • Aperture Priority
  • Manual
  • Custom
  • Portrait
  • Landscape
  • Sport
  • SP
  • Adv.
  • AUTO
Scene modes
  • Portrait, Landscape, Sports, Portrait enhancer, Night, Night (tripod), Fireworks, Sunset, Snow, Beach, Party, Flower, Text
Built-in flashYes (Manual pop-up flash)
Flash range7.00 m (ISO200m)
External flashYes (dedicated TTL Flash compatible)
Flash modesAuto / Forced Flash / Suppressed Flash / Slow Synchro / Rear-curtain Synchro / Commander
Flash X sync speed1/180 sec
Drive modes
  • Single
  • Continuous
  • Self-timer
Continuous drive6 fps
Self-timerYes (10 sec. / 2 sec.)
Metering modes
  • Multi
  • Average
  • Spot
Exposure compensation±2 (at 1/3 EV steps)
AE Bracketing±1 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 2/3 EV, 1 EV steps)
Videography features
Resolutions1920 x 1080 30p, Continuous recording: up to approx. 14 min./1280 x 720 30p, Continuous recording: up to approx. 27 min.
FormatH.264
Videography notesMOV/H.264
MicrophoneStereo
SpeakerMono
Storage
Storage typesSD memory card / SDHC memory card / SDXC (UHS-I) memory card
Connectivity
USB USB 2.0 (480 Mbit/sec)
HDMIYes (Mini HDMI Type C)
WirelessBuilt-In
Wireless notesGeotagging setup, Image transfer (Individual image / Selected multiple images), View & Obtain Images, PC Autosave
Remote controlYes (RR-90 (sold separately))
Physical
BatteryBattery Pack
Battery descriptionNP-W126 battery and BC-W126 charger
Battery Life (CIPA)350
Weight (inc. batteries)330 g (0.73 lb / 11.64 oz)
Dimensions117 x 67 x 39 mm (4.6 x 2.62 x 1.54)
Other features
Orientation sensorYes
GPSNone

Fujifilm XC 50-230mm F4.5-6.7 OIS specifications

Principal specifications
Lens typeZoom lens
Max Format sizeAPS-C / DX
Focal length50–230 mm
Image stabilisationYes
Lens mountFujifilm X
Aperture
Maximum apertureF4.5 - F6.7
Minimum apertureF22.0
Aperture ringNo
Number of diaphragm blades7
Aperture notesRounded diaphragm
Optics
Elements13
Groups10
Special elements / coatings1 aspherical lens, 1 ED glass element
Focus
Minimum focus1.10 m (43.31)
Maximum magnification0.2×
AutofocusYes
Motor typeStepper motor
Full time manualYes
Focus methodInternal
Distance scaleNo
DoF scaleNo
Physical
Weight375 g (0.83 lb)
Diameter69 mm (2.7)
Length111 mm (4.37)
MaterialsPlastic barrel, plastic mount
ColourBlack, Silver
Zoom methodRotary (extending)
Filter thread58 mm

Additional images

 Fujifilm X-A1 The X-A1 retains the tilting screen featured on the X-M1.
Fujifilm X-A1 with XC 16-50mm OIS Fujinon XC50-230mm F4.5-6.7 OIS
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Comments

Total comments: 262
12
Spectro
By Spectro (7 months ago)

this basically said the xtran sensor is $200 more. Was thinking about the x-m1, but seeing how fuji overcharge not so interested. But once the m1 price goes down I will get it. Would like to see the a1 and e1 raw sample. I edit my raw, don't care for the jpeg sooc.

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David Hardaway
By David Hardaway (7 months ago)

X-Trans is the latest technology since the ....SuperCCD!

Glad to see them back to Bayer. Wish I would have waited and not taken such a spanking on the X-E1. Xtrans is going to join the SuperCCD at some point.

Comment edited 2 minutes after posting
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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

The M 1 and A 1 should be tested with the 18mm f2 lens and tested against each other and other cameras fitted with similar 28mm equivalent lens. I would include the E-M 1 as this would just compare still IQ not other aspects it would be interesting to see how a $600 with kit lens (A 1) but use the 18mm for test would compare to GX7,E-M 1,NEX6,NX300 and say Nikon D7000 to keep it at 16MP and of course the GR and Nikon A should be included also.

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Den Sh
By Den Sh (7 months ago)

18mm is the worst lens in the lineup (i've tried it). It is definitely softer than Nikon A and Ricoh GR and just about any prime in this rage.

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white shadow
By white shadow (7 months ago)

If Fuji do not have an excellent 18mm lens, its about time they should make one. The 28mm (and 24mm) equivalent is a very useful focal length for group photos and some basic landscape shots.

When fitted to both the bodies, it should out perform the Ricoh GR and Nikon A. At least that's my expectation otherwise one might as well just get the Ricoh GR instead. It is more compact and will cost about the price of the lens (maybe slightly more).

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

Well the Fuji 18 is a pancake so edge performance suffers as is typical of pancakes. Center performance is quite good I believe. Obviously I picked 18mm for ease of comparison to GR and NikonA. Since GR and the A are fixed lens we can't use a Sigma or something that is available for all. Still would be interesting to see results as we know the GR and the A are very good.

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Matt1645f4
By Matt1645f4 (7 months ago)

Can we have a X-M1 v X-A1 comparison please so we can see how much of a difference that xtrans sensor makes.

7 upvotes
mumintroll
By mumintroll (7 months ago)

I totally agree. This is be or not to be question.

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gerard boulanger
By gerard boulanger (7 months ago)

Good marketing strategy based on making easier for the wallet to enter the X system. Those starting with the X-A1 and the kit lenses will hopefully embrace a new system, keeping heir lenses, buying more expensive XF lenses and bodies later on.
Fuji X is now a family of products addressing all budgets.

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jonikon
By jonikon (7 months ago)

I like Fujifilm's innovation approach with their sensors, but unfortunately Fujifilm missed the mark with the uninteresting XA-1. There is nothing new or special about this XA-1. No EVF and no on-sensor PDAF. There are so many other cameras that use this 16 MP sensor right now that I don't see a compelling reason to chose this one.

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Matt1645f4
By Matt1645f4 (7 months ago)

I can see your point, however that sensor is so well proven it would be wrong to dismiss it out of hand, the pixel war is are over really. at its price starting point that is one really tempting camera. i for one would consider it over the x-m1 just on cost as it wouldn't be for critical use but would make a great take anywhere set up.

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Richard Murdey
By Richard Murdey (7 months ago)

If the camera has no viewfinder, optical or otherwise, does the traditional rangefinder-esque design even make sense anymore?

To take photos with these cameras, you necessarily have to hold it out at arms length in front of you. Just seems to me that the ergonomics should be different somehow to make that position more natural and secure.

1 upvote
AndreaV
By AndreaV (7 months ago)

Is this rangefinder-esque? I think the xpro1 is... this looks to me more similar to a Sony NEX than to a Leica M.

1 upvote
white shadow
By white shadow (7 months ago)

This camera is a cost down version of the X-Pro1, not a replacement. This camera is meant for those who do not consider the viewfinder as important.

I think it will give those who are using a micro 4/3 camera without a viewfinder an opportunity to have better image quality due to bigger sensor size without having to spend too much.

The viewfinder is not a deal breaker but having an excellent 28mm lens or not is.

1 upvote
supeyugin1
By supeyugin1 (7 months ago)

Good camera, the price if finally reasonable. But who is gonna buy X-M1 now? Nobody. Now they need the same for X-E1 ($200 cheaper).

2 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (7 months ago)

7-bladed diaphragm. Not to minimize, but, clearly, with modern design, prototype and manufacturing systems, it seems easier to move new models out the door. And that's not to say that the quality and technical accomplishments isn't quite high.

1 upvote
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (7 months ago)

I personally think camera manufactures have gone bananas, suffering from "I also must have a huge lineup" inferiority complex. And then they blame smartphones for their lack of common sense.
I thought Pentax was last gone crazy with the K500, "produced" by dumbing down the good basic product of K30/K50, just to shave off $50-100 or something like that. And it saturates and complicated its own line not with no real choice at all.
Fuji is doing same: X-E1 was already a good value, but with X-M1 I already started rolling my eyes recognising the trend, and then ... tada!, an X-A1. More dumbing down of the same camera, same sensor, same everything.
Nikon is doing same with both APS-C and FF, Canon is doing same. Olympus does same, but from the bottom up. What is given to users is not a real, genuinely good choice, but rather an artificially fabricated and overproduced handful of compromises in a dumbed down same camera that loses all its value the moment it's shipped.

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ET2
By ET2 (7 months ago)

It's not the same. It's $200 cheaper than X-M1. That means anyone who couldn't afford it $800 might think again at $600. That's more money in Fuji pocket.

1 upvote
Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (7 months ago)

So, they have X-M1 and X-E1 and X-Pro1 to stay on the shelf, and all that exercise was necessary for Fuji to put more money in their pocket?
Riiiight ... And that also explains why the camera market is blooming right now, and all camera manufacturers are in the black. Fuji, Olympus, Nikon, etc. all rolling in money, can't make enough of cameras.
It also explains why Apple, with only one model of their camera, currently suffers terribly, leaving them the only choice of innovating and adding more to the camera package (as opposed to diluting or dumbing down). That investment of upping the game costs them lost sales, lost market, inability to be found on Flickr, and customers migrating to proper digital cameras in hordes.

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Matt1645f4
By Matt1645f4 (7 months ago)

Olympus is far from in the black they've just been bailed out by Sony, Fuji has reported a lost just recently, Pentax has changed hands twice in the last 4 years so i think your talking out of your backside.

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ET2
By ET2 (7 months ago)

You are posting nonsense, dude. Apple doesn't sell cameras. They sell cellphones. Yes Apple makes money with just one model, but so does Samsung with a dozen models. So what? The dozen versions doesn't seem to hurt Samsung profit.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (7 months ago)

Not the same sensor, it's a bayer 16mpx sensor, not the X-Trans., Fuji confuse people with the name X-A1. X-M1 have the same sensor than the X-E1, lack of EVF make camera cheaper.
Fuji have a good product line :
A1 : no x-trans sensor, no evf, AA filter quite cheap kit zoom lense
X-M1 : x-trans sensor, no evf, no AA filter
X-E1 : X-M1 with evf
X-PRO : old gran' father

16-50 : entry level kit zoom, good but not outstanding and cheapest
18-55 : top level kit-zoom, very good kit zoom, not cheap

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Matt1645f4
By Matt1645f4 (7 months ago)

The Fuji X10, X-s1 both use non xtrans sensors so its not based on that technology, i suspect based on their past naming styles (eg J series = Junior, A series= amateur, S= serious etc. this is what Fuji's own reps have explained as being the reason behind letter designations) so i suspect the X= eXpert.

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white shadow
By white shadow (7 months ago)

Isn't it good to have choices? Just buy the one which suit you best.

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flysurfer
By flysurfer (7 months ago)

I have uploaded a bunch of image samples to Flickr, including several RAWs processed with the new Lightroom 5.2 which already supports the X-A1. Here's a link to the set: http://www.flickr.com/photos/25805910@N05/sets/72157635090917991/

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thomasw333
By thomasw333 (7 months ago)

Nice, lose X-trans, gain EXR, should be an interesting camera. And Fuji can drop the price because they are not using X-trans. And it seems like Fuji charges more for the X-trans across the entire range, so as to make X-trans a premium product. Being Fuji and X-trans, Fuji has set their prices at a more premium level, they are working hard to be a more premium brand. The X-A1 helps sell more cameras, without ruining there premium X-trans push.

It is a good strategy for them, people start with the X-A1, and hopefully move up to higher end X-trans cameras.

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particleman78
By particleman78 (7 months ago)

Unfortunately, it isn't the return of EXR sensor and Fuji's pixel binning. It only has an EXR II processor, the fuji's x-trans sensor cameras had EXR processors too.

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thomasw333
By thomasw333 (7 months ago)

O that sucks, I remember reading some impressive results with cameras like the Fuji X10 and its EXR processor, and pixel binning. So it is funny, how many $100's more does it cost to make an X-trans sensor, since that is the only difference with this an the X-M1.
Like I said Fuji charges a lot more for X-trans, they are trying to be premium, regardless of costs.

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cassano
By cassano (7 months ago)

Fuji claimed EXR design is less useful at APS-C size. However, I own both S200EXR and X-m1. The dynamic range of S200EXR at base ISO blows away that of X-m1.

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spidermoon
By spidermoon (7 months ago)

it's a classic bayer sensor (maybe the old Sony one), not a new modern dual S/R sensor like the one in S3/S5. EXR is the name of the processor.

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DonSantos
By DonSantos (7 months ago)

For the x-a1 Fuji will reset their 2/3 stop bias present in the x-trans sensors in order to show x-trans superiority.

Dpreview iso comparisions will show that x-trans is 2/3 of stop better noise.
In actuality the bayer and x-trans will have similar high iso performance.

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (7 months ago)

LOL Ken Rockwell has done a review of the XA-1 and claims it has an X-trans sensor! He should have read the press release....

http://kenrockwell.com/fuji/x-a1.htm

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Robert111
By Robert111 (7 months ago)

I've followed Rockwell for years but he often shoots from the hip with his opinions like when he origunally blew off the X100 (which subsequently became his favorite everyday carry) and blew off the Sony RX1 without ever discovering all the external controls or how to adjust the white balance (which he certainly does on big Nikon and Canon DSLR cameras). Too bad, because his site does contain a lot of usefull information.

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Dimit
By Dimit (7 months ago)

Ken Rockwell site is far from being accountable! Hardly tries to impress and his opinion prooved to be several times excessively erroneous.Don't bother...

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Nabilon
By Nabilon (7 months ago)

@hugo: well, if you had read it properly you would have realized he doesn't claim that.

"The X-A1 has the same resolution, but doesn't claim to have the same voodoo sensor as the other cameras."

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Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

voodoo sensor, what a huge and compatible word for that sensor. One can say about X-trans all the good or all the bad, for me, it can't be in no way a replacement for the most fantastic sensor ever developed, the old Fuji super CCD with dual sized pixels. Unfortunately Fuji seems not to have found necessary to further develop that project which was, to my opinion, the sole real way to go and that all Fuji fans still wait for. A super ccd style sensor in FF, but, lets keep dreaming, companies do anyway not listen to us. Sony does it quiet often, and in most situations, but once realized, their pricing is such that none of those who asked for are able to pay anymore for it.

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Northgrove
By Northgrove (7 months ago)

"The XA-1 with the Fujifilm XC 50-230mm zoom lens is all you need!"

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xeriwthe
By xeriwthe (7 months ago)

marketing geniuses at fujifilm knew how to score some extra sales: bayer sensor x-mount camera to force IQ junkies unsatisfied with x-trans to buy another cam just for the bayer sensor!

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Hugo808
By Hugo808 (7 months ago)

Probably how they earn their pay and in this case they are right, I don't like X-trans pics, I think they look weird but the gallery here are the best I've seen, maybe I'm just getting used to it....

Had a go on an X pro and an XE -1 and didn't like the handling at all, a camera has to feel right and that's something a review will struggle to get across as it's so individual. But I really don't like the sound of a plastic version of the XE 1 as that felt flimsy enough as it was. And those EVF's urgh...

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justinwonnacott
By justinwonnacott (7 months ago)

The bayer samples at fujirumors x-a1 look excellent and very natural.

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smatty
By smatty (7 months ago)

Great!

Now that the extended bottom end of the Fuji X-Series line up is taken care of can we please get the X-Pro 2 now?

Pretty, please!!!

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DDWD10
By DDWD10 (7 months ago)

Some are speculating that we could see an X-E1 successor before the X-Pro1 successor.

Perhaps the X-Pro2 will use the new organic CMOS sensor developed by Fujifilm.

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justinwonnacott
By justinwonnacott (7 months ago)

i hope not.

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smatty
By smatty (7 months ago)

Does the organic CMOS sensor require feeding? ;-)

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AngryCorgi
By AngryCorgi (7 months ago)

Glad to see a conventional sensor option in the lineup. Will be nice to see some results from a good-old Bayer-filtered sensor. :)

3 upvotes
Robert111
By Robert111 (7 months ago)

Agree. I've never liked the colors or razor sharp look of the X-trans sensors.

3 upvotes
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (7 months ago)

This looks like a very nice addition to the Fuji X line, and a good way to expand their market appeal.

What I find interesting is how Olympus and Fuji have taken opposite directions with MILC cameras. Olympus started at the bottom, with relatively low featured and modest cameras, and worked their way up to weather sealed semi pro cameras and some really nice lenses. Fuji seems to be doing the reverse... starting at the top, then working their way down.

And both systems offer a lot for potential customers.

Meanwhile.... Canon is watching all this, scratching their heads, and wondering why their EOS-M was such a market failure....

15 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (7 months ago)

You definitely need more than one model, yet alone camera. Olympus now has 4 model lines; Pansonic 3 and Fuji 3-4.

1 upvote
white shadow
By white shadow (7 months ago)

Canon is just not serious enough to introduce a superior mirrorless camera. The EOS-M with all its obvious shortcoming is a non starter from the very beginning.

Now, they are having the 100D to try retaining those customers who may go for other brands.

1 upvote
Graham Hill
By Graham Hill (7 months ago)

Fujifilm, Panny, and Olympus are losing heaps of money (tens of millions every year), while Canon is pulling in millions every year.

1 upvote
Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

Eos M is a market failure, same as Nikon 1 system is a market failure, for the simple reason that both companies want to protect their DSLR market and fear that customers will step down to lighter mirrorless cameras with good potential, like Sony or Fuji's mirrorless systems. Unfortunately for them, this is what people do, going away from their brand to another one. Nikon 1 became a bit more popular when the V1 model, sold for 750+$ at base, became replaced and last units are sold around 350$. Despite this fact, it remains a small sensor camera, and together with RX100 and all 4/3 cameras, it can't equal the physical qualities of APS-C, same as APS-C can't equal the qualities of any FF sensor, despite all those formats make huge pictures.

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gefrorenezeit
By gefrorenezeit (7 months ago)

@Shamael: right, thats what is already happening. I use the X-Pro1 alongside my Canon 1DX. And for many purposes it has fully replaced the Canon (where bulk and weight is key). I stopped waiting for Canon to come around the corner with a good mirror less camera. Maybe in a few years. ;)

1 upvote
Marty4650
By Marty4650 (7 months ago)

The irony of all this is that BOTH Canon and Nikon have the talent and resources to own the MILC camera market, yet neither one has made a serious effort to do so. In both cases they regard these cameras as a supplement to their existing products, rather than a completely new market.

Panasonic, Olympus and Fuji may have no other choice, since they have no DSLRs to sell you. But they clearly take the MILC market a whole lot more seriously than Nikon or Canon do.

And Sony is a special case. They might be moving to MILC exclusively, as their DSLRs have already been discontinued, and they are talking about ending their DSLT line completely.

These are interesting times we live in.

0 upvotes
Jogger
By Jogger (7 months ago)

I've never considered Fuji to be premium.. they sell expensive cameras and lenses like other makes. But, its hardly a premium brand.

4 upvotes
Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (7 months ago)

Guess you've never tried Fuji glass now or in the past. They make some of the best lenses around.

13 upvotes
Gesture
By Gesture (7 months ago)

Interesting. In the modest point and shoot era, the Fuji cameras were lacking in build quality, functions but the lenses and sensors were good. The E900 is a great example of that.

0 upvotes
Simon Joinson
By Simon Joinson (7 months ago)

To be fair, the E series Finepix models were built to a (low) price - the F series were incredibly well built. Same as Canon with the A vs S series etc.

3 upvotes
Fingel
By Fingel (7 months ago)

Yes, the point and shoots were crap. They make excellent large format lenses and the medium format cameras and lenses are top notch.

1 upvote
JConrad
By JConrad (7 months ago)

All of the Fuji X lenses are really, really good. The 14/2.8 is the best ultra-wide lens I've ever used. Period (including several Canon Ls, the Panny 7-14, Zeiss Touit 12mm and more). The 35/1.4 and 60/2.4 are exceptional and the 55-200 is brilliant as well. Frankly, there isn't a bad lens in the lineup, and they all have a beautiful rendering with great bokeh and a wonderful contrast curve. Truly excellent lenses.

2 upvotes
Tom_A
By Tom_A (7 months ago)

Hardly a premium brand?

Look up the Hasselblad X-Pan, a cult camera if there ever was one. Still highly sought after, and in fact rebadged Fuji.

Fuji also makes the lenses for the Hasselblad H series.

Their (admittedly quirky) medium format cameras offer a true alternative while keeping very high image camera. I have a 6x4.5 and 6x9 Fuji - they are fabulous.

0 upvotes
white shadow
By white shadow (7 months ago)

I must agree with Fingel and Tom_A.

In the film era, Fuji made some very capable and portable medium format cameras. They were more than excellent. I just wish they could continue with those standards in the digital era.

Do you think we would get a chance to see a compact digital medium format camera from Fuji?

I would definitely welcome the day to come.

Meanwhile, Fuji is spending more time developing the Instant Film market for themselves, a very lucrative market with no competitor.

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justmeMN
By justmeMN (7 months ago)

I wouldn't worry about "brand dilution". Most people have never heard of Fuji brand cameras, so there is nothing to dilute. :-)

4 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (7 months ago)

because kids don't shoot film....

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Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (7 months ago)

Young people are picking up film more than older people. Another misconception.

5 upvotes
audijam
By audijam (7 months ago)

maybe i am the "young" people you are referring to...

0 upvotes
Dave Luttmann
By Dave Luttmann (7 months ago)

If you are....you sure havent been paying attention.

1 upvote
AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

Film is making a comeback. Once this digital thing blows over, people who are used to the instant gratification from digital cameras will go out and buy chemicals and developing tanks.

4 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

I wait for a enlarger that puts a digital shot in through usb, a soft on the PC to convert it to negative in a clean way and then be able to project it on paper like in ancient times. Such a system is on the market, unfortunately it works with a cellphone you put in the head, and that is for it's "phony" picture quality only. What gives film the disadvantage is the cost of the whole processing. If you shoot like a fool with digital, you throw away what you don't need, on a film camera, all you throw away costs money, and in many countries a 120 or 220 film roll is an object they have never seen.

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mpgxsvcd
By mpgxsvcd (7 months ago)

The Sony A3000 is making everyone rethink their price points.

4 upvotes
Matz03
By Matz03 (7 months ago)

not when you hold one and look through the terrible evf

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

Go to visual science lab and see what Tuck says about 3000 and he uses Sony gear.

0 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

Hope that Sony rethinks then quiet fast it's "presumed" price of 3000$ for the NEX FF body only that should be anounced on coming Sept 24. Sony want's to set trends and price dumps with it's low end crap, but once it has a button, or a function more, it's not payable anymore. The pricing of A99 body and RX1 is a simple good example for that. RX100/2 is another one where a 400$ worth camera is sold double price. If you can dump a NEX3N for 450$ you can sell the RX100 at same price as well, it has nothing more, maybe even some less.

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stuartgolden
By stuartgolden (7 months ago)

Shut The Front Door!! I hate when photo shop rumors are right.

3 upvotes
The Jacal
By The Jacal (7 months ago)

Well, I did say.... ;)

2 upvotes
rhlpetrus
By rhlpetrus (7 months ago)

I like the idea of a conventional sensor, it makes for easier use of RAW. I never liked the RAW performance of the new sensor system by Fuji.

2 upvotes
coso dp
By coso dp (7 months ago)

I just hope Canon is fast presenting its new Canon EOS M....

1 upvote
ManuelVilardeMacedo
By ManuelVilardeMacedo (7 months ago)

Does a budget body make sense in a system where the vast majority of the lenses are premium?

3 upvotes
rockjon
By rockjon (7 months ago)

I think that's why they released the cheaper zooms to go along with the camera. However, you do have a good point.

1 upvote
Fingel
By Fingel (7 months ago)

Sure it does. Bodies are disposable, lenses are an investment in the system. I've already been through 2 Nikon bodies since I started using digital 3 years ago, but I use my lenses from the early 1970 to this day on those bodies.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (7 months ago)

The point of the cheap body is to get the people to buy expensive lenses later on. The lenses are rarely much of an "investment" but they don't depreciate as quickly as the bodies.

0 upvotes
Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

with 100$ more in price, they could have given it the XE1 body with the VF on it. They do it with the X100 series and a fixed lens, where the Bayer sensor makes a huge job. Only bad point of those cameras is their excessive price.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

375g for the zoom this dark... APS-C mirrorless are simply not well fitted to tele lenses.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

The same body and the only difference is the sensor? And most probably, just the sensor color filter array? Does not sound like it is any difference in cost, more like artificial differentiation, and if true, makes X-M1 totally superfluous - just a waste of $200.

3 upvotes
peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

Specs on DPR are the same to the letter.

1 upvote
Bjrn SWE
By Bjrn SWE (7 months ago)

X-A1 body is plastic
X-M1 body is metal

0 upvotes
Samaistuin
By Samaistuin (7 months ago)

@Bjrn SWE
Where have you seen that the XA-1's body is plastic?

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Bjrn SWE
By Bjrn SWE (7 months ago)

@ Samaistuin
Eeh, um, I don't remember and I actually might be wrong about this. Read somewhere on the net that it's plastic... However, X-M1 has metal top and bottom, the rest of the body is plastic.

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Samaistuin
By Samaistuin (7 months ago)

@ Bjrn SWE
They would appear to have the same body materials, according to Rico Pfirstinger from Fujixspot (who stated he spent 6 weeks with a pre-prod X-A1): "There’s little difference between these cameras. They look very much the same, they offer the same buttons and controls, (...), the same build, material and size (...)."

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peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

They are both plastic. From DPR review of X-M1: "a small, lightweight plastic body".

0 upvotes
jwalker019
By jwalker019 (7 months ago)

Sounds like I'm in the minority, but Xtrans is the reason I bought my X-E1. An X-series camera without XTrans? Why?

10 upvotes
verheyph
By verheyph (7 months ago)

We are at least two in this minority. What is the future for X-tran ?

2 upvotes
sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (7 months ago)

To make a cheaper camera to get market share and volume. That's easier with an off the shelf sensor. The X-E1s/2, when it emerges, will have X-Trans

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Samaistuin
By Samaistuin (7 months ago)

Because mushy greens.

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

The quality of the pictures from the x-trans sensor was certainly a factor in my buying the XE-1. However, the trouble with lack of adobe support for the RAWs was just as much a disincentive for me! In the end it came down to the picture quality courtesy of the unbelievably good XF lenses...

As for the complaints on green, I just don't see it.

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Davidgilmour
By Davidgilmour (7 months ago)

Ever heard of the X-100?

1 upvote
Joe Talks Photo Gear
By Joe Talks Photo Gear (7 months ago)

Aside from price there is nothing about this camera that makes it worth buying when you have the X-E1. And don't tell me that the sensor is better...

0 upvotes
Revenant
By Revenant (7 months ago)

Why would you want this camera if you have the X-E1? It's like complaining that D3200 doesn't offer anything you don't get in the D7100. Totally different target users.

0 upvotes
pca7070
By pca7070 (7 months ago)

Good. X-trans images look soft and weird.

4 upvotes
Joe Talks Photo Gear
By Joe Talks Photo Gear (7 months ago)

In a line up of 10 images taken by 10 different sensors, including the X-trans, you would not be able to pick that one out. Fact.

5 upvotes
christiangrunercom
By christiangrunercom (7 months ago)

In 100% zoom, it's not a problem to pick out the X-trans shot. Both raw-conversions and camera jpegs have a distinct pattern.

5 upvotes
Tom_A
By Tom_A (7 months ago)

There is nothing soft about the pictures I make with the 35mm lens.
I usually put the saturation setting on Velvia. Only rarely I do use RAW as for most light situations the jpg will be very nice.

0 upvotes
Marvol
By Marvol (7 months ago)

Is it just me or is this camera just a straight-up head-to-head with the NEX-5 range of models? Nothing more, nothing less? I didn't do an exact count of specs but sensor size, MP, ISO range, kit lens specs, flippy screen, size, design philosophy, Wifi... all say "this is a camera just like the NEX-5".

So Fuji is making this a battle of sensor versus lenses and hope their lenses win?

2 upvotes
malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

If the new glass is anything like as good as the 18-55 kit lens on the XE-1, that could be all they need. Taking shots with the NEX-7 and NEX-6 (I was only interested in them until I finally decided to plump for the XE-1) was very uninspiring with the kit lenses, for me anyway. Lovely feel to the Sony cameras, but I just never liked the photographic results in terms of colour, grain and dynamic range. I always suspected there was a great camera fighting to get out.

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dbateman
By dbateman (7 months ago)

Fuji lenses do win. But the mistake is no EVF option. NEX-5 does have the option for an expensive but good EVF.

I would have hoped that now with 2 models Fuji would have worked out an external EVF! Maybe in the version 2 of these.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

"Is it just me or is this camera just a straight-up head-to-head with the NEX-5 range of models? Nothing more, nothing less?"

One control dial more. Built-in flash more (but weaker than the clip-on in NEX). Optional EVF less. Apps less. OSPDAF less. 10 fps less. ISO 12800, 25600 less. Compact powerzoom less. Digital zoom less. Sweep panorama less. Handheld twilight less. HDR less. Bigger, and weighs 54g more.
Does not seem to be competitive with NEX for a new system buyer.

1 upvote
particleman78
By particleman78 (7 months ago)

It does seem that way. The other advantage of the Fuji's are the better JPEG engine, and colors. But since a lot of the people interested in the X-A1 will be people who don't like the RAW hassles of X-trans. If they shoot RAW with the X-A1 Fuji's JPEG advantage becomes moot. Plus the current NEX-5 models the R & T have on sensor PDAF as well as a touchscreen and in the case of the R has a lower street price. Fuji glass is better though, and the Fuji 16-50 is better than the Sony kit lenses. So Fuji does appear to be counting on its higher quality lenses.

0 upvotes
malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

I recently bought an XE-1. It makes sense to me. I am concerned about the direction Fujifilm is taking with the X-A1 and X-M1 because these are far more ordinary cameras in how they work. The sensor is whatever is, but the important thing about choosing a Fuji is the handling. The new cameras both use a mode dial. I chose the X-E1 for two reasons: 1) it has an EVF and 2) specifically because it does not have a mode dial, and affords me aperture control and shutter control directly on the lens and body respectively. However, Fuji's new cameras have moved to the mode dial which means the lenses don't have an aperture control dial on them. It's cheaper of course, but you don't have such immediate control. I am concerned therefore that Fuji is retreating from its traditional control layout to the more modern (and for me, less intuitive) approach to what seems to be the norm, and therefore future lenses will all have to be controlled through body software. :(

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

I think the lack of an optional external EVF is a mistake. Given they were designing two cameras and they had such success with the X-series, particularly because of the VFs, it seems like an odd omission not to have the option.

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abortabort
By abortabort (7 months ago)

Considering they just released the 23mm with aperture dial and the 56mm will have one I don't see why you would think this is the case? Also this camera can still use the aperture dial on XF lenses so equipped. It is just the couple of cheaper XC lenses that don't have one to be a) cheap and b) supposedly more beginner friendly. The X10/20 and XF1 also don't have shutter dials on them - so enough of the doomsday spouting k?

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

Good point. I guess we'll have to see what the XE-1S will be like. I had been waiting for that to come out, hopefully with the changes made in the X100S, but I suspect what we'll see will be a mode dial. It's not really doomsday spouting (sorry if it came across that way), but it feels like Fuji established its credentials and is now moving to be more mainstream, which is a mistake because it alienates the current user base.

Considering the 23mm is really rather expensive and the 56mm will probably be the same sort of money (sadly), the least one would expect is the support of the bigger cameras. That's if the 56 ever sees the light of day of course...:)

Incidentally I think the new cameras are gorgeous to look at and a fine option for the customer, particularly upgraders, although I think the GX-7 will prove strong competition for the X-M1, even with its little sensor.

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Shamael
By Shamael (7 months ago)

Fuji always made special sensors, but x-trans is an ordinary sensor with a different filter array in fromt of it. Anyone can do that. Nothing in common with that amazing super ccd's they used once. To me, the further development of super CCD, more pixels, large size, was the way to go. At 1300 iso, that CDD was just great, better than most still are today. Imagine sensor progression in all those years, the super ccd was above almost all sensors at that time, and with actual development and knowledge, a new super ccd generation in small mirrorless bodies, how many of us just wait for that?

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

The Xtrans got rid of the AA filter at least, although many other cameras are being released without one nowadays, and that's with standard bayer, so one has to wonder if the AA filter was ever really necessary.

Of course, Leica use CCDs...

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Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (7 months ago)

The new Leica M has a CMOS sensor.

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Revenant
By Revenant (7 months ago)

This is not signalling a new direction for Fuji. They are just filling the vacant entry-level spots in their line-up. The mode dial and aperture control from the body are more familiar to beginners coming from compact cameras, than the enthusiast-oriented controls of the higher-end models.

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Tom_A
By Tom_A (7 months ago)

> I am concerned about the direction Fujifilm is taking ...

I also dearly love my XE-1 with 35mm. I don't use my big Nikon camera anymore, the Fuji is so nice to use with very good output.

In the case of the 2 cheaper cameras, they are aimad at a different audience than the XE1/XPro1. I wouldn't worry too much.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (7 months ago)

are you able with a quick glance
tell from this Corporate release
how this camera is different from its siblings ???

What art of communication is this...

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foto guy
By foto guy (7 months ago)

Different sensor...this camera doesn't have the X-trans type of sensor its siblings have. It has the Bayer type of sensor found in most digital cameras.

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dbateman
By dbateman (7 months ago)

Yes. I think its easy to tell all the differences.
X-A1, no EVF, Mode dial, Regular Bayer Sensor.
X-M1, no EVF, Mode dial, X-trans sensor.
X-E1, EVF, Classical exposure control, X-trans sensor.
X-pro, EVF/OVF, Classical exposure control, X-trans sensor.

How could you not see that!

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

@foto guy - the X100 was the first X-series camera which put Fuji back on the map and that didn't have an XTrans sensor.

It's not the sensor which makes an X-series, but the form factor and handling. These new cameras have the form factor but the handling is much more modern - they're very much more mainstream, and that's what makes me worry for the brand.

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calking
By calking (7 months ago)

Stop thinking these new models are "the evolution" of the brand and are instead consumer models and you might get it.

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focalphotography
By focalphotography (7 months ago)

Cheaper bodies will bring more lens development as Fuji will invest even more in their lens line up win win for everyone....

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Samaistuin
By Samaistuin (7 months ago)

Except if they end up developing more XC lenses than XF ones... as the former don't feature any aperture ring, they will be of no interest to me.

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chillgreg
By chillgreg (7 months ago)

This is a case of shareholder-driven management-driven-accountant-driven-marketing-driven brand dilution. Note the lack of a $500 Rolex or $15,000 BMW.

Ask Coca Cola what happens if you dilute your brand...

It won't bring them down, but apart from a (slight) better balance sheet, it won't be doing Fuji's carefully realised reposition and reputation much good either.

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JadedGamer
By JadedGamer (7 months ago)

This is what those that hoped the iPhone 5C would be cheap did not realize as well :)

2 upvotes
abortabort
By abortabort (7 months ago)

And yet they had an X10 and XF1 before they had an X-Pro1...

1 upvote
dbateman
By dbateman (7 months ago)

I don't think they are diluting the brand at all. But making it more accessible. Some people don't like the X-trans sensor as still has issues with Raw development. But they like the compact size and the lenses. If this model is popular, you might see traditional Bayer pattern in a better body, like an X-E. Would be nice if you could get an X-Eb (Same body but with bayer sensor instead of X-trans).

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Joe Talks Photo Gear
By Joe Talks Photo Gear (7 months ago)

Take no offense, Ron, but, only a few people care about the business thought process was.
Stay classy, Chillgreg.

1 upvote
peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

"Note the lack of a $500 Rolex or $15,000 BMW."

I remember 318ti...

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DDWD10
By DDWD10 (7 months ago)

Not to mention that bulky plastic chunk with a sagging lens barrel - the X-S1.

Products like the recent XF 23/1.4 show Fuji is committed to the higher end as well.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (7 months ago)

I'v seen at least one review (digital rev?) trashing the ergonomic of the X-M1

issues included how you have to reach over a control wheel to get to the shutter button and a touch thumb dial on the back that was too easy to easy to hit accidently.

Could any users of the X-M1 comment on how good/bad it is to handle?

Thanks!

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Der Steppenwolf
By Der Steppenwolf (7 months ago)

Digital Rev...seriously ? How can you form an opinion based on something that imbecile Kai says is beyond me. Their "reviews" are a joke, and not very good one either.
Which "review" did you like the best, when he painted D7000 pink? Or when he sets cameras on fire ?

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JDThomas
By JDThomas (7 months ago)

I'm glad I'm not the only one to find that hack Kai as a complete moron.

It's pretty apparent that these days most people don't care if you know anything about photography, but if you can entertain them. And then these same people go off spewing the complete nonsense of these clown reviewers as gospel.

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (7 months ago)

Regadless of the opinion of Kai just looking at the camera he has some valid points. You do need to reach over the control dial to get to the shutter button, an arangement I've never liked, and there is a thumb button situated right where you may want to place your thumb to hold the camera.

I'm interested in opinons of folks who have handled an X-M1. Your love of Kai is somewhat irrelvant..

Thanks!

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reginalddwight
By reginalddwight (7 months ago)

YouTube camera reviewers are rarely useful.

Many try and fail miserably to entertain...especially that annoying chap from Digital Rev.

Then there's this creepy guy with big hair who sniffs everything he touches.

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (7 months ago)

Ahhh Digitalrev... very entertaining but when the stars are aligned, they do sometimes do an actual review.

About that XM1 review, I honestly think that Kai is being anal about it. I was surprised when I got to test an XM1 at our local camera store since it is almost everything Digitalrev pointed out was not true and as far as I remember, they did not mention the awesome build quality only found on high end cameras since it has a magnesium alloy body.

I never did find the controls to be clumsy, I'm 6'1 and I can easily grip a basketball one handed easily and I never had problems with the back controls and seemed well spaced enough. It is either you are extremely clumsy or just anal to be troubled with it.

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tommy leong
By tommy leong (7 months ago)

i have totally STOPPED watching that Kai nonsense
for a long time

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (7 months ago)

I've never touched it but just looking at it, it looks very cramped for folks with bigger hands.

Just look at it, the way the shutter finger is completely covering the main control dial. Do you turn that dial with the shutter finger or do you slide your thumb over the thumb control dial to get to it?

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/fujifilm-x-m1/images/inhand2.jpg

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keeponkeepingon
By keeponkeepingon (7 months ago)

" the awesome build quality only found on high end cameras since it has a magnesium alloy body."

Fakuryu Are you sure you used an X-M1? It has a plastic, not magnesium allow body. There's like a metal part on top but most of the body is plastic.

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zoranT
By zoranT (7 months ago)

You guys sound like Germans – I mean the 'old' Germans. I am sure the Fuhrer also would not have accepted any kind of ease and humor in online camera reviews. Lighten up, it is only stupid gear for intelligent art.

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

I have occasionally tweaked the exp comp dial by mistake but only by one click and obviously if it doesn't look right in the VF or monitor then it shouldn't matter. Therefore a locked wheel would make more sense with it being right on the edge. However, that's not going to wash on the X-M1/X-A1 because the wheel isn't just for exp comp so you'll want to click it along quite a bit sometimes which would make a lock really annoying...

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fakuryu
By fakuryu (7 months ago)

@keeponkeepingon

The body is mostly plastic but there is magnesium here and there like the D7000/D7100

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JConrad
By JConrad (7 months ago)

I couldn't disagree more with Kai on those points. I have never, even once, accidentally changed the top dial while pressing the shutter, or changed the top dial while changing the rear dial. To do the latter requires a ridiculously stupid amount of extra thumb movement and an intention to hit the top dial. I find the ergonomics on the X-M1 to actually be exceptionally good for a small camera. I also have the X-E1, and while the X-E1 ergonomics are a little better, it's also not as responsive as the X-M1, so I end up shooting with both pretty equally.

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Francis Carver
By Francis Carver (7 months ago)

"The company has also announced the Fujinon XC 50-230mm F4.5-6.7 OIS."

Wow, a zoomie that can be opened up as bright as an F6.7 iris. Wow, the epitome of modern technology.

2 upvotes
Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (7 months ago)

Fuji releasing a cheaper and lighter alternative to their 55-200mm F3.5-4.8 lens? How dare they!

6 upvotes
Andy Westlake
By Andy Westlake (7 months ago)

Actually, it could be argued that this is the epitome of modern technology. Such a lens simply wouldn't work on an SLR, as the phase-detect AF would fail and the viewfinder image would be very dull. But on a mirrorless camera, it'll work much better (although low-light AF is unlikely to be brilliant).

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iudex
By iudex (7 months ago)

My Pentax DA 55-300 is also cheap (cheaper than this Fujinon) and lightweight, yet still faster (f4-5,8 and at 200mm still f4,5).

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Marvol
By Marvol (7 months ago)

As far as APS-C mirrorless goes this is pretty much par for the course for a cheap (and light, and relatively compact) consumer mid-range telezoom.

Sony's has a slightly shorter range and comes in at 55-210 f/4.5-6.3, virtually identical. Seems you can't beat the laws of physics whether you work for Sony or for Fuji.

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Marvol
By Marvol (7 months ago)

iudex: the Pentax you mention weighs around 450g and is currently retailing (Amazon) at around 280 GBP.

The Sony weighs 345g and is retailing at 220 GBP.

The introductory or MRSP of this Fuji lens is not particularly relevant to street prices of existing lenses.

Methinks you are comparing apples and oranges, and making a moot point in the process. Of course you can brighten up the lens by making it heavier and more expensive. Nobody is arguing about that.

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

When checking out the XE-1 I was shown the 55-200 and if anything that put me off rather than on, both for its size and weight. Amazing lens of course, but would I carry it around? Not sure. This new XC gives me an option, though I accept it's rather slow by Fuji standards. If it had been 55-150 f3.5-5.6, it would have been far more interesting.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (7 months ago)

Great Fuji needs the entry level in order to graze/educate the masses about their philosophy. I would like to see a comparison with the x-m1 soon.

2 upvotes
Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (7 months ago)

There is nothing of their philosophy on this camera.

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Dames01
By Dames01 (7 months ago)

This is not about philosophy, but about getting more people to buy into the Fuji X-mount. Developping new lenses is expensive developping a new body is not. The idea of a conventional bayer layout sensor into the x-system is that this will entice people who have been reluctant to go for Fuji due to the poor third party jpeg converters.

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D1N0
By D1N0 (7 months ago)

X-trans is not the only thing that defines Fuji :p And this camera looks exactly the same as the x-m1. It still has retro styling en the same ergonomics

2 upvotes
Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (7 months ago)

No X-Trans sensor, No EVF or hybrid VF, well, no VF at all, no aperture/shutter speed dials... Those are the things that even with third party software problems brought Fuji back and won them a firm place and recognition among the enthusiast and set them clearly apart from the competition. But while pretty this is just another generic me-too soulless mirrorless that happens to share the mount and I highly doubt the people that will be attracted to this will also be attracted to cameras like the X-Pro1, X-E1 or X100s and I can't see how this kind of customers will pick this camera over a Sony, a Canon or even a Samsung when there is absolutely nothing unique to it and the brand is even less known by most people. As many others have pointed out, this is just trying to milk the X cash cow by saturation at the risk of diluting the brand philosophy and perception. A waste of time and resources that will drain money from other projects.

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abortabort
By abortabort (7 months ago)

Lets see, X10, second 'X' camera, no shutter dial, no aperture ring. No EVF. Fuji must have diluted the 'X' brand before it even got started! Either that or it's all in your elitist head. XF1, no aperture, no shutter, mode dial, no VF... X-S1, no shutter dial, no aperture dial... X20... X-M1...

This is just as much an X camera as the rest of them. X is Fuji's more premium branding... Nothing more.

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Antonio Rojilla
By Antonio Rojilla (7 months ago)

Errr... The X10 is actually different from the competition! It stands out with its EXR sensor, the optical viewfinder or the bright manual zoom for example. This is just a soulless me-too average camera with a faux retro design and nothing compelling for the target market. Fuji create a niche and they are recognized for it, but it seems shareholders don't want to play niche and want to fight the big guys head to head. Well, good luck with that. But hey, the marketing experts are you all, and if you were in charge of Apple I'm sure you'd release a $100 Android iPhone 5b just to appeal to a large market. Well, you could learn a few things from Apple about brand dilution.

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Macx
By Macx (7 months ago)

Fujifilm keeps creating attractive cameras and lenses for their X-series in an impressive rate. I think the return to a conventional sensor array is probably wise, even if they lose a "unique feature" to the camera.

3 upvotes
Hugo808
By Hugo808 (7 months ago)

I actually prefer the look of bayer sensors over the X-trans. Pictures taken with them look weird to me for some reason.

4 upvotes
RStyga
By RStyga (7 months ago)

Thank you, Fujifilm! WHEN you develop the right RAW S/W for your X-Trans technology there will be no need for conventional sensors in your cameras. Good move.

2 upvotes
persiyan
By persiyan (7 months ago)

I don't know how close you've followed this but there have been no problems with RAW converters and their X-Trans sensors for a long ass time now.

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peevee1
By peevee1 (7 months ago)

So, does DxO support it now? ;)

1 upvote
RStyga
By RStyga (7 months ago)

Yes, the shockingly bad conversion issue has been significantly improved, but not resolved.

1 upvote
malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

Surely the support of the XTrans is just as much the 3rd Parties' fault as it is Fuji's? Can't really blame Fuji if the 3rd parties refuse to develop support for it.

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Jim in Hudson
By Jim in Hudson (7 months ago)

malteser01 -- are you sure you know who's refusing whom? Maybe the ball is in Fujifilm's court.

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malteser01
By malteser01 (7 months ago)

Jim, I can't see Fuji refusing to help somehow. Surely it's very much in Fuji's interests to have their products supported by the world's largest digital workflow engines? Do you really think they expect everyone to use Silkypix? Somehow I think not.

EDIT: I hope not anyway!

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calking
By calking (7 months ago)

You who still want to claim a lack of RAW support for the x-trans sensor among third party software are just using that as a lame excuse for something to blab about, because it isn't the case and hasn't been for a long time now. The term is called "rhetoric". It is fully supported by ACR, DxO, LR, PS, Capture 1, Iridient, Aperture, SilkyPix, and several other lesser names. Get off the soapbox.

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RStyga
By RStyga (7 months ago)

I'm afraid this is a discussion forum, so rhetoric is in order. Especially a founded one. Yes, RAW support is available now as you stated; however, it is not exactly up to par with the RAW support available for CFA-sensors; hopefully it's getting there. Unlike, for example, Foveon X3, X-Trans needs elaborate demosaicing algorithms, something that only relatively recently 3rd party S/W developers have come to commit to, and only given that, now, Fujifilm's camera series is large/significant enough to make a dent as a the market share. As for Fujifilm's own RAW support efforts... could have been better. And more timely.

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epozar
By epozar (7 months ago)

no evf :((

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le_alain
By le_alain (7 months ago)

It's another camera,
you have with EVF or OVF or OVF/EVF in the line-up .

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abortabort
By abortabort (7 months ago)

REALLY?! Oh my gosh you are right! I hadn't even noticed! I was totally expecting this ENTRY model that sits below the X-M1 that doesn't have one to have an EVF... How strange!

5 upvotes
SeeRoy
By SeeRoy (7 months ago)

Omit the lens and it will be even cheaper (and easier to use.)

2 upvotes
CollBaxter
By CollBaxter (7 months ago)

The Bayer sensor will also make this easier to integrate this camera in 3rd party software like LR and others. Also maybe out source the sensor.

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le_alain
By le_alain (7 months ago)

Hope to have an X-Pro2 with this sensor .... :)

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DanielFjall
By DanielFjall (7 months ago)

Hell no!

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (7 months ago)

LR has had good X-Trans support for months now

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le_alain
By le_alain (7 months ago)

Good ... ?
better as months before, but not as good as Fuji demosaics, and not as good as for support for other bayer's patterns

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RStyga
By RStyga (7 months ago)

Fujifilm had not resolved this in its own S/W; how do we expect 3rd party developers to do so?

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kff
By kff (7 months ago)

Is it really an economical way to develop that body with other type sensor ?

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

All off the shelf parts assembled in Thailand.

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Andy Crowe
By Andy Crowe (7 months ago)

There are a lot of people making APS Bayer sensors, it can't have been that hard to source one :)

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abortabort
By abortabort (7 months ago)

I think this would make a nice combo with 18mm f2

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

Or 23mm for 35mm equiv or my choice for street 27mm equiv to 40mm which I feel is a nice compromise between 35 and 50 for a walkabout street shooter. Plus that 27mm will make the smallest package together with X-A1 or X-M1.

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abortabort
By abortabort (7 months ago)

Oh definitely. But I would prefer the aperture ring of the 18mm, which is also quite small, plus the extra stop compared to the 27mm personally. But any of them would be good of course.

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

Rico over at Fuji rumors had a pre production camera for 6 weeks he has 75 jpegs for view over at Fuji Rumors by a link in his article on the camera plus lots of samples in the article.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (7 months ago)

I'm happy about this... as the Xtrans, as good as it may be for anti-aliasing, lacked fine detail when put under scrutiny (if you remember the landscape scenery comparison shots here - I think it was the compacts comparison if my memory is correct (x100s vs NikonA vs Ricoh GR)).

But I think I would get the body and one of their better lenses... the faster kit lens and the other good primes were the only reason I continued to eye Fuji in the first place (not that I dislike them, but there are plenty of other choices, but which all have slower f3.5 kit lenses - like this one - but Fuji's 18-55 f2.8 offered on their other models stood out from the crowd).

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (7 months ago)

I won't care Xtrans if there are 10 times more pixels.

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DanielFjall
By DanielFjall (7 months ago)

You like this speak always understand difficult x-trans!

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (7 months ago)

The same comparison (x-trans to bayer) would be the other way around if you ran it through Aperture (x-trans would be sharper). LR is still a bit soft in comparison to C1 and Aperture

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limlh
By limlh (7 months ago)

A sensible product differentiation for Fujifilm, offering a budget X-series that will compete against the Ricoh GR and Nikon A with the added advantage of interchangeable lens. It looks very nice, but with a Bayer sensor and AA filter, it does not interest me.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (7 months ago)

AA filter or not... go check out the comparison they did on it... and because of the large groupings of green pixels (not only that, but a higher count of green compared to bayer) it loses in fine detail when put under the loupe.

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Absolutic
By Absolutic (7 months ago)

Yep, Xtrams canot do green leaves in mid to background, we all know that, but to me personally, the strength of Xtrans is not in landscape shooting, but more in portrait photography, with its realistic skin colors, and ability to retain highlights in fine detail like blonde hair etc.... even in Jpeg. That is why I love XE1 for portrait photography. It does look from photos that Rico Pfeiizenger posted on flicker from XA1 that the 16MP Sony Bayer Sensor of XA1 can do greenery just fine. So one can buy XA1 for landscape and keep one of the XPRO1/E1/M1 for portraits and everything else.

2 upvotes
rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

If you don't want the Bayer sensor you buy the X trans in the X-M1 unless you buy Fovenon in DP Merrill.

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limlh
By limlh (7 months ago)

I have yet to see smearing in my landscape because I don't use ACR for raw conversion. Anyway, CS5 is my last version of photoshop.

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lazy lightning
By lazy lightning (7 months ago)

This XA-1 fits in a front pants pocket with lens attached? Impressive!

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sgoldswo
By sgoldswo (7 months ago)

The comparison is a bit meaningless if it doesn't factor in optimal RAW converters.... LR is just too soft to use for Fuji RAWs in my opinion

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (7 months ago)

Fuji exhausting itself and users with utterly modern concept of dumbing down of the same device for market saturation, while selling us apparently 'a retro-looking appeal'? A contradiction in its best.

So I guess there's be an X-B1, made of recycled biscuit tins and with EVF, but no back LCD?

And an X-C1 too, made out of recycled cardboard and with EVF but with no flash, flash shoe, and no mode dial?

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brendon1000
By brendon1000 (7 months ago)

This camera is basically there to lower the entry level barrier to the X system.

Almost every system out there has entry level models and higher end models so why not Fuji ?

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T3
By T3 (7 months ago)

You're being insanely ridiculous. The fact is, there are usually compromises that have to be made in order to meet a certain price point. But apparently, certain camera snobs live in a world where there is no such room for any compromise whatsoever, even if it means being able to offer a less expensive model to broaden a particular brand's appeal to a wider market. And when such a camera appears, they throw tantrums, whining about cameras "made of recycled biscuit tins" or "made out of recycled cardboard." You sound like a small child crying hysterically, who claims he's going to die, or is going to run away from home, if he doesn't get the toy he wants! Grow up. Fuji makes several camera models to choose from. If this one doesn't appeal to you, then maybe there's another one in their line that does appeal to you. That is, after all, why they offer *several* different models, in case you didn't know.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (7 months ago)

why even bother glorifying such babblings with an answer?

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Raist3d
By Raist3d (7 months ago)

Zvonimir - I wish you could be a bit more objective outside Pentax land. The same could be said about the Q and many colors. Come on man. I think it's completely fair of Fuji to do a lower entry model.

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ET2
By ET2 (7 months ago)

Well,. according to Zvonimir, best cameras on the market right now are Pentax Q, Q7, K01, Pentax MX1. And just by sheer luck they happen to be all Pentax branded.

3 upvotes
Mark Alan Thomas
By Mark Alan Thomas (7 months ago)

Adults are nothing more than children who no longer have to behave.

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Zvonimir Tosic
By Zvonimir Tosic (7 months ago)

Raist, I personally think Pentax is doing same nonsense with K500; dumbing down the same good basic product, to shave off $50-70 or something like that. And it saturates its own line. Fuji is doing same with this X-A1 — X-E1 was already good. Nikon is doing same, Canon is doing same. And then — digital camera market suffocates.

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kaffina
By kaffina (7 months ago)

No evf = no X-A1 for me. But anyway a beautiful camera and wish it had the option of a optional EVF.

3 upvotes
straylightrun
By straylightrun (7 months ago)

Not this again. That's because the X-A1 is not targeted at you. Go buy the X-E1 or X-Pro 1.

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rxbot
By rxbot (7 months ago)

New X-E2 or 1s should be announced in October it will have all the newest X trans related gear plus the built in EVF, of course it is probably $500 more.

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