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Dynamic range and Noise pages added to Sony RX1R Preview

By dpreview staff on Jul 4, 2013 at 20:00 GMT
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We're working on Sony's flagship compact camera, the 24MP RX1R, and as part of our usual testing we've updated our preview with noise and noise-reduction analysis, and our standard page looking at dynamic range. This is in addition to our studio comparison scene pages, and a real-world samples gallery showing just what the RX1R - which lacks an AA filter - can do. Click the links below to go to our updated preview.

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Total comments: 32
calking
By calking (9 months ago)

I think DP could have used something else as a better example of "compromise" than the link to The Onion's op-Ed on the supreme court ruling on gay marriage. Like, something having to do with photographic equipment, for example.

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Greynerd
By Greynerd (9 months ago)

Probably that little red R on the camera is in many ways cooler than the little red dot. Splashing out all that money on a common non U camera brand shows more style in many ways than buying a Leica. I think if I win the lottery this would be a tempting subtle way to show one's wealth to those that know. Having to post process all the moire out sounds boring but I suppose I can get someone to do that for me.

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samhain
By samhain (9 months ago)

I know this will probably fall on deaf ears, but:

I ask anyone who's intrested in these cameras to resist buying them- and instead send an email/Facebook/Twitter message to Sony- let them know that excluding a Viewfinder in a camera is NOT ok. They're doing this to save money & increase the profit margin(and not pass the savings on to the customer). These are cameras, not cellphones. It's not ok.
It's only a matter of time before other camera manufacturers look at what Sony is doing and say- " If Sony can get away with it, we can too). Think it won't happen? Wait and see...

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ET2
By ET2 (9 months ago)

Here comes the conspiracy nut cases....

There is no "conspiracy" to "not pass profits to customers". It is simply a matter of design decision. Add a built-in EVF at the cost of increasing the physical size of the camera (which will make the camera less desirable for some buyers), or make the EVF an external piece (which will make the camera less desirable for others) and keep the camera smaller/lighter.

Yeah, it's as simple as that, genius. There is no grand conspiracy.

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zodiacfml
By zodiacfml (9 months ago)

samhain is not really exact to what he's trying to say; as the viewfinder concern could mean two things. Is it excluding a built-in EVF or excluding the removal/external EVF?

anyway,the problem here is not Sony but their competition. there is nothing out there that is similar or near the RX1, and some people are willing to pay for that.

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MarkInSF
By MarkInSF (9 months ago)

If you need a vf, just don't buy one. Simple as that. Sony will get the message, and the people who are OK without a built-in vf can continue to buy this camera. Not every camera needs to be the same.

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DFPanno
By DFPanno (9 months ago)

I enjoy the fact that the EVF is hinged and that it is removeable when I don't need it. Many others feel the same way.

Perhaps a different camera for you?

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Kinematic Digit
By Kinematic Digit (9 months ago)

Sony invited me to a full day event to use this kit, and I shot a thousand photos with it in all sorts of cases.

http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=27604349@N03&q=RX1

The EVF and OVF are premium items, but the real beauty of this camera is that you can take that off to make it far more compact. I welcome that and don't think it's a good comparison to camera phones at all.

This isn't a fleecing of consumers. This camera is a premium item with amazing performance. The crazy $800 OVF seemed excessive to me, but after using it for a few hundred photos, I actually loved it, and if I was in the market for this kit, would buy it with that option instead of the EVF.

This camera isn't for everyone, but it's far more inexpensive than a Leica (easily by a third of the price), and personally, I'd pick this over that any day.

Compared to my X-Pro1 with a similar lens, it's a close comparison, but Full Frame, and higher megapixels, makes it worth the extra cost in comparison.

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Matt Random
By Matt Random (9 months ago)

I hope this means a firmware update for the RX1. I'd like to see faster startup time, much faster wake time, a fix for the shutter button power drain and tweaked AF.

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vime1971
By vime1971 (9 months ago)

Shutter button power drain?
What the hell are you talking about? I always leave my camera on even when traveling (I use the original Sony's leather jacket) and battery NEVER gets drain....

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Matt Random
By Matt Random (9 months ago)

I've read this elsewhere but haven't confirmed it. There are reports that having constant pressure on the shutter button (using one of those big button things and a case that is too small) will drain the battery even if the camera is off.

I figured I'd add it to my wish list in case it is a real issue. As you can see my list is quite short since I'm happy with my camera. I'd like to see a faster wake time since I have missed some shots due to this.

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Mapel
By Mapel (9 months ago)

I'm wainting for an rx10 - apsc version of this beauty :)

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calking
By calking (9 months ago)

Funny. Maybe camera manufacturers should just make the same models with every available sensor....oh wait. Then there'd be something else wrong or missing. There isn't likely to be a "rx10" with apsc. Frankly, the sensor in the RX1 is just fine for 99.99% of the posters in this forum, and for those with the money and who truly need more sensor there's the rx1r.

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HSway
By HSway (9 months ago)

Sony is a top innovator. This is one of the results. Their decisive sensor technologies are another and for a long time. the example of their RX 100 update is what I call The update. They are not alone it stands to reason but they really are a standout for me.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (9 months ago)

I can think of a list about 8 items long that would have made it a better update. Don't be so easily impressed when spending 3k on a camera- I say.

This isn't to say the RX1R isn't a nice camera as is, it certainly is, but as a successor, it could be improved upon quite a bit.

C

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HSway
By HSway (9 months ago)

Apart from the RX 100 update and from the other I mention I mean the RX1. I see the 'R' insignificant yet a nice version of the RX1.
Hynek

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alpha604
By alpha604 (9 months ago)

@cgarrard
The RX1R is not the replacement for the RX1.

It's funny but one of the biggest misconceptions people see to have is that the RX1R is the 'new' model... It isn't, it is simply a variation, very much in the same way that the D800 & D800e are not successor models.

The RX1 is barely in the market for 6 months. Expecting a host of improvements or a significant tech change inside the same model generation is shortsighted at best.

RX1R is a sign of options and choice for the demanding user, and the RX lineup will surely go beyond where we are now.

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yabokkie
By yabokkie (9 months ago)

we are all human. even the sensors made by Panasonic (replacing Kodak as the worst sensor maker) are not so bad. it's interesting that Panasonic can do fast readout for fast contrast AF while Sony failed to do the same with their industry leading column ADC.

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vime1971
By vime1971 (9 months ago)

Slow AF for RX1? It's not a sport/action camera! It perfectly does its job at a reasonable speed: it's not a Reflex. I never missed a moment because of its "slow" AF. Try the Fuji and THEN complain...

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MichaelKJ
By MichaelKJ (9 months ago)

"This highlight capability is paid for in the shadows, where the RX1R clips to black rather sooner than some of its rivals."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the graph would appear to indicate that the only camera that doesn't clip to black as soon as the RX1R is the D600.

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Barney Britton
By Barney Britton (9 months ago)

There are more cameras on heaven and earth, my dear Horatio, than the three we've picked in the default comparison window ;)

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unknown member
By (unknown member) (9 months ago)

You can't pick and compare Sigma's recent cameras that have far better image quality at lower ISOs (what most people shoot at) and at fraction of the price. Why is that?

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dynaxx
By dynaxx (9 months ago)

Correction Michael : the Pentax 645 knocks it into a cocked hat

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MichaelKJ
By MichaelKJ (9 months ago)

I stand corrected ;)
The 645 appears to be equal to the D800 & D600. Olympus E-M5 appears to be better at not clipping to black than all of those cameras. Am I missing something again (is gradation normal equivalent to DRO off & ADL off)?
Are there any cameras that beat the RX1R in terms of not clipping to white?

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Dave Oddie
By Dave Oddie (9 months ago)

"There are more cameras on heaven and earth, my dear Horatio, than the three we've picked in the default comparison window ;)"

How bloody patronising is that, wink or not! Out of order Barney Britton.

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calking
By calking (9 months ago)

Good lord. Grow a backbone. He simply says that there are more cameras to noodle with than the d600.

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dynaxx
By dynaxx (9 months ago)

not in the least patronising ; a timely and well phrased reminder for the brand-centric fanatics to look around a bit more at what's going on

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Digitall
By Digitall (9 months ago)

If the idea was previously buying this camera, okay, buy the RX1R(maybe), but if the idea was evolve of the previous model, it is better to be quiet and stay with the previous model.

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roomnoxii
By roomnoxii (9 months ago)

How dense can you be? It's been mentioned quite a few times that the RX1R is not a successor of the RX1, but rather a side-by-side, like the D800 and D800E.

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Eric Hensel
By Eric Hensel (9 months ago)

Only an idiot demeans the intelligence of a poster they don't know, roomnoxil.
See how that works?

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Digitall
By Digitall (9 months ago)

Nothing I said goes against that or going?, But there is always people who read the way gives them more interest. Are options, and having options, I would choose the latter model. And this is MY opinion. Do not put words that do not exist please.

I started this way: "If the idea was previously buying this camera..."

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roomnoxii
By roomnoxii (9 months ago)

I was looking for my comment, and realised i replied to the wrong place :|

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