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Adobe releases subscription-only Photoshop CC

By dpreview staff on Jun 18, 2013 at 13:02 GMT

Adobe has released the latest version of Photoshop: CC for 'Creative Cloud'. It's the first to be made available solely though the company's controversial subscription-only model, that requires users to pay an ongoing monthly charge of £17.58 / $19.99 for access to the software (as opposed to a one-off license fee). New features include a revised 'Smart Sharpen' function, a 'Camera Shake Reduction' filter, and the ability to apply Camera Raw edits as layers. The latest versions of other Creative Cloud apps such the video editor Premiere Pro are also now available to download.

Note that despite its name, Photoshop CC is not really cloud-based software. It's downloaded and installed locally on your computer, and all your files can be saved locally too. What it does offer is cloud-based storage for your files, so you can access them on multiple devices while on the move. And while many users have genuine concerns over the subscription model - and crucially the fact that the software will stop working if you don't pay your monthly subscription- the relatively low monthly fee does make Photoshop rather more accessible to new users on a budget.

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Gary Dean Mercer Clark
By Gary Dean Mercer Clark (10 months ago)

Why do I need to verify my subscription every 30 days? If I buy a years subscription up front---you mean to tell me that Adobe can't figure that I have purchased the right to use their software for a year?
New coveted bells and whistles that I just can't live with? LOL. There are plenty of third party photo editing programs that do a VERY good job.
I prefer to buy something--not rent it, just like I don't lease cars long term as well. Adobe can do whatever it wishes. It doesn't and will not affect my studio because we are moving away from photoshop anyway. Who cares? Photoshop is becoming irrelevant.

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

to annoy you... the pirates just use a crack and are done with it.

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Plastek
By Plastek (10 months ago)

And they will own it permanently instead of "till Adobe has it's servers turned on".

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WellyNZ
By WellyNZ (10 months ago)

Photoshop is becoming irrelevant? You may want that to be the case but it couldn't be further from the truth.

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oztraveller
By oztraveller (10 months ago)

Mr Adobe,
Please explain to me and my fellow Australians why you need to charge us twice the price that my photographer friends pay in the US..... Yes twice!
CC cost $10 US per month in America, Why????????????????????????????

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slncezgsi
By slncezgsi (10 months ago)

In Germany the CC is 25€ ($33) a month. Go figure!
:-\

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (10 months ago)

It's been pointed out repeatedly that Photoshop is not the only option. Those who don't like Adobe's market plan should go to another option. Freedom of choice and free market always makes that possible.

I personally enjoy the Creative Cloud method; it keeps my investment into these miraculous programs at a manageable price instead of forking out a fistful of dollars when I want to upgrade or buy something new.

But getting back to looking at this as a market and funding strategy, I think Adobe probably knows very well what it needs to do to continue to bring mind-blowing magic wands and put them into Photographers hands. The useful and miraculous tools that this Corporation have created were fantasies just 15 years ago, and each release brings something new of the same caliber. $19 a month is a bargain for magic wands. And if anyone cannot find a way to earn back $19 a month given the use of magic, perhaps they don't really need Photoshop.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

First earning is not everything.

Second, of course many have pointed out editing and raw extraction options that aren't PhotoShop CS.

Third, replacing things like Selective Colour in PhotoShop CS is difficult.

Fourth, not many people insist on using/having the latest tools in whatever software, eg PhotoShop, AutoCad etc. And many times the latest is just some excuse to sell (rent) a newer version--not always, but sometimes.

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rdc13
By rdc13 (10 months ago)

Not every update is worthwhile or usefull to everybody. But now you have no choice.

I understand the corporate world will be given the option to stay with cs6 indefinitely, and will sell them additional perpetual licenses if needed. The corp acct will also have a master IT account and transferable sub accounts. I've been wondering how they'd deal with this

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

Having used Photoshop since what seems like the beginning of time, I cannot really say I have witnessed any “mind-blowing magic wands” since version 3 when layers were first introduced. Since then there have been very useful additions such as editable text in version 5, and the patch tool in version 7, but in recent years its been more about tweaks or gimmicks that produce results that are inferior to those I would achieve using conventional methods, or plugins that are imitations of plugins that were already available from third parties. I think most recent versions have been more like point updates than major upgrades.

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (10 months ago)

@HowaboutRAW — We're in full agreement then about your First, as I think most people are. Earning is indeed, not everything.

Getting back to the actual subject, the point that dpreview put into the header up there needs to be repeated often. This market strategy does something fantastically beneficial, and that is allows brand new starting artists the ability to get their hands on Photoshop for a small monthly payment. That one factor should overshadow all of the adjustment problems for the rest of us. Oh how I remember having to buy a computer, and then think how this kind of software was like reaching for a star. This structure is like a miracle when you're in that situation. It's too bad that like all the rest of modern life, it will soon be taken for granted. I think I'll stop talking about this now and go find a promising artist to pay his 19 buck a month for. ... Something I couldn't have done before... handed someone PS and a good luck wish!

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Nothing stopping Adobe from doing 30 day trialware. Plenty of expensive software is demonstrated that way.

Then nothing stopping Adobe from doing subscriptions and purchases of perpetual licenses-. My CAD software started offering monthly rentals (note honest term) years ago (I checked it rents for 40 per month for my not top of their line 3D CAD software).

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

Yours Sincerely, Scott Kelby. If Adobe's subscription plan makes it easier for you to spread out your payments, you could put $30 a month in the bank and you'd be able to buy each incredibly wonderful update as they are released.

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photokandi
By photokandi (10 months ago)

What happends if your broadband goes down....Oh yeah you're screwed!

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (10 months ago)

It's still on your computer photokandi, it just needs verification every 30 days or something.

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photokandi
By photokandi (10 months ago)

Ok, that makes more sense.

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Rob
By Rob (10 months ago)

1. It will not stay at $20/month.
2. You will become a victim of perpetual payments. If you stop paying them everymonth, you won't be able to open that pdf image you took of your kids 2 years ago.
3. Not everyone wants to be a renter, making their landlords rich. Some prefer to own.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

PDF? There are many PDF readers, say Foxit.

Also there's software other than Adobe CC which opens jpegs, tiffs, psds, etc. Much of this is freeware.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

I think this is a generational concept. Younger people have no problem with buying each new iPhone and paying hundreds of dollars per year in data plan fees. Older people think of monthly fees being for items they could never afford to buy outright, like a house or a car.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

@AbrasiveReduces

Most young people also have big depth causing harm to the economy in the end.... The 2008 economical turndown was caused by people who couldn't afford their mortages anymore. The same will happen with young people that can't even get a mortgage due to their huge debts.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Just a Photographer:

"The 2008 economical turndown was caused by people who couldn't afford their mortages anymore. "

No it wasn't it was the credit default swaps sold by ibanks as a safe (false sense of insurance for "bonds") investment that was the major cause of the crash.

Fake insurance for garbage the banks said was high grade, and it's the banks' fault for selling these "bonds" backed by this idiotic concept known as the credit default swap--real insurance has to have actual cash on hand, but not here with these "derivatives". More sales of this garbage meant the banks had huge incentive to lend out more and more--they still do.

What you've described is such a small part of the problem that it's negligible. Too bad Clinton/Graham/Summers (now O) couldn't be bothered to regulate this shadow market.

Then in 2004 GWBush and friends massively decreased the percentage of cash/equity that ibanks had to have on hand to play in the market. There's another big cause of the mess.

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Rob
By Rob (10 months ago)

I meant PSD, as in those you edit and save in Photoshop format. With multiple layers, you do require PS to reopen and continue your work. I prefer to make a one-time purchase, pay the price, and then use whenever I want. Having to make payments every month in perpetuity in order to open/edit images years down the road does not sound like something to which I'd subscribe. I've checked the new trial version out, and it does not hold anything of interest. I suspect Adobe realizes that they have a mature product, and it will be harder coming up with new features to drive upgrades. So to keep the cashflow coming in, they decided to implement this subscription plan. Once you stop subscribing, you won't be able to work on your photos saved as PSD (Photoshop) format.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Rob-

Okay, but you just wrote "open" not edit, that and "PDF" lead me to believe you wanted a viewer.

As for opening PSD files, it can be done with other software, I'm pretty sure both the latest GIMP and Corel's Paintshop open PSD files, the latter I tested. I don't know if all of the layer separation is maintained. You can get the trialware of Paintshop (Windows only) and try it.

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Reg Natarajan
By Reg Natarajan (10 months ago)

I have a few thousand dollars in current cameras, and I've spent much more than that over the last twenty years. I'll bet most of you have, too. Why exactly are you all screaming about $20/mo like Adobe is killing your children? Take their eyes away from the viewfinder and photographers seem to lose all sense of perspective.

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

Did you keep your cameras when you had paid for them?

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Danny
By Danny (10 months ago)

Reg, Adobe must be thrilled to read they own your @ss as well.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Do you know the average income of any professional photographer in todays world?

Its a killing business already and those who in all honesty have bought Adobe's software over the last 10 years are now forced to use either 'old' software or will need to start using pirated versions.

You find that a fair deal - I am disgusted with Adobe's descision.

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

It's not just about the cost, it's about control. It's about Adobe being able to switch you off at any time for any reason (as in user agreement). It's about Adobe invading your privacy, harvesting information about your computer and installed software. Its about page after page of a EULA contract that, if you take the time to read it, basically says Adobe can do whatever it likes. Its about clauses like,

Customer agrees that, in addition to any license compliance checking performed by the Software, Adobe or its authorized representative have the right, no more than once every twelve (12) months, upon seven (7) business days’ prior notice to Customer, to inspect Customer’s records, systems, and facilities...

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Marvol
By Marvol (10 months ago)

If your camera manufacturer started charging everyone $100 per month, regardless of the current camera and lenses they had; and in return you were allowed/forced to only use the latest and most modern camera model but you would not own it - that would be equivalent to this business model.

Now I can see the D3 and 1D MkIV owners loving this - but not so much the people who currently own the entry level models, who don't want to schlepp a heavy FF kit around.

So that's why a lot of people are not so happy. Good to see you're OK though.

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Mrrowe8
By Mrrowe8 (10 months ago)

I think what bothers most of us , me included is that idea of ownership ... That said why not rent ur equipment .. Truthfully u really don't need 1000's of dollars worth if it , or why not rent ur camera as well? That way u never have an outdated model ? It's about we artist like to own because we feel we have control of /over our creative license in what we use and create and not b borrowing it .. Till we get out heads around that it will continue to have issues with

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Kiwiboy
By Kiwiboy (10 months ago)

Where did I say that I'd used the camera shake function??
Regarding my car, yes I do lease it as it make financial sense in my situation.
So nobody subscribes to sky or any other pay TV? Why's that OK?

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Roman_93
By Roman_93 (10 months ago)

You can buy the car in the end!
And TV entertainment is no monopol as photoshop is.

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jsam
By jsam (10 months ago)

Photoshop is not a monopoly.

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Gionni Dorelli
By Gionni Dorelli (10 months ago)

Well.... it is. If you have been using it professionally for more than 15 years, you know all the alternatives are a joke.
During the 90ies Adobe bought the only other competitive option which was Aldus Photostyler.
Don't tell me you would even touch Corel software....

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

@jsam
Adobe is the defacto standard - and you call that not a monopoly.
Thats your right to do so. Its a littlebit like Microsoft.

They own 90% of the market and then there is little room left for the others... Not a full monopoly indeed, but very close.

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LensBeginner
By LensBeginner (10 months ago)

Cars break down, software doesn't.
I could still buy cheap used computers 50 years from now and run PS CS6 on them when my last one breaks, while I can't see many cars still working after 50 years, not without spending a truckload of money in parts/repairs.

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

Check out the cars they drive in Cuba. Pre-1959 and absolutely no new parts available. No money, either. Just ingenuity.

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Zlik
By Zlik (10 months ago)

Is it still possible to buy the CS6 suite (and keep it for years without updating) ?

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

Barely- you will struggle to find the link for it.

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Kiwiboy
By Kiwiboy (10 months ago)

I'm guessing that no one here has a mobile phone subscription, watches sky TV or rents a house. Adobe aren't making you "rent" their software, if you don't want to don't do it. I don't have sky TV as I don't see the value, I'm a photographer and spending money on new technology is the new way of life. When I started you'd buy a Hasselblad and it would last you 25 years, now you need to update your camera every few years.
I downloaded Photoshop CC this morning from my Adobe subscription and have played with some of the new stuff and it's great!

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

I'm sorry. A good photographer should not have the need to play with it. Most of the new features are for bad or sloppy photographers. That's what PS is turning into: a toy.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

If you need a camera shake reduction tool - then you must be a pretty lousy photographer....

I am sorry, but making sure that you don't get any blurred images should belong to your basic photography skills.

So you rent all of this too?
- your computer
- your hard drives
- your nas
- your car
- your bike
- your wife...

If you think its normal to rent everything then you must be lost.... I'd rather own and make my own descisions on when its time to reinvest in something I need new.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

Actually. did you ever rent any software in your life???

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Zdman
By Zdman (10 months ago)

@Kiwiboy
You usually rent if you can't afford to buy and end up paying more over time. I'd rather own a house than rent one and mobile phone and TV subscriptions are for services not the use of an asset. You'll end up paying a alot more over time for PS as you could have gone years without needing to upgrade (which they don't like).

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Walter
By Walter (10 months ago)

I find the whole ownership thing curious....in the bigger picture we are only custodians ...we leave with nothing...nada...zip. What we leave behind is how nice we have been...or not. Nobody is going to be interested in our Photoshop.....they might be pleased to receive some great pictures that help to remember fond memories.

Camera shake or movement of subject at slow shutter speeds ..... ? Judging another on camera shake requires that you have never taken a blurred picture....

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Walter, nobody can receive our old Photoshop. We buy a license for ourselves that last until we die, but it is not transferable. If you download music from iTunes you're not supposed to be able to will it to anyone after you die although you can leave a CD to someone. For obvious reasons physical property is much easier to keep control over than digital property because that digital property can be directly tracked to one buyer. In the grand scheme you don't even exist, so why do you care about owning furniture or a car? I don't lease a car because at some point I want it to know I own it and that it can't be reposessed by the bank or the car dealership. Your deep philosophical argument about our life being made up of actions and people is all well and good for greeting cards, but while we ARE on this planet there are pesky considerations of what we are allowed to do. If you rent PS and then can't afford it one day you won't be able to treat your pictures as you see fit.

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Plastek
By Plastek (10 months ago)

madeinlisboa - many people did even without knowing that. For example Steam is a games rental platform despite of being advertised as a "shop".

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AbrasiveReducer
By AbrasiveReducer (10 months ago)

howardroark's comment above made my entire day. As my late father would have said about this pay every month scheme "You're only fooling yourself."

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Walter
By Walter (10 months ago)

A lot of people are predicting the demise of Adobe. I personally doubt they will ever go back to the "old' way. That would truly lead to their demise and would end up totally compromising a software which was always aimed at the professional/serious photographer. Letting it succumb to the $1.99 app world would not be good for anyone.

The new set up will be too expensive for many especially if you take into account the global nature of this internet forum...

I suspect Adobe recognise that to survive they will need to look at a smaller more lucrative professional market much like Hasselblad always has done. There will always be that high end market. Photoshop will get more and more expensive but don't be surprised if Adobe come out with a cheap version in the near future which will adequately suit the masses.

Hating Adobe is a waste of energy and will change nothing..... there is more to life.

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Raincheck
By Raincheck (10 months ago)

I don't agree with all of your predictions Walter, but your outlook and attitude are wise indeed. Thanks for posting a thought that seems to be in great need today.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

It's not about hating Adobe. Adobe will make its own business decisions, but those of us who are being overcharged for a service are more than willing to look elsewhere. If we wish for Adobe to learn its lesson and be forced to include us again then that is not hate. We want Adobe to quit pretending there is only one option possible and their intentions are not simply motivated by greed. Profit and greed are two very different things, Walter. You can softsoap and forgive and give the benefit of the doubt all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that for some of us Adobe is doubling the price of their product with zero added benefit. If you were starving and I let you pay for your groceries over the space of a year with some interest for my trouble that might be generous of me. If you aren't starving and I force you to pay over the space of a year and double the price of the food for my trouble, that's greed.

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Walter
By Walter (10 months ago)

At the moment I am finding Photoshop CC cheaper than upgrading under the old system which is what I would have done. I also get a free $100 a year website...yes it will probably go up some after a year but I am going to be optimistic and guess that not much will change price wise. Most things go up and I would expect that ...there is no question that some essential companies hold you to ransom....gas/electricity etc. With Photoshop we have choice with options and those options will be what keep Adobe in check. In time there will be lots of competition. For the next two years I am going to enjoy CC and relax. If I can no longer afford it I will move on and change my workflow. Certainly I have done that since my days of shooting 4x5 sheet film on my Arca Swiss which I keep...just to smell those wonderful leather bellows. I marvel at the quality but would not want to go back. These are exciting times at all levels of photography but I despair at the amount of people encouraging theft.

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Eamon Hickey
By Eamon Hickey (10 months ago)

@ Walter: "don't be surprised if Adobe come out with a cheap version in the near future"

It's amazing to me how many people don't get this simple idea. Adobe just might have a little plan to fill the hole for photographers that the CC model is creating. With, oh I don't know, something like Lightroom and maybe some as yet unannounced upgraded version of Elements or something similar, all still available for a competitive price on a license model that the market will be comfortable with. Who could imagine such a revolutionary idea?

CC is about the suite, not the individual programs. It's a much more compelling offer for people who use multiple apps -- some combination of Photoshop, InDesign, Illustrator, Premiere, After Effects, Dreamweaver et.al. every day in their jobs (and there are at least hundreds of thousands of those people). For other people, Adobe may have a different plan. (Disclaimer: I don't know, but it's an easy guess.)

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Walter, bully for you. If you upgraded every year, which most photographers have no need of, then you are their target audience. For those of us that wanted new features of kept up every other upgrade to avoid purchasing a brand new license at full price we are having the price doubled on us. You have rose colored glasses on if you think your subscription fee will stay the same and that is especially disturbing considering already doubling the cost on us. Gas and electricity IS NOT a rental, you are actually paying for material goods. If you stop using those things you may pay a minimum fee to maintain your connection, but you don't pay a flat rate no matter how much you use. It's like a cell phone company chargine you 25 cents to send a text...that' about 24.99999 cents more than it costs in data to send it. The markup with less and less service provided is at issue. You are exactly who Adobe loves, someone easily acclimated to their new overpriced rental scheme.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

"Wow, only $20 a month for PS!" For those of use who buy an upgrade for $200 every three years or so imagine what a deal it is to now pay $240 a year. Joy!!! What do we get? Features we don't need?! YES! After you figure in the original license at full price we're only pay 2X as much for a service we don't want or need! There aren't a lot of people encouraging theft here, but they know the youth of today and the only way to get money out of them is to make it easy to pay. When there was no good way to get music at a fair price in digital format there was a ton of piracy. iTunes started offering a huge catalog of music at a buck a popl and there were many people who saw an alternative and now there is a huge market for digital music. You don't back someone in a corner and say "you can either pay what I say at the end of a gun or walk away and get the same thing for free with very little chance of paying any legal consueqences" and expect a good outcome. We know this trick.

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JasperD
By JasperD (10 months ago)

By the time I run out of my CS6 ¨perpetual¨, I´m confident there will be something else available for me. It might even be free, as opposed to Adobe´s nonsense, rather sooner than later. Gimp comes to mind, together with some potential others who now could see even more incentives to try.

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Gionni Dorelli
By Gionni Dorelli (10 months ago)

What they should do, it is to allow users to keep the SW running without having to pay the subscription after 24 months worth of payments.

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Gionni Dorelli
By Gionni Dorelli (10 months ago)

They will crack this baby too. Do not worry.
It would be interesting to see how many long time paying customers (as i am) are happy to swallow a 75/100% price increase from what they were paying their perpetual licence upgrades.
I'm not happy for sure.

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Gabor Szantai
By Gabor Szantai (10 months ago)

Yesterday it had came out and the first update followed in a couple of hours.
My customers and work are important for me so I rather pay £18 per month than pray at Fortuna to not close the Photoshop randomly...

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

It was cracked immediately... just look for Adobe Photoshop CC 14.0 and behold...

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Gionni Dorelli
By Gionni Dorelli (10 months ago)

Sure Gabor, I have paid for it for about 15 years and I will keep doing for the same reason you mention and because they are pocket money. yet the pricing is not fair to old long term customers.
Some amateurs that were happy with paying 199 each upgrade every 24 months or thereabout, will not be happy with paying 480$ on the same period and not owning the SW.
those customers may "crack" under the pressure....

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Henry M. Hertz
By Henry M. Hertz (10 months ago)

crack took 5 hours to appear on the net.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Gabor:

But CS6 doesn't just stop working. Do you mean that you signed up for CC some time ago when it was first announced, why? And I didn't know that was possible say 5 weeks ago.

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Eddy M
By Eddy M (10 months ago)

Somebody, somewhere, will figure out how to keep it working even if the subscription isn't paid.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

Out of a million users, how many actually earn a healthy living from photography?
Because those are the users who's business model can justify paying monthly subscription fees to someone who's business model has become that.

Let us be generous, and say 10%. (and you all know that it is much less than that - just look at how many own Full Frame, FT, and larger, versus those who are on APSC, MFT, or Nikon1, that all use PS).

What if a camera maker decided to stop making cameras for the rest of us? That high-end space is very small. If adobe thinks their move will increase revenues for the shareholders, they have a hard wake up in store for them.
That is rather myopic of them... they seem out of touch with reality.

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Danny
By Danny (10 months ago)

Try to be a freelancer in these economic times, it's pretty hard. And this comes from a 'professional'. Advertising agencies are on extremely tight budgets and there are many fishes. Companies invest very little in advertising. To think I would pay a monthly fee to Adobe is just a big joke. Adobe launched their CC-plan in the hart of a global crisis, how stupid can you be? Professional or not, we keep on working with our old toys for a loooooong time, until someone else comes by with a better deal.

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Copyrightimage
By Copyrightimage (10 months ago)

Think your missing out by not renting Photoshop CC but do have Photoshop CS6?
http://www.copyrightimage.co.uk/2013/06/photoshop-cc-initial-review.html

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Sébastien Noir
By Sébastien Noir (10 months ago)

Great software, but I 'm not happy with an application that will disappear from my computer when I decide it's too expensive for me too keep (or when they decide it was to cheap, and push their price up...)

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carrigman
By carrigman (10 months ago)

They can keep it.

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markb3699
By markb3699 (10 months ago)

Boycott!

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dclivejazz
By dclivejazz (10 months ago)

I'm sticking with Adobe CC because, frankly, right now, it works for me. I use other Creative Suit programs along with Lightroom and Photoshop. So it's actually a good deal. But I can understand people's misgivings about having to rent something essential and eventually getting jacked up. Hopefully Adobe will back off of the subscription only model.

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Benarm
By Benarm (10 months ago)

beginning of the end for Photoshop

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B1ackhat
By B1ackhat (10 months ago)

F*** you Adobe. I'll take my business elsewhere.

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photo_rb
By photo_rb (10 months ago)

Does anyone know if there are any significant difference between Photoshop CS6 and Photoshop CC? I am wondering if any new features such as "anti-shake" have been added yet.

Oops, I don't know how I missed this in the article...sorry.

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

Yes, Bridge is now a separate download, and no longer has an Output module etc.

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Andystack
By Andystack (10 months ago)

Well, adobes stock spiked up dramatically today in after hours trading on news that cc sales are up 20%, welcome to the future.

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Photomonkey
By Photomonkey (10 months ago)

That and Adobe's earnings will determine if the move to the subscription model was the correct one.
I find it astonishing that anybody really thinks that contemporary American management theory includes squishy notions of client dissatisfaction that cannot be papered over by PR.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

You can make numbers say _anything_!
20% of what? 20% more than next to nothing isn't impressive, as CC was just launched.
Rather, only 20% increase in the CC product is rather dismal! Sales of CC should be doubling, quadrupling, from month to month, as they replace sales of PS.
Some of management may already be starting to get fired...

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

And then they ended with 0.1% under opening.

So yes they soared for just 2 hours then they plunged again.
This was just Adobe trying to get their stock prices up again.

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Andystack
By Andystack (10 months ago)

Well

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OvinceZ
By OvinceZ (10 months ago)

I wonder how many people clicked for more details on the CC deal?

Lightroom 5 is something I will get. So those buying or upgrading will offset countless others not interested in the exciting CC offer. No thanks here.

People will pay for reasonably priced software. Otherwise, they will look for a way to get it cheaper or look for alternatives.

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eyedo
By eyedo (10 months ago)

No subscriptions.I'm using Lightroom Capture One and Gimp.
CS6 is on my system but when that no longer works I will not go subscription.

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DS Hendry
By DS Hendry (10 months ago)

Why are we in the UK paying significantly more than US. $19.99 at current exchange rate of $1.56 to £1.00 = £12.81
38% more expensive in UK. Do Adobe think we are stupid?

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caver3d
By caver3d (10 months ago)

It's called VAT. You get free health care. Stop complaining.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

This has NOTHING to do with VAT!
But with protectionism of their home market.

Nowhere in the world 200% VAT is added

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

Oh, do Adobe provide our healthcare now, that is scary.

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Leon V
By Leon V (10 months ago)

My solution. I use PS CS6 for photography (use camera raw first to develop raw files, then PS for composites, masking, etc.), painting, and illustration. PS CS6 has everything I need. For me very little could be added to the program that would be useful. Just look at the list of things that PS CC has added since PS CS6, very little, no use to me.

However, there are new features in Camera Raw which I could use. But guess what, these features are in Lightroom 5!!! You now know where I am headed. Continue using PS CS6 and use Lightroom's Develop Module (which is camera raw) to develop my Nikon photo raw files. I will continue down this path until Adobe limits Lightroom to subscription only, then I'll stop with the last Lightroom program on disk.

But I'll make sure each new Lightroom version's Develop Module uses needed (my needs) improvements in Camera Raw in future PS CC releases, if not good bye Adobe.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Quote: "I use PS CS6 for photography (use camera raw first to develop raw files, then PS for composites, masking, etc.), painting, and illustration."

Okay, but LR could become subscription, say with V6.

Anyhow Bridge is kinda of helpful to have even if one uses the not better LR as an organizer. But then Bridge CS6 won't support raw files from new cameras in the near future.

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G  K
By G K (10 months ago)

Adobe is too full of itself. If my grandfather were alive he would probably tell them what he once told me, "fill a bucket full of water, plunge your fist into the bucket and quickly jerk it out, now notice the size of the hole you left in the water".

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RichPate
By RichPate (10 months ago)

The real issue with CC is not that millions of hobbiest to semi-pro photographers are outraged and saying "NO" to subscribing. It's Adobe saying "NO" to us, "we don't want your business," by making Photoshop up to 200% more expensive and leaving you with nothing if you ever stop your monthly payments.

It's time to find a company and product that says, "YES, we want your business." A very viable market has just been created. And where there is a new market, there will eventually be new products.

Photoshop CS6 has a lot of life left in it for me to wait for the market to answer this huge consumer demand that Adobe has just created.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Sure PhotoShop CS6 has plenty of life. But the real issue is that people will now seek out different raw extraction software (eg CaptureOne or PhotoNinja) to replace ACR.

If you have Bridge (comes with PhotoShop) why bother with LR, unless one needs a resource hog to justify new system purchases to a boss?

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thx1138
By thx1138 (10 months ago)

Quote - "the relatively low monthly fee does make Photoshop rather more accessible to new users on a budget"

Sorry are you guys smoking crack? Seriously calling this a modest fee is just insane. That's for a single product and the price can go up as many times as they like knowing they have you over a barrel. You can pay them thousands of dollars and still end up with non-functioning software.

CS6 will be my last Photoshop upgrade and I hope plenty of other companies seize this opportunity to break the Adobe monopoly and give us choice, real choice.

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Matthew Blumenthal
By Matthew Blumenthal (10 months ago)

It's not low at all. High priced as a matter of fact. That IS the major complaint. The heck with them.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Highish price and also stops working if you don't pay. It's that second part, the stops working, that's the much bigger problem for many than the $240 per year.

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dpalugyay
By dpalugyay (10 months ago)

Suck it, Adobe.

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mike earussi
By mike earussi (10 months ago)

BFD.

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dylanbarnhart
By dylanbarnhart (10 months ago)

Sad. Usually we would wonder how well 'Camera Shake Reduction' filter works.

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Horshack
By Horshack (10 months ago)

Adobe should call the feature "customer shakedown" instead. A bit more accurate.

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Roger Nordin
By Roger Nordin (10 months ago)

I am pretty sure that Focus Magic (availaböe as a 64 bit plugin) does a better job anyways, at both removing camera or motion blur, as well as fixing out of focus images!

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Who needs camera shake reduction?

Increase your ISO and shutterspeed and you'll never need this function.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

Right. The more new features PS has, the sloppier photographers get. Good photographers don't need PS tricks to correct their failure as photographers.

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Jeff Greenberg
By Jeff Greenberg (10 months ago)

If it allows:
a. month to month subscription
b. use on more than one laptop
c. further processing via earlier CS#s
then YES to once or twice yearly.

Otherwise, no, NEVER.

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rarufu
By rarufu (10 months ago)

Photoshop for Hobyists
-----------------------------
25 € per month = 300 € per year
1200 € in 4 years
and at the end they have NOTHING, this is the big difference - NOTHING - right ?

CC Suite for students (can they get PS alone ?)
----------------------------
Year 1 = 12 * 19,99 = 240 €
Year 2->4 = 36 * 25 = 900 € (forseeable) or even higher....
4 years = 1140 €
and at the end they have NOTHING

What a phantastic new offer !

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philbb
By philbb (10 months ago)

In the unlikely event that Adobe might actually be monitoring some feedback I'll add mine.

I have no intention of buying CC ;-
Too expensive for me over the longer term & who knows what will happen in year 2 onwards.
Adobe's £ to $ rate discriminates against UK users.

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GuyMcKie
By GuyMcKie (10 months ago)

Monthly price for a year subscription in Belgium is 61,49 euro! 737,88 euro for a year, or 980 us dollar.

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locke_fc
By locke_fc (10 months ago)

Yes, same outrageous price in Spain. They must be smoking something pretty strong if they think they will get many paying customers at that price. What an incredibly short-sighted, silly move.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Interesting to see these figures from Adobe today:

"Adobe Systems Inc. on Tuesday reported a fiscal second-quarter profit of $76.55 million, or 15 cents a share, compared with a profit of $223.88 million, or 45 cents a share, for the year-earlier period."

If this trend continues over the next month or half year to come Adobe will be in BIG troubles with their shareholders. Sure they have made a profit, but that profit is falling quite quickly compared to the same period last year.

It will be interesting to see if people are willing to adopt to Adobe's forced cloud model.

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richardginn
By richardginn (10 months ago)

Well Adobe now says they have 700K subscribers to the creative cloud.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/18/adobe-q2-2013-earnings/

The did make more profit than Q1 though

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

True, but still stock fell by 0.1 percent today after an initial rise of 4%. But you are right if you say its still too early to tell.

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Walter
By Walter (10 months ago)

Curious if they would expect fluctuations with a higher profit margin when new products launch..have you checked out previous years? Perhaps the new system will make for a more even profit year to year?

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

IF THE COMPANY DOES DOWN AFTER YOU'VE COMMITTED TO THE CLOUD, WHAT THEN?

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

Presumably their earnings are bound to tumble for a few years- even if everyone who would have purchased an upgrade to CS7 (at say £200) joined CC it would take quite a while to get the same cash back from them with a rental scheme. If plenty of those upgraders dont upgrade then they rely on new people joining CC - so in fact they arent going for the big fish, they are relying on getting enough nibbles from the small ones. Dangerous game if you ask me.

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Ray_man
By Ray_man (10 months ago)

Adobe is creating a market opening for other vendors who offer traditional license models by moving into the subscription only model. Maybe its time to go work for one of those software vendors and get stock grants /options...
.

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Just a Photographer
By Just a Photographer (10 months ago)

Better to say NO as a consumer to this trend and make these companies clear that this is just a bridge too far by not accepting this business model.

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AshMills
By AshMills (10 months ago)

Talking of Bridges- note that Bridge CC currently lacks many Bridge CS6 features...

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VadymA
By VadymA (10 months ago)

Nowadays the price should be no more than $1.99/month with occasional promo offers of $0.99 and a free monthly trial.

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scrup
By scrup (10 months ago)

Do you like working for peanuts?

Honestly people want the best but don't want to pay for it.
There are alternatives check out open source. You get what you pay for!

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graybalanced
By graybalanced (10 months ago)

I'm no fan of the Cloud, and I think it costs too much, but posts like that just make photographers look like ungrateful cheapskates with no business sense.

Are you serious? You think the entire Creative Suite, which major studios use for million-dollar projects because there is no good alternative, should cost less than one cup of coffee per month?

You seriously think it should cost less than 1/4 off a Netflix subscription? Less than iTunes Match ($25/year)? What did you pay for your camera and lens?

Please don't tell me you agree when your clients come up to you and say you shouldn't be selling your photos for more than $5 because that's what it costs on microstock and besides, their uncle can shoot it with his new DSLR and kit lens.

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VadymA
By VadymA (10 months ago)

Scrup: I would love working for peanuts if I get millions of peanuts a month. Don't you think that at $1.99/month they might get ten times bigger customer base? I think it's quite possible.
GrayBal: I am no saying the entire CS should be 1.99/month; but maybe this should be a starting point with the ability to buy adds-on for extra. Maybe that's what they will do eventually; which only proves my point.

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Timmbits
By Timmbits (10 months ago)

I think that the problem for most, is that they don't earn a living with it. And those that do, feel the pinch and competition of royalty-free images, online image banks, the sheer volume of stuff available for cheap on the internet...
Some photographers earn a very good living, but it's the tip of the pyramid. If Adobe thinks that 100% of their users make enough money with photography to justify a subscription model, they are committing a gross miscalculation (or put less politely, they may even have their heads up their @sses).

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HawaiiVolcanoes
By HawaiiVolcanoes (10 months ago)

While Adobe is trying to figure out how to get it's PR Spin straightened out...understand that Photoshop CC {k} is now easily available on the Web...if you don't know how to get it..ask a teenage friend.

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cknapp61
By cknapp61 (10 months ago)

Due to Adobe's recent announcement, I searched for alternatives, this is my new workflow, mostly to spite Adobe:

Thumbs Plus by Cerious Software (long time user)
SageLight Photo Editor (never heard of it until a month ago)
Tiffen DFX (longtime user)
Perfect B&W by OnOnesoftware (new user)
Perfect effect by OnOneSoftware (new user)
GIMP (the PhotoShop version, just began testing it)

I downloaded and tried Corel's PSP Pro X5, used it a long time ago when it was owned by JASC. The new version seemed slow and unstable on my quad-core desktop, but I suspect they will be motivated to make improvements.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

Cerious Software's Thumbs extracts raws? And does it as well as C1 or ACR?

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BJN
By BJN (10 months ago)

Good luck with that.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

BJN-

Right, not likely, hence my use of question marks.

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

cknapp61:

So that Thumbs Plus (by Cerious) is just an organizer which doesn't read many raw formats (eg Panasonic LX5 raws), and doesn't do extraction. So who cares. PhotoMechanic (Camera Bits) at least reads most raw formats, no not Sigma Foveon files.

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simmybear31
By simmybear31 (9 months ago)

I tried to buy a code for Sagelight and ended up $39.95 out of pocket cause I never got an unlock code- don't touch it with a bargepole!

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Al Valentino
By Al Valentino (10 months ago)

I am a Adobe CS6/Bridge user and the other day I purchased Capture One 7 Express for $50 (50% off sale), mostly for my Fuji X-trans files. The difference is tangible. Not only do I prefer C1 over ACR for both my Fuji and Nikon conversions, the price is just that good.

So now I can do my raw work with C1 and export tiffs to CS6 for local adjustments and Topaz and Nik plugins. I do not see much reason to upgrade photoshop anymore, the difference since CS5 is negligible for my use to say nothing of the concern I had about monthly subscriptions to rent the software forever.

With the direction adobe is moving they just lost a long time customer of almost 10 years. What are they thinking!!!!

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ExaktaFanUK
By ExaktaFanUK (10 months ago)

The monthly subscription may look low in comparison with outright purchase at the (old) full price until you mutiply by 12 to get the annual cost and take into account that it has to be paid year in, year out. That may nit be feasible in some cases; e.g. for an amateur photographer who retires on a pension that is half prior earnings and could cope without the latest software, or becomes unemployed.

It really is regrettable that there is no option to buy permanent rights to use the software without upgrading.

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xlynx9
By xlynx9 (10 months ago)

"Relatively low" ... compared to what?
In terms of desktop software, $1000 for 4 years is bloody expensive!

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

OMG. CC is already out, not by subscription, if you know what I mean. They are sinking faster than I thought.

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leebee
By leebee (10 months ago)

This is going to be a hacker's field day. Adobe said that one reason for CC was to cut down on piracy. Good luck with that.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (10 months ago)

Actually leebee Adobe did not say that at all.

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madeinlisboa
By madeinlisboa (10 months ago)

Yes they did.

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Eamon Hickey
By Eamon Hickey (10 months ago)

Unless you can cite a source, Stu 5's comment stands. Adobe has actually said that the Creative Cloud will not affect the piracy situation. That's obviously the case and nobody would know that better than Adobe.

Some journalists and commentators made the assumption that CC was partly an anti-piracy measure and reported that, but they were a little too far over their skis, as the saying goes. Adobe, as far as I know, never made that claim.

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simmybear31
By simmybear31 (9 months ago)

Of course it won't stop piracy cause the guys who crack code also write half the code. A frustrated pirate will not add a $1 to a revenue line because you make life more difficult for them.

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bloosqr
By bloosqr (10 months ago)

Adobe has chosen the wrong subscription model honestly. There is nothing wrong with subscription models in certain cases but it needs to be catered to the right audience. Instead of selling subscriptions they should sell support along with free upgrades for their corporate customers as 20*12 = 240 a year. This is cheap for a corporate customer. If they were smart they would also split photoshop into photoshop commercial, and photoshop personal, with the condition the later being sold at say $250 or so and the former sold at their current prices (the stipulation being personal can't be used for commercial work)

This is exactly Wolfram's scheme for Mathematica. Mathematica 9 base license is about $2000. Their corporate support plan with free upgrades is about $350 a year (which is fine for corporations using their software) . They have additionally doled out a personal version literally for hobbyists which is $249, which is perfectly reasonable for what mathematica does.

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razadaz
By razadaz (10 months ago)

There are many alternative solutions Adobe could have offered, but I don't think they are interested. They seem to want to scale down their operation to a small number of programmers keeping applications up to date, no production or shipping costs, just servers running. In short, maximum profit for minimal effort and expenditure. From their point of view the loss of a few thousand customers is a price worth paying.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

Adobe should realize that if they have a large base of home users that start young those people will take their preferences into the workforce. In a few years when nobody learned PS as a kid they'll push their department to adopt other software they are familiar with. Adobe will become one of the relics some companies still use strictly out of habit and relegated to the old-timers who refuse to change.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (10 months ago)

That may be true about losing a few thousand customers intially, but those few thousand are going to rip into adobe every chance they get... how many thousands of people will they not recommend Adobe too, and how many of those will tell others, etc. Never ever underestimate word of mouth advertising.

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Stu 5
By Stu 5 (10 months ago)

Or howardroark they don't get a job in the first place as they don't know how to use Photoshop. If the employer uses Photoshop and the person applying for the job does not then they simple will not get a job offer.

A lot of students seem to love CC as they prefer the monthly payments as it keep their outgoings down. Plus the parents like it as they don't have to pay out so much when their child is studying. If anything this will increase the amount of new users coming into the industry. With the lower start up cost not being able to use Photoshop will not be acceptable.

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howardroark
By howardroark (10 months ago)

A lot of students won't pay a dime for PS CC if you catch my drift. Let's just wait and see if small or large firms keep using Photoshop and then if the demand for students to learn it is still there. Whether someone knows how to use PS or not does not necessarily make that their preference. If those students and parents who do pay feel fleeced when they suddenly see that monthly payment as an unnecessary or unaffordable luxury, educational concerns may give way to living indoors with indoor plumbing and food....or the huge cost of tuition, room, and board. I know a lot of parents who don't want a monthly payment to keep up with when they can put the cost of a real software license on the kid's loan and let him use his future income to cover it.

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Bill Bentley
By Bill Bentley (10 months ago)

@Stu5. I purchased the entire Creative Suite 5.5 (academic) for $179 for my son when Adobe offered it up just before they released v6. What was that, like 18+ months ago? I'll take that over the subscription model 8 days a week. Or should I say 13 months a year. ;-)

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HowaboutRAW
By HowaboutRAW (10 months ago)

bloosqr:

I'm pretty sure that's a limited version of Mathmatica for $250, not much more than basic highschool and some college math. So not really a different method of selling the same software.

In other news, there be PhotoShop Elements.

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cgarrard
By cgarrard (10 months ago)

I'll never advertise, recommend, or endorse this product - ever. Suck you in and keep you in it will (yoda speak).

C

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